Is Christmas a Pagan Holiday? (you need to lighten up)
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- Is Christmas a Pagan Holiday? (you need to lighten up)
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We are specifically commanded not to worship Yahweh as the pagans worship their gods (Deuteronomy 12:29-32). Not to not drink coffee as the pagans do or not have birthday parties for children as the pagans do.
Remember Jesus came as a sword to separate us. If that's not happening in our lives, perhaps we should re-evaluate the way in which we walk.
What? Coffee? Huh?
@@tasuda9786 Coffee is something that some Christians won't do since they believe it to be pagan.
Just making a clear distinction between how we worship Yahweh and doing other things that pagans do.
The orgins of Christmas/ Saturnalia has a very interesting history and well worth the research.
The origins of the Christmas tree/ Baal worship also has a very interesting history also worth personal research.
The Sun/halo painted behind Jesus head also has a very interesting history. Paganism is deeply rooted in today's traditions. Make you wonder why it's even practice by Christians of the past which has passed on to the traditions of today.
The same reason they celebrate Halloween 🤦🏾♀️
Also Easter
Good for grampa if he is more concerned with what is pleasing to Father God than traditions of men.
It's all paganism, Jesus was never born on the 25 December, the Bible never say that. We should celebrate Jesus everyday 🙏.
So why not celebrate on the 25th..?
Be thankful on Dec 25th also that our savior was born so that we can be separate from the world and their pagan worship, offering up child sacrifices and committing every abomination to Yahuwah unto their gods! Read Deuteronomy 12;28-32
Mark, your arguments about birthdays & cars are poor. The issue is not about living in a world marked by paganism, the issue is about worship to God. Should we bring pagan traditions into our worship to God? Absolutely not!
How many more centuries of damned shepherds must the world endure. We have been lied to and betrayed by the very people we were supposed to trust most. They just keep licking up the others vomit rather than stand for truth. YESHUA is the truth. But they even hide YESHUA name. Works of the devil 😢
Jeremiah 10.
Clear and direct.
Even speaks about the shepards and this particular subject.
Everyone wants to know what everyone else thinks about Christmas except Elohim himself.
Jeremiah 10 has nothing to do with Christmas. That's bad theology to impose a later holiday on a text that has nothing to do with it. We call it "anachronism." That's like saying Aaron and Moses sang Psalm 91 during Passover when it wasn't even written yet.
@@elijahthesamurai Jeremiah 10 has nothing to do with Christmas.........Could i ask what it is about then ?
Yeah it’s clear and direct and it’s not about Christmas trees, it’s about people cutting down trees and making idols/gods out of them. Never seen anybody worship their Christmas tree.
And the idea that Christmas trees are pagan is a myth. According to the Encyclopedia of Christmas and New Year’s Celebrations:
"The earliest known Christmas tree ornaments were apples.
Medieval actors used them to decorate the paradise tree, the central prop of the paradise play, a medieval European mystery play often performed on December 24. The apples represented the temptation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden" (p. 583).
@@elijahthesamurai Deuteronomy 12:29-32
@@scottsponaas We are specifically commanded not to worship Yahweh as the pagans worship their gods (Deuteronomy 12:29-32). Not to not drink coffee as the pagans do or not have birthday parties for children as the pagans do.
By reading the Word of God, & praying for Him to reveal any deception I had been taught in the past 25 yrs as a born again believer attending Baptist, Assembly of God & nondenominational. He quickly led my husband & I & our group to honor His Sabbath, commemorate the feasts as they all point to Messiah, rapture is at the end of trib & Easter & Xmas are pagan and how to follow his calendar to know the feasts. Wake up bride! He returns, judges and has the wedding supper of the Lamb at the fall feasts! May Yeshua give you revelation
Amen
Seems we can extrapolate from John the Baptist birth to place Jesus birth in September around tge 20th
That's right. Pastors never preach on Hebrews 4. 490 years in the wilderness for every year the Sabbath was not honored. Remnant is coming out of the fringe.
But let’s talk about teaching children to worship false idols.
Exactly, the Word clearly says that idolaters are not going to be allowed into Heaven.
@@Kimberlinz no one goes to heaven. Read your Bible.
You just said you would never impose your conscience on others, then you tell Grandpa who made it clear his conscience doesn't allow this "to come on man, get some gifts, show up, have some fun, and make some memories " ???
Just like the serpent, come on this will do you good.
Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jeremiah 10:1-4
That sounds like God is describing the Christmas tree to me. And He clearly states there to NOT do as the heathen does, then gives you the example of the decorated tree! I'm surprised that the pastor doesn't know about this passage of scripture. I say, let the Lord be your guide. Everyone is at a different place in their maturity in Christ and so, we should not be judgemental, but once a Christian learns a truth, they should share that truth. That is why I'm posting it here.
Yeah well he’s calling himself a pastor and preaching false things. That’s wrong. Misleading people and giving them bad advice that’s not good for their soul. That’s the problem with it and he knows better. If he just became Christian, then he definitely shouldn’t be preaching yet. That’s a message you give to people if you’re just about money and getting people in your door, by telling them what they want to hear and not what they’re suppose to hear.
@@OvercomeThroughJesus301 Trinity is also false. God is one. Another lie you should research
Amen
Amen!
