@@StreamHottieSuperSimp Stop recommending people loneliness, it's the last track on a concept record. It doesn't hit nearly as hard without Eternal Darkness right in front of it.
First off, Finnish vocals are a special breed of needing to get use to them. They are often more like a battle cry/scream as opposed to a low growl or a more standard mid-range scream like in the chorus of To The Hellfire before he goes super low. That being said, Jari's particular brand of battle cry is sort of one-note, and I agree that his singing voice out shines his harsh voice, but his harsh voice still fulfills its purpose more than adequately. It's about the balance of dynamics. I don't think this song would be anywhere near as good without those harsh sections to balance out the cleaner sections. Harsh vocals also allow for more lead lines to be played on other instruments because the vocals are staying in one frequency area. This isn't a necessary for more lead lines, even in metal as dense as this, just an added bonus. Second, bass guitar and metal. It's very common in metal for the bassist to play the bass as if it were a regular guitar due to the high tempos and amount of tremolo picking involved. Tremolo picking is where the player plays on one string with both up and down strokes. Perfect example is in this video when you thought Jari was playing on two strings at 5:30. He's just playing one note on one string, tremolo picking. For bassists, the style of play is a sound and preference thing, as finger picking, slap bass, and using a plectrum (guitar pick) all sound different. Thirdly, there are over 1600 backing tracks for this song. So there are lots of things going on in the computer and everyone has to stay perfectly in time or else everything is FUCKED. And fourth, some clarifying points to correct your vocabulary and understanding. At 10:00 when you ask if the tempo is increasing, what actually happened is, after that "break down" section that happened just prior to that, everything is being played with 16th note timing for the drums, after the drum fill and the steady beat comes back in, the time switches from 16th notes to a triplet feel. The tempo doesn't actually change, but there are more notes per measure and the snare drum is hitting on every beat. Now, towards the end of the song when you were speaking of how the guitar was rising one string or chord at a time, this is not what is happening. The chords actually stop progressing at that point and we are left sitting in one chord while the guitar is just rising one note at a time through the scale of that chord before it finally resolves with the grand finale. Special bonus, Jari, the main vocalist and composer, is missing about 1/4th of one of his lungs due to tuberculosis. If you want to do another Wintersun song that's arguably better and showcases Jari's clean vocals much more, check Time from the same rehearsal, don't listen to the people that tell you to do loneliness. That song is the last song on a concept record and listening to it kind of ruins the album experience.
It's really difficult to nail Wintersun down to a single genre. Their sound is definitely a mixture of popular European subgenres like Power Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Folk Metal, etc. but they do have Progressive Metal elements as well. So don't feel bad about not knowing the exact genre.
Based on their past affiliations I'd add symphonic black metal to the list, but you are right, you cannot easily put them into any single genre. But the music is composed like a movie score with orchestral elements in it, according to people who compose things like that, so it's more of a piece of music than a song with a single genre.
Death and the healing is amazing, and my favorite is loneliness (winter), both by wintersun Children of bodom - follow the reaper is a great song if you’re down for amazing solos. They’re also Finnish melodic death metal like wintersun. Love the reactions by the way, found you from a Lorna shore search. This genre is melodic death metal, but these Finnish bands are a mix of death, power, progressive and symphonic black metal. It’s known for crazy musician ship and harsh vocals mainly. When wintersun records jari (singer) does the keyboard stuff
The lead singer, Jari, lost part of a lung to tuberculosis. Yeah, he can still sustain those belts with like 70% of the lung capacity that he used to have. I like his distorted vocals. I think it's just an extreme version of a fry scream, but I could be wrong about that. My criteria for that type of vocal is can I still understand the lyrics? If so, I'm fine with it, and he does quite well in that regard I think. His clean vocals are really good too though. I was kinda meh about him at first but the more songs I listened to he grew on me. The drummer, Kai, is world class. He's a machine. I think the part where you asked if the tempo was increasing, it actually wasn't. But they were playing around with the time signature, or just syncopating the rhythm so that it has this really forward driving feel to it. Makes you think it's accelerating when it isn't. Both the drummer (Kai) and the bassist (Jukka) are currently with Nightwish.
