When you promote someone too late
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In my first job, out of college, my manager admitted to me that I was doing the work of a person 2 levels higher. But he couldn't do anything because I didn't have enough "experience" (years working) and HR wouldn't care that I was actually doing the work at that level. Changed jobs soon after & got a HUGE increase in salary.
Good to hear that. That experience in itself was worth it.
Ah, HR, empowered feminists department. Pettiness and incompetence levels there are something.
Its funny coz I had an opposite bad experience. Kept getting promoted and became Director at a very young age. But company was too small to pay me appropriately and I had difficulty finding another company that would hire for such high roles with such low “years” of experience. Left anyways but it was touuuugh.
Good on your manager for being honest with you there.
After almost 10 years at a big tech company ('95-'05) I heard similar nonsense from my manager during my "annual review." He said I was doing great work but based on my title and its hr defined salary range, he couldn't do more for me at that time. I quit less than a month later. Started my own consulting business and have been successful and happy ever since. If you're capable and motivated, working for someone else will never be completely satisfying. I'm now what I call fake-retired. I'm too young to officially retire and draw any retirement benefits, but I rarely work any more. I only take clients which I find interesting and lucrative.
And yet companies cry about nobody wants to work. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Give loyalty, get it in return
time to pray companies start realizing that before we destroy ourselves
It's time we stop blaming "companies" for these sorts of things. Companies are made up of people, and it's people who created this mess.
@@yoshiwhere148Bless your heart, but companies *know*
They don’t care. That’s why Unions exist
Nah, companies still have a huuuge number of future workers waiting for an oportunity, plenty of crap treatment to come
@@DeathnoteBB my friend worked for a US consulting firm that helps foreign corps looking to establish offices in the US. She told me the gleam in European executives' eyes when it dawned on them how much worse they can treat their American employees made her so sick she left the job. Corporations only treat their employees as well as they are forced to.
Ouch... I remember once I left a company due to burnout. They replaced me with two *departments*. DON'T do the long hours and unpaid overtime. Not worth it.
Unpaid overtime is crazy. It's illegal in Canada to not pay overtime over 44 hours in a week. Unless the work is on-call or salaried.
And let me guess, they *still* had only paid you for one person’s work?
Two departments is crazy, holy crap.
Do not work for free as a habit.
I hope you were able to get some rest bro.
The fact that Derek does 4-5 jobs IS the reason why he wasn’t promoted. If moved into a management position, he would only be doing 1 job. Then they’d have to fill 4-5 other jobs. Anyone in senior positions that take one responsibilities because of being short staffed are almost non-existent because hard workers are by design not promoted.
Promoting someone does not automatically mean to management. Juniors can be promoted, if needed even to senior. You increase the pay, benefits, etc and let them do the jobs they already did. Now you don't need a replacement at all.
I have been dereks supervisor and will guarantee I won’t promote him until I can replace him.
My first corporate job I did in one day 3x’s what everyone else did. When I applied for a promotion I was told, “you didn’t get the job because we are worried you are *too organized* for a management position.” I realized then and there I would never be promoted because I was too valuable in my current position. They would have to hire three people to fill my role if I left.
So I left.
Our area manager, who was one of the few really good managers, took my work colleague aside after she was knocked back for promotion. She told her, I have never worked so hard as when I did your job, don't let them tell you it gets harder the further up you go, it doesn't. You should have got that job so what you need to do now is leave, go somewhere else at the higher grade, then come back above that grade in about 2 years. She followed her advice and did exactly that.
Our manager also got her progression right to the very top btw. She was what a leader should be.
@@johnkessler9878 let me guess you never find anyone until they have left or a bosses nephew need a cousy job right?
Sadly, I was derek for 15 years. I failed to see the light until I was fired during a certain mandate recently. Wow was I duped!!
Welcome to the club brother, ... as sad as it is... best wishes
Years ago I asked an upper manager what my chances of promotion were. I was told I was too valuable in the field. I then said, “So you’re telling me I have to be useless to be promoted?” He stopped, looked at me, and didn’t say a word.