Deuteronomy 12:30-31 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way;
This verse is your answer. If you can’t worship the Most High the way that you should you won’t be invited to the kingdom. He tells us how to glorify Him and it’s not a day full of shopping, commercialism, self reward, and chasing the world!! None of that says God!!
Amen. Truth.
I heard a message on this recently that said, it’s not about what it means to us or how we are trying to celebrate it, it matters what it means to *Him*. God is the one being worshipped and He has always been clear about not wanting other gods leftovers and slapping His name over the top of it (think of when the Israelites tried to convert other gods altars to use as the Lords- just no!).
We are so far removed from the originations of a lot of these traditions that we think they’re not a big deal or it doesn’t matter anymore but to the Lord it’s the same as if it were 100 or 1000 years ago and he remembers good and well what they mean. It would be like giving your wife a gift that was for your first wife and saying “no , no sweetie, she means nothing to me! This locket is now for you!” She’s not going to want it and neither does God. I think you, dear brother Mark, are the one who needs to wake up and check your convictions and justifications.
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
@@HalleluYAH-b5dI think there are plenty of people who come in with good intentions and it doesn’t mean that the Lord wants it. I think that this whole “issue” of Christmas is not a salvation issue because of that. If you are a Christian and choose to celebrate, I don’t think the Lord will condemn you or that you are damned, etc. Where the issue comes in is for those Christians who feel convicted in their faith to choose not to, and have reasons for it, they are being told they are legalistic, need to be examined (like Pastor Mark said) or they are just dumb. I think that’s a problem. I think there are a myriad of reasons why Christmas should not be celebrated by Christians but most people don’t want to have a discussion about it and that’s fine. But there’s a reason for the saying “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Good intentions doesn’t get you out of being accountable for what the Holy Spirit convicts you of. And if you don’t feel convicted, then that’s great. Don’t shame others who do.
@@user-wx4iq3fy4c I agree. Ive always celebrated the birth of our Lord with joy, and always had in mind that He was born to die, which made it sweet yet painful. I realized the date was wrong, but I decided that every1 I know is also celebrating in the same way for HIM, not for themselves and it was more powerful collectively as praise to Him. So He knows my heart, and its intentions. And you are right, one person decides which day is holy to them and another person, another day. We each need to decide in our hearts and be true about it, because ultimately it IS between each person and their Creator.
@@user-wx4iq3fy4c Like I said, tho, its your decision and between you and God, the same as if you dont want to et meat because of your conscience. But some believers think halloween is ok, thats where I dont agree that there cant be ANY compromise, its never ok.
@@HalleluYAH-b5dcompletely agree. The Lord convicts and leads each of us differently (I.e. some to marry and others to stay single, some to pastor, some to a different service) so where people are convicted is a personal journey. Where I disagree with Mark here is his dismissive attitude toward that Christian grandfather who does feel convicted. I also don’t like the dismissive nature towards what others use as their reasonings like it not being his actual birthday. Yes, we can celebrate it any day if you so choose but others aren’t wrong when they say 1) traditionally birthdays aren’t celebrated, 2) the Bible never asks us to celebrate this, 3) Nimrod, aka a sun god, had his birthday celebrated on December 25th and the church wanted to redeem that day, etc. there’s lots of different reasons and rationales and to belittle those is just wrong. However, you and I seem to be in agreement that Christians should be free to express the holiday (or not) in whichever way they choose; I just wish more Christians felt the same.
We are not to go by our conscience but be lead by the holy spirit that lives in us and by studying the scriptures to see if pastors like yourself our telling us the truth. The only choice we have once we know the truth is to obey.
What if we celebrate the biblical feast which are all shadows of Christ and his ministry? Why the church is not promoting and celebrating them instead of taking some pagan holiday and attach it to Christ birth. If we are so zealous of keeping Christ’s unknown birth date why can’t we celebrate the work and ministry of messiah which are truly about Christ!!
THIS!!!!!!!
That would scare the money away. All about the dollar 💰
Excellent bro
Why can't we do both, then? lol, this is whataboutism at it's finest.
True. Is christmas pagan? Yes ofc. Christianity is created by pagans. Whats the suprise. They dont followe the Bible
"Where in the Bible does it say not to put a tree in your house?" I'm disappointed in you, Mark. Read the beginning of Jeremiah 10 (posted here).
10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
God said this is a heathen practice - and we use it to celebrate Jesus? Really?
Jeremiah 10 :1-5 KJV
Thanks for that, I'm going to post the full scripture on the comments.
@@yerpp2720 we were never told the specific day that Christ died either. for you idiots that think he was Crucified on a friday and was resurrected on a sunday dont understand basic math or the 24 hour day.
I just learned the history of where Christmas came from. My husband and I both believe that we should celebrate each other and those we love throughout the year with bearing gifts not just one day a year. We also believe that we should glorify God for his great gift of Jesus Christ throughout the year. I am not going to label Christmas as a pagan holiday and those that worship Christ with remembering his birth on this particular day that they are dishonoring God. Personally this year I just decided not to celebrate Christmas in the traditional sense of buying great amounts of gifts getting a Christmas tree or decorating the house. Mainly due to my own convictions of wanting my life to totally please God and not allow any satanic influences in my home . Wanting to establish this home to be 100% Godly.
