I like how when Winter starts scolding them for stealing an airship the first thing she says it's "You could've been shot down!" In my mind that line betrays that she's not upset because they broke the law, it's because she was scared for her sister's safety.
You'll notice it's always snowing in Atlas, but because Atlas hovers over Mantle they don't get the direct sun. They only get what Atlas leaves them, and that includes the melting snow that trickles down like rainfall. Although, what goes up must come down. You can't block out the sun and expect everything to thrive in your shadow. You can't defy gravity. Much like you can't deny the gravity of the situation. Mantle cannot be expected to thrive in Atlas' shadow.
Fun Facts Fact 1: This is the first episode to not be written and directed by Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross and the first episode to be written by Kiersi Burkhart. Fact 2: In the Volume 7 Crew Commentary, it's stated that Ironwood returning the Relic of Knowledge to Ruby's Group was his greatest showing of trust. Fact 3: The writers have stated that this episode was really tricky to write because it was getting close to an exposition dump. They had to balance movement and how much the characters can emote, especially when they lie. Ironwood's office shifting to present his plan was a cool idea and it was another way to stay in the room without things getting boring. Fact 4: They really wanted Team RWBY to feel like they were on the right path and had something to follow, establishing the theme of trust early on. Fact 5: Connor Pickens joked that he thought that Ironwood should propose to Oscar when he was kneeling. Fact 6: The writers commented on how positively Penny stated "it will be just like Beacon again" when she got destroyed there in Volume 3. Fact 7: The commentary for this episode was recorded on Kerry Shawcross's birthday.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Yeah, she was thinking about having her friends around her and getting to work with them. Meanwhile we in the FNDM collectively felt our graves being danced on.
- Watts is a good Hacker, but he'd be far less able to affect things up in Atlas. As he said, while the codes 'upstairs' have been upgraded, the stuff down in Mantle is still the old stuff he has all the backdoors for.
Hugs are a Schnee love language for me. Don't expect any from Jacques though, I don't even know if he knows what love is. But between our two sisters here, it is a way of reassuring each other, of saying that they love each other and that they are also proud of each other. We were able to see it in volume 3 when Winter gave one to Weiss and now it's Weiss who returns it to her, and seeing how Weiss has grown since volume 3, she understands the message behind it even better.
I'd say telling the people about Salem would possibly allow Remnant to be united against a common enemy, and unification was an important stipulation in order for the Brother Gods to NOT destroy the planet, but Ironwood doesn't know about any of that aspect of Ozpin's backstory. So i think he's probably approaching this from the perspective that, if the people know about Salem, Ironwood doesn't have to keep working in secrecy and lying to the population about what they're doing and why and therefore they will hate him less for imposing martial law or something. I get it, but it still seems like an unnecessary risk given the situation...
You have to understand what Ruby is doing, lying to General Ironwood. They already had a traitorous Headmaster in the form of Leonardo Lionheart. And with the state that Mantle is in over Atlas, she rather not take the chance of telling the whole truth now, lest the General turns on our group.
Not to mention when they found out Yang kept screaming, Qrow punched Ozpin (and by extension Oscar) into a tree, and Jaune pinned him to a wall. She now knows first hand how people will react when you tell them the big bad is unkillable.
Technicly speaking Ruby isn't lying. She is just withholding some information, that Ironwood never asked about. (Ozpin did tell them that all questions were used up, she just didn't volunteer the information that they found out that Ozpin was a big liar)
@@eliudesantos3237 Spoilers You could argue that they should have just kept the secret, considering the only reason he freaks out in the end is because they told him, trust is a risk after all, but yes it doesn’t end well
An interesting thing to keep in mind for the volume: it's never stated in the show but the shows creators explained Ironwood's semblance and it's very interesting. It's a more passive semblance like Qrow's misfortune but it's an ability to strengthen his resolve, making it easier to make tough decisions and hyper-focus on things. However, it does make him more uncompromising once he comes up with an idea, I like to think of his semblance as super stubbornness.
