Brian Windhorst thinks the Knicks are after A GIANT FISH & Thibs’ coaching style | Get Up
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- On Get Up, Jay Williams, Tim Legler, Brian Windhorst and Monica McNutt join Mike Greenberg to discuss:
0:00 Jalen Brunson leaves the Game 7 loss with a fractured hand
1:00 Knicks’ injuries
5:30 Concerns for stars?
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No Knicks fans are blaming thibs it’s literally just the media pushing that narrative
No real fans anyway
I’ve been a Knick fan for 20 years and I’m blaming thibs lol
Thank You For Being Honest. Only Media Make Believe
Right the media player haters .
No, ya'll only said it all year
The Knicks Injury Report looks like there Starting 5
It is
Because it is and 2 rotational players too. By the end of the game they had 5 with season ending injuries and 2 with major injuries.
What happens when you don't utilize your roster, then you end up having to use the guys you don't use then they look lost.
It is lol
@@ignaziobowen9217 we can make excuses. WE are not in the NBA. The Knicks would sweep the pacers if healthy.
This is an unfair narrative. The players who played the most minutes - Brunson, Divencenzo, Hart, & Hartenstein, we’re not the players who were most injured.
Julius Randle and Mitch missed majority of the season due to freak injuries. Anunoby was in and out of the lineup almost since his arrival to NY. And Bogdanovic, the 8th man in the rotation, suffered an unfortunate ankle injury in which a player landed on his foot.
The media is trying to point the finger without actually knowing this team very well.
The media is looking at Thibs track record. He drove my Bulls in the ground. DRose was playing in a game late when the Bulls were up. There was no need to have him on the court. DRose got injured changed his whole career. Jokim Noah was playing on 2 injured knees also. Thibs is a good coach but, he grinds his players in the ground.
He pulled OG in the first half because he knew he couldn’t go. Freak injuries this season not minutes. Nova guys played crazy minutes 2 injured in plays that have nothing to do with exhaustion. Bogie injury was a dirty play.
@wedabrutes9048 Yall still whining about your only star in the last 20 years being made of glass and playing like a foo? He was too explosive for his own good.
The media hasn't pointed any fingers. Everyone in the media is defending Thibs.
Thank you!!!!
Coach Thibs has brought the Knicks back to relevancy.
He has earned his future as the Head Coach of NY
Great y'all ain't going nowhere and perhaps should put a clinic in your Knicks gym
What about Leon Rose? What about Brunson?
@@25lighters91 most of the injuries were freak injuries due to contact not fatigue related injuries.
Noones arguing anything except is he a detriment to the players health thats the fkn question
Yet he injured five players…again
Tom “You gone earn these millions” Thibodeau
😂😂
This era of instant gratification and sports needs to stop. The Knicks had a lot of injuries to major key players. They need to just run this team back again no need to add no other players you bring booker he doesn’t play defense. That means you’re too lead guards don’t play defense that is not smart. Leave the team as is everyone needs to relax.
Knicks worked through injuries and 'next man up' to a level they get my MVP trophy for guts so far in these playoffs.
One thing we know for sure is that are bench is are 2nd starting 5, run it back again...
** GRAMMAR ALERT **
@@thekongstocks *** dumbazz alert ***
@@thekongstocks Is your gramma on alert? Last I checked she was gum-bumping dudes for $20 down off Crenshaw
3:52 "Imagine Bogdanovic in a series like this at 6 foot 10 with his shot making and his defense." Well yes, you would have to imagine it, because Bogdanovic is 6'7".
Exactly what I was thinking...😂 No way that dude plays defense either lol I know bc he was on the Pacers
Bogey doesn't play defense😂
This woulda been the rotation if the Knicks were healthy. Run it back Thibs!
Starters:
1. Brunson
2. DiVincenzo
3. Anunoby
4. Randle
5. Robinson
Bench:
6. Hart
7. Hartenstein
8. Bogdanović
9. McBride
10. Achiuwa
Thibs would’ve had a rotation if he used it during the regular season. Nobody is blaming him for the playoff rotations, but why tf are Brunson, DiVincenzo, Hart, and Anunoby playing 40 mins a night in the regular season?
Yall would have lost in the first round had the 76ers been healthy
He would’ve had Alex burks as well
@@wilhelm4321If the Sixers were healthy they wouldn't have been the 7th seed.