You can’t mix what is HOLY with idolatry because of your feelings
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
@@NatsariythI'm quite sure that's what Donna said
Let the Word of God declare the truth:
1)Child sacrifice: "Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?" Isa 57:5
2)Worldly customs: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." Jeremiah 10:2-4
3)God's two witnesses will be slain: "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." Rev 11:8-10
The three wise men gave gifts to Jesus at his birth, not to each other, his mother, etc....The Scriptures are very clear, and these are only a small sampling of Scriptures pertaining to what the world celebrates.
❤
Amen
Thak You for all the teaching that you provide. Jus a point of fact.
Jeus was cercumsised on the 8th day and presented at the temple a the fast of tabernacles.
This fest has allways been celbrated between September and
October. This is a proven fact.
There it concludes the Jesús was Bor within This period and could not have been born in Dicember.
Please forgive me if I cuse any contraversy
I am a Hebrew Teacher and for the past 45 years, have belived the Jesús is the one and true Messiah. 😊
Deuteronomy 12:4-5, 30-31 NLT
[4] “Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods. [5] Rather, you must seek the Lord your God at the place of worship he himself will choose from among all the tribes-the place where his name will be honored.
[30] do not fall into the trap of following their customs and worshiping their gods. Do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How do these nations worship their gods? I want to follow their example.’ [31] You must not worship the Lord your God the way the other nations worship their gods, for they perform for their gods every detestable act that the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters as sacrifices to their gods.
YHWH gave us 7 holy feast days (and a weekly sabbath!) to remember Him, His son and His goodness. No lying to our children, no worshiping like Pagans. Check them out for yourself. Leviticus 23.
Well said
Excellent
@@NoLazyBread Hes no real pastor. You think God select such a fool as a pastor. Self proclaimed.
But the thing is we don’t celebrate it like the pagans do we worship Him at our homes and churches, which Christians even did in the Bible. But also Jesus was against those who were legalistic about how things were, but at the same time were sinners and held themselves higher than anyone else and Jesus proved they were wrong it. Jesus doesn’t care about the legalism of holidays. We as Christians celebrate Him in our hearts and with loved ones. That is honoring to God. Paul talks about praying without ceasing and to not stop honoring and worshiping God at a specific time or place, but wherever and whenever. The bible also talks about not eating meat that was sacrificed to other Gods, but we don’t and we wouldn’t if we knew it was, but we don’t know if the meat in stores was sacrificed to other God. Jesus said that after He died and rose again that the law is written on our hearts and He knows our hearts even in times of celebration. I consider in everything I do if it is honoring Him or not.
@@andrewmallard1974 law in heart is to keep. Or its not in heart. Read Jeremiah 31 what the new covenant is about. Messiah spoke against tradition not according to the law. Not Against Gods laws himself kept. Sin again is to break the law. The heart is wicked who knows it. You Dont know God
You are an amazing pastor but you need to speak truth and stop sugarcoating celebrating pagan feasts, idolatry, falsehoods of golden calf and Jesus not born in December. Jeremiah 10, reread revelation and 1john about lukewarm Christians who do what the world and pagans do, mixing Lord with pagan traditions. You know better and it is a shame just going along with the narrative it's so deceptive and demonic. The real legalistic people here are the ones defending Christmas and traditions rather biblical Scripture - Jesus was angry at religious leaders for adding to and mixing traditions with law. You're doing that with paganism and calling it Christian and making excuses. I hope you pray hard on this one pastor Mark
No, he's not amazing.
You were one of my favorite Pastor's on youtube. Not anymore. All you did was mock christians who are walking in obedience and the truth and justified and made excuses for your disobedience. We are in this world but we are not of this world and we do not enjoy or partake in the things of this world, the lust of the eyes, the flesh and the pride of life. I hoping and praying you will examine your heart and repent for twisting God's word.
Jesus said to remember his death, early christians did not celebrate birthdays!
Besides that ...... What gifts do you give to Christ on Dec 25? Unless spoiling heathen children brings Him glory, which it does not.
Check out Robert breaker for some awesome breakdowns on these holidays! Everyone read your BIBLE. Man’s opinion is just that. Gods word is Just.
Yeah I'm with grandpa on this one. If you really went deep into the history and meanings behind the symbolisms you could never reconcile Christmas with the worship and acknowledgement of Christ.
Absolutely agree
Sure you can. Let's pretend Christmas was actually a pagan holiday(btwt, it's not, no Pagan holiday falls on Dec 25th), you're not saying "okay, we'll celebrate this pagan holiday but make it good" you're celebrating the birth of Christ on the day that was possibly his actual birthday(there's some strong evidence it was, though it isn't 100%). How could you say that's wrong?
I agree grandpa have just cause for not agreeing with the kids, sounds like the pastor would also want the kids to call the cops to have grandpas gun taken away.
@@haachamachama7saturnalia falls the evening of dec 24th in lunar calendar is dec 25
They worshipped Saturn on that day.
Why waste time with man-made religiousity and arguments while IGNORING GOD's appointed times? Does Christmas CONTAIN pagan ideas and imagery, YES. Does it contain worldly commerialized aspects? YES!
At the end of the day, there is A LOT of argument about a man made tradition, and yet the church ignores and writes off GOD's apponted times as "jewish holidays" that we dont need to keep.
This guy here nailed it!
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
@user-co2li1vd5d unfortunately, I don't think it's a matter of what it means to us, bit rather, what it means to GOD himself. The israelites thought they were worshiping YHWH when they made the golden Calf... and they were judged harshly for it.
@@WanderingR0gueThat's true.
