They don't know what real mistreatment means. Well it was expected.. they got everything served on a silver platter from the very start so a little difficulty became a big problem for them
They are acting like spoiled rich brats throwing a tantrum because momy and daddy bought them a BLACK Lamborghini when they CLEARLY wanted a RED one...
Thank God for the ppl who have some sense on this situation. It’s just sad this whole ordeal. Hybe/Ador really went soft on them, cause they could have been way harsher to be honest.
I mean…. Just looking at their flimsy complaints, the reasons , proofs, who they defend, the disrespectful and illegal behaviours and attitudes and the recent photos by dispatch…. They are definitely in the wrong .
gosh, bunnies r so dumb and they dont know wts best for their girls. and i see these made rumors everywhere and i cant deal w this. i like these girls talents but im also sad and mad at the fact tht mhj is trying ruin my girls ( lesserafim) reputation too.
Because most of them are young girls, with no business experience. Its really music for a young audience, most mature fans arent to I mpressed with songs like "super shy" . Considered to be a sort of kiddie music in the us.
sorry but this kinda real. i mean, theyre like 20s now and how tf can they not see that MHJ is the villain in this? they're seriously brainwashed. what kind of adult can't see that?
You have to consider they are as bad as their mother. No way in hell their parents doesn't know all the allegations against MHJ. Everyone on their side is just bad people.
Uncle of one member tried to takeover Ador using Davolink company (wifi product company). He will choose as director of Davolink. The major shareholder of Davolink know about it and he think Min Hee Jin betrayed him. It was a complex case with many dirty work.
Man, I really love their music.. Why are they letting themselves be the front-liner shields for MHJ?! I'm sure not all of them are dumb, someone must've thought they are doing this wrong.
my favorite groups, ADYA and Geenius unfortunately don't come from rich families and a rich company like HYBE, and even if they're young, pretty, talented and humble unlike newjeans, they'll forever stay in their shadow...
I was their fan when they debuted but now, I want them sue for all the damages they have caused Ador and Hybe for millions $$ lost, defamation, obstruction of business, breach of contracts, and for tampering of contracts, and for damages for K-pop industry. After Ador sue them for validity of contracts, I hope they will also sue them as a group for everything else and I pray justice will be swift and just.
Do you think if they do cover for mariah carey all I want for Christmas 🎄 song and change lyrics such as : All I want for Christmas is mi hee jin 🤣🤣🤣 I think it will be very good 🤣😅😅😅(joke)
The thing is I don’t think they would be doing any of this if mhj was still ceo so the mistreatment can’t be that bad besides, it was never there main thing the main part was out her back as ceo.
Funny people say I hate HYBE, too..... What did HYBE do With proof not All kpop. PANNCHOA,KOREABOO as your source and not other HYBE artist fans who feel hybe is favoring A more than B as your source either and not kpop stans who feel it should have been JYP,YG and SM only one big club and not the underdog who we collectively don't want as your source A cousin of mine joined kpop( can't say kpop more like a group under HYBE) and she said if HYBE is bad why can't X leave. I asked why do you say they are bad. She said because people say they are. And that's what been driving that HYBE is bad narrative. How many artists in HYBE have released an Album since the year began,Active groups. Most of them if not all are active. A labels priority is thwir artists development,and most HYBE artists been making and releasing music. That should be the artist priority and the label's The HYBE Hate train is a kpop stans thing.And seventeen stans who feel D is more favored than C,when their faves have been making music at their own freedom since joining HYBE,assumin they are artists,that being a priority for hybe is a decent label. I am being reasonable and saying a label is a business and not your faves friend doesn't make you a company stan. But sure let's run with that kpop stans headline.
Yes, there was many slandering to Hybe. SM paid influencer to attack Hybe when Kakao CEO manipulated SM stock price that cause Hybe failed to be the majority of SM shareholder. Kakao CEO arrested by the police. Recently, US court approved subpoenas of 7 youtubers that requested by Hybe. Hybe want to sue them in South Korea.
Mainstream South Korea media hates Hybe. JTBC only got light punishment for made fake news about Suga. It is not their first time for make fake news about BTS. KBS deleted articled because can made disadvantage to Min Hee Jin in the court. There was 2 petition to ask why KBS delete the article.
