Discussing the Gassing Process - Conspiracy
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In January 1942, as the United States enters World War II, a conference assembles near Berlin. SS Gen. Heydrich (Kenneth Branagh) and his associate, Lt. Eichmann (Stanley Tucci) call the meeting to discuss the "evacuation" of Germany's Jews and other undesirables, a code word for their extermination in concentration camps. To begin this Final Solution, they must change the mind of a small group of men opposed to the idea, led by Chancellor Kritzinger (David Threlfall).
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kenneth branagh is possibly the most underrated actor of this generation
Not in his own estimation.
He is a great actor, but he is also generally well recognised as such
Sir Kenneth brannagh. The Queen recognised him .
He was amazing in “how to kill your neighbors dog”
Underrated my ass! He's highly rated.
The fact that Eichman has a hard time saying what happens to the body says something
He had a difficult time because he wanted to burst out laughing, like Freisler did.
He was enjoying it
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I like that the script + Tucci's depiction leave it as a open question whether he was disturbed by it or not. There's little evidence anywhere else in the film that Eichmann's character had compunctions about the Final Solution.
@@TomG1555 He plays Eichman so well. Charismatic, charming...evil.
@@TomG1555it’s an interesting depiction but in reality Eichmann was fully committed to the final solution and even at his trial in 1961 he stated that he had no regrets about what happened to the Jews.
When people say banality of evil, this is what they mean.
I have recently seen a German movie dealing with this same conference.
It was also very good, but in this one I recognise all the actors.
They're both just movies though
@@carminecampfiresong Where do you people come from? “They’re just movies, they’re just movies”… Yes! They are! Copied nearly word for word from the very real Wannsee Conference.
You’ll notice that in this movie, despite the filmmaker showcasing how evil is banal, charismatic, vicious, and self-obsessed, not one man is ignorant (unlike you) of what they are about to do to 10 million people.
To me, ignorance is far worse than plain evil. Ignorance converts the apathy of the masses into complicity, and complicity is exactly what must be manufactured in a society for atrocities like this to be carried out again.
@@carminecampfiresongwhat’s your point
the German TV production is nowhere near the same level. like the part where one guy goes and makes a bombastic speech about how they're going to eliminate Poland, a lot of mustache twirling type caricatures. this stenographer had more lines than most of the principal participants in the conference.
Der letzte Teilsatz gibt zu denken auf.^
That staredown at 2:25 is brutal, despite sitting down he still manages to assert himself just by giving a look and the word "Eat"
You clearly don't mess with Heydrich.
@@GK1976A the czechs did they killed him
The allies air dropped in commandos to kill him because the exiled Czech government was terrified of this guy. He was head of the Gestapo and only answered to Hitler, Himmler, and Goering. He was very competent, efficient, and completely ruthless with no regard for human life. He is regarded by many historians as the worst of the Nazis and was feared by many in the German army and SS. The movie hints at his disregard for his personal safety because likes to live dangerously. In real life that got him killed. Which saved Europe a lot of pain and ever more misery.
And what happened to them in retaliation?
R we 2 deduce from this, that this was a clandestine operation, even from A.H. ?
It's a remarkable movie, not just for the subject matter and history, but that the filmmakers made what was effectively a business meeting, with very little visual or physical action, into an interesting plot based on the individual personalities vying for control + the skills of the acting ensemble, which were considerable.
compared to the earlier German version this is league's better. They really flesh out the characters, they feel human, and that's the horror
That's because of the incredibly diabolical nature of what is being discussed, contrasted with the calm, nonchalant, efficient and businesslike nature in which the meeting is conducted. That awful juxtaposition can't help but fascinate the viewer. You sit there asking yourself "how _can_ they discuss something so utterly monstrous so casually?" This is what Hannah Arendt referred to as the banality of evil, a phrase she coined watching Adolf Eichmann on trial in 1961 -- the evil of the Holocaust is so demonic, you can't help but imagine it being perpetrated by obvious and clearly identifiable fiends straight out of hell, but Eichmann and the others at this conference looked like any other bureaucrats or middle managers, who wouldn't have drawn a second glance working in the offices of any ordinary company.