I love this volume a lot, and the uncertainty of what to believe, there even was a theory that ironwood placed a bug on Qrow during the hug to spy on them lol, man I can’t wait for you guys to watch the rest
This episode really highlights why Ozpin didnt always share everything with everyone. It wasn't that long ago that team RWBY was reprimanding Oz for his omissions and lies and general lack of trust, only to suddenly feel the need to do the very same thing to their allies
Well. Ruby felt that. And everyone sorta followed. Though yang having a history of shit being kept from her is right to be that one who says "this isnt right. We need to address this sooner rather than later."
Winter has always been one of my favorite characters, but the next few volumes just solidify that. Y'all are getting into my absolute favorite part of Rwby now, I can't wait to see what you think of it!
"You stole an Atlas airship? What were you thinking?" "Well you know that deranged elderly Specialist you sent to Argus so you wouldn't have to deal with her? Well she deluded herself into thinking that she decided what is and isn't important enough to 'bother' communicating with Atlas. And since Ozpin's little secret cabal never set up any kind of shared security access to bypass such self important headasses, it was either steal an airship or never get the Relic of Knowledge here at all."
there's an odd saying....a bad plan is better than no plan....the problem is his Paranoid and relying on Ozma's guidance shows he is trying but a bit much
Loved the reaction, as always! This episode was a satisfying resolution to how Chapter 1 left off, while laying the groundwork for a lot more to come. Even though we don't get any fights, it's nice to get more Penny and Winter. (Winter best girl!)
We get a sense of how ironwood reacts to things right from volume 2 They knew something was going to happen at beacon but wasn't sure where from or what was going to happen and what does ironwood do? Any threat he brings his entire military force to confront the problem. He overreacts and asks for trust but is unwilling to give it unless it benefits him in some way or its under his terms. A dangerous combination. Trust is a risk but its also a two way street you can't have someone trust someone when that person only trusts them to a certain point I think Ruby was wise to keep certain facts from ironwood until they get a better sense of what he is like now and how he handles the situation in atlas and mantle. Afterall they have only just arrived in atlas better to get a feel for the situation before making rash action
Penny of all people saying “it will be just like beacon again” is the most ominous stuff I’ve ever heard And Ace Ops are pronounced same as Aesop’s as in Aesop’s fables. They are all based on those.
Ironwood hopes all of Remnant will unify under Atlas leadership/force (and his dominating authority). The problem is his semblence is Mettle - complete resoluteness in his belief. Ruby/RWBY must now deal with the moral conundrum of lying vs revelation.
This and another comment pointed out the military occupation angle of Ironwood's plan, and i can't believe i've re-watched this show countless times and never thought of it before now. The vibes were there in Volume 2 and 3 but i kinda wish the show leaned into that more for the Atlas arc, it could've been interesting
6:36 i´ve seen this episode so many times with some many other reaction chanels or alone but this is the firstime that i notice that when ruby admited that they stealed the ship ironwood laught on silence.
Hi rowdy couple in love. Just to keep you guys up to date on the discourse around Rooster Teeth and RWBY: looks like they've found a partner to buy the rights to RWBY and continue production with the original cast and crew, and maybe with additional hands on deck. We will know the studio in the next few weeks per Kerry
1:28 I find it funny you like Jaune's new look from what little you've seen because a couple months before the volume came out they released pictures of the new looks and people freaked out about Jaune's hair cut and not in a good way.
Ken & Beth, thank you for your continued insightful comments on this chapter. I was remembering how my first time thru the series how uneasy it had to be at this point for our heroes, especially Ruby. And then you have Dr. Watts and Tyrian, lurking in the shadows of Mantle. Let's see what develops in the chapters to come...... Til next time, STAY GOLDEN!! 🫡🌹❄️🖤🔥
So I'll just get it out of the way and say it never sat right with me that Ruby kept the truth from Ironwood, especially after he returned the lamp to her
When the world is united under 1 banner great things can be done...I get his plan but what's the old saying "if your going to make a cake a few egg will be broken" 🤔
Love how he says "Panic is enevidable" ignoring ALL the other Kingdoms who are going to suffer because of it. He knows People will get hurt and still takes this plan...not gon spoil anything but...that ain't the way. The next ep Glowup is so worth the watch though ^^
I don't think he's planning to let the other kingdons suffer. Launch tower > tell Atlas > defend Atlas > Tell the other kingdoms > send the Altas forces to defend them Whether that plan would work -shrugs-
@@needude7218 Yeah you got it for sure. My understanding from the get-go was always basically "broadcast to 1 kingdom. (starting with his own) Defend said Kingdom. Rinse, repeat, results.
