Paul without the loot: “Timers are terrible. Boo!!!” Paul with the loot: “Timers are not that bad” Lol Everyone else without a fireteam thinking this was doable with matchmaking: “Wow. This is why there’s no Raid matchmaking”
Imagine how much cooler this mission would have been if we had no prior knowledge of it and it didn't involve any fishing to start it. Really would've captured the feeling of the original black spindle mission
@Sketch_MGetch yeah that part's true but even if we knew about the exotic, they could've not done any of the fishing part of the quest and just made the statues appear the day of the exotic so we wouldn't know exactly how to activate it. Then at least the mission would've been a much cooler secret
The scout is not trash in gms. Works pretty well in the corrupted gm as it stuns unstop and overload. The slow and freeze effects are quite good in this gm.
I'm guessing this was the intention for basically requiring a coordinated team to complete the mission. If you don't have that, then you probably aren't doing GMs anyways so not missing much.
We waited weeks for this weapon and now it seems even the catalyst is timegated. The best part is, tje gated catalyst will only let the magazin overflow, thats it...
The boss encounter is straight up aids. Literally everything slows you to a point that you can barely move and the tormentor is way too mobile, does way too much damage and also slows you. Add on to that it suppresses all of your abilities, it’s genuinely the worst mission added in a long time.
Correction: There ARE Stasis shields, in fact the Taken Centurions in that very mission have them. It’s just kinda hard to tell between Arc and Stasis.
It takes 3 crits to activate the buff, and 4 shots with the buff to freeze anything. Thats amazing on a ling range primary. The built in stasis shard generation is also amazing, freeing up entire aspect slots. The only thing i think is missing on this weapon is Collective Action to help with the damage. Other than that this gun is great and certainly not horrific.
Depends on how much it overflows... Remember people thought osteo striga's exotic was going to be bad and then it turned a 27 round mag into a 140 round mag.... If that 15 becomes 70 imagine all the freezing you could do...
Toss in Whisper of Rending for the damage you just have to freeze them first. With the right stasis build everything should be slow or frozen like all the time and so long as you dont let the weapons active buff fall off you dont have to hit the same target with all shots to get it going. So you can even kill 3 red bars all with precision hits and then the next target hit should be slowed. Same goes for the freeze but they do have to be slowed first. So slowing grenades may be a thing to try with this.
It’s such an aggressively average weapon when Stasis already has amazing weapons in similar categories. Agers, chill clip fusions, etc. And if you’re on stasis headstone weapons, any weapon with collective action, etc. also excel. The whole it deals with multiple champions is a moot point when any chill clip fusion could do the same for less effort and there are already a million and a half ways to deal with champs right now.
Bungie is so scared of making new exotics powerful anymore. I feel like I’ve been using the same exotics for years now because anything new isn’t as powerful.
This gun definitely has a place in higher end content, in lower end it just feels like any other legendary scout rifle. But that's fine by me, more options is always nice.
How does the gun have a place in higher content? Literally the only thing the gun can be used for is to stun overloads and even then it’s garbage at it. If I see someone running this gun in my fire team for GMs then I’m sorry but they are getting kicked lol
@@JA-kr1lzrun it with any radiant buffs and then it can handle all three champs. It can slow AND freeze. Leaves your special and heavy up for build crafting. Its got its place. Just for people who are more creative than “boot at a glance”
@@JA-kr1lz Wow if someone kicked me for running this gun they would be saving me 15 mins because they are obviously toxic and probably not very good. Can deal with all 3 champs if you build around it properly and has good synergy with stasis builds.
@@matbro95agreed I’ll only kick someone if they are running something hideously bad for a GM if me and a teammate can carry our weight stun and communicate it’s all good with me
@@gavinhendricks8689 sorry I did not realise it also freezes but my opinion still stands. I’d rather have an arbelist/wishender which can insta stun a barrier, divinity/le monarque for any overloads and suspend for any unstop. The scout rifle might be able to stun all 3 champs but it does it very poorly on all of them. I guarantee if you use that gun in GMs, you are purposefully making it harder and longer for yourself
I like it a lot. It does work on barriers, but Stasis will shatter. It will work on Overloads and Unstoppables. Primaries that are workhorses or a tool with a thousand uses are the only ones I use. Anything from Wish-Ender, Final Warning, Le Monarch, to Quicksilver Storm excels at their jobs.
@@sorvetedefeijoada158 I get it, and I think the issue comes from the current state of Stasis. It works on all champions but is somewhat harder to execute whereas with Strand, Suspend doesn't work on Overloads but keeps you both safe and able to attack champions. It's mostly Behemoth Titan and Shadebinder Warlock that's good.
@sorvetedefeijoada158 that's such a stupid comment. It's a terrible exotic. Literally any weapon with chill clip beats this. Riptide is 100x better and doesn't waste an exotic slot. People are dissatisfied because the exotic is dog shit. That's justified.
@@FlashesSoccer011 Special weapons have an ammo cost. That's what is being ignored here. I can freeze Unstoppables and Slow Overloads for the price of nothing. You can swap to a special or heavy weapon to clean up. It's a tool with multiple uses and build synergy.
Been using this with stasis lock in gm’s. It shines in the hardest content where you have to play from afar, since a.) its a scout rifle and b.) the stasis shards it creates have nigh limitless range of tracking, which means that you can proc elemental charge from a distance with no risk whatsoever
The scout is meant for master/GM level content, think akin to Kinetic Tremors. KT is useless in legend and lower content since enemies just die, same with this, it's a good option when all the enemies are tanky. Also since using exotic primaries seems to be a good play lately in higher content, we don't have many Exotic top slot scouts, most are pvp options. DMT is okay and I am not using Jade Rabbit or mida in a GM.
