This is what wing chun looks like when schools incorporate sparring into their training like their suppose to. Just as good as any other style. Has weaknesses like any other style but has just as many strengths.
I totally agree. This reminds that a lot of kung fu fighters (including my shifu) appeared in these kinds of free-fighting contest and were succesful in them. It is also necessary to understand that much of their strength or abilities didn't came from the mma dogma of mixing up or putting bjj and muay thay, destroying the mecanisms and techniques and strategies that would normally build your skills as a ma, but from the long path of forms into "forms-applications" (like sticking hands in wc or hg) into sparring into succeed in fights. That's great lesson to see these fights, lesson which is also appliable in life.
Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
@@dagaffer2269 I didn’t see “madly chain punching each other”. Wing chun is definitely a sub par martial art but don’t just say things that aren’t true 😂 they throw punches with a vertical fist so it blends with the chain punching. Even with that said, there was trapping and oblique kicks thrown. Here’s the thing about wing chun. If they slightly moved one foot back like a boxer does in their stance, they would be proper on the feet. Keeping shoulders square like that isn’t uncommon in the styles we see in mma. Traps are used in mma as well. Not a lot but they’re used. Tony furguson and Anderson Silva utilized trapping a bit. Now if they put their hips into he their punches, they would have much better power. It could be adapted as a good supplemental striking art in the mma if they tried. Their problem is, like I said 4 years ago, that they only spar/fight people from their own schools and they never put themselves against someone who has a boxing or Muay Thai background and they never work together with those others like they should.
+Dean Natuno to be honest, I'm honest with myself, not ego driven, claiming to be the best. I have a lot still to learn and hence I like to reflect to see what else I can learn from who ever is willing to share. Thanks for watching.
I think 99% of wing chunners are delusional morons - in my country (Poland) I have met and sparr a few of them (even on the master level) and even when I was only BJJ blue belt with one year of boxing they do not impressed me at all with their fighting ability (not talking about grond fighting, bu the stand up fighting). But FIGHT SCIENCE is very good exception - open minded, with the knowledge of other MA. He really knows how to adapt WC/VC/VT/WT to real fight situation. As we say in Poland - SZACUN (slang word for "respect") :)
@@fightscience Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
@@dagaffer2269 who says you can do Bong Sau etc in a fight? It simply doesn't happen and is a misunderstanding of the style..if you teach this as a fact then you clearly misleading the application of these ideas.
@@fightscience So why practice those ridiculous moves as the mainstay of Wing Chun in literally "every" class for years? If it's not used in a real fight. Even you yourself know Wing Chun is bullshido. But because its your bread and butter, you continue to teach it.
@@dagaffer2269 actually it's not my bread and butter. I teach mostly Boxing, Sanda Kickboxing, MMA and BJJ. Wing Chun is a very small part of what I coach. That said the art does have some value. It's concepts are transferable to any style of fighting. My fighters have demonstrated this many times in the cage and ring. Now I can't speak for why others teach these moves for combat. They are training techniques for people to understand pressure against their arms when hand fighting. It's very limited to these exercises only. Not to actual fighting. Sounds like you've had some bad experiences of Wing Chun. Which is understandable as most Wing Chun schools are not for combat. Case in point, is that they don't even spar.
How is it you are so active despite your age? Most people in their 40s or 50s tend to slow down considerably even if they are physically active. Also I enjoy your self reflection regarding your combat style over the years. Great video and love the channel
+Rosh Skanth Alagan good question. Not sure, but to guess I would say that I've been training professionally my whole life. Well from that point onwards. This my proffession, I don't do anything else other than teach and train. Perhaps that's the secret. Thanks for watching my friend.
not much man, you are fooling yourself, keep yourself physically fit so that when the opportunity arises, your body can handle the stress of learning mt, bjj, wc, whatever else you train.
This dude just seems to be a "nice guy" and most people do not know how rare that really is. I have trained in the fighting arts for 40 years plus and teach myself. I would go to this guy's school for a few months just for the atmosphere he inspires. ALL teachers can learn from his manner. You can see if you watch closely a time when he looks very serious and you know he can call on "that side" if needed, but the control of it is key to what I think is a great atmosphere in his school. Great example for me, who can be very "intense" just from my personal experiences.
