“Even If It’s NOT Criminal, You Can Be Reported To The Police” | Scotland's New Hate Crime Law
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- Scotland's new hate crime law has been put into effect but critics fear it may limit free speech, while senior police officials expect a surge in complaints about online content.
The Scottish government defends the law, arguing that it safeguards against hate and prejudice while allowing for individual expression. However, Victims and Community Safety Minister Siobhian Brown's claim that the law was unanimously passed in 2021 is inaccurate. It was approved with 82 votes to 32 and four abstentions after heated debates.
The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 introduces a new offense of "stirring up hatred" concerning various protected characteristics, with a maximum penalty of seven years' imprisonment.
The law prohibits communicating material or behaving in a manner deemed threatening, abusive, or insulting with the intent to incite hatred based on protected characteristics. While similar offenses were already illegal in England and Wales under the Public Order Act 1986, Scotland's law expands the scope by including "insulting" behaviour and requiring only a likelihood, rather than intent, to incite hatred.
Dehenna Davison speaks with the Alba Party general secretary, Chris McEleny, author Matthew Stadlen and former government advisor Claire Pearsall.
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This is going to turn ugly very quickly.
Are we still allowed to say "Ugly" in Scotland (with this new law)? The law is a cry baby charter
@@user-or4hs7xq9u "Baby"? Is this an example of hatred based on age?
What a waste of police time
The police are being recruited from universities and majority of students are left wing... These people will love arresting you for misgendering.
Don't be fooled. It's all about protecting Islam from criticism.
And any other group which may harm the fabric of our culture
Facts
And men who want to invade women’s spaces . It’s anti women but then Muslims are anti women
What about transgender men raping females? Is that to be a crime.
They have to be able to handle other 🍇 first
Non-crime hate incident there! 😂 (They'd have to be transgender women because transgender men haven't got the tackle.) So easy to get it wrong when cognitive dissonance is involved!
Only if they are white, LOL
Transgender men are females and they don’t have a penis to rape with.
No wonder Putin laughs at us
The U.K MSM claims that Putin is the Bad Guy
So sorry Scotland under the slavery of islam ,where is Scotland the brave? ,😢😮
pam: Yes slavery of Islam.
Scotland the brave died a long time ago and remains no more.
This new law on the official page mentions the abolition of blasphemy. He's a super progressive and the complete opposite. I blame social media. He's always on his phone. His own comments about too many lighter groups in Scotland in the past however could come back to bite him in future. In reality though the law means little as people in US, Europe and England are already being arrested and fired for saying the wrong thing
Come on Scotland. Protest Protest Protest. Support from 🇮🇪 ireland. We are same boat. We can't leave it unchallenged and we need to fight for our rights.
@@Harveybeau Australia has stricter rules with this act. This one isn't about freedom of speech or even insult if u read the act, but time will tell
It is not a crime to be hateful or insulting. If you meet someone like this, deal with it. Grow up.
When the SNP get ousted soon if the incoming party doesn’t get rid of the law then it simply confirms what so many people think of politicians that they are all in this together and we really don’t have a choice.
I think you will need to wait a bit . 😂
@@dundeeguy . The law changing maybe but not getting the SNP out.
We always have a choice
@@SilverSparkles22 Did you have a choice or voice before this law was forced through?.
After thousands of years of Apes arguing about magic hats I have a healthy hatred of all religion and shall continue to express that.
And there is no such thing as a trans person only people... Male =he/him boy/man
Female =she/her gir/woman and I shall be continuing to use such terms.
This law is literally trying to get me to respect and silence my criticism of both these examples of delusional, intolerant and hate filled ideologies that I indeed have no respect for.
This is a dangerous route for society to go down and I will not be complying to any such tyrannical, irrational and insane law.
I HATE this law..is this a crime?
Are you harming anyone by saying that?
should i be made a criminal if someone is hurt by my typed words @@hannahcallow6374
Dont be silly.
Im offended am going to make a complaint lol
Did you think it? Then YES
I find people who give brand new houses for Muslims that entered the U.k illegally to live in Bill free very offensive .
A man not elected by the people is making laws that no one wants. I have a feeling this law is more about stopping any criticism of islam more than anything. At some point in Scotland it will become an offence to eat in a public place while others could be fasting, then they will target shops, then certain books will be banned, then...well, look at Germany in the 1930s if you want to know where Scotland is going in the 2020's.
