Which fight did you think was the hardest? Or if there’s any fights you think I should’ve mentioned, which fights are they? Let me know in the comments below
I first tried bdsp Cynthia but I went into that fight studying Cynthia because of how infamous she was so I don’t think it’s fair for me to say it was easy plus I didn’t do her rematch. Volo took me soo many attempts because I went into blind and even after I studied him and better built my team it still wasn’t easy, my team was pretty trash though so that might have been why it was harder for me. Kieran was baby work and I haven’t fought red yet
Cynthia is absolutely still a difficult fight even after all these years, but her team suffers from a fatal flaw, her team gets counter picked really hard, especially if you have anything with really high special defence. Good thing those counter picks are so uncommonly on any teams that aren’t going out of their way for those Pokémon.
Cynthia is the QUEEN!! Something to note is that original Gen 4 trainers (Including Cynthia) were oddly coded to just use their moves randomly so it was just a 25% roll every time an AI attacked in Gen 4 originally and we still thought she was difficult back then LOL (A youtube video about came out like a month ago or so from posting this)
I fought Kieran with a team made up entirely of level 100 Pokemon that were EV trained and IV bred, and still lost 3 of them in the battle. I imagine that he must have been an absolute menace had my team been at level 80 like his.
The difference between level 100 and 80 is honestly not that big compared to the difference between, say, 60 and 80. By that point everything has 80 levels worth of stat boosts so the extra 20 levels isn’t that big of a deal. Definitely still gives a meaningful advantage but it’s not as big as you’d think. Pokémon games don’t normally have level curves that high so no one really notices this.
volo was the first time ive ever cried because of a video games difficulty. i didnt start bawling, but there were tears. 8 POKEMON. 8 OF THEM. COME THE FUCK ON
@@veljkokravic15 I got the game before anyone I knew and it was my first game. I had no idea there were methods to beating it like that. I was frustrated for a month on it lol. I got lucky and my primaria touched out an attack and landed a crit moonblast lol
Red doesn't use Earthquake because HE'S ON TOP OF A F**KING MOUNTAIN ...but seriously though, just bring something that _does_ and his pikachu is toast also I feel like Kieran's movesets are so subpar is because he's supposed to be actually somewhat beatable lmao
@@jointser1008Pikachu- weak to Ground Venusaur- neutral to ground Blastoise- neutral to Ground Charizard- immune to ground Espeon-nuetral to ground Snorlax-neutral to ground
@@hylianhero1921 I am talking about reds weakness to ELECTRIC types while none of his pokemons knows anything to counter electric I am talking about red from HGSS btw. Lapras,blastoise and charizard all have a weakness against electric.
Red is carried hard by a massive level spike from Gen 2’s poor scaling mixed with permanent Hail. A good electric type or something with bolt-beam coverage absolutely wrecks him. I never really understood why people feared Cynthia for a long time, I never had any trouble with her and beat her first try in any game she appeared in on my first play throughs. And then BDSP happened… Granted, they went balls to the wall with the league’s difficulty so it’s understandable for anyone to struggle, but still, she arguably puts some smogon sweats to shame. Volo is a hard fight even if you bring level 100 legendaries to the battle. It’s less so about team composition and more so about game mechanics. Volo’s battle is like a game of chess, pieces being taken every turn, and then all of a sudden Volo uses a style or gets a lucky crit and a chainsaw goes flying through the chess board. Kieran is surprisingly straight forward. No environmental gimmicks mixed with poor game design, no balls to the wall competitive strats, no Uno Reverses, just your standard fair with a bit more sauce to it. He’s arguably the perfect example of what a good end game battle should be, tough but nothing ludicrous. Personally, none of them compare to Eri though lol. That girl kicked my ass 10 times and threw the match out of pity on the 11th. Even after I EV & IV trained my team she was still thrashing me. Hardest fight I’ve ever dealt with in the whole series.
i think in cynthia's case is she's really hard if you're blind with pokemon her whole thing was being unexpected and difficult without prep unless it's bdsp. no one knew what weakness spiritomb has becasue well... it had none in gen 4 without fairy type and then insert meme of walking into the wrong house in undella town with no time to heal.
Her and Drayton (the Dragon E4 member from Indigo Disc) were the only 2 to hand me L's in SV. But I feel Ultra Necrozma should have replaced Kieran on this list. If you didn't Toxic spam him or cheese him with Zoroark, he was an absolute menace
@@ethanfassler-md1rg That's true for the most part, as before the Indigo Disk released, most of us built new teams to take on Double battles The ones who went in blind struggled in the Blueberry Elite 4 too
@@thomasmoreo3230 hm, interesting, I guess everyone has their own experiences, I never really particularly struggled with Ghetsis but I did with Elesa lol, kinda cool to hear everyone stories on what they struggled with
(I’m gonna piss so many people of with this) Honestly, I’d switch out Red for one of the AI profferers, since the thing that makes Red so hard is the levels, not necessarily the Pokémon themselves. Meanwhile, not only are all of the professors Pokemon 570 BST or higher, you don’t even know what types they are going in, leading to this guessing game that can potentially give them free turns. Turo is particularly nasty in this regard, since not one of his “Iron” Pokemon are even steel types.
The only reason why some people had difficulty with the ai professors is because the 6 Pokemon in their teams were unknown but also familiar species. Also the element of suprise that is their new typings AND the Ace holding a Booster Energy, that automatically activates the ability I really don't think the professors are challenging at all since we now have Information on the Paradox Pokemon
@@mr.lantern1111 once you know what types the paradox Pokémon are they aren’t very difficult to handle. At that point of the game your Pokémon should have around almost perfect IVs, great coverage, and held items.
Would replace Red for Iris rematch team from BW2 hardmode, however Red is one of the four horseman due to his high levels not his slightly above average team.
