Shabbat for the Noahide: Rabbi Chaim Clorfene
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Chaim Clorfene is the co-author of the highly respected guide for Noahides, The Path of the Righteous Gentile. First published in 1987, it was the book that introduced the Seven Laws of Noah to the English-speaking world and began a movement that has grown exponentially over the past generation. Now, Clorfene is in pre-publication production of the much-awaited, The World of the Ger, a book which he an introduction to the second phase of the Noahide movement.
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Baruch Hashem! I have read this over and over for the past four years after coming out of Xanity. I felt that the words of Torah are true. For me to be able to observe Shabbat as Ger today is a wonderful gift from Hashem! Thank you for the clarification in your sources. I too read some of the sources you mention in this lecture...now I am filled more joy in honoring Hashem with a renewed spirit of joy on my journey to conversion...thank you Rabbi Clorfene!!
Never stop!
I am so grateful i randomly came across this lecture. For 2 months I have been dealing with this argument within myself. I have rejected my previous belief system and found that the only truth and the only 1 true G-d , is learned in Torah, but i had many important folks telling me I could no longer keep Shabbat. I am so grateful that tonight I can sleep well, and i will be back to listen to more of your lectures . thank you Rabbi.
Jesus " is " our SHABBAT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW ANYMORE...…..you are FREE !!!!!....CANNOT you See this?
@@WVSCROUNGER The Jewish messiah ends all wars when he comes. Jesus didn't end any wars. Jesus is one of 100s of false messiahs. Don't feel bad . The Jewish messiah just hasn't come yet.
@@WVSCROUNGER I see a lazy scholar who obviously never read the Torah, has no interest in the truth and wants a G-d that serves man - a scapegoat to heap all one's transgressions on, a "Mary come lately" who believes is entitled to an eternity of joy and abundance as if toiled and yearned to adopt the Will of HaShem all his or her life.
Free will is the decision one makes when tested by the Almighty - either selfless, or selfish. Restrained, or unbridled. Wise, or foolish.
Same here Joseph!! So grateful!💙🙏🇳🇮
@@mariner1358 you sir are under a strong delusion about Jesus Christ Jesus Christ is the true God and only God the savior of the world not the one that's coming because the one that's coming is Antichrist and he's going to come in his own name you are being deceived you need to believe and trust in the true Jesus and if you don't believe that he was true then why don't you call upon his name and ask him to reveal himself to you if you think it isn't so but you're afraid aren't you but if you would then you would find peace in your heart and you would know that Jesus Christ is real I pray 🙏 for you
I am six years late seeing this program, but I am very happy to have come across it on this Sabbath day.
I was born in a Christian home and grew up as a Christian, but became dissatisfied and uncomfortable with the concept of worshipping jesus as god when I realized that is what it amounts to.
My search took me to studying the ' old testament ' and I rediscovered the concept of the Noahide laws and I began to study and adapt its principles and ways.
Thanks be to G-D I have finally found a home for my life and Soul.
that is odd, because the bible says the messiah will be worshiped as God (Dan 7:13-14)
Thank you rabbi for this teaching, we have been keeping Shabbat since 6 years, but found it difficult to grasp when other rabbi said it’s only for Jews, although I was not at all convinced
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
isaiah 56 6
And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord
to minister to him,
to love the name of the Lord,
and to be his servants,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
Joseph R T there are no 7 noahide laws to be found in Torah. And keeping the Sabbath is not even one of the Noahide laws.
+Joseph R T AMEN
Amen & Amen. Beautiful words of life!
@@BertGraef
Read the Genesis
As a Noahide, this cleared up the issue for me. Thank you
He is a heretic Rav you can't trust him.
What do you mean?
Thank you for this teaching, as a Noahide, I have heard much about this subject, and would love to keep Shabbat, now I know, you have explained it so well.
Thank you so much Rabbi for making this clear regarding if a Ger can keep Shabbat. We have been keeping Shabbat for a few years now and it has brought so much Shalom peace into our home! I just want to be sure that I am keeping Shabbat according to what is acceptable to HaShem. I have also stopped worshipping Jesus & now ONLY worship HaShem.
You aren't a ger
This Rabbi Chaim Clorfene is a merciful GODLY MAN, I feel HIS LOVE FOR PEOPLE and not just some people as too many religious leaders including a number of Rabbis.
GOD bless you Rabbi Chaim.
I knew it, I always felt like HaShem has wanted me to rest on Shabbat. To hear it from a Rabbi means a lot, thank you.
Thank you dear Rabbi. As a Noahide Shabbat observance is a major subject of discussion in my community. I personally enjoy going to the local Chabad and worship with my Jewish friends which I consider my family. I study Torah and developing deeper understanding of the laws of Noah. I respect the Shabbat rituals which are reserved for the Jewish people so I too welcome Shabbat and pray for the salvation of the Jewish people. I listen beautiful Hasidic music, study Torah watch RUclips videos like yours and honor the day. It’s very important to me to let Gd know that I understand the 7th day. Thank you 🙏🏻 Really appreciated this shiur.
I try to observe the shabbat in some way even though I am a Noahide since this day is a very holy day in creation. It was a very special day during G-d's works of creation. I also feel it is a very different and special day to normal week days.
A true Niahide is not allowed to keep Jewish Sabbath. A Noahide Sabbath is Sunday. Non -Noahites will have no sabbath.... because they are not worthy of rest... they are considered slaves.
Do your researcb. Read the sub-laws. I have this rabbie's first book.
There is much in Google to find their own writtings. Whether a Jew by conversion, or a Noahide, as long as you are a gentile you are not as worthy a person as a born Jew.
