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Quelques images et vidéos des prototypes du Moteur Gendron.
L'avantage de ma géométrie :
Tout les moteurs électrostatiques n'utilise qu'une fraction de l'énergie électrique entrée. Il ont un rendement théorique maximum de 50 % (de 10% à 40% en pratique).
Mon brevet porte sur une géométrie donnant accès à 100 % de l'énergie électrique entrée ( approximativement 75% à 80 % en pratique).
Il faut comprendre que les prototypes ne sont pas des produits finis de mon moteur électrostatique. Ces prototypes m'ont seulement permis de valider la géométrie ainsi que mon modèle mathématique. Ces prototypes n'ont aucun système de connecteur ou commutateur. Les pôles du rotor obtiennent leur charge électrique lorsqu'ils croisent les pôles du stator. Cela se fait par un arc électrique... Cela entraîne une perte de tension et des pertes thermique. Cette technique n'est tout de même pas à rejeter.
La prochaine étape :
Mon but est d'augmenter le nombre de pôles stator et rotor de 48 pôles à 96 pôles ; dans un diamètre de 3.150'' (80mm) Dia. Avec ce nombre de pôles, on pourrait alors diminuer la tension de 3000 V à 1500V.
Les pôles passeront donc d'une épaisseur de 0.020'' à 0.010''.
Avec une tension de 1500V (+750V -750V), je peux fabriquer un contrôle à transistor pour le moteur DC mais aussi un pour une version AC. Aussi, plus on diminue la tension, plus on diminue le risque de décharge électrique indésirable... les fameux claquages que l'on entend dans la vidéo.
Pour plus de détails, vous pouvez consulter mon brevet américain: US 6,353,276 B1
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Some images and videos of prototypes Gendron's Motor.
The advantage of my geometry:
Any electrostatic motor uses only a fraction of the input electrical energy. It has a maximum theoretical yield of 50% (10% to 40% in practice).
My patent is a geometry giving access to 100% of the electrical energy input (approximately 75% to 80% in practice).
Understand that prototypes are not finished electrostatics motors. These prototypes were only allowed me to validate the geometry and my mathematical model.
These prototypes have no system connector or switch. The rotor poles get their electric charge when crossing the stator poles. This is done by an electric arc ... This causes a loss of voltage and thermal losses. But, this technique is not to reject for now.
The next step:
My goal is to increase the number of stator poles and rotor poles 48 to 96 poles; in diameter 3.150'' (80mm) Dia. With this number of poles, we could then reduce the voltage 3000V 1500V.
Therefore the poles move from thick 0.020'' to 0.010''.
With a voltage of 1500V (+750 V-750V), I can make a transistor controler for a DC motor but also for an AC motor versions. The more we diminish the tension, the greater the risk of unwanted electrical discharge is reduced ... the famous spark that we hear in the video.
For more details, you can read my US patent: US 6,353,276 B1 
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Brilliant!
P.S.: May I suggest filling the motor with some inert gas? That should help with arc suppression, bringing up the efficiency considerably.
Beautiful work! Thank you for openly sharing it to a community of people. It is much appreciated and allows more people to contribute to these technologies. Cordialement
Great design and construction! I bet you are very proud of this motor :)
Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
Love it! I would like to see someone make a 3-phase electrostatic controller/motor. Would love to see a overall efficiency test someday
Excellent travail de titan intellectuellement parlant !
I think it will be fantastic reaserch in moter , Fabulous Work...bro. Love from India
Thank you so much
Magnificent build, I wonder what is the mechanical power compared to weight that you managed to archieve.
Make it like a tesla turbine.
Very very good. You will get higher RPM with an coaxial design, comb through comb, where the flat side of the comb is facing parallel with the direction of the wind drag and the transmitter and receiver electrodes are a combs too.. Gets very close and everything gets much tighter and the voltage can be lowered. Potential rpm for these motors are insane because of the high voltages they can run.
That is one monster of a build, you just earned yourself another subscriber.
Nice work, That's some very precision building. I love the sound and little sparks..
Merci / Thank you
well wonderfull desidgened i have made a eletrostatic motor my self but to not a degree as you but close to to what you got and all of my parts were made with little tools avable but it does out put around a quarter of a horse power but my question for you is what power are you applying to this engine and how much torque can it output?
very highly impressive & elegant design & build & vid.
I had found a motor just like this when laser saber started working on atmospheric energy. But you made it. Do you have Diy plans?