@FlashesSoccer011 Dude stop replying to every comment you disagree with and calling people stupid for thinking different from you. Regardless of whether the stance you’re holding is correct or not, it’s a pathetic look. Find something better to do with your life besides putting people down.
@@fyrusgrey5153truth hurts huh? Gun is worst than Riptide in every place and waste a exotic slot. Also we are talking about endgame content so ANYBODY should expect you to use the most effective loadouts there. Stop with this snowflake bs
I got 3 of the new exotic fish in like 15 minutes yesterday all at one pool and then managed the mission for the weapon in 2 attempts with LFG just due to time running out just before finishing off the boss on the first attempt. Try the weapon with slowing grenades and anything that procs when you collect a stasis shard or that can freeze. I think this weapon is meant to be used with the stasis kit and not to be taken by itself, and that does not mean just run it while stasis. Iceflare Bolts to spread freeze, Whisper of Rending so it does more damage to crystals and frozen targets, stasis shards from any source reload the weapon, stasis shards are attracted to you from about 4m away without having to take a fragment for it. Though yes it does not bring much for being an exotic and not letting you take something better. I would say if you want an exotic primary for stasis though just go with Verglas Curve. However, most of the videos I have seen are saying it is good, not great, but good. Though a couple have called it S-Tier. It is very much meant for higher end content though where even the red bars dont die in one shot.
This exotic seems really aligned with what stasis hunters want to do. Hunters can get class ability energy from defeating slowed enemies and almost always run both stasis shard fragments. I think the problem is that slow as a keyword doesn't do much in pve.
It's actually not bad? It is one of those weapons that gets better in harder content, and it seems very much customized for stasis hunter, like the stasis bow for titans and ager's for stasis locks.
It's an awful weapon. No matter how you try to justify it. It's just a waste of an exotic slot. Run riptide with chill clip and you instantly have a legendary weapon that destroys this garbage exotic.
@@FlashesSoccer011 why are you mad asf hating on people who enjoy the exotic in every other comment thread? what people decide to use in high end content has absolutely zero effect on you
people are saying this is good in master which i guess is true? you can chain creeping attrition on a frozen champion for infinite freeze with infinite ammo, but why?
I get the feeling the gun was originally intended to be a 260rpm gun, given the stat package, weapon shape, Veist ornament, etc. if it had the fire rate of a 260 it’d be much more viable, but that was unfortunately probably too busted in PVP, so the neutered it and left us with this insta-vault gun
Can we stop neutering weapons for the sake of a mode barely anyone plays now? This game is about power fantasy, at what point will bungie, and the community learn that destiny is supposed to be exciting and fun lol. A weapon like this shouldn’t be nerfed because of one mode
@@elitejt8388whether you like it or not man, more than half the player base consistently plays pvp. This wouldn't even be an issue it they just raised the number of hits taken to freeze a player, they can already do stuff like this.
If it was a sniper it would be amazing, but a scout? Nah, if it was a legendary? Of course, but it's not worth the exotic slot. Not when DMT exists and other great exotic scout rifles.
Doesn’t really change how stupid it is. Drip feeding an exotic quest that requires you to spend 30-45 minutes a week standing idle is dumb. Especially when a large portion of the player base is already upset with the increasing repetitiveness.
Gun is actually pretty usable on stasis titan with the Lance cap exotic. Sit back farm headshots for slow and have diamond lances spawn on you for more shatter damage. Kinda hard to use anywhere else
This is a good exotic when paired with athrysis embrace. Especially to health chunk yellow bars or outright kill them. Melee damage being multiplied on frozen targets and precision hits and all.
I actually am digging the exotic. It's an exotic primary specifically made for end game activities (shoot far away, strong against minors because it's exotic, can be effective against all 3 champions). Its not the best weapon, but I think it had utility. It also looks really cool.
I wouldn't exactly say effective agaisn't any kind of champion in high tier content. You'd be stuck plinking away with very little damage when you could use something like Quicksilver Storm to do way more damage in a situation where you don't have ammo. Sure you wouldn't have unstoppable and overload in a single gun but if you're running a Gm or Master raid, you either have other more efficient ways of stunning with your teammates or you could favor your abillities to do the heavy lifting. Not only freeing up your exotic slot for something more usefull, but actually have a gun that does some damage hah. I still think the concept is very promissing.
@@ohboy843 This weapon is incredibly useful against all champions, actually. This season it's able to easily combat overloads, it stops unstoppables in their tracks, and if you time it right you can take care of barriers no problem. This has been a phenomenal weapon for high end content like Master lost sectors or GMs.
Dont get the hate. 1. Riptide/double special cant always be used at long range 2. The gun can easily kill all three champs (radiant) 3. There are other heavy weapons you can use which provide dumpster truck dmg 4. Synergy with stasis builds. So yeah, i dont get the hate. Not every gun has to come out being the top 1%; a very well rounded, balanced weapon.
I feel like if it just had chill clip it would be top tier right? Like it would be getting reloaded and chill clip is way easier to proc. It would also be the only primary with that perk I believe making it really unique.
I also feel like once the catalyst is obtainable it will start to really shine on shatter builds since reloading will be a thing of the past at that point lol
Actually if in the future if you do use barrier scout this weapon would most likely stop working for overload and unstop. It's like tommy this season if you click barrier auto rifle then the ignition from it stops stunning unstop, or the stasis glaive, if you get unstop glaive the slow from it stop working on overloads.
Havent watched the video, betting money this thing is better than paul thinks Edit: Paul this is a GM weapon for iceflare bolts warlocks, it freezes enemies at base with no requirements except precision, it's definitely not as bad as you think.
