How did TAMMY DAYBELL die?? Pathology, Religious Doctrine, History & DIFFICULT WITNESSES
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Deep dive into how Tammy Daybell died. Reconciling the pathology results & initial mishandled coroner examination... with relevant religious doctrine / history .. in an effort to understand the Defense's very difficult witnesses.
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NOTE: After today's new testimony about Garth, I'm no longer confident that Chad slept next to Tammy's body for 6 hours. Honestly, I have to stew on this new testimony, not because I don't trust the witness, but rather because it's hard to see what's true in the world of Chad's children. Aside from that last detail I still hold to the theories in this video, especially around Chad's motives & his relationship w Emma.
Yes. That testimony today doesn't change anything about Chad. However it happened it was his doing. But hoo boy it implies some really creepy stuff about Garth.
@@goatgirl5968 yeah, honestly, I just need to stew on that for a while, because it raises questions in all directions
I agree. And I'm kind of glad for that, the thought of Chad sitting in a room with Tammy's body for hours makes me feel a bit sick. But I think Tammy had found out about the affair and was super depressed and sick of him. Tammy likely was sleeping in a whole other bedroom. Either Tammy or Chad was sleeping up in the cozy cone. I wonder too if he let Alex in through the cozy cone to kill Tammy before Garth got home, then he was dropping Alex back at his car when Garth found her body. Chad would be able to convince Garth that moving Tammy back to the marital bed would be best for Tammy because the embarrassment of having a 'bad marriage' would be bad for her, even in death. Or something... just fleeting opinions and thoughts.
@@catasrophieGrrl Yeah, that sounds very realistic. I usually take a few days just to stew on new evidence, because those realistic interpretations don't always come to me at first. Very realistic what you're suggesting.
There may also be some kind of incest between Chad and Emma too
He said Tammy was vanilla so he wasn't satisfied with vanilla. Well Chad is a slug and was lucky to have vanilla.
Spoken like a true 19th century prophet and patriarch lol
He should’ve had salt instead.
Tammy looked 10 x better than Lori…I think Chad just wanted a cheap hore which is why he was sooo crazy over hori
@@nenej12 He wanted it spiced up in bed apparently. i think he always was jealous of his brother Matt and his wife Heather, and wanted a wife that looked more like Heather.
🤣🤣🤣
Whoever this guy is I could listen to him for an hour or longer - his speculations are interesting & insightful
Oh my gosh. Your explanation of Emma believing that Lori was her mother in another life explains so much.
And I'm sure that belief came from Chad.
It makes me wonder how much Tammy was involved in the religious aspect
She wasn’t being poisoned. Alex and Chad murdered her. Emma is lying about her being tired and not feeling well. Everybody has said she was in great health ….. except for the two kids trying to save their dad
Thats a good point, and i need to remind myself more of that
Agree
So very sad to see that the strong woman seeking justice for Tammy Douglas-Daybell is the State Prosecutor, Lindsey Blake, rather than her own daughter Emma Daybell-Murray. As we observed a similar reaction from Buster Murdaugh's testimony, Emma apparently speaks with her father very regularly, possibly daily - she will & has delayed the time & separation from her father's selfish promotion of his delusion. The father's cruelty in continuing this self-serving situation will only delay Emma's ability to heal. It's simply tragic.
That is what I believe really, is that she was in good health and the family believed the lies Chad told about her not feeling well.
The toxin that would have caused her to be exasperated and tired is "Chad". Such a piece of work. I wonder how she put up with him as long as she did.
Very very true
I don't think Tammy was ever ill, at least anything beyond the depression.
I think this was the kids doing what Chad has told them to do, which is to reinforce this idea that Tammy was so ill that she was on the brink of death
@@IdeaPants365 they psyched her into exasperation... very possible
Imagine, being married to someone who's constantly wishing/predicting you dead so he can proceed to "stage 2" of his "magnanimous" life. He sees you as non desirable and his empty headed Miss Texas, as highly sexy-hot-desirable, goddess and religious leader. I'm sure she could feel the destructive energy.
I remember a while back a co worker said on the last day before her death that Tammy wasn’t her usual happy self. That she was annoyed or in a mood. It makes me wonder if Tammy knew of the affair or maybe Chad had emotionally distanced himself which often happens when in an affair and Tammy was getting irritated or annoyed with the state of her marriage. That would cause depression when you feel lonely in your marriage and anxiety often accompanies it. Anxiety and depression cause tiredness and anxiety can also take effect on breathing too. So she may of appeared out of breath. But also at 49 you are most likely going through menopause or peri so that slows you down too. She did work full time didn’t she ? Plus was involved with exercise classes outside of work that was of a physical nature. Had a fit bit to encourage more physical activity Not the actions of someone that was slowly dying. I got the impression Emma was trying to say she died from laziness and it was Tammy’s fault that she didn’t properly look after herself through diet and exercise and regular seeing a doctor. Doctors visits are expensive and often people only go when they are sick which she had done in 2019 for her wrist. If Tammy neglected herself like they are suggesting then the findings would have been in the autopsy.