OK I see you give description. But how do you cut those slots for the metal comb to sit in and why are they painted?
Why are they insulated ?? In the images, the stators look like they are insulated with red and black paint. I'm confused.
Because it’s static
That's a sweet running motor!
Cool. I wonder if one was designed I side out. Have the stationary piece in the center and the rotor outside. Also, what if they were pointed turbine fins? What if a flywheel with magnets was made to spin on the shafft with some pickupcoils?
I've never seen this style of motor... looks very interesting... Is it possible to make an "electro'static coil"?
Truly Impressive !!!
Waouh ! Je suis très impressionné par votre travail. Et votre vidéo m'amène à poser pleins de questions!
Moi même je m’intéresse à l'électrostatique depuis deux ans, j'ai fabriqué sur mon temps libre deux générateurs, un Whimshurst et un Van de graff, avec des résultats très satisfaisants. La finesse de votre réalisation est incroyable! J'imagine que pour la découpe des pôles du rotor et du stator tout à été fait en numérique (découpe laser ou jet d'eau haute pression?).
Le choix du persulfate d'ammonium par rapport au perchlorure de fer et dû à quoi? Est ce qu'un traitement de surface à été appliqué ensuite? Pour les circuit imprimé, j'utilise de l'étain chimique à froid qui aide à protéger contre l'oxydation.
Sur mes deux générateurs se crée un dépôt noir (de carbone?) sur les pointes collectrices de charges. Avez vous ce problème sur les pôles de votre moteur (je vois des arcs à l'intérieur) ou est il sous pression de gaz (style SF6, ou hydrogène comme pour le Felici?)
Encore une question , comment ont été fabriqué le rotor et le stator, avec toutes ces encoches (impression 3D) ou technique d'usinage? Le choix du matériau (PC , PMMA, ABS, Nylon) est il déterminant?
Encore félicitation pour cette réalisation !
Les pôles ont été usinés par EDM (Electro Descharge Machining). Le stator est une impression 3D, le rotor a été usiné dans une barre d'acrylique avec une lame ronde dentelée de 20 mil.
Pas sous pression, pas de gaz.
Difficile d'éviter le carbone lorsqu'il y a décharges électriques. Pour cette version de moteur, il faut comprendre que les pôles servent aussi de commutateur. Mais le but ultime c'est bien sûr un contrôle électronique.
J'utilise le persulfate d'ammonium car c'est moins salop ! ....
Si vous voulez plus d'information sur la réalisation et le fonctionnement de ce moteur regardez ceci:
ruclips.net/video/g22G2bwujzY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/OeWU7k9893Y/видео.html
Amazing work! Well done! Very neat indeed. Do these motors have high startup torque? Can it drive anything like a small compressor, water pump, or maybe a small test vehicle if scaled up? Regards, from South Africa.
This engine is designed for aerospace applications: small engine, lighter, more efficient than small conventional engine in the same power range.
In fact this engine is ideal for micro engines (MEMS) of less than 1mm diameter.
Therefore not ideal for large motor app.
Ok, thank you! Just a thought...since its more efficient...
It is virtually impossible to wind electromagnetic coils at the size of mems motors leaving electrostatic motors the best for that size.
There is no coil in this type of engine@@kreynolds1123
@@TheDanielGendron errrr, thank you. My comment actually contrast conventional electromagnetic motors with electrostatic motors. Maybe to avoide the potential for confusion, i could have said electrostatic motors can be made much smaller than conventional motors that need phusical space for coils to be wound.
what a cool engine!
Excellent work. So it's DC 1500V, how many amps does it draws? a few mA?
I like it great job ! when can I buy one :)
Super! Thank you very much!
Love IT, amazing 😍, Well done
Fantastic!
What is your opinion of C-Motive start up design of electrostatic motor using disc shaped rotor and stator?
really impressive AWESOME!
what happens when you use discs on the rotor?
Yay!!! Soooo Awsum! ^^D thanx
Bonjour Daniel.
Je veux demander si votre moteur peut être utilisé comme moteur de traction pour une voiture électrique.
Avez-vous eu le temps de faire un test avec ce moteur monté sur une voiture électrique?
Est-il actuellement produit dans l'usine? Où exactement? Merci d'avance.
most, most excellent sir. thanks for putting this up! that is some beautiful work. i have to assume you dont mind us trying to replicate the Gendron motor? nobody in my community is looking to gain anything but knowledge to share.
think about it electrostatic jet engines uses battery's to lift off then when high altitude it uses atmospheric power to run and recharge the batterys.
