Glory to God for all things ☦️ I was Baptized and Christmated to Orthodoxy shortly after birth. The Antiochian Church that I attended most of my life never had Vespers, Matins, prayer ropes and Jesus prayer, teachings on fasting, how to receive blessings from a priest's right hand, fasting on Wednesdays and Fridays and no women wearing a headscarf in sight. A recent convert friend of mine (1979) took me to a Monastery in Northern California and introduced me to the Holy Fathers of St. Herman of Alaska. After meeting them and observing a true Orthodox practice of services and way of life, I was deeply moved spiritually. I inquired about the difference of this kind of Orthodoxy compared to the one I never knew in practice? He told me of the monastic fathers that were part of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia and to name a few: Archbishop John of San Francisco, Archbishop Averky of Holy Trinity Monastery Jordanville New York, Bishop Necktary of Seattle, Metro. Philaret and Fr. Spyridon, the clairvoyant one. I was so inspired! Later to discover that the St. Herman of Alaska Monastery (Platina, NorCal), printed books in English and were extremely warm and loving to pilgrims, no matter what sinful baggage they brought to Platina. I was and still am extremely appreciative with all my heart of what the Russian Church Outside Russia had brought to America: monastic life, Orthodox tradition, saints, lives of saints and services, etc. Truly, what did we have in America at that time other than what they offered?! I clearly remember while attending my first "Summer Pilgrimage" of talks given to us by Fr. Seraphim Rose. I was sitting in the back towards the right and a young man raises his hand of the Russian Church and basically insist on telling Fr. Seraphim how sinful the Church of Antioch is and how they're bound up with Antichrist. Fr. Seraphim immediately looks over to me with great compassion and the feeling of awkwardness. He tells the young man to be quiet and he's mistaken, but the young man is persistent on making it clear that the Antiochian Church is bound up with the devil. As Fr. Seraphim is answering this Pilgrim with now a strong tone, he continues to stare at me most likely praying I don't get up and leave. I clearly remember Father Herman begging for forgiveness on behalf of what had taken place. But it was at that moment when I had realized there's a whole world of people practicing a deep Orthodox life and realizing there are those who never heard of such a life in Orthodoxy. I strongly believe from that moment, Fr Seraphim and Abbot Herman's view began to change. My heart dropped and never heard such politics against one another as far as a juristictional difference. I never knew of such competition- our jurisdiction is better than your "jurisdiction mentality" and we have more saints than you will ever have.. but I thought we were all Orthodox and family in Christ. There's no separation as there will not be in heaven. This cold-separation hurt me and for the first time.. I received counseling, Holy Confession and Holy Communion by them. They both welcomed me with such love and kindness and without a sales pitch to join rocor. It was right then when Fr. Seraphim told Fr. Herman that Brother Paul will be our brother in the world and he and his few friends will never leave us. We became an Orthodox family without any jurisdiction-and there were thousands of us..! Fr. Seraphim said for example, jurisdiction's were only good for one who refused to be forced into accepting the bowing down to ecumenism, but can leave and join another one to freely practice Orthodox tradition. Father Herman said they were man-made and how they label one in a box then become distant from one another. I will leave with this: Abbott Herman and Fr. Seraphim were the two missionaries that made America Orthodox of their time and.. out of love for Jesus Christ, they extended as best they could orthodoxy to the suffering searching soul as best they could. With love in XC, Unworthy Priest Paul Baba
@@andersongoncalves3387Because your regular Orthodox priest outside the Russian Church viewed the rocor church as the Russian Church in exile, as though they turned on their country of Orthodoxy. So they believed in such nonsense as though I was siding with the enemy when in fact they were holy
Glory to God! I’m part of the Antiochian Archdiocese and have a wonderful Priest! Thank you Tim for this video and thanks to Fr. Paul Baba for the interview!
I am being baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church because Saint Ephraim's book Councils of the Holy Mountain was my introduction into Orthodox Christianity and I could feel the Grace and Spirit coming off the pages of his book , then became a Catechumen of a Greek Orthodox Monk , who came from Mount Athos, and I know there are political issues in the Eastern Orthodox Church, but for me this about becoming closer to God within me and the Holy Spirit led me to the Greek Orthodox Monastery and I believe Jesus hates division in his body , and so I stay obedient to my Spiritual Father, I pray for peace between the churches , to heal the schisms, I love All Eastern Orthodox Christians and pray for us all to be One Body in Christ Jesus. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us ❤
Elder Ephraim has not been officially gloried as a saint. He is widely venerated as a saint but the bishops have not enrolled him in the calendar of saints yet.
As someone whos been recieved into the Antiochian Archdiocese, and coincidentally has a ROCOR parish exactly the same distance from my home as the Antiochian parish, Ive seen a sad tendency among a few (but let it be known, not all, and not many) among the rocor that see themselves as the "better" or "more holy" church than us at the antiochian one (despite having only been there once or twice, seeing pews, and immediately casting us aside as being bound with antichrist) Now, notice that this is an opinion among the laity, but the beloved priests stationed at the Antiochian parish and the wonderful priest ive met at the rocor parish have no such opinions about eachother, "while we have different playbooks, we play for the same team" (from rocor) and, with an unserious tone, "we celebrate a feast on a different day and so they call us heretics, this is a joke of course, we are on the same team as them and that is final" (from antioch) In my experience, the priests ive met are holier than any layperson aspousing this "us vs them" mentality in either jurisdiction, let this show who Christ sees it fit to bestow His grace on, not those who seek division, but instead community I still alternate parishes every now and then, and both sets of priests are aware of this, i have close friends living great lives in Christ at both these places, and it truly is the same Christ which acts upon these same people, and resides in the Eucharist, perfectly and undivided, in both chalices, eternally.