@@jointser1008 Oh yeah, that would definitely be my other choice if we aren’t taking into account changed type matchups in the AI fights. That fight made her my favorite champion
I remember going into bdsp Cynthia fight thinking I was prepared with a full level 65 team only to realise Cynthia had an almost level 70 garchomp but my abomasnow clutched up and 1 tapped it after surviving a poison jab as my final pokemon
The thing with Red, or at least gold and silver Red, is that most of the time you're not going to be fighting him at an equal level just because of how big of a pain it was leveling up in those specific games. When I fought him, my highest level Pokemon, my starter was barely at level 65, and I only won because I had stocked up on revives and heals.
yea. most of Red's Challenge comes from the massive level jump from Kanto-Post Game to Mt Steel. at most you fought Lv 60 mons frim Blue in Kanto. Red starts with Lv 81/88 Pikachu and then overpowers your pokemon with lv77/84 pokemons. and i only won because i knew what was coming for the most part and prepared from the VERY BEGINNING against red.
If Cynthia gave Porygon-Z Tri Attack and Psyshock/Psychic alongside Bolt-Beam, replaced Garchomp's Poison Jab with Iron Head, and used Mega Lucario, her team would be 10/10.
Iron head would’ve guaranteed inflicting damage on players trying to PP stall because no type is immune to steel. The downside is not hitting azumarill super effectively
They were harder (well, AI Turo was harder since I never played Scarlet but I can imagine AI Sada is about the same) but I also didn't feel either were exceptionally hard. The hardest part about the AI fight was the feels, considering the AI is an innocent pawn in the professor's plan.
@@SMBZYT 🤔 May. Route 110. Infamous for Sapphire speedruns, and prime Nuzlocke-ender. She may not be an endgame fight, or a boss… but hard nonetheless. …also Whitney exists.
Like this video! When I was a kid playing GSC for the first time and noone knew you could even find Red at the top of Mount Silver the level gap absolutely made it a bigger deal, I get why it wasnt accounted for here, but at the time it was rare to grind pokemon up that high and when you found him you were likely 20ish levels behind him, was a goal to reach for. Thats why the fight has mystique in my mind, less so the team compositions competitiveness
BDSP Cynthia was...an experience. I flung myself at that blonde wall for FOUR HOURS to no avail. I was crying. I had to spend the next day grinding off camera. Volo was very hard but i still managed to beat him first try. I knew i would fight him but I was also expecting to fight Arceus soon after. I also thought i would get to heal before Giratina... I packed a variety of mons including two tanks, alpha Snorlax and a shiny Hippowdon. Volo's base team whittled me down to almost nothing, but i beat him with a half-health Porygon-Z. And then when the Giratina fight started IMMEDIATELY, I knew i had to do something out of the box. I used Max Revives on my team, starting with Snorlax if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure Volo himself had sold me a lot of them. And finally it was down to Hippowdon, who felled the antimatter beast with a strong Crunch. You can see videos of both of these on my channel, as well as me steamrolling Kieran (and getting whupped by Lacey)
I’m surprised to find out people thought Kieran was a hard battle, idk if it was my team that made it easy or what but I thought it woulda been harder. I definitely agree with the other 3 tho
@@SMBZYT honestly don’t remember, I didn’t wanna spoil his team so I didn’t know what the levels were but I’d cap myself out at the level of the last boss I’d fight
kieran is like the sans of pokemon. you feel like shit beating him. except there's a differnet kind of secondary guilt cuz his downward spiral is caused by what you did to him and goddamit trying to beat him felt like trying to beat my own child
@@SMBZYTMe either. I didn't want to tell him the truth either. I know what it's like to be an obsessed teenager but my god he refused to recognize Ogerpon's own wishes
@@BJGvideoswe watch him get onscreen bullied by carmine and drayton, aswell he is not well. Then we’re forced to take ogrepon which fucks him up. Then we beat him which fucks him up. Then he looses teraoagos which fucks him up. Etc etc. I just wanna give my boy a single bit of seratonin
@@insertnamehere1398 He shouldn't have gotten Ogerpon! He was too obsessed with her story that he didn't respect her as a living thing. He was like an entitled fan thinking that the object of their interest owes them. I've got no love for Carmine either. I resented the game for trying to force me to be friends with a bully. Felt like I was betraying Penny.
Makes me wish we could battle Cogita. Maybe they'll bring her to Masters. Also Cynthia has that little sister who doesn't even have a name or unique sprite. Imagine. She could be anywhere.
I was down to my last mon against Drayton, but for Kieran I just had Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel his whole team and won. Bonus seeing him freak out about Ogerpon.
I understand what you mean by having a team likely built strictly for single battles, but, the only battles you fight in the BB League are Doubles. I'd HOPE to have a team built strictly on Doubles... oh wait: Myriga the Espeon Dyguino the Umbreon Citadark the Triumphant Typhlosion Ostyrix the Triumphant Quagsire Lanayru the Triumphant Ampharos Nyxorius the Triumphant Flygon Yeah, these six were MADE for doubles because that's all you fight in Colosseum. So, these 6 have a story. But, it was beautiful to see Kieran fall to the tag team of Myriga & Dyguino. They started off the adventure in Orre and they defeated Kieran's Hydrapple, ending his reign. I get what you mean though, since players may be too accustomed to Single Battles, so when you fight Lacey at the start and get jumpscared by a double battle.
