5 Tips for Gun Collecting with Ian McCollum (Forgotten Weapons) and Othais (C&Rsenal)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Collecting old guns can be awesome, or it can be tragic as Othais and Ian discuss in this latest episode of TFB TV. Both of them break down some of the important things to keep in mind when going after firearms, especially older ones that can be a treasure to put together. Some of the key points that both of them harp on are issues such as buying the research books and materials to know what you are looking at. Being safe and checking the condition of these old guns, some of which may be completely unsafe to fire. Realizing that you don't have to go and try to buy every super expensive Luger out there on the market. In addition, they go over some deals that went really badly and then some deals that actually worked out very well.
If you haven't seen anything by Ian or Othais, definitely give their channels a look. They are phenomenal experts in their respective fields-
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Othias, Gun Jesus, and Dimebag's illegitimate kid all in one video?
Take my upvote.
Oh man the Dimebags kid got me way to good. To funny.
@@LMerchant01 he's never denied it.
Hey wait, I recognize that Othais guy..... he does the guinea pig videos!
@ Have you heard the legends of the Bearded Guinea Pig Man who stole that Walker from the auction house? Some say he's still on the run for this very day...
@@PedroThePanda64 But then, War Were Declared!
@@wingracer1614 and priorities shifted!
WEEEEET WEEET WEET WEEEEEEEET
Marvel: Avengers is the most ambitious crossover of all time
TFB TV:
So a guy that over-pronounces Arabic words meets a guy that over-pronounces French words meets a guy that gets super excited about a roll pin or minor sight variance. I can dig it...
I barely pronounce English words.
C&Rsenal yeah I didn’t really have a good one for you Othias. Really enjoy your content btw
@@beardoggin8963 Well there's always that crappy turd of a kal-tec sub 2000
Pictured: young mujahedeen fighter tries to coerce two religious figures in the mountains (kabul, 1984)
Ha, you got them at their best Miles, great video.
Was awesome hanging out with ya there mate!
-Miles
**Forgotten weapons host, Ian McCollum**
Excuse me, did you mean to say
*Our Lord and Saviour, Gun Jesus*?
His face expression looked like he really considered doing so ;-)
Legitimate knowledge collaborations like this between gun channels are the best.
I wasn't first,
And I wasn't last
But when I saw gun Jesus
I clicked really fast
I clicked because Big Beardy Man.
He was a poet
And didn't know it
@@donnyboon2896 but not Warrior Poet that is a different channel.
Excellent video TFB. Good questions and you allowed the guys to talk. This has the potential for a great series IMO.
14:10 - Tip #5 - 100% agreed. I ADORE Saturday Night Specials, especially ones in .22 LR. I've never paid over $175 for one, but they are the most fun guns I have.
I made the mistake of purchasing a Type 38 Arisaka from a local gun store as my first rifle. The guy I bought from was 100% convinced that it was a 7.7mm Type 99. Thankfully I got a hold of a gunsmith and had him slug the chamber. And he gets back to me saying that it was actually a 6.5mm Type 30, not a Type 99. Thankfully I didn't buy the ammo the gun store owner was trying to get me to buy for it.
Best video you have ever done Ian, thank you and your cohorts good to hear a honest conversation about the hobby .
My best deal... G43 for $1250 I bought sight unseen (a fellow milsurp collecting friend who I really trust told me about seeing it in a pawn shop when he was on vacation but didn't have the cash) and a PSL with Romanian scope and three mags I got two years ago for $750. Worst... VIS 35 for $850, but I found out needs some work (I am hoping some Wolff springs fixes it). Nice video seeing the three best gun historians on RUclips together!
Huh I've been a bit wary of G43s anyhow I loved your type 99 video it helped me look for the one I recently purchased
I couldn't pass that up. Even if it turned out to be sported (which it wasn't... it is the gun in the banner of my channel), that is still half of going price. Awesome on the Type 99!
@@MilsurpMikeChannel I can't blame you man, I got lucky recently and found a Remington Mosin Nagant for 400 bucks quite a steal, anyways man you should definitely do more milsurp reviews! I'd love to see that G43 in one!
I have quite a few milsurp videos up (just put a Swiss Model 1911/K11 review up last week), did a big French series in May etc...
As a semi-collector my tip is to buy "shooters", not wall hangers.
Bullshit. Even if I could find .577/450 Martini-Henry ammunition and the gun was in shooting condition how would that help me enjoy fondling it while watching Zulu?