It is, but it has it's place in high end content, specially on champions GM for example. The Main problem is that stasis it's ass but in regular content is just another scout rifle.
@@christiand5954 tbh everyone want's headstone and it should have it, also good call on colective action, I never Thought on that and it would fit amazing.
The only issue I have with it is how slow it is to freeze and the lack of Headstone. It’s still a very viable exotic, but like Omni and Wishender, it’s only useful in Nightfalls and GMs
I was hopeful at first. But after using it I can kinda understand where everyone is coming from. If the catalyst gave collective action it would be so much better. It's a surprise it doesn't have collective action when it created stasis shards on it's own
They need to give it headstone at the very least.. triple tap would be a nice extra, and definitely change the archetype to 260RPM, 180’s are awful, so are the guns stats
Catalyst 1000% should give chill clip and headstone. Needs rework to mirror jade rabbit but apply slow on body shots, give the crystal on precision kills while slow is applied, but make it a buff that applied only from the gun. Or dont. That would be fun having an overflowed mag and ammo aslong as you keep plinking slow dudes.
Here’s how I would fix it: 1. You no longer need precision shots to proc the slow, it now just takes rapid weapon hits 2. Reduced the shots required to slow from four to three (still four in PvP) 3. Stasis Shards are now created on freezing a target, and picking up the Shard now grants increased weapon damage, handling, and reload 4. The Catalyst overflows the mag on shard pickup and also grants Headstone
I think maybe if they shorten the crit hits needed to proc the slow and freeze it would be way better. Like 2 shots to slow, 3 to freeze. I like the weapon and had fun using it with a stasis build. And aesthetically it looks amazing.
@@MrNuclearzhow about not having a weapon be ruined by crucible. Just make it take less in pve, it’s simple. Destiny has a power fantasy to it. Pvp doesn’t take that away
@paul_tassi honestly I don't think exotic fish should drop based on RNG; instead the chances of receiving one should increase by how much the "Focused Fishing" meter is filled by players, with chances increasing further when it doesn't drop in a run. It should, then, drop up to 3 exotic fish per character, per week... of course, yes, there needs to be some significant balancing for the weapon as well.
Fishing sucks to begin with… RNG on top of it and it kind of being “required” (obviously you can join someone else who has the fish) for the exotic makes it insufferable. I got the first 2 relatively quick. The 3rd one that dropped (Nessus) I used 200 bait without it dripping when I just pieced out. Thank goodness there was the work around to still get the exotic.
I somehow managed to get this exotic when queuing into the matchmade Deep Dives. Got matched with a duo and just barely managed to chunk down the boss. It CAN be done with randoms, but it's another level of RNG on top of the fishing that you will have to deal with if you don't coordinate with a full fireteam.
This gun could be the best in the game for endgame content, I still wouldn't use it. As a Titan, I haven't used stasis since beyond light and I don't find stasis primaries to be fun at all. I'd rather have a primary that enhances the subclass that I am currently using.
That's on you then. Stasis titan is currently one of the top dps subclasses in the game, with really good builds for endgame, and this weapon further compliments those builds while adding the capability to stun all champions pretty much on command without having to worry about cooldowns or ammo economy.
@@voltus20 I never said that it wasn't on me lmao. I said ''I still wouldn't use it''. Also when are you really gonna use your stasis super for dps during a dps phase? You will miss out on a lot of weapon damage because it takes so long to finish your super compared to using thundercrash and being done immediately. I also never stated that stasis is bad. Just that I haven't used it since beyond light, I find it extremely boring. It just doesn't fit my playstyle.
@@voltus20 also strand isn't viable. It's broken as fuck and even with the suspend duration nerf it will still be broken af. The kit for stasis titan is very niche in my opinion and weak compared to other things which is why almost no one used it even before lightfall introduced suspend.
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!! I'm debating going for this, again, in the hopes it gets reworked later. But that mission is brutal with randoms
Catch 3 fish, go into match made activity, turn right, kill 2 bosses is not an exotic mission like any before it. It is just hanging a right and killing an optional boss. It is a bait and switch with them having you spend time fishing(casual/solo friendly) to GM level boss.
As some have pointed out, this may be a gun primarily for endgame content like GMs, the kind content where you need coordination with your team, which is why that is basically mandatory to even get the gun.
It bums me out that I dont even care about logging in to get this at all. My d2 interest has dropped precipitously over the last few months. This gun wont change how I play or be necessary vs my already well equipped arsenal.
The gun is okay in GMs. I did one after I got it. Nothing exceptional but you are right about the whole needing to switch to another weapon once you stun a champ cause it doesn’t do enough damage. And they will never add stasis meta mods to the seasonal artifact because they know a majority doesn’t even have stasis unlocked because it’s such a pain to do so!
Paul little thing I noticed since I noticed you were using cadmus ridge. You dont need diamond lance fragment to generate lances with Cadmus so you can use another fragment. I used the shard fragment with slide fragment and I like it it works really well with the exotic.