The Seven Noahide Laws are only similar to the laws God gave Noah. The interpretation and additions to that law are all rabbic Judaism based on the Talmud... not the Holy scriptures of Bible.
Beheading is their favorite punishment for those who break their laws... Noahites also fall under those laws.
Do your resesrch!
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@@sheiladale6200
You’re so deceived. You don’t even know what you’re talking about 🙄🙄🙄
@@sheiladale6200 when you implied there is so much information to be found on the subject through GOOGLE, I stopped reading your reply. You sound like a troll trying to discredit both Jew and Noahide - the two that KNOW the true Elohim of the Universe, lovers of HaShem and truth.
Hi, I’ve stumbled across this video on its 7 year and am so grateful to be here and hear this teaching. Thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you for your teaching. Your explanation is so clear, all my questions have been answered. Thank you so much. Your teaching has helped me greatly in my path.
So I'm gathering from having watched numerous netiv videos over the last year, that even Rabbis of Netive disagree on Noachide observance. I have heard it declared unequivically that Noachides can, and also declared Noachides can't, keep Shabbat. May Hashem clearly instruct us soon on the correct opinion, so that we Noachides can do all we can to uphold the Torah and support Israel.
this video explains do much for me because i know Hashem wants me to keep shabat He show me this and it was in a open miraculous way right before i left Christianity. That was over 20 years ago and i have never looked back but i hear a lot of Rabbis say now i am not supposed to be keeping it. I thank you so much Netiv for you amazing work it means alot to me.
Fool
We are not under the law but under GRACE!
@@mkmason2002 no we are not
@@BillFromTheHill100 fools those who still follow a demigod from the grecoroman mitology
@@eugeniocornejo2982 this is threatening to some Christians.
I thought his hat was on until I turned on the video
This is the greatest message I’ve received since I first became a Noahide years ago! You’ve connected all the Torah dots to the reason for the Holy zeal for more of Hashem burning in our Noahide souls!!!
Ishay 56:6. B’H. I’m so positively impressed by You Rab. First time ever, I heard a Rab going further than “optional for bnei Noah”.
Ishay 56:6, says “foreigner’s sons that accepted HaShem”…”everyone that keeps Shabbat”.
It is crystal clear. I know every mitzvah comes from Torah exclusively, yet Ishay is only reinforcing and complementing Shabbat mitzvah.
I had learn, blame my teachers.
Thank you for all you insights and wisdom Rabbi. You are a beautiful soul. May your memory be a blessing to all. You will be missed. 8-19-23.
B'H/This video is wonderful and thank you for sharing such potent empowering information.
I have been a Noahide for many years and my rabbi in my area knows of it. Who are the three that we are supposed to come before to state that we are recognizing Hashem as the One and the 7 Noahide Laws to be properly recognized? Thank you for all that you do! 🙏
This is very interesting and I'll listen to it more than once.
Thanks for the likes, it reminded me to listen again to the Rabbi. Thank you Rabbi. I enjoy, deeply, keeping the Shabbat as a Noahide, and look forward to more videos from you.
Thank you Rabbi for this teaching, it is very helpful
You are very welcome
Vayikra Leviticus 24;כב מִשְׁפַּט אֶחָד יִהְיֶה לָכֶם, כַּגֵּר כָּאֶזְרָח יִהְיֶה: כִּי אֲנִי יְהוָה, אֱלֹהֵיכֶם.
22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for the home-born; for I am the LORD your God.'
The 7th day was taught , given to Adam & Hawwah in gan Eden.
Since the sabbath was given to our ancestors in Gan Eden - it is for everyone. Abraham was a gentile..also Isaac & Jacob & many others.The laws are good according to the Tanakh. Read psalm 119. There is no commandment to light a candle on sabbath. Intimacy with the Creator is based on intention and obedience. There is just one covenant and there are perpetual commandments in it. The original meaning of 'sin' is being lost..on the wrong path.
I am a Karaite and Todah Rabah for your love and wisdom for Noahides!
Amazing explanation, rav. It´s quite a enlightment. Thanks. Shalom.
What a blessing to have found this! Thank you Rabbi!! What a wonderful and detailed lecture.
I love the hat on the shelf perfectly placed behind his head.. epic💯💯
Was in tears when I was told not to keep sabbath. thank you
+Dawn Spallinger That is a Rabbinic creation as anyone can rest on the Shabbath as they want to just as God rested the 7th day. Judaism has it's own dogma and this Rabbi seems like another male religious leaders in their own world. On top of everything it shows such arrogance for Rabbis to even think that this is something they can enforce.
@@alk158 I think enforcement might come after tge Tempke is built and tge Man if Sin is revealed. I suspect the UN or type will enforce but at lical levels tge Noahide courrs will be run by local rabbis.
Christiansxwho do nit deny Jesus will be put to death by beheading. Some Jews,and Muslems are making alignments with each other, and the Pope says the Muslim god, Allah, is the same God that the Jews and Christians worship. Which of course this is not so.
And recently the pope has said something to the effect that it doesnt matter what we believe because we are all God's children.
When you couple this along with the fact that both Shiria Law and Noahide Law uses death by beheading as a punishment for not denying Jesus as Lord, Son of God, diety, etc., you can assertain how these laws will be enforced.
Another interesting point is that Free Masonry upholds the Noahide Laws.