I feel like people undermine how difficult red was, yes I admit that he was mainly difficult due to the level jump but at the same time he was a battle that expected you to be a casual player was a casual team compensation. Which is similar to his team compensation that was fairly simple and the over level difference was just to make up the lack of better AI as you could fairly run through the entire game under level with no issue with how predictable the AI was with bad moves
Kieran whooped my ass in the last battle for ogerpon in the teal mask only because I started the dlc at the beginning of the regular playthrough. So I defeated the first paldean gym leader(bug type lady) and then started the teal mask. The dlc sort of accommodates to your level the entire time, up until that specific battle with Kieran. So there I was battling his lvl 70+ team with my lvl 20-25 team. His yanmega basically swept my entire team lol.
Honestly, I think they did that just so you’d have a sure fire way of beating that thing. Her team is already so balls to the wall that I dare say Iron Head would be overkill
For each DLC I explored the new region with only my starter and built a new team to take on the challenges, I love Kitakami and my team there and my team on the BB Academy/indigo disk. But my main team members from the actually game that had good stats, moves and type coverage all around always came back for the final parts like a fight with Kieran or Ogapon. So truthfully I did find Kieran to be a little bit harder when bringing my team built best for singles to a 2 v 2 competitive again Kieran as his team had some thought put into the strategies. Still beat him first try but it was nice to see his character actually progress and get more difficult and actually seem like a better trainer.
I challenged myself to use Kieran's team comp to sweep the ace tournaments and it was so fun (using any other mon besides glalie, sylveon or deoxys is an experience for me)
This video ignores the fact that PLA has a very different battle system with more limited moveset options. Volo’s moveset might not be crazy but yours isn’t either. Also the turn system is reworked so that you pretty much have to get hit by all of his Pokémon.
Kieran is decently tough, but red is an absolute joke. His team is poorly built. Having all 3 kanto starters does not mean that you’re “strong”. He is only difficult if ur like, 10 - 15 Lvls lower. If ur at the same lvl, he’s a total pushover. His pikachu contributes nothing to the overall fight, the kanto starters while ok each one can be easily countered, lapras is a stupid replacement over his espeon from the original gold and silver games, and snorlax is probably the only actaully challenging mon on his team.
I will admit that Red doesnt have the best movesets, but they werent going to drastically change his team from gen 2 up to gen 4 and his party is more built on lore than on strategy. It was difficult back in GSC because of not only the levels but that team being built of some really hard to deal with pokemon for the days when there were only 251 to pick from. They updated it to give all the starters the "ultimate attacks" that they could get in FRLG (including Pikachu with Volt Tackle) and then gave him the gift pokemon that a player would receive in the gen 1 games in Lapras and Snorlax, kinda giving him the canonical gen 1 Yellow team. I'm not mad that hes not the strongest but I feel like being able to see his team is the most special out of all of them.
I might just be a Speedster fanboy, but I'd swap Red out for BW Ghetsis. Hydreigon in a limited Dex is insane. I feel like the only hard part of Red's fight is that you have to grind for it
To me Platinum. Coverage is much better with the move tutors while BW mainly has level advantage and double team Spiritomb. B2W2 team is somewhere in the middle.
Cynthia was crazy when I first fought her but volo staight up had her team,and two stages of giratina. You have to remember the game didn’t have many trainer battles, so it was even harder for me. I never got to fight red but kieran was easy because I was a few lvls higher.
Who the hell struggles with Red if you’re at a similar level??? 4/6 of his team gets hard checked by any fully evolved Electric type and your preferred Rock/Ground type (that isn’t Onix lmao). Hell, Snorlax has Blizzard, but it’s not particularly hard hitting on the special side, and it’s more physically vulnerable, so your Rock/Ground type still can probably take it on. Bring something for Venusaur (like oh I don’t know, the most popular Johto Starter, or Arcanine, another very popular Pokemon), and you should have no issues. The only reason there’s ever any challenge is because of the MASSIVE level gap between his team and yours.
Can I just say, even tho you’re not caring about levels, Kieran should’ve had all lv 100. This is DLC and came out a year later. And with Raids giving you a boon of EXP candies, bottle caps, TMs and battle items are easy to get, and berries are everywhere. By now even a kid would have at least a team of lv 100 pokemon with the legendaries of Ogerpon and Koraidon/Miraidon. Double battles are harder but even a kid could muscle thru it. Edit: I think the hardest boss in Pokemon is Ultra Necrozma. The stat boosts of totem Pokemon are difficult on their own but that was just cruel.
Here’s my experience Red is unranked cuz I haven’t fought him. Kieran is 3rd because my Pokémon were level 100 and built for double battles. Volo is 2nd. I actually beated him first try but it was a little bit challenging. I feel the battle mechanics of PLA is what really screwed me up however. Strong style and agile style confuse me and there weren’t enough battles to help me understand. Cynthia is first place because I took so many tries to beat her in BDSP and that’s not including her rematch team.
red isn't even difficult in my opinion. if anything, he's more tedious because you have to grind all your Pokémon by having to wait for rematches. especially with how bad the level curve is in HG/SS to be able to level up decently. but once you do reach near his level, he's a walk in the park
I don’t think one recharge move on the porygon should lower her. It can act like a pseudo explosion when porygon is ready to be sacked but she needs the KO first. Every mon having one is bad, but one having one when it can do stupid power is fine.
Honestly I’m not sure how to get the volo fight I’m probably going to have level 100s by the time I found out how after beating the main quest I’ve been playing casual filling in the dex time to time and just doing whatever missions I have in the area I pick the most fun Pokemon game in a long time for me actually makes me want to complete it
The person you’re referring two with red hair only has one legendary and only uses 3 pokemon and I didn’t include the gen 4 rival’s father since he is located within a battle facility, which I didn’t count
Red is only hard cause he’s overleveled, Cynthia is Cynthia, Volo is hard if your starter was Decidueye like me but I bet the other starters one shot him both times, Kieran is hard even tho all my Pokémon were in the 90s and some were level 100. I agree with your rankings
Red was never a technically difficult fight - he's got a properly diverse theme, but it was always the monstrously sky-high levels compared to anything else you've fought up to that point that makes him strong. BDSP are very poorly thought of overall in hindsight, but they did one important notable thing: they existed to firmly re-establish Cynthia as _THE_ most terrifyingly powerful Champion in Pokemon history, bar none.
