I have watched many videos on this hydra debacle, and somehow Nubs comes in late to the party fresh off holiday and breaks it down in the most clearest way possible. That green/yellow/red bar showing the "fun" stages of hydra diminishing was genius and truly articulates what has happened here.
Feel obligated to say I am mostly good with the hydra changes. Mostly. But with Trunda teams still working... that's a fubar on Plariums end. I also feel like they did too much at once. Like maybe they should've rolled out just a few features and see how that went first.
Ok so here's what happened: When Hydra released it wasn't all that fun. With a couple updates they made it manageable and then they slowly but surely gave us more and more solutions to make the content fun: buffed and new champions, buffed and new gearsets, awakenings, updated and buffed awakenings, mythical champions, hex rework, etc etc. Until finally the content was fun - excluding the frustrating to run Wixwell team. Then Plarium said whoops we never meant for Hydra to be enjoyable and wrecked it. And truthfully they could have done this and made it work by simply introducing ultra nightmare and having the changes take place on that difficulty anyways.
The only good change was the max turns. They effed us over big time on everything else and Trunda is still not fixed. I totally agree that the turn limit should still be lowered to 500 and then they can lower the rewards requirements. The game mode takes too much time!!!
totally agree! The other changes are just awful and make the game mode a pain in the ass! There is no fun in it... Maybe we should remind Plarium what a GAME is supposed to be!
Legitimately dislike Hydra now. Running keys a half a dozen times, getting timed out with the turn counter making champs who take extra turns a liability and krakens still kraekning unaffected.
@@nugsnothugs my PTW clan mates have been saying that manual is the “only viable option” for big points now. Their teams saw maybe a 30% dmg decrease, meanwhile my account that had JUST gotten brutal top chest saw an AVERAGE damage decrease of 58.61%, and I wasn’t using any of the nerfed champs. No Trunda, Wixwell/Yannica, no taunt champs. This update made Hydra a dead game mode for me. I do not have time to manual, which was my holdup of building a decent team until I pulled good enough champs to auto it… Last clash before the update I scored 850M points, now I can barely hit 400M
@@nugsnothugs It definitely favors manual which sucks - I spent a year getting my teams built to where they could perform well auto, honestly was at the point where I feel done with the game and wondering if at this point I just exit here
@@ulxtmx5018oh no, a new challenge in content you’ve already beaten? The horror. First week back I had my highest cumulative score in clash getting over 700 mil whereas before I struggled to reach top chest for clash, and we won our clash. Our first win in months too. You want single target damage and aoe debuffs. And tap heads on auto. I’ve had easy 1 keys NM to hard for months and still do, and have never cared whether we won clash or not. so this is definitely just my personal perspective
There are two levels of problem: 1) Endgame and Endgame-adjacent players 2) Midgame and lower players For Endgame/Adjacent players in Clash the problem is mainly the Serpent's Will 100% damage mitigation that is the issue. They are still crushing the damage to get all their chests, all their personal weekly rewards, free all their swallowed allies... etc. It's just that they kill so fast that they are seeing 4 Heads come back at almost the same time with Serpent's Will. For Midgame players, and below, who were just minding their own business over on Classic Hydra, the problem is the increased Head HP to chew through at the 5th Digestion. Many of this level of player was at a point here they were 'just' able to get the 1 key chest from Hard. I know, for me personally, my main Hard team on full auto, with me just manually changing the target as needed, was putting out 30-35 million per key. That stopped immediately when Head HP's changed on the 5th digestion, and suddenly I didn't have the damage to free my swallowed champ in 2 turns. So no instead of my run lasting 7 to 9 Digestions... it starts falling apart on the 5th. Which effectively halves my damage just because I don't last near as many turns. My champ's damage has not gone down (because I have no Trundas, no Yumekos, no Wixwell teams, or Shield com teams with Yanicka)... it's gone down because they have put up a new bottleneck for me at the 5th digestion. So, in changes that were advertised to be made to address imbalance on the Clash side of Hydra, I feel that the smaller players, who were mainly just focused on Classic Hydra, are the one's who took the bullet.... yes endgame players are seeing reduced damage, but they are all seeing it, an should be still on the same level playing field with each other, and they are still collecting all their same weekly and personal rewards, as they were before. That doesn't seem fair, and it doesn't seem like it was part of what they said they wanted to do.
I said it on HH video also but WHERE IS THE FUN? I remember the thing that got me into raid the most was when I first got my Coldhearts in Spider 20 to do max hits and watching the health bar drop so much was exciting as a player. Nowadays it all feels like long arduous drawn out fights with HP burn just chip damaging away. Where's the fun? Where's the moments where I get to feel like a boss? :D
dude, I missed your calm soothing voice. not to throw shade at other CC's, but a certain dude who screams stuff like "best legendary I had vaulted!!" was getting reccomended every time I looked for new videos of you and his energy kills my mellow vibe 😹
thank you, Nub! Yes, the yellow section is what makes this bad! The red section, although it feels terrible, is essentially the same as it was before for a vast majority of the players. The biggest problem is the new length of the yellow section which is the cause of more heads being up with serpent's will. Please shout this from the mountain tops so the community understands and we can get aligned to hopefully drive change.
With the change to the HP of the decapped heads, champ rotation is thrown out the window. As I've said time and again, Plarium has no concept of tuning: they either under-tune and let stuff go rampant, or they over-tune and overcorrect. After they made the change to Trunda and shields, they should have left the Hydra as is, and then changed the Hydra Clash. Instead they changed the turn limit, changed the HP from infinite, changed the Serpent's Will to a block damage, and HAVEN'T changed the chests, point requirements, or Hydra Clash in any way. They are hopelessly shortsighted
There are so many ways to fix Hydra but we all know the Plarium way: New Mythical champ with A1: Aoe Block buffs and Provoke passive: ignore Serpents Will
Welkom back, we knew about these changes for a long time. "Don't worry we have tested hydra on a ton of accounts including early mid and end game accounts. One ton is 100.000 right? The max chest requirement from 1,2 Billion should be reduced to a lower number. Previously I was doing 4 billion with 3 keys now 650 million with 3 keys. Plarium said they knew that the damage would not be effected. Nerfing a community champion is the worst move of all time.
Pay-larium is We Todd Did (speak it out loud & it will make sense.) Turning players off of hydra will effect farming live arena & pushing for area bonuses. They killed 2 game modes with this NERF!
@@mattshelton7423 My point exactly. Live arena already has a lot working against it. The only reason I occasionally made myself do it was to farm metals & Marius missions. With hydra being broken it's one less reason. It's another nail in the coffin of an already unpopular annoying game mode. All because they didn't want to outright nerf some champs.