SUNday, MOONday, TYRESday, ODENSday, THORSday, FREYAday, SATURNday!
Yup, our calender days and months are pagan, too. It's everywhere because we live in a world run by Satan for now. When Jesus returns, He'll teach us the right ways and order everything His way.
We live in a pagan society, the symbols on clothes or cars are pagan. But I bet folks won’t give those things up.
Good point. Thank you for the reminder.
You cannot serve two masters sir!
So you're saying we should accept paganism because the world embraces it?
That has been the customs passed on for centuries, makes you wonder how it was inserted initially.
Roman Catholic Church has done a lot of damage to the church
Christianity is pagan. Messiah say he came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Not christianity. We need to be crafted into Messiah followe hes God and hes Father. Keep the statues, commands and laws in him
@@Jan.Martin.Brenden you should read Acts 13: v 42-52
@@Jan.Martin.Brenden The Gentiles Ask to Hear the Gospel
42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 43Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. 45But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. 46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. 50But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts. 51But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium. 52And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.
the answer is yes, yes it is pagan.
If we got rid of all the pagan holidays, we would have jewish festivals, imagine that, our God, who was a jew, keeping jewish traditions, who told us to keep the torah.......hmmmmm 🤔
That just came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Said by himself. Christianity is wicked. Messiah did not come to create pagan Christianity
Imagine indeed, the Jewish chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask for Barabbas to be replaced on the TREE by Jesus Christ, betrayed by his own Jewish people.
They aren’t Jewish festivals. They are Gods feast days. Given to His children in Leviticus 23 before the split of Israel. Before the people of Judah had been labeled “Jews”. The feast days of the Bible are God’s …. Not Jewish.
Nothing in the bible prohibits heroin either, this is a horrible argument and I can't believe this is coming from a pastor.
Blind leading the blind or a Judas sheep I wonder.
well said.
Good point.
I completely agree.
Christmas is pagan. Also if you are celebrating Santa then you are "lying" to your kids. Do not lie it is a part of the ten commandments. Also Jesus wasn't even born in December, why is it that we celebrate it then..its because the sun God Mithras, was born December 25th and they chose Jesus birthday be the same day so they could all celebrate it on one day( look it up). Anyways why would anyone want to support that? If it's about Jesus then celebrate in September and don't celebrate it near this outrageous holiday. It's okay to be around family and share gifts but do not speak of christ and then celebrate these types of things.
We have four children and we no longer celebrate holidays since we became born again in Christ. I understand if my family wants to celebrate it but they do not push us too.
Yahusha was born on the feast of Sukkoth aka Feast of Tabernacles. He came to tabernacle with us. It was in the time of the harvest, and their was no room in the inn so he was born in a Sukkoth. It was the time of census and the first genocide of the first born males. Christianity is in a CREED to Catholicism
Every preacher likes to say, " no one knows when Christ was born" but many many old timers know and pass it on...but are ridiculed. It can be proven by tracing the dates of The Course of Abijah, when Zachariah served in the temple. It's not rocket surgery and your post is correct!
I got so confused because I just discovered your channel. I’m thinking “He sounds like Pastor Mark” but that can’t be him 😂 I celebrate Christmas for the sake of my 2 year old. But I’m iffy about it. I don’t think the names Santa - Satan is a coincidence.
The modern figure of Santa Claus is derived from the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, whose name is a dialectal pronunciation of Saint Nicholas, the historical Greek bishop. - from English language and usage. - The name "Santa Claus" comes from a dialect of Dutch, where the word was "Sante Klaas".
@@Susan-hu1gt Fun fact, legend has it he got killed by the Catholics for giving gifts to kids. And yeah, the name looking like Satan is a coincidence. lol
Well you should stop. Start read the Bible from the begining. Its blaspheme
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
Pastor Mark’s very high stock just took a big hit. How about Jeremiah 10 and the fact that Leviticus 23 does not include it? He is spreading worldly conclusions instead of biblical wisdom.
What about the new covenant? Do you follow to the letter of the Levitical law or do you live in grace because I'd be worried for you eternal spirit if you aren't living in grace or did our Lord Jesus Christ come and she'd his blood for nothing?
I see now, he is blind.
@@garethmccartan3636Yahshua did not die for people to keep sinning. Read your own comment. You making a fool out of yourself
👉🏻👉🏻👉🏻 I’ll tell you what is grievous ~ NOT keeping the true Sabbath! When God created the world in which we live, He said to keep the Sabbath holy. Sabbath is the seventh day.
Sunday is NOT Sabbath. Saturday IS the Sabbath.
Maybe people arguing against Christmas & other events should rethink their position on this topic!!!
You are correct: Sunday is not the Sabbath day, the seventh day of the week. Bear in mind that God's instruction to keep the Sabbath was given to Israel and is only mentioned in the Old Testament. However, Jesus -- who said He came to fulfill the Law and bring a new covenenant to all believers (Jews AND Gentiles) -- was resurrected on Sunday, the first day of the week. Additionally, Acts 20 provides evidence the the early Church met on the first day of the week to break bread and remember Christ's death and resurrection, as well as to minister to one another. The New Testament also informs us that early Christians still met in local synagogues sometimes during the week, but it gives no mention of Saturday being a special day to be observed by Christians. Christ came to free us from the Law.