My sister, who is a retired social worker and in her late 70's has had one of the first convictions under new legislation! As a social worker she has always had strong values against racism, bullying etc and it counted for nothing because the court wanted to get that conviction on the books!
I was in the court! They preferred to believe a Polish woman and her partner that my sister made a racist remark (and I know she would never do that). The whole procedure was disgusting!
Anti racism brought us here.
The government needs to rescind this most stupid of laws , asap.
Imagine being extradited from England to Scotland, charged with one of these crimes.
They’re going to have to extradite us all to Scotland 😂😂.
Hes turning Scotland into his own little Palestine! Cool.
have you ever set foot in a university
@jessicapogson2645 why ask? To answer your question though. Yes. But l had some turmoil around it. Had a mortgage at the time, and a full time job. So, decided against it.
@jessicapogson2645 yes. Then decided against it. Having a full time job and a mortgage. Worked out well in the end. Any reason you ask?
@@jessicapogson2645 that's hilarious, university isn't the only route, I left school early, started a business, now I'm a professional in the events industry making a lot of money with a lot of big clients. I go to university now after 10 years into this business, the people in this uni are not super smart or anything
@@limpetheadprobally because u sound like a spastic! ... also 3 palestine but we dont need plebs like u screaming it .
Rishi...khan and Humza....what does this say about Great Britain now...im not being racist but its obvious to anyone
It was said a long time ago that this will be a Black Britain.
You've been replaced, should of sided with the Austrian painter
@@271chrissy yep,he was right
I don’t recognise my country anymore, perhaps countries can self id, it can then be changed to from Scotland to ‘prison’
Not our lands anymore
The reason why Westminster didn't oppose this new law is because it is heading on down to England in the near future. This law is there to create the proof required to justify the need for it, as the number of silly people reporting so-called offending speech and thoughts increases so do the numbers to prove the problem is on the rise. The only way to make this point is to allow more people to do so. The SNP are playing a game and the people are more than happy to play along with it, not realizing that the game is stacked against them, the SNP House holds the cards
Maybe the rest of the UK can be given a referendum on whether or not to make Scotland independent.
All who vote ......voted for this.Well done putting these people in charge.
SNP had to rely on Labour to get this orwellian nonsense through Holyrood
In my life I have heard many politicians assure us "that's not going to happen" and guess wha? it does.
Report drug dealers, gangs, smugglers..haters of Scottish spirit.
I just sneezed and swore at the same time......im off to jail for 2 years
It should be interesting to see how Government deals with full prisons and vacant job positions, obviously it will implement more laws and restrictions.
This is about nothing other than money and control of the people, I'm no puppet and I dance for nobody, take aggressive action against me for the purpose of money or power and I will respond with justified appropriate action.
They can report you even if you make a post in England 🏴 if it’s read in Scotland 🏴 you can have a none hate crime in your records without you even knowing until you go for a job interview that needs a enhanced security check 🙄
How on earth can they do that?
@@MrDunkycraig it’s law now 🙄 seen 2 solicitors confirm it
@@imbonkers3629I’ve seen three solicitors say the opposite 🤷🏾♂️
@@MrDunkycraigit was law in England for a while, I think it still is, just acpo gave guidance to stop doing it that way because plebs were reporting each other moving their wheelie bins as hate crimes.
@@kilgoretrout413 we’re see who’s right then it’s even been said a few times on talk tv 📺 we won’t have long to wait because the left have probably all ready started reporting people
What a joke
Absolute effing joke.
Now it is 2024
Knock, knock at your front door
It's the suede denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece
Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes, here's a pretty flower...
California Uber Alles - Dead Kennedys Circa 1979
Is it a crime to stare at a muslim?
I heard of it a while ago and hoped it was a joke. But you actually PASSED this law...
An ex of mine told the police I assaulted her and took me to court, in court she showed pictures of scratches and rashes that were not caused by me, I was then given a 1 year deferred sentence and a criminal record
Now she can do this to anyone, claiming they offended her etc, people like this exist, some people will report you to the police just because they don't like you, and even if you don't get a criminal record, it is going to be a pain
That's not exactly new...