Man I'm glad you are covering stuff other reactions creator aren't. Wintersun is so good! More death metal please! EDIT: Archspire - Golden mouth of ruin Check these guys out man. 8 string guitars and 6 string bass. They are unreal
I’d consider this album to be more of a mix of melodic death metal (melodeath) and symphonic metal. The first album was closer to pure melodeath, and the last album was sort of a mix of symphonic, folk, and black metal.
Wintersun is one of those bands who mix different styles of music into their sound. So, in short - you can't really put Wintersun in a specific category, since they incorporate so many different styles. Folk, technical death metal, black metal, power metal, symphonic... The vocalist (Jari ) was before in a band called Ensiferum, which is in the ball park of folk metal - but has also done black metal and other styles of extreme metal. His vocal style (the raspy highs) is very typical in black metal, but like you said - he has incredible range and everything he does, is intentional. He composes all the songs of the band. The other guitarist (Teemu) was in a band called Imperanon, which was melodic death metal. The bassist (Jukka) was in a band called Norther, which also was melodic death metal. Now he is playing in Nightwish with the drummer (Kai). These guys were part of the finnish metal scene in the late 90's - early 00's, and all these members have connections to bands and people that went onto do big stuff around the world. All seasoned professionals and musicians at a level that I think very few people can ever tackle. And probably can't because how much they left a mark in modern metal music we hear today.
Great reaction dude, thank you 😃👏🏻 Great band, crazy good performance. I too would recommend deal and frost and time from the same session. Mind blowing 👍🏻🤘🏻
One reason you noted him sounding so good is about ability to add effects to his voice. High caliber singers have large toolbox of various effects they can add when needed, for example making the cleans sound more full and broad. But there are also backing tracks.
Next songs to react: Wintersun - Time (TIME I Live Rehearsals At Sonic Pump Studios) REMASTER ruclips.net/video/4UMwLxFNKS0/видео.html Wintersun - Land of snow and sorrow - Live rehearsal @ Sonic Pump Studios ruclips.net/video/cZB6JVllJSg/видео.html
Great reaction man I love the way that you break things down and actually spend the time to talk about individual things in the music and actually talk about the music self instead of just posting the reaction and saying “good song”, I watched almost all your videos and spend the day while I was at work, I’d really love it if you would check out some songs by my favorite metal band Spite they just released a new album that long ago and all of the songs are top-tier
The concept album:Forest seasons is also a speciality 🤗 Even tho I'm 55years old, I have found that this type of music appeals to me 🥰 I had to listen to that album a couple of times, and suddenly a lot of things start to appear, and especially Winter( loneliness) gives me the goosebumps 🥰🥰 That one he wrote to his father, when he passed, and I would'nt mind if that was played at my own funeral! (Don't worry there is no date yet 😄😄) Greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰
This song has over 200 backing tracks for some of the background vocals and other instruments including keyboards. They had to delay publishing this because when it was created, the editing equipment couldn't handle that many tracks. They had to wait for the technology to catch up.
I forgot to mention that "progressive" doesn't mean any specific kind of sound. All progressive means when speaking of musical genres is that it doesn't follow standard song structures like, for example, intro verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus chorus. There is progressive music in any genre. Also, you were right to feel like you were on a heroes journey as I feel that's what this song represents, also also, this song is technically in 4 parts.
I really enjoyed this reaction. Thank you for posting it! Been a fan of metal for decades, but just recently found Wintersun myself. For me, it was very interesting to follow your journey in this particular song. And I appreciate your perspective.
Didn't really expect to watch Wintersun here but glad you liked them. So many good melodeath bands from Northern Europe to check, hope you enjoy the journey. I would recommend Opeth as they're amazingly deep but melodic.
I personally think a good jumping on point for Opeth is Harlequin Forest; it was my first, and probably favorite, Opeth track. I know some may disagree, but I prefer the live at the Royal Albert Hall version to the album, plus you get to meet the band that way.
The whole Forest of the seasons is worth listening to. From the Spring to the Winter. Shows pretty well all what Jari is able to do. In spite of his partial failure in his other lung..