Lindsay did a great job at discrediting the defense witnesses
She is fun to watch! Definitely did her homework!🌹
What we heard in court today is that Emma and husband LIED under oath. I mean, we KNEW that as it was happening in real time, but today the State made it very clear they lied!!!!
I was very sooketh about Tammy's dead! I've heard how she died but the picture of today's testimony was gruesome
It shows how people can choose to decide what truth is. I don't think they are consciously lying but yet they are.
I will never understand how a 49 year old woman can die and a coroner takes the word of the husband as total truth. If she wasn't under doctors care she it should have been looked into. Murder in that area must be easy to commit.
I feel the same way
Idaho needs help
Maybe he googled, “top states where it’s easy to get away with murder” or “worst police forces in America” before he moved them all to Rexburg.
It really is very easy! They are all LDS so the coroner just writes off everyone dying of natural causes!
@@bernieheartdragon1888 and it happened to be exactly where the new Jerusalem world appear in earth. Very convenient lol
I also think Chad demeaned Tammy and probably did it in front of her kids, especially Emma, the chosen one. She so easily put her mother down in front of the world without batting an eye. Probably thought it was her mom's fault that Chad wasn't sexually satisfied
Is it possible that Chad turned away from the emotional relationship with Tammy, & supplanted Emma in that aspect of relationship? Emma would not have been experienced/mature enough to recognize this - and motivated by wanting her father's approval been lured into a role/relationship condoning Chad's delusion - even furthering the delusion?
That’s how his family was. His dad/mother dynamic. Sad. You see it in hardcore religious sometimes. The woman needing to submit but it becomes abusive.
Emma teaches 3rd grade at a Sugar City, Idaho grade school. Do you want her teaching your 8 year old child? Idaho health and human services should be on top of this!
So we now know one of Garth’s colleagues testified that Garth told him he found Tammy dead when he got home from work and Chad was not home.
His work friend’s account made a lot more sense than Garth and Emma’s testimony. What I CANNOT understand is why didn’t Garth call 911 when he found her?
@@rick-grim because he called Chad first.
@@goatgirl5968 how did I NOT think of that! Thanks
Chad was driving Alex back to the church .
In Garth's 911 call, he stated he "found his mother on the GROUND" - and then Chad took the phone from him: I'm not sure if I would use the word "ground" if I was assisting someone on the FLOOR (inside the home) - it may be a regional difference in the use of word/phrase...
but I have wondered if Tammy was lured outside the home & killed in the yard - that Garth came home & did actually find his mother, at some point, outside and "on the GROUND"... additionally Garth used the word "frozen" (which as a word choice option of "cold" makes me also wonder if "frozen" leans more to the colder temperatures outside in Eastern Idaho).
*** I also heard other small details & word choice during testimony: that a photo had been deleted from Tammy's phone from the night she passed - it has not/cannot be retrieved... did she hear or was she lured outside by a noise? - maybe she did see something/someone & took their picture?
*** another detail/clue was the manner in which Emma stated that Chad was emotional because he "SAW" his wife die - also a choice of phrase that if not taken very literally (where Chad "saw" the activity after finding Tammy - all activities could be described as "seen"... but still it causes questions if Chad was present & witnessed Tammy's death)
The devil is in the details.
Emma saying Tammy started going to bed around 5 or 6, leads me to think someone could have been putting Benadryl or something in her drinks or food. He would have more time to talk to his girlfriend if his wife is sleeping.
But she was up till 10pm playing games.
She was probably exhausted.. and depressed due to be chads wife.
I think she went in her room as early as she could just to get away from him and wasn't sleeping. Just escaping from him.
@@eleanoraquitaine2966exactly. She retreated to her space.
. . . or Emma is just lying. I’m wondering if tammy, after a long day at work and not wanting to deal with her cheating spouse, would simply take a short nap. This would give Emma an “out” and believe she is telling the truth that her mom went to sleep early, but leaves out the bigger picture of waking up after a short nap. Who knows. Either way, I believe Emma is lying, which is likely a result of being brainwashed or hypnosis from her daily calls with dad.
I've been hearing how we should feel sorry for his children. Dear God there was dead children in check yard
and they’re not children, they are fully grown adults unlike Tylee and JJ who never had that chance
@@50angeleyes they are their children. I don't think people say that for age reference
Can you only imagine that all this discussion in court about Tammy and Chad sits there stone faced knowing exactly how she died. 😳
I know.. i really think he lives in another world
@@pdquestions7673 I wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks he is a holy martyr now.
@@EBY5801 sadly, i agree
Your analysis explains why it almost seems like Emma has contempt for her mother. Makes sense now.
thanks 🙂
His father treated his mother like that and Chad did also according to Heather Daybell. History repeating.