@@ssaraccoii He didn't have to say anything. At that moment, both of you knew that was EXACTLY what he meant. Of course, he was promoted into HIS job, so that sort of gave away the game... 😉
@ssaraccoii yes. but try from this perspective. everyone complains and hates managers..because they are dumb.
also you have to show value in other things that are not your job. through networking, sucking up, and giving credit to others in the club and Maybe they'll choose you. or you're just not a fit for the culture
It makes you sweet and likeable, if that soothes the hurt..😘
I changed jobs about every 2 years. Every time with a pay increase. I retired at 50.
I should have done the same instead of staying in the same company and the same role for twenty five years! Old School viewpoints are not always winners :(
This is the way with modern business behaviours, unfortunately. It's honestly a shame, too.
Sweet. If only it were as easy to do that these days.
That’s exactly why many larger businesses are in a mess, that plus the DEI bullshit.
@@slamkam07 But if you are competent and reliable, you won't be promote. Good slave working for peanuts are harder to replace than a manager.
That was me back in 2010, my supervisor told me i had made myself indispensable and they didn't want to promote me, I found a new job and gave my notice to the big chief, his jaw actually dropped!
"We can't promote you, you're too important."
"Oh okay, so you'll just increase my salary then and have me continue doing what I'm doing, right?"
"Uhhhh."
"... Right?"
"Yeah about that-"
@@leila13dnd you'd think if it was admitted to be true that your role is more important than a really high paying position, that you deserve at least as much compensation as that position, but noooooo
I can't believe they don't see this is a big problem
A common problem, the people who are good at their job are too valuable in their current position to be promoted.
I’ve had the same problem in every job I’ve done,
when I was a craftsman I was repeatedly denied promotion because I was the best worker they had so other feckless people got the promotion.
So I quit the company and got a managers/Engineers position elsewhere.
I then became their top engineer and manager and watched other useless people get promoted while at the same time I was given their work to do.
In the end I walked out and had 6months off with overloaded stress and they had to restructure the company to cover the work I had been doing.
When I came back I took a senior designer role with less duties and more pay.
[I now get paid for what I know rather than what I do]
It’s is only when you are prepared to quit and walk out that you get treated with any fair recognition.
@@robg521I don't see a problem with "not being promoted because you are too good", but i do see a problem with not being compensated adequately. Aka, if you are getting the good results and "can't get the promotion yet qualify for it", then you should receive the bump in pay and benefits with accordance to your competence.
Loyalty to your paycheck is the ONLY loyalty. Do your job, do it well, but always be open to new opportunities and when one comes along shed no tears.
As your company would say to you if they laid you off, It's only good business.
Yup! I left a job after 2 weeks and another after 3 months the last one lasted for a year and a half.
This is the only tip you need to know in life.
Changing companies is the only way to truly get a pay increase and a position you want. Don't be afraid to leave for a better position. They did a study on this and found almost every person who has a high paying job hasn't been with the company for very long. They just hop between companies getting incrementally more money and better positions once they find out they will never get a promotion at their current job.
You can also use this to leverage a forced raise by showing your employer you have a job offer at that pay and demand they match it or you'll leave for it.
I did this and it worked. I was doing shipping/receiving for $15/hr. I showed them an offer for $60k/year to drive a fork lift. They didn't give me 60K but they did give me $50K. I love the job but could not afford to keep going with 2-3% raises when the economy went up 9-11%!!!
But do it every few years or so
3 years seems to be a sweet spot, you got pay increment, and experience, after that, hop off to a new one
There's no such thing as company loyalty
There’s no point getting a matching offer. You already have that offer. They better beat it or you walk.
Also the offer you get outside is your starting pay. They’re happy to have you there. A matching offer is you dragging your employer reluctantly up the pay scale. They’re not going to see it as the start of anything.
@@amspook agreed. 2 years or less works early in your career (first 5-10 years) because you are quickly learning and usually at that point what’s holding you back from most jobs are just YoE.
Once you’re past that 10 year mark, you are usually leading/making major impacts in multi-year projects so 3-4 years in a role is expected or it could look like you may be job hopping for no good reasons. Also the higher up you climb the IC or management ladder the more difficult promotions become.
I didn't wait that long, and after a little over one year I found better job and gave my notice. That's when they finally offered a promotion and increase to keep me from leaving, but then it was too late. Management had to now find someone totally new and start over from scratch. Brilliant.
Yep, NEVER take the counter offer. For one it just shows they could have promoted you or given you that pay rise if they had wanted to. Secondly they're just making the offer because they know they need you and if you take it they will work to bring in someone else to replace you and in a year or so they will fire you or push you out.