Wintersun falls under a ton of genres. It can be Progressive, Symphonic, Death, Black, Folk or whatever permutation of those words or even maybe add some other genres. I'd classify this song as all of the 5 subgenre's of music that I've stated.
Their bass player and drummer are also now in Nightwish. The guy you said is that a bass? Yes it's a bass. Appreciate that you recognize your own limits and ask for more info. A 5 string bass is usually tuned with a low B on the lowest string, similarly to a 7 string guitar which they are using. The rasp from Jari is intentional. It's common in black and death metal. To see a good example of someone switching between raspy and guttural check out anything from The Black Dahlia Murder's singer Trevor (RIP).
if you liked this one man i highly suggest a song by opeth they have such an amazing library of music all of its ranges so far and is so so very unique a good song i would suggest is either "Ghost of Perdition" or "windowpane" super interesting music always different every time u hear a song by them always great to see people sharing music with you and everyone youve been able to pull together and make a community with super awesome i love it :edit i would also love to see you share "testament" one of my personal favorites by them is "Children of the Next Level" its awesome the guitars and vocals have a super captivating sound its also a song you could sing along with even though its death metal
Yes, there IS a bass guitar there. And it has 5 strings. And the bass player from Wintersun is now an official member of Nightwish. He replaced Marco after his official departure from the band.
The reason the bass playing seems weird is partially because in many genres basists and music itself are less versatile. And as bass strings are damn thick, it's also some good effort to change chords at that pace. If you want to see bass playing pretty much like a guitar, check Jinjer. (Pisces live session is the usual starting point)
Greetings from Helsinki, Finland. Hometown of Wintersun. Thx for a very nice reaction video. You must research more to Finnish metal. It is a real metal not a commercial shit...
I think people need to stop worrying about metal genres. They let that get in the way of their song choices. Wintersun is wintersun that's all I care about
You can find a bass guitar with 4,5 or 6 string, it's more common in technical death metal songs like this one If you want to feel in pirate ship try Alestorm Keep the good work
I think its pretty apparent that at this time in my YT career, i didn’t know much about this genre or its instruments. Thats kinda the whole premise around my channel, is to get exposed to new music and learn about the culture of these new genres.
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Yes there's a bassist. He's seen from the very beginning until the end. Two guitarists, bassist and drummer. And hell-of-a-lot backing tracks.
Wait till you listen to "Darkness and frost & Time" from the same rehearsal
Agreed! 👍🏼🤘🏼
What about Time, and Loneliness :)
@@StreamHottieSuperSimp Stop recommending people loneliness, it's the last track on a concept record. It doesn't hit nearly as hard without Eternal Darkness right in front of it.
@@ThaBeatConductor but... but... It's a great song 🙂
@@StreamHottieSuperSimp Agreed, but you wouldn't tell someone to watch the last 20 minutes of a movie first, would you? Same idea.
First off, Finnish vocals are a special breed of needing to get use to them. They are often more like a battle cry/scream as opposed to a low growl or a more standard mid-range scream like in the chorus of To The Hellfire before he goes super low. That being said, Jari's particular brand of battle cry is sort of one-note, and I agree that his singing voice out shines his harsh voice, but his harsh voice still fulfills its purpose more than adequately. It's about the balance of dynamics. I don't think this song would be anywhere near as good without those harsh sections to balance out the cleaner sections. Harsh vocals also allow for more lead lines to be played on other instruments because the vocals are staying in one frequency area. This isn't a necessary for more lead lines, even in metal as dense as this, just an added bonus.
Second, bass guitar and metal. It's very common in metal for the bassist to play the bass as if it were a regular guitar due to the high tempos and amount of tremolo picking involved. Tremolo picking is where the player plays on one string with both up and down strokes. Perfect example is in this video when you thought Jari was playing on two strings at 5:30. He's just playing one note on one string, tremolo picking. For bassists, the style of play is a sound and preference thing, as finger picking, slap bass, and using a plectrum (guitar pick) all sound different.
Thirdly, there are over 1600 backing tracks for this song. So there are lots of things going on in the computer and everyone has to stay perfectly in time or else everything is FUCKED.