@@aa-yt7wo watch it at the range and shoot on their orders ))
All my guns are shooters. My best find was about 4 years ago. Came across a Japanese type 99 with a almost intact mum (just 2 chisel marks) for $300.00. Now if I could only find and afford ammo for it lol.
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I have been writing a pretty detailed piece or Slash fiction involving Iam, Othais, and a trapdoor Springfield.
😤😲
Blood rust 😂
Othais is so cool
Thank you for this interview with Ian and Othias. Especially Othias who has not had the amount of camera time Ian has had. 👍🏼🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Great video. Thanks a lot.
I got hooked on everything the Czechs ever produced.
They're often quite inexpensive, extremely well made and thought-through, and have a vast amount of stories to tell.
I'm at the "I'm over just watching videos and now trying to get my first books on the matter" phase. But they're either too expensive for me just now, or written all in Czech. So I spend a lot of time with Google Translate lately, trying to piece together all the information I can get.
As a collector of 50+ years with a large collection of books on my subjects, I have to say I have learned much from the videos by Ian, Othias and Mark Novak that I HAVEN'T been able to pick up from my books; so I can certainly say SOME videos ie those by KNOWLEDGEABLE people are well worth watching. Thanks and keep up the good work guys,!
To expand on point #3, I cannot stress how important it is to widen your reach as a collector. You've gotta head out, find gunshops, and dig around them. A friend of mine and great collector once found an A6 Munier, in a gunshop, for $400. That kind of thing just won't happen online.
I should make it clear that this works best if you can, y'know, travel and stuff.
I couldn't agree more I was recently traveling over 3 counties in my state(PA) going in to gun shops just looking, I was able to find and buy a Remington Mosin nagant for $250 guy had no idea and thought it was just another regular old mosin. So most definitely travel around and see what you can find
I fully expected the book/gun aspect being as different between them as it is. Watching their videos, you can tell Othais is far more interested in the history of the guns, and Ian is far more into the technical and mechanical aspects of firearms.
Both of my fav. Gun channles being together? Hot damn. Keep it up fellas
I was waiting for a video with these three... Very cool
Awesome helpful video for us amateurs. Huge fan of both these guys.
Seriously a collaboration of three awesome top channels? This video should have a lot more views and likes than it does.
Nice wall of MH rifles. Good video. Yes, always chamber cast slug the bore, and detail strip and inspect each part before even thinking of shooting it.
Interesting and helpful too. Thanks Gentlemen, for this!
HOLY GOD OTHAIS KILLS ON SIGHT!
I use both my thumbs when I Goose this TFB TV content. Good job, that host!
4:26 "The reality is that each thing, every item that I have added to my collection has a consistent, unifying, attribute; it's the thing that started my collection and continues to motivate it through today. It's the thing that binds the parts into a whole and that thing, is FUN" - Dan Larson
Great, candid discussion. I buy guns I like, that I can shoot, whatever the real or collector value
My favorite find is my 1917 peddle scheme Enfield. Arsenal replaced the magazine in 38' and it was sent to Austria to outfit their Gendarmerie post-war, so it also has an Austian eagle stamped on the reciever.
I just found this interview: I could listen to these guys for another hour or two.
Hilarious. Awesome Video. The colap everybody wated for. The three best gun channels together.
As of December 2020 I cannot believe this video only has 50,000 views.
My friend had a mosin nagant and he basically just left it in his garage and it got all rusted and shit. Broke my heart.
Best find I've had was a No4 mk2 Long Branch Enfield for 350. It was dirty and crudy, but after cleaning it, it was beautiful. All matching, clean bore, no real pitting, shoots like a dream.
Great video guys!!
Haven't watched in a few years. Thanks for the video. Grey hits fast!
The most ambitious crossover in the RUclips historical gun community
@9:15 man odd that Othais specifically mentions $300 cause that's what I spent to get my FN Browning 1910 which is usually a $6~700 gun. Gotta love pawn shop finds.
With the background, I thought Miles took Ian & Othias to Afghanistan. 😉😉😉
Little Jenny same here lol
LoL you've been to Afghanistan little Jenny LoL
Devils bowl, outside of Cody
@@wyo203 i smoked one of those once...
Great video fellas
3:22 have 2 the books there and now I kinda miss Borders always had some nice gun books on sale.
Great video!
I think tip #5 was the best piece of advice.
Good points, well said.
Groups/forums have been super helpful from me. I mostly collect Swiss guns but my best deal was a Japanese arisaka for under 300 in 2019 now the dust cover is in terrible shape and the rest of the gun has a little surface rust on it but overall it is a good shooter.