I don't want to be promoted, I don't want to climb the management ladder, I like my job. Just increase my salary
Same 😂😂😂 . I like where am i just salary increase 😂😢
To increase salary you need to climb up.
@@asmita2318 yeah, that how it works but not how it should be. My salary should be a function of my productivity and the cost of my replacement.
As I keep doing the same job, I get better at it, I bring more value to the business thus I should participate in the value added to the business, especially if finding a replacement is gonna be risky and costly.
The alternative is starting a management career, but I'm not a manager. I am good at my job, and management is a totally different job that I'm probably worse at and I don't even like.
Did the management routine once, and it sucked. Ever after that torturous experience I just wanted more pay and to rise in the technical career path. But that always seems to attract the attention of upper management dweebs that can't understand why you don't want to follow in their footsteps. Because they can't understand they'll find ways to make your job miserable if they can't convince you that "maybe this time being manager will be great!"
"You'd be great at this! You already have all the skills and everybody likes you! As a bonus you'd get to relocate to LA! Doesn't that sound great? California!" Exec couldn't comprehend that if my job relocated to LA I'd quit immediately. They got even more perplexed to find out it was a common sentiment throughout the company - even people already working in the LA facility wanted to relocate.
@@asmita2318no, there is such a thing as cost of living raises and general raises. I get one of each every year. Unionize.
I’ve been Derek a few times. One time my boss’s boss commented that I had been up for promotion several times, but it was turned down. He said that I actually deserved it, so I asked him if he would promote me now, belatedly. He looked surprised and said, “No”. A few years later I quit. About 6 months later 2 of my former supervisors were given 90 days to find a job at another company or be fired. Another 6 months later one of my successors at the previous employer quit because he said management didn’t support him. Actually he simply couldn’t accomplish what I had. There have been several other instances where I was recognized as the senior person in that function, but not necessarily paid appropriately. After my departure the others in the group quit or were laid off, including the manager.
"A few years later I quit."
Fucking _why_ did it take you that long?
I'm getting that too. I've been told I'm so close to being promoted, yet people I literally trained were promoted to my current position.
Never train anyone if you have a unique skillset. Refuse at all costs. They'll only replace you.
I resigned once and they asked what it would take to keep me. I said a time machine. Go back 5 years, give me the authority to do what I was going to have to take on anyway (like I had asked when hired), and get the goofballs who had no idea what they were doing out of the way. Forget about titles and money, just let me do the job. They tried to double my salary. I walked anyway. Bad management is like a bad wife. It will never get better.
Tell them you're a contract worker now and are willing to do the job for 1k$ an hour minimum job of 40 hours.
They only tried to double your salary to keep you temporarily whilst they found someone who'd be the old you for cheaper. They did this because it would cost them less than losing you on the spot and scrambling to fill the gap on zero notice whilst losing money by the second until the gap was filled.
It wasn’t about making things better for you.
Good for you for walking away, man. Kudos.
I love your answer
@@Lostachilles Probably
It is true bad job is the same as bad significance other. They will never get better because their goal is always to be worse.
First professional job didn’t give me a raise for two years. The owner finally raised my pay when he was desperate after he had to fire our incompetent administrator. In year three, I ended up applying for jobs on and off. After no substantial raises, I found a job paying 20% more in year five and bounced. The owner was just shocked when I gave him my two weeks notice and left after literally two weeks to the day. Like, what do you expect? You consistently underpaid me. Even if you couldn’t have afforded to pay more, you could have given flexibility or time off. Glad I left that mess.
I bent over backwards, jumped over rings of fire to get promoted in my previous role....only to resign after that. I was doing the job of 3 people at the time.
Managed to get into a new company at a more senior position and throughout my time here, I managed to get pretty high salary increments because my boss recognised my potential. I wont be leaving anytime soon because I feel appreciated
I was Derek and I quit after 6 years when the environment literally became toxic and sent me to the hospital. Don't be Derek when you can be a Veronica.
This is far more accurate than any of us want it to be.
But, somehow, mgmt just never learns the actual lesson
Management learned the lesson a long time ago.
This situation does not happen by accident.
@Kyle-sr6jm They learned how to save money that never really moved their needle much anyway, yes.