Thank you Rabbi Chaim Clorfene 🌈
I bought his books
I saw great reviews on Amazon
Excited to read them
I know this video is long ago, but I began keeping Shabbat while I was still in the Pentecostal church. I felt convicted in my soul by Hashem to honor His holy day of rest and to keep that day as a day of rest for my family. I continued to keep Shabbat when I became Messianic... and I continued to keep Shabbat when we became Noahides, completely leaving the Christian church behind. Yet, when you read works in the Noahide communities and online forums there is a mixed idea of Shabbat being only for Jews or it being for Noahides as well. Just like keeping the laws of Noah because Hashem has convicted you and commanded you, IF Hashem convicts you to honor Shabbat or even to cover your hair, your honor to Hashem supercedes anything someone else thinks is right or wrong. We don't answer to man, we answer to Hashem.
What a great teaching!
It’s amazing. All is in the Torah.
Thank you rabbi for the beautiful teaching. I believe strongly that we who are being blessed by the word of God need to prepare our loved ones and neighbours for the teaching of the Jews to the nations we have inherited absolute lies and dead images of absolutely no value .
I have a different situation. I am not Jewish, but I committed idolatry first, but I would not consider myself an idolater because I thought I was doing the right thing, and found out that for a few seconds I had done something terrible, and then I spoke to Hashem, and found out just how messed up I was. Hashem told me, "I AM punishing you," which to me meant that there was reason and order to the planet and all I had to do was find it for a lifetime. First I looked to the Christians, but it didn't elevate my soul. Christians did mostly seem like they were good people. I had a Christian upbringing, without selling my soul to Jesus. I can remember my mom saying when I started to study Christianity, "Nobody believes that crap," so I studied and found that I agreed with her, but she still goes to church. I don't, except for 1 day a year to sing Christmas carols, and no I don't believe in the words and try to make that very clear. I have tried Judaism, and I agree with it mostly. I found this video informative. I know it is truth because it sits well with my heart because I know that G-d can forgive any sin, but one He often doesn't is failure to study, according to Tanya. It meant the world to me knowing that there was a G-d out there who actually cared about what I do, and in this case; He had visited me when I was sick. It was as if I was forced into it. Why? What makes me different that I should be pardoned? I have been diagnosed with schizo-affective (it was as if I was in a war, I thought people were dying all the time but they would come back. Later I thought the world had turned to cannibalism, and I saw things while I was hallucinating that G-d told me were assholes, which was a brain with a digestive system on the prowl to eat themselves into a new body. I thought people who walked to the back of the store in the mall would get sucked through tubes that would lead to the food court as meat in the mall), autism (I was professionally tested for auditory comprehension and was in the bottom 1% of people), I also have a very bad milk and milk product allergy which if I have a drop of milk it affects me for 2 weeks even with digestive aides and makes it so I can't even put a sentence together, sleep apnea (I slept 45 minutes the night of the test and had 54 apneas before waking up). I was told that it was as if I got 1hr of sleep a night for many years on end), and anxiety. I wanted to die and would have committed suicide but was to afraid that if I did someone would scrap me up off the pavement and put me back together even worse than I already was. What I had learned is that the punishments Hashem deals in His infinite power, can make one suffer infinitely, but He will take them away upon repentance. My medications alone cost $50,000 a year. I could go on, but I think I made my point. My life was bad. I got confused over what is bad and what it good. Idolatry, I find to be the most hateful thing I have ever done. I moved out of there, and don't even want to go back at all because it sets me off with breakthrough psychosis just driving through that area, as in I won't even drive through that state. By now you might be getting the idea of why I found my way to the Jews. I wanted to be with Holocaust survivors because I felt like we may share a few things in common. With the help of Hashem my doctor tells me that if I "Walked into his office today, he would even know there is something wrong." There is no comparison to a live of worship of Hashem, even if it is only fear and/or awe of His infinite power, because He is G-d, and we have Torah, which is all we need. For the greatness of the way He has rewarded me it makes no sense to me or anyone else to reject Him.
Concerning
God's Sabbath.
It was given to Adam & Eve, one the last day of God's Creation week,
In Genesis Chapter 2 verse 3.
God Almighty gave His Holy Seventh day Sabbath, then for
All Mankind.
No man on earth can claim ownership of God's Holy Sabbath Day, as it is God's sign of His Authority and Rulership over All Humanity.
When God's Sabbath is Remembered and Rest taken to reflect and acknowledge God's Rulership and Kingship or Rulership; it is then that God's Sabbath Day Blessings of resting benefits mankind's ,soul, body and mind.
Having studied Torah & Scriptures for over 60 year's,
I always refer other enquiring persons to The Genesis origins of God's Sabbath , then the Exodus Ten Commandments given to Moses, on the Holy Mountain, to the children of Israel.
I have no know Jewish heritage. In saying that I do respect the Jewish obligation to Torah for The Children of Israel, as God's chosen Nation.
These are just my thoughts, but it seems to me, that it could prove to be beneficial for Jews at some point for as many gentiles as possible to become accustomed to keeping Shabbat as much like the Jews as possible, in case events take place (you never know what might come about, positive, or negative, chas ve shalom) that might facilitate a more comfortable existence for Jews. Sorry, I don't know how to explain it better.
Thanks Rabi for the teaching I saw it very late. Seems to be helpful to us goyim. Baruch Hashem.
Many thanks and blessings.
Good Evening Rabbi it's an honor to see you teach the torah to all. and may Yahweh give Shabbat to all who want peace among us.
I'm Native American and I hope your online teaching goes as planned as I plan to listen this time. As he says brings it to an understanding.. as the light shines so does ones soul.
This Rabbi is lying his teeth out. Jesus exposed this sabbath fraud. The sabbath was not a time of rest but a moment to reflect on oneself and what he or she did wrong in his or her past life. Remember, that, Isaac had gone into the field to meditate. What these European Jews don't mention in the Torah is that Moses had no clear decision as to what to do to a man some men found that they say, was
gathering sticks. This sabbath had no penalty. Read the book of Genesis and Numbers.