Is this the principle of the otc-x1?
I would love to see this in a vacuum chamber!!
Me too.
The internal design is not aerodynamic.
Removing oxygen from the equation should cause the engine to stall from the lack of ionized particles such as the plasma engine
Old idea for a ES motor. have you made any output torque measurements?
Add a cluster of these and make some usable power to charge up caps or battery banks. That would be nice.
Have you tried replacing the air with a less dense air like nitrogen or helium
I want to get a schematic of your eletrostatic motor. How does it work.. Where can i get that.
How much torque does it have?
Beautiful engineering , sound then this fantastic ... this blue solution is an abrasive ? That's how you isolate the poles of the stator ? This electromagnetic stator is one of the best I've seen ... what his strength ? you have some LiPO 4S 65C battery discharge test and peak performance? Our 'm impressed , this Thorium your listing? This element is the future of energy paid in the world ... before substitute for free
Ammonium Persulfate dissolved copper. It is used for printed circuit fabrication.
The solution turns blue due to the Cu dissolved in the solution.
Brazil used in iron perchloride for that function.... This motor Gendron priciple is great! send me a mail for talk more... andremendes2004@gmail.com
ruclips.net/video/g22G2bwujzY/видео.html
Great job. How much power does it use? what do you use to generate HV?
Merci (thank you)
You can write what materials the combs ( electrodes ) are made of @@TheDanielGendron
How do we manipulate the rpm?? Can a potentio meter be used to increase or decrease the voltage to manipulate the speed??
ruclips.net/video/eNQMF6zPjkQ/видео.html
Are these working on in ac power?
Nice! How you chose way of rotation or randomly ?
Hi.
There are two groups of poles so it can turn in both directions.
A three-phase version (3 group of poles) and a 3-phase control circuit should work.
The commutators move electrons on and off of the rotor fins. Those fins will attract and repel stator fins depending on the charges. Changing the orientation of the commutator, one can cause the motor to spin one way or the other.
Cooooool
is this enough powerful to drive a bike?
No!
can we strenghten it to make it do it? seriously we should do that
Matevž Cimermančič Using a configuration of gears in order to reduce a bit the speed but increasing the strength, it should work ;)
daniel does this work from a tesla coil ?
yes
Wie hoch ist den der Wirkungsgrad bei diesem Motor??
"World-Shaking Generator" or "True power of capacitor"
Inward Voltage of capacitor is a Great thing, it's Tremendous and it would only
increase on its way IN (through some thin wire) to the mid- plane.
But mid-plane is "free-way Out" (as "+" and "-" equally far)
Out with all of its great Might(Voltage). (Mid-plane is e geometry plane , not some real object)
Way IN unexpectedly allow us to unleash great power
(Outward Voltage of capacitor so low because because of suppressive force to
way-Out (but non suppressive force on way-IN) It's great that way-IN could
solve it (Unshackle charge) which is really unexpectedly)
In short - It's "UNLIMITED POWER " because Discharge Voltage much greater then Charge Voltage, meanwhile amount of charge the same
Even though for now its only Theory
It's really World-Shaking and really Unexpectedly
Hi, can you give me list or a link where i can buy all parts?
Thanks
Good work ! are you selling such motors?
Nice!
Hello Mr. Gendron, a little question, I know that your electrostatic motor is designed for aerospace purposes, but, Can someone else get your product?
I never put this motor into mass production.
Anyone can build this type of motor...
There is a Japanese company building it.... after my patent was public.
Daniel Gendron Thanks for answering my question ;)
So the Electrostatika car is a combination of an electrostatic motor and an electrostatic generator. Instead drain current in the ground (ions) in the drain neutralization Leyden jar.
It is generated by friction electrostatic current (hand-on) then this current drives the electrostatic motor and the current after the neutralization of ions accumulates in a leyda bottle.
If conductive brushes are disposed obliquely, they produce an amplified rotation in electrostatic motors. The 1000-point question is how do we remove (use) the current from the leyda bottle ?!
This motor is powered by a high voltage source. 4kv for small engines and 10kv for large engines.
ruclips.net/video/g22G2bwujzY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/OeWU7k9893Y/видео.html
@@TheDanielGendron If you built such an engine, you can certainly build a Testatika.
This device is a mix between an electrostatic motor and an electrostatic generator. The electrostatic engine in operation potentiates the electrostatic generator by the powerful electrification / ionization of the air that rubs the generator disc / discs. After the electrostatic engine "consumed" the energy to do the mechanical work, the energy ionizes the plates of the generator and then discharges them into the leyda bottle.