For me Kieran is by far the best on his team with the strategic pokemon except hydrapple in addition to this duo fight and even in level he far exceeds Cynthia but it depends if there are people who went there with their team level 100
Am i tripping or is levels not an extremely noteworthy thing for red? Like you would have to grind for hours to get your team close to those levels atp in the game when you would be able to fight him
All I had to use against Kieran was my at the time level 83 Alolan Raichu, lvl 79 Primarina, lvl 82 Incineroar and meowscarada, and lvl 78 Lucario, only Raichu was EV trained on only in one stat… Kieran is not hard 😭
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Wouldn't Cynthia be horsewomen
Cynthia and Volo were tough. Red was too. But not as much as them.
I first tried bdsp Cynthia but I went into that fight studying Cynthia because of how infamous she was so I don’t think it’s fair for me to say it was easy plus I didn’t do her rematch. Volo took me soo many attempts because I went into blind and even after I studied him and better built my team it still wasn’t easy, my team was pretty trash though so that might have been why it was harder for me. Kieran was baby work and I haven’t fought red yet
Platinum Cynthia was a pushover when i ran through it the first time. BDSP Cynthia decided my karma was awful and punished me accordingly
Cynthia is absolutely still a difficult fight even after all these years, but her team suffers from a fatal flaw, her team gets counter picked really hard, especially if you have anything with really high special defence. Good thing those counter picks are so uncommonly on any teams that aren’t going out of their way for those Pokémon.
Cynthia is the QUEEN!! Something to note is that original Gen 4 trainers (Including Cynthia) were oddly coded to just use their moves randomly so it was just a 25% roll every time an AI attacked in Gen 4 originally and we still thought she was difficult back then LOL (A youtube video about came out like a month ago or so from posting this)
Kieran suffers so much being dlc I feel like 90% of people had way over leveled Pokémon for this fight because of when it takes place
I think that’s why people say he’s so easy was due to them being overleveled
I swept half his team with just my meowscrada
I started with a new team for each dlc
I fought Kieran with a team made up entirely of level 100 Pokemon that were EV trained and IV bred, and still lost 3 of them in the battle. I imagine that he must have been an absolute menace had my team been at level 80 like his.
I fought him around his levels and did lose a few guys but I beat the fight first try
The difference between level 100 and 80 is honestly not that big compared to the difference between, say, 60 and 80. By that point everything has 80 levels worth of stat boosts so the extra 20 levels isn’t that big of a deal. Definitely still gives a meaningful advantage but it’s not as big as you’d think. Pokémon games don’t normally have level curves that high so no one really notices this.
Nah it’s the Cynthia jump scare in undella town black and white.
Volo pulling out the Cynthia team (yes arcanine i know) into the double Giratina battle honestly made me have to grind levels to get to 70 ish
Umbreon saved me at the end cuz bro was cheating
I no diff'd that b¡tch. Underlevelled, no items, first try.
volo was the first time ive ever cried because of a video games difficulty. i didnt start bawling, but there were tears. 8 POKEMON. 8 OF THEM. COME THE FUCK ON
Sound like you never played souls like or smt
try pokemon reborn. There are some 6 v 12 double battles there lmaooo
Honorable Mentions:
Whitney (HGSS)
Champion Leon and Mustard (SwSh)
Ghetsis (BW)
Hop (Sh)
Ultra necrozma was Cynthia for 3ds players. Crazy stats and if you didn’t cheese your way through it it was a insane fight
me spamming quick claw with full revives lol
@@veljkokravic15 I got the game before anyone I knew and it was my first game. I had no idea there were methods to beating it like that. I was frustrated for a month on it lol. I got lucky and my primaria touched out an attack and landed a crit moonblast lol
@@WyattStone-lx5wc lol i saw a lot of people used toxic or endeavor but i thought it was boring so i went with brute force and reviving pokemon
Kid named FEAR level 1 rattata with sash Endeavor and Quick Attack
Facts!!! Ultra Necrozma should replace Kieran on this list
Red doesn't use Earthquake because HE'S ON TOP OF A F**KING MOUNTAIN
...but seriously though, just bring something that _does_ and his pikachu is toast
also I feel like Kieran's movesets are so subpar is because he's supposed to be actually somewhat beatable lmao
a grave mistake considering 50% of his pokemons have electric weakness.
@@jointser1008Pikachu- weak to Ground
Venusaur- neutral to ground
Blastoise- neutral to Ground
Charizard- immune to ground
Espeon-nuetral to ground
Snorlax-neutral to ground
@@hylianhero1921 I am talking about reds weakness to ELECTRIC types while none of his pokemons knows anything to counter electric I am talking about red from HGSS btw. Lapras,blastoise and charizard all have a weakness against electric.
Giving red a low rating when he has some of the highest levelled pokemon in all games is too weird
Idk you can use Earthquake in a moving subway car and it's fine
Red is carried hard by a massive level spike from Gen 2’s poor scaling mixed with permanent Hail. A good electric type or something with bolt-beam coverage absolutely wrecks him.
I never really understood why people feared Cynthia for a long time, I never had any trouble with her and beat her first try in any game she appeared in on my first play throughs. And then BDSP happened… Granted, they went balls to the wall with the league’s difficulty so it’s understandable for anyone to struggle, but still, she arguably puts some smogon sweats to shame.
Volo is a hard fight even if you bring level 100 legendaries to the battle. It’s less so about team composition and more so about game mechanics. Volo’s battle is like a game of chess, pieces being taken every turn, and then all of a sudden Volo uses a style or gets a lucky crit and a chainsaw goes flying through the chess board.