Omg you actually get it and i love it Some people just close their eyes and ears and only keep repeating what has been told to them without actually taking a second to form their own opinions and views but I love how you have an answer for every excuse these people make to defend their faves
HYBE probably won't invest like that in another group for a while...unless they are under BTS or something....seems like the groups that started out with less turned out to be better humans.
I have no interest in supporting corporations they are business and like any business they are there to make money. They are not foster parents and although I like new jeans music, I find it hard to support the way they are acting, there is room for improvement in kpop industry but really new jeans victims? they made a lot of money due to company investment its a partnership hence contract, but wow I wish people would hurt my feelings by being ignored once, or have to work hard for a couple of million for a few years work, pity they didnt experience your average workers life and pay, compared to theirs. Note!!! -- It has been revealed that ADOR paid out a total of 26.1 billion KRW (~19 million USD) to the members of the girl group NewJeans last year. According to the Financial Supervisory Service's electronic disclosure system on April 24, ADOR's sales last year amounted to 110.3 billion KRW (~80.1 million USD).
it is funny when people said twice built the company from scratch...as if jyp isnt the big 3 when they debut....mamamoo and bts in the other hand do really built the company to be what they are now
@Xiwang希望 jyp was never on the verge of bankruptcy like some narrative say...sure they are on the downward trend...but the big 3 are called the big 3 for a reason....they will not easily fall down just because their artist performance are not as well as they used to be...
02:00 thats the clear irony here all the real victims summon the courage to file a lawsuit have accountability and do it the correct way of getting out if their contract and laying down evidences properly, BUT what did greedy mama snake and her ingrates oldshorts kids do? they are sfraid to file anything in court bec they dont have evidence and they dont have real issues except being spoiled and groomed by their evil mother. they wont file formally in court for injunction to terminate their contract bec they have no leg to stand on and they knoe it will be outright dismissed. they didnt file a plagiarism case to illit bec thy know they dont have a case they just want the noise to deviae peoples attention of the mother snake becoming too greedy and evil. if they really have real reason that Hybe abused them or violated the contract in anyway thy would have chosen that right move in the first place. but they have none so all they do is just do media play and tank hybes market vslue bec they know that a lot of hybe haters and jelous envious kpopers will ride the hate train with them.
newjeans is rlly lucky that they are well liked in Korea, if it was a group that was unknown or hated they would probably be told to suck it up or that they are being dramatic.
Lets be honest here, no one would want to stay inside a company that treats u like trash. HYBE treats their idols like complete trash. NJ is paving a new way and im supporting them.
im on their support however MOST people are upset that they are also choosing to stick with mhj when her behavior is getting exposed, hybe is horrible yet they are sticking up for mhj?? it dont make any sense how they call out hybe but still defend and openly support mhj..
Not when you sign a contract. They are legally not under the same category as employees. They signed a legally binding contract and must follow it unless one of the party breaks the terms in said contact. Idols are investments and no company is willing to just give up an investment just because "they feel like it" . They need to do it in a civil way with actual legal backing instead of announcing what they want to the public every time. If they wanted to terminate their contract they should have had definitive evidence (word of mouth does not count) and an attempt at making a lawsuit. Send ador to court then announce that you will be trying to terminate. Unfortunately, there are very few companies that will treat the girls the way they want. They are business at heart not charities. Even if you think your favorite company is "good" you have no idea what your idols' are going through behind closed doors. Is it wrong? Absolutely. No human deserves to be treated like that. However that's the reality of the situation. What company should they go to then? JYP? Look up Vcha's KG situation. He had idols starve and overworked, much worse than getting ignored. No they aren't paving the way. They just breached the trust between idols and their companies. Companies may have to redo their contracts with even more restrictions to protect themselves if this case happens again. Investors could lose hope in the kpop industry because they fear that their previously thought "safe" choice that would profit for 7 yrs has been cut short and effectivly rug pulled. I would support them if they were doing it for themselves, but they ended up being pawns for their previous CEO.
Nj is paving a new way for what exactly ??? For K-pop grouos to just end contracts when things dont go their way ?? For agencies and companies to stop investing in up and coming groups ?? Making contracts more stricter between idols and agencies, so if there is actual mistreatment, the contract will be impossible to get out of until it's ended ?? The national assembly didn't side with hanni , the courts rejected mhj when she applied for another injuction against hybe to have her reinstated . When the courts receive the original contracts, nj signed with Adore ( because that's what will happen ), we will see who's in the wrong, won't we !!