I *still* see them gape in confusion and panic when the only person who knows how to build/maintain/fix the things suddenly (or not-so-suddenly, when they look at it) quits.
But, yes, I agree with you. It's planned predation.
#unionize
This is the downside of being too competent and effective at your job - you'll get stuck there as long as you're willing to tolerate it. In my long career in companies both big and small, I have almost never seen a truly competent worker promoted into management. I have seen legions of goldbricks and arse-kissers make it up the ladder, though.
@@silverhammer7779 the real problem is that management gets paid more for just mere titles.
If more jobs had actual performance bonuses that weren't merely capped at "better than average", you'd see more people stay
Worked for a company for 7 years. Asked for a promotion for 3. Was given constructive advice on how to improve. I took it to heart and worked my ass off. Over the years was still given the run-around about why they couldn’t promote me. The had the audacity to act like I was the asshole for putting in my two week notice when I had enough. Best decision ever made.
Been there, done that...They are so shocked that you had the self-esteem and confidence to leave..Loyalty must be a two-way street..
I despise you for how accurate this is.
Trust they do not care about you.
It was a new one on me though when the company I just quit from didn't promote me, demoted me and expected that I'd do all the work having just been demoted so they could save a few cents an hour in salary.
I'm personally laughing my ass off every time my sister-in-law goes there and sees that the department is more or less completely closed due to a lack of anybody actually there to work. They could have just paid the money, let me have my promotion and I wouldn't have just walked off the job and left them in the lurch.
Sometimes, these things are so stupid that it's absolutely embarrassing. It's costing them a rather considerably amount of money because they wanted to make a point. Me, I'm going to be fine, I've got plenty of savings and plenty of better prospects from the skills I developed and the company won't benefit from.
This is the toughest lesson for anyone just starting out to learn. But the sooner you learn this and understand the situation for what it is, the better off you'll be. It won't stop them trying to take advantage of you, but you'll be able to spot the signs a lot sooner.
Know your worth
And they never have. It’s easier to see it now.
I learned way to late, you just look out for number one!
What was said to my mom 30+ years ago still rings true today- switch jobs every few years to get pay increases.
I'm currently trying to get an elevated raise (not just annual COL raise)... My team asked for a meeting with higher ups to make our case. Our manager said they were trying. After waiting 5 flipping months, I finally went to his boss's boss.... It was very evident that my manager never followed through. Now a team member is leaving. I'm currently looking and applying elsewhere.
The backlash I got for going above my manager too. I've worked with him for 7 years and knew all along he wasn't the best at management though a good boss. Now I realize after my team really called up on him, he dropped the ball so damn hard.
His boss two steps above him saw the writing on the wall though when I asked him. Too little too late that a 5 year employee is leaving.
This is why people hop jobs and companies see that as a bad thing. People wouldn't "job-hop" if it was profitable to be loyal. Statistics show that in most fields you can increase your wage more by moving around every 2 to 3 years vs being loyal to a single company. People like stability, they don't want to jump around from job to job. Loyalty just isn't rewarded.
I’m in exactly this position right now, except I haven’t found a new job yet so I haven’t resigned.
Was told by a manager I didn’t have enough experience for the senior position. Ironically, I have more experience than the manager herself. So yeah. It’s just a matter of time before I find that brilliant new job that will probably double my salary and have me doing a role (that includes public facing elements) what my manager incorrectly thinks I’m not experienced enough for.
It's already done! Expect it any day now! And Congratulations 🎉
Yeah, definitely feeling this one. I make good money but it hasn’t kept up with inflation and even the most recent “generous” annual pay raise of 5% has left me $28k/yr below average market for my job and duties. It did not come close to meeting the changes in cost of living. The games senior management played with the promised promotion basically took $6k out of my pocket over the last 6 months. I am looking for the right opportunity to move to and when I do my employer will get all the same courtesy and kindness they have shown. In the mean time I am voting all my shares and encouraging all other employees and former employees to vote down the proposed compensation package for the C suite. Why should they get something they will not provide to the actual people doing the work.
Never be too good at your job. There are those that excel at the work they do, and those that actually get on.
My former lecturer told us this when we asked about employment advice once we graduated...
He said, " go wherever opportunity takes you then apply yourself and learn as much as you can and be the best you can be. If the environment or system is designed in such a way that you can't be rewarded for your hard work then leave for another opportunity. If you perform exceptionally then you deserve exceptional compensation and if the employer pays mediocre compensation they they deserve a mediocre employee"
Loyalty to the Corporation , will hold you back and Financially Screw you over !