@@jockdasher6151 clearly you forgott the first sentence in fulfill. Do not. I repeat DO NOT think i came to destroy the law or the prophets. Then why you think fullfilled means destroy. He said Think NOT. Why you thinking it. So brainwashed you fall out one sentence after. Wake up. Messiah preach to uphold the law. Paul aswell
@@Jan.Martin.Brenden Jesus didn't come to destroy the law; He came to fulfill it. If you read ALL of the Bible, you'll learn that the Law could never truly save anyone; it only served to show mankind that no one could keep the entire Law. You break one Law, you break THE Law. That's why Jesus said He was the fulfillment of the Law. His sacrifice on the cross atoned for all sin, something that neither animals sacrifices or the Law could not do. Jesus instituted a New Convenant, apart from the Law -- to Jews AND Gentiles -- and He said there are only TWO commandments: Love God with all your heart, soul and mind; and love your neighbor as yourself. The New Convenant brought freedom from the Law, not bondage to it. Check out the book of Romans.
@@jockdasher6151 Sin is to break Gods laws 1 john 3,4. Sin remains the same. What change is a better sacrifice. Then we are bought higher and are more guilty to walk in justice. Not to spitt on the sacrifice. Keeping tradition of man over God. Paul hold the law of Moses aswell as Messiah. We se in clear action in acts. Like today they thought he preached against Moses. He did not. He showed it with actions (the cleansing). This is no discussion. Also you cant love thy God and also break hes laws. Messiah say the law is til its no more heaven or earth. Not a title from the law to disappeared. You disobey the Messiah with church doctrines. The sacrifice is fulfilled. The law is not destroyed. Your the one who need to read
@@Jan.Martin.Brenden I have, and I pray that the scales fall from your eyes. Out.
It’s really simple people, if God wanted us to celebrate or remember his birthday, he would have instructed us to do so! The Apostles nor the church in Acts never did. Paul would have told us too,only his death and resurrection,feast days of Yahweh. Quit trying to justify making something evil good!
So NO Christmas and no birthdays, they are pegan. Thank you Mark for clarifying.
Nope, no pagan holiday took place on Dec 25th and Jesus more than likely was born in December. Even if he wasn't, Mark's point is you can take something evil and redeem it for good. What harm is there in taking what used to be an evil day(even if it was, it wasn't, btw) and celebrating good on it? That's called redemption and it takes power away from the enemy.
@@haachamachama7clearly your brainwashed. He imply he admitted its pagan. So therefore we cant mix paganism with God. Simple logic. So thank you for clarify. Even he tries to twist it later on to celebrate paganism. Its a joke of hes ignorance
@@Jan.Martin.Brenden Just because Mark Driscoll thinks it is doesn't mean it is. You're brainwashed into thinking Christmas is pagan. I used to be brainwashed too, Satan wants to desecrate Jesus' birthday by turning Christians against it. It NEVER was a Pagan holiday.
@@haachamachama7the evening of dec 24th saturnalia in lunar calendar is dec 25th
@@timothyjudge3945 No it isn't, Saturnalia occurs dec 17-23, depending on the calender. Never on the 24th
Jeremiah 10
King James Version
10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Christmas is a pagan holiday. It comes from the celebration of the winter solstice. That’s why we celebrate on Dec. 25. The shortest day of the year and the sun comes out. So people worshiped the sun and Saturn-the god of agriculture.
actually the shortest day is December 21st thank you for showing your ignorance
@@tonygermain8854 I’m sure you got the point, genius.
@@annalisagentile6028 yeah the point I got is you have no clue what you are taking about
@@tonygermain8854 Good
December 25th is the sun gods Mithras birthday ...that is when it was celebrated
I don’t celebrate Christmas but I don’t condemn people who do. How much you love and trust Jesus in your heart is far more important than whether you spend one day a year celebrating Christmas. That being said, I don’t allow anything Santa in this house. Just the name gives me the creeps. My child won’t be taught Santa either. He’ll know that Christmas time is for generosity, showing kindness to your fellow man, and most importantly the birth of our savior, Jesus.
God Bless. Santa feels like Satan. He is super creepy. Don't believe the stories about St. Nicholas. They feel contrived. Discernment is key.
No where in the Bible does it say to celebrate the birth of Christ. And if we were to do it probably should happen around Sukkot. Lev 23.
Allow the Christian (grumpy grandpa) to have his own conviction on the matter.
Be careful, brother. Don’t mock those who choose to come out of deception
Yes I do not want to participate as you said "as many first Christians did with saturnalia! " . If You paint snake gold colour it still bait . ....
So... God is incapable of redemption?
1Co 10:21 KJV Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
I think you are taking romans 14 way out of context..
Jesus was born in April sometimes. The Bible says do not worship Him the way the pagans worship their gods. Do not conform to this world. Thou shall not lie. But how many church's say Dec 25th is Jesus birthday?. Im with grandpa
Nice
God bless everyone
Jesus was simple and lowly. Let's use him as our example to navigate life in all aspects.
I always heard that a lot of pagan (Roman) holidays were brought into the church in the third century to try to minimize pagan practices. Is that correct?
Roman church replaced Passover with Easter, and turned Saturnalia into Christmas. It's not biblical to promote or celebrate either, or Valentine's day. The reason for the season is Nimrod. That is who underhandedly gets glory on these dates....do what God says, not what pastor mark says please
No, They were brought into the church to bring money to the church and to normalize pagan practices
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
@@tasuda9786 Thank you! Saturn is what I couldn't recall. I've been absolutely fascinated with church history lately.
