I read these comments and I can't believe how little people knew of this great man. His life could be one amazing movie without having to make things up like china did with Ip man.
Well only foreigners make money off of FMA and do tons of marketing and social media stuff and talk a lot online. The Filipino grandmasters are from a different time without the internet technology, and even so they were usually too poor to use the internet effectively for marketing lacking funds for cameras, internet upload speed etc. Only now they are doing more online. But still many do not do much. I trained with a master in the Philippines who is a slum dweller and lives near squatters and stuff. But you see many of the foreigners who do PTK and Kali Center type of people and Funker Tactical in western nations with more wealth getting all of the praise and popularity over the ones who deserve it.
@@MaharlikaAWA don't know about the only foreigners. Especially since I've trained under many Filipino instructors. From Ray Dionaldo, Apolo landra, and a few others who's names I can't spell.
@@richardhenry1969 ray dianaldo does flashy Hollywood crap that would never work. All his guys in USA are seminar types and just pay onto the multi level marketing and get ranks.
yeah but the ptk grps you can distinguish survival arts academy in LA led by gaje daughter and niece jamie yancovitz are SJW feminists liberals ptk smf tim waid are gun happy republicans in fact ptta is now being complained by ptk pilipinas and gaje due to intellectual property. its on fb yes gm henry espera is low profile but also uses fb and there was video in youtube using camera phone to record Adrien quidlat spar in Luneta😂
All great men converge into the path of greatness...whether they transcend from two different ends of the spectrum, they still come together in the middle and walk the same path. To all laymen fighters, Any regular Joe has no chance of withstanding a full FMA barrage much less live to tell the tale, though Tatang and his fluidity and GM Angel and his fluidity came through...in the end, they realized their fortes in their styles and taught it to the world...they didn't care for lineage.
There is so much similarity between Tatang's movement and that of Angel Cabales! It looks so familiar when I see this; I wish I'd known more about the common points in their background (particularly Dizon) when I met Ilustrisimo.
We are all escrimadors. We should not fight over things that happened in the past. We should be united. We should now think of a way how we can share and popularize the art that was left for us by the masters especially here in the Philippines. I'm really saddened now a days because only a handful practices this art in the Philippines.
Mainly foreigners practice it. They get all of the popularity. Pretty soon FMA will be a foreigner's martial art adopted and taken over from the Filipinos because not enough of you care to practice it. And all the foreigners will keep making up fake Filipino language terms for moves like panantukan lol. And other weird exotic tribal crap they make up haha
I agree. I'm now 59 & I kept my arts w/in the family for 40 years, bcoz of the unhealthy environment among FMA practitioners in the past. I came out only last year to answer the call of one concerned master who wanted to give FMA a boost in Negros Occ., Philippines. I don't care about originality... evolved fighters like Bruce Lee are better. Even great GMs didn't claim originality... somewhere along the line they borrowed or copied something from others to make their art better. You are right!
Hi, nice to see you here! I feel bad reading the comments of some where they throw insults at each other. Real masters should master not only their arts, but also their emotions & tongues. I met several aging masters & octogenarian GMs in our province, but I never heard them use foul language against their fellow FMA practitioners. You can see how they were taught by their own teachers. How we behave reflects the kind of arts & discipline that we represent. Real masters are few nowadays.....
There's a lot of similarity between Tatang's movement and Angel Cabales' escrima. Since you're a fan of Sultan Uddin, ask him; he met Tatang and confirmed it. Both GM's trained with Felicissimo Dizon, so there's the link.
Hmm. That's why GM Vicente Carin was so interested in my training in 1989. That's why Gen. Fabian Ver's former bodyguard was "shocked" to see "such an advanced system being practiced in the U.S." These guys didn't think Serrada was a joke. If you don't think it works go to Stockton, where Angel lived, and try any of his many students there. They're always happy to demonstrate to doubters.
I see. More experienced that Tatang, Jose Mena or Vicente Carin, who between them had nearly 200 years combined experience. At least I can say who said what and when, either directly to me or to someone I know well, but your unnamed sources are clearly superior.
in fact all the fma grandmasters like tatang illustrissimo,vicente carin ,timoteo maranga,benjamin luna lema and others use their systems against japanese soldiers in ww2 and kill them.and you see they survived the ww2 and fma was their tool.