@@undeathghost5627 I see your point but the way he said that it would "Reinstate GLOBAL communications" lets me belive that he was not going Kindom by Kingdom. Considering his "Save Atlas at all cost" attitude he displays in the future, this approach seems the most resonable to assume but you could be right...at least for now
@@WalterWhite-jz7ct To be fair, you can reinstate global communications and then only communicate the Salem thing piece by piece. Like that seems possible. Whether or not that is his intent... Well we'll have to see! (Spoiler free zone)
@@undeathghost5627 Of coure, no spoilers. With anyone else, I may agree but with Ironwood....even team RWBY at one point says he's "Prone to overreaction" so I doubt it was ever his plan to "go easy" on the other Kingdoms, so to say
The whole truth discussion had me wanting to suggest The Expanse to you guys, if you haven’t seen it already. It also fits with RWBY in that it has the most badass female characters. Vote Avasarala-Draper in 2024.
Thats not martial law, thats just militaryvacting as police, if they dicted martial law would be even worse. They are not in martial law... Yet. P.S. Ruby is doing exactly the thing that Ozpin did and was reciminated for: keeping the truth for herself.
To this day I still don’t think it’s a wise idea to volunteer for a plan without at least telling that individual Salem is immortal. He might reconsider the part about telling everyone.
this is the episode where I lost the plot. Two full seasons of "No more lies, no more secrets" they turned on Oz and physically assaulted each other over keeping these secrets. Whats the first thing they do when they get to atlas? Tell the exact same lies in the exact same way, justifying it using the exact same reasons.
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"It will be just like Beacon again"
and at that moment the RWBY community collectively gasped with an "oh no"
Insert 1000 memes of this being repeated with more and more doom music.
@@Osma777 it was a fun time. I enjoyed all the doom theories that people were coming up with.
@@Osma777 it sounded weird hearing it only once this time from the edits
I like how when Winter starts scolding them for stealing an airship the first thing she says it's "You could've been shot down!" In my mind that line betrays that she's not upset because they broke the law, it's because she was scared for her sister's safety.
You'll notice it's always snowing in Atlas, but because Atlas hovers over Mantle they don't get the direct sun. They only get what Atlas leaves them, and that includes the melting snow that trickles down like rainfall. Although, what goes up must come down. You can't block out the sun and expect everything to thrive in your shadow. You can't defy gravity. Much like you can't deny the gravity of the situation. Mantle cannot be expected to thrive in Atlas' shadow.
And now we start to understand why Oz kept secrets.
"It'll be just like Beacon again!"
FEAR these words.
Whaaaat noooo. What could be bad about beacon 2.0. we all loved the beacon arc!
the “o-okay…” when ironwood hugged qrow LOLLL exactly how i reacted 😆😆😆
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Fun Facts
Fact 1: This is the first episode to not be written and directed by Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross and the first episode to be written by Kiersi Burkhart.
Fact 2: In the Volume 7 Crew Commentary, it's stated that Ironwood returning the Relic of Knowledge to Ruby's Group was his greatest showing of trust.
Fact 3: The writers have stated that this episode was really tricky to write because it was getting close to an exposition dump. They had to balance movement and how much the characters can emote, especially when they lie. Ironwood's office shifting to present his plan was a cool idea and it was another way to stay in the room without things getting boring.
Fact 4: They really wanted Team RWBY to feel like they were on the right path and had something to follow, establishing the theme of trust early on.
