@@pathutchison9866 yea, you're racist if you like or admire things that resembles anything the Germans ever did in the 1940s, so anything that starts with "the final" is gonna have to never be acknowledged ever again.
Peste guess I’m racist because I admire how the Germans managed to fix a major economic depression within their country that was causing mass poverty and hunger.
Trade and commerce and great and I don't believe the Paletine hill's location was ever used to any great effect, but Remus bro did you seriously expect the god of war to be like "forget the military thing, I'm more of a businessman."
Romulus: kill his brother to have his city built on Palatine hill instead of Aventine hill. Romulus's successors: Expand the city to cover the seven hills including Aventine. Yeah, that fight was totaly worthy :D
Besides, once the gods got involved, it _was_ important. Misinterpreting the gods' will would result in disaster; every myth at least touches on this sort of theme.
@@PrajnaIsPrajna-exceptPrajna Disagreement over construction was really just a metaphor or beginning. What matters is the resulting creation of two conflicting nations that share significant portions of identity-defining origins and traditions while differing in overarching vision of society. I think this is a very common source of conflict throughout history and across cultures. Look at what happens between Ukraine and Russia these days.
SPOILER ALERT: Julius Caesar was murdered outside the pomerium. There was like a special gathering hall for the senate outside the pomerium, so it was the only place where the senators felt comfortable bringing arms. I think that sums up the Roman Republic pretty well; it's OK to kill the consul, as long as you do it on THAT side of the road and not this one.
@@kelbybrewer2038 Caesar deserved eternal glory, eternal recognition and a special place in the Western World's history and culture(s), which fortunately he obtained. Instead of blowing off the fire of his person and memory, Caesar's death sparkled the very end of the corrupt republic which those traitors sworn to "protect" and made him a pivotal figure for the future of Rome. That's how you know that you've got a mighty man in your hands.
Centurion Cody: Yes imperator? Gaius Sheeve Palpatine: Execute senatus ordo LXVI. Or... Obi-Wan: Salve est. General Grevious: Proconsul Kenobi. (Sorry for my bad Latin. I just use google translate.) (Edit: The fuck. It added an extra line after "hello there".)
Caesar: Cleopatra never told you what happened to your father Ptolemy XV (Caesarion): She told me enough, she told me you killed him! Caesar: No, I am your father
Assuming this is based on real events. I wonder if Vultures, being rather smart birds. Noticed two groups of Humans standing against one another, and concluded a battle was about to start. So decided to stick around for the carrion. I could totally see Human's seeing that and instantly assuming it meant something.
I'm a bit late and I saw it in another comment but since Rome tended to Sacrifice animals a lot, it could be theorized that, before the whole fighting, they would sacrifice animals.. The vultures might have been smart enough to know that these humans tended to leave a lot of dead animals around.
It probably isn’t. There is little to no historical evidence. Even Roman historians themselves described it as a myth. Which in our modern thinking has a negative undertone (myth = inaccurate, lie, false), however Roman historians by it meant story or the story. Sort of a rapresentation or simplification of something. Romulus and Remus may very well be imaginary creation created to represent something (probably the divinity of Romans, being ancestors of Mars and all). The conflict may likley have been true.
@@SpicyCrustPizza This happened in ~750 BCE though, were the traditions of animal sacrifice the same at that early of a point in time as they were with the later beliefs?
HC, when you finish covering Caesar's Civil War, I would love to see you shed some more light on the Sulla-Marius Civil War that came before the one with Caesar and Pompey. So far I've only come across tantalizing bits of information on that topic at best.
I knew that the Pomerium existed, but I didn't quite know the origin or the extent of its consequences. I'm not surprised to learn just how nitpicky they were regarding the line considering all the other rules they tried so hard to uphold. Definitely remarkable how such a seemingly small detail can grow out to shape an entire system. Those Romans sure did love their history and traditions. :p Great video as always. Very informative and entertaining! The reason why this channel is probably my favourite channel on the entire site is demonstrated quite clearly once again. I don't comment often, but I do genuinely appreciate the effort that goes into making these and I am already looking forward to see what comes next!
It was important because back then, there weren't nearly as many examples of where civilians truly had control over the military for as long as Rome had, and where power changed hands, for the most part during the Republic, peacefully. Do you let all the politicians have guns during inaugurations and normally have armed soldiers inside your legislative chambers?
The Pomerium is an incredible concept, it’s basically the old concept of sacred that we call law today, it is what you cannot do no matter how much you desire it and how capable you are of doing it.
Historia Civilis... The Only channel who can make a 17 minutes video about a trench sound intresting. Edit. Jesus Christ I never expected this many likes. Thank you all for you have made my day
Please, Historia Civilis, for the love of Rome and all things good, produce a T-shirt of Pompey trying to get his elephant-pulled chariot through the Pomerium gate.
The only qualifier being that it MUST look like one of those abstract rectangle paintings back during the 70s and such, so only those who understand the squares recognize it
So my question is : did the lictors carry their own axe hidden in their back when inside the pomerium, or was there a poor sod carrying a bunch of axes around it, trying to guess by which gate his colleagues were gonna get out ? 🤔
as mentioned in the video, magistrates rarely had to go out of the pomerium-their homes are in there, as is their offices. Senate sessions, specially ones outside the pomerium, are far from a daily thing too. given that, it's not really that much trouble for any magistrate to send a runner and a cart at the Porta Carmentalis in advance with the message "Praetor Numerius Negidius is leaving through here tomorrow to attend a Senate meeting at the Curia Pompeia, here are six fasces with axes for him."