@@wilhelm4321If both teams were healthy, Knicks beating the 76ers 95% of the time, stop it😂
Media roasting Pop for load managing his players.😂
Also, the media is roasting Thibs for playing his players for more minutes than usual .😂
Knicks Fan here, I think Thibs did the best he could do given the injuries. I will say that he should've given more time to Alec Burks and Jericho Sims towards the end of the season to extend the rotation. Burks became a real weapon in this series.
Their Rotation when healthy: Brunson, DDV, OG, Randle, IHart, Mitch, Hart, Deuce, Bogan, Precious & Burks. That's 11 guys. They lost 4 of them plus Hart, Brunson and IHart playing hurt. This WAS a deep team, they all just got hurt at the worst times. Can't blame this all on Thibs for this. Yes he should've played Burks more and that Sixers series DRAINED them.
I'd love for them to make some minor tweaks to the bench and run it back with a healthy OG and Randle. Unless the Stars are: Booker or Giannis i don't really want to sell the farm for one player. I'd love for them to swing something for a Mikal Bridges (Durable, plays great D and shoots the 3 plus the ability to score 20 points).
Sims was unplayable,Burks unreliable.Not really a contender players.Boggy and OG were a miss injury wise this season,but a great players if healthy.
Mikal Bridges on the Knicks roster I think would fit in so well. Like you say, plays D and can score. A bit difficult to pull away from the Nets. The roster as it is if healthy would be fine to run it back with Thibs as coach. I think they could get some reinforcements through the draft. Not sure what the draft class looks like but I'd go for someone that's played 4 years of college ball and is NBA ready.
Mikal would make us worse and wouldn’t make us contenders. We would get killed in the paint by teams like Milwaukee, Philly and the teams out west. If we were to add him to the current team then that’s a good point but switching Randle and Mikal creates more questions than answering the current ones.
@@angelmercedes2029 Good point, but I do feel that Mikal would be a good fit as long as they don't give out the farm for him. Thinking of it now, it would be difficult to put him in a starting line up.
People keep acting like mitch was a rotational player. When he was healthy he was in the starting 5 and hartenstein was on the bench. It was brunson, OG, randle, mitch and donte. People commenting dont know the knicks team
Most Knicks fans I know love Thibs. Not sure how he’s to blame. He’s literally the perfect coach for the Knicks.
I wouldn't say perfect. He has done well in NY, but there are coaches out there who would have done a lot better.
Most Knicks fans i know do not love Thibs but are sitting quietly while they are winning. Watch how fast they turn on him if Brunson gets hurt next season playing the same amount of minutes.
WHERE was this energy for Darvin Hams job. (Not arguing whether not this should be fired or comparing the coach. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the media.)
Darvin ham ain't that good brother
Stop it lol u trying to compare them is to funny
@@joshuaclarendon9829Lebron hire because he can walk all over him, rest and stat pad, no real desire to win just stack money off the LA brand.
@@youngfleatwhat has thibs achieved......I'll wait
Timeout timeout time... If only he knew how to say those 2 words.
Prior to Randle's injury in late January (when the team was already dealing with Robinson's injury and traded 2 players for 1 in the OG trade) had no player in the top 20 in MPG, the team's top minutes players were Brunson at 35 mpg and Randle at 34 mpg, no other player was playing more than 32 mpg. 35/34 MPG is right where star players play, Tatum was 35 mpg and Brown 33 mpg respectively this past season for reference and that was probably driven lower due to the amount of blowouts they had.
It wasn't until while dealing with Robinson's injury and then Randle and OG getting hurt in late January while also having other players miss 1-2 weeks like DiVinchenzo and Brunson that they had to lean on players to play heavy minutes. And even then Thibs dug into his bench playing Precious and Burks more when needed. The Knicks got hit hard by the injury bug from late January on and most of the injuries were "freak" occurrences.
Thibs always had 10 playable guys in the regular season. He didn't have to play Hartenstein all star minutes after the injuries. He's a backup center. Thibs played him like 38 minutes per game until he broke down. He could have played Precious more. He didn't have to play Josh Hart 40 minutes or Donte 38 minutes because Deuce and Bojan were available.