Loyalty is a two-way street. If you find all the traffic on your side of the street, look for the next exit. As Derek did.
exactly because of the reason that was also stated, because if they promote you, they'd then have to fill in your position, which generally means a reshuffle all the way down.
But for some reason, they think that having in-house knowledge run off is less efficient than spending weeks having to hire outside, then needing them to have months to be properly efficient in their role
Act your wage.
this
Love this!
Exactly!!! This is a golden line!
By law of nature, productivity drops in equal an opposite to wage 😂
Amen
This is why Gen Z isn't here for corporate shenanigans.
Say what you want about Gen Z, but at least they are not kissing bosses' asses. That is good thing and we all can benefit from it.
@@harryricochet8134its crazy I can instantly tell a boomer wrote this, also what your describing is more late millennials than gen z but good job champ only like 5-10 years off
@@sharrpshooter1, a decade is a rounding error to the Eternal Boomer.
@@harryricochet8134 If that is your natural response to just reading "Gen Z", you are genuinely terminally online and/or sick. Take a break, stop consuming.
@@monilipThey don't have to. They also don't have to do their jobs.
One of the worst fates is to work for a manager who believes the World owes him/her a living, and you are The Meal Ticket who must deliver on that debt. You’re kept back because that manager NEEDS you to maintain his/her job. The harder you work, the more you must NOT be promoted, to provide your manager that job security. And remember, you have years ahead of you when you can build for yourself, once the manager’s need for you has been fulfilled. (Or, to quote one of these execrable people: “I need this; you can always rebuild.”)
I'm living this, THIS, exactly this, not only in one job but IN TWO. CURRENTLY. Seriously. Wth
Look for another, ask for higher than current pay grade and move
Or find what you're good at or passionate about and create your own business. They don't deserve you.
Line up other opportunities and tell them what you want or you'll leave. If you won't speak up for yourself, no one else will either.
@@BltchEricadon’t ask for anything. Let them give you a number. Salary negotiation is a dumb game where the first person to let information slip loses the advantage.
I worked at an engineering firm where the mentality was if you promote someone they have to learn their new job plus you have to fill their old job, so you've effectively created two positions. If they just quit, you only have to fill one position.
This is the reason it is easier to job hop between competitors than to get promoted within an organization.
This was the mentality at my place, they would rather get rid of someone than promote them, and then get someone new in to fill the empty position (who then takes two years to work out what the hell they are doing).
I wangled myself a permanent home based tech support role and now realistically do about 5 hrs work a week (plus whatever Teams meetings I'm invited to) and feel absolutely zero guilt for taking advantage of them after they've shafted me and all my colleagues and ex colleagues over the last 15 years. 10 years to retirement, but if I can hang on for 5 that might be enough as first pension kicks in then, or I'll take VR if there's another tranche and have done with it!
That actually makes a lot of sense, from a big-picture systemic perspective
Yeah, this is exactly what happened at my old place of work. I worked there 7 years total. After the 2nd year I continuously asked for a promotion or pay raise with nothing.
One I made a more lateral switch in the company, I got a slight pay bump, they had to hire 5 extra people. Those people sucked at the job besides one and always complained they were underpaid. After a year in my newer role I applied for head of department as I met all the criteria. I got passed up for someone in a totally unrelated position that knew nothing lol. A few months later I quit and they made a huge fuss about it. They even said I had no loyalty. 😂 I get paid about double what I did at that place and work about half the hours now. In the end I got what I deserved. That place was trash and I am sad I wasted so much time there
Derek needs to know his market rate, he let inertia kick in! The business got a great deal in this case sadly
Yep, 2-3 years tops and it's time to jump ship for another company. And that's assuming the pay, benefits and work environment make that worth it for that time.
I’ve worked with and for people like Derek. The last one that was in charge of our entire division was replaced by an ever expanding umbrella of management. There must be 14 people doing his old position with goofy titles now. Rather genius really, the guy at the top has created such a buffer between himself and being fired
I love the absolute entitlement of expecting loyalty from an employee. An employee is loyal to themselves and their family and a paycheck nothing else
Pursue new jobs every two years to keep your salary appropriate to Cost of Living. Otherwise your salary will never keep up with the printing press.