Excellent to see some old footage of Sifu Mark and comparisons from then and now. Being trying to find competitions for wing chun forever. Anybody know of anything.
+JDMVtec JDMVtec unfortunately there are few to none. There's not enough support for Wing Chun competitions because most Wing Chun schools feel their martial art is to deadly for competition, which of course is nonsense.
Fight SCIENCE totally agree. Trained wing chun for 6 years or so. Also trained not competed in mma to test my skills. However ur rule set from your old competitions is perfect. Big respect for your videos and good truthful information. Shame I'm too far away to come and train if you and ur school in person. Nice to see you have not stagnated your training. Very few doing this to my humble knowledge.
Thanks for posting this Sifu- that is real Wing Chun & it looks like it's doing what it was meant to do. There is a healthy Muay Thai influence there, but I would not consider the clinch and the knee very alien to classic WC at all. Whatever works- put in in the system and drill the heck out of it. I also consider that if you are using wing chun for self-defense in the street, the least your attacker should get is something broken, a nose, knee, or rib.
+Chunda8 thank you very much. The neck pull is the opening move in the Wooden Dummy form, so we do have a form of dirty boxing in Wing Chun. Just add a knee to the neck pull and you have something similar to the clinch and knee. Thanks for watching my friend. Have a great day.
I dont like getting hit on the head and losing neurons, but withouth open sparring, martial arts turn into coreography scaringly quickly. I think an open but safe sparring (technical), like the one you show on a lot of your videos, is a nice blend of safe yet helpful to avoid falling into nonsense. Some people say wing chun doesnt work. I say any martial art withouth sparring can not work. Really nice video, interesting seeing wing chun against something that is not classical orthodox wing chun.
now these are good wing chun fights! It looks like you have incorporated grappling elements much more in your recent years. Which arts have you been practicing?
i always liked Wing Chun as a form of martial discipline (all the way back to the early 80's when i first saw it in the UK) and i had friends, over time, who learnt/taught styles of it (i ended up learning the basic tactics and fight philosophy/science over time). I never felt it (just my interpretation) harmonized fully with full contact sparring though (not for lack of trying however). For me (at this time late 80's/90's) it was kyokushin that offered the safest basis for heavy style sparring (and seemed to have the best basis in health, medical and insurance plans ..for the time). Plus they did (in my experience) spar in small/informal groups full contact (not just kicks to the head as was standard in the Dojo environment). The sparring felt more 'controlled' (if you will) then other styles, due to the heavy training regimes that set you up for impact sparring, falls and grappling. There was also a lot of cross training in judo/jujitsu/boxing/'muay thai etc (which seemed to offer an edge). So you got quite a mix of stuff with the right instructors/classes. Still, saying all that, Wing Chun just has something special to it that i find others miss out on. Hard to put it into words (cheesy i know). It's a form i'd feel safe training into my 90's or teaching kids/people with normal lives (etc).
Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
Problem with those old vids simply put is two things; 1. rock em sockem robot syndrome where they just try to punch over the other guy rather than stick or counter punch (to body as well as head) 2. no takedowns once they clinch. You show the right way, they show what was lacking.
Bruce Frantzis says that correct striking should never stop until the opponent is finished, meaning once you initiate a strike, you keep attacking in an unbroken stream until the opponent is done. Much respect for putting your fight footage out there.
@Benja Sa Bukid You're analyzing it from within the paradigm. What you're describing is more on the sport side as opposed to lethal or real life side. To be fair though, the only real proof is when the other guy is dead/KO'd or incapacitated - that's the part you'll never see unless you're in a life or death fight.
@Benja Sa Bukid I guess it's not so much a flurry of punches as it is a mentality that once you commit to an attack, there's no letting up or resting or pausing. There's no "combos" because that implies a pause after the combo, for example. Most of the internal arts actually want to tangle up, which is often what this leads to, assuming no KO.