I love how this series has grown and evolved over the years. In the latest video about Caesar's funeral, it already felt like such a big deal having both a legion *and* armed gladiators inside the pomerium before he even had to explicitly say it. All of these small side-videos about Roman governance, life, and strategy really complement the main series.
It's funny, I always heard a different story for Romulus and REmus. First, the birds they see were eagles, not vultures, so a sign of Jupiter and not Mars. And I've always read and heard that Romulus and Remus were alone, and that Remus, despite being warned by his brother to not cross the pomerium, did, just for annoying his brother and then being killed. The story stay the same, just differently told ^^
@@maxpower4215 This is the Romans we are talking about. It was perfectly acceptable legally (socially may be another question) to have your children or any other family member (as head of the household) killed or sold into slavery. So why would children be any exception here?
Except that Roman culture was in large part (although certainly not entirely) based on Etruscan culture, so in some ways, the Etruscans still won. I mean, they definitely also lost, but still. History is weird and keeping score is harder than you'd think.
4:02 Interesting, a _borough_ in ancient times of England/Briton were circular fortified towns. They worked against the early attempts of the Normans/Saxons. There is a video about this, it also showed how the Vikings adopted this type fortress for their own.
Pomeranian is in reference to the German then slavic then German again region of Pomerania. The glory of Rome did not make settlements in the Baltic Sea so it would be out of place for them to use a word that is so closely associated with the power in Rome to relate to a region that foreign.
Man, the more I learn about Rome, the more I see parallels between them and the US (and likely every major nation). Lots of pride, lots of innovation, and lots of governmental incompetency mixed with moments of brilliance.
Just wait until you learn all the stuff about shady legal interpretations and prosecution of politicians. Or the stuff about using riots to achieve political goals. America is increasingly displaying “Fall of the Republic” behavior.
I think you have a point there with the Pomerium being a border between the government and the military. However, especially the myth surrounding it also points to it being an ontological and ritual border. It certainly hints back towards a time where the city of Rome had a more tribal-religious character. I think they kept the concept of Rome being an important mythical/religious place and translated it when the city evolved into a regional power.
That myth sounds like a lesson on not trusting the first omen-y thing you see blindly. Romulus got a clearly better oath and was proved right in the end; Remus insisted that only the first oath matters, and he was ultimately killed for that belief. This didn't end the city; quite the opposite. It's framed as tragic, but ultimately just.
@@mariodangelo9768from it said Remus came to Romulus with his men (supposedly with weapons) and a fight broke out. How is Romulus a murderer when Remus started the fight?
@@ORION00119 in this version of the story but in the version I was told he only came over to mock him It's possible he came over to mock him with some of the people who he was building his walls with and it's possible they were armed but that's not necessarily indicative that he intended to murder them just remember being armed with just much more commonplace in general that's why it's so weird that the Romans banned weapons inside the pomarium
Hey. Thank you for making these. I've learned so much from you. The passion in your voice makes it no mystery where the quality and style of these videos come from. I always eagerly await any new uploads by you I really hope your channel continues to grow and succeed. So as a long time silent fan stalking your channel thanks for everything!
I can't recall how much time has passed since I started watching your videos, but you've got me completely hooked on this period of history. Also, I love your comedic remarks which additionally enrich your storytelling.
imma just say, ive watched almost all the vids of the roman empire and i am amazed of how fun and exiting this was. definelity recommended to watch these
I find it a continuing wonder that anything of Rome can be considered "lost to history"; with the thousands of pages devoted to it over the past 250 years.
the actual foundation tale of Rome, as well as a lot of its history before 387-390 BC, was almost certainly lost when the Gauls sacked the city. the legend of Romulus and Remus, the seven kings and their acts, and the foundation of the Republic-they all shall forever remain legends because, as no primary sources exist, we are literally unable to confirm or deny it.
Once again man I genuinely love your videos and the outstanding effort that goes into them. I am always anticipating on the next one much respect and regards. A loyal fan
If the tale is made up, it's a beautiful metaphor for Rome's identity as an empire, choosing defense over trade thanks to an omen that was twice as strong and much less transitory. The twincide is perhaps weirdly brutal, but conveys a sense of 'everything else being equal' in the beginning, with no one option being clearly more worthy than the other. And I guess the icing on the cake is that the faction that was most concerned about winning fights actually won the fight when the fight broke out, therefore they got their way. As origin myths go, it's got a lot going on, all of it profoundly reinforcing for the Roman world view. Of course, if it's real, then that's just totally batshit and vaguely terrifying. Telling stories about what your ancestors did and how they acted if they convey a certain point is forgivable. Actually being founded by two hotheaded psychopaths who fought to the death over a location dispute is an intensely bad look. What's worse is that it's just totally stupid enough in the exact right way to be true. =/
I just want to say, I love your videos much. You go so in depth and make everything so interesting, please never stop making these videos. I saw this got uploaded today and I got giddy because I was just so excited for this video
The roman foundation history is not literal because it is Indo-European mythology superimposed on a historical style of story telling. This same origin story is found in all the European peoples from the Celts with the war of the Tuath Dé Danann, the repetition of the same structure within later roman 'history,' and even all the way to Vedic India. It is more important to understand these accounts from a religious/philosophical perspective. Romulus and his Luperci match identically with the Ghandarva of Vedic India, and the Centaurs in Greek myth - the wild men who exist outside this material world that rejuvenate a dying society through their frenzy once a year.