@@robertjones6195 :
Jesus is a fraud, he was just a man that failed and years later Paul invented a new religion losing al the original Jesus followers.
Later on, the Gospels were written in line with Paul's teaching.
And Paul was a liar, thete is no Scripture that tells the Messiah had to die for the sin of others and resurrect on the third day.
@@robertjones6195 Jesus changed the Torah. He's a false prophet. Hashem says in Exodus 20 Don't do ANY work on the Sabbath!
Ask Abram...Have a Blessed day.
My family sat the thrown of Scotha for 33 generations in idolatry, we shed the Throne. Now, 11 generations later in America, we Are and do as you convey. The last 5 years have been jaw-dropping, to say the least and what happens before the days of pitch dark I believe Hashem is granting this family the road the wicked cannot walk.
Does NETIV still support this teaching/teacher since it was so completely condemned by the Jewish leaders, ie, Rabbi Moshe Weiner etc? I was led to these teachers (Clorfene and later Katz) by this channel and others. Only to later find that these teachings were often very non-kosher.
I know the direction is correct, and a man of Love is speaking, I hope people will see that and stop yelling due to their opinions, and we must learn to speak reasonably. I see a few who speak disrespectfully and that is the same group who came against a group in Germany, so be careful what we say, for the angel of the Lord May be watching, and if he gets into the spot which is presaged, he will not forgive many a transgression against any children of God. I like how you are commenting Rabbi Clorefene, you will understand my feelings, only if we spoke, and I know people do not like to speak unless they already know others. I agreed with what you said, he may be going to churches, or Synagogues and he is not seen as having any wisdom, because it is much higher than the norm, and G-d almighty has placed these things for him to walk in. The reason he is no where is because people say, "no", right from the hip, so, I'm sure he is in a small chamber surrounded by dogs, I will not say men, because men are men, and dogs are dogs, so, I know you are on the right path. Great work, forgive my other words, words never come out as I would speak them, and I dread typing.. Great JOB! Michael (Who is like God) Louis / Ludwig (Famous Warrior) Portaro Portarius = Gatekeepr (38 occurrences for that family line) Nehemiah 12:44, That must be the prince line who will be at the gate, and if the world wont do it, that means only God is brave enough to bring him. I will pray for the success of the Book, Devoarh is christian and she also saw the value. So, we are learning together. Peace to You Rabbi Clorfene. Looking forward to this coming Jubilee.
To keep the Shabbat was a comand to Adam, so to every human. Did Noah keeped the Shabbat? I think yes, he did...
CASE IN POINT: Torah was specifically given to the children of Israel as Abba prophesied to Abraham 430 years before the israelites entered Egypt. After the exile of Egypt, Gd gave the Torah to Moses to make a covenant with "Israel" alone, however WHOEVER joined Israel as resident alien or foreigner was mandated to keep such Laws. During the time when Israel became a nation, the resident aliens ( non Jews) and foreigners who became part of the commonwealth of Israel were also mandated to keep Torah just like native Israelite. Otherwise, they will pay the penalty of death if they break any Law in Torah. So, what is the difference now? NONE. Stop twisting the Torah or Tanakh trying to find an angle to fit your lifestyle or belief. Israel has been prophesied to be the light of the nations and who whoever righteous gentile Abba will bring in must obey the Torah. If a gentile thinks that they can become the light to the nations or be a light to themselves is completely a "wrong direction" just like the Christians decided to become the light to the nation opposing Abba's purpose. They took the wrong door by twisting the the Scripture to make it fit to their religion with a theology replacement of "spiritual Israel. The creator never said "i will make a covenant with Israel and another covenant with the gentiles" ?. Nope. The Messiah is coming to confirm the covenant given to the children of Israel and to fulfill the purpose of Hashem forever. No more waiting and whoever stays out is out for good. Do not be deceived what Rabbis say or teach. Read the word yourself and make a decision of what is the truth. Otherwise you won't make it to the Messianic age when Israel is fully restored. I am a Jew myself by birth and I don't believe in men but in the word of Hashem alone.
B/h Great class Rabbi , very helpful to understand , Thank You ..Good Tidings
The wisdom of this teaching shines like the sun.
Noahides are allowed to keep Shabbat but Idol-worshippers are forbidden.
One more time when translations into moder languages don't render thr actual meaning.
Thanks dear Rabbi for your explanations!
So idal worshippers must work 7 days per week???? For whom????
Thank you very much
Are we the ones cut off from our kin For past sins, back once more for the Redemption?
Shallom Rabbi! 😃
This has always been my view but I have rabbi mizrachi. Yaron Reuben,Alon anava,. Saying it's stealing from the Jew and not to. Rabbi mizrachi is my rabbi because he interprets everything with my view except for this. Thank you for this
GREAT AND AMAZING
Our local Rabbi said we could keep the Shabbat but not like the Jew.
Thank you for this lecture...now I understand a lot more
Ok, so if the Jew is giving non-kosher meat to the ger, that doesn't mean meat designated in Leviticus as unclean, right? Because a Jew wouldn't even have pork or other biblically designated unclean animal (per Leviticus 11, isn't it?) in his possession, is that correct? Non-kosher in this context is referring to other kosher laws such as slaughtering practices, how the animal died, etc. Am I understanding that correctly?
You are correct. This is speaking about otherwise kosher meat that has been determined non-kosher because of it being contaminated or slaughtered wrong.
Did you mean to have it look like you're wearing the hat?
no, it comically came out like that.
One Torah for all read the text
Thank you !
How could the Noahide hear Moses being read unless he could enter the Synagogue on Shabbat?