And fourth, some clarifying points to correct your vocabulary and understanding. At 10:00 when you ask if the tempo is increasing, what actually happened is, after that "break down" section that happened just prior to that, everything is being played with 16th note timing for the drums, after the drum fill and the steady beat comes back in, the time switches from 16th notes to a triplet feel. The tempo doesn't actually change, but there are more notes per measure and the snare drum is hitting on every beat. Now, towards the end of the song when you were speaking of how the guitar was rising one string or chord at a time, this is not what is happening. The chords actually stop progressing at that point and we are left sitting in one chord while the guitar is just rising one note at a time through the scale of that chord before it finally resolves with the grand finale.
Special bonus, Jari, the main vocalist and composer, is missing about 1/4th of one of his lungs due to tuberculosis. If you want to do another Wintersun song that's arguably better and showcases Jari's clean vocals much more, check Time from the same rehearsal, don't listen to the people that tell you to do loneliness. That song is the last song on a concept record and listening to it kind of ruins the album experience.
I concuuuuurr 🥰🥰
It's really difficult to nail Wintersun down to a single genre. Their sound is definitely a mixture of popular European subgenres like Power Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Folk Metal, etc. but they do have Progressive Metal elements as well. So don't feel bad about not knowing the exact genre.
Based on their past affiliations I'd add symphonic black metal to the list, but you are right, you cannot easily put them into any single genre.
But the music is composed like a movie score with orchestral elements in it, according to people who compose things like that, so it's more of a piece of music than a song with a single genre.
Death and the healing is amazing, and my favorite is loneliness (winter), both by wintersun
Children of bodom - follow the reaper is a great song if you’re down for amazing solos. They’re also Finnish melodic death metal like wintersun. Love the reactions by the way, found you from a Lorna shore search.
This genre is melodic death metal, but these Finnish bands are a mix of death, power, progressive and symphonic black metal. It’s known for crazy musician ship and harsh vocals mainly. When wintersun records jari (singer) does the keyboard stuff
The lead singer, Jari, lost part of a lung to tuberculosis. Yeah, he can still sustain those belts with like 70% of the lung capacity that he used to have.
I like his distorted vocals. I think it's just an extreme version of a fry scream, but I could be wrong about that. My criteria for that type of vocal is can I still understand the lyrics? If so, I'm fine with it, and he does quite well in that regard I think. His clean vocals are really good too though. I was kinda meh about him at first but the more songs I listened to he grew on me.
The drummer, Kai, is world class. He's a machine. I think the part where you asked if the tempo was increasing, it actually wasn't. But they were playing around with the time signature, or just syncopating the rhythm so that it has this really forward driving feel to it. Makes you think it's accelerating when it isn't.
Both the drummer (Kai) and the bassist (Jukka) are currently with Nightwish.
Man I'm glad you are covering stuff other reactions creator aren't.
Wintersun is so good! More death metal please!
EDIT: Archspire - Golden mouth of ruin
Check these guys out man. 8 string guitars and 6 string bass. They are unreal
This is a great recommendation, you would like it. That or their video for Drone Corpse Aviator. It's pretty insane 😲🔥
If you liked this you would LOVE Unleash The Archers - Awakening, incredible musicianship, stunning vocals, makes you want to ride into battle!
I’d consider this album to be more of a mix of melodic death metal (melodeath) and symphonic metal. The first album was closer to pure melodeath, and the last album was sort of a mix of symphonic, folk, and black metal.
Wintersun is one of those bands who mix different styles of music into their sound.
So, in short - you can't really put Wintersun in a specific category, since they incorporate so many different styles. Folk, technical death metal, black metal, power metal, symphonic...
The vocalist (Jari ) was before in a band called Ensiferum, which is in the ball park of folk metal - but has also done black metal and other styles of extreme metal. His vocal style (the raspy highs) is very typical in black metal, but like you said - he has incredible range and everything he does, is intentional. He composes all the songs of the band.
The other guitarist (Teemu) was in a band called Imperanon, which was melodic death metal.
The bassist (Jukka) was in a band called Norther, which also was melodic death metal. Now he is playing in Nightwish with the drummer (Kai).