It felt like the champ changes, that were "thoroughly tested" by Plarium, were intended to reduce Trunda to still be the best but more reasonable to keep the Krakens happy; and destroy the shield comps the low spend and f2p were using. And the Hydra changes were to cripple low spend/f2p and try to force them into spending by raising the barriers to entry. Very early game and end game players are mostly unaffected, just lower points on end game. Mid-late game players losing half there damage is a blow. Huge difference going from 300-400 hydra turns to 130-160 due to devour change, devour change is completely ignored by early and end game players but kills players that are coming up that don't have insane damage but were able to drag the fight out.
I disagree with it hurting ftp *late game* players...I find it hilarious my ftp endgame team (lucky with Teox) is hitting for 500M on the new update but never made it past 700M previously is beating out CC comps that theyve shown on videos where before they were comfortably hitting 1B on the regular. This Hydra change hurts endgame players worse because it caps out damage around the 500-700M range for 99% of players regardless of optimal gear and team comps.
@@PAKgymnastics depends on what you consider "late game", late game in my head are players that are lvl 80+ that are push toward getting all the hydra clash personal chests (1.2 billion) and doing that over several weeks, pushing toward getting in 1-2 weeks, like the strong end game players.
One change, which could be impactful, would be to make Hydra heads under the serpent's will be immune to Dec Speed and Dec Turn Meter. For me, one of the most annoying scenarios is having 3 heads with Serpent's will and Dec Speed and then decapitating the Head of Mischief. Completely depleting the other head's turn meters!! 😮😢
One thing the change does fantastically well is stopping normal being the best place to earn clash points. I lost 30% of my clash points the first week, moved all my 3 teams up one layer in hydra and got them all back this week.
Somewhere along the lines of "its going to take a multitude of rotations to figure out what needs to be done, so deal with it until then. also if we need too, we WILL nerf Trunda"
There is one thing you missed. The doubling of the consumption bar. Thats where my teams fall apart. Inevitably the first doubled consumption bar takes away my big hitter or my hexer and the big shield goes on that head, and poison cloud gets out and the run ends. And that may be intended but it feels really bad, I'm getting around a billion clash points now which also feels bad. I was just starting to enjoy hydra before they buffed the monster. Now I hate it again
In my opinion the only way to future proof Hydra Clash is to put a cap on the amount of points that can be earned per key per difficulty. Hydra Clash is supposed to be a clan based event and by putting a cap on points forces every clan member to participate in order to win. If for some reason there is a tie between clans. The clan with the best time and fewer turns could win for example. Then Raid could possibly reverse some of the more unpopular changes and allow players to push their accounts to see how many billions of damage they can do without effecting the points. Nerfing champs isn’t really going to solve anything because they’ll just be replaced by other OP champs and the cycle will continue.
If it weren’t for stoneskin and protection accessories I wouldn’t bother trying to surpass the minimum for each difficulty, which would take maybe a hour total once all 3 keys were used
Hydra only became a problem because of endgame Clash players. Instead of addressing how they score Clash, they decided to only make radical changes to the encounter itself, which had the collateral effect of ruining, not just making it more difficult, the game mode for the majority of players.
I think there was supposed to be 2 positive changes in addition to all the nerfs, not just 1.. 1, the respawn buff was supposed to be on only 1 head at a time, and 2, the ai was supposed to start focusing heads that have the digestion meter. Lots of people missed the 2nd one, but neither of them came into the live version.. Honestly, if they fixed those 2 things, I'd be fine with running a few autos on each difficulty every week
Good to have you back in ireland! Actually you did catch up very quickly and analysed the Hydra-Situation very well. I full agree they totally srewed up the "complex solution". Yes the turn reduction is good, yes they improved on the Trunda dominace, but at the same time they made Hydra so much worst and frustrated so many players. Instead of nerfing two overpowered champs they nerfed hundereds of champions and uncounted teams, didn't adapt the required scores and made the Mode way less fun. One can not say anythin else but: What a fail!
I think your right about the time of damage and limit of damage with Hydra heads. I would also say, it’s good to slow down decapitated head but not new head. If the 100% no damage also included 100% turn meter block, that would help also. So we can still put on decrease speed when the head comes back, but it doesn’t slow it down the first turn and if dec spd was 2 turn, then it’s second turn it will effect
The fact that they lowered the turns, lowered the damage, but kept the same requirements for chests is the worst. It does nothing to krakens who still have multibillion teams that easily get it, but everyone else gets screwed on the rewards. Then yeah, agreed on the "fun" phases being shorter. Also, multiple times I've run into Serpent's will being up on all the heads, so nothing can be done. All in all, these changes are a huge fail, and make hydra feel even worse than it did before.
Absolutely crushed my dreams of building from normal hydra to hard, to brutal. I feel like I'm years away, progression rather than a little optimisation at a time to progress through the chests. My team that did 60 million on auto at normal did 30 million after the changes but thats team only managed 11.5 million at hard. My second team can barely do 7 million on normal, I had to rerun it three times to get the normal chests. Just feels bad, hydra spanks me and I dont feel like I get to spank back.
I was doing pretty close to 650M before, and personal rewards would be done in 2 weeks to get 1.2B then the changes, and now, doing 150M, and now it's going to take 8 weeks to get the same rewards as it took 2 weeks before. Then the clash chest rewards are also lowered, which is again bad for people who were used to getting a top chest before, and now they get a much lower chest for clash This is a terrible change. Not all of us have the needed books and blessings to make a new hydra team, so this made it so unfun that it makes lots of people want to quit There have already been lots of people that did quit, or refuse to even bother with hydra anymore
They need to increase normal heads hp pool by about 20%, increase max hp of decapitated heads by about 10%, and put in a couple more rules in regards to the new head damage reduction buff. Maybe something like there can only be 2 heads at anytime with that buff. Or if a new head spawns and a living head sill has the buff, it is transferred to the new head
Welcome back man! Hope the trip was awesome. Now, sort out Plarium for us haha! Problem for me as someone who was not doing high damage, is with the new digest rules, i am down 50% on damage and I now only use two keys, on Normal and Hard. Brutal is pointless, cant get anything.
I would like to see them cap the new head buff to only be able to have 2 of them immune to damage at a time as I can tell you that it does feel bad to waste turns hitting 4 immune heads. It will be nice to see you get back to your roots and one of the reasons why I started following you when you were considered the deadwoodjedi of Hydra.
I said it on Facebook, and i said it again. The heads should be inmune to *DIRECT DAMAGE* Burns, Hex, Reflect, Counter Attacks, all of those things should still doing damage over Serpent's Will.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Losing control because heads come back too fast. Maybe solution would be to cap the damage on dead heads but still require the dead heads to take their full 2 turns before coming back.