Miguel Hernandez I would take an old penny and lightly go at that rust with some oil. I’ve never seen it harm any of my old guns.
Good luck
@@johnrosen7983 I think I cleaned most of it off but ill check it over again
Great advice.
Traded a FEG amd 65 to a 1938 P08 Luger
Had $600 in the amd
Found 1938 Lugers with the s/42 for $1600 up
Did great
It’s actually kinda remarkable to see what I consider the trifecta of RUclipsrs that caused me to go off the deep end on C&R Mil-Surps; between Ian’s easy to digest videos, plus his dads book on Arisakas, Mile’s Mil-Surp Run & Gun videos, and Othia’s in depth videos on WWI arms, it’s like they finally decided to come together and unilaterally tell me unconsciously “We’re the reason your disposable income never leaves a gun shop”.
Great tips.
Some of my most favorite rifles, my Mle 1886, SMLE, and two different Finnish Mosin Nagants, were all under $100. My K98k is BNZ all numbers matching, and it was $105. Granted prices have gone up since the 90s, but there are still good deals out there if you know what you’re looking for. Go into collecting with knowledge, and don’t buy the first thing you stumble across just because it’s an old gun.
The Firearm History Gods... It's beautiful
Cool video!
Love “C and R Arsenal”
Thank you for the education
I managed to find a pristine all matching Loewe Gehewr 1888 at a local pawn shop. Some guy had gotten rid of it cause he thought it was a broken hunting rifle cause it had the extractor jammed up with cosmoline and wouldn't chamber or extract. Paid $150 for it as the owner was under the impression it was broken, got it fixed up and now it is one of my best condition rifles.
I once bought a Mauser HSC pistol advertised as an “East German police pistol”. I didn’t know what it was at the time, but I knew that it wasn’t a police pistol. I bought it, and later found out that it was a post WWII, French made pistol. I’m glad I gambled with it because it’s a beautiful pistol, with a unique story.
I got an early and beautiful FN1900 for $150 out the door they said it was a brevatte pistol from the thirties one of my best deals!
Some many good tips here
I just acquired my first collectable (and shootable) firearm this week.
An original M1917 Enfield, made by Remington in July 1918.
.30-06, holds six rounds... these guys did videos on it. No need to explain anymore.
The best tip Ian could have given: Buy the French guns you want right now, before his book comes out!
I want an InRangeTV q&a with yall three and the same topic of buying, selling, collecting milsurps. Just talk about how valuable and rare my sporterized mosin is.
The books tell you about the guns. The guns are what let YOU tell the stories. Nothing is cooler than picking something out of your collection, handing it to your buddy and being able to riff for 20 minutes about that piece and the history it represents. Videos also don't give you serial number history, production counts, production variants, which agencies utilized them, etc, etc. As far as safety, my habit is, even after I have verified that it is sound (headspace gauges are useful, especially if you have 20 guns using a specific caliber), to not hold it up right in front of me for that first shot. If crap is gonna blow out of it, I don't want it coming straight back at my eye. I've too have been burned at auction because I was looking for a rarer piece and didn't realize what the demand was when I finally saw one come up after looking for it for about six months and ended up paying 50% more than I should have because I got into competition with two other buyers.
The greats in one video
Wow from my two favorite RUclips gun shows
*Price of Turkish Mausers rises*
LoL the week I turned 18 I went and bought an antique model I'm from California. GUN JESUS SHOWED ME THE LIGHT.
Cole Mair if your close to Southern California look up carol Watson orange coast auctions. Got some cool stuff for auction and for sale for reasonable prices.
im suprised commiefornia hasn't banned guns yet
Avengers was the most ambitious crossover in history. TFB: Hold my beer
I don’t collect but this was informative. Thanks.
It’s used to be easy to find good deals as long as you also had money and knew what you were looking for. But now, it is very difficult to find anything drastically undervalued.
I was always interested in collecting French, Italian, and Spanish firearms. Up until the past few years, I was able to get a lot of Italian and French firearms for very little money and many were excellent shooters or collectors pieces if desired. But, when Battlefield 1 came out, everyone had an interest all of a sudden in the things I had been looking at and many prices got vastly inflated to a point that to me... they werent going to be worth the money people were asking.