Im about to start my catechism journey into the antiochian archdiocese, but the old vs new calender was something that has been on my heart lately. This was perfect timing ☦️
@seraphim3r not really. St Elizabeth the new martyr as well as fr seraphim rose were both received by chrismation. Whatever the bishop decides will be blessed.
Glory to God! He keeps sending us answers when we really need it. While I am an advocate for Baptism, God accepts those only Chrismated. This pressure that My Athos, and some book publishers are putting out there to be baptised is mostly aimed at the Bishops, priests and Church as a whole to start thinking in a more Orthodox way. If anyone is in doubt that their Chrismation is not enough, they should actually go listen to what Fr Peter Heers says. He is one of the biggest proponents of baptism for all, but he even says that Chrismation (blessed by the local bishop) is valid and has grace and has saints who came into the Church this way. He is not publishing his books to go and get everyone to be rebaptised. If we really want to be baptized (as I support), we can bring this up to our priest first. But the obedience is the most important thing for those coming into the faith and if the Bishop says to be Chrismated, than that is probably best and pleasing to God! My own opinion: We don’t know how God works. We see the physical world, we don’t see the spiritual with our sinfulness. God works in many and mysterious ways.
Glory to God! He keeps sending us answers when we really need it. While I am a advocate for Baptism, God accepts those only Chrismated. This pressure that My Athos, and some book publishers are putting out there to be baptised is mostly aimed at the Bishops, priests and Church as a whole to start thinking in a more Orthodox way. If anyone is in doubt that their Chrismation is not enough, they should actually go listen to what Fr Peter Heers says. He is one of the biggest proponents of baptism for all, but he even says that Chrismation (blessed by the local bishop) is valid and has grace and has saints who came into the Church this way. He is not publishing his books to go and get everyone to be rebaptised. God Works in mysterious ways. We only see the physical with our sinfulness, we do not see how God is working in other ways.
We need to have a council to address the spirit of ecumenism that is the new calendar, however, until then and after, I will continue to love my Orthodox brothers and sisters. My church is on the new calendar, and I ask them to pray for our clergy and laity as well.
rocor parishes on the old calendar are not any better when it comes to the modern mindset and refusal to follow the Saints. you will be baptized in rocor and that is about the only difference.
The new calendar is just a superior calendar. Not having to reset your calendar every few hundred years is a blessing. The old calendarists have to arbitrarly change their dates because it is an inaccurate calendar. At that point why not go to the pre Julian calendar? Or the Hebrew calendar?
The newly exiled Russians, fleeing the Bolsheviks, in what was becoming ROCOR, attended the Orthodox Congress where the calendar was discussed. They had no problem with the new calendar, but stated if they went with it, they would be seen as in bed with the Bolshevik government like the Renovationist Russian Orthodox Church that had already gone to a similar "new" calendar. The main reasoning of not going new calendar was a practical one to not be mistaken for Renovationist Orthodox.
Thank you so very much for this video! As always, God's timing is so perfect!! I very recently was considering becoming part of the "GOC" (i.e. Church of the "Genuine Orthodox Christians" - Kallinikos/Demetrius), however, through circumstances beyond my control, chose to return to the OCA, the church where I was received into Orthodoxy. I have still been uneasy about this choice, thinking I should still have gone forward with the GOC. But this video has truly helped me to see God's hand in my going back to the OCA! Thank you!!! 🙏☦️
Father Seraphim has other talks about old calendar zealots such as the GOC, they are not in communion with the rest of the Holy Orthodox Church anymore and should not be perused. It's great to see you have chose to stay with the OCA ❤️☦️
St John of SF was among the first bishops of the ROCOR synod to recognize and support the OC. He had good relations with Bishop Petros of Astoria (Met. Demetrius’ predecessor). He never told them “Oh you should just go back and be with the new calendar church”. He went to the OC Cathedral in NYC. There were OC bishops invited to his glorification in the 1990s. With respect to the OCA, ROCOR considered them schismatic. Especially after the false 1970 autocephaly. As we have been trying to point out, this issue is not so black-and-white.
I was with the Antiochians for 10 years until I found out they are in communion with Monophysites. I was seriously concerned I would go to hell if I continued with them. The letter mentioned is from 1980’s about 10 years before the Antiochians went into communion with the Monophysites. I wonder what would be Fr seraphim’s advice now.
What city & state is this particular Antiochian church in? We are forbidden as Antiochian priests to give communion to any maronite, monophysite & melachite.
Today, there are Priests in other juridictions that commune monophysites as well. Not good! I'm in the Antochian Archdiocese and my Priest refuses to commune monophysites. It seems your alluding the Antiochian Archodiocese is not part of the canonical Eastern Orthodox church. That's not true.