I think either they need to get rid of the immunity when they respawn or have it so that only one head can have it at a time. I have had so many times already where 2-3 of them are immune to damage and that is just too crazy.
The reason they changed Hydra instead of just trunda was to lower the number of players who gets personal reward chest every week. They realise this is to much to get every week and had to fix it
I've also noticed that I don't just get less time with decapitated heads but I also get less time with normal heads. Seems like I slam down the normal heads faster than I used to, then I slam down the decapitated head in pretty much no time, and it feels like about half the time the heads are in damage reduction mode. I am also a little confused about inc/dec speed. Sometimes I need it, like when someone gets eaten. I really want to slow down the head in that case. But I really don't want ot slow it down when it's got the newly spawned buff. Still cant' decide if inc/dec speed is a good thing or a bad thing...
what was the most fun for me doing hyda was doing high dmg with non trunda teams with ally atk based raw dmg teams but now the heads respawn so fast i have to take out my ally atk champions and replace them with revievers its so dumb... the update sucked the fun out of hydra for me.
That’s the truth. The most fun was watching the massive damage numbers on decapitated heads. I never liked hydra, but I would manual on occasion to see how much damage I could get a new champion to do. My other problem is NM. I can’t get my 1.3B points on auto with my fairly decent end game team anymore. I can’t do it manually, but again, I really don’t like the game mode and would rather just let it play itself. Maybe I’ll pull that new void legendary or a mythical and be back to where I was before, but probably not.
I think that this is a good change overall, but it came at the wrong time. If this change happened right when Hydra Clash dropped, I don't think people would be freaking out. The problem is that people got used to winning whatever rewards they were winning, and this has taken it away from some. I do think that when people get a better hold on Provoke and block buffs cycling, scores will creep back up. I used Soulless on my hard team and that team suffered way less from this update than my brutal team largely because he can so effectively put out provoke. Champs with multiple provokes will be much better than champs with a single provoke with additional other utility.
Yes, Trunda teams aren't as broken, but that seems to be almost exclusively do to the fact that the fixed her skills so they operate properly rather than because of changes to hydra itself. They could have just fixed Trunda and cheese teams without making hydra harder for everyone or requiring completely new teams to be built.
They could have handled it so much better. Like, why not just change the way how the Clash chest reward threshold works. Instead of making it the *actual* damage done, make it so that if you do a certain damage threshold, you get 1 point. The next threshold: 2 points. And do so for maybe 4 or 5 thresholds. So for example, if the damage threshold for, say, 5 points, is 80 million (or whatever, pick a number), then the person doing 80 million damage gets 5 points and the person doing 200 billion gets the same 5 points. Then they can still boast about how much damage they're doing, but it doesn't throw off Hydra Clash really at all. I don't know, just a thought. Either way, I think Plarium did a shit job on how they handled it.
Welcome back about time 😂. Think the biggest issue for me as a medium player is the eating increase bar. When champs get eaten for 4+ time its really hard to save them. Vhave to be lucky on with head eats it and hope they dont get shield after
New clan boss for Christmas maybe...? Clanboss that is based on levels going through every boss in the game and you have clan point threshold to get to each level. Make it the only way to win siege?
Still no excuse for those of us fighting to get to top chests, getting hammered so hard with this nerf. Spent most of my resources (energy and silver) during the Asgard events, then the nerf comes. I barely had enough to regear my Demon lord to get to half my regular points. It will be months before I can afford to regear 18 champs for the New Hydra. Not to mention that I've had to manual hydra just to get to 1/4 of the points I used to which means 2-3 times more time spent in Hydra defeating the whole turn count reduction. All around failed to do anything to those that were abusing the system, hammering hard those that can't fight back against the "adjustments". Shitty real shitty.
I really like when I target a head that just ate a champ, and none of my other champs actually target that head.. WHOOO HOO!! Such fun! Oh it also happened when I too off auto and did some of the run on manuel...
I agree with you! They made Hydra even worse to play. It wasn't really popular before and most people didn't really enjoy doing a 1h manual key. And Plarium just made it worse. The AI on auto is just horrible. The F2P are the most impacted by these changes. They should change the block damage and make so that no more than 2 heads can have it at the same time (no matter when they respawn)
Felt stupid when everything is decapitated - about as bad as all the serpent's' will. The fact that all heads can be down all the time for some teams was what created the whole hydra point problem - super powered teams could just keep the hydra always dead. I just don't like the collateral impact on weaker teams that couldn't wipe everything all the time. There was no need to break Wixwell for hydra - not with Taunt gone.
Imo the changes were really good however they should've lowered all damage requirements for the chests in the same proportions. Just to help out the new or midgame players
My teams are barely affected by this because I wasn't doing over 200m per difficulty. There is a lot more RNG now though because of the uptime though. I still hate poison cloud (run Ukko so very susceptible to this), decay and suffering causing runs to end early because of unbreakable devours. My solution for Plarium would be to put devour over the shield.
CC wanting more nerfs... also, that team hitting 5b with trunda was not about the champion but about the player. The range of trunda is wide, some doing under 1b some more. Just like before all the nerfs - i don't care and like to see people pushing damage. Now we have the nerf idea rolling, it wont stop. Next they will nerf Leyasu or Teox. Calling for MORE nerfs because 1 player excels is unbelievable. I don't have Trunda and now i have been punished in this game because of videos like this one that is based on nonsense.
these changes are the fault of all the ccs being dumb stop complaing about non issue things.. because now wix emic and verious other tokns are now useless.. thank you for making my clan quit
They saved me so much time 😅 no more Hydra at current state is simply better than 1K turns. Worst part of Hydra was the amount of RNG and they basicaly just multiplied this factor. No thank you, keep your gear i have no place for + no motivation for live arena, to sum it up more time outside RAID... Well done, good job 😅
They did this so they can release a Armanz style champ for hydra with block buff with 1 turn cooldown AND Provoke Aoe for 6 turn with 1 turn cooldown and his A3 is Aoe hex.
I dont care about hydra anymore, I just hit auto and whatever happens, happens. They should have just left it alone, and scrapped hydra clash. No need for rewards based competitive mode on PVE content. They should just put the clash rewards in the progressive chests. I used to manual three runs, now i dont care.