How does it work?
It work with electrostatique force insted of magnetic force
wow
Bonjour,bravo pour cette belle invention!vous avez sû exploiter un maximum de puissance potentiel de l'énergie électrostatique en multipliant les électrodes.Simple dans l'idée mais difficile à fabriquer.
Vous faites varier la vitesse en jouant sur la tension d'alimentation basse tension si j'ai bien compris,La variation du courant à t-elle une influence?
Merci pour le partage
Daniel Gendron
Merci pour les précisions.Avez-vous tester différente pression,le vide à l'intérieur du moteur ,différent gaz ou autre diélectrique pour augmenter la tension d'alimentation et donc le couple?
Quand vous parlez de courant induit par le rotor, est-ce de l'induction électromagnétique?
Désoler pour toutes ces questions mais ce moteur attise ma curiosité :)
Aussi j'imagine que le moteur peut tourner dans les deux sens selon l'angle de calage de départ?
Dernière réflexion; si les électrodes se croisaient parallèlement,il n'y aurait pas de temps mort de travail et moins de perte.Vous pourriez faire cela en mettant les électrodes dans l'axe longitudinales fixer sur le rotor et d'autre électrodes à l'intérieur et à l'extérieur du rotor toujours dans l'axe longitudinale pour le stator.Qu'en pensez vous?
Daniel Gendron Encore merci pour ces précisions.Cet effet mémoire serait peut-être une sorte d'effet électret qui se produit dans les diélectriques.Peut-être dans l'environnement du moteur..!?
Question: could an electrostatic motor be used with kinetic energy going into it to function as a generator?
for generation energy from kinetic movement you need induction coil and magnets .. there are not in this motor ...
@@wiktorchm I figured that would be the case. Of course, I had to ask if that was a possability, since I do not know a great deal about electricity.
Thank you for the information.
is it a new invention...?
Kind of looks like the whimhurst machine (not sure if spelled his name right)
Pourriez vous aussi produire de l'energie electrique comme avec un moteur magnetique, en reversant le principe?
yes
@@TheDanielGendron Quel degre d'efficience atteignez vous?
interesting!!
Do you sell this? Can you make a video of how i can make one? Thanks
ruclips.net/video/g22G2bwujzY/видео.html
this devise can also produce electricity like a homopolar motor ? have you looked into that by separating the rotor from shaft half would be motor half generator by placing plastic bushing to separate shaft from rotor on half of the motor then by applying brushes on the half of the shaft maybe you could collect electricity it would be half homopolar half electrostatic?
No homopolar here. But if you put supply on the stator and you rorate the rotor you will have a electrostatic alternator.
A homopolar motor look like this:
ruclips.net/video/sSNiloMGzCE/видео.html
J'ai adoré hier soir cette machine, mais elle est presque toujours inutile: bruyante, forte émetteuse de radio-bruit (sauf écran métallique et filtre), avec un rapport puissance/volume sans doute très bas et un rapport puissance/masse plus élevé sans doute mais bien plus bas que chez les électromagnétiques, produisant de l'ozone donc à utiliser dehors, nécessitant pas un pilote d'accord mais un élevateur de tension le plus souvent, avec durée de vie sans doute pas longue vues ses décharges en arc... inutile sauf, comme je l'ai vu ici sur RUclips dans d'autres chaines, pour capturer l'électricité atmosphérique notamment par fort vent et/ou orage, là oui: très utile: elle pourra aisément convertir l'énergie atmosphérique en énergie électrique bas voltage via un alternateur branché dessus.
Never mind I see you do.
what is static current . which from atmosphere n u give low level high voltage for run this motor who told u that is static motor first u study electrical n electronic also Tesla
'' who told u that is static motor first u study electrical n electronic also Tesla''
Let's say ... my patent.!
The smaller the degrees the higher the torque but prolly the slower the max rpm eh?
Have you pumped out a vacuum on the internals of one of these and tried to drive it? What happens? got a vid?
In theory, pumping out a vacuum should cut down on the arcing. But instead of pumping out the internals, it would be better to build a box around the whole unit and only have the electrical connections going into it. Easier to seal. If it drove a generator, then the output also could come out of the containment as sealed electrical connections. Use solar power for the input and take commercial grade power as the output.
nice
Are you selling these yet? I'd be interested... Please let me know...