@@athkon when I was still with the Antiochians, new to the Faith, I found out about Antiochian priests allowing monophysites to commune. I confronted the priest about this during a catechism class, because I thought I misunderstood so I was hoping he’d clear my doubts as well as being scandalized. He responded nonchalantly, that they do in fact due to a “translation misunderstanding” and that it’s synodally permitted. This was just four years ago. I presume it hasn’t changed. "In localities where there is only one priest, from either Church, he will celebrate services for the faithful of both Churches, including the Divine Liturgy, pastoral duties, and holy matrimony. He will keep an independent record for each Church and transmit that of the sister Church to its authorities. Damascus 12 November 1991 Patriarch Ignatios IV Of the Greek Antiochian Church Patriarch Ignatius Zakka Iwas of the Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch" you can search on Orthodox Traditionalist Publications for an article titled "The Patriarchate of Antioch & Their Eucharistic Communion with The Heretical Monophysites" which gives a lot of details of all the paper trail with their synodal meetings on these agreements.
I'm an inquirer into orthodoxy but from what I've seen there's so much division and it's very confusing to me. Leaving protestantism I thought I had found the one true church. What to do, what to do??
God bless☦️ Orthodoxy is the fullness of faith. It's filled with beauty, peace and joy. But because of its true doctrine, theology and the salvation it offers, of course the devil has to pick at it. Our goal in this video is to bring God's peace and love towards one another. You have to enter in and survive like the rest of us, but along the way, Christ's love and grace will sustain you.
Could you approach this from the perspective that the entire Orthodox Church remains in communion with the entirety through different jurisdictions even if some particular local Churches have denied communion to each other? So if one Church A remains in communion with B but not with C yet Church B and C remain in communion, therefore the Church C remains in communion with A even then, because they've still kept communion with B, continuing communion through B to A? Does this make sense?
In this kind of situation, it is of course unfortunate if one local Church decides to do something uncanonical, but we remain in communion nevertheless and continue praying that every one would be able to return once more to the full canonical reality of the Church and follow all the laws and canons it is able to follow with all its capabilities. Perhaps relevant here is that I am from the Orthodox Church in Finland that follows uncanonically the new calendar.
I feel your pain but the solution is simple: For the sake of your own salvation go to the Church which is not comprising with Antichrist and are keeping the faith unblemished. In other words, one which is actually Orthodox in dogma and ethos. These WCC, modernistic churches using multiple spoons aren’t that.
Give us an example of what you mean when you say "there is so much division in Orthodoxy." Protestant Christianities quite literally base their entire existence in division upon division but somehow Orthodoxy is worse???
Everyone should be on the old calendar but a handful of local churches changed in 1924 to align holidays with the west. The change happened outside the conciliar nature of the church and broke the liturgical harmony which had been achieved. A schism was formed. All to be more like the west. Half of the Orthodox are celebrating Christmas meanwhile the the other half are celebrating Theophany. Sad!
I'm in Kansas. In this particular area, there is only the Antiochian church. As far as orthodox, that is. I don't understand the big deal over the calendar. Is today the 22 of October or not? Was the adjustment done to square the calendar or what? Julian, Gregorian, etc ad nauseam, is time figured right or not? Some innovations are good, some bad, and some neutral. I think this calendar issue is neutral. Fast on Wednesdays and Fridays, divine liturgy on Sundays, saints days on the days that follow from that. Old, new... Does God tell us when to figure time, or is it all man made thing and it's all wrong anyway? What a distraction and doubt casting thing. Just my thoughts.
"Was the adjustment done to square the calendar or what?" No. The adjustment was not done with any sort of adjustment to make the calendar more accurate. The only reason whatsoever was to have some attempt at a unity in calendar with the Papist Church. Which is why so many in The Church rejected the calendar change when it first happened, not because they were obsessed with calendars, but because the recognized the ecumenist motives behind the change. The revised calendar butchers a lot of our fasting periods as well, so in that way is certainly affects us spiritually. It was a big error on the part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate who first encouraged it. It has been the cause of a massive schism.
@@haydeen6535 oh. Ok. Ugh... Well I have to live with it for now.. I can't drag them back and I can't up stakes and move. Apparently this has been an issue for quite awhile.. I'm new so it's all news to me.
@@Book-bz8ns I wouldn't trouble yourself about the calendar issue the big reason most of the jurisdictions are on the new calendar in America is parish councils wanted to be able to have their parishioners get the holiday off for Nativity from work and be able to celebrate it. There's an interesting case where massive amounts of Detroit auto workers were fired for not showing up on Nativity as they were still on the old calander then. Most of the people overly obsessed with the calendar make it into some kind of idol in their pursuit of hyper correctness.
@@NavelOrangeGazer that's what I thought too. Not that big a deal to separate over. But I came for ORTHODOXY. Not bleeding compliance with the good idea fairy. Oh well, like I said, not much I can actually do about it. Just do the best I can with what I've got like I always have
I think it's a big temptation to exert so much effort bashing Orthodox Christians who are simply following their saints while staying silent about Patriarchs and Bishops who ordain "female deacons" and march towards communion with Rome whilst preaching many heresies. It seems undiscerning.
@@markeedeepThere is an inter communion agreement between the Syrian Monophysites and the church of Antioch that was signed in 1990 that has yet to be rescinded. If you want to figure out why Monophysites are allowed to commune at Antiochian parishes, look no further.
😮😮😮 HOW do you stand in the back of an Orthodox Church begin your entrance in to Holy Orthodoxy by facing west spit at the devil and then take a vow of faithfulness to the teachings of the Orthodox Church, to your Bishop, to your Priest, etc. SERIOUSLY, how then do you depart so easily from what you so loved because someone wormed the idea of distrust in to your mind. 😢😢😢 Flee from the worm.