I can still 1 key up to brutal. IF i can bother to manual for up to 1 hour per key. But my personal rewards went from 3 to 4 weeks to hit 1.2bil score to up to 10 weeks to hit 1.2bil score... Didn't use wixwell for CB so no changes there :-(
Plarium absolutely does not understand the concept root cause analysis. They change a bunch of things at once, wipe their hands and call it a day. They didn't even fix the underlying issues lmao. They don't properly playtest this shit. The fact that they called out players for doing too much damage and avoiding mechanics as a justification for changes is comical. They seem to forget that they constantly release increasingly more power-crept champions, sets, gamemodes, etc. They did it to themselves, and then they sell these solutions and give us a surprise pikachu face when those same people steamroll the content. Hydra is damn near two years old at this point. People's accounts have moved on from Hydra and have the content on farm (This is not to say that the majority of playerbase has hydra on farm, I have a 4 year old account and just started hitting top brutal key in hydra). The same things happened to clan boss. It's nearing the point of being old content other then the sets still being relevant and it having a "competitive" aspect to it. Instead of adjusting the scoring in clash, or just changing trunda, yumeko, and wixwell, they have decided to nerf two of those three (even though trunda is still phenomenal), remove player-positive mechanics, worsen other mechanics, and then leave everything else unchanged. So the people already farming hydra are still just checking out farming it, unless they are taking clash seriously, and everyone else who doesnt have it on farm are now being punished.
Hydra should be anything less then 750 at most. 1000 turn limit is fine. It's sapose to be a long battle and it the only game mode that you can really get stuck into. New serpents will buff sucks and has just made the game more undesirable to play. Along with the change to decapitation it's kinda like what's the point. Plarium doesn't care, it's end game content and they don't give a fuck if it's enjoyable or not. As long as it drives sales towards Trunda style teams they are happy. I just run mu NM team now, get my personal rewards and then min run for top chests in other difficulties. Till they fix it properly for balance and enjoyment (doesn't have to be easy, just enjoyable) Hydra holds no interest any more. Glad you got some good time way man, welcome back to hell 🤣 jj
I’m not opposed to Plarium making changes, but they do so without adjusting other related things. They keep adding gear but limit how much gear you can have and they keep the crap gear. Lowering Hydra scores without adjusting chest rewards. It seems like they don’t play the game.
They made the cap 1000 turns but totally destroyed the AI, Auto is unusable and the manual 1000 turns takes more time then the old 1500 turns because of the additional attention required. One mistake, one bad rng at turn 700 and your champions get eaten and it is game over.
I just don't get why they don't apply changes based on difficulty. Let normal/hard remain as it was, change brutal and add for example the block damage, add the HP bar for nightmare. Or make a UNM game mode that gives more points for clash to separate the competitive element from the rest that just want to do the hydra for some rewards. They are so braindead when it comes to their own game it is ridiculous.
Let's see my high scoring hydra team on Rotation #2 Normal was doing over 200 million, now I have to run it about 12 times just to finally get to 100 million.. This team doesn't have Wixwell or Trunda... Yet they claimed they fixed Trunda, there are teams with Trunda still scoring insane damage so Plarium will continue to sell her in packs and events..
i was looking forward to this one 😂. i get the chests and stuff, but i can't auto hard or normal anymore because the AI sucks AND i have multiple times when all 4 heads have the damage reduction.
For the trunda bit, I’m wondering how much is enough? I feel like the community feedback was mostly “she does too much damage.” And in fairness they reduced it a lot. The 10x ratio you tossed out is actually a bit off. It went from more like 18x (90B Trunda vs. 5b Basic) to 3x. What’s the right ratio? 0.5? 1? 2? Part of the feedback as well was don’t make trunda irrelevant.
It’s actually 20b to 120b and the 20b could of been a lot higher, so 6x. Also rn is the worst rotation for trunda so the difference is actually way higher then 3x.
But at least they got rid of Wixwell and Taunt loops so those annoying low-spenders can’t compete anymore. Mission accomplished! And Nubs, how about taking your victory lap for all the times you cried about Wixwell being “cheese” while utterly ignoring the Yumeko effect? Congrats!
They should make new heads with the buff takes damage from hp burn at least it will open new team comb hp burn detenation and also make hp on decapitated heads x3 x4 or their hp
They should have just added another difficulty after nightmare with better rewards than change the whole mechanics. it's funny players now avoid normal difficulty because its harder to manage the decapitated heads and the limited damage you do.
That thing about hp bar color not changing is incredibly annoying... i play hydra manually and happens dozens of time that i forget anout decapitated head... so bad
All that work , resources and time to build up a team then POOF ! regular players get spanked because of whales and then the whales with the huge rosters can still crush the Hydra
I have watched many videos on this hydra debacle, and somehow Nubs comes in late to the party fresh off holiday and breaks it down in the most clearest way possible. That green/yellow/red bar showing the "fun" stages of hydra diminishing was genius and truly articulates what has happened here.
Feel obligated to say I am mostly good with the hydra changes. Mostly. But with Trunda teams still working... that's a fubar on Plariums end. I also feel like they did too much at once. Like maybe they should've rolled out just a few features and see how that went first.
@@periculummus there’s a reason we celebrated his return from Japan nubs is far and away the best raid content creator
Ok so here's what happened:
When Hydra released it wasn't all that fun. With a couple updates they made it manageable and then they slowly but surely gave us more and more solutions to make the content fun: buffed and new champions, buffed and new gearsets, awakenings, updated and buffed awakenings, mythical champions, hex rework, etc etc. Until finally the content was fun - excluding the frustrating to run Wixwell team.
Then Plarium said whoops we never meant for Hydra to be enjoyable and wrecked it. And truthfully they could have done this and made it work by simply introducing ultra nightmare and having the changes take place on that difficulty anyways.
Yeah exactly
The only good change was the max turns. They effed us over big time on everything else and Trunda is still not fixed. I totally agree that the turn limit should still be lowered to 500 and then they can lower the rewards requirements. The game mode takes too much time!!!
@johnnierichardson3289 this would be a positive change, unfortunately it's something players want so Plarium CAN NOT do this.
totally agree! The other changes are just awful and make the game mode a pain in the ass! There is no fun in it... Maybe we should remind Plarium what a GAME is supposed to be!
the increased poison cloud reflect damage and cleanses + the auto ai being really weird completely destroyed my auto teams
Hydra heads have 4 phases - normal; dead; fresh spawn; devour
devour feels the worse for me
Legitimately dislike Hydra now. Running keys a half a dozen times, getting timed out with the turn counter making champs who take extra turns a liability and krakens still kraekning unaffected.
I think this was a stealth change to force people to run manual. Auto battles are a mess now, but my manual runs have had zero issues
@@nugsnothugs my PTW clan mates have been saying that manual is the “only viable option” for big points now. Their teams saw maybe a 30% dmg decrease, meanwhile my account that had JUST gotten brutal top chest saw an AVERAGE damage decrease of 58.61%, and I wasn’t using any of the nerfed champs. No Trunda, Wixwell/Yannica, no taunt champs.