No! but you can make one.
ruclips.net/video/g22G2bwujzY/видео.html
Dude can you spin it around and get current from it?
Also. Make the device air tight. Fill it with an inert gas and empty it out to a vacuum.
Mr. Gendron. Êtes-vous du Qc? J'ai cherché et ne trouve pas grand chose sur vous. Je suis simplement impressionné par vos travaux et brevets. Cette forme de générateur autonome est bien plus que le moteur Ford à explosion. La prochaine marche vers une évolution sans combutible fossile de l'espèce humaine. Désolé pour le parralèle. Nouvelle ère sans combustible.
Bonjour Daniel!!
J'ai peut être qlq chose d'intéressant à te montrer regarde sur mon face A.C.R
A bientôt j'espère ;-)
Très interessant mais la commutation dans ces moteurs est obligée, sinon ils s'arreteraient dans une position de repos.
Ah, j'ai compris: la commutation se fait en interne par diffusion de charge, pas par arc électrique comme tu l'as écrit en description, donc par une sorte d'effet corona au passage. Beau! Si tu veux éviter les arcs électriques (les vrais) indésirés tu devrais sceller le moteur dans une atmosphère seche d'hexaflorure de soufre pur: 2,5 plus isolant que l'air (mais à très fort effet de serre). La commutation électronique augmenterait les couts et serait moins fiable à ces tension-là, et puis il y a les pertes... J'aimerais que ces moteurs se conduisent à eux seuls, sans pilote externe (à mosfet).
Tes moteurs ont une personnalité et transpirent l'électrostaticité. Mes compliments!!
Après, cependant, je sais pas si les molécules d'hexafluorure de soufre vont faire la diffusion des charges ou pas, dans ce dernier cas... mon conseil serait inutile sauf peut-etre un drogage de l'hexafluorure avec des molécules se ionisant, par exeple oxygène ou fluore ou chlore....
What's the point? We already got motors. You still have to transform and rectify to high voltage from the mains. Other than novelty item and proving how smart you are what is the point.
.. if you smart enough you can use electrostatic charge from high altitude air ... that is the point for example.
Yea, exactly what wiktorchm said, put a conductor in the air, then run them through “your circuit” and connect that to this motor, but there are other ways of converting hv static to lv dc, but not everyone know the method, most people don’t.. they suppressed most of the videos of the machine but you can still find some of them on RUclips
Ok > thinking but dint try yet only in mynd
Pretty nice builds man. Reminds me of Olegs Jefimenkos work on this vein. You seen these other versions which are axial versus radial like you setup above.
revolution-green.com/high-power-electrostatic-motor-95-efficency/
I still have the 3d printed Oleg motor from LaserSabers build that I need to assemble and power with 50kvdc input... Thanks for sharing!
Daniel Gendron
I see, thanks for that info. Jeremy noted the same for me. The radial is probably the better option to build as its more closely representing the point sphere geometry of the universe. Have you considered building one thats Spherical? Using a sphere as the central rotor with its pegs sticking out 360degrees, and then an enclosing sphere with its pegs inward directed at 360 degrees? You don't have any for sale from old builds do you? or any kits or the like?
As regards Oleg, his work was done on the electrostatic motors in 1973 (which was when he published his first book on the topic), so 1999 is a bit after that. That noted, it doesn't diminish your work at all. I think its great you built this.
What happens if you push the volts up higher on the setup? rpm drop due excessive arcing? Have you worked thru the curved charts for the intermeshed gap distances for different voltages? I enjoy working with HV and have a couple novel devices of my own under user coruscantme on youtube if you wanna see the sort of thing I've been playing with... The bellerian apparatus and the ion chair are my two creations... neither patented... just both different from anything else I've been able to dig up today... Take it easy!
+CoruscantMe
Good description of the concept on the link you provided. I love the idea (and plan to try it of course) but I'm sure they have no chance to meet the standards for releasing on the market - a product like this or a derived product. It does not meet the regulatory standards for EMI. (yep they took care of that) :)
@@ionpopescu9855 its called a faraday cage. The outer case can be a faraday cage. EMI solved.
а если внутри вента такие гвозди.
Bonjour Daniel,
Son moteur pourrait fonctionner avec cette antenne? ruclips.net/video/qhXxSAv6rMg/видео.html
Ils ont dit que Nikola Tesla a réalisé quelque chose de similaire.
travail exquis!!!!
Oui il est possible de faire fonctionner un moteur électrostatique avec un long fil en hauteur. Mais la puissance est négligeable.
looks fake