Rabbi, thank you for clarifying this.
This is something that has always confused me. A rest day to me is a day to do what I find relaxing. But it has always seemed to me that the definition of resting on the sabbath is so narrow that it would exclude the things I enjoy.
Granny Kim -
The person who will set aside his own business to honor God on the Shabbat will not be lacking in joy. Hobbies and interests are set aside for the day to learn from the Torah, to wear special clothes and to enjoy special meals with family and friends.
@@72Yonatan except you can't cook on the day. Can't carry on the day. Can't sew. Can't garden.
Like i said its a Very narrow definition .
I would find no joy in it
thanks for the shiur!
who is this Clorrene guy?
Hallo Rabbi, I need to buy your book, The path of a righteous Gentile, where can I search. Thank you kindly
@@nicolinevaneeden8088 Hi, Nicoline. You can get it online on amazon.com Here is the link. www.amazon.com/Path-Righteous-Gentile-Practical-Guide/dp/1533699550/ref=sr_1_4?crid=44W340EX3NSY&dchild=1&keywords=the+path+of+the+righteous+gentile&qid=1599737301&sprefix=the+pathof+the+right%2Caps%2C361&sr=8-4 Have a good year.
There were many extra mitzvot like brit millah, gid hanashe , and even teffelin.
why is there no record of the Jews ,or any other nation for that matter, not practicing your claimed universal Noahide commandments ,before they received The Law from Mt Sinai?
go backtosleep.
where do you want it recorded? very few kept it.
Love this Rabbi, very clear and with evidence. To me noahide code is too lax. Hasem's laws are awesome!
Can I exercise on the Sabath, walking, running, using weights?
Who was the first keeper of Shabbat?.... Hashem... when He rested after the first six days of Creation! This consciousness had to be built into Creation, into the Earth, and into the very dna of Adam!
They didn't keep the Shabbat with all the strict laws until the converting at Mt. Sinia.
Love the joke about the pulses, Rabbi. Your lectures are brilliant...soo much wonderful knowledge given to us with a bit of humor. Thank you.
+Ithila
Here is what the ***"Wisest Man in History" King Solomon*** has to say about the teachings of men & rabbis!::
“It is ***better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man*** (RABBIs included!) .” -Psalm 118:8
"Every word of God has been proven true. He is a safe-covering to those who trust in Him. 6 ***Do not add to His words (Talmud, Oral Law, Rabbinic Commentaries, Zohar, etc...)***, or He will speak strong words to you and prove you to be a liar. -Proverbs 30:5
No offense, but I don't think this fellow with the white beard is wiser than King Solomon. lol.
38:09 what does he say there? What is one of the tents of Shem? I can't make out the word.
God, HaShem, which is Assyrian and means: He who cannot be named because His name is One, chose the Assyrian Noah and his family as his own people and made a covenant with them.
When Abraham emigrated from Assyria, he took with him the Ark of the Covenant, which contained the covenant and many other Assyrian writings such as the creation story Enuma Elish, genealogical records and royal records which were written in Assyrian, Ktav Ashurit, which is today's Hebrew. The bottom line is that the Assyrians are the first Noahides and the founders of later Judaism. As a curiosity, it can be mentioned that Jakob was called Ezrael, the one who wrestles with HaShem, and not Israel.
Interpreting the edict of the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 on the basis of the much
later Noachide laws is both anachronistic and a misunderstanding of the function of
the Noachide laws in the post-destruction, emerging rabbinic Judaisms. For not only
did the formulation of the Noachide Laws await the post-destruction era, but even
when they were tormulated within the rabbinic theology of the much later centuries,
no they alla not function as a separate body of laws given to Gentiles as a means of
«che a attaining a rightepus status, nor even as an actual code of ethics for Gentiles. It is
or Wrong, then, to conclude that the Jerusalem council gave the gentile believers a
minimal list of commandments, exempting them from the full expression of God's will
in the Torah.
Tim Hegg, "Do the Seven go to Heaven" p.20
Jewish hv authority over the Noah gentiles. The gentile must obey the Jewish.
I'm wrong?
Was he wearing that black hat?
Religion is hard,God is easy.
apparently they deleted my post questioning the Sabbath being on a Saturday according to the Roman calendar instead of God's Calendar where the days were simply numbered,
How do you mean 'Roman calendar' when the week played (and plays) no part in the Roman calendar? May I also point out that there is no recorded break in the week from antiquity till today.
@@johnleake5657 As I understand it, the Hebrew calendar did not use the names of planets. The days were numbered and due to the holy days and how they were set, there was rotation through the years.
@@stephenmartin2409 maybe you dont understand it... the jews counted 7 days and Never lost track
Why isn't this represented in jewish law? And as long as it isn't, can I act on it?
As a Christian, if I profess to a Jew, "Praise [name of Hashem], Jesus Christ is the son of [name of Hashem]" would that go against the Noahide law of blaspheme and be subject to the Leviticus law where I should be put to death? I mean no disrespect, rather clear understanding.
Luke Wilbur this is a wicked religion of antichrist. 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 7. No Noahide laws exist in Torah. This Noahide nonsense is intended to deceive , that's all. Fake as can be and utterly corrupt and a filthy lie. Try finding the 7 Noahide laws in Torah. These people are just lying, like their real Father, father of lies. John 8:44. They refuse to tell me where these 7 Noahide laws are found in Torah. That should be a realwake up call.
Hey Bert. First, thanks for responding. I was watching this weeks episode of A.D. on NBC and was thinking about this topic. Do you think the Apostles gave Noahide laws to Paul for gentiles like us to follow? (Acts 15:1-31
No, Noahidism is an evil invented religion of the rabbis which makes those who follow Jesus, "idolaters". Jesus is an idol according to them. This is a very wicked and blasphemous cult that these Jews who hate and deny Christ want to drag people into. The Apostles never gave these 7 laws to the gentiles.