This attitude is extremely unhelpful. This video is not meant to present a complete picture of Fr. Seraphim's views on jurisdictions, Old Calendarists and New Calendarists, who is Orthodox and who is pseudo-Orthodox, etc. To my knowledge, no single source provides a complete view of what Fr. Seraphim thought about these matters, both those views he held through his entire life and those that were modified later in his life. An article like this is much needed. This video is meant to show how St. John and Fr. Seraphim guided one young man and also what Fr. Seraphim himself said in a letter toward the end of his life about communing New Calendarists and supporting "all the Orthodox", such as those like Fr. Paul. We need more balance and completeness when discussing the views of Fr. Seraphim and how to apply them.
Hey, I left a comment on your video yesterday! I remember you. You said some pretty inaccurate and prideful things on that video, but I reserved my thoughts to myself in case you just had a moment of misguided thought. I now see that you actually are a schismatic brother. Come home, brother. There is no time to waste away from Christ's body.
If I have one prayer for Orthodoxy, it would be that you ALL come to the Lord Jesus Christ and stop fighting amongst yourselves over silly nonsense. If you disagree on a point, then agree to disagree, but for the love of the Lord, STOP fighting!!! There is only one God, one Son and one Holy Spirit in all through all and over all. Stop this nonsense!
What do you mean "come to the Lord Jesus Christ?" How does disagreement between jurisdictions translate to not having Christ? And since you seem to be a Protestant....that's rather hypocritical as they have thousands of denominations worldwide with crazy variances in doctrine. The Orthodox Church has stood for 2000 years on record - YOU be the one to take the common sense step to return to that which Christ established by his Apostles.
The only way to FULLY come to Jesus Christ is to be joined to His Church, which is The Orthodox Church. I understand that you may view these as hair-splitting issues, but they are not. The Church has always had authority and a visible ecclesiology, with strict guidelines to follow by. This change in The Calendar not only affected Orthodox Christians by butchering our yearly fasting periods, but was also a clear-cut attempt at having some sort of unity with Rome. That is Ecumenism, and Ecumenism is Heresy, it is not welcome in The Church. All of The Saints are in agreement on that. I think that you would understand the severity of the issue more if you were Orthodox. I agree that it is a big tragedy that many of these controversies happen, but the solution is not to just "stop fighting", over them, we must always FIGHT as hard as we possibly can, to keep The Orthodox Faith as it is and as it has always been. The true tragedy comes only from those who try to push these innovations onto The Church.
@@tina-sheamyrie4571if exists in Orthodoxy, it doesn’t matter to what degree. Right now Orthodoxy has the “fullness of the faith” but some Orthodox are “more full” than others. This shows the falseness seeping into and out of the Church.
If you were with the Lord Jesus Christ, He would be first in your thinking, your lives, and your actions. He would not be taking a backseat. In fact, humility, love, and kindness would be found in all, including you. It amazes me how you can fight amongst each other, without even a single thought, how He hurts because of it.
Frankly speaking I do go to ROCOR. It's one of the closest churches I have where I live. Beyond this debate over new and old calendar America must unify.
Glory to God for all things ☦️ I was Baptized and Christmated to Orthodoxy shortly after birth. The Antiochian Church that I attended most of my life never had Vespers, Matins, prayer ropes and Jesus prayer, teachings on fasting, how to receive blessings from a priest's right hand, fasting on Wednesdays and Fridays and no women wearing a headscarf in sight. A recent convert friend of mine (1979) took me to a Monastery in Northern California and introduced me to the Holy Fathers of St. Herman of Alaska. After meeting them and observing a true Orthodox practice of services and way of life, I was deeply moved spiritually. I inquired about the difference of this kind of Orthodoxy compared to the one I never knew in practice? He told me of the monastic fathers that were part of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia and to name a few: Archbishop John of San Francisco, Archbishop Averky of Holy Trinity Monastery Jordanville New York, Bishop Necktary of Seattle, Metro. Philaret and Fr. Spyridon, the clairvoyant one. I was so inspired! Later to discover that the St. Herman of Alaska Monastery (Platina, NorCal), printed books in English and were extremely warm and loving to pilgrims, no matter what sinful baggage they brought to Platina. I was and still am extremely appreciative with all my heart of what the Russian Church Outside Russia had brought to America: monastic life, Orthodox tradition, saints, lives of saints and services, etc. Truly, what did we have in America at that time other than what they offered?! I clearly remember while attending my first "Summer Pilgrimage" of talks given to us by Fr. Seraphim Rose. I was sitting in the back towards the right and a young man raises his hand of the Russian Church and basically insist on telling Fr. Seraphim how sinful the Church of Antioch is and how they're bound up with Antichrist. Fr. Seraphim immediately looks over to me with great compassion and the feeling of awkwardness. He tells the young man to be quiet and he's mistaken, but the young man is persistent on making it clear that the Antiochian Church is bound up with the devil. As Fr. Seraphim is answering this Pilgrim with now a strong tone, he continues to stare at me most likely praying I don't get up and leave. I clearly remember Father Herman begging for forgiveness on behalf of what had taken place. But it was at that moment when I had realized there's a whole world of people practicing a deep Orthodox life and realizing there are those who never heard of such a life in Orthodoxy. I strongly believe from that moment, Fr Seraphim and Abbot Herman's view began to change. My heart dropped and never heard such politics against one another as far as a juristictional difference. I never knew of such competition- our jurisdiction is better than your "jurisdiction mentality" and we have more saints than you will ever have.. but I thought we were all Orthodox and family in Christ. There's no separation as there will not be in heaven. This cold-separation hurt me and for the first time.. I received counseling, Holy Confession and Holy Communion by them. They both welcomed me with such love and kindness and without a sales pitch to join rocor. It was right then when Fr. Seraphim told Fr. Herman that Brother Paul will be our brother in the world and he and his few friends will never leave us. We became an Orthodox family without any jurisdiction-and there were thousands of us..! Fr. Seraphim said for example, jurisdiction's were only good for one who refused to be forced into accepting the bowing down to ecumenism, but can leave and join another one to freely practice Orthodox tradition. Father Herman said they were man-made and how they label one in a box then become distant from one another. I will leave with this: Abbott Herman and Fr. Seraphim were the two missionaries that made America Orthodox of their time and.. out of love for Jesus Christ, they extended as best they could orthodoxy to the suffering searching soul as best they could. With love in XC, Unworthy Priest Paul Baba
Fr. Paul, in the full interview you said the Antiochians were going to excommunicate you after your first visit to Platina. Why was that?