On the other hand 2 men having a heated argument about what to do and it turning violent is about as common as dogs chasing their tails. Just because 2 or 3 or even 100 different people/cultures come up with the same thing doesn't mean there is any connection, especially with something so mundane. edit: on an unrelated note thanks for giving something interesting to look up
@@goddamnit2573 No, this is a ridiculous argument. The reason the myths reoccur is because there are from a people with a shared tradition that separated from one another. This has pretty much been established genetically, linguistically, and through comparative mythology. Every where these people went iterations of their myth shaped later religions and culture. The Rex and Raj of Rome and India were the same political and religious position with the same laws regarding them. This continues to the Brahmin and the Flamen Dialis and their wives. just read these books for a starter Read Mitra -Varuna and Archaic Roman Religion by George Dumezil
Hi there, just wanted to say that your videos make my day. I can't express the joy everytime I see a new upload. You are the reason why I got interested in the history of Rome, and I love how much interesting information you can convey through simple squares. Your series on the Roman Civil War and Ceasar's rise to power were hands down better than Game of Thrones for me. Also have you considered doing a podcast? I would genuinely love to listen to your sexy voice for 3 hours or more. Much love from a fan in Poland and best regards, keep up the good work!
I heard the myth heard differently, that Remus jumped over Romulus's ditch in a jest defiance, and Romulus killed him in anger * (or his bodyguard, cletus?).
Ah...what a masterpiece, You gave me a simpler explanation regarding their highly complex legal system, Currently i start to read about ancient roman legal system and their society, would you mind to share your sources? I'm reading Beyond Dogmatics: Law and Society in the Roman World edited by John W. Cairns
“Sorry mate, you can’t cross that little dip in the ground and still be a general...yes yes I know your a foreigner come to I fade, but I just said you can’t do it!” *Christ, bloody foreigners*
The "no weapons" rule adds an interesting element to Caesar's assassination (and the use of armed gladiators to back up the Liberatores, come to that): besides all of the obvious ways that it was awful, the open carrying of weapons would have also been pretty sacrilegious to the Romans.
Been reading livy. He seems to mention at least 50 to 60 dictatorships and that they were used in religious affairs as well as military. Like something about hammering a nail to to end public deleriums.
@@niccolorichter1488 and it shows a lot of them. Love historia's vids but i hardly call 80 or so dictatorships to be a low number. Realistically the dictator was an important tool respected by the people and the senate for what it entailed.
FIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYYY! You need to have one done every week and make this your full time job. How is this ms-paint level history better than every other channel? Is it the research, the simplicity, the narration? What makes a great history focus RUclips channel? Whatever it is, Historia Civilis gets it.
How long were the laws of the pomerium put in place? Did it end with Caesar's empire? With the Western-Eastern split? With the creation of the Italian city-states?
Romulus "Soo... you saw a sign. What did you see" Remulus "I saw 6 vultures flying past our hill must have been sign of god" Romulus "We totally saw 12 vultures sitting on our hill!" Remulus "You are totally lying let me see them" Romulus "Oh sure come check them out.... oh they flew away, they must have been scared by all the mess you are making"
Very, very interesting. I never knew about the pomerium. I imagine how many times different situations relating to grey legislative areas regarding the pomerium gave endless headaches and heated debates to senators.
Those vultures must have been anticipating a fight breaking out.
jori kokkonen They had already sacrificed animals. Probably were looking to eat those.
This^
They were the real winners in that scenario.
Those vultures just wanted to stir up some shit lol
When stepping on a line or crack will literally break people's backs.
Gods forbid if you step on their Pomerium!
"The Romans were geniuses of engineering, after all, they gave us roads" - Average guy.
"Why can't I get this elephant into rome?!" - Pompey.
They did not invent roads
@@bruhmomentum9560 I invented roads.
@@Zarafin tocayo
@@leonardo9259 Brother?
@@Zarafin I've finally found you
"The Final Act" is lowkey the most badass name I've ever heard given to a law.
It's more accurately translated as "The final deliberation of the Senate" which doesn't sound nearly as cool
No me. Reminds me too much of “The Final Solution” of Nazi Germany to gain any love from me.
@@pathutchison9866 yea, you're racist if you like or admire things that resembles anything the Germans ever did in the 1940s, so anything that starts with "the final" is gonna have to never be acknowledged ever again.
Peste guess I’m racist because I admire how the Germans managed to fix a major economic depression within their country that was causing mass poverty and hunger.
@@mnnchildhood The Germans (mostly Papon's government, not the Nazis) fixed the major economic depression in the 1930s, not the 1940s.