Other coaches are able to get minutes out of "unplayable" players in the regular season. Especially plug and play players like Alec and Bojan. Jericho could have gotten some more burn. This team has talent. You guys keep acting like the squad is a bunch of bums that have to play it's best 5 players 40+ minutes just to compete.
Thibs playoff minutes were just insane. He literally just played JB, Hart, and OG every single minute until they broke down. Nobody does that. Nobody. Not even Thibs. People keep talking about what Thibs did in the past but he never played anybody for 12 straight quarters before. There is a reason more successful coaches don't play their guys 48 minutes.
Love Monica mcnutt...she defends the Knicks with logic points
She needs to clear her throat though.
I'd rather listen to a more objective voice than someone who's obviously just a fan of the team.
@SPECIALK2342 Doesn't she work for the Knicks?
@@Mo-yd8xc yeah she does ..it doesn't mean nothing ..what's real is real
Why did Monica's family think it was reasonable for their last name to be "McNutt?"
The media is a joke. Trying to blame Thibs for some of these injuries is pure ignorance. Love the fact Legs called out this foolery so strongly. Greeny hunts for this type of trash at times.
All media and non NYK Fans. Knicks Nation is good
this knicks team is special, the chemistry and love they have for each other doesnt happen often with teams, i look forwarrd to adding 1 player and being healthy
When it comes to Thibs' history with injured players, I can't help but think of this quote from Paulo Cuelho's great book, "The Alchemist:" Everything that happens once can never happen again. But everything that happens twice will surely happen a third time.
Could just be me, but if a “star” chooses to avoid the knicks because hes scared of thibs, I wouldn’t want him anyway. Do we think a durant or spida would’ve suited up like OG did to give it a go in an elimination game? I doubt it.
You have to consider that this follows him everywhere he goes. Players on that bulls team where never the same after him
Loul Deng aged 10 years in 4 seasons
He ruined Derrick rose career
How?de Rose became a MVP because of tibs@@patepic1046
@@patepic1046derrrick rose was glass, too athletic for his own body
@@patepic1046 You did as much to D Rose career as Thibs. Deng was injury prone before Thibs showed up and fun fact 2010-2012 the Heat played Wade / Bron / Bosh same minutes Thibs played Deng / Rose but you don't know that so it didn't happen right? I guess all those players back in the Bird / Magic days logging 40+ for all 82 games or Karl Malone era guys they all had their careers RUINED by overwork too? lol
This arguement is being made in really shallow terms. The players have come out and explained playing for Thibs is different to how it seems on the outside. He gives them days off, doesn't run them into the ground in training and it's only got into crazy minutes with injuries that were unrelated to workload because at the time they happened it wasn't excesive.
Teams play guys bigger minutes in the playoffs. You make good points and fact is Thibs makes guy play both ways and keep the intensity up so really the issue isn't the minutes not 1 Knick logged more than 35mpg in the regular season its why don't other coaching staff insist guys play hard D nobody ragging J Kidd for that with Dallas cruising but he play his guys a ton of minutes in the playoffs too. Winning is hard. NBA is hard. You ask Brunson or J Hart they want 35 or 45 minutes in a big game they not asking to sit
He did in chicago, Minnesota and now he doing it with the knicks he Runs players into the ground
facts
You deserve more likes, he arguably ruined D. Rose's career. And for what? Deep playoff runs without a chip? Might be good for the Knicks but aint't no one cares without the big win.
Thibs is the main reason that we got this far, that team was depleted...
Brunson was the main reason. I'm a knicks fan and we really need to stop overrating Thibs.
That Group of 5 injured players (Jalen, OG, Bojan, Mitch & Julius) are a quality NBA starting lineup all on their own.
I can't wait to hear this upcoming weekend about the knicks.
Monica’s gotta toe the company line 😂
She's tight 😂😂😂 i love it 😂
She's spot on. She admitted that Hart's injury could be playing time (not necessarily), but he wouldn't have played as much if not for the other injuries (which are more flukish than overwork).
bless the knicks !!! The Best NBA team ever and never complained.
In the Sixers series Burks never got off the bench and Achiuwa played 2 games. At the same time brunson averaged 43, Hart 46 and OG 42 minutes in 6 grueling games. Thibs had opportunities to rest his starters but CHOSE not to. Thibs’ fingerprints are all over the crime scene.