Bless Father.
@@OrthodoxChristian27God's blessing☦️
@@andersongoncalves3387Because your regular Orthodox priest outside the Russian Church viewed the rocor church as the Russian Church in exile, as though they turned on their country of Orthodoxy. So they believed in such nonsense as though I was siding with the enemy when in fact they were holy
@@OrthodoxChristian27God's blessing☦️
I was received in the Antiochian Archdiocese of North America. I thank God everyday for bringing me home. 🙏🏻☦️
Thank you
Glory to God! I’m part of the Antiochian Archdiocese and have a wonderful Priest! Thank you Tim for this video and thanks to Fr. Paul Baba for the interview!
I am being baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church because Saint Ephraim's book Councils of the Holy Mountain was my introduction into Orthodox Christianity and I could feel the Grace and Spirit coming off the pages of his book , then became a Catechumen of a Greek Orthodox Monk , who came from Mount Athos, and I know there are political issues in the Eastern Orthodox Church, but for me this about becoming closer to God within me and the Holy Spirit led me to the Greek Orthodox Monastery and I believe Jesus hates division in his body , and so I stay obedient to my Spiritual Father, I pray for peace between the churches , to heal the schisms, I love All Eastern Orthodox Christians and pray for us all to be One Body in Christ Jesus. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us ❤
Amen!!! God bless you!
@@matthewroach3195 I pray God blessed you too , thank you for your encouragement.
has Geronda been recognized as a Saint??
@@emmetzet yes he is the fastest recognized Saint to date. 5 years it took.
Elder Ephraim has not been officially gloried as a saint. He is widely venerated as a saint but the bishops have not enrolled him in the calendar of saints yet.
So very timely. Thank you and Glory to God!
Amazing and helpful advice!!! Don’t judge your priest! Exactly what I needed right now! May God help us to “control our anger, passion and judgment”!
As someone whos been recieved into the Antiochian Archdiocese, and coincidentally has a ROCOR parish exactly the same distance from my home as the Antiochian parish, Ive seen a sad tendency among a few (but let it be known, not all, and not many) among the rocor that see themselves as the "better" or "more holy" church than us at the antiochian one (despite having only been there once or twice, seeing pews, and immediately casting us aside as being bound with antichrist)
Now, notice that this is an opinion among the laity, but the beloved priests stationed at the Antiochian parish and the wonderful priest ive met at the rocor parish have no such opinions about eachother, "while we have different playbooks, we play for the same team" (from rocor) and, with an unserious tone, "we celebrate a feast on a different day and so they call us heretics, this is a joke of course, we are on the same team as them and that is final" (from antioch)
In my experience, the priests ive met are holier than any layperson aspousing this "us vs them" mentality in either jurisdiction, let this show who Christ sees it fit to bestow His grace on, not those who seek division, but instead community
I still alternate parishes every now and then, and both sets of priests are aware of this, i have close friends living great lives in Christ at both these places, and it truly is the same Christ which acts upon these same people, and resides in the Eucharist, perfectly and undivided, in both chalices, eternally.
Im about to start my catechism journey into the antiochian archdiocese, but the old vs new calender was something that has been on my heart lately. This was perfect timing ☦️
you should be more concerned about baptism vs charismation-only.
@@seraphim3r thank you Lord willing ill make it into the font
@seraphim3r not really. St Elizabeth the new martyr as well as fr seraphim rose were both received by chrismation. Whatever the bishop decides will be blessed.
Glory to God! He keeps sending us answers when we really need it. While I am an advocate for Baptism, God accepts those only Chrismated. This pressure that My Athos, and some book publishers are putting out there to be baptised is mostly aimed at the Bishops, priests and Church as a whole to start thinking in a more Orthodox way. If anyone is in doubt that their Chrismation is not enough, they should actually go listen to what Fr Peter Heers says. He is one of the biggest proponents of baptism for all, but he even says that Chrismation (blessed by the local bishop) is valid and has grace and has saints who came into the Church this way. He is not publishing his books to go and get everyone to be rebaptised. If we really want to be baptized (as I support), we can bring this up to our priest first. But the obedience is the most important thing for those coming into the faith and if the Bishop says to be Chrismated, than that is probably best and pleasing to God!