Kieran is surprisingly straight forward. No environmental gimmicks mixed with poor game design, no balls to the wall competitive strats, no Uno Reverses, just your standard fair with a bit more sauce to it. He’s arguably the perfect example of what a good end game battle should be, tough but nothing ludicrous.
Personally, none of them compare to Eri though lol. That girl kicked my ass 10 times and threw the match out of pity on the 11th. Even after I EV & IV trained my team she was still thrashing me. Hardest fight I’ve ever dealt with in the whole series.
i think in cynthia's case is she's really hard if you're blind with pokemon her whole thing was being unexpected and difficult without prep unless it's bdsp. no one knew what weakness spiritomb has becasue well... it had none in gen 4 without fairy type and then insert meme of walking into the wrong house in undella town with no time to heal.
@@AizakkuAdomanPeople keep forgetting that you can decline to fight Cynthia after you enter that house.
Cynthia was tougher than Eri. I rematched them and everything and it still stands that Cynthia is way harder.
@@SS-yj2le I’m talking from personal experience, from their initial fights
Her and Drayton (the Dragon E4 member from Indigo Disc) were the only 2 to hand me L's in SV. But I feel Ultra Necrozma should have replaced Kieran on this list. If you didn't Toxic spam him or cheese him with Zoroark, he was an absolute menace
Volo ruined me for a minute, I think that's the first story battle I had to grind for
I knew of the battle beforehand because I got the game late and was prepared and knew what to expect, and he still destroyed me I had to grind too
I know exactly why Red doesn't use earthquake!
To cause the mountain to destroy?
@@exeggutivejudge3747 and it was the tm given by the leader of team rocket who steals and sells pokemon
@@Mojaveknight17 Aaaah, great attention to detail then
You can use Fire moves in tall grass and not burn the whole field down. Pokemon battles have no impact on the overworld!
@alexvaughan1013 it's just a theory a pokemon battle theory!
iris:how how are you more difficult than me?
Kieran:idk
Ultra Necrozma: "Hello darkness my old friend🎶"
Whoever thinks Kieran is a hard fight is insane. I had an easy time with this guy
I did too, but most people struggled with him it seems
@@SMBZYT I guess it depends on the team ur using
Me too
@@ethanfassler-md1rg That's true for the most part, as before the Indigo Disk released, most of us built new teams to take on Double battles
The ones who went in blind struggled in the Blueberry Elite 4 too
If you didn’t over level him, he actually does become insanely difficult
I think Ghetsis deserves to be here
that’s interesting, I never had any difficulty with him
And Ultra Necrozma
@@XenteBRidk his Hydreigon alone has swept my team before
@@thomasmoreo3230 hm, interesting, I guess everyone has their own experiences, I never really particularly struggled with Ghetsis but I did with Elesa lol, kinda cool to hear everyone stories on what they struggled with
And Greevil!
(I’m gonna piss so many people of with this)
Honestly, I’d switch out Red for one of the AI profferers, since the thing that makes Red so hard is the levels, not necessarily the Pokémon themselves.
Meanwhile, not only are all of the professors Pokemon 570 BST or higher, you don’t even know what types they are going in, leading to this guessing game that can potentially give them free turns.
Turo is particularly nasty in this regard, since not one of his “Iron” Pokemon are even steel types.
The only reason why some people had difficulty with the ai professors is because the 6 Pokemon in their teams were unknown but also familiar species. Also the element of suprise that is their new typings AND the Ace holding a Booster Energy, that automatically activates the ability
I really don't think the professors are challenging at all since we now have Information on the Paradox Pokemon
@@mr.lantern1111 once you know what types the paradox Pokémon are they aren’t very difficult to handle. At that point of the game your Pokémon should have around almost perfect IVs, great coverage, and held items.
Would replace Red for Iris rematch team from BW2 hardmode, however Red is one of the four horseman due to his high levels not his slightly above average team.
@@jointser1008 Oh yeah, that would definitely be my other choice if we aren’t taking into account changed type matchups in the AI fights.
That fight made her my favorite champion
@@thepowerscaler5217the still have meta pokemon tho. Sada has FLUTTER MANE for crying out loud which slams all of Red’s team
Cynthia’s the definition of you picked the wrong house fool, while her ancestor make you question your life choices
I remember going into bdsp Cynthia fight thinking I was prepared with a full level 65 team only to realise Cynthia had an almost level 70 garchomp but my abomasnow clutched up and 1 tapped it after surviving a poison jab as my final pokemon
The thing with Red, or at least gold and silver Red, is that most of the time you're not going to be fighting him at an equal level just because of how big of a pain it was leveling up in those specific games. When I fought him, my highest level Pokemon, my starter was barely at level 65, and I only won because I had stocked up on revives and heals.
yea. most of Red's Challenge comes from the massive level jump from Kanto-Post Game to Mt Steel. at most you fought Lv 60 mons frim Blue in Kanto. Red starts with Lv 81/88 Pikachu and then overpowers your pokemon with lv77/84 pokemons. and i only won because i knew what was coming for the most part and prepared from the VERY BEGINNING against red.
Cynthia in BDSP looked at power creep and laughed.
Cynthia and Volo gave about 15 L's when facing them. Kieran gave me problems but I never lost to him and Red only gave me problems due to level curve.
If Cynthia gave Porygon-Z Tri Attack and Psyshock/Psychic alongside Bolt-Beam, replaced Garchomp's Poison Jab with Iron Head, and used Mega Lucario, her team would be 10/10.
Yeah and if Red just replaced his Pikachu with Eternamax Eternitus, then he would be a 40/30
BDSP doesn’t have megas…
@@mr_red3 I know, but they should. If they did, the games would be more popular.