I can't help but feel if you did 3 years of muay thai or kickboxing or even boxing you would have been a far more developed fighter after 3 years compared to 3 years of wing chun. Thoughts?
Developed in what sense? I would agree that the leaning curve is different in Wing Chun to Boxing. I often say that you would be better off with 6 months of boxing than 6 months of Wing Chun. However 3 years is long enough to be proficient in any art. Bare in mind, it's an average of 3 years to black belt in some martial arts. If you have been training for 3 years in Wing Chun and you still can't punch or move, then you need to change schools.
Good video. I would only add that, in the real world/on the street, there are no rules and no referee. Hitting your opponents a hundred times is pointless without force. Weak punches have zero effect on a determined aggressor, and most street fights in public places often involve more than one opponent. It is important to end it quickly. Your strikes need to do damage..
I want to fight in a tournament like that. I want to ignore weight classes because the street doesn’t care about them like the ring. Neither should I. I want experience against bigger guys. Hopefully a local gym I found can let me practiced against the bigger guys there. I saw a few that seemed in charge ish
Out of all the Wing Chun masters on RUclips. You are by far the best. Your modern approach is solid. Also thank you for putting up that drunk Muay Thai Master Street fight video” Master Cha “is my brother . I wanna wish you and your family A merry Christmas.
If u practise any martial arts in a way more realistic,useful , then u don't have to worry about it period. This is a perfect example Remember - Technique is a trap, style is a prison.. Most wing chun guys in these days need to remember about it.
@Fight SCIENCE - You said 3 years of training before this tournament, how many hours did you train in class per week during those 3 years? Just to get an idea of how long it takes to progress to a good level.
Really cool video -- considering this was 28 years ago, and you'd only been training seriously for 3 years. Saw some really intelligent technique and strategy employed. Nice.
would you say that the school you learned in sparred frequently in class? also, how common were contact wing chun matches like that back in the day, and why do they seem so rare now? Thanks for the video, very interesting.
In boxing normally a man at the age of 40 or beyond is treated as a slow player compared to the ones below 40 . how does this goes with wing chun . of course age will slow down everyone eventually but at 40 s? cos to be a good martial artist takes years of training. how about someone starts at thirties and become a master when he is forty
+Ranga Nanayakkara good point and nice question. You definitely slow down in your 40s. I did do a video on how you should train at an older age (ruclips.net/video/r8_uqsoupRc/видео.html). As explained in the video martial arts that require less reliance on perception and more on feel are better for older people. So Wing Chun fits into that model. Hope that helps. Thank you for watching.
+paradox636 no I hadn't started BJJ yet. I had no idea what that was ha ha... interestingly the tournament creators felt that anything should go (within reason) so if the fight fell to the ground you had to continue. Most of us figured out quickly that we could overwhelm the opponent, drag them to the ground which panicked the opponent. Good tactic that you now see in modern day MMA. The strategy obviously works.
+konquer247 not so good. I had less of an awareness of my mental state. I remember being over excited in this competition. That was down to adrenaline. But it's all an experience and you get better with time.
Hello I have been practice Kendo for 12 years ( japanese sport & martial arts) and I am 5.1 foot tall and less than 120 ib. I use stick when fight ( can be anything like baseball bat or something) and i found it amazing that I can effectively measure distance and defense myself against people who are much more physically capable than me. Have u ever seen Kendo fighter use stick in self defense situation? I always want to find it. And thank you so much for video.
+한수희 not yet, but I would also like to see the concepts of Kendo used in self defence. I'm sure it would be very effective as you can transfer that skill to any object that is similar shaped. Thanks for watching my friend.
+Akuma Bakemono agreed. There aren't many (if any) Wing Chun events that promote striking from the outset. Most tend to focus on Chi Sao that ends up with striking. Personally I like San Da competitions for my guys.
I think one of the major flaw of wing chun system is that in the majority of schools all the drills are based on an hypothetic wc vs wc scenario. Most of the time when you see a sifu teaching some chi sao, it's always aginst someone who has the wing chun guard/stance. Rarely i saw the sifu teaching studenti how to apply chi sao against an average Joe that most likely will have a boxe-like guard.