@@hannahcallow6374 nope, but stuff like this makes it easier
@@jaztheman2 there's a difference between offence and hate though
@@hannahcallow6374 of course, that wasn't my point though
My point was more that if someone doesn't like you, and they want you to get caught up in legal trouble, this is a very easy way to do it now, as this is a subjective act that means anyone can be offended and call the police, but someone doesn't need to actually be offended to call the police and say that they are, making claims saying that someone said something when they didn't, and getting them into trouble for it, is now possible
@@jaztheman2 which makes their actions in breach of the sentiment of this law. It's called 'wasting police time'.
Police can cope with 🍇 allegations so why be worried about this?
Nobody will be prosecuted for wasting police time because accusers do not have to prove that a hate crime has happened, they just have to feel that one has.
Thats like saying even if it is not an offence we will still arrest you, or even if your not guilty we we treat you as though you are, what has happend ? surely a civil war is the only outcome if these clowns in suits sitting in the nice homes keep attacking the people who have put them their in the first place.
A piece of paper doesnt make you a woman. Just because its legal doesnt make it right.
I really don't get why people are so heated about this. ~70% of all crimes are perpetrated by men, and 1% of pop being trans is the issue 🤨🤔
Maybe there is something wrong with gender expectations on men
But a piece of paper... a papal bull (decree) from pope Alexander VI in 1493 is responsible for millions of people becoming slaves for more than 500 years. The decree asserts the rights of Spain and Portugal to colonize, convert, and enslave. It also justifies the enslavement of Africans.
“... Out of our own sole largess and certain knowledge and out of the fullness of our apostolic power, by the authority of Almighty God conferred upon us in blessed Peter and of the vicarship of Jesus Christ..."
@@hannahcallow6374because trans-women are male?
@@hannahcallow6374Yes, that's the point. REAL trans people are a small minority. But now, if ANY man r*pes a woman and gets caught and sent to prison, he can CLAIM to "BE" a woman and can be transferred to a women's prison even if he's 100% intact.
_This is already happening, and some women prisoners have been r*ped by men who are _CLAIMING_ to be women just so they can be put in women's prisons. Most women prisoners aren't even in prison for violent crimes, because violent crimes are vastly more often perpetrated by men.
I have genuinely trans friends, who have had surgery as adults, and I accept REAL trans women as trans women. But letting _ANY_ man claim any sex he wants to claim, is unfair and potentially extremely dangerous.
@@canuck3169 because trans pop is less then Men
It would be hilarious if Scotland asked England to extradite someone for breaking a law that doesn't apply in England😂😂
Wait, I have a better take. This sounds EXACTLY like the Inquisition and reporting witches/wizards. And we know how it went...
Yes, and Pendle and Salem witch trials.
Exactly. Future historians will look back on our era with the same sense of horror with which we look back on the Salem Witch Trials. 🤦🏾♀️
NOBODY expects the Scottish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is stupidity, stupidity and unintended consequences, unintended consequences and stupidity. Our TWO weapons are unintended consequences and stupidity, and ruthless misogyny. Our THREE weapons are unintended consequences and stupidity and ruthless misogyny and an almost fanatical dedication to preventing hurty words!
scotlandstan.
I think we all know why misogyny has been left out.....
Should report the SNP minister for his racist comments in the Scottish Assembly saying that there were to many "White" people in charge of posts in Scotland.
1984
Correct..Agenda 2030 is more precise
Can some one PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THEY ARE NOT ARRESTING THE REAL CRIMINALS?
Being a non Muslim . I find Quran 22:19 very offensive
@@Inge-99 . My reply to you regarding my rational fear of Islam keeps getting deleted.
Emperor Hadrian was right build a wall to stop the Scottish Hate Monsters from invading England. Veni, Vidi, Visa is Latin for I came. I saw, I went Shopping. Hahaha.
@arnolddalby5552. Spoken like a true little englander, blaming Scot’s when it’s the Scottish government implementing the law.
That's makes as much sense as saying, "Thank god Jeffrey epstein got to me first before Jimmy Saville did.
Weirdo.
Have you missed what's been happening in England every weekend or how England's population increases massively every day unless the weather is particularly bad??
Scottish people should be the least of your worries..
@@gazzisright7362 brilliant 👏🏻
Control, control, control, until you can't breath or think for yourself anymore.
This will getting out of control soon enough
Surely if someone had their own opinion of anything on any person or thing, they are entitled to have an opinion especially if it is a concern for their safety.
I want to identify as a millionaire !! Gimme the money !!