Iron head would’ve guaranteed inflicting damage on players trying to PP stall because no type is immune to steel. The downside is not hitting azumarill super effectively
I never struggled with Cynthia until bdsp
Same
Mysterial*: "Pathetic!"
*when you use the walmart pokemon the game gives you
alright lets not pretend Keiran was hard
Cynthia wins because of her music alone. No other champion has a chance.
I use Approaching Cynthia as my ringtone. Always jolts me.
Whitney looks at them and do her malignant laugh
I’m more surprised superboss Nemona’s final rematch team didn’t make this list.
Never knew people had issues with Kieran saw more people complaining about the AI professors instead.
Might be since people were better prepared for Kieran than the AI professors + we had better Pokémon cause of the new Pokemon in the dlc
Not to mention that final pokemon has booster energy, I remember using a speed focused gardevoir to outkill the killer
They were harder (well, AI Turo was harder since I never played Scarlet but I can imagine AI Sada is about the same) but I also didn't feel either were exceptionally hard. The hardest part about the AI fight was the feels, considering the AI is an innocent pawn in the professor's plan.
Red: Yup.
Cynthia: Of course.
Volo: Absolutely.
Keiran: …seriously?
I mean… were there really any better options?
@@SMBZYT
🤔
May.
Route 110.
Infamous for Sapphire speedruns, and prime Nuzlocke-ender.
She may not be an endgame fight, or a boss… but hard nonetheless.
…also Whitney exists.
Kieran is a forced Champion. He's like if Disney's trauma bragging became a person, All bark no bite
Like this video!
When I was a kid playing GSC for the first time and noone knew you could even find Red at the top of Mount Silver the level gap absolutely made it a bigger deal, I get why it wasnt accounted for here, but at the time it was rare to grind pokemon up that high and when you found him you were likely 20ish levels behind him, was a goal to reach for. Thats why the fight has mystique in my mind, less so the team compositions competitiveness
I struggled more with the Blueberry League’s E4 more than I did with Kieran.
Those are 4 trainers compared to 1, unless you struggled with individual members
Yea, Drayton was definitely tougher than Kieran
Then there’s necrozma single handedly destroying teams 🥲🥹
Whitney and her miltank...
She ain’t that hard
Kieran? No.
Whitney? Very Much.
Tbh I don’t find Whitney that difficult to beat
BDSP Cynthia was...an experience. I flung myself at that blonde wall for FOUR HOURS to no avail. I was crying. I had to spend the next day grinding off camera.
Volo was very hard but i still managed to beat him first try. I knew i would fight him but I was also expecting to fight Arceus soon after. I also thought i would get to heal before Giratina...
I packed a variety of mons including two tanks, alpha Snorlax and a shiny Hippowdon. Volo's base team whittled me down to almost nothing, but i beat him with a half-health Porygon-Z. And then when the Giratina fight started IMMEDIATELY, I knew i had to do something out of the box. I used Max Revives on my team, starting with Snorlax if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure Volo himself had sold me a lot of them. And finally it was down to Hippowdon, who felled the antimatter beast with a strong Crunch.
You can see videos of both of these on my channel, as well as me steamrolling Kieran (and getting whupped by Lacey)
I’m surprised to find out people thought Kieran was a hard battle, idk if it was my team that made it easy or what but I thought it woulda been harder. I definitely agree with the other 3 tho
Were you over leveled?
@@SMBZYT honestly don’t remember, I didn’t wanna spoil his team so I didn’t know what the levels were but I’d cap myself out at the level of the last boss I’d fight
kieran is like the sans of pokemon. you feel like shit beating him. except there's a differnet kind of secondary guilt cuz his downward spiral is caused by what you did to him and goddamit trying to beat him felt like trying to beat my own child
I did not feel bad beating that guy
@@SMBZYTMe either. I didn't want to tell him the truth either. I know what it's like to be an obsessed teenager but my god he refused to recognize Ogerpon's own wishes
@@SMBZYTyou’re a monster.
@@BJGvideoswe watch him get onscreen bullied by carmine and drayton, aswell he is not well. Then we’re forced to take ogrepon which fucks him up. Then we beat him which fucks him up. Then he looses teraoagos which fucks him up. Etc etc. I just wanna give my boy a single bit of seratonin
@@insertnamehere1398 He shouldn't have gotten Ogerpon! He was too obsessed with her story that he didn't respect her as a living thing. He was like an entitled fan thinking that the object of their interest owes them.
I've got no love for Carmine either. I resented the game for trying to force me to be friends with a bully. Felt like I was betraying Penny.
Red, Cynthia, and Kieran were super *EASY*
I'm scared of Volo, so I'm training my Pokemon to their fullest potential
How is that coming?
I’m so glad I found out he was a horseman before going into battle all willynilly lol
being hard runs in the family when it comes to volo and cynthia
Makes me wish we could battle Cogita. Maybe they'll bring her to Masters.
Also Cynthia has that little sister who doesn't even have a name or unique sprite. Imagine. She could be anywhere.
Evice and Greevil:
Not including spinoffs
@@SMBZYTIf you did though
Not to mengtion ultra necrozma. Probbaly the hardest single pokémon. But they're not a trainer w a team so i get it
For me Drayton was way harder than Kieran.
He was harder for me too but that’s only because I fought him with only 4 pokemon
I was down to my last mon against Drayton, but for Kieran I just had Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel his whole team and won. Bonus seeing him freak out about Ogerpon.