It has no action. In fact I don't believe there is even a holstered firearm in the movie, and yet it grabbed me from the beginning and held me spellbound the entire run.
the wansee conference never discussed this stuff, we literally have the written manuscript of what happened.
@@timhart8737 You have to read between the lines where "evacuation" and "final solution" are mentioned in the manuscript. The film also outlines parts where it seems likely that discussions of certain topics (such as the shooting of civilians) were not to be entered into the transcription. Given the overall transcript, it seems very reasonable to assume that at the very least everyone at the table knew what was being discussed.
the look the SS dude gives Eichmann as they listen to him ranting about his dad's cigar is super creepy.
The guy complaining about feeling sick and going to the bathroom is actually Otto Hofmann of the SS Race and Settlement Main Office. Eichmann was the guy talking about the statistics and how they came out pink when they were gassed, which in turn made Hoffman ill and he fled to the bathroom trying to make his excuses.
@@deanhibler3117 guy definitely can't stomach that.
@@deanhibler3117ah thank you I thought it was supposed to be Gestapo Müller I didn’t think he would swoon like that
That other SS soldier was head of the Einsatzgruppen (death squads) in the east. He is a sadistic cold blooded mass murderer.
WW2 absolutely brought out the worst evils out of some countries most radical philosophies and yet some will never learn...
The Soviets got very lucky that they got invaded by the Nazis and eventually joined the Allies. Got off clean and Scot free as a result. They deserved to be charged with crimes against humanity as much as the Nazis. Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Japanese Imperialism, all evil, all flourished at the same time.
We're seeing a repeat of it today
Try and tell me people in the US wouldn’t say Hail Trump and go through with exactly the same things against liberals.
@@noblejennette2101 I wont tell you lies dude. Also Lebensraum from WW2 and Americans manifesting destiny was basicly the same thing only one worked out sooo
@JoSheperd
IF "you" keep sustaining LIES like this, then yes we will never learn an never Reconciliate with each other...
The Hell with this sophistic History of the Victors !
I instantly go "hey it's these three actors" based on the thumbnail then I double check and I somehow only have Owen Teale right. This movie is stacked with great actors.
Jesus. They discuss genocide like it's a casual Sunday afternoon. 😵💫
That's the point. It's the reason the film is so chilling.
That's how Maffia works
For them, it WAS a casual Sunday afternoon.
so did stalin he signed death warrents of thousands everyday
How did the British and Americans discuss their decision to refuse Jewish immigrants into their countries?
Kenneth Branaugh staring at you and saying "eat." Fucking intimidating.
Would have been great if he laughed at him and said "blow me"
Reminds me of that comedy sketch where an S.S man asks his commander "are we the baddies?" I think this film answers that question, and not because they have skulls on their caps. Eichman and Heydrich are as close to pure evil as any humans ever were.
That episode where "The Office" turned unexpectedly dark
On top of all the craziness in this movie is the appearance of a young Tom Hiddleston.
In fairness, it's a very minor role (Phone Operator) at the beginning of his career, so folks shouldn't go into it expecting to see much of him at all. It's a "blink and you'll miss it" appearance, for the most part.
@@TomG1555one of the craziest Loki variant timelines.
@@TomG1555 It's a low key appearance.
I forgot which youtuber mentioned this, but it always stuck with me:
This movie is a true horror film not because it's scary, or not even so much because of the subject manner...
But rather, because at moments like when everyone laughs at the "red to pink" joke, YOU as the audience becomes so involved, so committed to seeing and hearing what these people explained up to this point, that YOU too end up laughing with them.
That sort of transformation when you could, almost accidentally, laugh at something someone said...is where the horror comes in to play.
It may have been this. ruclips.net/video/6MNf4fNfVTI/видео.htmlsi=EmE0nJe6kPOqqyVJ
Excellent example of what is never far away...they are among us...cheers, Johnny...E
Was? Wer?