Omg. I know it's just confirmation bias, but it's nice to see someone else understand. Everyone keeps screaming "he had to do it, he didn't have any players!" don't see Precious and Alec being productive??? Thibs had at least 9 solid guys who had proven they could play for him available while he was going with a 7 man rotation and playing guys insane minutes.
If you watched the regular season burks was unplayable
Basketball is all about matchups
@@justind.w8450 and if you watched the playoffs he was very playable. The fact that guys who thrive offensively elsewhere but struggle under Thibs might be a Thibs problem. Fournier, Burks, Obi, Bojan, and RJ all looked much better in other coach's offenses.
@@Michael_Page In the regular season he was a huge minus for us. Thibs was really trying to give him mins but he wasn’t earning them that’s why Bojan played in the playoffs and not burks. Plus it’s about styles. Bojan picked it up in the 6ers series. Fournier barely played a lot for DET, Obi style fits Indiana more, RJ needed to be a 1 or 2 option in NY he was always going to be the 3rd and it didn’t work. Thibs got them to a 2nd seed and turned Brunson and Randle into all-nba talent he gotta get some props
It's funny how some of these analysts were killing coaches for "load management" when it started to become a thing, but when a coach plays his guys, not because he wants to, but he needs to, now they're killing him. They even said that JB and JHart weren't in the top 10 in Mins per game. Jay is also shining a light on how the current NBA "star" is now. A "star" caliber player won't play for Thibs because he plays them "too much," makes them work hard, and holds them accountable? So what Jay is eluding to in words he didn't say, but practically said, the NBA "star" caliber player now is lazy and wants to do whatever they want and not worry that their coach is hard on them and making them accountable. NBA has become SOFT.
Tom "If he dies, he dies" Thibodeau
Knicks can be happy with their performance overall. They still have plenty of assets to retool the roster if someone comes available. I think they need to do this quickly as the salaries of Brunson / OG / Randle (?) will eventually eat the rest of the cap.
Congrats to the pacers. One of the best offenses ive seen in a while. Hali is a beast. Love myles turner’s game. Siakim was a great pickup. Rick carlisle made great adjustments. Knicks nation we gonna be aight!!! We get healthy make a move or 2 and our day is coming 💯
OUR KNICKS GOT WHIPPED! THIBS DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO RUN HIS WHOLE TEAM!
THIBS WAS A 7 MAN ROTATION THAT FAILED NYC! THIBS TOOK ALEC BERKS OUT WHEN HE SHOULDN’T HAVE!
Wish they stfu with the injuries. Brunson hand robinson ankle JR shoulder bojan injury had nothing to do with playing a lot of minutes. Meanwhile there wasn't a top 10 player in minutes with this team
Top 10 player idk wym Brunson 10 now lol
@@youngfleat I'm talking about minutes played
@youngfleat Brunson was 14th in minutes. Had it not been for injuries he would of possibly played even less.
But why didn't the big Market team win!?🤬🥺
We all knew that this is what ESPN was going to be today
@@jamesmiller5331exactly
Just checked the 2015 Chicago Bulls. That by far his best roster he had. Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Pau Gasol, Jokim Noah, Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich, Mike Dunleavy, Doug McDermott. They were solid at all positions and deep.
Not even close, Derrick Rose was already not the same player, averaging 16 points per game, Gasol was averaging 16 points per game, Jimmy Butler was on the rise, averaging 20 points per game, and Joakim was not the same, averaging 4 points per game. The Knicks have Brunson at 28 points per game, Randle at 24 points per game, Divincenzo at 15 points per game, and OG at 15 points per game. The Knicks also have a better bench, and once they add another scorer, this team will compete for a championship.
Facts
@@Jay953 I’ll give Brunson and that’s it. The rest you mentioned are bums lol.
The only injury that should be on Thibs is Randle who shouldn’t have been in that game. They were blowing out the heat
Same scenario with DRose. Shouldnt have been in a blowout game that was won already
But that is part of the culture. He lets players get their numbers so they can get their contracts. Randle shouldn't have been getting the minutes/shots he was getting in general.
the heat still had their starters in. You comfortable up 15 4 min to go with a full heat team playing?
Not true at all. Wasn’t a blowout
It's so weird how all season everyone said "Thibs plays his players so much that they will all get injured" and then exactly that thing happened.