Definitely teaching my children about this nonsense.
Important lessons:
1. How to say no and set boundaries
2. How to negotiate starting pay and ask for a raise
3. How and when to quit a job
I remember when I worked at a place for 3 years and they brought in 2 managers with less experience to be my boss. I didn’t care because I was in school but they told me that they never promote anyone because they didn’t want people upset when a coworker got promoted instead of themselves. So if they needed a supervisor or manager they hired someone outside the company to do it
Which is idiotic - now people see that they have no upward mobility and leave all together. Either way, you've got to replace them now.
The reason he was never promoted was because he was doing the work of 4-5 people. Remember folks, only do what you are paid to do. Hold your skills above their heads, not down at their feet.
I will be informing my boss later this year that if i don't get promoted i am walking.
Don't threaten to leave. Just leave if you're going to. If you threaten to leave, they'll look for a reason to shit-can you. And if you threaten to leave and they actually promote you, there will be ill will directed towards you after the promotion. Unfortunately, that's just how it works.
Line up a different job first, before saying this. Get references in place too. If need be, get co-workers or long-time friends and/or neighbours, to be references.
I came to say something similar as the person above me. Just get another job, then give your 2 weeks notice. If they want you, they will offer that raise and extra pay. If they don't, then you have a new job and you can leave.
Even if you do get promoted, leave.
Start looking for a job before actually communicating that, but, you should communicate that tbh
Just switch jobs. Even if they promote you, it'll be a hell for you
My daughter was in this kind of situation. She quit two years ago and has a job. She likes where she’s treated well and gets regular period raises. The old company just went out of business. 😂
Definitely happens. Years ago I moved to another city and found out I was replaced by 3 people.
Recent job our team was reduced from 6 to 3. Colleagues resigned & were never replaced. Fun times.
My previous workplace used to have performance based raise, and they'd always find out something to make sure I'm barely meeting expectations, until my favourite manager actually appreciated my experience when he came into the role and knew to ask me if there was something from before he joined like an obscure procedure.
Trouble is, big management a couple of months afrer my pay raise decided to put everyone on the same level of pay, so all of my hard work went to waste and I made the same as someone who'd only joined a week ago.
I stopped being loyal to companies for lots of reasons, but this is a big one. I've had SO many jobs where I put so much time in, and they don't reward me with even a simple full-time in some cases. So many wasted years.
So, so true. And we all know that she (the manager) does nothing.
I left at the end of May after years of managing the company and doing ten times the work in my actual job description. I feel so lazy at my new job, but I get paid waaaay more money. No regrets.
Loyalty only goes one way
Basically SMH
Never do more than what you are paid for!
ALWAYS be open for new/better opportunities!
I used to work on a Japanese assembly line on third shift. I in 22 second intervals did 2-3 stations of “work”. I quit after I got an upper respiratory from the insulation.
Jobs are not careers anymore. They are building blocks. Your current position is preparation for the job you should have already applied for.
That way, you're maximizing your earning potential and cutting these types out of your life. (The next company would LOVE to give you a raise to work above your position.
And if your dead set on being abused... at LEAST apply for higher paying work just so you can force them to pay to keep you.
You're all welcome. *those who didn't know this.
Ever see your boss get fired because he didn't actually realize how crucial you were to the continued operation, and the three people he replaced you with weren't up to it?
If you aren't ready to walk, all you are doing is asking for a raise or promotion.
If you look for work, find other positions, you know the market rate, and are prepared to walk if they won't negotiate.
Definitely. Always have a lifeboat ready before abandoning a sinking ship.
Been there, moved on.... "oh please stay, we need you for this". Sorry, should have thought of that before promoting the guy I was carrying.....
Oh no, dear, he has been working above his pay grade for 7-8 years :P
Worse than that. I had been doing that for about two years and asked why I hadn't been advanced in salary grade. The answer was, "Well, you're already doing the work of someone two grades above you, and we can't promote you unless we can show that we're going to be increasing your job responsibilities." Yeah. Two months later, I left. Fuggem.
Been there. Two valuable where your at to promote you, but you can train the person to whom you report to do their own job.
This happens probably more frequently than it should. Stories of hard working people going above and beyond because it is in our DNA. Unfortunately, companies may leverage this to their own advantage. To be sure, it is not “the company” but individuals in the company with selfish intentions and compliant senior management that create these situations.