My own opinion: We don’t know how God works. We see the physical world, we don’t see the spiritual with our sinfulness. God works in many and mysterious ways.
Glory to God! He keeps sending us answers when we really need it. While I am a advocate for Baptism, God accepts those only Chrismated. This pressure that My Athos, and some book publishers are putting out there to be baptised is mostly aimed at the Bishops, priests and Church as a whole to start thinking in a more Orthodox way. If anyone is in doubt that their Chrismation is not enough, they should actually go listen to what Fr Peter Heers says. He is one of the biggest proponents of baptism for all, but he even says that Chrismation (blessed by the local bishop) is valid and has grace and has saints who came into the Church this way. He is not publishing his books to go and get everyone to be rebaptised.
God Works in mysterious ways. We only see the physical with our sinfulness, we do not see how God is working in other ways.
Thank you for your story
Thank you. I needed this today more than any other time in my life.
I had an experience this past weekend that this video directly relates to and I very much needed to hear this message at this time.
Me too!!
@@TranslatedAssumption Me too!!
We need to have a council to address the spirit of ecumenism that is the new calendar, however, until then and after, I will continue to love my Orthodox brothers and sisters. My church is on the new calendar, and I ask them to pray for our clergy and laity as well.
the issues, the rot, run far deeper than just a calendar, it is not just a calendar
rocor parishes on the old calendar are not any better when it comes to the modern mindset and refusal to follow the Saints. you will be baptized in rocor and that is about the only difference.
The new calendar is just a superior calendar.
Not having to reset your calendar every few hundred years is a blessing.
The old calendarists have to arbitrarly change their dates because it is an inaccurate calendar.
At that point why not go to the pre Julian calendar? Or the Hebrew calendar?
I'd prefer we also have an astronomically accurate Paschalion, but that's just me.
God bless. I will look deeply into this very soon. I do know that our Metropolitan Saba spoke out strongly against the heresies of the monophysites
Matt 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also."
Good to know Orthodox Church has minor problems, than i am going through in Lutheran church.
I hope soon to visit OC.
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Beautiful.
Bless Dear Father.
The newly exiled Russians, fleeing the Bolsheviks, in what was becoming ROCOR, attended the Orthodox Congress where the calendar was discussed. They had no problem with the new calendar, but stated if they went with it, they would be seen as in bed with the Bolshevik government like the Renovationist Russian Orthodox Church that had already gone to a similar "new" calendar. The main reasoning of not going new calendar was a practical one to not be mistaken for Renovationist Orthodox.
Blessed 🙏☦️
Amazing story.
Glory to God!
Thank you so very much for this video! As always, God's timing is so perfect!! I very recently was considering becoming part of the "GOC" (i.e. Church of the "Genuine Orthodox Christians" - Kallinikos/Demetrius), however, through circumstances beyond my control, chose to return to the OCA, the church where I was received into Orthodoxy. I have still been uneasy about this choice, thinking I should still have gone forward with the GOC. But this video has truly helped me to see God's hand in my going back to the OCA! Thank you!!! 🙏☦️
Father Seraphim has other talks about old calendar zealots such as the GOC, they are not in communion with the rest of the Holy Orthodox Church anymore and should not be perused. It's great to see you have chose to stay with the OCA ❤️☦️
Glory to God!
St John of SF was among the first bishops of the ROCOR synod to recognize and support the OC. He had good relations with Bishop Petros of Astoria (Met. Demetrius’ predecessor). He never told them “Oh you should just go back and be with the new calendar church”. He went to the OC Cathedral in NYC. There were OC bishops invited to his glorification in the 1990s.
With respect to the OCA, ROCOR considered them schismatic. Especially after the false 1970 autocephaly.
As we have been trying to point out, this issue is not so black-and-white.
@@343MPulseFr Seraphim Rose had a lot more to say about the OCA, the EP and Moscow, but that is ignored by you people
@@343MPulse Thank you! Switching to the GOC would have created a huge rift in my family, so I'm grateful to God for His leading!
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I was with the Antiochians for 10 years until I found out they are in communion with Monophysites. I was seriously concerned I would go to hell if I continued with them.
The letter mentioned is from 1980’s about 10 years before the Antiochians went into communion with the Monophysites.
I wonder what would be Fr seraphim’s advice now.
Go to hell?? 😂😂😂😂😂 such idiocy, you may have autism brother
What city & state is this particular Antiochian church in? We are forbidden as Antiochian priests to give communion to any maronite, monophysite & melachite.
Today, there are Priests in other juridictions that commune monophysites as well. Not good! I'm in the Antochian Archdiocese and my Priest refuses to commune monophysites. It seems your alluding the Antiochian Archodiocese is not part of the canonical Eastern Orthodox church. That's not true.
@@paulbaba3356 Fr Bless… if you could provide your email, I will send the requested information via email.
@@paulbaba3356Fr Bless… if you could provide your email, I would gladly share your requested information.
Today Antioch is in open communion with the monophysites.
this happened 9 years after Fr Seraphim's repose.
i do not think these are the same synods
I'm offended.
How is that?
Proof?