@@HalleluYAH-b5d yes He looks at the heart. That is our problem. The Israelites we're scattered because of mixing pagan with holy....beware..He loves you and needs you to do things His way...not Him conforming to what you think should be acceptable to Him. I pray He gives you understanding..❤️. I'm not saying the way you do it is wrong.....you may bring God glory on any day you desire. Blessings🙏
Jeremiah 10 clearly tells us not do the tree. This guy doesn’t know the scripture. Birthdays could be considered pagan. Christmas is shrouded in the blood of the innocent. We don’t worship cars. People worship fertility symbols like wreaths and trees. We are told not to learn the ways of the he’s then.
Read the Bible bro
No hate! I love you and your sermons !
My wife just sent a comment, and i wanted also to share a little bit more ....a penny for your thoughts....seleh (pause and think about it)....the year 2023 and beyond, the world is headed into perilious times....as it was in the days of noah...so shall it be...and men did what seems right in their own eyes,for they love not the truth of the gospel. The peoples are adhearing to doctrines of devils to have their ears tickled.....sothey wont feel guilty to justify their own actions....we are called to be set apart from the world so that there is a destinction between the holy and profane...when you compromise so no one is offended then you become lukewarm....and i think we know the rest of the story there...as far as christmas ....yashua (God's salvation), was conceived at hannukkah, (the light of the world), and came to dwell among us, (and the word became flesh) at tabernacles....by the way Christ--isnt Jesus's last name, in biblical times they didnt have last names they used so and so son or daughter of.... christ is latin and means annointed one, ....in the end once you know the truth you become accountable for it,let peace rule your heart, in the end time the love of many will wax cold there shall be a great falling away of loving the truth of the gospel loving God, and keeping His commandments and many shall become offended.....my friends we are there in those times now...
It's about compromise, and your morality reflecting from it
I believe that Jesus looks at the heart and the intentions of the celebration. There are some symbols that are undoubtedly pagan, like the tree, the wreath and of course santa anything is a total crock. I pulled my tree into its 3 pcs, reflecting the triune God, and placed a nativity on the top to symbolically place a pagan "green tree' under His feet and it shall glorify Him instead. A wooden church on the second one. I hung the star over the nativity along with a few angels. God knows what my heart intends
Yes we do know when he was born. Well not to the day, but we do know it was around July. It has been researched based on that the counting of the folks wasn’t done every day. Also not every year. We know what leader ruled when Jesus was born so it’s only a matter of research to find out when that ruler ruled and during his reign he wanted to count his people. That will tell you when he was born. There are books outside of religious books that describe Jesus and John the Baptist. All these sources can be used to find out it was around July
I think most, like myself, dont like the "Santa" part overriding the virgin birth of our Savior. Even most christian homes still support the Santa story to the small children, up to the point they feel safe to tell them that he doesn't exist. As a grumpy old 63 year old, I find the Santa story just as disturbing as the Easter bunny. Neither has a place in christian homes.
You are wrong again Mark......read your Bible.
Cant glorify God in paganism. Thats very clear in scripture. God already have hes appointed times (feast day). Also it says much about trees in scripture and they worship (pagan) also jeremiah 10 can be applied to trees aswell as pictures. Also God commanded to not take the traditions from Egypt over to Canan. It is death over it. So its no mixing of tradition. God dont change. Heart is wicked, who knows it. Its nothing in the Bible against Christmas. What a big lie. God cover pagan tradition well in scripture. Hypocrite
XMAS is totally pagan and should NOT be celebrated. It's Nimrod's Birthday not Jesus's.
Stop justifying to yourself that it's "ok" those of you who still celebrate it,
Enoch (PROPHET)
so Mark you’re taking scripture out of context regarding purity. He was only referring to Paul’s ministry of the Gentiles and that all people can be pure. it does not mean we can do or EAT anything we want. Malachi 3:6 God does not change
Not legalism, but Christ Colossians 2:16-23
Im with grandpa
There's such a thing as discernment, and dividing. Satans lies always are a mixup of truth and lies. So there needs to be some unraveling and editing. Jesus was born on 1st of Nisan, Jewish scholars have utilised all clues in the bible to figure out. Thats around end of March start of April.
Every day of the year and every symbol has been used by pagans in some shape or another. God mentioned festivals in alignment with the stars in Genesis
Jeramiah 10 specifically speaks against the Christmas tree. To answer you question. God says do not worship him the way pagans
worship their gods.
How do you know its the same tree? God is in the business of redemption anyway. So even if these were originally pagan, they haven't been for a long time and have been redeemed by Christ. He even went so far as to make Saint Nicholas a part of Christmas for his selfless deeds. The very name itself "Christmas" is mass of Christ! This is not a pagan holiday. An evil pagan religion being erased and replaced by Christ is the very essence of redemption and a massive win for God.
To those sincerely and deeply seeking/searching for truth: Pastor Robert Breaker (You Tube) provides a very detailed teaching on Christmas, which is supported by a plethora of historical facts. Some of the content includes the pagan origin of the tree; the lies about St. Nicholas (made up cover for Santa [Satan]); Nimrod (Nimrod's birthday is December 25). Its well done. It is an eye opener. I humbly and graciously recommend listening and....at least considering other possibilities.