But hard in the timer and one of my mates being lower level. Was sorta annoyed when it bugged out and I stopped doing damage while my mates could. The buff just disappeared weirdly after getting supressed
No, I definitely see the potential with this exotic in higher end content. For casuals, this gun will not do much. For GM's and anything else light restricted, this gun will be good for overload and unstop champs and decent damage to orange bar enemies. Most people complaining about this gun do not know how to buildcraft, let's be honest. Those types of people get their builds from RUclips videos or whatever. Is this gun gonna be a great damage dealing exotic melting everything you come across? No, but that does not mean it is bad. It is a utility weapon which is not always bad. People keep bringing up Riptide with Chill Clip, and while yes it is better damage wise, there are some drawbacks to using it, like a lot of other weapons. With riptide you have to get up close and land most bolts, but with this exotic you can play safely while providing the same utility with infinite ammo as well. You aren't at as much risk using Wicked Implement. The day 1 impressions are crazy, as in crazy bad. Saying this gun is terrible / not shows who the casuals are. This gun isn't gonna shake up the meta, but it will provide value in late game content. It is just another alternative for people who do not want have the risk associated with using riptide. For most people playing on level content, it's not great and just feels like a normal scout.
Tbh picking the shard should give it insta freeze bullets in PvE and Slow Stack on Body Shots on PvP for a short duration. Alternatively after picking the shard, make it so it applies more Slow Stacks with a Chance to Spawn a Stasis Crystal.
I completed it with LFG and without using comms. Took me 7 tries and 7 different LFG posts, but I got it done. Mind U it ended up being a 3-phase, but it was worth it.
paul, we love ya mate but I think this gun and its’ utility were sorta intended for more hardcore players than you, or myself* for that matter lol. I can’t see myself using it either, but with a coordinated team, and on stasis hunter for example, it sounds like it could be really effective in endgame content. “multitool” primaries are always valuable in the long term.
Got the exotic on my first and only lfg run, someone had div and we all used random guns n two phased. Crazy that people have blueberries tryin to get it not knowin how to fight tormentors😭
paul just needs to get good and after 2 kills with the gun gives a shard he really does not know how to play stasis lol and the bow sucks the point of doing a gm is to be safe from champions and when we get anti scout next season it will most likely do all three types and why the hell r u not making more shards man
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Paul without the loot: “Timers are terrible. Boo!!!”
Paul with the loot: “Timers are not that bad”
Lol
Everyone else without a fireteam thinking this was doable with matchmaking: “Wow. This is why there’s no Raid matchmaking”
Imagine how much cooler this mission would have been if we had no prior knowledge of it and it didn't involve any fishing to start it. Really would've captured the feeling of the original black spindle mission
the fishing kills it. this is an exotic I won’t be acquiring
@nnoottjjuussttiinn you can join someone that does have the fish and still get the exotic
@omegaxis2 yeah lol that's how i got it
Id say this wasn't bungies fault TBH. Nowadays datamining/leaking has become a too popular and ruins everything for us
@Sketch_MGetch yeah that part's true but even if we knew about the exotic, they could've not done any of the fishing part of the quest and just made the statues appear the day of the exotic so we wouldn't know exactly how to activate it. Then at least the mission would've been a much cooler secret
The scout is not trash in gms. Works pretty well in the corrupted gm as it stuns unstop and overload. The slow and freeze effects are quite good in this gm.
So does a Riptide with chill clip. In a single burst. Wicked Implement needs multiple precision shots to proc.
Infinite ammo
@@chase5436yea but the ammo economy is good and it refunds ammo on kills I use it with strand and it does everything I need
I'm guessing this was the intention for basically requiring a coordinated team to complete the mission. If you don't have that, then you probably aren't doing GMs anyways so not missing much.
ok but my double special build with infinite heavy ammo and sepcial does the same thing but 1000 times better
I am ANTI-TIMER !
At least it looks cool.
Gonna look great in my Vault.
I love the jellyfish looking glow on the back
Vault art incoming!
Ornament is actually dope. But also looks good in my vault lol
Why do all the cool looking guns suck?
I'm deadass thinking about that meme/scene from Full Metal Jacket where the drill sergeant says "What is that, wtf is that?!" 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
We waited weeks for this weapon and now it seems even the catalyst is timegated. The best part is, tje gated catalyst will only let the magazin overflow, thats it...
I did it with randoms with 7 seconds left. Haven’t had my heart race like that in a mission for a long time
Same. Lol.
Same here 😂 First try on LFG all I could hear was "Guardian down " "Guardian down " "Guardian down "
we maybe had 15 ish seconds left. kinda crazy that this mission felt harder than day 1 root
@@jordanreavis8163hard to find any activity easier that that xD
The boss encounter is straight up aids. Literally everything slows you to a point that you can barely move and the tormentor is way too mobile, does way too much damage and also slows you. Add on to that it suppresses all of your abilities, it’s genuinely the worst mission added in a long time.
Correction: There ARE Stasis shields, in fact the Taken Centurions in that very mission have them. It’s just kinda hard to tell between Arc and Stasis.
wow it’s still trash !!!
@@al4x710 I wasn’t saying otherwise
It takes 3 crits to activate the buff, and 4 shots with the buff to freeze anything. Thats amazing on a ling range primary. The built in stasis shard generation is also amazing, freeing up entire aspect slots. The only thing i think is missing on this weapon is Collective Action to help with the damage. Other than that this gun is great and certainly not horrific.
I really like the base exotic but holy shit I wish the catalyst wasn't useless
Depends on how much it overflows... Remember people thought osteo striga's exotic was going to be bad and then it turned a 27 round mag into a 140 round mag.... If that 15 becomes 70 imagine all the freezing you could do...
@@natereborn3204t’s good for maintaining that permanent freeze on a target, but definitely a bit boring/underwhelming.
@@billykann7725 fair but I wished the cat also made it a 260 when you got a stasis shard
freeze on multi body shots when overflowing mag
Toss in Whisper of Rending for the damage you just have to freeze them first. With the right stasis build everything should be slow or frozen like all the time and so long as you dont let the weapons active buff fall off you dont have to hit the same target with all shots to get it going. So you can even kill 3 red bars all with precision hits and then the next target hit should be slowed. Same goes for the freeze but they do have to be slowed first. So slowing grenades may be a thing to try with this.