Oh, I forgot stop making this all about the other artists under hybe . When it gets found out that mhj or one her lackys leaked, that document of social media data collected on public opinion on other groups as well as their own . That will put a stop to that bs !!
No one can beat NewJeans visual, vocal, young innocent look, and popularity, no nor even Hybe's girls, or bts nor any kpop idols(male/female) Because they are the most beautiful girl i've ever seen in my life. They are once in a million years to appear in this earth.
NewJeans i love you no matter what i'll support you. I'm in your side. I'm always praying for you that the court will side of you. It is wise decision that you leave Hybe that are not protecting you & always bullying and ignore you. I believe in you and to your CEO Min Hee Jin. You are the most beautiful kpop idols that i've ever seen in my life. No one can beat you that.
@edgard.alcantara8311 is that just for gg grouos ?? Cause Blackpink twice and aspea !!! are laughing in the corner !! new jeans are the 5th most popular group under hybe, so to say no can beat thier popularity is a stretch at most !!
Hybe is worst in that cause they don’t invest a lot nj and not do any brands deal to them but people say them BTS sister and they thought after bts hybe is going to downfall
Not do any brand deals??? Honey almost every picture I see of the girls they are PROMOTING LUXERY BRANDS and HAVING BRAND DEALS. Such a weird and obviously ignorant lie 😅😂
It's oky for JK to support NJ that is his right. But Armys also have a right to support hybe or any side they feel is right. JK is not the only member in BTS. And yes as Armys we heavily spent money on the guys by supporting them all through until hybe was started. The guys of BTS are shareholders in Hybe so anything wrong that happens to hybe, other BTS members are also losing money as shareholders which makes our efforts as Army's of supporting them all these years go to waste which we can't allow. And all this caused by NJ and Minjine.
you should not blindly support anyone just because someone you like does, thats very childish. think for yourself, new jeans can be wrong and so can hybe
Jk also said don't used them. Njs ungrateful ignore JK's support and upload MHJ hat on pp. Also MHJ claim V chat with her during millitary. One Korean man file lawsuits against V after MHJ claim. Military official prove V didn't used mobile during his duty. Fake MHJ exposed for using v for sympathy
Actually jk did not support nj.. he mainly posted to ask mhj to stop making use of artists which is just a fact. If u are trying to hint that jk will support their entitled, self centred attitude, u are totally wrong.
The definition of lying through your teeth. Stop clinging on to the small attraction you have way before everything gets messier. Little attractions and then bam everyone is supporting the girls?. Please.
Ador and Hybe are stupid. They enabled NJ to act like big shots. Can’t say I feel sorry for Ador being betrayed like those brats. Be smart next time, Ador.
The reason they are acting like this is MH/. I'm also going to include that this is probably how these gals are like anyway. MH/just helped them bring out the worst in them.
They don't know what real mistreatment means. Well it was expected.. they got everything served on a silver platter from the very start so a little difficulty became a big problem for them
if they were under SM, they would know what real mistreatment means...
At this point they are complicit. They are just as bad as their mother.
They are acting like spoiled rich brats throwing a tantrum because momy and daddy bought them a BLACK Lamborghini when they CLEARLY wanted a RED one...
NJ made a big mistake. They lost their credibility. What did they really expect to get? It is really close to arrogance.
Thank God for the ppl who have some sense on this situation. It’s just sad this whole ordeal. Hybe/Ador really went soft on them, cause they could have been way harsher to be honest.
Finally a person that gets it
Behavior like rich arrogant and spoiled children. Just whims.
I mean…. Just looking at their flimsy complaints, the reasons , proofs, who they defend, the disrespectful and illegal behaviours and attitudes and the recent photos by dispatch…. They are definitely in the wrong .
The fans who are supporting them are ridiculous. We armies won't let them to destroy BTS and hybe's hard work and money.
Support BTS only.
Don't supoort the company HYBE...support only BTS
What r u yaping 😂 they can’t even think about bts bruh
JUNGKOOK LITERALLY SUPPORTS NEWJEANS?! Stop defending a huge corporation and bts isn’t even involved
Hybe’s “hard work money” aka the money that broke kpop fans give is all going to israel and soldiers. Have fun
gosh, bunnies r so dumb and they dont know wts best for their girls. and i see these made rumors everywhere and i cant deal w this. i like these girls talents but im also sad and mad at the fact tht mhj is trying ruin my girls ( lesserafim) reputation too.
bunnies are so dumb i cant!! they are really setting up newjeans
@ srsly and I don’t understand how some celebrities still support this!!! Like check the details.