Facts. Used a whole Lv. 100 Cynthia-inspired team and still got humbled
I understand what you mean by having a team likely built strictly for single battles, but, the only battles you fight in the BB League are Doubles. I'd HOPE to have a team built strictly on Doubles... oh wait:
Myriga the Espeon
Dyguino the Umbreon
Citadark the Triumphant Typhlosion
Ostyrix the Triumphant Quagsire
Lanayru the Triumphant Ampharos
Nyxorius the Triumphant Flygon
Yeah, these six were MADE for doubles because that's all you fight in Colosseum. So, these 6 have a story. But, it was beautiful to see Kieran fall to the tag team of Myriga & Dyguino. They started off the adventure in Orre and they defeated Kieran's Hydrapple, ending his reign. I get what you mean though, since players may be too accustomed to Single Battles, so when you fight Lacey at the start and get jumpscared by a double battle.
I feel like people undermine how difficult red was, yes I admit that he was mainly difficult due to the level jump but at the same time he was a battle that expected you to be a casual player was a casual team compensation. Which is similar to his team compensation that was fairly simple and the over level difference was just to make up the lack of better AI as you could fairly run through the entire game under level with no issue with how predictable the AI was with bad moves
He is targeted towards simple casual players who don’t go out of their way to train their mons and simple choose their favorite Pokémon
You should put Evice from Colosseum up In there...
I excluded spinoffs
Kieran whooped my ass in the last battle for ogerpon in the teal mask only because I started the dlc at the beginning of the regular playthrough. So I defeated the first paldean gym leader(bug type lady) and then started the teal mask. The dlc sort of accommodates to your level the entire time, up until that specific battle with Kieran. So there I was battling his lvl 70+ team with my lvl 20-25 team. His yanmega basically swept my entire team lol.
Also, u forgot to mention that chompy should've had Iron head instead of Poison jab for both Ice and Fairy coverage
I believe he mentioned that.
Honestly, I think they did that just so you’d have a sure fire way of beating that thing. Her team is already so balls to the wall that I dare say Iron Head would be overkill
Everyone forgets about the trainer with max ev‘s machop
Who?
I remember that when i got to mt silver to fight red all my pokemon had a level below 60w
For each DLC I explored the new region with only my starter and built a new team to take on the challenges, I love Kitakami and my team there and my team on the BB Academy/indigo disk.
But my main team members from the actually game that had good stats, moves and type coverage all around always came back for the final parts like a fight with Kieran or Ogapon.
So truthfully I did find Kieran to be a little bit harder when bringing my team built best for singles to a 2 v 2 competitive again Kieran as his team had some thought put into the strategies.
Still beat him first try but it was nice to see his character actually progress and get more difficult and actually seem like a better trainer.
Cynthia in gold and silver was op
I challenged myself to use Kieran's team comp to sweep the ace tournaments and it was so fun (using any other mon besides glalie, sylveon or deoxys is an experience for me)
Where is Whitney? lol
This video ignores the fact that PLA has a very different battle system with more limited moveset options. Volo’s moveset might not be crazy but yours isn’t either. Also the turn system is reworked so that you pretty much have to get hit by all of his Pokémon.
When the mf doubles up with quick style into strong style. GRRR
Also, what are you talking about 'ignores'
Look at 5:03
Nah these guys were light work (I swept Kieran with a level 70 Rayquaza)
I love kieran so much 😭 but I literally forgot to put a pokemon in my party and still beat him with 5 pokemon without any of them fainting 😅
Kieran is decently tough, but red is an absolute joke. His team is poorly built. Having all 3 kanto starters does not mean that you’re “strong”. He is only difficult if ur like, 10 - 15 Lvls lower. If ur at the same lvl, he’s a total pushover. His pikachu contributes nothing to the overall fight, the kanto starters while ok each one can be easily countered, lapras is a stupid replacement over his espeon from the original gold and silver games, and snorlax is probably the only actaully challenging mon on his team.
Personally, both the ai professors, and Kieran were super easy. Didn’t even have to try against Kieran
Apparently people found him difficult if you matched his level during the fight
@@SMBZYT yea, maybe I was just over Kieran’s Pokémons level
I will admit that Red doesnt have the best movesets, but they werent going to drastically change his team from gen 2 up to gen 4 and his party is more built on lore than on strategy. It was difficult back in GSC because of not only the levels but that team being built of some really hard to deal with pokemon for the days when there were only 251 to pick from. They updated it to give all the starters the "ultimate attacks" that they could get in FRLG (including Pikachu with Volt Tackle) and then gave him the gift pokemon that a player would receive in the gen 1 games in Lapras and Snorlax, kinda giving him the canonical gen 1 Yellow team. I'm not mad that hes not the strongest but I feel like being able to see his team is the most special out of all of them.
If being underleveled isn't a factor, I'm not even sure Red counts tbh.
Exactly
I might just be a Speedster fanboy, but I'd swap Red out for BW Ghetsis. Hydreigon in a limited Dex is insane. I feel like the only hard part of Red's fight is that you have to grind for it
ghetsis wasn't that tough though, he had a decent team but nothing crazy
which one is more difficult? Pokémon Platinum Cynthia? or Pokémon BW Cynthia in Undella Town?
I’d say her plat team is slight more difficult than her BW team but her B2W2 team is slightly more difficult than her plat team
To me Platinum. Coverage is much better with the move tutors while BW mainly has level advantage and double team Spiritomb. B2W2 team is somewhere in the middle.
Cynthia was crazy when I first fought her but volo staight up had her team,and two stages of giratina. You have to remember the game didn’t have many trainer battles, so it was even harder for me. I never got to fight red but kieran was easy because I was a few lvls higher.
Who the hell struggles with Red if you’re at a similar level??? 4/6 of his team gets hard checked by any fully evolved Electric type and your preferred Rock/Ground type (that isn’t Onix lmao). Hell, Snorlax has Blizzard, but it’s not particularly hard hitting on the special side, and it’s more physically vulnerable, so your Rock/Ground type still can probably take it on.