Exact definition of Insanity
OG mad respect for that guy, knowing him in TO, he will never quit. But mannn they should have never let him step on that floor unless they wanna jeopardize his next season. The guy should be at the hospital. No chance he sees the floor in THE NORTH. Take care of your guys even against their consent Nicks nation. Even Pascal was unpleased with the situation. Very painful to watch.
And that is why I will not ever understand why Dolan didn’t stand pat and go get a real GM in someone like Masai instead of a ex agent who doesn’t really know ball like that and how to evaluate talent! Just big game hunting and using ex player relationships instead of player development and smart drafting.
I think if people look at the history of the knicks for the past 25 years. The only thing constant has been upper management.
Proud of my squad 💙🧡
Guess Pacers fans wanted Celtics more? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
KNICKS FANS ARE NOT SAYING THIS BS
Why is this narrative not put on Kerr? Players get injured on every team under every coach. Malone just admitted to overplaying his starters all year and no one is blaming Murray’s injuries on him. It comes with the job
Ain't no Knicks fans blaming thibs
There is nothing to criticize about the knicks other then injuries during a series where they went to 7 games .
I would never want to play for Tom Thibs! Dude will run you into the ground!
Problem with what Mike is saying is that it’s not Knicks fans blaming the coach. It’s people who aren’t Knicks fans and people who are pretend Knicks fans that have this bogus opinion.
I've been a Knicks fan since the 90s and it is obvious Thibs has very poor rotations. Guys are playing so many minutes because he can't read the game with subs.
@@sgame82 he don’t like playing guys that could potentially cost them games. We haven’t seen him with a full roster for a full season. We have the depth and for the few games we were mostly healthy we had a 9 man rotation I’m not sure what more y’all want him to do
@@realitycheck2482 Unless we are a championship contending team i want him to not over use his main guys when there are other guys who can get minutes. Like when we had Obi and Thibs would play him 8 minutes or less a game and Randle would break down at the end of the season.
@@sgame82 fair enough but when you’re trying to build a culture at the beginning, playing obi more might have resulted in them not making that first playoff run. Maybe not but honestly he still the same guy on the pacers that he was here. Not good at defense really. Sporadic shot. Athletic. Makes dumb in game decisions like going between the legs for a dunk in a playoff game. So I don’t blame thibs for not playing him more when he was probably even less mature than he is even now 🤷♂️ I personally don’t want to see bad players or unserious players getting more minutes for any reason. We had 20 years of that and it got us nowhere. If the players simply don’t have freak injuries this year then Josh hart doesn’t get overused. OG doesn’t have to play back to back to back 40+ minutes. I’m tired of the notion players are playing too much. We didn’t have a player in the top 10 in minutes played this season until the cascade of injuries in the playoffs.
@@realitycheck2482 Yes the playoffs. We had guys playing heavy minutes in the first round while Precious who was great for us in the season got zero playing time for a couple games until there was another injury. Thibs does not use his whole team thats available which is my main issue. Sure some of these injuries are just random injuries but who is to say if there bodies had a little more rest that that they might perform a little better. I'm not saying sit players for entire games just reduce the workload in games.
JWill says he's playing devil's advocate but he's coming off as a hater. Most of the injuries were freak incidents except for OG (in the playoffs) and Hart. And those 2 injuries you could argue there was no other choice but to play them as much as you had to.
Yeah Monica, the Knicks just need to go get one of the best up and coming superstars and then they’ll be good. Why doesn’t every team try that??
So even Jokic played 47 min last night. You gotta do what you gotta do when you have no other options
The Showtime Lakers run and gun played a 6-7 man rotation to back to back championships. There were no injuries from minutes played or clotheslines. Excuses today. Thibs from old school era. There were only 12 on the team. Players 8-18 today on bench are marginal making the league minimum.
1:12......That would be a decent starting lineup.
First off they need to be proud they made it this far. They used to looking at the first round & being put out.
NY was scary before the injuries
Keep Thibs and see what stars are available. No need to detour from the plan. In a year or 2 you can always reconsider, but Thibs has earned more time with this core
Yes, it is sustainable, Greeny...great question but an easily answered one.