Very good demonstration of unarmed defense to a machete (panang) long knife! :) This is very interesting video demonstration. I sense that even had the attacker been going full speed this grandmaster could have done same technique with ease. Very impressive! Peace be with you all! :)
There really is a resemblance, because escrima in one point in the Philippine's history was being practiced by everyone until the spaniards made it illegal to practice the said art. If you are going to observe the old escrimadors they walk, they talk and fight the same. Now a days the art is not as pure as it should be because the art now is being inserted by techniques from other forms of martial or fighting arts.
the fact that all of you griping about each other about what is and what is not FMA or particular styles is what will prevent the propogation of the art to be accepted by the global community at large. If we can't get along within our own circles of FMA, why would anyone else show respect to us?
BTW, you do know Angel was in a gang with Dizon, right? They called it "the Escrimador gang" and basically did protection for businesses on the waterfront. I don't know if Tatang ever worked with Dizon like that, but if he did, it would have been after Angel left the Philippines.
No, I don't know who you are; sorry you are so touchy. I merely pointed out that since you seem to respect Sultan Uddin, you might ask him about the similarities since he confirmed this himself with Tatang, as he's told me. I never said they are the same system, but have common elements. As for me, I met Tatang in Cebu and Manila, but I'm not in his system. I merely trained privately with Angel Cabales for six years and know most of his master students directly by training with them. You?
Yeah? So what? Angel lived most of his life in the U.S. and so had no students in the R.P. OTOH, Dizon was well known in the Philippines and highly respected by the other grandmasters, and what Angel taught was Dizon's style, only the teaching structure was changed.
Uh huh. And you base this on personal knowledge? Please explain. When I met Tatang, he didn't act that way, nor have any of his students whom I've met, and when Sultan visited and trained with him, Tatang specifically noted common roots in both styles, including hidden hand signals. Since the styles are similar in many ways and have common influences, what exactly would Tatang hate about it?
Respectfully, I'd like to see a mock blade at full speed to see how it works. Can't imagine this flying on the streets of Chicago. Demos are pretty though.
Hahaha...That is hilarious. Do yourself a favor and go study some Eskrima History. Cabales, Dizon and Villabrille bowed to Tatang as the undisputed head. They were all in a Eskrima gang for a while in the Tondo area. Every advanced level Eskrimdor knows this. Sorry to burst your bubble but none of these guys were in the same league as Tatang.
@@jimboy9630 Tatang Ilustrisimo was already involved in many realities as he was literally a very known swordsman throughout southest asia back then where he had duels with different sworsmen from different countries. Gaya ng sabi ko pre basahin mo ang history nya bilang duelist bago kung ano ano ang pinagsasabi nyo dyan bilang keyboard masters kunware tumuturo pa kayo sa mismong mga magagaling. Kaya gamitin mo nalang ang utak mo pls at sa nakikita mo naman sa videong eto, they are just trying to demonstrate different ways of itak disarming meaning these are only for tools just in case for the purpose of applying these in the rightful situation kapag nasa totoong laban kana.
@@takezodxr haha engot.. ee ikaw nga mismo sa dami mong alam tungkol sa kanya ni isa ba may nakuha kang kaalaman?? Nagamit mo ba? Ang tanong naging instructor kaba kagaya nya? Nasunod mo ba yapak nya?? Bat ayaw mo ituloy yan kung meron man? Hahah kagaguhan.. Sikat na sikat sya noon?? Sige kwento mo yan ee. Ang tanong sikat saan?? Sa sparring or sa totoong laban?? Hahah DK yoo nga na nagpaka dalubhasa sa martial arts. Binugbog lang ni pacman hahaha king ina mo subukan mo muna maging dalubhasa gaya sa narating ng idol mo.. saka moko turuan. Eee ikaw nga mismo wala kang alam hahaha pweee
Guy's. Cool yer jets. It's obvious that Mr Serrada is a master in what little (and obvious uneducated) mind he posseses. Let's see his video's and let's have him show us his contributions to the art.. Then maybe he will be worth listening to. Until then....... he's got nuttin.