Remus: *walks into rome*
Romulus:
ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY
WALK INTO ROME
Romulus: One does not simply walk into Rome.
German immigrants: *Brokes through gates of Rome* My city now.
Remus last words were reportedly, 'wait we're calling it rome?'
@@fristnamelastname5549 hehehe
This is Romaaaa!
@@dndboy13 And that, kids, is how we got “Roma” instead of “Reeeeema.”
Trade and commerce and great and I don't believe the Paletine hill's location was ever used to any great effect, but Remus bro did you seriously expect the god of war to be like "forget the military thing, I'm more of a businessman."
Too bad Remus wasn't a Carthaginian. They would have LOVED him.
Remus was an advanced thinker, he was already aware of the military-industrial complex millenia before it was developed
@@jasonmartin4775 ew c*rthage
Also 12 vultures landing on the hill, kinda seems like each brother was allotted 6 and Remus' cultures went with Romulus
Romulus: kill his brother to have his city built on Palatine hill instead of Aventine hill.
Romulus's successors: Expand the city to cover the seven hills including Aventine.
Yeah, that fight was totaly worthy :D
Besides, once the gods got involved, it _was_ important. Misinterpreting the gods' will would result in disaster; every myth at least touches on this sort of theme.
tfw gods give you mixed signs thinking you'll do something funny and your children conquer the fucking world and then get rid of the gods.
They could’ve just did their own construction projects, admittedly divided manpower but better than a fight. Better than sitting around..
@@PrajnaIsPrajna-exceptPrajna Disagreement over construction was really just a metaphor or beginning. What matters is the resulting creation of two conflicting nations that share significant portions of identity-defining origins and traditions while differing in overarching vision of society. I think this is a very common source of conflict throughout history and across cultures. Look at what happens between Ukraine and Russia these days.
In the words of Towelie the Great, build BOTH!
SPOILER ALERT: Julius Caesar was murdered outside the pomerium. There was like a special gathering hall for the senate outside the pomerium, so it was the only place where the senators felt comfortable bringing arms. I think that sums up the Roman Republic pretty well; it's OK to kill the consul, as long as you do it on THAT side of the road and not this one.
It's worth mentioning that Caesar deserved it, he did cross that same line at the head of an army, after all. By all accounts, he was a blasphemer.
@@kelbybrewer2038 Caesar did nothing wrong shhh now
It’s like saying, murder is legal, as long as you don’t do it in Kansas
@@kelbybrewer2038 Caesar deserved eternal glory, eternal recognition and a special place in the Western World's history and culture(s), which fortunately he obtained. Instead of blowing off the fire of his person and memory, Caesar's death sparkled the very end of the corrupt republic which those traitors sworn to "protect" and made him a pivotal figure for the future of Rome. That's how you know that you've got a mighty man in your hands.
Oh? I thought they used their stylus, a sort of sharp tool to write on clay tablets ^^
Another amazing video from one of my favorite channels.
Surprised seeing you here,love your videos
🤘🏻What’s up, David! I love your channel! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Based, what are you doing here?
The time has come
Execute order senatus consultum ultimum
Choco lad yes my lord
Centurion Cody: Yes imperator?
Gaius Sheeve Palpatine: Execute senatus ordo LXVI.
Or...
Obi-Wan: Salve est.
General Grevious: Proconsul Kenobi.
(Sorry for my bad Latin. I just use google translate.) (Edit: The fuck. It added an extra line after "hello there".)
"Is it possible to learn this power?"
"Not from a Pleb."
Choco lad Roman Wars y/y?
Caesar: Cleopatra never told you what happened to your father
Ptolemy XV (Caesarion): She told me enough, she told me you killed him!
Caesar: No, I am your father
Assuming this is based on real events. I wonder if Vultures, being rather smart birds. Noticed two groups of Humans standing against one another, and concluded a battle was about to start. So decided to stick around for the carrion. I could totally see Human's seeing that and instantly assuming it meant something.
No it didn't actually happen
I'm a bit late and I saw it in another comment but since Rome tended to Sacrifice animals a lot, it could be theorized that, before the whole fighting, they would sacrifice animals.. The vultures might have been smart enough to know that these humans tended to leave a lot of dead animals around.
It probably isn’t. There is little to no historical evidence.
Even Roman historians themselves described it as a myth. Which in our modern thinking has a negative undertone (myth = inaccurate, lie, false), however Roman historians by it meant story or the story.
Sort of a rapresentation or simplification of something.
Romulus and Remus may very well be imaginary creation created to represent something (probably the divinity of Romans, being ancestors of Mars and all). The conflict may likley have been true.
I mostly believe it really happened; Romulus and Remus and the kinslaying. But it became such an inflated story overtime, as stories tend to do.
@@SpicyCrustPizza This happened in ~750 BCE though, were the traditions of animal sacrifice the same at that early of a point in time as they were with the later beliefs?
HC, when you finish covering Caesar's Civil War, I would love to see you shed some more light on the Sulla-Marius Civil War that came before the one with Caesar and Pompey. So far I've only come across tantalizing bits of information on that topic at best.
KTChamberlain read “the storm before the storm” by Mike Duncan
Just read the book Rubicon, it's got some good info on Sulla.