![KAYTRANADA - Witchy (feat. Childish Gambino) [Official Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jGK3YVmGZ3Y/mqdefault.jpg)
This is what wing chun looks like when schools incorporate sparring into their training like their suppose to. Just as good as any other style. Has weaknesses like any other style but has just as many strengths.
I totally agree. This reminds that a lot of kung fu fighters (including my shifu) appeared in these kinds of free-fighting contest and were succesful in them. It is also necessary to understand that much of their strength or abilities didn't came from the mma dogma of mixing up or putting bjj and muay thay, destroying the mecanisms and techniques and strategies that would normally build your skills as a ma, but from the long path of forms into "forms-applications" (like sticking hands in wc or hg) into sparring into succeed in fights. That's great lesson to see these fights, lesson which is also appliable in life.
Wing Chun is better barehanded than wearing gloves.
Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
@@dagaffer2269 I’m not sure what you watched. I think you’re on the wrong video.
@@dagaffer2269 I didn’t see “madly chain punching each other”. Wing chun is definitely a sub par martial art but don’t just say things that aren’t true 😂 they throw punches with a vertical fist so it blends with the chain punching. Even with that said, there was trapping and oblique kicks thrown.
Here’s the thing about wing chun. If they slightly moved one foot back like a boxer does in their stance, they would be proper on the feet. Keeping shoulders square like that isn’t uncommon in the styles we see in mma. Traps are used in mma as well. Not a lot but they’re used. Tony furguson and Anderson Silva utilized trapping a bit. Now if they put their hips into he their punches, they would have much better power. It could be adapted as a good supplemental striking art in the mma if they tried. Their problem is, like I said 4 years ago, that they only spar/fight people from their own schools and they never put themselves against someone who has a boxing or Muay Thai background and they never work together with those others like they should.
This is such a great video.
Most fighters tend not to look back on their mistakes.
+Dean Natuno to be honest, I'm honest with myself, not ego driven, claiming to be the best. I have a lot still to learn and hence I like to reflect to see what else I can learn from who ever is willing to share. Thanks for watching.
@@fightscience True tough guys admit fault and learn, thanks for sharing Mark.
"If I fought myself today, I would definitely double leg myself." BEST QUOTE.
Ikr?
Love this guy. If i had a Sifu like him 20yrs ago I would be a dicferent class of person.
Respect and Peace bro.
Paladin Templar I hear you bro I hear you Same Same
I think 99% of wing chunners are delusional morons - in my country (Poland) I have met and sparr a few of them (even on the master level) and even when I was only BJJ blue belt with one year of boxing they do not impressed me at all with their fighting ability (not talking about grond fighting, bu the stand up fighting). But FIGHT SCIENCE is very good exception - open minded, with the knowledge of other MA. He really knows how to adapt WC/VC/VT/WT to real fight situation. As we say in Poland - SZACUN (slang word for "respect") :)
bjj is not fit for street curve. in the street its not fighting in combat kil or get killed very different .
@@taymeh6004 so then what is fit for the street?
@@seky123 When against multiple opponents, anything besides grappling and ground fighting.
I want to see more of those tournaments.
Awesome Mark, I'm a fan. You've been a walker not a talker for years. Oss.
Good video definitely.
I came here for the
"That's not real Wing Chun" comments.
“Everybody have fun tonight...everybody Wing Chun tonight...”
It's good to see you in action all those years ago. Thanks for sharing.
+Gary Smith thank you... 28 years ago. I'm feeling old ha ha... thanks for watching my friend.
@@fightscience Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
@@dagaffer2269 who says you can do Bong Sau etc in a fight? It simply doesn't happen and is a misunderstanding of the style..if you teach this as a fact then you clearly misleading the application of these ideas.
@@fightscience So why practice those ridiculous moves as the mainstay of Wing Chun in literally "every" class for years? If it's not used in a real fight.
Even you yourself know Wing Chun is bullshido. But because its your bread and butter, you continue to teach it.
@@dagaffer2269 actually it's not my bread and butter. I teach mostly Boxing, Sanda Kickboxing, MMA and BJJ. Wing Chun is a very small part of what I coach.