This update made Hydra a dead game mode for me. I do not have time to manual, which was my holdup of building a decent team until I pulled good enough champs to auto it…
Last clash before the update I scored 850M points, now I can barely hit 400M
@@nugsnothugs It definitely favors manual which sucks - I spent a year getting my teams built to where they could perform well auto, honestly was at the point where I feel done with the game and wondering if at this point I just exit here
@@ulxtmx5018oh no, a new challenge in content you’ve already beaten? The horror. First week back I had my highest cumulative score in clash getting over 700 mil whereas before I struggled to reach top chest for clash, and we won our clash. Our first win in months too. You want single target damage and aoe debuffs. And tap heads on auto. I’ve had easy 1 keys NM to hard for months and still do, and have never cared whether we won clash or not. so this is definitely just my personal perspective
There are two levels of problem:
1) Endgame and Endgame-adjacent players
2) Midgame and lower players
For Endgame/Adjacent players in Clash the problem is mainly the Serpent's Will 100% damage mitigation that is the issue. They are still crushing the damage to get all their chests, all their personal weekly rewards, free all their swallowed allies... etc. It's just that they kill so fast that they are seeing 4 Heads come back at almost the same time with Serpent's Will.
For Midgame players, and below, who were just minding their own business over on Classic Hydra, the problem is the increased Head HP to chew through at the 5th Digestion. Many of this level of player was at a point here they were 'just' able to get the 1 key chest from Hard. I know, for me personally, my main Hard team on full auto, with me just manually changing the target as needed, was putting out 30-35 million per key. That stopped immediately when Head HP's changed on the 5th digestion, and suddenly I didn't have the damage to free my swallowed champ in 2 turns. So no instead of my run lasting 7 to 9 Digestions... it starts falling apart on the 5th. Which effectively halves my damage just because I don't last near as many turns. My champ's damage has not gone down (because I have no Trundas, no Yumekos, no Wixwell teams, or Shield com teams with Yanicka)... it's gone down because they have put up a new bottleneck for me at the 5th digestion.
So, in changes that were advertised to be made to address imbalance on the Clash side of Hydra, I feel that the smaller players, who were mainly just focused on Classic Hydra, are the one's who took the bullet.... yes endgame players are seeing reduced damage, but they are all seeing it, an should be still on the same level playing field with each other, and they are still collecting all their same weekly and personal rewards, as they were before. That doesn't seem fair, and it doesn't seem like it was part of what they said they wanted to do.
Biggest problem is that the big crazy keys are still big crazy keys while average players and early players are now crushed.
I said it on HH video also but WHERE IS THE FUN? I remember the thing that got me into raid the most was when I first got my Coldhearts in Spider 20 to do max hits and watching the health bar drop so much was exciting as a player. Nowadays it all feels like long arduous drawn out fights with HP burn just chip damaging away. Where's the fun? Where's the moments where I get to feel like a boss? :D
Yeah I remember that feeling then getting mistreated monster was a big deal , then a skull crown !
dude, I missed your calm soothing voice.
not to throw shade at other CC's, but a certain dude who screams stuff like "best legendary I had vaulted!!" was getting reccomended every time I looked for new videos of you and his energy kills my mellow vibe 😹
Nubs and some smooth Jazz to set the RSL mood 🤣
thank you, Nub! Yes, the yellow section is what makes this bad! The red section, although it feels terrible, is essentially the same as it was before for a vast majority of the players. The biggest problem is the new length of the yellow section which is the cause of more heads being up with serpent's will. Please shout this from the mountain tops so the community understands and we can get aligned to hopefully drive change.
With the change to the HP of the decapped heads, champ rotation is thrown out the window. As I've said time and again, Plarium has no concept of tuning: they either under-tune and let stuff go rampant, or they over-tune and overcorrect. After they made the change to Trunda and shields, they should have left the Hydra as is, and then changed the Hydra Clash. Instead they changed the turn limit, changed the HP from infinite, changed the Serpent's Will to a block damage, and HAVEN'T changed the chests, point requirements, or Hydra Clash in any way. They are hopelessly shortsighted
No drama here. I quit a week ago. Still getting recommends for videos from CCs though so I'll drop a like and view till that stops I suppose.
“I’m gonna feed the algorithm and hope it doesn’t get fat” dude, you are only guaranteeing you’re gonna get more recommendations by commenting/liking…
I also quit. Best raid gamemode ever.
There are so many ways to fix Hydra but we all know the Plarium way:
New Mythical champ with
A1: Aoe Block buffs and Provoke
passive: ignore Serpents Will
Welcome back my dude. Super jealous of your trip. Been wanting to go back to Japan so badly!
Welkom back, we knew about these changes for a long time. "Don't worry we have tested hydra on a ton of accounts including early mid and end game accounts. One ton is 100.000 right? The max chest requirement from 1,2 Billion should be reduced to a lower number. Previously I was doing 4 billion with 3 keys now 650 million with 3 keys. Plarium said they knew that the damage would not be effected. Nerfing a community champion is the worst move of all time.
Pay-larium is We Todd Did (speak it out loud & it will make sense.)
Turning players off of hydra will effect farming live arena & pushing for area bonuses.
They killed 2 game modes with this NERF!
Live Arena was already a dead game mode for me, and that’s strictly on the timers never being open when I’m not at work or asleep 🤦🏼♂️
@@mattshelton7423 My point exactly. Live arena already has a lot working against it. The only reason I occasionally made myself do it was to farm metals & Marius missions. With hydra being broken it's one less reason. It's another nail in the coffin of an already unpopular annoying game mode. All because they didn't want to outright nerf some champs.
hope you had an awesome trip. embarrassed to admit how much I missed your videos as part of my am routine. welcome home.
It felt like the champ changes, that were "thoroughly tested" by Plarium, were intended to reduce Trunda to still be the best but more reasonable to keep the Krakens happy; and destroy the shield comps the low spend and f2p were using. And the Hydra changes were to cripple low spend/f2p and try to force them into spending by raising the barriers to entry. Very early game and end game players are mostly unaffected, just lower points on end game. Mid-late game players losing half there damage is a blow. Huge difference going from 300-400 hydra turns to 130-160 due to devour change, devour change is completely ignored by early and end game players but kills players that are coming up that don't have insane damage but were able to drag the fight out.