MHJ clever business woman, expert manipulator, clever gaslighter, power and money driven. Those girls never stood a chance.
Because most of them are young girls, with no business experience. Its really music for a young audience, most mature fans arent to I mpressed with songs like "super shy" . Considered to be a sort of kiddie music in the us.
sorry but this kinda real. i mean, theyre like 20s now and how tf can they not see that MHJ is the villain in this? they're seriously brainwashed. what kind of adult can't see that?
You have to consider they are as bad as their mother. No way in hell their parents doesn't know all the allegations against MHJ. Everyone on their side is just bad people.
Uncle of one member tried to takeover Ador using Davolink company (wifi product company). He will choose as director of Davolink. The major shareholder of Davolink know about it and he think Min Hee Jin betrayed him. It was a complex case with many dirty work.
Man, I really love their music.. Why are they letting themselves be the front-liner shields for MHJ?! I'm sure not all of them are dumb, someone must've thought they are doing this wrong.
my favorite groups, ADYA and Geenius unfortunately don't come from rich families and a rich company like HYBE, and even if they're young, pretty, talented and humble unlike newjeans, they'll forever stay in their shadow...
I was their fan when they debuted but now, I want them sue for all the damages they have caused Ador and Hybe for millions $$ lost, defamation, obstruction of business, breach of contracts, and for tampering of contracts, and for damages for K-pop industry. After Ador sue them for validity of contracts, I hope they will also sue them as a group for everything else and I pray justice will be swift and just.
They just want with hee jin
Do you think if they do cover for mariah carey all I want for Christmas 🎄 song and change lyrics such as :
All I want for Christmas is mi hee jin 🤣🤣🤣
I think it will be very good 🤣😅😅😅(joke)
The thing is I don’t think they would be doing any of this if mhj was still ceo so the mistreatment can’t be that bad besides, it was never there main thing the main part was out her back as ceo.
Girl you are sooo right
They are one of the most privileged and spoiled groups so don’t act like a victim that is disgusting 😑
Funny people say I hate HYBE, too..... What did HYBE do
With proof not All kpop. PANNCHOA,KOREABOO as your source and not other HYBE artist fans who feel hybe is favoring A more than B as your source either and not kpop stans who feel it should have been JYP,YG and SM only one big club and not the underdog who we collectively don't want as your source
A cousin of mine joined kpop( can't say kpop more like a group under HYBE) and she said if HYBE is bad why can't X leave. I asked why do you say they are bad. She said because people say they are. And that's what been driving that HYBE is bad narrative. How many artists in HYBE have released an Album since the year began,Active groups. Most of them if not all are active. A labels priority is thwir artists development,and most HYBE artists been making and releasing music. That should be the artist priority and the label's
The HYBE Hate train is a kpop stans thing.And seventeen stans who feel D is more favored than C,when their faves have been making music at their own freedom since joining HYBE,assumin they are artists,that being a priority for hybe is a decent label. I am being reasonable and saying a label is a business and not your faves friend doesn't make you a company stan.
But sure let's run with that kpop stans headline.
This should be the top comment !!!
Yes, there was many slandering to Hybe. SM paid influencer to attack Hybe when Kakao CEO manipulated SM stock price that cause Hybe failed to be the majority of SM shareholder. Kakao CEO arrested by the police. Recently, US court approved subpoenas of 7 youtubers that requested by Hybe. Hybe want to sue them in South Korea.
Mainstream South Korea media hates Hybe. JTBC only got light punishment for made fake news about Suga. It is not their first time for make fake news about BTS. KBS deleted articled because can made disadvantage to Min Hee Jin in the court. There was 2 petition to ask why KBS delete the article.
Omg you actually get it and i love it
Some people just close their eyes and ears and only keep repeating what has been told to them without actually taking a second to form their own opinions and views but I love how you have an answer for every excuse these people make to defend their faves
HYBE probably won't invest like that in another group for a while...unless they are under BTS or something....seems like the groups that started out with less turned out to be better humans.