I understand that Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. I am stating that the Noahide law is similar to what the Apostles considered important for Gentiles to follow.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules:
15:29 that you abstain from meat that has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well.
Luke Wilbur No ,its not similar. The cardinal Noahide law is abstention from idolatry. And Judaism claims Jesus is an idol , and they actually are the "suffering servant" of Isiaiah 53 and Christians are therefore idolaters. It is not in any way shape or form , the message preached by the Apostles to the gentiles, for they preached Christ first, and a belief in Him, and these three rules . Noahidism is a total lie and Talmudic invention and antichristianity.
43:15 "we call the catholic church..." what is the word he says at the end? i cannot hear it even at MAXIMUM VOLUME
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If someone keeps Shabbat but you say he can't does he still keep Shabbat?
no. he is just doing nothing. it is not a holy act.
They have no obligation ’
Noah knew about clean and unclean animals...so is eating clean part of Noahide laws?
No.
That’s a really good point.
interesting but that is not the only argument made for this opinion. IF that alone was the only piece of evidence then it would be a weak argument.
Why did you skip over Ex 16:28? "And HaShem said to Mosheh, “How long shall you refuse to guard My mitzvot and My Torot?"
Is death the only penalty under Noahidenations Law?
Is idolatry refers only to worshiping man wood or stone!
What does Asmakhtā mean? It appears that this method was used for creating the Noahide laws from this verse. Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. Blessings.
Asmachta means proof or support. When a Torah scholar offers an innovative idea, he looks for a support teaching from one of the prophets or sages. That support teaching is an asmachta. It does not give conclusive proof, but strengthens the validity of the innovative idea.
Toda Rabbi Clorfene. I appreciate the clarification. Can you also explain the term Agādās.
@@TheShaarster no that is incorrect. asmachta is a hint that does not contain biblical authority. it is not that it doesnt "prove it" but rather that it conceptually does not even aim to reach biblical authority. this was done for either rabbinic decrees or for traditional laws.
Noachide concept is a starting point for the nations. The goal is to grow in torah and graft in 100% to become fully a Jew (praiser of HaShem(Yehudah)Judah. Think Ruth.
You don't have to be a Jew to praise God.
Salvation has nothing to do with ethnicity
@@tammyhicks703 what do you need to be saved from?
This video really effects me because of my journey of faith. I'm 56 years old. I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. Later, I became a Pentecostal Holiness Christian but after 8 years and graduating from a Bible school, I just couldn't be Pentecostal of Evangelical anymore, so I went back to the Roman Catholic Church, but that only made things worse. If I didn't have so many misconceptions about the Talmud at the time, I would have investigated Orthodox Judaism, but I did investigate Karaite Judaism and Islam because I couldn't believe in the Trinity, Deity of Christ, and the atonement anymore. Reading a Jewish translation of the Tanakh really destroyed my faith in Christianity. I was not opposed to Rabbis, and I did read Rabbi Hyam Jaccoby's book Paul and the Invention of Christianity, which also effected me. The Quran translation I read was a pleasant surprise, because the Quran was much different than I had imagined it. However, I did not like the Caliphate on the whole because I don't like Imperialism. I read about 12er Shia Islam, which presented a much more reasonable view of Islam for me, as the Imams after the murder of the 3rd Imam did not seek political power and I have never been very political. I drifted to the non-political wing of the movement.
The problem came when I began reading books by Orthodox Jews after becoming a Muslim. I could see that I had lots of misconceptions about the Talmud and other things. Earlier this year, after watching videos on Jewish History and Biography by Dr. Henry Abramson, and I realized I had to become more knowledgeable about Orthodox Judaism and so I bought a used artcscroll Chumash and a new artscroll siddur and tanakh, and a couple hundred dollars worth of other books, include the Mishneh Torah. The nearest synagogue at 45 minutes away just happened to be Chabad-Lubavitcher. I told my story to the Rabbi, a very nice man, and said because my wife is Roman Catholic we wouldn't be able to convert to Judaism anyway, but we could be Noachides. So, I looked at what various Orthodox Rabbis had to say about Noachides, and purchased a copy of The Path of the Righteous Gentile.
Now, I've discovered that different Orthodox Rabbis have to say about Noachides. Rabbi Tovia Singer, an Orthodox Rabbi, says that Muslims, Sunni and Shia, are Noachides. so do some others. Then there are Orthodox Rabbis who have other views. The Quranic verses quoted on anti-Muslim websites that pretend all Muslims are like Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and that all Muslims hate Israel, also quote the Quran and the 6 later "Authetic" Sunni books of Traditions that appeared after 3 of the 4 original Sunni schools appeared to declare that Muslims can steal from a non-Muslim at will. I know that ISIS and Al-Qaeda and others do that, but they aren't even true Sunnis. I don't have access to Sunni commentaries on the Quran, but I do have 12er Shia Muslim commentaries on the Quran, and books on Jafari School Jurisprudence.
There is no way I can just walk into a non-Muslim's home and steal something. I am born and bred American citizen and by Jafari jurisprudence I must obey the laws of the country where I am a citizen. If I go to another country on a passport or visa, I must obey their laws, also. Whatever one might think of the Iranian hardliners, which are effected by British, Soviet, and American Imperialism, Muslims in Iran don't walk into Christian homes and just steal things.