I disagree with it hurting ftp *late game* players...I find it hilarious my ftp endgame team (lucky with Teox) is hitting for 500M on the new update but never made it past 700M previously is beating out CC comps that theyve shown on videos where before they were comfortably hitting 1B on the regular. This Hydra change hurts endgame players worse because it caps out damage around the 500-700M range for 99% of players regardless of optimal gear and team comps.
@@PAKgymnastics depends on what you consider "late game", late game in my head are players that are lvl 80+ that are push toward getting all the hydra clash personal chests (1.2 billion) and doing that over several weeks, pushing toward getting in 1-2 weeks, like the strong end game players.
WHAT!!!!!!!! Plarium made promises and didn't deliver. OH SHI, this is a first in 5 years. Plarium has NEVER don't that before. (SARCAMS)
Hydra is challenging as it should have been.
@gkar9757 what the hell does this have to do with my post.
@@gkar9757 lol theyve basically cut off our legs and gave us a wheelchair.
One change, which could be impactful, would be to make Hydra heads under the serpent's will be immune to Dec Speed and Dec Turn Meter. For me, one of the most annoying scenarios is having 3 heads with Serpent's will and Dec Speed and then decapitating the Head of Mischief. Completely depleting the other head's turn meters!! 😮😢
One thing the change does fantastically well is stopping normal being the best place to earn clash points. I lost 30% of my clash points the first week, moved all my 3 teams up one layer in hydra and got them all back this week.
So what is Plariums respond? They have to change it.. They are killing their only end game in the game..
Somewhere along the lines of "its going to take a multitude of rotations to figure out what needs to be done, so deal with it until then. also if we need too, we WILL nerf Trunda"
There is one thing you missed. The doubling of the consumption bar. Thats where my teams fall apart. Inevitably the first doubled consumption bar takes away my big hitter or my hexer and the big shield goes on that head, and poison cloud gets out and the run ends. And that may be intended but it feels really bad, I'm getting around a billion clash points now which also feels bad. I was just starting to enjoy hydra before they buffed the monster. Now I hate it again
In my opinion the only way to future proof Hydra Clash is to put a cap on the amount of points that can be earned per key per difficulty. Hydra Clash is supposed to be a clan based event and by putting a cap on points forces every clan member to participate in order to win. If for some reason there is a tie between clans. The clan with the best time and fewer turns could win for example. Then Raid could possibly reverse some of the more unpopular changes and allow players to push their accounts to see how many billions of damage they can do without effecting the points. Nerfing champs isn’t really going to solve anything because they’ll just be replaced by other OP champs and the cycle will continue.
If it weren’t for stoneskin and protection accessories I wouldn’t bother trying to surpass the minimum for each difficulty, which would take maybe a hour total once all 3 keys were used
Welcome back hopefully you’ve had a great holiday! Hydra is miserable to play they need to scale back the changes
Hydra only became a problem because of endgame Clash players. Instead of addressing how they score Clash, they decided to only make radical changes to the encounter itself, which had the collateral effect of ruining, not just making it more difficult, the game mode for the majority of players.
I think there was supposed to be 2 positive changes in addition to all the nerfs, not just 1.. 1, the respawn buff was supposed to be on only 1 head at a time, and 2, the ai was supposed to start focusing heads that have the digestion meter. Lots of people missed the 2nd one, but neither of them came into the live version.. Honestly, if they fixed those 2 things, I'd be fine with running a few autos on each difficulty every week
Awesome u are back and had safe travels. Ty for the vids
Good to have you back in ireland! Actually you did catch up very quickly and analysed the Hydra-Situation very well. I full agree they totally srewed up the "complex solution". Yes the turn reduction is good, yes they improved on the Trunda dominace, but at the same time they made Hydra so much worst and frustrated so many players. Instead of nerfing two overpowered champs they nerfed hundereds of champions and uncounted teams, didn't adapt the required scores and made the Mode way less fun.
One can not say anythin else but: What a fail!
I think your right about the time of damage and limit of damage with Hydra heads. I would also say, it’s good to slow down decapitated head but not new head. If the 100% no damage also included 100% turn meter block, that would help also. So we can still put on decrease speed when the head comes back, but it doesn’t slow it down the first turn and if dec spd was 2 turn, then it’s second turn it will effect
I agree, and the issue it creates for me is managing the skills for champs like Krisk that do speed debuff on A1
The fact that they lowered the turns, lowered the damage, but kept the same requirements for chests is the worst. It does nothing to krakens who still have multibillion teams that easily get it, but everyone else gets screwed on the rewards. Then yeah, agreed on the "fun" phases being shorter. Also, multiple times I've run into Serpent's will being up on all the heads, so nothing can be done. All in all, these changes are a huge fail, and make hydra feel even worse than it did before.
the wixwell/shield nerf should have just been in hydra so the blow to the community wouldn't have been so bad
Absolutely crushed my dreams of building from normal hydra to hard, to brutal. I feel like I'm years away, progression rather than a little optimisation at a time to progress through the chests.
My team that did 60 million on auto at normal did 30 million after the changes but thats team only managed 11.5 million at hard.
My second team can barely do 7 million on normal, I had to rerun it three times to get the normal chests.
Just feels bad, hydra spanks me and I dont feel like I get to spank back.
I was doing pretty close to 650M before, and personal rewards would be done in 2 weeks to get 1.2B
then the changes, and now, doing 150M, and now it's going to take 8 weeks to get the same rewards as it took 2 weeks before.
Then the clash chest rewards are also lowered, which is again bad for people who were used to getting a top chest before, and now they get a much lower chest for clash
This is a terrible change. Not all of us have the needed books and blessings to make a new hydra team, so this made it so unfun that it makes lots of people want to quit
There have already been lots of people that did quit, or refuse to even bother with hydra anymore
They need to increase normal heads hp pool by about 20%, increase max hp of decapitated heads by about 10%, and put in a couple more rules in regards to the new head damage reduction buff. Maybe something like there can only be 2 heads at anytime with that buff. Or if a new head spawns and a living head sill has the buff, it is transferred to the new head
Welcome back man! Hope the trip was awesome. Now, sort out Plarium for us haha! Problem for me as someone who was not doing high damage, is with the new digest rules, i am down 50% on damage and I now only use two keys, on Normal and Hard. Brutal is pointless, cant get anything.
I would like to see them cap the new head buff to only be able to have 2 of them immune to damage at a time as I can tell you that it does feel bad to waste turns hitting 4 immune heads.
It will be nice to see you get back to your roots and one of the reasons why I started following you when you were considered the deadwoodjedi of Hydra.