@@jenellaedwards1165 yeah, I heard that too... although Chad's siblings are supposedly way more normal.
Emma's voice makes me want to scream. Does that make me dark?
I guess im super dark to lol
Emma: The early teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
Those men taught polygamy and blood atonement.
We cant overlook that
Do you believe she was murdered so Chad could practice polygamy? That makes no sense.
@@annewandering not at all. My point is that therechad to be some notion of being able to be w Lori and not be on bad terms w Jesus and God...
Joseph Smith absolutely did not teach the grosser criminal practices of many wives or blood atonement. But Brigham Young did, Brigham Young conspired together with the other secret combination Mason's to murder and alter the records to fit the secret combination Mason's narrative of desiring many wives. Mason's were in the room with Joseph and Hyrum and in the mob. Emma didn't lie, her husband was not a many wives grosser criminal! Their kids were not lying either and the utter lack of children from any of these Mason backed women, bear false witness girls, proves Joseph, Emma and their kids were not lying and spoke against many wives. Don't blame the prophet of the restitution for the great and abominable church taking control of the church!
Brigham Young didn't go to war against the United Statists of America. They sent their military to war with Mexico to acquire The Mexican Territory. Then they sent out their military to slaughter them! Get it straight! Brigham Young was the defense! The United Statists are the ones who send their military to slaughter others in their own countries!
I think poison was used many times by Lori as people died around her in her lifetime.I think she may have unalived Tylies father ,her first lawyer, her sister ,her brother ,Chads neighbor and Tammy 😢
What did Alex pick up in Mexico days before his death ?
very good question
@@pdquestions7673 I think Lori found something over the border years ago .I had a friend with cancer and there were many things available there you could not get in the states for her treatment so it made me think of a poison maybe that leaves no trace or its something we wouldn't test for here.Starting with her sister it seems pretty sketch at the amount of people who conveniently died
She admitted to poisoning Charles in his smoothie. And likely poisoned Larry in a fruit salad. What poison causes heart issues or pulmonary embolism? Most of the suspicious deaths ruled natural were heart/pulmonary COD.
when Joe Murray was on the stand & said that Tammy was coughing hard = THAT is just coaching from ol Chaddy boy !
yeah, I have that doubt, for sure
The kids have been coached. Emma speaks to her dad daily and then that he tells her and she takes it back to the other children in the family and they have to do what he says.
Her testimony comes off as rebuttals. She’s hitting on all these points. Her mom’s health. Girl, she was murdered. Who cares if she went to bed early?! These are the lies her dad used to convince her he’s innocent. She thinks she’s protecting her dad but she’s protecting her mother’s murderer.
My theory: Alex's phone was near Daybell's house around 10:00ish pm......Garth didn't get home until around 1:00am......Alex met Chad in the Cozy Cone where either Tammy was already there ( I believe they slept in different beds).......Alex comes in, Chad holds her arms down, Alex slips bag over her head....BINGO, Dead in a couple minutes....move her back to downstairs Master Bedroom.
I have the same theory
makes sense.. too bad the prosecution hasn't really underlined that possibility... but it makes sense to me
@@pdquestions7673 they may offer a theory during their closing statement
@@yankeecitygirl I'm looking forward to hearing it.
@@pdquestions7673 It's only a theory, so they cannot prove a theory, though we know Emma said the Cozy Cone is sound proof, and they could play drums and you couldn't hear it in the rest of the house.
I believe so much of what you said except I think you give Chad too much credit. I think he did not really believe any of his nonsense. He simply loved the power, attention and sex it brought him
you may be right... and, for now, this is a difficult case & all theories need to be on the table. I do think Chad's deepest motives are base and vicious... but, at least on some surface, I think Chad wants to see himself as a super Mormon. I could be wrong though, and we just have to keep theorizing. It's not an easy case.
@@pdquestions7673 I think it's possible Chad began to believe his own lies. Being possibly narcissistic or psychopathic, at some level they know they are telling an untruth, but if they tell it loud enough and long enough even they believe it was the true version of what happened. Mike with profiling evil reveals that there is a history of schizophrenia in Lori's family, even siblings if I recall.
It’s hard to know how much Chad and Lori believe and how much they’re lying to themselves to avoid reality. Chad seems way more sociopathic with awareness to me.
After listening to this, I think I understand why Lori is still giggly and happy… because she rejects this world and is delusional about the afterlife.
I think it was John Lennon who wrote “Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.”
Your idea of Emma acting as if Lori is her mother has some merit. Chad and Lori had a list of the "spirit children" they had together in a previous life, and I think Emma was listed as one of them.
That explains a lot
Check out McKay Abegglen’s testimony this morning.
I know... I'm still trying to process that. Raises a TON of questions, but I'm trying to stew on it.