You bring in Thibs to change the culture then you bring a different coach to take you to the next level. He was playing guys 46 minutes when they were healthy and guys like Burks and Precious were buried on the bench. You can win one round with that style but that's it guys will break down and coaches like Carlisle who use 9-10 guys will always own him in the second round and up.
Injuries buddy
The Timberwolves are the proof; he developed KAT & Ant-Man as stars, but they weren’t moving far with him at the helm. With a different coach, those same Wolves are in the conference finals. Same with Celtics 2008, he’s the defensive/ development coach, but it’s Doc’s team.
Agreed. New coach needed for a title.
Playoff minutes go up guys play all 48 sometimes... This myth that Thibs overworks guys is hilarious when not 1 player on his roster avg more than 35 mpg this past season and right now many other teams are playing their dawgs the same as Knicks guys so maybe stop letting ESPN make you mad about sh!t you can fact check yourself
@@jankevinsalvacion9621Get your facts straight. He didn’t develop Ant Man. He wasn’t even coaching there when he was drafted. Further more , real players like playing. That’s why Michael Jordan played 82 games a year 10 times. 40 plus minutes a game. Randle fell on his shoulder, that wasn’t Thibbs fault. Bogdanovic broke his ankle, not Thibbs fault. OG has a history of injuries, Thibbs never coached him until this year. It’s not the game that wears players out, it’s the practice. He doesn’t practice players hard anymore. That’s why this team likes playing for him.
This is a great question! That has been asked I blame him!
Tired of hearing about Knick injuries is why the Knicks lost against the Pacers.. At the end of the day, the Pacers are ALWAYS up and ready to whip, punish and destroy the Knicks anytime they play. Even with a entirely healthy Knick team.. The Pacers would have still destroyed the Knicks..
Knicks in January with a healthy Brunson, Randle, OG, Hart, DDV, etc. Had a 14-2 Record, which ranked 1st in the NBA; a defensive rating of104.4, which ranked 1st in the NBA; a net rating of 15.8, which ranked 1st in the NBA,; and a rebound % of 54.8%, which (you guessed it) ranked 1st in the NBA. None of the injuries to Mitch (originally or after Embid), Randle, or OG's injury had anything to do with Thibs. Please....BS narrative...Run it Back
I’m surprised they didn’t mention Derrick Rose when mentioning star players playing late in games that are potentially over
It’s all about usage rates. Thib was putting heavy minutes on his main guys in every playoff game because of injuries so it was causing more injuries throughout the playoffs. There’s a reason why most teams don’t do that. The Nuggets were the other team that did that on most games because their bench weren’t good enough. They ended up gassing out in the end.
As a knicks fan id rather have this then what was going on in the past.
ESPN pushing this is nasty work. Real knick fans are not saying its thibs.
Thibs' style is what it is. Maybe Brunson, Hart, DiVicenzo and OG end up eventually losing their careers to chronic injury like Butler, Rose, Deng and Noah...but they're going to play hard, win a lot of games, make good playoff runs, AND have major contracts before those injuries come along. And on top of that, they'll know inside they truly gave it all they got and made the most of their time and talent. It's a career most players would gladly have.
Even Deng ended up with a $72 mil Lakers contract AFTER his Bulls run as the 4TH OPTION, Noah got a $73 mil Knicks contract AFTER everything. I would not be surprised if in a few years that Hart leaves the Knicks in his 30s and gets a 4 yr 90 or 100 mil deal.
Fans and just people in general always look for an excuse or something or someone to blame when things don’t go their way. Thibbs coached the team the way he had to.
Breaking into that Thibs rotation is tough
We don’t need a “Giant fish” We just need our team fully healthy
These guys don’t know Thibs he had Boggy and didn’t play him he had Burkes didn’t play him
Knew it. Get Up would give Pacers like 30 seconds of love and drool over the Knicks. I hate ESPN.
Thibs known for running players into the ground!
He absolutely is, but when you look at these specific injuries, it doesn't look like that's what happened this time. Hart might be the exception, but Thibs' hands were tied at that point.
I do agree Thibs could be a little more mindful during the regular season when it comes to minutes. But as for whether or not i want him as our head coach ? without question, im riding with him
Thibs has shown he has the ability to adjust, but only in a the game to come. His in game/on the fly adjustments are horrendous and unlikely unless an injury causes him to change course
There is an easy answer to the Knicks injury problems is that they play much harder on defense than most teams. This wears out certain players who aren't "conditioned" physically.