I dont really collect for something to be a show piece or wall hanger. I got stuff I was interested in, but planned to shoot. Some stuff was rather obscure and ammo or parts were scarce and that extra added cost of inflation was just too much and couldnt invest in some items as a result. However, most of the Spanish made guns were untouched as they were just universally unloved it seemed. Outside of things like the Astra 900 C96 clone or the CETME rifles and a few extremely rare variants of some weapons they had remained generally the same.
This has changed some now as the surplus market is drying up but also as Ian said.. when there's only one of something or very few of them out there and more than one person is interested, the prices go up and often out of reach for myself. When I first started getting into guns the main thing I kick myself for not getting was I remember seeing a Webley Fosberry revolver at a gun show. Guy had no idea what it was and thought somebody had done some custom job to the Webley revolver. He was asking $350 for it at the time which was standard for most Webley revolvers. I didnt have much of an interest in them at the time but was curious about that one and looked into it... Well needless to say somebody there knew what it was and made off with it before I did.
But generally the worst deals I've ever made I did to myself. I bought something rare and obscure knowing it was rare or obscure and finding parts or ammo is almost impossible so I never got to shoot it or shot it very very little before parting with it.
Cool questions! Wanna check out that other guy and books.
I really agree with Ian's last point and want to add onto it: It's not always collectors setting the price and your average buyer doesn't know what anything is. Keeping with the Finnish Mosins, to the lei man it's just a Mosin. Because it's "just a Mosin" they expect to pay "just a Mosin" price for it. I've talked with guys at gun shows who've carried around Sky M39s that wouldn't sell because that $600 price tag utterly killed their ability to sell to the lei man, especially when lei man sees a wartime M91/30 down the way for $200-ish.
A lot of what they're saying applies to many fields. I like to flip cars as a hobby, a lot of the theory therein is transferable.
Bore snake cameras are a great tool!
And so many alternate uses too!
Ian’s first piece of advice: Hmm, yes, the floor is made of floor.
But seriously, people needed to hear it.
Hey was that shot on sulfur creek in cody wy.
What are your top three books a beginner collector should start out with?
I made an impulse decision bought a Gewehr 98 for $450 last week got a great deal
Praise be Gun Jesus and Gun Moses!
I recently had an original Winchester 1895 with Lyman site, Remington autoloading model 8 in 30 rem and a smith and Wesson model 1 1/2 break action, all are getting restored and getting worked so I can shoot them, any advice about buying ammo for these guns? I’ve had good and bad luck at gun shows.
Othias and Gun Jesus in the same video?
But does he have any .32 French Long?
The most important thing to know about collecting old guns is that it is NOT a good financial investment in strict dollar terms. In other words, if you hope to sell them years in the future when their value has appreciated, you will most likely find that you would have been much wiser to invest the money in an actual financial tool: gun values generally have not kept up with inflation.
You should collect old guns for the reasons Ian speaks of, your personal interest in them. Enjoy them because you have the luxury of affording them and the pleasure that gives you.
Collect what you like and find interesting!! And not because it’s going to go up in value. Because if it doesn’t you still have something you will enjoy. Best regards
Remember, collectiblility is in the eye of the beholder.
Get to know a general field of weapons to collect.
Great video. Great host. Note to other hosts, copy Miles and let your guests speak.
Hilarious and fantastic video
Where were you with all of those martinis!!?? A gun shop in Cody perhaps??
A collector of Afghan Kabul Arsenal Martinis!- Miles
Can confirm you shouuld be careful what you're buying. I got a P14 from a pawnshop when I was early in my knowledge and unfortunately did not realize it was a reactivated DP rifle. No explosions but I would be lying if I said I noticed it before shooting the rifle. Luckily its solid and has proven to be an excellent shooter but it very well could have ended up as a pipebomb.
Spartan96 I bought a m1917 eddystone and didn't notice it's been restocked with a Remington and the cocking piece is a Winchester. Nothing like what you had but it bugs the he'll outta me.
The 1917 Enfield were designed to interchanged parts with the different manufacturers.such as winchester,Remington and eddystone.that is what you call interchangeably with the different manufacturers.
How the hell did I miss this video? God damnit RUclips...
When it comes to surplus, if its available in big quantities from online dealers BUY IT!
Buy it now, it will only go up in value
Othias is awesome!!!!!
A good example of knowledge is lugers with Cyrillic character one is from serbia there are seversl thousans of . There are a few hundred from russia
is there any way to tell what modern guns will be highly collectable in the future?
The ones with a fun back story.
Nice try fidel castro but we spotted you
Research, Research & Research. I typically put in 6 months of investigating my next acquisition.