I’d be tired after work too and depressed to married to Chad. Also, she may have been menopausal, which I survived as do millions of women. The utter disrespect of their mother is astounding. No tears for her. Emma cried only during watching the police cam when Chad was being taken away. They are stone cold and I think the jury got that too.
Agreed
Thank you for your coverage of the Daybell family.
She was exhausted from doing all the work. If thats even true. Chad didn't do anything. I saw someone who knows him say he did nothing. Not even yard work.
I'm totally open to that, by the way. Maybe Chad was micro-dosing her, psychologically, by treating her like she wasn't even human. Systematic mistreatment and dehumanization can lead a person to exasperation and illness. Maybe Tammy was really upset and outside herself for days, due to Chad's inhumanity, and the lack of sleep and depression led her to be exhausted and exasperated.
@@pdquestions7673 and not to mention her husband is having an affair with a goddess and she is supporting the family being the breadwinner as he put them in bankruptcy
At one point her son mentioned Tammy was too tired to cook so they got McDonalds. No one asked why Chad and Garth didn't cook dinner that night. It sounds like the poor woman did everything and Chad sat on his butt
Maybe Chad wanted the priesthood….. but he wanted the life insurance money more. Lori didn’t want a broke priest.
Again, great analysis of the evidence. I appreciate your calling out the witness for playing a 'shell game'.
I think Chad and Lori’s obsession with malachite is more than just liking the color green, I also think their inability to do a proper toxicology because it was done after embalming her prevented them from checking for poisoning completely like they could have done if the coroner had ordered an autopsy immediately after she died
I'm grateful for your perspective. It's very thought provoking.
Thanks 😁😁
I'm trying to be unbiased but I think she was obviously murdered. My spidey senses tell me her children thought Tammy was dark and had to go
me too
I think Alex and Chad ambushed her in her sleep. One held her down, the other put a pillow over her face. She kicked herself half out of the bed in the struggle.
I tend to think it was a plastic bag... just because pillow smothering requires a LOT of pressure, which would leave damage and bruising to the nose and face, plus petechiae... but I do think they did something to her, and that Chad and Alex held her down.
@@pdquestions7673 I think you’re right about that.
@@pdquestions7673 do you think the plastic bag may have cause the bruise that was on one side of her neck? I know the ME said the bruise may have happened during the embalming process. But what if Alex/Chad placed the bag over her head while she was lying down…
@@kadobi189 that wasnt the damage caused by the embalming procedure?
@@pdquestions7673 I was asking if a person is holding a bag over someone’s head, would it cause a bruise on one side? I don’t know anything about embalming processes tho
I appreciated hearing the jurors talk about how confident they were in understanding the cause of death of Tammy. Because Prior really tried to confuse it. The jurors have my utmost respect. It restored my faith in humanity after watching her own kids slander her on the stand.
Me too
I love this type of discussion. I can’t dissect these trials yet I know something is bothersome. I love people with your insight who help me understand why things don’t sit right. If this even makes sense! lol!
I just recently discovered your channel and I am watching everything you’ve done on this case and more! I plan to sink my teeth into more over this long weekend.
thanks :-) although, not all of my videos are that great, lol This is just a hobby for me, but I really appreciate any interest :-)
The question is when Prior said " you didn't share his fundamental religious beliefs " and she replied " not neccessarily "...What were they that she didn't share?..surely if Daddy was so holier than thou she'd believe them all?....Remember the old movie "Poltergeist "...follow the light etc...this comes to mind with them.
Thank you for your channel. I have only recently found you and subscribed. I enjoy your critical thinking skills and the way you communicate. I look forward to enjoying more of your presentations!
thanks a bunch. . really appreciate that :-)
I bet he only started talking about tammys percentage of death after he met lori vallow.
I don't believe that is true.
Yes I agree I would def had asked that question if I was an attorney up there. Ok Emma when was the first time he mentioned your mother was gonna die? Years? Months? Weeks? Days? Cuz it makes a real big difference
What about the testimony today where Garth’s friend said he was told by Garth a day later that he found his mother on the floor cold with blue lips and his father wasn’t around
yeah, that's huge testimony, and honestly I need to process that, just because it raises so many new questions. I don't have any smart answer, because I think we really need to process that.
@@pdquestions7673 I can appreciate taking the time to process it. What ever your background is (wish I knew) love you approach and commentary. Only drawback is your vids are to short.
@@nadagabri5783 I was a civil lawyer for about 10 years. I didn't like being a lawyer, and I had issues, so I let my license go, and for the last 13 years I work as a researcher and consultant with criminal defense attorneys. I do legal research, write appeals, and I also do strategy consulting. Also, my dad's a professor of Pathology, and he did autopsies for more than 40 years. Btw, my dad always complained about how hard it was to work w toxicology labs,,,
@@pdquestions7673 Thank you. Very Interesting background. Your vid came up in my feed so I watched. Your take / approach is unique. I’m sure there are other subs that would be interested to know your background too. YT use to have an about section, yet I guess that feature is no longer. Also appreciate how you get straight to the point.