Fact 5: Connor Pickens joked that he thought that Ironwood should propose to Oscar when he was kneeling.
Fact 6: The writers commented on how positively Penny stated "it will be just like Beacon again" when she got destroyed there in Volume 3.
Fact 7: The commentary for this episode was recorded on Kerry Shawcross's birthday.
Penny looking at the good side of things only 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Yeah, she was thinking about having her friends around her and getting to work with them. Meanwhile we in the FNDM collectively felt our graves being danced on.
Not so fun fact despite Ironwood trusting RWBY...RWBY did not trust him and even back stabbed him really bad.
My first thoughts about Ironwood's plan was that it would look like a convenient excuse to invade every other kingdom with his military.
You know I never looked at it that way and you're not wrong.
- Watts is a good Hacker, but he'd be far less able to affect things up in Atlas. As he said, while the codes 'upstairs' have been upgraded, the stuff down in Mantle is still the old stuff he has all the backdoors for.
Fun fact Ironwood has the most lines of any character this volume, so much so that he is right behind team Rwby for most lines in the show
After Lionheart being a traitor Ruby is playing it safe not trusting Ironwood
Makes sense 🙂
Hugs are a Schnee love language for me. Don't expect any from Jacques though, I don't even know if he knows what love is. But between our two sisters here, it is a way of reassuring each other, of saying that they love each other and that they are also proud of each other. We were able to see it in volume 3 when Winter gave one to Weiss and now it's Weiss who returns it to her, and seeing how Weiss has grown since volume 3, she understands the message behind it even better.
We wouldn’t want a hug from Jacques 🤢😒😜
Just a small hug would be ok. Like, around his neck.
A nice, tight hug.
I'd say telling the people about Salem would possibly allow Remnant to be united against a common enemy, and unification was an important stipulation in order for the Brother Gods to NOT destroy the planet, but Ironwood doesn't know about any of that aspect of Ozpin's backstory. So i think he's probably approaching this from the perspective that, if the people know about Salem, Ironwood doesn't have to keep working in secrecy and lying to the population about what they're doing and why and therefore they will hate him less for imposing martial law or something. I get it, but it still seems like an unnecessary risk given the situation...
You have to understand what Ruby is doing, lying to General Ironwood. They already had a traitorous Headmaster in the form of Leonardo Lionheart. And with the state that Mantle is in over Atlas, she rather not take the chance of telling the whole truth now, lest the General turns on our group.
Not to mention when they found out Yang kept screaming, Qrow punched Ozpin (and by extension Oscar) into a tree, and Jaune pinned him to a wall. She now knows first hand how people will react when you tell them the big bad is unkillable.
Technicly speaking Ruby isn't lying. She is just withholding some information, that Ironwood never asked about.
(Ozpin did tell them that all questions were used up, she just didn't volunteer the information that they found out that Ozpin was a big liar)
Yeah... But
*Spoilers
That didn't work out very well in the end did it?
Team RWBY is not always in the right about everything, we have to let this narrative go, the plot is proof enough.
@@eliudesantos3237
Spoilers
You could argue that they should have just kept the secret, considering the only reason he freaks out in the end is because they told him, trust is a risk after all, but yes it doesn’t end well
Fun thing, the Ace Ops are based on... Aesop. Ace Ops. Aesop's fables. I love it lol
Not sure if you've already been told, but this is the only volume so far without an after-credits scene in the final episode.
We hadn’t been told. Thanks for the heads up 😅
An interesting thing to keep in mind for the volume: it's never stated in the show but the shows creators explained Ironwood's semblance and it's very interesting. It's a more passive semblance like Qrow's misfortune but it's an ability to strengthen his resolve, making it easier to make tough decisions and hyper-focus on things. However, it does make him more uncompromising once he comes up with an idea, I like to think of his semblance as super stubbornness.
Agh it's so cool that it rains in Mantle. Such a moody city.
It's quite telling how much trust the group has in Ruby to lead. Especially Qrow since he didn't speak up when Ruby wasn't being direct with Ironwood.