I said it on Facebook, and i said it again. The heads should be inmune to *DIRECT DAMAGE*
Burns, Hex, Reflect, Counter Attacks, all of those things should still doing damage over Serpent's Will.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Losing control because heads come back too fast. Maybe solution would be to cap the damage on dead heads but still require the dead heads to take their full 2 turns before coming back.
I hope the holiday was great, welcome back Nub!
Your back!! Hope you had a great trip!
Welcome back! You missed some good drama.
I think either they need to get rid of the immunity when they respawn or have it so that only one head can have it at a time. I have had so many times already where 2-3 of them are immune to damage and that is just too crazy.
The reason they changed Hydra instead of just trunda was to lower the number of players who gets personal reward chest every week. They realise this is to much to get every week and had to fix it
I've also noticed that I don't just get less time with decapitated heads but I also get less time with normal heads. Seems like I slam down the normal heads faster than I used to, then I slam down the decapitated head in pretty much no time, and it feels like about half the time the heads are in damage reduction mode. I am also a little confused about inc/dec speed. Sometimes I need it, like when someone gets eaten. I really want to slow down the head in that case. But I really don't want ot slow it down when it's got the newly spawned buff. Still cant' decide if inc/dec speed is a good thing or a bad thing...
The yellow most fun part and then all your champs start twatting the heads with serpents will! Gotta love the funky AI on auto!
Welcome back Nubs. I missed your daily "Welcome back to Nub Raids" .
what was the most fun for me doing hyda was doing high dmg with non trunda teams with ally atk based raw dmg teams but now the heads respawn so fast i have to take out my ally atk champions and replace them with revievers its so dumb... the update sucked the fun out of hydra for me.
Welcome back bro! Missed your content.
That’s the truth. The most fun was watching the massive damage numbers on decapitated heads. I never liked hydra, but I would manual on occasion to see how much damage I could get a new champion to do.
My other problem is NM. I can’t get my 1.3B points on auto with my fairly decent end game team anymore. I can’t do it manually, but again, I really don’t like the game mode and would rather just let it play itself.
Maybe I’ll pull that new void legendary or a mythical and be back to where I was before, but probably not.
I think that this is a good change overall, but it came at the wrong time.
If this change happened right when Hydra Clash dropped, I don't think people would be freaking out. The problem is that people got used to winning whatever rewards they were winning, and this has taken it away from some.
I do think that when people get a better hold on Provoke and block buffs cycling, scores will creep back up.
I used Soulless on my hard team and that team suffered way less from this update than my brutal team largely because he can so effectively put out provoke. Champs with multiple provokes will be much better than champs with a single provoke with additional other utility.
Glad to have you back Nubs!
Yes, Trunda teams aren't as broken, but that seems to be almost exclusively do to the fact that the fixed her skills so they operate properly rather than because of changes to hydra itself. They could have just fixed Trunda and cheese teams without making hydra harder for everyone or requiring completely new teams to be built.
They could have handled it so much better. Like, why not just change the way how the Clash chest reward threshold works. Instead of making it the *actual* damage done, make it so that if you do a certain damage threshold, you get 1 point. The next threshold: 2 points. And do so for maybe 4 or 5 thresholds.
So for example, if the damage threshold for, say, 5 points, is 80 million (or whatever, pick a number), then the person doing 80 million damage gets 5 points and the person doing 200 billion gets the same 5 points. Then they can still boast about how much damage they're doing, but it doesn't throw off Hydra Clash really at all.
I don't know, just a thought. Either way, I think Plarium did a shit job on how they handled it.
Welcome back about time 😂. Think the biggest issue for me as a medium player is the eating increase bar. When champs get eaten for 4+ time its really hard to save them. Vhave to be lucky on with head eats it and hope they dont get shield after
Welcome back! - who says you can't earn well from youtube? - you can afford a one-month vacation in Japan 😁
New clan boss for Christmas maybe...? Clanboss that is based on levels going through every boss in the game and you have clan point threshold to get to each level. Make it the only way to win siege?
Still no excuse for those of us fighting to get to top chests, getting hammered so hard with this nerf. Spent most of my resources (energy and silver) during the Asgard events, then the nerf comes. I barely had enough to regear my Demon lord to get to half my regular points. It will be months before I can afford to regear 18 champs for the New Hydra. Not to mention that I've had to manual hydra just to get to 1/4 of the points I used to which means 2-3 times more time spent in Hydra defeating the whole turn count reduction. All around failed to do anything to those that were abusing the system, hammering hard those that can't fight back against the "adjustments". Shitty real shitty.
I really like when I target a head that just ate a champ, and none of my other champs actually target that head.. WHOOO HOO!! Such fun! Oh it also happened when I too off auto and did some of the run on manuel...
I agree with you! They made Hydra even worse to play. It wasn't really popular before and most people didn't really enjoy doing a 1h manual key. And Plarium just made it worse. The AI on auto is just horrible. The F2P are the most impacted by these changes. They should change the block damage and make so that no more than 2 heads can have it at the same time (no matter when they respawn)
All they would have had to do was to fix Trunda and cap shield damage. Rest was fine
Will we have any japan Vlog?
Welcome back, Mr. Nub !
Easy solution: Don't reset the cooldowns of the heads when they respawn.
Felt stupid when everything is decapitated - about as bad as all the serpent's' will. The fact that all heads can be down all the time for some teams was what created the whole hydra point problem - super powered teams could just keep the hydra always dead. I just don't like the collateral impact on weaker teams that couldn't wipe everything all the time.
There was no need to break Wixwell for hydra - not with Taunt gone.
Imo the changes were really good however they should've lowered all damage requirements for the chests in the same proportions. Just to help out the new or midgame players
My teams are barely affected by this because I wasn't doing over 200m per difficulty. There is a lot more RNG now though because of the uptime though.
I still hate poison cloud (run Ukko so very susceptible to this), decay and suffering causing runs to end early because of unbreakable devours. My solution for Plarium would be to put devour over the shield.
CC wanting more nerfs... also, that team hitting 5b with trunda was not about the champion but about the player. The range of trunda is wide, some doing under 1b some more. Just like before all the nerfs - i don't care and like to see people pushing damage. Now we have the nerf idea rolling, it wont stop. Next they will nerf Leyasu or Teox. Calling for MORE nerfs because 1 player excels is unbelievable. I don't have Trunda and now i have been punished in this game because of videos like this one that is based on nonsense.
these changes are the fault of all the ccs being dumb stop complaing about non issue things.. because now wix emic and verious other tokns are now useless.. thank you for making my clan quit
They saved me so much time 😅 no more Hydra at current state is simply better than 1K turns. Worst part of Hydra was the amount of RNG and they basicaly just multiplied this factor. No thank you, keep your gear i have no place for + no motivation for live arena, to sum it up more time outside RAID... Well done, good job 😅
They did this so they can release a Armanz style champ for hydra with block buff with 1 turn cooldown AND Provoke Aoe for 6 turn with 1 turn cooldown and his A3 is Aoe hex.