It’s such an aggressively average weapon when Stasis already has amazing weapons in similar categories. Agers, chill clip fusions, etc. And if you’re on stasis headstone weapons, any weapon with collective action, etc. also excel. The whole it deals with multiple champions is a moot point when any chill clip fusion could do the same for less effort and there are already a million and a half ways to deal with champs right now.
exactly, just so many more flexible options to deal with champs rather than locking an exotic to that role
Bungie is so scared of making new exotics powerful anymore. I feel like I’ve been using the same exotics for years now because anything new isn’t as powerful.
This gun definitely has a place in higher end content, in lower end it just feels like any other legendary scout rifle. But that's fine by me, more options is always nice.
How does the gun have a place in higher content? Literally the only thing the gun can be used for is to stun overloads and even then it’s garbage at it. If I see someone running this gun in my fire team for GMs then I’m sorry but they are getting kicked lol
@@JA-kr1lzrun it with any radiant buffs and then it can handle all three champs. It can slow AND freeze.
Leaves your special and heavy up for build crafting. Its got its place. Just for people who are more creative than “boot at a glance”
@@JA-kr1lz Wow if someone kicked me for running this gun they would be saving me 15 mins because they are obviously toxic and probably not very good. Can deal with all 3 champs if you build around it properly and has good synergy with stasis builds.
@@matbro95agreed I’ll only kick someone if they are running something hideously bad for a GM if me and a teammate can carry our weight stun and communicate it’s all good with me
@@gavinhendricks8689 sorry I did not realise it also freezes but my opinion still stands. I’d rather have an arbelist/wishender which can insta stun a barrier, divinity/le monarque for any overloads and suspend for any unstop. The scout rifle might be able to stun all 3 champs but it does it very poorly on all of them. I guarantee if you use that gun in GMs, you are purposefully making it harder and longer for yourself
Aztecross, datto, fallout. THINGS GUNS GOOD WITH STASIS!
Paul: ItS BAd GuYs
It’s TRASH.
Agers Sceptre or any legendary fusion with chill clip can do what this does 1000 times better , it really has no place
I like it a lot. It does work on barriers, but Stasis will shatter. It will work on Overloads and Unstoppables. Primaries that are workhorses or a tool with a thousand uses are the only ones I use. Anything from Wish-Ender, Final Warning, Le Monarch, to Quicksilver Storm excels at their jobs.
Yeah, i liked it too, but i guess people enjoy being mad at everything
@@sorvetedefeijoada158 I get it, and I think the issue comes from the current state of Stasis. It works on all champions but is somewhat harder to execute whereas with Strand, Suspend doesn't work on Overloads but keeps you both safe and able to attack champions.
It's mostly Behemoth Titan and Shadebinder Warlock that's good.
@@sorvetedefeijoada158 it's a matter of perspective, it's really not that deep
@sorvetedefeijoada158 that's such a stupid comment. It's a terrible exotic. Literally any weapon with chill clip beats this. Riptide is 100x better and doesn't waste an exotic slot.
People are dissatisfied because the exotic is dog shit. That's justified.
@@FlashesSoccer011 Special weapons have an ammo cost. That's what is being ignored here. I can freeze Unstoppables and Slow Overloads for the price of nothing. You can swap to a special or heavy weapon to clean up. It's a tool with multiple uses and build synergy.
Been using this with stasis lock in gm’s. It shines in the hardest content where you have to play from afar, since a.) its a scout rifle and b.) the stasis shards it creates have nigh limitless range of tracking, which means that you can proc elemental charge from a distance with no risk whatsoever
Also you can use that 1 stasis fragment to get +40% primary damage against Frozen targets
The scout is meant for master/GM level content, think akin to Kinetic Tremors. KT is useless in legend and lower content since enemies just die, same with this, it's a good option when all the enemies are tanky. Also since using exotic primaries seems to be a good play lately in higher content, we don't have many Exotic top slot scouts, most are pvp options. DMT is okay and I am not using Jade Rabbit or mida in a GM.
It's still a bad play in GMs. There are better options. Riptide is 100X better than this weapon.
@@FlashesSoccer011 bros complaining in every comment about this weapon
@FlashesSoccer011 Dude stop replying to every comment you disagree with and calling people stupid for thinking different from you. Regardless of whether the stance you’re holding is correct or not, it’s a pathetic look. Find something better to do with your life besides putting people down.
@@fyrusgrey5153truth hurts huh?
Gun is worst than Riptide in every place and waste a exotic slot.
Also we are talking about endgame content so ANYBODY should expect you to use the most effective loadouts there.
Stop with this snowflake bs
It’s meant for the TRASH. This weapon is BS.
I got 3 of the new exotic fish in like 15 minutes yesterday all at one pool and then managed the mission for the weapon in 2 attempts with LFG just due to time running out just before finishing off the boss on the first attempt.
Try the weapon with slowing grenades and anything that procs when you collect a stasis shard or that can freeze. I think this weapon is meant to be used with the stasis kit and not to be taken by itself, and that does not mean just run it while stasis. Iceflare Bolts to spread freeze, Whisper of Rending so it does more damage to crystals and frozen targets, stasis shards from any source reload the weapon, stasis shards are attracted to you from about 4m away without having to take a fragment for it.
Though yes it does not bring much for being an exotic and not letting you take something better. I would say if you want an exotic primary for stasis though just go with Verglas Curve. However, most of the videos I have seen are saying it is good, not great, but good. Though a couple have called it S-Tier.