Bring something for Venusaur (like oh I don’t know, the most popular Johto Starter, or Arcanine, another very popular Pokemon), and you should have no issues.
The only reason there’s ever any challenge is because of the MASSIVE level gap between his team and yours.
Can I just say, even tho you’re not caring about levels, Kieran should’ve had all lv 100. This is DLC and came out a year later. And with Raids giving you a boon of EXP candies, bottle caps, TMs and battle items are easy to get, and berries are everywhere. By now even a kid would have at least a team of lv 100 pokemon with the legendaries of Ogerpon and Koraidon/Miraidon.
Double battles are harder but even a kid could muscle thru it.
Edit: I think the hardest boss in Pokemon is Ultra Necrozma. The stat boosts of totem Pokemon are difficult on their own but that was just cruel.
Here’s my experience
Red is unranked cuz I haven’t fought him.
Kieran is 3rd because my Pokémon were level 100 and built for double battles.
Volo is 2nd. I actually beated him first try but it was a little bit challenging. I feel the battle mechanics of PLA is what really screwed me up however. Strong style and agile style confuse me and there weren’t enough battles to help me understand.
Cynthia is first place because I took so many tries to beat her in BDSP and that’s not including her rematch team.
You should rank all the champions!
If I were to rank them based on how much I struggled:
4. Red
3. Cynthia
2. Kieran
1. Volo
red isn't even difficult in my opinion. if anything, he's more tedious because you have to grind all your Pokémon by having to wait for rematches. especially with how bad the level curve is in HG/SS to be able to level up decently. but once you do reach near his level, he's a walk in the park
thats fair but I love his character and I foudn him decently difficult. I lvoe HGSS a lto as a game tbh its up there as one of the best
Kieran’s hydrapple is tera fighting so it resists ice which its normally 4x weak to
Why not Tera fire then?
What about Whitney?
truly the elite 4
I never had trouble with these four
I don’t think one recharge move on the porygon should lower her. It can act like a pseudo explosion when porygon is ready to be sacked but she needs the KO first. Every mon having one is bad, but one having one when it can do stupid power is fine.
Looks like Tera fighting on hydrapple is for ice types
Wouldn’t Tera fire be better than plus the fairy resist 🤔
I went shiny hunting before battling Kieran. I somehow destroyed him with a level 40 shiny Ducklett on my team. 😅😅😅
I had an easy time with Keiran but then again all my Pokémon were level 100 (i think with the exception of Ogreopon) with great stats
Yup, that’ll do it
Honestly I’m not sure how to get the volo fight I’m probably going to have level 100s by the time I found out how after beating the main quest I’ve been playing casual filling in the dex time to time and just doing whatever missions I have in the area I pick the most fun Pokemon game in a long time for me actually makes me want to complete it
Steven in Emerald is hard. Unless you have a good Pokemon with Earthquake or Flamethrower/Fire Blast is pretty hard.
Swampert solos.
What about this boy in gen 5 with more than 2 legends with red hair's, and the gen 4 rival's father, they were as well incredible opponents
The person you’re referring two with red hair only has one legendary and only uses 3 pokemon and I didn’t include the gen 4 rival’s father since he is located within a battle facility, which I didn’t count
@@SMBZYT bro used a team with Kyogre, Zekrom, Latios, pyrax, dragonite and garchomp in game
@@SMBZYT and the father used a regigigas, heatran, and a cresselia in his real team, I think it's good enough 😅
Red is only hard cause he’s overleveled, Cynthia is Cynthia, Volo is hard if your starter was Decidueye like me but I bet the other starters one shot him both times, Kieran is hard even tho all my Pokémon were in the 90s and some were level 100. I agree with your rankings
Red was never a technically difficult fight - he's got a properly diverse theme, but it was always the monstrously sky-high levels compared to anything else you've fought up to that point that makes him strong.
BDSP are very poorly thought of overall in hindsight, but they did one important notable thing: they existed to firmly re-establish Cynthia as _THE_ most terrifyingly powerful Champion in Pokemon history, bar none.
Where tf is Whitney?
Whitney ain’t hard chief
Knowing how amazing Cyntias BDSP Team is makes me even more mad knowing how trash the games where overall
Mommy Cynthia ON TOP 🗣🔥
(I’m on my very first Platinum playthrough)
I would’ve put Lance over Kieran, I remember bro smokin me a few times in hg/ss
bolt beam go brrrrr
I rly struggled with Kieran bc I like to make new teams per dlc (so I had three teams total for my violet run)
For me Kieran is by far the best on his team with the strategic pokemon except hydrapple in addition to this duo fight and even in level he far exceeds Cynthia but it depends if there are people who went there with their team level 100
Kiren was easy I had the masked Pokemon just to troll him then swept him, with said Pokemon.
Am i tripping or is levels not an extremely noteworthy thing for red? Like you would have to grind for hours to get your team close to those levels atp in the game when you would be able to fight him
Kieran? Wow lol. I had a much more difficult time with Drayton.
Kieran wasn't too hard for me but i was using legendary pokemon so that's a given
Ultra Necrozma should replace Kieran imo
Kieran strong? He’s a great guy and all but if I can go in with my mono ghost type team and win I hardly things he’s THAT strong lol
I don't get it what's the lore behind Kieran using a fighting tera type on Hydrapple?
Ice type x4 against Grass / Dragon.
So, Tera Fighting is the best option.
All I had to use against Kieran was my at the time level 83 Alolan Raichu, lvl 79 Primarina, lvl 82 Incineroar and meowscarada, and lvl 78 Lucario, only Raichu was EV trained on only in one stat… Kieran is not hard 😭
Yeah the battle is still pretty easy, but compared to all the other big battles (especially the paldea elite 4) it has to be considered the hardest.