And yet you and others use this to bash Serrada. I only know what I know from a couple of decades in these arts. "Fantasize" an old connection? We in Serrada know the history of our lineage, whereas you spout ignorance. Bye ...
Sorry your reasoning is so limited. You are claiming there is no merit to the system; I pointed out that highly experienced escrimadors in the Philipines had a different opinion. At least I have experience and facts behind what I say.
OK, you're a great warrior. However, YOU are the one who made the comment about Sultan being Angel's greatest, so all you're doing now is contradicting yourself. You also can't read intelligently, since my original post said I wish I'd known the connection between Tatang and Dizon when I met him. Done "discussing" this with someone who thinks like a 14 year old.
@@rethcidonl.elmedulan4961 bro demo lang mana. wla manay kinalaman sa tinuod na panghitabo, kasagaran lingaw lingaw lang, dile na mag ingon ang mag tutudlo na mao na ang inyong buhaton pag mag tinuoray.
I read these comments and I can't believe how little people knew of this great man.
His life could be one amazing movie without having to make things up like china did with Ip man.
Well only foreigners make money off of FMA and do tons of marketing and social media stuff and talk a lot online.
The Filipino grandmasters are from a different time without the internet technology, and even so they were usually too poor to use the internet effectively for marketing lacking funds for cameras, internet upload speed etc. Only now they are doing more online. But still many do not do much. I trained with a master in the Philippines who is a slum dweller and lives near squatters and stuff.
But you see many of the foreigners who do PTK and Kali Center type of people and Funker Tactical in western nations with more wealth getting all of the praise and popularity over the ones who deserve it.
@@MaharlikaAWA don't know about the only foreigners. Especially since I've trained under many Filipino instructors. From Ray Dionaldo, Apolo landra, and a few others who's names I can't spell.
@@richardhenry1969 ray dianaldo does flashy Hollywood crap that would never work. All his guys in USA are seminar types and just pay onto the multi level marketing and get ranks.
yeah but the ptk grps you can distinguish
survival arts academy in LA led by gaje daughter and niece jamie yancovitz are SJW feminists liberals
ptk smf tim waid are gun happy republicans
in fact ptta is now being complained by ptk pilipinas and gaje due to intellectual property. its on fb
yes gm henry espera is low profile but also uses fb and there was video in youtube using camera phone to record Adrien quidlat spar in Luneta😂
yes MLM fb grps social media savvy fmaers
All great men converge into the path of greatness...whether they transcend from two different ends of the spectrum, they still come together in the middle and walk the same path.
To all laymen fighters, Any regular Joe has no chance of withstanding a full FMA barrage much less live to tell the tale, though Tatang and his fluidity and GM Angel and his fluidity came through...in the end, they realized their fortes in their styles and taught it to the world...they didn't care for lineage.
There is so much similarity between Tatang's movement and that of Angel Cabales! It looks so familiar when I see this; I wish I'd known more about the common points in their background (particularly Dizon) when I met Ilustrisimo.
We are all escrimadors. We should not fight over things that happened in the past. We should be united. We should now think of a way how we can share and popularize the art that was left for us by the masters especially here in the Philippines. I'm really saddened now a days because only a handful practices this art in the Philippines.
Mainly foreigners practice it. They get all of the popularity. Pretty soon FMA will be a foreigner's martial art adopted and taken over from the Filipinos because not enough of you care to practice it. And all the foreigners will keep making up fake Filipino language terms for moves like panantukan lol. And other weird exotic tribal crap they make up haha
I agree. I'm now 59 & I kept my arts w/in the family for 40 years, bcoz of the unhealthy environment among FMA practitioners in the past. I came out only last year to answer the call of one concerned master who wanted to give FMA a boost in Negros Occ., Philippines. I don't care about originality... evolved fighters like Bruce Lee are better. Even great GMs didn't claim originality... somewhere along the line they borrowed or copied something from others to make their art better. You are right!