These guys were part of the finnish metal scene in the late 90's - early 00's, and all these members have connections to bands and people that went onto do big stuff around the world. All seasoned professionals and musicians at a level that I think very few people can ever tackle. And probably can't because how much they left a mark in modern metal music we hear today.
Damn, I thought I was the only one that knew about Imperanon. Shame they only made one album.
also kai (who is the drummer) hes also in nightwish witch ya might like. react to ghost love score or greatest show on earth
This is a complete Kai Hahto Show on the drums. He literally blastbeats the whole song.
Great reaction dude, thank you 😃👏🏻
Great band, crazy good performance. I too would recommend deal and frost and time from the same session. Mind blowing 👍🏻🤘🏻
One reason you noted him sounding so good is about ability to add effects to his voice.
High caliber singers have large toolbox of various effects they can add when needed, for example making the cleans sound more full and broad.
But there are also backing tracks.
Next songs to react:
Wintersun - Time (TIME I Live Rehearsals At Sonic Pump Studios) REMASTER ruclips.net/video/4UMwLxFNKS0/видео.html
Wintersun - Land of snow and sorrow - Live rehearsal @ Sonic Pump Studios ruclips.net/video/cZB6JVllJSg/видео.html
The song "Time" from this same session is also a must watch.
Great reaction man I love the way that you break things down and actually spend the time to talk about individual things in the music and actually talk about the music self instead of just posting the reaction and saying “good song”, I watched almost all your videos and spend the day while I was at work, I’d really love it if you would check out some songs by my favorite metal band Spite they just released a new album that long ago and all of the songs are top-tier
I cant wait TIME
Agreed and from same rehearsals! 👍🏼🤘🏼
The concept album:Forest seasons is also a speciality 🤗
Even tho I'm 55years old, I have found that this type of music appeals to me 🥰
I had to listen to that album a couple of times, and suddenly a lot of things start to appear, and especially Winter( loneliness) gives me the goosebumps 🥰🥰
That one he wrote to his father, when he passed, and I would'nt mind if that was played at my own funeral!
(Don't worry there is no date yet 😄😄)
Greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰
This song has over 200 backing tracks for some of the background vocals and other instruments including keyboards. They had to delay publishing this because when it was created, the editing equipment couldn't handle that many tracks. They had to wait for the technology to catch up.
It's actually +1600, but ridiculous either way.
A lot of Finnish bass players play with a pick because it creates a bigger tone. The bassist and drummer are now with Nightwish. Great reaction!!
I forgot to mention that "progressive" doesn't mean any specific kind of sound. All progressive means when speaking of musical genres is that it doesn't follow standard song structures like, for example, intro verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus chorus.
There is progressive music in any genre. Also, you were right to feel like you were on a heroes journey as I feel that's what this song represents, also also, this song is technically in 4 parts.
I really enjoyed this reaction. Thank you for posting it!
Been a fan of metal for decades, but just recently found Wintersun myself.
For me, it was very interesting to follow your journey in this particular song. And I appreciate your perspective.
Didn't really expect to watch Wintersun here but glad you liked them. So many good melodeath bands from Northern Europe to check, hope you enjoy the journey. I would recommend Opeth as they're amazingly deep but melodic.
I personally think a good jumping on point for Opeth is Harlequin Forest; it was my first, and probably favorite, Opeth track. I know some may disagree, but I prefer the live at the Royal Albert Hall version to the album, plus you get to meet the band that way.
I think Loneliness (Winter) is the song to hear if you like his clean vocals. Time is great too.
The whole Forest of the seasons is worth listening to. From the Spring to the Winter. Shows pretty well all what Jari is able to do. In spite of his partial failure in his other lung..
And regarding Jukka’s bass, while finger-style is more traditional, most metal bassist these days use picks for the sharper attack on the strings.
Nice reaction ! And btw keep it up man your channel is growing really fast ngl
That chanting sound is a pre-recorded choir in the background. And btw there is a bassist (bearded guy).
Wintersun falls under a ton of genres. It can be Progressive, Symphonic, Death, Black, Folk or whatever permutation of those words or even maybe add some other genres. I'd classify this song as all of the 5 subgenre's of music that I've stated.