This is exactly what I have been saying for so long but bunnies seem to be blind and toxic
I have no interest in supporting corporations they are business and like any business they are there to make money. They are not foster parents and although I like new jeans music, I find it hard to support the way they are acting, there is room for improvement in kpop industry but really new jeans victims? they made a lot of money due to company investment its a partnership hence contract, but wow I wish people would hurt my feelings by being ignored once, or have to work hard for a couple of million for a few years work, pity they didnt experience your average workers life and pay, compared to theirs. Note!!! -- It has been revealed that ADOR paid out a total of 26.1 billion KRW (~19 million USD) to the members of the girl group NewJeans last year.
According to the Financial Supervisory Service's electronic disclosure system on April 24, ADOR's sales last year amounted to 110.3 billion KRW (~80.1 million USD).
These essays are so good. Really great take.
Part 3 is available , check it out , Bunnies comments and my response and my take on that also
all i can say is exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gril just said what i wanted to saaayyy
This brings me back when TVXQ split up and the other members were blacklisted......these girls don't know the meaning of bullying.
it is funny when people said twice built the company from scratch...as if jyp isnt the big 3 when they debut....mamamoo and bts in the other hand do really built the company to be what they are now
Do you know that jyp was about to go bankruptcy before debuting twice?
@Xiwang希望 jyp was never on the verge of bankruptcy like some narrative say...sure they are on the downward trend...but the big 3 are called the big 3 for a reason....they will not easily fall down just because their artist performance are not as well as they used to be...
Totally agree
02:00 thats the clear irony here all the real victims summon the courage to file a lawsuit have accountability and do it the correct way of getting out if their contract and laying down evidences properly, BUT what did greedy mama snake and her ingrates oldshorts kids do? they are sfraid to file anything in court bec they dont have evidence and they dont have real issues except being spoiled and groomed by their evil mother. they wont file formally in court for injunction to terminate their contract bec they have no leg to stand on and they knoe it will be outright dismissed. they didnt file a plagiarism case to illit bec thy know they dont have a case they just want the noise to deviae peoples attention of the mother snake becoming too greedy and evil. if they really have real reason that Hybe abused them or violated the contract in anyway thy would have chosen that right move in the first place. but they have none so all they do is just do media play and tank hybes market vslue bec they know that a lot of hybe haters and jelous envious kpopers will ride the hate train with them.
They are brats what they think they are
newjeans is rlly lucky that they are well liked in Korea, if it was a group that was unknown or hated they would probably be told to suck it up or that they are being dramatic.
So true❤
Newjeans are really talented girl group in kpop but they should not run behind the old hag 😅
You are fire.
Newjeans must split from hybe once and for all.......that monster of company was in violation against the contract and never ever benefit NJS
Lets be honest here, no one would want to stay inside a company that treats u like trash. HYBE treats their idols like complete trash. NJ is paving a new way and im supporting them.
From what source is that? Please come with prove and facts
im on their support however MOST people are upset that they are also choosing to stick with mhj when her behavior is getting exposed, hybe is horrible yet they are sticking up for mhj?? it dont make any sense how they call out hybe but still defend and openly support mhj..
Not when you sign a contract. They are legally not under the same category as employees. They signed a legally binding contract and must follow it unless one of the party breaks the terms in said contact. Idols are investments and no company is willing to just give up an investment just because "they feel like it" . They need to do it in a civil way with actual legal backing instead of announcing what they want to the public every time. If they wanted to terminate their contract they should have had definitive evidence (word of mouth does not count) and an attempt at making a lawsuit. Send ador to court then announce that you will be trying to terminate.
Unfortunately, there are very few companies that will treat the girls the way they want. They are business at heart not charities. Even if you think your favorite company is "good" you have no idea what your idols' are going through behind closed doors. Is it wrong? Absolutely. No human deserves to be treated like that. However that's the reality of the situation. What company should they go to then? JYP? Look up Vcha's KG situation. He had idols starve and overworked, much worse than getting ignored.
No they aren't paving the way. They just breached the trust between idols and their companies. Companies may have to redo their contracts with even more restrictions to protect themselves if this case happens again. Investors could lose hope in the kpop industry because they fear that their previously thought "safe" choice that would profit for 7 yrs has been cut short and effectivly rug pulled. I would support them if they were doing it for themselves, but they ended up being pawns for their previous CEO.