Hi, nice to see you here! I feel bad reading the comments of some where they throw insults at each other. Real masters should master not only their arts, but also their emotions & tongues. I met several aging masters & octogenarian GMs in our province, but I never heard them use foul language against their fellow FMA practitioners. You can see how they were taught by their own teachers. How we behave reflects the kind of arts & discipline that we represent. Real masters are few nowadays.....
That's because if masters from that generations ran their mouths or were overly boisterous or disrespectful, they'd soon get challenged to a fight.
Wow! Great skills! A Great Grand Master!
I agree 100%
Very good words.
There's a lot of similarity between Tatang's movement and Angel Cabales' escrima. Since you're a fan of Sultan Uddin, ask him; he met Tatang and confirmed it. Both GM's trained with Felicissimo Dizon, so there's the link.
The one, the only ! ! Grandmaster Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo .
Hmm. That's why GM Vicente Carin was so interested in my training in 1989. That's why Gen. Fabian Ver's former bodyguard was "shocked" to see "such an advanced system being practiced in the U.S." These guys didn't think Serrada was a joke. If you don't think it works go to Stockton, where Angel lived, and try any of his many students there. They're always happy to demonstrate to doubters.
Ayuh Yan I dol
Go to Tondo, Manila in Luneta Park and try bring up your issue with the Ilustrsimo guys there. They are in front of Manila Hotel. Good Luck!
I see. More experienced that Tatang, Jose Mena or Vicente Carin, who between them had nearly 200 years combined experience. At least I can say who said what and when, either directly to me or to someone I know well, but your unnamed sources are clearly superior.
in fact all the fma grandmasters like tatang illustrissimo,vicente carin ,timoteo maranga,benjamin luna lema and others use their systems against japanese soldiers in ww2 and kill them.and you see they survived the ww2 and fma was their tool.
Its how you master the art.
Very good demonstration of unarmed defense to a machete (panang) long knife! :) This is very interesting video demonstration. I sense that even had the attacker been going full speed this grandmaster could have done same technique with ease. Very impressive! Peace be with you all! :)
Don't forget Ray Floro.
Tatang had one of the last duels. Kris and barong.🇦🇺
There really is a resemblance, because escrima in one point in the Philippine's history was being practiced by everyone until the spaniards made it illegal to practice the said art. If you are going to observe the old escrimadors they walk, they talk and fight the same. Now a days the art is not as pure as it should be because the art now is being inserted by techniques from other forms of martial or fighting arts.
the fact that all of you griping about each other about what is and what is not FMA or particular styles is what will prevent the propogation of the art to be accepted by the global community at large. If we can't get along within our own circles of FMA, why would anyone else show respect to us?
BTW, you do know Angel was in a gang with Dizon, right? They called it "the Escrimador gang" and basically did protection for businesses on the waterfront. I don't know if Tatang ever worked with Dizon like that, but if he did, it would have been after Angel left the Philippines.
No, I don't know who you are; sorry you are so touchy. I merely pointed out that since you seem to respect Sultan Uddin, you might ask him about the similarities since he confirmed this himself with Tatang, as he's told me. I never said they are the same system, but have common elements. As for me, I met Tatang in Cebu and Manila, but I'm not in his system. I merely trained privately with Angel Cabales for six years and know most of his master students directly by training with them. You?
Yeah? So what? Angel lived most of his life in the U.S. and so had no students in the R.P. OTOH, Dizon was well known in the Philippines and highly respected by the other grandmasters, and what Angel taught was Dizon's style, only the teaching structure was changed.
cabales had the privelage of being tatangs stickboy on occasion. angel undoubtedly picked up a few pointers in the presence of the maestro.
Uh huh. And you base this on personal knowledge? Please explain. When I met Tatang, he didn't act that way, nor have any of his students whom I've met, and when Sultan visited and trained with him, Tatang specifically noted common roots in both styles, including hidden hand signals. Since the styles are similar in many ways and have common influences, what exactly would Tatang hate about it?