Fantastic however you've just alerted the inland revenue... They'll be contacting you promptly..
Misogyny is sexual based that is the hatred of women isn't that sexual discrimination which could be classed as a hate crime because there are men haters aren't there ? Shouldn't the Scottish Parliament be taken to court for the hate crime of making misogyny act they want to bring in ?
All that feature in The Old Testament . The Torah and The Koran. Good Luck with that.
Being a non Muslim I find Quran 22:19 very offensive.
"Criminalises threatening behaviour based on ... " Why not simply criminalise threatening behaviour in general?
There is in Scotland already . Troll Stewart McInroy of Cuper in Scotland got two years. For consistant threatening behaviour online a few years back. So don't understand these new laws ?
Up to the Scots to have those who approved this law out of the parliament for good.
Do not visit Scotland.
Germany 1939
I'd be surprised if this law wasn't made the subject of judicial review and, eventually, struck down.
How are they gonna police this? It seems peoples feelings getting hurt is more important than real crimes. Personally, i would never call the police for being called names like a little bxtch! 😢
Was some more offensive word muted after he said he was called a child? Because if not, that is so pathetic
Ludicrous, ill thought out and totally unnecessary legislation. Exactly like the people who though it up.
I bet that if another party gets in and the SNP are out they don’t throw this out. I haven’t heard any of the main parties disagree with the legislation.
Scotland was already very inclusive. From now on will completely ignore any of these easily offended muppets. Will actually cause hate.
Matthew should be happy with these crazy laws. How else can him and his cohorts enforce their nonsense?
Hopefully their would be EU masters will take a very dim view of this Scottish legislation 😊
First they came for writers,
Then comedians, Then they shall come for us all.
'Resist while you can ' Christopher Hitchens.
This is a test for the Scottish people. If they don't report anybody then the law will not impact them.
Ta taa free speech.
Basically what a complete waste of money
“ sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt my “
Get a grip grow up and do some voluntary work with your time x
Just ban the Internet in Scotland job done
How can it make the police’s job harder? They do nothing now and it will simply continue.
I think if we examine the core functions of the police, it may serve to illustrate how we’re treading on very thin ice, civil liberties wise.
It is the duty of the police to guard, watch and patrol so as to prevent crime, protect life and property and preserve order.
I hate the SNP and I hate all Scottish police who enforce this.
Can they cross the border?
Im here all week.
Where is Humza building the Gulags?
No wonder he was called a child. Pathetic
it's obv coming to england too, scotland is the testbed first.
True, grassroots organisations need to pre-empt this and cause "disruption" across the nation if such legislation comes in.
a bit like Salisbury was the testbed for covid
It already exists in England and has since 2020
Just like the Poll Tax & Thatcher !
What happens if you are English, on holiday in Scotland, say something that meets this criteria, then go home. Can Scotland get you to return to be prosecuted even though what you said in England isn't a crime?
I wondered this also, I often say what I think about the state of our United Kingdom, whoops xxx
Or just English in England saying something on social media that is read or seen in Scotland?
@@deja-view1017 I get the feeling the consequences of this legislation haven't been thought through properly. If someone, who lives in scotland, says something that causes a complaint from someone in England then how does that work?. Can Scottish police ask an English police force to arrest that person or does this law only apply to Scots living in Scotland and the accusers living in Scotland also?. It is going to run foul of the English legal system but maybe that's the reason this legislation has come about?
If you live in England and say something online that someone in Scotland doesn't like you can still be reported, investigated and prosecuted according to the experts.
@@spartacusforlife1508It seems pretty unworkable. There are UK laws and ECHR laws that supercede Scottish law. Cases will be bound up in the courts for years (costing millions).
Let’s start with Prince Andrew hey? No?
Cue everyone at home recording everything other family members say and then using that for ‘negotiation’ at a later date.
You do not even have to go to the police, a mushroom farm will do. Yet women are expected to accommodate all manner of people under these laws, regardless of our feelings and life experiences. If these politicians cannot see how much they have undermined the girls of the future and their right to privacy and the right to a protected sex class than get out of govt.... Delia Morris
This law will not be able to switch off what an individual dislikes or even hates, it will only add oil that fire. Humans can't switch off their emotions, just because a law says so. I am beginning to wonder where this is supposed to lead to? Will he cook up a law that outlaws love next year? Seems he has the power to do as he pleases.