Nj is paving a new way for what exactly ??? For K-pop grouos to just end contracts when things dont go their way ?? For agencies and companies to stop investing in up and coming groups ?? Making contracts more stricter between idols and agencies, so if there is actual mistreatment, the contract will be impossible to get out of until it's ended ?? The national assembly didn't side with hanni , the courts rejected mhj when she applied for another injuction against hybe to have her reinstated . When the courts receive the original contracts, nj signed with Adore ( because that's what will happen ), we will see who's in the wrong, won't we !!
Oh, I forgot stop making this all about the other artists under hybe . When it gets found out that mhj or one her lackys leaked, that document of social media data collected on public opinion on other groups as well as their own . That will put a stop to that bs !!
No one can beat NewJeans visual, vocal, young innocent look, and popularity, no nor even Hybe's girls, or bts nor any kpop idols(male/female) Because they are the most beautiful girl i've ever seen in my life. They are once in a million years to appear in this earth.
You are joking right. Is beauty all there is to life. How about common sense and humility .
I am laughing
It’s a shame your life must be that petty, god bless you poor soul!
So your taste is very bad 😂😂😂
NewJeans i love you no matter what i'll support you. I'm in your side. I'm always praying for you that the court will side of you. It is wise decision that you leave Hybe that are not protecting you & always bullying and ignore you. I believe in you and to your CEO Min Hee Jin. You are the most beautiful kpop idols that i've ever seen in my life. No one can beat you that.
😂 someone is talking some shit!! Keep praying
Stay delusional 😂
If Min Hee Jin go to jail, you must companion her in jail 😂😂😂
People who support and defend these evil corporate abusers over a group of talented young women are sick. Period.
New Jeans defend a criminal. I support good people.
No one can beat NewJeans visual, vocal, and popularity.
@edgard.alcantara8311 is that just for gg grouos ?? Cause Blackpink twice and aspea !!! are laughing in the corner !! new jeans are the 5th most popular group under hybe, so to say no can beat thier popularity is a stretch at most !!
What a joke, New Jeans aren't popular outside of Kpop.
Hybe is worst in that cause they don’t invest a lot nj and not do any brands deal to them but people say them BTS sister and they thought after bts hybe is going to downfall
JESUS what are you saying .they got plenty off Brand deals
Not do any brand deals??? Honey almost every picture I see of the girls they are PROMOTING LUXERY BRANDS and HAVING BRAND DEALS. Such a weird and obviously ignorant lie 😅😂
New Jeans got luxury dorm when other Hybe rookie do not. But New Jeans only made 5% of Hybe total profit. Are dumb in math? 😂😂😂
Jungkook supports NJ. Armys need to stop defending hybe especially since they have strong ties with israel soldiers
It's oky for JK to support NJ that is his right. But Armys also have a right to support hybe or any side they feel is right. JK is not the only member in BTS. And yes as Armys we heavily spent money on the guys by supporting them all through until hybe was started. The guys of BTS are shareholders in Hybe so anything wrong that happens to hybe, other BTS members are also losing money as shareholders which makes our efforts as Army's of supporting them all these years go to waste which we can't allow. And all this caused by NJ and Minjine.
you should not blindly support anyone just because someone you like does, thats very childish. think for yourself, new jeans can be wrong and so can hybe
Jk also said don't used them. Njs ungrateful ignore JK's support and upload MHJ hat on pp. Also MHJ claim V chat with her during millitary. One Korean man file lawsuits against V after MHJ claim. Military official prove V didn't used mobile during his duty. Fake MHJ exposed for using v for sympathy
Actually jk did not support nj.. he mainly posted to ask mhj to stop making use of artists which is just a fact. If u are trying to hint that jk will support their entitled, self centred attitude, u are totally wrong.
The definition of lying through your teeth. Stop clinging on to the small attraction you have way before everything gets messier. Little attractions and then bam everyone is supporting the girls?. Please.
Ador and Hybe are stupid. They enabled NJ to act like big shots. Can’t say I feel sorry for Ador being betrayed like those brats. Be smart next time, Ador.
The reason they are acting like this is MH/. I'm also going to include that this is probably how these gals are like anyway. MH/just helped them bring out the worst in them.
They did not know the future, so they cannot imagine that they will betray.