I dont care about hydra anymore, I just hit auto and whatever happens, happens. They should have just left it alone, and scrapped hydra clash. No need for rewards based competitive mode on PVE content. They should just put the clash rewards in the progressive chests. I used to manual three runs, now i dont care.
Welcome back!
Current hydra is not fun to do anymore, I don't have the energy to actually makes my team better since A.I scks ass in the current state of hydra...
why not do instant key like CB?
The fact they failed and screwed half the player base isn’t even a shock anymore. Hopefully plarium realise before they destroy there own game.
I can still 1 key up to brutal. IF i can bother to manual for up to 1 hour per key. But my personal rewards went from 3 to 4 weeks to hit 1.2bil score to up to 10 weeks to hit 1.2bil score... Didn't use wixwell for CB so no changes there :-(
Plarium doesn't want to "FIX" anything - each and every single Plarium Action just want to Maximize PROFIT - that's the only thing tey care about!!!
Plarium absolutely does not understand the concept root cause analysis. They change a bunch of things at once, wipe their hands and call it a day. They didn't even fix the underlying issues lmao. They don't properly playtest this shit.
The fact that they called out players for doing too much damage and avoiding mechanics as a justification for changes is comical. They seem to forget that they constantly release increasingly more power-crept champions, sets, gamemodes, etc. They did it to themselves, and then they sell these solutions and give us a surprise pikachu face when those same people steamroll the content.
Hydra is damn near two years old at this point. People's accounts have moved on from Hydra and have the content on farm (This is not to say that the majority of playerbase has hydra on farm, I have a 4 year old account and just started hitting top brutal key in hydra). The same things happened to clan boss. It's nearing the point of being old content other then the sets still being relevant and it having a "competitive" aspect to it.
Instead of adjusting the scoring in clash, or just changing trunda, yumeko, and wixwell, they have decided to nerf two of those three (even though trunda is still phenomenal), remove player-positive mechanics, worsen other mechanics, and then leave everything else unchanged. So the people already farming hydra are still just checking out farming it, unless they are taking clash seriously, and everyone else who doesnt have it on farm are now being punished.
Rebalance was total shit! Fucked all the regular teams and trunda is still the strongest damage dealer.
Hydra should be anything less then 750 at most. 1000 turn limit is fine. It's sapose to be a long battle and it the only game mode that you can really get stuck into.
New serpents will buff sucks and has just made the game more undesirable to play. Along with the change to decapitation it's kinda like what's the point.
Plarium doesn't care, it's end game content and they don't give a fuck if it's enjoyable or not. As long as it drives sales towards Trunda style teams they are happy.
I just run mu NM team now, get my personal rewards and then min run for top chests in other difficulties.
Till they fix it properly for balance and enjoyment (doesn't have to be easy, just enjoyable) Hydra holds no interest any more.
Glad you got some good time way man, welcome back to hell 🤣 jj
I’m not opposed to Plarium making changes, but they do so without adjusting other related things. They keep adding gear but limit how much gear you can have and they keep the crap gear. Lowering Hydra scores without adjusting chest rewards. It seems like they don’t play the game.
They made the cap 1000 turns but totally destroyed the AI, Auto is unusable and the manual 1000 turns takes more time then the old 1500 turns because of the additional attention required. One mistake, one bad rng at turn 700 and your champions get eaten and it is game over.
I just don't get why they don't apply changes based on difficulty.
Let normal/hard remain as it was, change brutal and add for example the block damage, add the HP bar for nightmare.
Or make a UNM game mode that gives more points for clash to separate the competitive element from the rest that just want to do the hydra for some rewards.
They are so braindead when it comes to their own game it is ridiculous.
Let's see my high scoring hydra team on Rotation #2 Normal was doing over 200 million, now I have to run it about 12 times just to finally get to 100 million.. This team doesn't have Wixwell or Trunda... Yet they claimed they fixed Trunda, there are teams with Trunda still scoring insane damage so Plarium will continue to sell her in packs and events..
i was looking forward to this one 😂.
i get the chests and stuff, but i can't auto hard or normal anymore because the AI sucks AND i have multiple times when all 4 heads have the damage reduction.
For the trunda bit, I’m wondering how much is enough? I feel like the community feedback was mostly “she does too much damage.” And in fairness they reduced it a lot. The 10x ratio you tossed out is actually a bit off. It went from more like 18x (90B Trunda vs. 5b Basic) to 3x. What’s the right ratio? 0.5? 1? 2? Part of the feedback as well was don’t make trunda irrelevant.
It’s actually 20b to 120b and the 20b could of been a lot higher, so 6x. Also rn is the worst rotation for trunda so the difference is actually way higher then 3x.
@@freeeggs3811 20b sounds like a Wixwell style team which I was excluding.
@@Kadsistency nope it’s with a 5 star Ieyasu so it could of been higher
@@freeeggs3811 Ah gotcha. Must have missed the wave of Ieyasu comps since he joined the roster right as the changes came in
trunda was a simple fix just not let her surplus dmg crit instead of breaking every fking team so ty for ruibing my game and clan yay
Figured you'd be aghast at the hydra changes 😂😂😂 rest of just said F it SMH ..... Halloween fusion sucks too imo so plz don't overhype it
But at least they got rid of Wixwell and Taunt loops so those annoying low-spenders can’t compete anymore. Mission accomplished!
And Nubs, how about taking your victory lap for all the times you cried about Wixwell being “cheese” while utterly ignoring the Yumeko effect? Congrats!
I think you are the only one that mentioned the health bars different color... drives me crazy
They should make new heads with the buff takes damage from hp burn at least it will open new team comb hp burn detenation and also make hp on decapitated heads x3 x4 or their hp
They should have just added another difficulty after nightmare with better rewards than change the whole mechanics. it's funny players now avoid normal difficulty because its harder to manage the decapitated heads and the limited damage you do.
That thing about hp bar color not changing is incredibly annoying... i play hydra manually and happens dozens of time that i forget anout decapitated head... so bad
In 2 weeks all the old trunda keys are out of the MM algorythm and it won't be doing fair matches anymore cause the new margins are too small.
All that work , resources and time to build up a team then POOF ! regular players get spanked because of whales and then the whales with the huge rosters can still crush the Hydra
Decrease acc has become verry helpful since the new uodate
It’s really hard now both hydra and cb were affected for me I’m sorry but this isn’t fair to us to have done this