@@nadagabri5783 lol... a lot of viewers have complained that I'm too long-winded.. but lately I'm trying to improve that. Thanks for your comments :-) really appreciate it.
I think Chad labeled Tammy as dark and spoon fed all his crap to his children..they drank the Kool aid big time..I don’t think they’re sad at all that she died..they seem very unaffected..it’s so sad..poor Tammy 😔
They may just believe that Tammy left her body days or weeks earlier, and that killing her was just putting an empty body down to rest in peace. They may agree w Lori that Tammy is just happy and busy in some other world.
@@pdquestions7673 Yes quite possible..their beliefs are just insane..but look who raised them..seems they like Lori better than their own mother..like what in the world?🤦🏼♀️
@@jefjenbran11764 under their beliefs, they may think Tammy was a subordinate wife, and that Lori is Chad's true "main" wife, and they MAY even think (or at least Emma does) that Lori is her True mom. Emma may believe she has more often been Lori's daughter in past lives.
You just keep making it make sense! I think you're spot on concerning Emma and her testimony & connections with fundamentalist beliefs. Yes, were definitely all apostates and part of the 99% that will never see Chad & his great family's brilliance as light beings, lol. Very interesting assessment on Emma thinking shes actually Lori's daughter, not the worker bee's daughter, and I believe you're right. Tylee's dismemberment definitely falls in line with blood atonement. The book When the Moon Turns to Blood goes into many of these concepts in relation to the crimes so I understood them and found it fascinating as you pieced these concepts together here.
thanks a bunch... I really appreciate your comment :-)
Yes. I am also wondering about your story. I find your wide knowledge base and analytical approach refreshing. I’d like to know more.
we still haven't gotten to the bottom of this case. What about the testimony today from Garth's coworker, that Garth found Tammy when he got home from work and couldn;t find Chad. ... very weird.
I’m worn out and exhausted when I get home from work on Fridays, too.
He wanted to wait when the neighbor said to call the Bishop. Chub wanted another hour
yep
As a teacher, which one of us has not said that we're exhausted on a Friday afternoon & have relaxed as long as possible on the couch.
Good point
Poor Garth. They left her for him to find, and have demanded he lie to protect Chad. Then Pryor threw him under the bus with the video games after he found her. Note he did not deny that contradictory fact. That poor child. Horrid people.
Wait… Chad played video games after finding his mom stiff and blue lipped in the bed?? This crew is BEYOND farked up
I don’t think they intended for Garth to find her. They thought he’d come home and just go to bed, but he checked in on Tammy. Whoops.
Appreciate your analysis. Glad I found your channel .
Astute observations, as always.
Thanks 😁😁
Great analysis on multiple videos. Thank you so much!!!
thanks :-) really appreciate that :-)
To me it is clear that Chud has manipulated his children deeply , and at the same time has done that to Tammy for years and years . Do not forget he first was deeply involved with Julie Row and my guess is he also wanted to be with her . We also learned that Chud was using plagiarism as his main "inspiration " A friend of his Eric Smith once told that Chud after listening to someone with near death exp. suddenly also had those and started writing about them . That is when he also came up with "the wisdom" his wife would die early , no doubt he was clearing the way to get rit of her easily . The way the family is talking about Tammy is just indoctrinated and killing her character for a long time . The way Emma talks about her mom is just so denigrating She seemed the watch dog for Chud , anywhere Tammy would go Emma would have to go . Saying Tammy had no friends was also telling , while some of these no friends showed up to tell a whole different story then Emma did. It would be no wonder if Tammy would have become depressed at one point , this woman took care of her family in every way possible , and they just called her lazy . If they would have had to depend on Chud they would have had an even rougher time because he was lazy , besides his creating false narratives because in that he was verry busy . It seems Tammy wrote a book that was their publishing business best selling book , after that happened Chud made her add his name to it , he even wanted credit for something he had no part of. He clearly put himself as the leader of the pack , he was trying to create around his "prophecies " . All they did was lie about what happened the night Tammy died , we do know Alex 's phone pinged near their house , so maybe he did help Chad to finish the ordeal , and the plastic bag seems the most suitable looking at the rest of her injuries , arms held down . Chud is killing her twice , physically and also by defaming her on any level after and probably long before her murder. Burying her far away and not wanting his name added on her stone after being married for almost 30 years , is pure disgusting .
The best & likely most accurate account I’ve heard/read. Well done sir.
Wow, thanks!
I luv ur videos and how u break down all this craziness.
I agree 100% that he slept peacefully next to her dead body.
Well Garth’s friend just confirmed (for me) that wasn’t the case. Chad and Tammy stopped sleeping in the same space a long time ago. Same way Chad told Lori that Charles was possessed so she would stop sharing a bed/sleeping with Charles. Chad probably didnt sleep next to Tammy to not offend his goddess lover.