When giving Thibs the extension, will management at least tell him he needs to use more of his roster throughout the season, and in games where they’re up either bun or down big?
The Knicks are not getting any Big Fish…Thibs is 1 problem & this roster is the other. This roster outside of the 3pt shooting is completely outdated. The Knicks don’t have a single athletic Guard or Wing that can create shots. Meanwhile an up & coming team like Houston has 4-5 perimeter Guards/Wings that are athletic & create shots. Brunson is a great scorer but outside of that & drawing charges what else does he really do well? Superstars find multiple ways to impact the game & Brunson is nothing close to that. The Knicks need a guy like Ant to build around. This Front Office & Thibs chose to build the roster around toughness & grit rather than skill & talent.
You said the whole part that the media is purposely choosing to overlook because of NYC’s media market and Knick relevance meaning more money league and TV wise. The roster is dated our so-called stars are closer to 30 than 25 and we still have no real player development because Thibs doesn’t play his bench most nights and Rose is just using his extra agent skills in relation to drawing players to NY. Where is the player development? Where is the smart drafting? When this experiment flames out (and it will) it will be said that the last real GM’s we had were Donnie and Glenn. The last player we developed was KP and everything before that has been someone past their prime is a throwaway. It’s insulting that ESPN is purposely acting like this roster isn’t old and could actually beat Steph,Jamal, Zach,Curry throw in a random 4 on any night! Never mind that 94 or 99 team ! Ridiculous!
Also, I’ve always liked Brunson, but he really became a shot hunter the last 2 games and I felt that he helped shoot us out the game early by not looking to set a rhythm to get others involved earlier. I really felt like him being left off the 1st team AS and being overlooked for Paris was really fueling him, but it started to work against him the last few games.😑 Very good player, but towards the end I was reminded of Isiah Thomas of Boston and that historic run. We all know how that ended.
@@jayjay8430 spot on! When we hired Leon with the 6th worst record & Leon turned around & hired WWW & Thibs I knew how this would turn out. Thibs doesn’t rebuild & is always in win now mode. Why would a team with the 6th worst record try to be in win now mode when they have nothing close to a roster capable. They skipped the most important steps from jump & once you do that you’re always building everything backwards. A smart Front Office would have been rebuilding through the draft lottery for a couple of years to have a young core of 21-23 y/o kids to move forward with & the make needed additions around that. Also Thibs has never built great rosters either. It’s usually 1 or 2 guys with a bunch of hard nosed scrappy role players. The things you & I are saying will get met with negativity from our fanbase but we’re telling the harsh truth. The Knicks need experienced basketball guys for a Front Office like a Sam Presti or Raphael Stone not sports agents who don’t know how to evaluate talent or skillsets. The revolving circle of the Knicks where times move on but somehow things never change.
I feel sorry for Knicks fans because without those injuries/Randall/Robinson/and Anuoby in game 6. Every sports 🏀 fan knows that the Knicks would be playing in the eastern conference finals vs the Celtics who got the easiest path to the east finals/Heat no butter/ Cavs no Mitchell games 5/6. I really wanted to see Brunson/Knicks vs Tatum/Celtics for that reason I won’t watch 📺 the eastern conference finals. Nothing against Halliburton/Pacers and I know that the ratings will be less for this series. Finally I hope all the knicks are healthy next season at playoff time and let’s see what happens.
Reminds me when they broke up the team with LIN Novak etc let them grow and play as a team for a couple of years
If you can't distinguish between a traumatic injury (Randal's dislocated shoulder) and an overuse injury, you can't have a reasonable discussion.
Injuries doesnt matter, media said that when they voted shai and joker over luka for mvp this season. Mavs rested everyone last 2 games and played the g-league team, cavs shot a 75% court shot winning their game vs mavs. It were basicly a 3 game difference between okc and mavs, while mavs starters due injuries played 150 posessions in RS and OKCs played 1700. Stop moving the bar to fit agendas and start being a real sports channel.
Nobody remembers they got to the 2nd round last year with no significant injuries?
Why would they wanna get more playing time leading to higher stats and a higher contract ? The Media is dumb AF
The Thibodeau minutes injury narrative is more tiring than actually playing 48min a game.