It is very much meant for higher end content though where even the red bars dont die in one shot.
This exotic seems really aligned with what stasis hunters want to do. Hunters can get class ability energy from defeating slowed enemies and almost always run both stasis shard fragments. I think the problem is that slow as a keyword doesn't do much in pve.
It should work well in pvp though with a bakris build
@@grimloc211except they die before you even get to proc the slow. You gave to be getting back to back kills to see any use
Bungie rolls out ANOTHER underwhelming exotic? I'm shocked.
It's actually not bad? It is one of those weapons that gets better in harder content, and it seems very much customized for stasis hunter, like the stasis bow for titans and ager's for stasis locks.
It's an awful weapon. No matter how you try to justify it. It's just a waste of an exotic slot. Run riptide with chill clip and you instantly have a legendary weapon that destroys this garbage exotic.
@@FlashesSoccer011 why are you mad asf hating on people who enjoy the exotic in every other comment thread? what people decide to use in high end content has absolutely zero effect on you
@jordanreavis8163 weirdos man I tell you. Even in PVE
@@FlashesSoccer011 yeah good luck landing riptide shots from 40 metres
@@FlashesSoccer011ah yes let me use a riptide at long range
weapon is very build specific, work great as a stasis warlock
Most of the people complaining about the gun don’t know how to build craft in the game and it shows.
Feel like people are forgetting destiny is supposed to be an mmo.... always making things "easier" isn't the right decision
people are saying this is good in master which i guess is true? you can chain creeping attrition on a frozen champion for infinite freeze with infinite ammo, but why?
I get the feeling the gun was originally intended to be a 260rpm gun, given the stat package, weapon shape, Veist ornament, etc. if it had the fire rate of a 260 it’d be much more viable, but that was unfortunately probably too busted in PVP, so the neutered it and left us with this insta-vault gun
wow that is so true. this thing would be so much better if it was rapid fire
Can we stop neutering weapons for the sake of a mode barely anyone plays now? This game is about power fantasy, at what point will bungie, and the community learn that destiny is supposed to be exciting and fun lol. A weapon like this shouldn’t be nerfed because of one mode
@@elitejt8388whether you like it or not man, more than half the player base consistently plays pvp. This wouldn't even be an issue it they just raised the number of hits taken to freeze a player, they can already do stuff like this.
Again, PVP ruins PVE.
the gun conversation around this gun would be so much more positive if it was a 200rpm or a 260rpm
Hate timers with every fiber of my being especially as a primarily solo player.
If it was a sniper it would be amazing, but a scout? Nah, if it was a legendary? Of course, but it's not worth the exotic slot. Not when DMT exists and other great exotic scout rifles.
To be fair you had 3 weeks to get the three exotic fish. Didn’t have to wait until this week to do it.
Doesn’t really change how stupid it is. Drip feeding an exotic quest that requires you to spend 30-45 minutes a week standing idle is dumb. Especially when a large portion of the player base is already upset with the increasing repetitiveness.
@@alter6243 yeah I didn’t say I liked it but his critique of having to catch all three the day of was just wrong
Gun is actually pretty usable on stasis titan with the Lance cap exotic. Sit back farm headshots for slow and have diamond lances spawn on you for more shatter damage. Kinda hard to use anywhere else
This is a good exotic when paired with athrysis embrace. Especially to health chunk yellow bars or outright kill them. Melee damage being multiplied on frozen targets and precision hits and all.
I mean...have you tried it in harder content Paul? Taking it to a Heroic Nightfall isn't exactly putting it through the wringer...just saying
I actually am digging the exotic. It's an exotic primary specifically made for end game activities (shoot far away, strong against minors because it's exotic, can be effective against all 3 champions). Its not the best weapon, but I think it had utility. It also looks really cool.
I wouldn't exactly say effective agaisn't any kind of champion in high tier content. You'd be stuck plinking away with very little damage when you could use something like Quicksilver Storm to do way more damage in a situation where you don't have ammo. Sure you wouldn't have unstoppable and overload in a single gun but if you're running a Gm or Master raid, you either have other more efficient ways of stunning with your teammates or you could favor your abillities to do the heavy lifting. Not only freeing up your exotic slot for something more usefull, but actually have a gun that does some damage hah. I still think the concept is very promissing.
@@ohboy843 This weapon is incredibly useful against all champions, actually. This season it's able to easily combat overloads, it stops unstoppables in their tracks, and if you time it right you can take care of barriers no problem. This has been a phenomenal weapon for high end content like Master lost sectors or GMs.
I used it in the GM farm I did and it honestly did amazing with its synergy between fragments and aspects on stasis
It is sad to know my eyasluna is better than an exotic.
Lmao the gambit auto with headstone is better.
Horrific Exotic i dont know about that chief used in 3 GMs and i like it, but when its not broken everbody hates it i guess -.-
Man this new exotic realy needs a Rework.
Dont get the hate. 1. Riptide/double special cant always be used at long range 2. The gun can easily kill all three champs (radiant) 3. There are other heavy weapons you can use which provide dumpster truck dmg 4. Synergy with stasis builds. So yeah, i dont get the hate. Not every gun has to come out being the top 1%; a very well rounded, balanced weapon.
I feel like if it just had chill clip it would be top tier right? Like it would be getting reloaded and chill clip is way easier to proc. It would also be the only primary with that perk I believe making it really unique.
Yeah I kinda agree, the catalyst should get headstone and also a massive buff
I'd probably also say Collective Action is a good one as well for it
@@themellonman9886collective action would be really good.
Triple tap too
Too bad Stasis is very outclassed by Strand
Dude I’ve spent over 2 hours fishing this week with the “double catch rate” and nothing.