Malachite Watch a murderous heart (Joe Ryan’s sister is a brilliant analyst), she does an entire episode on their obsession with malachite
I'll check it out...
Cyanide...Emma claimed Tammy was light headed. Agree with your outlook on Emma also.
Good analysis opened up the mystery can
Appreciate your in depth analysis
I can tell you, when I was really depressed, I wanted to go to bed early, just to be left alone, and watch videos, and she went to bed and played games. I do think he was micro poisoning her, too. Some things can show up to be present as a natural part of the body decomposition, like GHb could be used for poisoning, but also shows up in the natural decomposition process.
Hey that was an amazing analysis!!!
Thanks 😁😁😁 really appreciate that 😁
@@pdquestions7673 I have been watching everything on this since the kids were missing in Hawaii - ur understanding of the old Mormon fundamental doctrine was rad!!! Ur brilliant thank u
@@emilysilver9844 thanks 😁😁 i really appreciate that 😁😁
Wow…I didn’t hear that before. The prosecution asking Emma if Chad ever told her someone was close to death and she says her mother. I wish they asked…is it interesting to you that he started saying that after he started cheating on your mom?
no kidding... there are so many questions that weren't asked in this case...
Original coroner was elected, had no medical degree, and performed no autopsy.
Defense M.E. wasn't present at the autopsy, took no other information into account.
*Exhumation M.E. did full autopsy, and considered all pertinent testimony*
Fan girl.here. lol. I love your takes. Medical, legal. Investigate experience are evident.
thanks, I really appreciate that 🙂
Another excellent video. Thanks!
This makes perfect sense to me. So interesting!
Excellent psychological theories explained!, very thoroughly postulated! So glad to have found your channel.
thanks :-) really appreciate that :-)
Fascinating ideas! Thank you for your thoughts.
thanks :-)
You have the most interesting coverage...more detail.
Thanks 😁😁
All Tammy’s friends at school said she was not tired
Wow! Really like your commentary! Glad I found your channel 😊
thanks, I really appreciate that :-)
Very interesting 👌
I think you are SO spot on regarding the children’s and Chads belief system. As well as way of strangulation.
When you evaluate each of the children’s answers & behaviors on video and in court, it’s the only thing that makes it all make sense.
Great explanation!
Just found your incredible channel…. New sub!
Bye 👋 (gonna go binge watch your other videos!) ☺️
Thanks, i really appreciate that 😁😁😁😁
I have told subscribers of other channels to check out your channel. I find you fair and impartial. True Crime, Faith and Chocolate might answer more pressing questions about the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I love that channel, and I'd be very interested to know how people in the LDS culture help crack the riddle of Emma's testimony.
@@pdquestions7673~
Ms. Murray has one foot in mainstream LDS doctrine and the other foot in old-timey, early LDS 19th Century fundamentalist doctrine. We respect the prophets through the past 200 years of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ but we follow the current Prophet Russell M. Nelson because he is the living prophet for our era. The gospel is living thus it is fluid and evolves. We believe that we can receive personal revelation and we learn line upon line, precept on precept, grace to grace as Jesus Christ did. We are all on our individual levels of understanding spiritual concepts and should not judge others against where we are and/or are not. The problem with following teachings of the past is we miss the fruits of the present day. Gauging our 2024 spiritual progression by 1830 teachings leaves us to live far below our spiritual privilege. It is also dangerous because static thoughts leave no room for growth and can lead to apostasy. Look at the fruits of Ms. Vallow and Mr. Daybell. Polygamy is from the past, it hasn't been sanctioned for well over a century.
"Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves."
~ Joseph Smith, Jr.
@@pdquestions7673I’m an active and devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In answer to your curiosity, I personally think that Emma perjured herself. She drank her dad’s koolaid. Chad has been brainwashing and manipulating her for her entire life. Even in saying that her beliefs are different from her dad’s, she doesn’t understand church doctrine.
She doesn’t want to believe that her dad could be part of such heinous acts. (And who can blame her for that?) She is just trying to keep him from life in prison or the death penalty. I don’t know her, but based on her public behavior, she has little to no integrity.
If I had a full-time job, then another job at home, plus depression, I'd be tired too. Not to mention that menopausal women tend to not sleep well. Tammy wasn't sick!
I'm hoping for new jail calls between Chad and Emma during rebuttal that support everyrhing Lindsey Blake asked Emma about (directions from Chad) during cross, which Emma denied. Maybe that's why Hermosillo is coming back to testify. There must be more concrete evidence out there that shows Emma and Garth are not being truthful like Jason MacKay's amazing testimony today.
oh man.. that would be bombshell evidence
@@pdquestions7673 Yeah!