That said the art does have some value. It's concepts are transferable to any style of fighting. My fighters have demonstrated this many times in the cage and ring.
Now I can't speak for why others teach these moves for combat. They are training techniques for people to understand pressure against their arms when hand fighting. It's very limited to these exercises only. Not to actual fighting.
Sounds like you've had some bad experiences of Wing Chun. Which is understandable as most Wing Chun schools are not for combat. Case in point, is that they don't even spar.
How is it you are so active despite your age? Most people in their 40s or 50s tend to slow down considerably even if they are physically active. Also I enjoy your self reflection regarding your combat style over the years. Great video and love the channel
+Rosh Skanth Alagan good question. Not sure, but to guess I would say that I've been training professionally my whole life. Well from that point onwards. This my proffession, I don't do anything else other than teach and train. Perhaps that's the secret. Thanks for watching my friend.
Fight SCIENCE Is there anyway I can improve my ability to fight when there aren't any gyms offering combat sports near me?
Rosh Skanth Alagan do plyo metrics, jump rope, heavy bag work and try to find a friend to spar with
not much man, you are fooling yourself, keep yourself physically fit so that when the opportunity arises, your body can handle the stress of learning mt, bjj, wc, whatever else you train.
Rosh Skanth Al
I Like this fight of wing Chun Sifu. Respect 🇨🇾🙏🏽🐺
Is great to doing.... and for training , is they key of some skills.
+Ακης Ιωαννου thank you very much. 😊
Nice revolution and evolution! Making your Wing Chun base adaptable and fluid by way of Muay Thai, BJJ, Dirty boxing, Wrestling and MMA etc!
In the old footage you look a little like doing savate. And I just noticed that you have been fighting 2 years longer than I am on this planet... ^^
Wicked ! First time I have seen that style of fighting for real an it looks good to me.
This dude just seems to be a "nice guy" and most people do not know how rare that really is. I have trained in the fighting arts for 40 years plus and teach myself. I would go to this guy's school for a few months just for the atmosphere he inspires. ALL teachers can learn from his manner. You can see if you watch closely a time when he looks very serious and you know he can call on "that side" if needed, but the control of it is key to what I think is a great atmosphere in his school. Great example for me, who can be very "intense" just from my personal experiences.
I like this video more Win Chun schools should incorporate this
You can even tell that back then you are a technical fighter.
After you won tha tournament did you give one of ya trademark cheeky cheesy smile's 😁😁✌
+Ruffnek Renegade 98 ha ha... knowing me I probably did smile. 😊😂
Fight SCIENCE Hahahahahaha Good Man 👍😁
@@fightscience Andrew Cameron claims to have won the tournament !
Excellent to see some old footage of Sifu Mark and comparisons from then and now. Being trying to find competitions for wing chun forever. Anybody know of anything.
+JDMVtec JDMVtec unfortunately there are few to none. There's not enough support for Wing Chun competitions because most Wing Chun schools feel their martial art is to deadly for competition, which of course is nonsense.
Fight SCIENCE totally agree. Trained wing chun for 6 years or so. Also trained not competed in mma to test my skills. However ur rule set from your old competitions is perfect. Big respect for your videos and good truthful information. Shame I'm too far away to come and train if you and ur school in person. Nice to see you have not stagnated your training. Very few doing this to my humble knowledge.
Thanks for posting this Sifu- that is real Wing Chun & it looks like it's doing what it was meant to do. There is a healthy Muay Thai influence there, but I would not consider the clinch and the knee very alien to classic WC at all. Whatever works- put in in the system and drill the heck out of it. I also consider that if you are using wing chun for self-defense in the street, the least your attacker should get is something broken, a nose, knee, or rib.
+Chunda8 thank you very much. The neck pull is the opening move in the Wooden Dummy form, so we do have a form of dirty boxing in Wing Chun. Just add a knee to the neck pull and you have something similar to the clinch and knee. Thanks for watching my friend. Have a great day.