And Ruby withholding the knowledge they knew from Ironwood turned out to be her gravest mistake.
ironwood has the best character arc in the show
I love this volume a lot, and the uncertainty of what to believe, there even was a theory that ironwood placed a bug on Qrow during the hug to spy on them lol, man I can’t wait for you guys to watch the rest
This episode really highlights why Ozpin didnt always share everything with everyone. It wasn't that long ago that team RWBY was reprimanding Oz for his omissions and lies and general lack of trust, only to suddenly feel the need to do the very same thing to their allies
Well. Ruby felt that. And everyone sorta followed. Though yang having a history of shit being kept from her is right to be that one who says "this isnt right. We need to address this sooner rather than later."
Winter has always been one of my favorite characters, but the next few volumes just solidify that. Y'all are getting into my absolute favorite part of Rwby now, I can't wait to see what you think of it!
"You stole an Atlas airship? What were you thinking?"
"Well you know that deranged elderly Specialist you sent to Argus so you wouldn't have to deal with her? Well she deluded herself into thinking that she decided what is and isn't important enough to 'bother' communicating with Atlas. And since Ozpin's little secret cabal never set up any kind of shared security access to bypass such self important headasses, it was either steal an airship or never get the Relic of Knowledge here at all."
there's an odd saying....a bad plan is better than no plan....the problem is his Paranoid and relying on Ozma's guidance shows he is trying but a bit much
Loved the reaction, as always! This episode was a satisfying resolution to how Chapter 1 left off, while laying the groundwork for a lot more to come. Even though we don't get any fights, it's nice to get more Penny and Winter. (Winter best girl!)
3:50 robin hill and the happy huntress'.... sounds familiar... like robin hood and the merry men
😊😀
It's going to be like Beacon again.........................😊😊😊😊
🥲🥲🥲
😬😬😬
This volume gonna be crazy so I suggest get some popcorn and tissues for it.
😎👍😯
We get a sense of how ironwood reacts to things right from volume 2
They knew something was going to happen at beacon but wasn't sure where from or what was going to happen and what does ironwood do? Any threat he brings his entire military force to confront the problem. He overreacts and asks for trust but is unwilling to give it unless it benefits him in some way or its under his terms. A dangerous combination.
Trust is a risk but its also a two way street you can't have someone trust someone when that person only trusts them to a certain point
I think Ruby was wise to keep certain facts from ironwood until they get a better sense of what he is like now and how he handles the situation in atlas and mantle. Afterall they have only just arrived in atlas better to get a feel for the situation before making rash action
Still fun to remember that Marrows VA is Ricepirate, a youtube animator.
Penny of all people saying “it will be just like beacon again” is the most ominous stuff I’ve ever heard
And Ace Ops are pronounced same as Aesop’s as in Aesop’s fables. They are all based on those.
Was that the Gooch Pooch Eric "Big Dog" Bodour?!?!?!
Who is this person you speak of? 🤔
"Trust is a risk"
Can't wait for you to meet Robyn Hill
Ironwood hopes all of Remnant will unify under Atlas leadership/force (and his dominating authority). The problem is his semblence is Mettle - complete resoluteness in his belief. Ruby/RWBY must now deal with the moral conundrum of lying vs revelation.
This and another comment pointed out the military occupation angle of Ironwood's plan, and i can't believe i've re-watched this show countless times and never thought of it before now. The vibes were there in Volume 2 and 3 but i kinda wish the show leaned into that more for the Atlas arc, it could've been interesting
6:36 i´ve seen this episode so many times with some many other reaction chanels or alone but this is the firstime that i notice that when ruby admited that they stealed the ship ironwood laught on silence.
Hi rowdy couple in love. Just to keep you guys up to date on the discourse around Rooster Teeth and RWBY: looks like they've found a partner to buy the rights to RWBY and continue production with the original cast and crew, and maybe with additional hands on deck. We will know the studio in the next few weeks per Kerry
1:28 I find it funny you like Jaune's new look from what little you've seen because a couple months before the volume came out they released pictures of the new looks and people freaked out about Jaune's hair cut and not in a good way.