Superbly portrayed, informative movie of an actual unbelievable event. Thank you KB.
Cant even fathom how they can discuss this so casually, twisted evil people
They convinced themselves that this was normal and it was the right thing to do, so it’s no surprise they behaved in this manner.
everyone calls them evil, nobody ever asks why they did what they did
Go to any of your "Free Palestine" discussions.
@@UEE-kj6ek They came up with a solution to a problem they had. Hence the "final solution".
@@UEE-kj6ekOkay... what's the rationale for killing 11 million people? Like, why?
At least one man felt revulsion … not enough to take a stand…. When the good do nothing evil wins… not saying he was good but it is a clear illustration…
Everyone round that table was despicable. They were there because they were seen to be prime enablers of the holocaust.
What strikes me about this scene is how easily it could happen again today. It is a very rare person who will actually take a stand against evil, especially when everyone around him is "going along to get along."
the announcer from Rome, Posca from Rome, the English navy captain from Dunkirk / Treskow from Valkyrie, Ernst Rohm from Hitler Rise of Evil, and Ser Allister Thorne.
also why did that guy have to leave for the bathroom?
Because he was disgusted and needed to get away from the meeting.
Because he felt sick at what they were doing
Peter Stormare was Roehm in Hitler RoE. He is not in this film.
He was horrified at what they were about to do, but was terrified of Heydrich and the consequences of speaking out. All the illness stuff was just a fig leaf for a normal man entrapped by monsters.
There were lots of instances where men like these suffered nervous breakdowns, depression, alcoholism and even suicide because of what they were doing. The guy consoling him in the bathroom was SS major langer. He commanded einsatzgruppe task forces in Latvia. These groups went into villages behind the advancing army and shot hundreds of thousands of people and huge mass graves. One of the reasons for this conference was this method of racial cleansing was too inefficient and costing too many men because of mental illness.
Gildroy Lockhart and Caesar Flickerman discussing the Holocaust.
Branagh is not tall enough to play Heidrich.
This movie chilled me to the bone! ....Scarier than any horror film.
Because holocaust were mostly done not by SS soldiers but for public functionaries working from logistics to barb wire. A huge deniable killing machine
They took actual minutes from the meeting.
Its crazy to think that these men all came from very ordinary backgrounds, its just crazy to see how evil people can become when desensitized to certain things. An ideology so backwards that it normalized this as if it was just "taking pigs to the slaughter house"
everyone calls them evil, nobody ever asks why they got to that point
Our Ivy colleges show how this behavior lays right under our noses
@@UEE-kj6ek I mean realistically there’s no excuse for this level of evil. But I do agree that it’s not often discussed as to how these supposed ordinary men turn into monsters like this.
@@froot6086 People arent "good" they are taught.
@@froot6086 these men coming from ordinary backgrounds should tell you that maybe they were responding rationally to a problem they had. The germans didnt suddenly become evil, they were defending themselves from evil. Do some nuanced research into why h itler rose to power and why the german people supported him.
This film is an absolute masterpiece. Superb acting, writing, and directing.
Terrifying, dehumanization of the "problem"
I saw this when I first came out and was one of the most shocking things I had ever seen. What stuck me was the way they could sit in a pleasant room having what appears to be a normal meeting yet are discussing the murder of millions of innocent people.
You are so gullible it's unbelievable.
It's a movie. That's all.
The most evil people on the planet are business people. My father considered himself a businessman and constantly spoke of those other businessmen he admired. They were all scumbags and when I called him out on it, for he was supposed to be Catholic he hated me because he worshipped them. He actually believed in the words of the Godfather, ‘it’s only business.’
Where this was held in the suburbs of Berlin is a beautiful home and grounds. Its a museum now. I toured it a couple of years ago.
You have a keen sense of humanity, dinging out the odd treats of us out of obscure movies. Thank you.
1:34 Interesting to see that Ser Alliser hated Jews almost as much as he hated Jon Snow.
0:29 holy crap is that first officer murdoch?