@@athkon when I was still with the Antiochians, new to the Faith, I found out about Antiochian priests allowing monophysites to commune. I confronted the priest about this during a catechism class, because I thought I misunderstood so I was hoping he’d clear my doubts as well as being scandalized. He responded nonchalantly, that they do in fact due to a “translation misunderstanding” and that it’s synodally permitted. This was just four years ago. I presume it hasn’t changed.
"In localities where there is only one priest, from either Church, he will celebrate services for the faithful of both Churches, including the Divine Liturgy, pastoral duties, and holy matrimony. He will keep an independent record for each Church and transmit that of the sister Church to its authorities.
Damascus
12 November 1991
Patriarch Ignatios IV
Of the Greek Antiochian Church
Patriarch Ignatius Zakka Iwas
of the Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch"
you can search on Orthodox Traditionalist Publications for an article titled "The Patriarchate of Antioch & Their Eucharistic Communion with The Heretical Monophysites" which gives a lot of details of all the paper trail with their synodal meetings on these agreements.
Our metropolitan forbids us to give communion to monophysites maronites and melkites?
I'm an inquirer into orthodoxy but from what I've seen there's so much division and it's very confusing to me. Leaving protestantism I thought I had found the one true church. What to do, what to do??
God bless☦️ Orthodoxy is the fullness of faith. It's filled with beauty, peace and joy. But because of its true doctrine, theology and the salvation it offers, of course the devil has to pick at it. Our goal in this video is to bring God's peace and love towards one another. You have to enter in and survive like the rest of us, but along the way, Christ's love and grace will sustain you.
Could you approach this from the perspective that the entire Orthodox Church remains in communion with the entirety through different jurisdictions even if some particular local Churches have denied communion to each other? So if one Church A remains in communion with B but not with C yet Church B and C remain in communion, therefore the Church C remains in communion with A even then, because they've still kept communion with B, continuing communion through B to A? Does this make sense?
In this kind of situation, it is of course unfortunate if one local Church decides to do something uncanonical, but we remain in communion nevertheless and continue praying that every one would be able to return once more to the full canonical reality of the Church and follow all the laws and canons it is able to follow with all its capabilities. Perhaps relevant here is that I am from the Orthodox Church in Finland that follows uncanonically the new calendar.
I feel your pain but the solution is simple: For the sake of your own salvation go to the Church which is not comprising with Antichrist and are keeping the faith unblemished. In other words, one which is actually Orthodox in dogma and ethos. These WCC, modernistic churches using multiple spoons aren’t that.
Give us an example of what you mean when you say "there is so much division in Orthodoxy."
Protestant Christianities quite literally base their entire existence in division upon division but somehow Orthodoxy is worse???
So does this mean some folks are called to the Old Calendar and others are meant to be with the New Calendar? I dont know if I fully get it.
Everyone should be on the old calendar but a handful of local churches changed in 1924 to align holidays with the west. The change happened outside the conciliar nature of the church and broke the liturgical harmony which had been achieved. A schism was formed. All to be more like the west. Half of the Orthodox are celebrating Christmas meanwhile the the other half are celebrating Theophany. Sad!
No. It means we should be Orthodox and not worry about calendars! The calendar issue is just a practice issue, not a theological one.
Timothy, have you watched the interview with Fr Andrew that OTP posted? What are your thoughts? Thanks.
I'm in Kansas. In this particular area, there is only the Antiochian church. As far as orthodox, that is.
I don't understand the big deal over the calendar.
Is today the 22 of October or not? Was the adjustment done to square the calendar or what? Julian, Gregorian, etc ad nauseam, is time figured right or not?
Some innovations are good, some bad, and some neutral.
I think this calendar issue is neutral.
Fast on Wednesdays and Fridays, divine liturgy on Sundays, saints days on the days that follow from that. Old, new... Does God tell us when to figure time, or is it all man made thing and it's all wrong anyway?
What a distraction and doubt casting thing.
Just my thoughts.
"Was the adjustment done to square the calendar or what?" No. The adjustment was not done with any sort of adjustment to make the calendar more accurate. The only reason whatsoever was to have some attempt at a unity in calendar with the Papist Church. Which is why so many in The Church rejected the calendar change when it first happened, not because they were obsessed with calendars, but because the recognized the ecumenist motives behind the change. The revised calendar butchers a lot of our fasting periods as well, so in that way is certainly affects us spiritually. It was a big error on the part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate who first encouraged it. It has been the cause of a massive schism.
@@haydeen6535 oh. Ok. Ugh... Well I have to live with it for now.. I can't drag them back and I can't up stakes and move.
Apparently this has been an issue for quite awhile.. I'm new so it's all news to me.
@@Book-bz8ns Same here.
@@Book-bz8ns I wouldn't trouble yourself about the calendar issue the big reason most of the jurisdictions are on the new calendar in America is parish councils wanted to be able to have their parishioners get the holiday off for Nativity from work and be able to celebrate it. There's an interesting case where massive amounts of Detroit auto workers were fired for not showing up on Nativity as they were still on the old calander then.
Most of the people overly obsessed with the calendar make it into some kind of idol in their pursuit of hyper correctness.
@@NavelOrangeGazer that's what I thought too.
Not that big a deal to separate over.
But I came for ORTHODOXY. Not bleeding compliance with the good idea fairy.