I also feel like once the catalyst is obtainable it will start to really shine on shatter builds since reloading will be a thing of the past at that point lol
Actually if in the future if you do use barrier scout this weapon would most likely stop working for overload and unstop. It's like tommy this season if you click barrier auto rifle then the ignition from it stops stunning unstop, or the stasis glaive, if you get unstop glaive the slow from it stop working on overloads.
I literally beat it with a random group on LFG with no mic, lol. I got lucky, I’ll admit. The team was very competent and prepared.
Same here 🤞🏾
Havent watched the video, betting money this thing is better than paul thinks
Edit: Paul this is a GM weapon for iceflare bolts warlocks, it freezes enemies at base with no requirements except precision, it's definitely not as bad as you think.
it is alot better lol
It is, but it has it's place in high end content, specially on champions GM for example. The Main problem is that stasis it's ass but in regular content is just another scout rifle.
@@dhanocore yeah and most things die before you can freeze them. if it had headstone and collective action or sum that would be better
@@christiand5954 tbh everyone want's headstone and it should have it, also good call on colective action, I never Thought on that and it would fit amazing.
Its mid as fuck. Complete copium pick
The only issue I have with it is how slow it is to freeze and the lack of Headstone. It’s still a very viable exotic, but like Omni and Wishender, it’s only useful in Nightfalls and GMs
I was hopeful at first. But after using it I can kinda understand where everyone is coming from. If the catalyst gave collective action it would be so much better. It's a surprise it doesn't have collective action when it created stasis shards on it's own
Hopefully we are getting a stasis buff soon that will make stasis weapons and supers more viable
i just think that the next time stasis is featured in the artifact this weapon will truly shine
In a month this scout rifle will be barely seen in game play .
They need to give it headstone at the very least.. triple tap would be a nice extra, and definitely change the archetype to 260RPM, 180’s are awful, so are the guns stats
Catalyst 1000% should give chill clip and headstone. Needs rework to mirror jade rabbit but apply slow on body shots, give the crystal on precision kills while slow is applied, but make it a buff that applied only from the gun. Or dont. That would be fun having an overflowed mag and ammo aslong as you keep plinking slow dudes.
Here’s how I would fix it:
1. You no longer need precision shots to proc the slow, it now just takes rapid weapon hits
2. Reduced the shots required to slow from four to three (still four in PvP)
3. Stasis Shards are now created on freezing a target, and picking up the Shard now grants increased weapon damage, handling, and reload
4. The Catalyst overflows the mag on shard pickup and also grants Headstone
its not hard to land precision hits with a scout ffs.
It needs to be 200 or 260rpm and have headstone as a catalyst 😢
I think maybe if they shorten the crit hits needed to proc the slow and freeze it would be way better. Like 2 shots to slow, 3 to freeze. I like the weapon and had fun using it with a stasis build. And aesthetically it looks amazing.
Can't do that because of crucible.
@@MrNuclearzhow about not having a weapon be ruined by crucible. Just make it take less in pve, it’s simple. Destiny has a power fantasy to it. Pvp doesn’t take that away
@@elitejt8388 yes, they would have to make it work differently on guardians, could definitely be done
Its really good for champions and there actually are stasis shields, you see them in the mission itself.
just because of stasis shields does not mean it is good . STOP coping the gun is ass
@@al4x710t's not though, it has its use. Not every gun has to come out and be the top 1%
🤣🤣🤣 Horrible -SS🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wicked Implement is not as terrible as Paul suggests...pairs well with a Stasis subclass... Used in the Corrupted GM and it was pretty decent.
@paul_tassi honestly I don't think exotic fish should drop based on RNG; instead the chances of receiving one should increase by how much the "Focused Fishing" meter is filled by players, with chances increasing further when it doesn't drop in a run. It should, then, drop up to 3 exotic fish per character, per week... of course, yes, there needs to be some significant balancing for the weapon as well.
Fishing sucks to begin with… RNG on top of it and it kind of being “required” (obviously you can join someone else who has the fish) for the exotic makes it insufferable.
I got the first 2 relatively quick. The 3rd one that dropped (Nessus) I used 200 bait without it dripping when I just pieced out.
Thank goodness there was the work around to still get the exotic.
What kills this mission for me is having to access it through deep dives.
I somehow managed to get this exotic when queuing into the matchmade Deep Dives. Got matched with a duo and just barely managed to chunk down the boss.
It CAN be done with randoms, but it's another level of RNG on top of the fishing that you will have to deal with if you don't coordinate with a full fireteam.
This gun could be the best in the game for endgame content, I still wouldn't use it. As a Titan, I haven't used stasis since beyond light and I don't find stasis primaries to be fun at all. I'd rather have a primary that enhances the subclass that I am currently using.
That's on you then. Stasis titan is currently one of the top dps subclasses in the game, with really good builds for endgame, and this weapon further compliments those builds while adding the capability to stun all champions pretty much on command without having to worry about cooldowns or ammo economy.
@@voltus20the dps statement: True
The endgame build viability statement: false since Strand dropped
@@hjw2029 another subclass being viable in endgame doesn't make stasis any less viable, it's not like strand coming out nerfed stasis tf.
@@voltus20 I never said that it wasn't on me lmao. I said ''I still wouldn't use it''. Also when are you really gonna use your stasis super for dps during a dps phase? You will miss out on a lot of weapon damage because it takes so long to finish your super compared to using thundercrash and being done immediately. I also never stated that stasis is bad. Just that I haven't used it since beyond light, I find it extremely boring. It just doesn't fit my playstyle.