Its never been about protecting people its about control and silencing people and criticism towards the government
What about visitors.
Can hotel staff report you.
In my opinion hate speech should have a very narrow definition and be limited to only threatening to harm or kill someone. Anything else could be considered rude, but I don't think it should be a crime, and shouldn't involve the law or police.
Being Scottish , from today I’m not able to freely give my opinion as I would then be liable to the Scottish thought police booting my door in ! Suffice to say I 💯 differ from that annoying Matthew guys opinion 👀🤐🏴
Will there be a booklet you can carry to reverence a hate beforehand to avoid arrest
I decided to play an April Fool joke on an acquaintance whom I know to be a self-proclaimed "liberal" and whom I suspect to be an SNP supporter, possibly voter. My idea was to make him think about the local conclusion of this legislation, so putting on my best English accent (I'm a Glaswegian with a practised English accent pulled out on 1 April every year 😀) I rang to introduce myself as representing a Company outsourced by all the major mobile phone providers. As from today, I said, given the new Hate Crime legislation, mobile phone users in Scotland must accept a new condition to continue with their contract; nobody in Scotland would be allowed to converse about any of the protected characteristics. It's not about you being forbidden from criticising anything, but you must not even speak or write about them using your phone. The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation and transgenderism so, since the Government want to wipe out hatred in Scotland, the phone companies want to make sure nothing is said or written using their phones which might break the new law. You'll receive a text right after this call to make sure you can confirm that you understand this new contract... He hung up 🤣
I’m trying to speed-run the day one special edition hate speech charges today.
I’ve been pretty offensive on social media today, but nobody will report me 😔
Probably gonna have to walk down to the town centre and start shouting some slurs soon, so I can get those day one special edition charges.
Abuse ....Abuse......to Yousaf
Once persons belief, can be another persons offence.
Why did he start going on about trans people hate crime is hate crime
I find the fact that MtF is twice as frequent as FtM FASCINATING
Only twice?@@hannahcallow6374
There should be no such thing as a 'hate crime'. There is a crime or there is not a crime. There should be no such thing as a 'non-crime hate incident'. I am citing *TWO* recent Home Secretaries on this. Why do the police continue to break the law about this?
@@hannahcallow6374only TWICE as much?
@@marieparker3822 yup. It's about 60/40.
Sounds anthropological to me
This is bringing in Blasphemy Laws by the back door - jk rowling is the deflection and distraction (al beit important) ISLAM is not allowed to be criticised
You can report DV even if you don't want a Police call out.
They will be tied up with non-crimes so the criminals can do what they want
That's more of your Freedom gone?
Matthew Stadlen - it is NOT and should NEVER be a crime to speak FACTS! You are clearly not stupid, so your motivation for refusing to acknowledge and accept this point will inevitably lead others (myself included) to conclude you have malintent and, for that malintent, you will be rightly be pilloried online.
In essence it's unenforcable. Every idiot can make a complaint for an innocent comment. We live in an age of conflation. Imagine how pro Israel supporters will use this legislation if you criticise Israel's political decisions or zionism. I bet most of the complaints will concern those two issues
I don't feel i can tell you what i am thinking anymore
They'll consider that job done then!
This is like El Salvador.
i hate butter beans...
I am sad to see every day the lost opportunity of Brexit, to keep a great nation in front globalism running by Europe. Unfortunately, you use the Brexit to run faster than Europe to the destruction. God save the Queen, we will miss her. 😢😢
Being called a child is not abusive
Snowflakes
What’s frightening about that comment is that he was being serious, a grown man intentionally or unintentionally experimenting with fascist legislation because he didn’t like being called a child. 😬😬🫣🤡
Dangerous.
Ironic that their hatred of the English, National parliament and National party have led to this... Scottish people having less "FREEDOM!!!" than any other time in living memory. As an Englishman, I dare Scots to say anything to me that would cause alarm (I'm kind of joking, but not really, I do love the Scots and they deserve better than this bed that they made themselves)
Hatred of the English has nothing to do with this, it's entirely foreign, started in Russia, perfected in eastern Germany, and blooming now in the US and UK.
This law has existed in England since 2008
We don't hate the English that's a stereotype, I genuinely don't know anyone here who doesn't like the English. My country is becoming unrecognisable I genuinely wish I could leave the UK. But its a much harder thing to do know.