"then we'd be looking for a senior person..."
spot on
I've been watching your videos for the past few days and I absolutely love how well you've nailed down the acting! Keep it up 💯
I was at a place for 12 years…running 3 departments and finally quit because a new supervisor was making me fight to do my job. First two people they hired to replace me quit in under a month and they ended up having to hire 3 people to do what I was doing.
This is why you find a new job and wait for your old job to hire you back for a 30% raise and promotion. Then you leave that job for another promotion somewhere else. I douobed my income in 4 years with that technique
When I left a job due to not being appreciated, I found out they had to hire two people to keep up with the work load they had given me. Glad I left.
7 years, 3,000 hours a year. No higher place to be promoted to because I wasn't a family member and all the daughters were already married. I ran their company. They literally hired 3 people to replace me. 30 years later the children are still pissed off when we meet in public and I still know that walking away made my career the success it became. Leave...
If you're a top performer doing 4 or 5 jobs, you got to shop around your talents. Got to be looking up for number one 😅
Companies ARE NEVER loyal to employees, and will screw you over in an instant if it suits them. It doesn't matter if your supervisor is the nicest person in the world. The company exists to make a profit, and employees are simply a means to that end.
Do not set yourself up in a vulnerable position bending over backwards for inadequate compensation. And certainly NEVER sacrifice your personal life or well-being for a job. A job is a means to pay bills so that you can actually enjoy life. Don't waste your fleeting time on this Earth or with your loved ones (whose time is also fleeting) for an employer that only sees YOU as a means to profit.
If you do a really good job, the last thing they want is for anything to change.
To all thoses managers who think office is their property and they gotta pick n choose , there's a special kind of hell for all you be ready for it.
Funny thing about those Derek guys is that now they are screwed because he is the only one who knows the way certain things work
A guy who traveled a lot for work had been promised help for years. It was always something--never a good time. When he finally put in his retirement papers, they brought THREE people on board for him to train!
They akways say that yiu should never stay in the sane job any longer than 3 years. I think overall this is very good advice that everyone should follow if you think about it...
In three years I've had two small raises and a title increase; but a previous company really screwed me for the 20 years I stayed (unaware of the way things work). Every company is different; but "stay frosty"...
When i left a city job, i did so stating "youll need 2 workers in my place. Ill be much better paid at my new job designed for 1 person." I was wrong about the city. It took 3. Appreciate what hard workers you have. Pay us well, we'll likely stick around. Loyal to the check.
Fun Fact: after growing up in the USA and now back in Canada, my birthplace, my main experience in Canada with people like this is that theyr'e BRITS. They LEAVE the "class system" in the UK, jump into management (something they seem to be really good at in self promotion), THEN CREATE the same "class system attitude" in Canada back home where they LEFT the UK because of it's ...........class system!! Hilarious, in a way. Give me a German or American boss any time.
I’m an American, and a family member is going through this exact thing in a German owned company. They keep firing mngt and promoting fam. mem. to their job but fam. mem. has to do all the jobs because they’re not hiring replacements. Fam. mem. is now looking for another job. Wonder how many they’ll have to hire to replace her/him. So American/German companies are no better.
I'm British and I'm genuinely intrigued about what you see as a class system attitude?
there is a class system here in America as well. it's just not as obvious. in academia it is more obvious
As much as I hate to say this but it totally depends if your manager is a upjumped business management student or a "self-taught" manager that is familiar with the work you are delivering/had to do to get to the position you are currently at. Its funny how you can distinguish someone from working in an office as a student or if someone worked in one of the bonebreaking jobs such as retail, construction or customer service. Most of the time completely different mannerisms. One will squeeze you out like a lemon and toss you away, the other will have a higher chance to be rather humane towards you.
People like that are why i started my own business 18 years ago.
I may be a young man, but I've so far learned to be loyal to my work ethic, not to any employer. If I know what I can and can't do then I know what I'm worth when talking at my next interview
Sounds like myself. The cool thing is I got seriously injured while performing my numerous jobs that they had to put 7, yes, 7 people to fill the positions while I recover. My supervisor is both dreading and rejoicing, the day I return. There is going to be a conversation on my pay.
I hope you enjoy your recovery and actually manage to get a liveable level of earnings from this.