I am not disagreeing with Pastor Mark Driscoll...but am attempting to bring additional awareness of satanic distortions of Christian holidays. Satan has been twisting and perverting everything that is Godly, in attempt to steer us away from Biblical/God truths.
Most Christians have come up in apostate churches. There are more apostate churches than true Biblical churches. It's a challenge facing most of us. Catholicism is loaded with paganism. Mormonism is a distortion of Christianity. And then there are the apostate churches...and groups...Osteen...Hinn....Meyers....etc.
Its difficult to be different. Its difficult to refuse to participate in Christmas traditions that we have been faithfullly following for years...but the path is narrow and we are being asked to make important choices. Its up to us to determine what choices feel in alignment with Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
One cannot honor God, while simultaneously practicing Paganism and paying hommage to Santa (satan).
As we become closer to God and more immersed in the Word, the false beliefs and traditions fall away.
May we all peel the scales back from our eyes and open to the truth. God Bless.
Meyers? Joyce Meyers?
Christ is to be celebrated every day, but if youvwant to promote gifts and commercialism and going into debt, go for it. You yhe ones being conned
After reading Jeremiah 10 a couple years ago, I was shocked that it described what seemed to be a Christmas tree. I cannot in good conscience put up a tree now. It just feels wrong. I have many Christian friends that love decorating at Christmas. Getting into the “Christmas Spirit”. I don’t know what to think about that….
Lord, what do you think?
Some folks get more wisdom as they age....for you to tell folks to get Gramps analyzed is very messed up advice. Older people know things you dont but good luck with your fashion show and truck givaway. You are so cool, the world loves you pastor mark.
I had only just found his teachings and sad to see he contradicts the Word so quickly and openly. Lots of lost people hurting people this man and those like him are leading to Hell. The Word says the time is short and there are few of us working in the fields.
Messianic Jew here.
For everyone bashing Christmas let me tell you:
Its the 1 day that Jesus gets recognized around the world and you want to take the recognition of Him away?
Half the Church doesnt even celebrate Christmas on December 25th so it a moot point to bash the 25th which is symbolic.
Everything in the world is touched by the fallenness of sin. Everything has been used for idolatry and paganism at some point. Sex has been used for pagan purposes, but you aren't doing away with sex in marriage.
All of history is tainted and none of us judge others who sincerely worship Him on a day He created whether Jesus was born on it or not at least people are celebrating Him. At that there were times God rebuked Israel for celebrating the right feasts, the right days, but with the WRONG heart and motive.
The feast of Lev.23 never changed but even Purim and Hanukkah are "added" feasts. Rosh HaShanah and was a time when Kings went to battle so there were lots of things in the ancient near east that God redeemed like Pastor Mark says. Not everything in Israel's culture in the Torah is original but God gave the true record and implementation of such.
Jeremiah 10
The flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit lusts against the flesh. The eyes are the windows to the soul. The flesh see’s the evil in the world or The spirit see’s the good in the world. Are you looking through the eyes lead by the spirit?
*I don't put a tree in my house for Christmas, I put a stand for the star of Bethlehem in my house that happens to be a tree with lights and ornaments.*
(not a "grove" on the high places - big difference).
But you totally skipped over Santa. Yes he was a saint but the false story of Santa has completely taken the place of our Lord Jesus. Not to mention giving our children false hope and lying to them.
My atheist college professors preached the same anti Christmas rhetoric... When my Christian sister started echoing them, visions of red flags danced in my head.
Merry CHRISTmas, y'all!! ❤
What if your husband is like th grandpa and you don't agree with him and want to celebrate Christmas? 😢
I Iike your Volkswagen example, but Would love some biblical examples of false religious traditions being redeemed. Thanks
It's weird to see Christians protesting Christmas, the solution is EASY, just remove consumerism for the holiday and keep it about Jesus. My family doesn't give gifts at Christmas, we just spend time together, enjoy good food and pray.
I feel like we was about to say “there is no Christian murder” but stopped cause there’s a LOT of Christian murder lolol
In my early years, I owned five different VWs. I loved them. Course I ask God to bless my cars that I won't die in any of them. Still here.
Mark 7: 13
SHOULD YOU CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS? THE VIDEO THAT ENDS THE DEBATE by TRUTHUNEDITED will clear this up for everyone. Let no man device you, There are many wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Yes I've seen the video. No Christian should celebrate this man-made holiday..
The woman who worked to create Mothers Day ended up spending the rest of her life campaigning to get people to stop celebrating it once it became commercialized.
I think his point is bizarre. We are told not to follow the worlds holidays, period. He is worldly.
It is not true that "we do not know" when Yahusha was born--the Torah outlines it from within an understanding of the biblical feasts and times
It’s pagan
I will always celebrate Christmas to honor Jesus. The origin does not matter to me at all as long as my intention is for the glory of God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit❤🇵🇭
We don’t get to worship our Lord the way we please.
It matters to God! If you don't believe that check out Exodus. God clearly does not want to be worshipped the same way as pagans worship. He's better than that and deserves better than that. The Israelites built a golden calf to honor God for bringing them out of slavery but they did it the only way they had been taught, the way the Egyptian honored their gods. This greatly displeased the Lord and he punished them for 40 years because of it. How you worship the one true God matters to him!