Yes
Chilling.
Johnny do you mind uploading more scenes from Che (2008)?
This is pure hollywood.Hard to find movies about Stalin and Bolshevic brutality.
2:28, that "Death Stare" terrifying!
Heinrich died a horrible death and never realized his dream of occupyong that grand house after the war.
I love this...
It's beautiful in it's own way
Have you watched this movie?
Its a pretty good movie
Hundred times already because of the very good dialogue.
So this is what Ser Alister was up to before being sent to the wall..
Notice that teh camera stays at level of their heads. The idea is that you are part of the meeting.
A well done film, and not just for it's subject, the acting by everyone is also excellent. If I'm right, the actor for Eichmann is the only American. Am glad everyone stuck to their regular accents.
My understanding from the nazi meeting notes is that they never discussed to this detail.
Cold, very very cold
They hated each other more.
Absolute evil in the apathy and casualness of it
great movie
I need to keep reminding myself that the brilliant actor Branagh is playing Heydrich, as they look nothing alike. The casting of Detlef Bothe as Heydrich in "Anthropoid" is a very good likeness.
This kind of meetings keep going on as we speak
WEF
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The German version from 1985 is definitively more convincing. There is a bit too much british coolness and restraint in the figures.
There is a more recent movie that came out last year
i like the original, but this remake was very good!
Q: "How could it happen?"
A: The Spartacist Revolt (Oct 1918 thru Jan 1919)
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Conference mentioning numbers as if they're counting money
What a cast tho! Incredibly disturbing film, of course, but an absolutely amazing cast
What movie is this?
Conspiracy
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Hmm never heard of this movie.
Hasn't Eichmann been a Lt Col (SS)?
What is this movie??
Conspiracy. About the Wannsee conference
Imagine looking like this 2:24 you're not going to live much longer obviously and this is how you spend your remaining time
Well, I didn't know Stanley Tucci and Kenneth Branagh are into doing this sort of thing.
What thing? Acting?
This was a great movie,NOT WHAT IT REFERS 2
This movie is soo underrated. This is classroom worthy.....for us all.
I could do this for a living
1:30 the right hand guy looks like the actual FDP partyhead Christian Lindner.
It is unbelievable that human beings could sit round a table and act like this mass slaughter of innocent people isn't utterly insane.
Cool
Rookie numbers
Acting Masterclass!!!
This totally happened
Gute, dass sie hier die korrekten Uniformen nebet Insignien benutzten. Anders als in einem deutschen Vorgänger
Die Lokation ist auch tatsächlich der Ort wo das stattfand. Genau dieses Gebäude.
why not just be upwind and smoke a cigarette?
The Israeli scientist Uri Berliner investigated the camps in Poland and discovered they were using laughing gas on the prisoners. They laughed themselves to death
The SS officer seen smirking at 1:03 was the head of an Einzatzgruppen who used the mass shooting method so I presume that the director is attempting irony here as to the perceived cleanliness and efficiency of an activity that this man knows personally is anything but . Just my take. It’s all fictional anyway apart from the parts drawn from the surviving transcript. The German version is rather better at guiding the viewer’s mind without any guesswork.
I like the German one and would like to see this one as well. It's all subversively fascinating
@@visionist7 ok well “ Die Wanseekonferenz “ is up and ready to watch for free here on RUclips. Let me know what you thought ? Expect to ….well I won’t say any more. Enjoy
@@goodnightvienna8511 I saw the 80s German one on here a year or so ago. I actually watched it twice. It's of course more authentic and less sensationalistic (not that this one, Conspiracy, seems sensationalistic at all, but having British actors and and a more cinematic bent it's gonna be more stylised at the end of the day). I liked seeing all the 30s German cars at the start as well.
There's also the 2022 one. I would like to see them all
@@visionist7 yes I forgot about the Mercedes Benz turning up at the beginning. Beautiful and the armoured ones were heavy. Ironically, on this occasion, Heydrich flew in , a plane piloted by himself , as it was more suited to the tight schedule he had, but he would travel the streets of Prague in an open topped, un armoured Mercedes. Himmler berated him on at least one occasion for being blasé regarding his safety but Heydrich ignored him. It’s well known what happened to him. I think it’s fair to say amongst many other personal traits, arrogance was one.