@@voltus20 also strand isn't viable. It's broken as fuck and even with the suspend duration nerf it will still be broken af. The kit for stasis titan is very niche in my opinion and weak compared to other things which is why almost no one used it even before lightfall introduced suspend.
beat with LFG last night, helps to have well and divinity
Did it with randoms and zero communication. Divinity is probably not mandatory but. It helps a lot. The gun is mid at best.
it would have been cool if a mini boss fish came out during fishing and those fishing had to kill it
I was able to defeat the exotic mission with a lfg team and no mic. That team was amazing
I was almost going to login this week, off to start a necromancer!
3:12 Wander around a labyrinth killing minotaurs? Sounds like the heroic Greek myth of Theseus and the Cretan Minotaur.
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!! I'm debating going for this, again, in the hopes it gets reworked later. But that mission is brutal with randoms
Catch 3 fish, go into match made activity, turn right, kill 2 bosses is not an exotic mission like any before it.
It is just hanging a right and killing an optional boss.
It is a bait and switch with them having you spend time fishing(casual/solo friendly) to GM level boss.
I caught 130 blue and green fish before I got the exotic fish on the edz. Never had a purple fish drop that whole time.
As some have pointed out, this may be a gun primarily for endgame content like GMs, the kind content where you need coordination with your team, which is why that is basically mandatory to even get the gun.
It bums me out that I dont even care about logging in to get this at all. My d2 interest has dropped precipitously over the last few months.
This gun wont change how I play or be necessary vs my already well equipped arsenal.
Chill clip fusions will prevent this thing from ever being useful. They need to give it a very powerful catalyst for it to ever be used.
what is this fov u are playing at ?
The gun is okay in GMs. I did one after I got it. Nothing exceptional but you are right about the whole needing to switch to another weapon once you stun a champ cause it doesn’t do enough damage. And they will never add stasis meta mods to the seasonal artifact because they know a majority doesn’t even have stasis unlocked because it’s such a pain to do so!
Well now I am glad that I haven't bothered with the fishing yet lol Thanks for the 'review' ..or should I say 'warning'? :D
Catching the fish, better or worse than collecting materials in the dreadknaught?
I highly doubt they will but I really hope Bungie makes the quest possible for the average solo player to solo the quest
Paul little thing I noticed since I noticed you were using cadmus ridge. You dont need diamond lance fragment to generate lances with Cadmus so you can use another fragment. I used the shard fragment with slide fragment and I like it it works really well with the exotic.
But hard in the timer and one of my mates being lower level.
Was sorta annoyed when it bugged out and I stopped doing damage while my mates could. The buff just disappeared weirdly after getting supressed
Headstone would’ve been awesome on this imo. I can’t catch a damn exotic fish so that great!
As a stasis enjoyer looking forward to the (hopefully inevitable) stasis buff/reworks, Im stoked to get this gun regardless.
Some people thought it is a wepon of sorrow, while not being one, if bungie turned it into one, it would make the wepons incredible strong
No, I definitely see the potential with this exotic in higher end content. For casuals, this gun will not do much. For GM's and anything else light restricted, this gun will be good for overload and unstop champs and decent damage to orange bar enemies. Most people complaining about this gun do not know how to buildcraft, let's be honest. Those types of people get their builds from RUclips videos or whatever. Is this gun gonna be a great damage dealing exotic melting everything you come across? No, but that does not mean it is bad. It is a utility weapon which is not always bad.
People keep bringing up Riptide with Chill Clip, and while yes it is better damage wise, there are some drawbacks to using it, like a lot of other weapons. With riptide you have to get up close and land most bolts, but with this exotic you can play safely while providing the same utility with infinite ammo as well. You aren't at as much risk using Wicked Implement.
The day 1 impressions are crazy, as in crazy bad. Saying this gun is terrible / not shows who the casuals are. This gun isn't gonna shake up the meta, but it will provide value in late game content. It is just another alternative for people who do not want have the risk associated with using riptide. For most people playing on level content, it's not great and just feels like a normal scout.
Nothing worse then fishing over and over and over and seeing people get it all around you
I can sum this up.
"Ass weapon is ass don't get it!"
There saved you all the trouble.
I did it no problem with LFG. Just gotta go in with the right gear
Tbh picking the shard should give it insta freeze bullets in PvE and Slow Stack on Body Shots on PvP for a short duration. Alternatively after picking the shard, make it so it applies more Slow Stacks with a Chance to Spawn a Stasis Crystal.
Got all three fishes in an hour and a half in one day. Only used 200 of the bait I was carrying.
I wish this gun was something…even the bow from spire was decent w catalyst. I hope the catalyst does more than just overflow.
It's a primary weapon that is usable in endgame content because it can easily proc slow and freeze. B+ weapon at worst.
I completed it with LFG and without using comms. Took me 7 tries and 7 different LFG posts, but I got it done. Mind U it ended up being a 3-phase, but it was worth it.
paul, we love ya mate but I think this gun and its’ utility were sorta intended for more hardcore players than you, or myself* for that matter lol. I can’t see myself using it either, but with a coordinated team, and on stasis hunter for example, it sounds like it could be really effective in endgame content. “multitool” primaries are always valuable in the long term.
It’s amazing in GMs. Don’t doubt it just yet.
Got the exotic on my first and only lfg run, someone had div and we all used random guns n two phased. Crazy that people have blueberries tryin to get it not knowin how to fight tormentors😭
King of the dog shit takes has returned.
paul just needs to get good and after 2 kills with the gun gives a shard he really does not know how to play stasis lol and the bow sucks the point of doing a gm is to be safe from champions and when we get anti scout next season it will most likely do all three types and why the hell r u not making more shards man