Pomerium: No one shall walk into Rome at the head of an army
''That's where you are wrong kiddo 👉😎👉''
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Caesar: Marcus Antonius.... Hold my Wine.
you mean - Caesar: Hold my Vercingetorix
I have to leave the likes at "476"
Sulla: 'Nuthin personnel kid.' *Teleports behind the pomerium*
Applying meme culture to ancient history is so cringe.
I knew that the Pomerium existed, but I didn't quite know the origin or the extent of its consequences. I'm not surprised to learn just how nitpicky they were regarding the line considering all the other rules they tried so hard to uphold. Definitely remarkable how such a seemingly small detail can grow out to shape an entire system. Those Romans sure did love their history and traditions. :p
Great video as always. Very informative and entertaining! The reason why this channel is probably my favourite channel on the entire site is demonstrated quite clearly once again. I don't comment often, but I do genuinely appreciate the effort that goes into making these and I am already looking forward to see what comes next!
You’re very kind, thanks so much. :)
It was important because back then, there weren't nearly as many examples of where civilians truly had control over the military for as long as Rome had, and where power changed hands, for the most part during the Republic, peacefully. Do you let all the politicians have guns during inaugurations and normally have armed soldiers inside your legislative chambers?
@@HistoriaCivilis Awwwww *Sniffles*
@@robertjarman3703 it’s not exactly what you described, but this comment aged in an interesting way for the US lol
@@MotorcycleWrites Yeah. It aged really badly.
so leaving the pomerium is like going into the wilderness in runescape?
You have no idea how many repressed memories you just awakened
Perfect
Huh?
xD
@BARBATVS 89 f2p was pretty fun
jupiter has blessed us with a video
begone heathen
Box for the Box God! Squares for the Square Throne!
*Iupiter
@SteinbrecherBack
What makes you say that?
@@diamondsprince
*IVPITER
WELCOME, TO ROME! If you walk around the gates, thats death. Have a nice day.
Man and we thought our traffic was bad
That ideology is why we need to protect our borders with military.
I thought that this channel would at least have non-retards voted to its top comments...
when in rome, DONT STEP OVER THE IMAGINARY LINE
@@magikman481 EU: Borders are Capitalist Propaganda.
Rome: Cross this line, YOU DEAD!
Every time you upload, I know it's gonna be a real comfy evening
The Pomerium is an incredible concept, it’s basically the old concept of sacred that we call law today, it is what you cannot do no matter how much you desire it and how capable you are of doing it.
Romulus and Remus story always felt like Seinfeld episode to me.
And thus, Festivus was born!!!
What is the *deal* with the pomerium?
Costanza
If that works for you... I imagine you can think of some comic book movie that also applies.
Historia Civilis...
The Only channel who can make a 17 minutes video about a trench sound intresting.
Edit.
Jesus Christ I never expected this many likes. Thank you all for you have made my day
old peapol normaly hate trenches, but they woudn't hate this video!
Most interesting trench in history
You, my friend, certainly doesn't know The Great War channel
The Great War channel does it too!!
When stepping on a line or crack will literally break people's backs.
Gods forbid if you step on their Pomerium!
I am sure everyone who likes this comment agrees, when i say these videos are the best!
I always look forward to the next upload.
I write first but then I see that over a hundred people have already seen it.😢
Yes
@@christoffergernow8481 Stupid patrons
@@rmd251 hey they give this guy money to continue his amazing work.
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Please, Historia Civilis, for the love of Rome and all things good, produce a T-shirt of Pompey trying to get his elephant-pulled chariot through the Pomerium gate.
The only qualifier being that it MUST look like one of those abstract rectangle paintings back during the 70s and such, so only those who understand the squares recognize it
Romulus: What should we call this great city of ours brother?
Remus: Reme
Romulus: *Sharpening spear* I have a better idea
That's stolen. Very famous Roman meme. Why have you done this wololo man?
@@rfkwouldvebeenaok1008 He wololoed the meme, it's his now
So my question is : did the lictors carry their own axe hidden in their back when inside the pomerium, or was there a poor sod carrying a bunch of axes around it, trying to guess by which gate his colleagues were gonna get out ? 🤔
as mentioned in the video, magistrates rarely had to go out of the pomerium-their homes are in there, as is their offices. Senate sessions, specially ones outside the pomerium, are far from a daily thing too.
given that, it's not really that much trouble for any magistrate to send a runner and a cart at the Porta Carmentalis in advance with the message "Praetor Numerius Negidius is leaving through here tomorrow to attend a Senate meeting at the Curia Pompeia, here are six fasces with axes for him."
The art for the elephants are honestly Amazing!
Benjamin Enos at first I thought they were mice lol
I thought they were menhirs at first
I love how this series has grown and evolved over the years. In the latest video about Caesar's funeral, it already felt like such a big deal having both a legion *and* armed gladiators inside the pomerium before he even had to explicitly say it. All of these small side-videos about Roman governance, life, and strategy really complement the main series.
It's funny, I always heard a different story for Romulus and REmus. First, the birds they see were eagles, not vultures, so a sign of Jupiter and not Mars.