Thanks PD for the best research tying in all the evidence and facts of this. The local coroner made a bad decision on what to do with Tammy's body while the evidence was fresh. All we have now are clues and need to make the best inference we can without conclusive evidence.
Tammy's CAUSE of death is asphyxia. The MANNER of death is what is unclear/inconclusive in this case. However, there is an increased probability due to the evidence that the asphyxia was due to a person/s rather than a medical event. A DIAGNOSIS can be viewed as either cause or manner of death and is an ambiguous word being used by the defence's witness in an attempt to cause reasonable doubt. A forensic pathologist used by the state could provide the clarification of this to remove any doubt. Joe Murray (Emma's husband) claims Tammy appeared exhausted on the day of her death. This might explain the cause of cardiac issues, but her autopsy showed her heart was fine. Appearing tired was likely due to her depression. Asphyxia was the cause of death it was her lungs, not her heart. Chemical asphyxia, such as cyanide blocks delivered via the method of microdosing, can create issues with the inability to absorb oxygen getting to the tissues. This is a method that is hard to detect as it dissipates very quickly from the body in small doses. This makes a person feel dizzy, not tired. There are other toxins that can affect the lungs or heart and are relatively undetectable if administered via microdosing, too, which might explain what happened to Alex as well.
Another case of a husband of the Morman faith who killed his wife via microdosing was that of James Craig in Colorado.
A plastic bag over the head is another cause of asphyxia.
Emma claimed Chad is aligned with traditional Mormon teachings/faith. So, it's likely that he may even be aligned with the teachings of Porter Rockwell and other early influential leaders who were actually into killing. In old LDS days, there was a thing called Blood Atonement. There were theories and doctrines going on in the church where if you were seen as sufficiently bad or dark enough that Jesus couldn't save you through atonement and therefore you had to have your blood spilled basically to save your soul. It's likely Emma is sympathetic to old LDS ideology where she has no issue with perjuring herself as the laws of Idaho to her are apostate and gentile laws. Emma is clearly in a regressed fundamentalist form of Mormonism like Chad. They are close and speak daily as she said.
It's likely Emms also agrees with some form of polygamy too which is why she doesn't express shock at her father's relationship with Lori and why she is willing to pay her commissary at Chad's request. Twisted religious ideology is clear in all this. Odd too that Emma has clearly changed her appearance and now looks less like Tammy and more like Lori coincidence?
As far as Emma is concerned, Chad has maintained his priesthood and convenance and she feels sorry for him having to have had to deal with Tammy in the dark state.
Chad is a gutless weak coward. Unlikely to manhandle anyone, so microdosing makes sense here. He's worked in the death industry and knows much more about it than most. On the evening of Tammy's death Chad likely administered a more tactical dose of cyanide to make her defenceless then he's let Alex in to put a bag over her head while Chad held her arms so Alex could finish the job. This explains why there were no physical signs of manual strangulation. Chad then needed to keep the body back after death for roughly 6 hours to make sure the extra boost of cyanide wasn't detected.
Chad convinced Alex in all this that he was a 'DESTROYER ANGEL' doing people a favour so that their spirit was free in the next world. We will never understand how these people can justify what they've done, but they are so entrenched in their beliefs that they don't care how we feel about it.
Chad and Lori deserve life sentences without parole because they are a danger to mainstream society, and their followers should be avoided and need to be kept on a very short leash and watched.
From what I have heard from another channel, who is an LDS member, she said men, who aren’t in higher positions can only bless and help members of their own family, not other people.
that's kind of what I understood
❓❓ Something I can’t wrap my head around. Why would Joe Murray cover for Chad Daybell? Wouldn’t he be concerned that the “apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” regarding Emma and the well being of his children❓❓
We can only guess for now, but maybe he's bought into the family doctrine...
I think he’s as weird as the rest of them.
@@pdquestions7673 Wasn't Joe chopping wood for the fire the night Tylee was burned?
I think your analysis is very close to their bizarre reality.
thanks.. I really appreciate your comments :-) :-)
With the rebuttal witnesses so far, I think Tammy was depressed and unhappy in her marriage. She and Chad may have been sleeping separately. Tammy may have been killed before midnight and Garth has been pressured to hide that his parents weren’t sleeping together, and to conform to Chad’s timeline. Emma and Garth are firmly on his side and have betrayed their mother.
Yes.. that sounds very realistic. In the lds world, apoearances matter a lot
A coworker of Tammy’s said that Tammy said that chad called her a zombie. The judge wouldn’t let in because it’s here say. So apparently Tammy had heard the term before. I don’t know about his kids but Tylee heard her mom say that she was a zombie and Tylee said no
Mom not me. I think that Melanie Gibb said that. Melanie p knew that Chad was calling two of her kids dark. And Melanie P said that she was Alex was going to be with her kids. Apparently Melanie P knew that meant that kids were going to be dying soon. Chad was telling some people that Tammy was going to die young and maybe he told his kids that too.
man, it's frustrating what gets excluded as hearsay. There's no one else to testify for Tammy, and there should be a hearsay exception for statements made by a person who is now dead. I think the kids should be made to see transcripts of all the texts between Chad and Lori, where Chad talks about hurting children, mocks Charles being killed by two bullets, and implies involvement in trying to get rid of Brandon... as a "gadeanton" or whatever he said. The kids are enclosed in a cocoon of willful ignorance, and it's just exasperating...