@@athenarider1908 Well said
Wrong. God says no other gods before me. God doesn't care what it means to you. He cares that you honor His laws. Honoring Christmas is like committing adultery and then wanting your husband to take you back. It's sticky. Jeremiah 10 gives you all the answers. Matthew 15:8-9, Mark 7:7-8.
@@athenarider1908did you even watch this video? He literally says most of the traditions used now for christmas are christian
Pastor Driscoll. Aren't the very days of the week, linked to paganism?
It is at the same time as the festival of Yule which was Anglo Saxon and Viking winter festival. It was a chance for people to have something to look forward to in the dead of winter. It did involve drinking and eating big feasts and coming together to get through the winter. I may be wrong but i think Yule was around the shortest day so after the festival it was onwards and upwards towards spring.
@@Scybertine ❤️ happy Jul!
During winter solstice, saturnalia and mithra's bday
Mark is showing his ignorance of scripture.
Regarding birthdays, didn't Job's children gather for a birthday celebration toward the beginning of the book? That was the interpretation of the passage I've been taught.
To your point about removing oneself from worldly influences, we are to be light and salt while we exist *in* this world. My pastor would often tell us, don't get wrapped up in worldly things, but don't swing the pendulum so far the other direction that you become so Heavenly-minded you end up being no earthly good!😅
His lies won't cover your sin! I highly advise you go to God for the answers on pagan holidays. Not some man. The more people that believe this man are only adding more judgment onto his plate. Save yourself and help Mark out a little at the same time!❤ Be a lover of Truth!
I had a lot of hope for Pastor Driscolls response but sadly am disappointed. He preaches so much about strong male leadership but shuns and mocks this father for being convicted and wanting to lead and correct his family in the truth of The Word that was shown to him, seems quite hypocritical to me. There is in fact a verse about cutting and adoring trees, surprised on his ignorance of that. And that comparison to Volkswagen is beyond a stretch and such a silly argument! Many things in our society have been created by pagans or non-christians, but no one is using their car as a means of worship or honor to our Savior, we don't need to repackage a holiday, when we were told when and for what purpose, are His Holy Days. He does care, very much, how we worship Him, and He has made that clear throughout His word, it's a shame so many "religious leaders" will tell you otherwise. Study to show yourselves approved.
This is powerful. You are right. Yeshua's last sermon was about hypocrisy and Cherry picking. You can't fight darkness with more darkness. Come out of her or you will go down with her. Rev 18"4
Grandpa does not lead his adult kids, they're not his immediate family. Legalism and stubbornness is not strength. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas
@@MarkDriscollMinistries the person who wrote the letter seemed to have respect and appreciation for his insight as an elder, he may no longer be his adult childrens leader but they are in fact his immediate family, that doesn't change based on age. You could have responded with that, encouraging respectful interaction between them, and making decisions for their family as adults, as opposed to your snarky and disparaging remarks and accusations toward an elder in their family and guided them through a real issue that does come between family members. How is seeking to follow the word of God in truth and obedience, legalism? That seems to be the go to phrase when a reasonable rebuttal or proof of your argument based on scripture cannot be given. Or is it that you think the laws have been abolished and we no longer are required to keep HIS commandments? You can gather, clearly, from my initial comment that I do not celebrate christmas. Not sure what you mean by stubbornness, pettiness and a self righteous demeanor are also not a show of strength, and also not a very good example to those that see you as a teacher.
Jesus told us to celebrate his death til he comes.
Christmas is a pagan holiday point blank
Yes the bible said Jesus was born in tax time. Christmas was rooted in paganism.
I've been challenged in the meaning of Christmas several times. Christmas is about Jesus Christ and mass. We are supposed to go to church Christmas day and celebrate baby Jesus. The Pope, over a thousand years ago, decided December 25th is Jesus' birthday and set the standard. The Christmas Tree in America came from the German celebration tree that was brought over by immigrants, that is a pine tree. The fourteenth President of the United States, Franklin Pierce, put up the first Christmas tree in the White House. The whole point of Christmas is about baby Jesus, goodwill toward Mankind, and celebration of Jehovah's mercy. The idea of Santa Claus is a pagan holiday, where it is a counterfeit of Christmas: Instead of angels, we have elves; instead of mercy before each other in Christ's forgiveness, we get material gifts; Santa has his own stories; Santa is judge instead of Jesus (naughty or nice).
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In short, Christmas isn't in the Holy Bible, it is a celebration of Jesus, and this is appropriate. There is nothing wrong with celebrating Jesus.
God made it very clear, Not to worship him as the Pagans Worship their God's.
What you basically doing is justifying "compromise" Making up scenarios to go against his very word...
Deuteronomy 12:29-32 NKJV
“When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘HOW DID these NATIONS SERVE THEIR gods? I also will do likewise.’ YOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD IN THAT WAY; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
Conscience does not supercede the very word of God. We don't get to pick and choose which of God's rules we can break to satisfy pagan traditions of man.
If one is led by the Holy Spirit, they don't justify disobedience to God.
Been pagan. Will always be pagan.
If you celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th yes you are practicing paganism. If you put up a evergreen tree, tell your kids Santa is real, celebrate with a huge meal, or anything other than attending church and remembering Jesus, you are practicing paganism. My family didn’t celebrate Christmas and still do not. We do not celebrate because we don’t attend church.
Grumpy grandpa? That's blasphemy..... He is trying to walk in Righteousness and not sin. Shame on you. You have no fear of YHWH😢