As far as Zionism is concerned, I'm neither a Zionist nor a non-Zionist. Modern Israel is a secular state so I don't expect its government to be perfect. I never liked Hamas or the PLO. They set a bad example for other Palestinians. They should have accepted the UN conditions. Some of the things the IDF does may not be the best, but it wouldn't happen if they really worked for peace. I do care about Palestinians, too. Yet, I do not oppose a Jewish state.
But now, I'm not sure what to do. I will have to talk to the Rabbi and see where Chabad Lubavitchers stand on Muslims. I really like this Rabbi and I hope I don't have to find a different synagogue. My plan is still to learn more about Orthodox Judaism. I'm looking for a win-win situation either way. However, the 20th and 21st centuries are certainly NOT the best time for Orthodox Jewish/12er Shia Muslim friendship. I'm still going to study the Mishnah Torah and learn more about the Noachide Laws. Shema Yisrael, Hashem Eloheinu, Hashem Echad. Qul hoo Allahu ahad, Allahu Samad ....
That is a very long comment, but I think the bottom line is that there will not be two kingdoms. There will be one and so if you do not learn to live by the constitution, you will not exist. If the Jews were given the Torah first, why do you insist that you want to keep hold of a later man made construction. You state that if you were in another country you would obey their laws??? Then if you want to be part of the Holy nation, you cannot hold to the unholy. I am sorry, but I think that you have identified that you do have other gods before Hashem. You need to think about this carefully. What is the hesitation, you were prepared to leave everything else. Why in the light of what is happening would you want to embrace a violent ideology yet maintain that you are a child of the true God?
Railroad Reg are you a Rabbi? If you are, I would pay more attention to your observation than if you are not. Allah and Elohah are the same G-d as far as Orthodox Jews are concerned, even those who would say considering Muhammad a Prophet puts one outside Bnai Noach. It is some Trinitarian Christians including some Evangelical Christians scholars such as Dr. James White who does not hate Muslims but Evangelizes in love who say Jews and Muslims worship a different God because they do not worship the Trinity. Thus, I want to know where you say I worship a god or gods other than Hashem? That would be a new one from an Orthodox Rabbi for me. An Orthodox Jew is allowed to pray in a Mosque, but not a Church. Now, a Messianic Jew who misunderstands the classic agreement that both Jews and Muslims worship the same G-d and says Allah is a false God might accuse me of worshipping another.
Raliroad Reg if you would identify if you are an Orthodox Jew or a Karaite or a Messianic Jew, and if you are a Rabbi, Rabbinical student, or laymen, that would be of help.
Philip Voerding I was not actually referring to you worshipping Allah as such, I cannot understand that, however yes, christians are idol worshippers. I am referring to the instances in the Koran where you are directed to use deceit. I have a real issue with that. If God's children must be pure, surely then using the same tools as what was used in the garden could not be acceptable by God. Unless, we are allowed to be deceitful. But I Don't think so. A lie is a lie is a lie, sexual sin is sexual sin and the Islamic prophet was both a liar and a sexual pervert. So, I just can't understand why when you have a better option, you do not leave an overlay and go back to the ultimate truth. Just saying. It is kind of a self sabotage when you are aiming for purity. To have that little deceit tucked away inside your heart for a just in case moment. You know, just in case you need to convert someone to Islam. But in truth, you are born into Islam and you are born into Jewry. You are distant cousins, but one of you had to come first. I believe Jacob received the blessing. I am studying but I am not a Rabbi. So I guess you won't listen to me. If you are a 95% person, surely just that little bit extra.
Railroad Reg, the misconceptions you mentioned in your latest post usually come from anti-Muslim books, not from Jewish authors I read. The "Muhammad was a pervert" lie comes from Sunni hadith books. Various Sahih hadith in Sunni books place the age of the Aishah at the consumation of the marriage anywhere from 9 years old to 18, with most of them stating she was between 13 and 15. All of these traditions are considered Sahih by the Sunni compilers, but these compilations appeared AFTER 3 of the 4 Sunni schools of jurisprudence appeared. Many of my Sunni friends go with the "18" or the "15" traditions. Taliban, Saudis, and other Wahabis have no problem with the "9 year old" traditions. They believe Shia Muslims are worse than Jews and Christians and are trying to exterminate Shias in some Middle Eastern countries, like Yemen.
12er Shia Muslim sources place Aisha's age at between 18 and 24. The one that makes most sense to me is 19, from my educated laymen's evaluation of the sources. Sunnis and Shias also differ on the age difference between Muhammad and his first wife Khadija when they married. Shias say they were about the same age. Sunnis says he was younger than her. Nothing wrong with marrying older, but the Sunni histories were written in the time of the Abbasid Caliphate.
As for telling lies, who knows what are in later Sunni and Wahabi Quran commentaries, but the only thing that comes to mind is Taqiyya. Taqiyya works like this for a Shia Muslim: if my life or my families life were in danger, or if I couldn't get a job for simply being a Muslim and no other reason, then I can hide my Muslim practice. Of course, I have a right as a law-abiding American practice my Shia Muslim faith and work a job. There is no reason for me to practice Taqiyya in the USA according to Quran or our 12er Shia (Jafari) school of jurisprudence.