Their bass player and drummer are also now in Nightwish. The guy you said is that a bass? Yes it's a bass. Appreciate that you recognize your own limits and ask for more info. A 5 string bass is usually tuned with a low B on the lowest string, similarly to a 7 string guitar which they are using. The rasp from Jari is intentional. It's common in black and death metal. To see a good example of someone switching between raspy and guttural check out anything from The Black Dahlia Murder's singer Trevor (RIP).
if you liked this one man i highly suggest a song by opeth they have such an amazing library of music all of its ranges so far and is so so very unique a good song i would suggest is either "Ghost of Perdition" or "windowpane" super interesting music always different every time u hear a song by them always great to see people sharing music with you and everyone youve been able to pull together and make a community with super awesome i love it
:edit i would also love to see you share "testament" one of my personal favorites by them is "Children of the Next Level" its awesome the guitars and vocals have a super captivating sound its also a song you could sing along with even though its death metal
Hehe, drums only version:
Kai Hahto performing Wintersun - Sons Of Winter And Stars (Drum Playthrough)
ruclips.net/video/tbb8m3wNXbs/видео.html
The Sun the moon the Stars is an amazing experience i would Like to see you reacting to It
Yes, there IS a bass guitar there. And it has 5 strings. And the bass player from Wintersun is now an official member of Nightwish. He replaced Marco after his official departure from the band.
The reason the bass playing seems weird is partially because in many genres basists and music itself are less versatile.
And as bass strings are damn thick, it's also some good effort to change chords at that pace.
If you want to see bass playing pretty much like a guitar, check Jinjer. (Pisces live session is the usual starting point)
Wintersun best band dude 🤘🤘🤘
Greetings from Helsinki, Finland. Hometown of Wintersun. Thx for a very nice reaction video. You must research more to Finnish metal. It is a real metal not a commercial shit...
I'm probably gonna leave you a 5-paragraph essay on this. Buckle up. I'm only half way through.
Shout out to the shout out though bro.
I N S O M N I U M - W H I L E W E S L E E P ( official )
This is dope as shit, thanks for showing this song to me. It sounds like its a mix of progressive metal and power metal.
React next to their song Time from this rehearsal.
Sup bro, love your vids. You should check out Infant Annihilator - Blasphemian
It’s definitely not that heavy
You're a funny guy 😅
i detect CAP
I think people need to stop worrying about metal genres. They let that get in the way of their song choices. Wintersun is wintersun that's all I care about
Yess i love lorna, stp, jinjer, spiritbox and ia but Wintersun is the shit for melodic death metal.
Yeeaaaaaaa my favorite song ever!!!!
Progressive orchestral metal with a sprinkle of black metal. But I think we should just call it epic metal :)
I heard this guy has just one lung. He lost one on the army. Crazy
He lost about 1/3 of one lung due to tuberculosis contracted while in the Finnish military.
My guy you need to react to Unleash the Archers!!!! Start with "Awakening"
would love to see you react to amongs stars by amorphis if ya like the melodic death metal sound
You can find a bass guitar with 4,5 or 6 string, it's more common in technical death metal songs like this one
If you want to feel in pirate ship try Alestorm
Keep the good work
I'd call this progressive/melodic death metal.
Jee! Terveisiä Suomesta!
Epic Progressive Power Death Folk Metal. Or just Metal
Dude, you're reacting to all the best songs all the time. 😅 You should check out Insomnium - The Conjurer sometime. 😊
Maybe you should react to some Metalrap The swedish band Clawfinger is amacing Start with Rosegrow live
Nihilus by carcosa is also good song you should react too
Cmon bro, let's watch paleface the orphan, it's my 4th attempt to introduce cool music for you
Hey man:) i have a queue of over 80 songs to react to and this is on the list i promise but it will be a while
Please react to vermin by carcosa
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Lil bro can't tell a 5 string bass from a 4 string......
I think its pretty apparent that at this time in my YT career, i didn’t know much about this genre or its instruments. Thats kinda the whole premise around my channel, is to get exposed to new music and learn about the culture of these new genres.