Respectfully, I'd like to see a mock blade at full speed to see how it works. Can't imagine this flying on the streets of Chicago. Demos are pretty though.
Parang yung pangalawang dis arming niya hinawakan yung talim nang itak ay masyadong delikadO
Hahaha...That is hilarious. Do yourself a favor and go study some Eskrima History. Cabales, Dizon and Villabrille bowed to Tatang as the undisputed head. They were all in a Eskrima gang for a while in the Tondo area. Every advanced level Eskrimdor knows this. Sorry to burst your bubble but none of these guys were in the same league as Tatang.
hnd kapanipaniwala ang galaw subrang bagal,kng ako may hawak ng itak aba madidisgrasya cya...
In real situation putol ang kamay mo..
Walang aatake ng malapit gamit ang itak kasi mahaba naman yan bat pa lalapit..
Do you even know who Tatang Ilustrisimo is? No disrespect but go read his story before you say bs stuff like that man
@@takezodxr
Do you even know me? Hahaha naku. Don lang tau sa reality wag sa sparring
@@jimboy9630 Tatang Ilustrisimo was already involved in many realities as he was literally a very known swordsman throughout southest asia back then where he had duels with different sworsmen from different countries. Gaya ng sabi ko pre basahin mo ang history nya bilang duelist bago kung ano ano ang pinagsasabi nyo dyan bilang keyboard masters kunware tumuturo pa kayo sa mismong mga magagaling.
Kaya gamitin mo nalang ang utak mo pls at sa nakikita mo naman sa videong eto, they are just trying to demonstrate different ways of itak disarming meaning these are only for tools just in case for the purpose of applying these in the rightful situation kapag nasa totoong laban kana.
@@takezodxr haha engot.. ee ikaw nga mismo sa dami mong alam tungkol sa kanya ni isa ba may nakuha kang kaalaman?? Nagamit mo ba? Ang tanong naging instructor kaba kagaya nya? Nasunod mo ba yapak nya?? Bat ayaw mo ituloy yan kung meron man? Hahah kagaguhan..
Sikat na sikat sya noon?? Sige kwento mo yan ee. Ang tanong sikat saan?? Sa sparring or sa totoong laban?? Hahah DK yoo nga na nagpaka dalubhasa sa martial arts. Binugbog lang ni pacman hahaha king ina mo subukan mo muna maging dalubhasa gaya sa narating ng idol mo.. saka moko turuan. Eee ikaw nga mismo wala kang alam hahaha pweee
Guy's. Cool yer jets. It's obvious that Mr Serrada is a master in what little (and obvious uneducated) mind he posseses. Let's see his video's and let's have him show us his contributions to the art.. Then maybe he will be worth listening to. Until then....... he's got nuttin.
And yet you and others use this to bash Serrada. I only know what I know from a couple of decades in these arts. "Fantasize" an old connection? We in Serrada know the history of our lineage, whereas you spout ignorance. Bye ...
Sorry your reasoning is so limited. You are claiming there is no merit to the system; I pointed out that highly experienced escrimadors in the Philipines had a different opinion. At least I have experience and facts behind what I say.
OK, you're a great warrior. However, YOU are the one who made the comment about Sultan being Angel's greatest, so all you're doing now is contradicting yourself. You also can't read intelligently, since my original post said I wish I'd known the connection between Tatang and Dizon when I met him. Done "discussing" this with someone who thinks like a 14 year old.
Matang ug akoy patakbason ambot lang ug di mahiwa ng imong mga kamot promise
Hambog raka kaayo bro..
Practice rana sila g slow motion para ma observed sa student ang technique.
Asa may nakahambog ana bro? Matang ug sa tinood nga tinakbasay mahimo kaha nimo na? na center lang ka do!
@@rethcidonl.elmedulan4961 bro demo lang mana. wla manay kinalaman sa tinuod na panghitabo, kasagaran lingaw lingaw lang, dile na mag ingon ang mag tutudlo na mao na ang inyong buhaton pag mag tinuoray.
Kalokohan..
Sorry but you do not grab the blade.my respect to g.m
2008 - the year that everyone could fall up for total bullshido like this one