This is how Ser Alliser got to castle black. Lol
What Martin from Human Centipede 2 was a Nazi never!
A movie with people sitting around a table discussing things can be boring...or it can give you shills like this movie or wansee42 i saw last year.
Where in the minutes of the actual Wannsee meeting would we find the words "carbon monoxide" or "gassing" ?
Also, what about the "bathhouse ...where the floor was electrified in a special way"? That was said to be the method of extermination at Belzec - That's in the Nuremberg trial transcript.
Look up "Camp Belsen" + " avalon project".
The germans speaking english!? Totally insane!
0:40 is displaces the oxygen colorless and odorless - kind a like what the planes and chemtrails do to us today!!! same thing
Jimmy Page before Led Zeppelin with short hair.
Cigarettes. Always cigarettes.
Terrifying film.
"Yes, and the chambers will have wooden doors"
“Make sure they open inward, and don’t forget to add the chimney after the liberation!”
Even David Irwing admitted that it happened. According to him, mass killings happened in the death camps far east. He also talked that the number is to high. So what does it really make a difference, 2 million or 6 in total? It did happen either way.
@@neinsager3236 Did he take the time to explain the pool, or the Soccer Field?
@@normalplayer7377 Where, Birkenau? Theresienstadt had a theatre and a soccer field. What of it? I am talking about Bergen Belsen, Treblinka, Sobibor. Irwing talked about it.
@@neinsager3236 Yeah, those weren't death camps. They were work Camps.
Is that Ser Allister Throne!!? Haha
Many of these men must have been thinking “I hope we lose this war”.
Meeting of psychopaths.
I didn't realize Adolf Eichmann has a pierced ear LOL (01:15)
Eagle eye
This film has absolutely NOTHING on the German film "Die Wannsee Conference" made in 1984.
Here the characters look like slouches and bicker. In the German film, the characters were much more dynamic and resolute....more fitting with German culture.
....and the actor that played Hydrich was a master. Such perfect details and in the uniforms as well.
Of course it doesn't, the title translated that doesn't even match why would you bring it up? Another little internet man trying to feel important.
gen z in 2024 repeating history
How?
Currently discussing similar options for Gaza.
Like Hamas did on October 7?
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 how dare you compare G_d’s Chiosen People with with a Fascist Theocratic regime
@tokroni God is a myth. There is no chosen people. Only people.
It must be hard being mentally disabled.
Hamas discussing attacking Israel on October 7, killing and/or kidnapping Israeli and foreign civilians.
Did anyone else see the 28 million likes?
Yeah... Soo...???
Just making sure my thing ain’t glitching
Bureaucrats UP TO NO GOOD !
Is the "goes in red, comes out pink" joke a reference to the Jews' supposed communism or were Jews thought to have a reddish skin color?
It was a reference to communism
S.S. deff had us beat when it came to uniform design...imagine growing up seeing most men in your life in clean/perfectly fitting professional uniforms...then comes spring of 1945 and you see your heroes the men you admired being defeated by slavic/mongol looking hoardes in their ill fitting one size fits all tunics/pants destroying everything you know
Hugo Boss designed them.
Is there something wrong with you?
@@damirblazevic4823mongol/slavic looking hoarde member spotted
The German movie "The Wannsee Conference" is better, and far darker.
No it's not. Under multiple aspects.
@@lainiwakura44It may not be a better movie but it is indeed darker. No atendees express any moral qualms over what is discussed. It is just a cordial meeting about killing 6 million people and I am convinced it is truer to history. But the beauty of the Conspiracy is that it provides context with its fictional disgust, conflicts and threats among some of the attendees.
I wonder if they are pro Palestine
christ I can't watch english actors portraying German generals. it's more authentic to hire German speaking actors!!
Marketing Vs realism