I was Derek for five years, they took me so much for granted that they started giving me jobs just to eff with me...I guess they were bored. When they announced a salary freeze, I knew they were lying and I just started working longer and I got accused of milking the clock...I suspected that they were trying to get me to quit or fire me for any reason that they could find. The disrespect went too far one day and I sat down to formulate my two weeks notice letter and waited until the end pf business on Saturday night.
I was off on Sunday and I ignored any and all calls that day.
No one dared confront me about it, my boss couldn't even look me in the eye or wish me luck.
I went back a year and a half later to say hello to some long time customers there, but many of the same workers were there and they acted as if I quit on them. Many of them are still there over 20 years later. Go where you are celebrated, not simply tolerated.
Always regularly change jobs. You often get substantial salary increase and the resume/cv looks better. If the current job treats you bad in any aspect it will not change with time.
It's multiple jobs because they were always willing to give him more responsibility, just not the title and the money that comes with it.
They stopped giving promotions so we stopped trying and now they're upset we don't try anymore.
She's an excellent actress. Better than most you see in the movies.
You keep nailing scenarios from my past corporate life. Similar to one where they offer promotion, raises and flexibility to the person who just resigned.
I was working for a major bank years ago, I was at the associate level and I was the only one doing my job at in the US. My counterpart in Canada was a vice president. After I left that company they had problems filling my role.
I was Derek for 5 years in a company and was taking care of managerial responsibilities throughout my time. It was when the company hired a couple of managers externally that made me finally put in my resignation.
It’s sad this is truly how management sees us.. mistreat us, overlook us, overwork us, then complain we’re not loyal. I’m in this boat now. I’m looking for a new job. ENOUGH!!
Stay 4 years, get .50, get another job, start at $2 more...
This is REAL. And that is the PROBLEM.
Remember kids, if in 2 years in a company you don't advance or forsee an advance in role and/or a raise (in the near future), you better start looking for a better place.
This was me 2 years ago. Had No Regrets leaving👍
My last boss, when I told him I was job hunting, informed me that I'd been overdue for a raise for about four months, and that he'd postponed it because I had "efficiency problems."
What was his example of this problem? I was usually the last one to leave the office during the week.
I was his receptionist. I was receiving. I was the order tech. I handled problems with vendors. And I was the only one doing these jobs.
He never raised the first concern until that day.
The new job is so much nicer.
Remember, dedication is what they shaft you with.
Organizations are not loyal, and we all pay the price. Around and round the merry go round we go.
This is soOOOO accurate.
Yeah, it doesn't happen like that. They only offer the promotion after they've handed in their resignation.
dear Kate, i seldom ever write comments. ithink what u do is a work of art, this one has been my favourite. ive been giggling at many of your videos. ur plain expression is hilarious. God bless xD
If you think about promotion, just, the moment you asked for, start to actively seek another job at level (or even above) you think you have right to be promoted to. Bc loyalty at workplace is usually abused and punished by bosses. Just do it and see what will happens faster, promotion or new, better job in new place. Oh, and NEVER do a work of more than one person, it will decrease your chances to be moved to better position, bc it is too handy for management to have such a slave.
I would like to see a video on the job performance review... "we love that you always show up, never late, dont complain, get along with everyone" and you get a 3 out 5 review. Which means less of a raise than "market" value. And they wonder why people quit all the time. We have a revolving staff door.
Here's my advice. If you're in a position for at least 2 years and haven't been offered a promotion, switch jobs. No sense in staying in that position year after year just to get a 1-5% "raise" each year. Even if you can get 10-20%, which is still pretty good. Switching jobs/getting promoted can easily net you 30-50% more pay if you do it right. In 5 years, I've nearly quadrupled my income and I plan on doing the same the next 5 years. I'd be ok with 2-3 times my current income since I'll be already be in the six figures range. But I'll keep going.
Sounds pretty familiar. Meanwhile the person who plays the game gets promoted beyond his ability and becomes this woman
It even happens in the military, too. I work so hard to be a good communication, High Frequency (HF), and Ultra High Frequency (UHF) Ground to Air [aircraft] a year before leaving the USMC I received the Inspector General highest marks for (my) department number One😊 at Camp Pendleton CA.the communication unit not so.😮
When I left 1980, I had to split the department into two guys😢 H&S COM. 3/1🇺🇲