Ken & Beth, thank you for your continued insightful comments on this chapter.
I was remembering how my first time thru the series how uneasy it had to be at this point for our heroes, especially Ruby.
And then you have Dr. Watts and Tyrian, lurking in the shadows of Mantle.
Let's see what develops in the chapters to come...... Til next time, STAY GOLDEN!! 🫡🌹❄️🖤🔥
God I love ironwood. Everyone is just lost with no idea what to do but at least he has a plan
So I'll just get it out of the way and say it never sat right with me that Ruby kept the truth from Ironwood, especially after he returned the lamp to her
When the world is united under 1 banner great things can be done...I get his plan but what's the old saying "if your going to make a cake a few egg will be broken" 🤔
The darkest and the most complicated chapter in volume 7. Everyone's moral turns gray and who knows what it would bring... 😟
Love how he says "Panic is enevidable" ignoring ALL the other Kingdoms who are going to suffer because of it. He knows People will get hurt and still takes this plan...not gon spoil anything but...that ain't the way. The next ep Glowup is so worth the watch though ^^
I don't think he's planning to let the other kingdons suffer.
Launch tower > tell Atlas > defend Atlas > Tell the other kingdoms > send the Altas forces to defend them
Whether that plan would work -shrugs-
@@needude7218 Yeah you got it for sure. My understanding from the get-go was always basically "broadcast to 1 kingdom. (starting with his own) Defend said Kingdom. Rinse, repeat, results.
@@undeathghost5627 I see your point but the way he said that it would "Reinstate GLOBAL communications" lets me belive that he was not going Kindom by Kingdom. Considering his "Save Atlas at all cost" attitude he displays in the future, this approach seems the most resonable to assume but you could be right...at least for now
@@WalterWhite-jz7ct To be fair, you can reinstate global communications and then only communicate the Salem thing piece by piece. Like that seems possible. Whether or not that is his intent... Well we'll have to see! (Spoiler free zone)
@@undeathghost5627 Of coure, no spoilers. With anyone else, I may agree but with Ironwood....even team RWBY at one point says he's "Prone to overreaction" so I doubt it was ever his plan to "go easy" on the other Kingdoms, so to say
Oh Mah Gerd! This is where it gets good! The Rollercoaster begins!
I would say Nora is my favourite then Blake
Nora is so great in this volume 🤩
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Yh she really stands out in this one
The whole truth discussion had me wanting to suggest The Expanse to you guys, if you haven’t seen it already. It also fits with RWBY in that it has the most badass female characters. Vote Avasarala-Draper in 2024.
Introducing: Forrest! Fan-favourite supporting character over the next few volumes!
Welcome, to FRWBY!
Supporting character? I would list him as main cast! FRWBY for life!
I forgot this was a thing that happened. XD
Should put up a General Ironwood Sigh Counter.
Kids gotta grow up eventually. Time for politics, kiddos.
Thats not martial law, thats just militaryvacting as police, if they dicted martial law would be even worse. They are not in martial law... Yet.
P.S. Ruby is doing exactly the thing that Ozpin did and was reciminated for: keeping the truth for herself.
And here begins the story of Qrow and his boyfriends 😂
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of RWBY!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks! 😄
It will be just like becon again!
No Penny! No! You'll jinx it!
Great reaction, looking forwards to your next one. =)
To this day I still don’t think it’s a wise idea to volunteer for a plan without at least telling that individual Salem is immortal. He might reconsider the part about telling everyone.
this is the episode where I lost the plot. Two full seasons of "No more lies, no more secrets" they turned on Oz and physically assaulted each other over keeping these secrets. Whats the first thing they do when they get to atlas? Tell the exact same lies in the exact same way, justifying it using the exact same reasons.
And it blows up in their face.
what about reacting to the second castlevaina series nocturne
Going to check that out closer to when the second season comes out 😅
I think this is the farthest RWBY I've ever seen. I don't remember this.
Should definitely watch more. Its very interesting what comes after this point.