I have an acquaintance who went Traditionalist Catholic few years before I became a Muslim. He is pro-Trump. Because I couldn't vote for either candidate, on my facebook account I posted news articles adding my reasons beforehand why Americans should vote Libertarian Party. which I have voted since 2004 in presidential Americans. In other elections I usually vote Libertarian or Republican. This educated man
accused me of being both a Marxist crusader and Muslim doing taqqiya (for saying Jill Stein was more honest than Hillary Clinton and because I am a Muslim, so I must being doing taqiyya somehow). Besides the fact that Marxism and Jihadi Wahabism are warring ideologies, I tried to reason with my old friend that there is no reason to do Taqiyya in the USA. He countered that Jihadists do it all the time. But, I'm not Al-Qaeda or ISIS pretending to me a normal Sunni Muslim so I can join the Iraqi army and give up when either Al-Qaeda or ISIS attacks my cities. I'm a Shia Muslim who would be murdered in a second by them. Also, i kept ranting all year about how Obama and Clinton chose the military option for Syria, creating millions of Refugees (as yes, I think Jihadists hide with true refugees), and getting Saudi and Al-Qaeda affiliates as allies? If anyone is doing Taqqiya, it sure ain't me.
You just read the books or heard the lectures, so you are not who I'm upset with. Those who try to pass off Salafi and Wahabi Sharia, which appeared much later, as the ideology of all Muslims from the beginning, including by spinning Quranic passages in translations good Sunnis and Shias would never use are not making the world any better. I wish there was a way decent law-abiding Muslims could do some kind of class-action suit against those kinds of writers and their publishing houses, but that might go against the guarantee of Freedom of Speech, and I don't want that. But, the Robert Spencers and Michelle Gellars and Bill Warners of this world who want to get Islam declared not a religion in the USA and spread misinformation about all Muslims as if a religion of more than a billion can somehow be monolithic so far has gone nowhere in the courts. How are they making the world better place?
Please forgive another long comment.
Philip Voerding Regardless of whether she was 6 when he married her or whether he kept her a 'virgin' till she was 'a woman' is immaterial. He had this little girl and molested her childhood. Disqualification. I just don't understand why you think you have to follow an overlay. You were given the truth. Truth is truth, anything else is a compromise.
Those who forbid Noachides to perform Sabbath, under the pretext it is a Decalogue command given to Israel and not to all, may also forbid them to obey the Decalogue command against false witnesses and lies, which was also passed with Israel, and therefore command them non-Israelite Noachides to lie and heed lies. That's the proof that doctrine about Noachides is bunk. Same thing for respect to parents and authorities which is not mentioned in Noachide laws. I suspect there is a hidden ambition to have rebellious and mendacious people at one's service.
Do the men help their wives with the infants, the sick, or the elderly on Sabbath? When do the married women with families get their rest?
To Save a Life always takes precedence "to the best of my understanding,..." eating suffering can fall under to save a life,...no?
The Muslim who idolized to kill is that not idolatry?
Your Moshee can't come, because there is no temple. Micah 5:2. Good luck with that. Good luck with your genealogies also, and trying to figure out if the next claimant has the correct pedigree.
the jews have pedigrees and genealogies
A Muslim is not permitted to steal from a non Muslim. Muhammad said he would be the advocate of the non Muslim who was wronged by a Muslim on the day of judgment.
Muhammad himself took war booty. That’s theft by definition.
If you are a Noahide comment shalom and your state: 👇
Shalom from Idaho
So if resting on a saturday is keeping the shabbat, and if a christian is an 'idol worshipper' , they would be sentenced to death for resting on a saturday? or just not allowed to rest on a saturday?
Keeping Shabbat is not about rest. Nothing prohibits a non-Jew from resting on Shabbat. The non-jew who is an idolater profains the shabbat if he or she attempts to observe it as a Jew.
@@NetivOnline And the ultimate punishment for being a Christian is beheading. It's more about a belief than keeping Sabbath. You know that, too.
I purchased his back 18 years ago. Now that I am a little older and out there in the world (I went to a Jewish day school growing up) I have to say the bible never mentions a covenant with Noah so why should anyone follow this. All that is mentioned is that God promises not to create a great flood again. But worse then this the book claims that a non-Jew if he steals anything for example $5 he deserves the death penalty. This makes no sense and this is a creation by Rabbis to make punishment harsher for non-Jews simply because God gave us Jews a difficult covenant to follow.
***** You are correct! What I meant to say was that there wasn't a covenant with Noah like there was with the Jews. The covenant made here with Noah was to not create another great flood. There is NO COVEANANT of God giving 7 laws they should follow. No law is being given here. Only that God is promising not to create another great flood. So again. Why should anyone listen to some Jewish male religious leader who claims God gave to Noah 7 laws where there is no evidence in the bible of this. People should question and not just believe someone who claims God said something when there is no evidence this was said. And worse this male religious leader claims that the only punishment given in a "Noahide" court is the death penalty. That is crazy. For stealing you get the death penalty. While if a Jew he doesn't get the death penalty. It is absurd and I think it is Rabbis making up their own rules because the Jewish covenant is difficult so punish Non-Jews harsher to make up for this this isn't right and the Five Books of Moses mention none of this.
***** Genesis 9:11 I will maintain my covenant with you never again shall all be flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth. Nothing here about 7 laws. Thanks for commenting.
***** The problem is some of these passages you quote were not said to Noah when God made this covenant with Noah. So it was known before Noah.
The most troubling item by far though is in Chapter 9 where God was speaking to Noah God said to Noah Be Fruitful and Multiply. Genesis 9:1. Yet that isn't even considered one of the commands to those who are the decedents of Noah according to the Rabbis.
Which Jews have been suffering especially in the USA with very low birth rates and yet our so called religious leaders don't care that others have healthy birth rates so it is almost a fitting punishment.
The other issue is the covenant made to Noah was not to cause another flood. Before this he did then instruct Noah and his decedents not to eat from a live animal and also that a man who sheds the blood of a fellow man should suffer a similar fate. Some of the laws though were before Noah which was why his generation was punished because they knew it was wrong.
+Adam K 6 of the 7 laws were given to Adam
Adam K what i know searched its a Talmudic law