2021: team healthy in playoffs
2023: team healthy in playoffs
2024: team unhealthy before playoffs
I don't remember all the injuries but we definitely were not healthy those two years. Mitchell Robinson was hurt against the Hawks. Julius Randle was exhausted. Last year Randle was worn down and injured again before the playoffs. This year Randle is hurt in January and misses the playoffs. Robinson is hurt again. OG is hurt again because Thibs wants to play an injury prone player who was hurt before the playoffs 40 minutes a game.
I cannot tell which year Windhorst's reporting is from, he says the same thing every year about the Knicks.
Tim Legler and Monica knows basketball.
The ESPN bias is ridiculous. The guys you mentioned missed most of the season and still made tge playoffs. You weren't critiquing this way when you beat Philly or was up 2-0 and even 3-2 on the pacers. And you definitely didn't have this take when Joel embid was playing on one leg when you beat them. You were saying it doesn't matter if he's hurt or not he has to find a way to win and didn't.
Knicks would have rag dolled the pacers if FULLY healthy and most likely beat the Celtics.. thats how good and deep this knicks team was but the knicks with just OG and a healthy hart and Brunson beat the pacers in 5 and thats not an opinion thats just facts.. knicks went to 7 games with the pacers and they had a whole nba roster out injured and the others played hurt with no excuses.. some ppl act like it was 1 or 2 rotation guys out lol nah it was major impact players
The Knicks roster injuries or not is a bunch of well built role players. You have to applaud the coach for getting them this far. The injuries are due to these role players mustering up the energy to play a level up - which doesn't bode well long term.
You guys don't get it. It's just that Thibbs plays his guys hard during the game. He just wears them down during practice session and warm ups. They had no legs on the court, that's why Indiana scored so high. Look at the highlights, you see all of them running to put their hand up...not one of them jumped, not one of them were able to get there on time. Look at the highlights in game 3. You'll see the same thing in the 4th quarter. But if you look at game 5, they're jumping all over the place and they're getting to the man on time.
Just run it back. NYK hasn’t been this successful since Melo. Now we know we have good roll players like Hart, Divincenzo, and Hartenstein. Maybe add another 3 and D guy.
Coach Thibs does need to expand his rotation by atleast one player. But the only injury that you can apply this theory to is Josh Hart (abdominal strain). The knicks are in good shape moving forward. If the Knicks have OG, Robinson and Randle they beat the Pacers in 5. The only 2 things they need is more offensive fire power and stay to healthy.
Knicks will only get better. NYK ALL DAY
Expect another yr of injuries under thibs
😂😂😂😂 so clueless.
No we won’t . Not under Dolan and not under Tibbs. And if they don’t trade Mitchell Robinson and Julius Randle they are really screwed.
Lol you won't beat pacers, 76ers, or bucks next year. Brunson is a poor man's AI
Not with these glass made dudes
Knicks had a wonderful season that should be the only narrative.To do what they did with all the injuries, this season has been a tremendous success.Please remember where knicks have been for the last couple decades.Do you have to be tough to play for Thibs?Yes,but the man gets results.
Thibs is also the reason they won 50 games. A different coach that sits guys more or even for a few games wins 43 games and knicks are a play in team
Coach Thibs and Coach Rivers need a comeback together.
The 76ers should be brought up on charges for the injuries they caused against the knicks
There are fifteen players on a team. How do you not have a ten man rotation from the start of the season ? How do you have shake Milton chilling on the bench, and how are those two second round picks for Obi looking right about now??
Legler is talking about SAS
I LOVE MY Knicks but I do believe OG or Hart injuries could have been avoided if he played Burks more from the start of playoffs and def after Bogan went down. But everyone else had to play and Precious was better as he played but I understand why Thibs was hesitant to play him; He was irratic at times early in playoffs.
Stop Making Sense 😂
As a Knicks fan So we trade bodjan sims randle 24 pick 38 pick bucks 2025 1st round pick our own 2027 pick 1st Shid who want it 😂😂😂 or the 25 pick we got options
Don't be a LeGM 😂😂
Cannot blame Thibs for the injuries this year. Had no players left to play. Jules and JB was a freak injury. Mitch was taken out by philly. Bogy too. OG is injury prone himself
Facts