And I've always read and heard that Romulus and Remus were alone, and that Remus, despite being warned by his brother to not cross the pomerium, did, just for annoying his brother and then being killed. The story stay the same, just differently told ^^
Is there any evidence of someone being put to death for crossing the pomerium at the wrong place?
Necuno anyone making such a claim would have been required to produce other witnesses and/or evidence or themselves be at risk of prosecution.
What if a kid crosses it while playing?
@@maxpower4215 DEATH!
@@maxpower4215 This is the Romans we are talking about. It was perfectly acceptable legally (socially may be another question) to have your children or any other family member (as head of the household) killed or sold into slavery. So why would children be any exception here?
@@maxpower4215 thats the first thing that came to mind hence the question.
Etruscans were watching all this with popcorn on hand.
Until they too were...subsumed.
Hello there!
Samnites too
Except that Roman culture was in large part (although certainly not entirely) based on Etruscan culture, so in some ways, the Etruscans still won. I mean, they definitely also lost, but still. History is weird and keeping score is harder than you'd think.
And salt in their earth
4:02 Interesting, a _borough_ in ancient times of England/Briton were circular fortified towns. They worked against the early attempts of the Normans/Saxons.
There is a video about this, it also showed how the Vikings adopted this type fortress for their own.
Did...did you just Cliffhanger us?!....
No he *TEASED* us
@@roynettle6864 I sense a video on triumphs in the future.
@@Angelblue1302 *Really* where did you get that from?
@@roynettle6864 Oh...Just a hunch.
He did -,-
Can we just be glad Romulus won? So were not sitting here talking about the history of Ancient Reme
Agreed
I was going to get ready for class but now I gotta watch some Historia Civilis.
swarfega Nah, math class.
swarfega I barely got there on time so I didn’t miss anything luckily.
These videos have done a great service for anyone interested in, or teaching, ancient history.
"We will construct a big, beautiful trench. And Mexico is gonna pay for it."
Mexico has paid tribute
*and Remus is gonna pay for it
Thanks!
Greatest channel.
Finished my assessments for the semester. Logged onto youtube and this is my reward. I could actually cry, I'm so happy.
I genuinely thought this was going to be about dogs.
Lol
Silly sod.
Pomeranian is in reference to the German then slavic then German again region of Pomerania. The glory of Rome did not make settlements in the Baltic Sea so it would be out of place for them to use a word that is so closely associated with the power in Rome to relate to a region that foreign.
@@GAndreC He obviously just misread the name. Speaking of which, that's quite the handle you've got there!
@ I don't know about him literally having the downs but he's definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed if he thought that.
years now and I'm still amazed at the consistency of quality of Historia Civils vids, hands down best historical/education channel
Could we see more videos on the founding myths of ancient civilizations? Carthage, Egypt, and the Greek city-states come to mind.
Man, the more I learn about Rome, the more I see parallels between them and the US (and likely every major nation). Lots of pride, lots of innovation, and lots of governmental incompetency mixed with moments of brilliance.
Just wait until you learn all the stuff about shady legal interpretations and prosecution of politicians. Or the stuff about using riots to achieve political goals. America is increasingly displaying “Fall of the Republic” behavior.
Yeah you wish, seppo
@@m.m.1301 Aw, is your 99% desert backwater country not teaching you good manners?
@@m.m.1301 The hell do you mean by that lmao
@@dashikashi4734 Seppos keep comparing the US with Rome. They can only wish they had accomplished even a sliver of what Rome did
God, could you imagine having to call it Reme instead of Rome
Rema might not be that bad
There's actually a city in Italy called "San Remo", litterally "Saint Reme"
The Reman empire
It'd probably become an internet reme
@@Sabshark
More like Saint Remus, as Remo is literally the italianised version of Remus. It is probably named after someone else, but I don't know.
Godammit man! I finally stopped procrastinating enough to work on my lesson plan for tomorrow, and you post this!
Just wing it
Love the avatar. Union Jack!
Are you in the U.K. by chance?
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Cheers! :D Yeah I'm from the UK. It's the Royal Court of Arms with the Union Flag in the background.
I think you have a point there with the Pomerium being a border between the government and the military. However, especially the myth surrounding it also points to it being an ontological and ritual border. It certainly hints back towards a time where the city of Rome had a more tribal-religious character. I think they kept the concept of Rome being an important mythical/religious place and translated it when the city evolved into a regional power.
Excellent video. Historia Civilis rises again!
If the fight went the other way, we'd be learning about *Reman* history
To me, this channel is the perfect combination of efficient animation and relaying of accurate information with context. Top notch channel.
There goes no nut November.
No, stop it. That's not a thing. Stop trying to make it a thing. -_-
Hate
Oh by Dionysus! Not in the Pomerium!!
@@InfernapeGames1 LOL
@@GenjiKilpatrick It's been a thing for years
Never even heard of the Pomerium before. Thank you Blocky!
That myth sounds like a lesson on not trusting the first omen-y thing you see blindly. Romulus got a clearly better oath and was proved right in the end; Remus insisted that only the first oath matters, and he was ultimately killed for that belief. This didn't end the city; quite the opposite. It's framed as tragic, but ultimately just.