Oh well, like I said, not much I can actually do about it. Just do the best I can with what I've got like I always have
What's the book on St. John that Fr. Paul was holding up?
Early version of "Saint John the Wonderworker."
@@ryrocks9487 Thanks friend!
@@CocotheNut No problem! Although it's out of print, Saint Herman of Alaska Press wants to bring it back soon!
@@ryrocks9487 Great news! I looked it up, yikes... $$$
I think it's a big temptation to exert so much effort bashing Orthodox Christians who are simply following their saints while staying silent about Patriarchs and Bishops who ordain "female deacons" and march towards communion with Rome whilst preaching many heresies. It seems undiscerning.
Please inform as to where this is now happening?
@@markeedeep The Greeks have been going through a hard time.
@@wjckc79 I am aware, but we're talking about the Antiochians here.
@@markeedeepAntioch is already in a false union with the non-chalcedonians.
@@markeedeepThere is an inter communion agreement between the Syrian Monophysites and the church of Antioch that was signed in 1990 that has yet to be rescinded. If you want to figure out why Monophysites are allowed to commune at Antiochian parishes, look no further.
😮😮😮 HOW do you stand in the back of an Orthodox Church begin your entrance in to Holy Orthodoxy by facing west spit at the devil and then take a vow of faithfulness to the teachings of the Orthodox Church, to your Bishop, to your Priest, etc. SERIOUSLY, how then do you depart so easily from what you so loved because someone wormed the idea of distrust in to your mind. 😢😢😢 Flee from the worm.
The translation and verbage seems a bit gender neutral. In the antiochian parish I joined last year. I left the oca I wish a rocor church was near.
Where are all the Old Calendarists at? I know your lurking. Lets see if you have the self control to stay quiet. We know you follow these pages
Not sure about the old calendarists but we orthographists cannot abide in your spelling of quiet.
Hey bro you still watch dayzofnoah?
Go read Romans Ch. 14 before you start talking about self control. God's Grace Be With you.
Incitement is sin.
@dolphinitely_bro3944 yeah im still a mod over thr
Seethe, ecumenists, SEETHE! The truth comes out one way or another! 😃☦
This attitude is extremely unhelpful.
This video is not meant to present a complete picture of Fr. Seraphim's views on jurisdictions, Old Calendarists and New Calendarists, who is Orthodox and who is pseudo-Orthodox, etc. To my knowledge, no single source provides a complete view of what Fr. Seraphim thought about these matters, both those views he held through his entire life and those that were modified later in his life. An article like this is much needed.
This video is meant to show how St. John and Fr. Seraphim guided one young man and also what Fr. Seraphim himself said in a letter toward the end of his life about communing New Calendarists and supporting "all the Orthodox", such as those like Fr. Paul. We need more balance and completeness when discussing the views of Fr. Seraphim and how to apply them.
You’re not a champion of anything
Hey, I left a comment on your video yesterday! I remember you. You said some pretty inaccurate and prideful things on that video, but I reserved my thoughts to myself in case you just had a moment of misguided thought. I now see that you actually are a schismatic brother. Come home, brother. There is no time to waste away from Christ's body.
This commenter likely isn’t even baptized
You schismatics will never taste the fruits of obedience @death2compromise
If I have one prayer for Orthodoxy, it would be that you ALL come to the Lord Jesus Christ and stop fighting amongst yourselves over silly nonsense. If you disagree on a point, then agree to disagree, but for the love of the Lord, STOP fighting!!! There is only one God, one Son and one Holy Spirit in all through all and over all. Stop this nonsense!
Its worse in the Protestant realm
What do you mean "come to the Lord Jesus Christ?" How does disagreement between jurisdictions translate to not having Christ? And since you seem to be a Protestant....that's rather hypocritical as they have thousands of denominations worldwide with crazy variances in doctrine. The Orthodox Church has stood for 2000 years on record - YOU be the one to take the common sense step to return to that which Christ established by his Apostles.
The only way to FULLY come to Jesus Christ is to be joined to His Church, which is The Orthodox Church. I understand that you may view these as hair-splitting issues, but they are not. The Church has always had authority and a visible ecclesiology, with strict guidelines to follow by. This change in The Calendar not only affected Orthodox Christians by butchering our yearly fasting periods, but was also a clear-cut attempt at having some sort of unity with Rome. That is Ecumenism, and Ecumenism is Heresy, it is not welcome in The Church. All of The Saints are in agreement on that. I think that you would understand the severity of the issue more if you were Orthodox. I agree that it is a big tragedy that many of these controversies happen, but the solution is not to just "stop fighting", over them, we must always FIGHT as hard as we possibly can, to keep The Orthodox Faith as it is and as it has always been. The true tragedy comes only from those who try to push these innovations onto The Church.
@@tina-sheamyrie4571if exists in Orthodoxy, it doesn’t matter to what degree. Right now Orthodoxy has the “fullness of the faith” but some Orthodox are “more full” than others. This shows the falseness seeping into and out of the Church.
If you were with the Lord Jesus Christ, He would be first in your thinking, your lives, and your actions. He would not be taking a backseat. In fact, humility, love, and kindness would be found in all, including you. It amazes me how you can fight amongst each other, without even a single thought, how He hurts because of it.
Frankly speaking I do go to ROCOR. It's one of the closest churches I have where I live. Beyond this debate over new and old calendar America must unify.
Thank you