Your theory make a lot of sense!
I love your videos and how you break down the information that could be possibilities. They are very thought provoking. I think this very well could be how Tammy died.
thanks :-)
PD your analysis and observations are absolutely brilliant. Subbed just a few days ago after listening to you only once.
Thanks 😁😁
Great observations! Funny part, I kept telling myself that Chad must have felt, at times, like interrupting the prosecution's expert witnesses, screaming: "You're totally wrong! I didn't touch her and she had no bruises because I poisoned her!", or something else of that nature. Horrific, in the end, no matter how you rationalize it. And the way we had to realize, during the trial, how Tylee died, literally massacred, butchered (at least 16 peri-mortem wounds, said yesterday's expert), is horrific beyond words. We have to think Alex did this. But Chad was behind it as well.
No less guilty than Charles Manson
I think Chad gets off on hearing them theorising what happened and keeping his dirty little secret of what actually happened because he feels it gives him power. I bet he gets jittery when any of their questioning gets too close to the truth. He’s a thoroughly vile human but it’s scary how far these ripples of evil spread among these people.
This is excellent and so insightful! I agree with everything you said 100%
Finally someone who presents this information for exactly what it is - thank you!
Fascinating
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE MICRO DOSING!! ALSO, the Pink Foam coming from her Lungs...that's indicative of Arsenic Poisoning after death??? Also, Chad could begin to "Program those closest to your victim."
Your channel popped up on my feed probably because I’ve been following the Daybell trial. I just want to point out a couple of things (maybe the answer to one of them is in your earlier videos):
1. Your dad is a pathologist. What are YOUR qualifications?
2. When you “putting things out there” without any evidence to support your claims (i.e. Chad poisoning, microdosing, etc..) is reckless and part of the problem with getting news on platforms like YT. The toxicology report is available, and they found nothing suspicious, so to speculate is simply making sh8 up.
Thank you and good luck on your channel!
I think amateur opinions should be allowed... there has to be a place for grass roots commentary and speculation, but I realize not everyone would agree. Also, I never implied that my dad endorses or has anything to do with my speculation. I mentioned my dad only for the more general concept that a forensic pathology is not just a physician who makes medical diagnosis, but rather a doctor who is allowed to render opinions that have legal significance..so that some consideration of circumstances, and the formulation of inferences based on circumstances, can be appropriate. As for my background, I used to be a civil lawyer, but for the last 13 years I just do consulting and legal research for criminal defense attys.
It’s a win - win. Chad has a hot wife and Emma has a hot mom.
lol hot. Have u seen her jailhouse pics she’s an an old hag. U should see her mom-triple yikes.
that's probably close to what Emma thinks..
Lol great comment
She better be grateful she doesn't have to concern herself with her own children being, "rated".
I believe Garths first account from the 911 call "finding his Mother on the ground frozen". Chad just got home from the church after taking Alex back. I didn't think Alex was involved initially and that's why he drug in his own son to be devastated.
But now knowing Chad could have left temporarily and rather than call 911, Garth called Chad who was on his way home to clean up the scene and make things appear normal.
When in actuality it just makes Chad seem more evil for dragging his kids in on this heinous crime to cover for him.
They need to com clean or face the consequences. They shouldn't have had to testify in the first place against their biological father.
Emma called it an emotional affair on 48 Hours in 2021. She didn't believe then that it was physical between Chad and Lori.
Would be so happy if you would turn your gaze to the Dan Markel murder: the upper and lower classes, religion, murder for hire, a rogue family with an embarrassment of riches in terms of personality disorders …. Your fascinating analysis and lens would yield some incredible insights
If you look at my videos from like November and December, you'll see like 5 or 6 videos on that case. VERY interesting case, and I do see parallels between Melanie P and Wendi Adelson
It was a Friday night. The end of a work week. Why is anyone surprised that Tammy would naturally be exhausted? I'm exhausted on Friday nights.
nights.Weekends refresh us.
I wish you were the rebuttal witness! You did a great job of explaining this!
but they did call back the Medical Examiner from Utah, and he pretty much explained what needed to be said.
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Tammy knew what was going on and was so disappointed on her marriage trying to figure out how to move on. That doesn't mean she was going to die. She fought back to the best of her ability, which the bruises show, while he/they were murdering her.
Very sad
Great insights about the possible doctrines of the Chud cult. This case is Manson crossed with the Lafferty Brothers, so horrible and bizarre.