To me the lesson is that Romulus is a murderer
@@mariodangelo9768from it said Remus came to Romulus with his men (supposedly with weapons) and a fight broke out. How is Romulus a murderer when Remus started the fight?
@@ORION00119 Remus came over there to mock Romulus not to fight him
@@mariodangelo9768 2:35
@@ORION00119 in this version of the story but in the version I was told he only came over to mock him
It's possible he came over to mock him with some of the people who he was building his walls with and it's possible they were armed but that's not necessarily indicative that he intended to murder them just remember being armed with just much more commonplace in general that's why it's so weird that the Romans banned weapons inside the pomarium
Alternative universe we got Reme instead of Rome
Hey. Thank you for making these. I've learned so much from you. The passion in your voice makes it no mystery where the quality and style of these videos come from.
I always eagerly await any new uploads by you I really hope your channel continues to grow and succeed. So as a long time silent fan stalking your channel thanks for everything!
I can't recall how much time has passed since I started watching your videos, but you've got me completely hooked on this period of history. Also, I love your comedic remarks which additionally enrich your storytelling.
I love all the stories and all the small blockk people moving :D
Block people are the best!!
@@nicodeklerk1617 Blockos
I love block parties!
The original block at the time of creation was Brock the Block, now his descendants roam rampart across the annals of history..
You can't call them block people wtf it's almost 2019.
They're Cubular Americans
imma just say, ive watched almost all the vids of the roman empire and i am amazed of how fun and exiting this was. definelity recommended to watch these
I find it a continuing wonder that anything of Rome can be considered "lost to history"; with the thousands of pages devoted to it over the past 250 years.
the actual foundation tale of Rome, as well as a lot of its history before 387-390 BC, was almost certainly lost when the Gauls sacked the city. the legend of Romulus and Remus, the seven kings and their acts, and the foundation of the Republic-they all shall forever remain legends because, as no primary sources exist, we are literally unable to confirm or deny it.
Everytime I see a new video from Historia Civilis I know I'm gonna enjoy the next 20mins of my day. Thanks man you're great!
I really enjoy these videos. Interesting historical tidbits explained in a really approachable way. Keep it up!
Thank you for this video
Greetings from somalia 💙
Somalia?? You sure about this homie?
Once again man I genuinely love your videos and the outstanding effort that goes into them. I am always anticipating on the next one much respect and regards.
A loyal fan
I don't immediatley click on most new uploads from many channels. You, bazbattles, and K&Gs is the exception.
Best channel on RUclips. Not even exaggerating.
Found you less then a week ago have watched literally every single video. NOW here I am begging for more. Please.
If the tale is made up, it's a beautiful metaphor for Rome's identity as an empire, choosing defense over trade thanks to an omen that was twice as strong and much less transitory. The twincide is perhaps weirdly brutal, but conveys a sense of 'everything else being equal' in the beginning, with no one option being clearly more worthy than the other. And I guess the icing on the cake is that the faction that was most concerned about winning fights actually won the fight when the fight broke out, therefore they got their way.
As origin myths go, it's got a lot going on, all of it profoundly reinforcing for the Roman world view.
Of course, if it's real, then that's just totally batshit and vaguely terrifying. Telling stories about what your ancestors did and how they acted if they convey a certain point is forgivable. Actually being founded by two hotheaded psychopaths who fought to the death over a location dispute is an intensely bad look. What's worse is that it's just totally stupid enough in the exact right way to be true. =/
I just want to say, I love your videos much. You go so in depth and make everything so interesting, please never stop making these videos. I saw this got uploaded today and I got giddy because I was just so excited for this video
The roman foundation history is not literal because it is Indo-European mythology superimposed on a historical style of story telling. This same origin story is found in all the European peoples from the Celts with the war of the Tuath Dé Danann, the repetition of the same structure within later roman 'history,' and even all the way to Vedic India. It is more important to understand these accounts from a religious/philosophical perspective. Romulus and his Luperci match identically with the Ghandarva of Vedic India, and the Centaurs in Greek myth - the wild men who exist outside this material world that rejuvenate a dying society through their frenzy once a year.
On the other hand 2 men having a heated argument about what to do and it turning violent is about as common as dogs chasing their tails. Just because 2 or 3 or even 100 different people/cultures come up with the same thing doesn't mean there is any connection, especially with something so mundane.
edit: on an unrelated note thanks for giving something interesting to look up
@@goddamnit2573 No, this is a ridiculous argument. The reason the myths reoccur is because there are from a people with a shared tradition that separated from one another. This has pretty much been established genetically, linguistically, and through comparative mythology. Every where these people went iterations of their myth shaped later religions and culture. The Rex and Raj of Rome and India were the same political and religious position with the same laws regarding them. This continues to the Brahmin and the Flamen Dialis and their wives.
just read these books for a starter
Read Mitra -Varuna and Archaic Roman Religion by George Dumezil
Maybe it is literal however originally it was universal not isolated to certain areas. It belongs to all of mankind because all was one at first
Common to most Indo-European cultures.
I just randomly found this channel and im in love. Thank you my friend for giving us this awesome content!
The sacred border of the Urbs Aeterna...greetings from Mediolanum!
Greetings from Italia
Greetings from a latin american city that is named after a spanish city founded by Quintus Caecilius Metellus (Metellinum).... Medellín. :D
Greetings from Judea, you disgusting many-god-believers
@@yochaiwyss3843 Are you the Judean People's Front?
I thought he was the Popular Front. @@billysanpidro
Hi there, just wanted to say that your videos make my day. I can't express the joy everytime I see a new upload. You are the reason why I got interested in the history of Rome, and I love how much interesting information you can convey through simple squares. Your series on the Roman Civil War and Ceasar's rise to power were hands down better than Game of Thrones for me.
Also have you considered doing a podcast? I would genuinely love to listen to your sexy voice for 3 hours or more.
Much love from a fan in Poland and best regards, keep up the good work!
“Wait, it’s gonna be called Rome?”
*loads gun*
“Always will be.”
Your channel made me love Roman history
I heard the myth heard differently, that Remus jumped over Romulus's ditch in a jest defiance, and Romulus killed him in anger * (or his bodyguard, cletus?).
Dat heb je van Fortuna Latijn geleerd of niet?
Finally another top notch roman video. Like to let HC know to make more vids like these.
Ah...what a masterpiece,
You gave me a simpler explanation regarding their highly complex legal system,
Currently i start to read about ancient roman legal system and their society,
would you mind to share your sources?
I'm reading Beyond Dogmatics: Law and Society in the Roman World edited by John W. Cairns
Lol, correction: the sources are already in the description, i forgot
Over-simplified.
NEW HISTORIA CIVILIS VIDEO? POGCHAMP
I was watching the Fall of the Roman Empire movie and switched to this.. God what the hell I'm becoming a roman weeb
reeb.
Romaboo, of which you're only a Romaboo if you worship everything Rome does. Wanting to know doesn't make you one.
There is nothing wrong with that. Join us.
Veeabus
you mean pleb
Everyone knows you don't upload often, but seeing this video on my feed genuinely makes me happy. Thanks man keep up the good work :')
A Roman walks into a bar, lifts up two fingers and says "five beers please"
Jesus Flavius Christ that joke is dead
When it comes to this channel, the wait is always worth it!
Just finished watching the Rome series. Every time some famous senator/consul/general exited the Pomerium, there would be a huge celebration.
I just found this channel and saw a 58 video playlist of Roman history, I loudly exclaimed "let's go"
Oh that's why Hannibal couldn't conquer rome. Hahah
No
“Sorry mate, you can’t cross that little dip in the ground and still be a general...yes yes I know your a foreigner come to I fade, but I just said you can’t do it!” *Christ, bloody foreigners*
@@2VeryIceyGaming who's christ
@@2VeryIceyGaming christ you mean Jupiter
I know what you did there, I like it ^^
"urbis" being related to "orbis" is perhaps the best joke I've heard so far.
The "no weapons" rule adds an interesting element to Caesar's assassination (and the use of armed gladiators to back up the Liberatores, come to that): besides all of the obvious ways that it was awful, the open carrying of weapons would have also been pretty sacrilegious to the Romans.
Nearly cried when I saw this in my subscriptions. Thank you!
Been reading livy. He seems to mention at least 50 to 60 dictatorships and that they were used in religious affairs as well as military. Like something about hammering a nail to to end public deleriums.
I found a list of all consuls and dictators on Wikipedia
@@niccolorichter1488 and it shows a lot of them. Love historia's vids but i hardly call 80 or so dictatorships to be a low number. Realistically the dictator was an important tool respected by the people and the senate for what it entailed.
FIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYYY! You need to have one done every week and make this your full time job. How is this ms-paint level history better than every other channel? Is it the research, the simplicity, the narration? What makes a great history focus RUclips channel? Whatever it is, Historia Civilis gets it.
When you turn a myth of Romulus and Remus into fighting squares
Every few months I rewatch all these videos. Keeps me sharp on Roman history.
How long were the laws of the pomerium put in place? Did it end with Caesar's empire? With the Western-Eastern split? With the creation of the Italian city-states?
I'd imagine it probably lasted until the Flavian dynasty, but I don't know.
@@elgatto3133 no pomerium was certainly still behind Trajan
I think it was gone when Rome was conquered in 453 AD.
That teaser about Roman Triumph works me up! Can't wait for the next video!
Imagine if your city had as metal of a history like this.
This is the best show anywhere! I anticipate it every month and get excited when I get the notification.
If Remus had won, would we be calling "Rome," "Reem" instead? Lol.
My replica suggested this youtube channel when we were talking about Roman history. So I will subscribe to this channel.
Romulus "Soo... you saw a sign. What did you see"
Remulus "I saw 6 vultures flying past our hill must have been sign of god"
Romulus "We totally saw 12 vultures sitting on our hill!"
Remulus "You are totally lying let me see them"
Romulus "Oh sure come check them out.... oh they flew away, they must have been scared by all the mess you are making"
I mean, if vultures are a sign, just secretely put a dead body on your hill, you will have a ton of vultures :p
Very, very interesting. I never knew about the pomerium. I imagine how many times different situations relating to grey legislative areas regarding the pomerium gave endless headaches and heated debates to senators.
Use the cool elephant symbol! Make it the official international war elephant one.
Remulus violated the NAP