I dont like getting hit on the head and losing neurons, but withouth open sparring, martial arts turn into coreography scaringly quickly. I think an open but safe sparring (technical), like the one you show on a lot of your videos, is a nice blend of safe yet helpful to avoid falling into nonsense. Some people say wing chun doesnt work. I say any martial art withouth sparring can not work. Really nice video, interesting seeing wing chun against something that is not classical orthodox wing chun.
You were probably the only person in the tournament who moved their head as they striked
New to the channel, keep up the great work. ( Big Grin )
+David Winters thank you for watching my friend. 😊
How come these kind of WC tournaments don't exist anymore? This is how it should be done, in the 80s UFC didn't even exist.
Some good fights. Looks like a nice tournament.
Great clips and commentary. My WC teacher says its either good bio mechanics or its not that makes it work. You nicely demonstrate that.
If I ever get round to learning Wing Chun I would like this Sifu to be my teacher.
In my opinion, you looked good in 1989. Now, you are awesome... ;)
Thanks for sharing
+miguel _ thank you for watching my friend. 😊
Great inspiring video 👏😌
+zislec I hope so... Hopefully it will inspire more Wing Chun guys to compete. 😊
zislec J dilla 4ever
If people are still confused. 1989 is 29 years ago, not just 19... I'm getting old...*cries*
I wish nowadays they are wingchun tourments like these
Edward Koo they can fight in San shou
Amazing video I love ur videos
now these are good wing chun fights! It looks like you have incorporated grappling elements much more in your recent years. Which arts have you been practicing?
Wing Chun
best wing chun on RUclips besides Tony watts...
and the Masters documented of course...
i think you looked better 28 years ago. seems like you've been influence by the ufc and mma. remember wingchun is designed for combat not sport
Great Video.
i always liked Wing Chun as a form of martial discipline (all the way back to the early 80's when i first saw it in the UK) and i had friends, over time, who learnt/taught styles of it (i ended up learning the basic tactics and fight philosophy/science over time). I never felt it (just my interpretation) harmonized fully with full contact sparring though (not for lack of trying however). For me (at this time late 80's/90's) it was kyokushin that offered the safest basis for heavy style sparring (and seemed to have the best basis in health, medical and insurance plans ..for the time). Plus they did (in my experience) spar in small/informal groups full contact (not just kicks to the head as was standard in the Dojo environment). The sparring felt more 'controlled' (if you will) then other styles, due to the heavy training regimes that set you up for impact sparring, falls and grappling. There was also a lot of cross training in judo/jujitsu/boxing/'muay thai etc (which seemed to offer an edge). So you got quite a mix of stuff with the right instructors/classes.
Still, saying all that, Wing Chun just has something special to it that i find others miss out on. Hard to put it into words (cheesy i know). It's a form i'd feel safe training into my 90's or teaching kids/people with normal lives (etc).
Actually this video proves Wing Chung is bullshido of the worst kind. Not one fighter could do the Tan sau, Bong Sau, Kan Sau and other bullshido moves. All just madly chain punching each other. Like rabbits fighting.
Nice vid...tnx 4 sharing all that 🖒🖒
1:28 That's the way to do it 🤜💥😂
Problem with those old vids simply put is two things; 1. rock em sockem robot syndrome where they just try to punch over the other guy rather than stick or counter punch (to body as well as head) 2. no takedowns once they clinch. You show the right way, they show what was lacking.
Bruce Frantzis says that correct striking should never stop until the opponent is finished, meaning once you initiate a strike, you keep attacking in an unbroken stream until the opponent is done.
Much respect for putting your fight footage out there.
@Benja Sa Bukid Oh this is assuming they are. It's hard to punch when you have a flurry of fists coming at your face that never stops.
@Benja Sa Bukid That's usually a mark of low skill levels. No offense.
@Benja Sa Bukid It's a totally different mindset.
@Benja Sa Bukid You're analyzing it from within the paradigm. What you're describing is more on the sport side as opposed to lethal or real life side. To be fair though, the only real proof is when the other guy is dead/KO'd or incapacitated - that's the part you'll never see unless you're in a life or death fight.
@Benja Sa Bukid I guess it's not so much a flurry of punches as it is a mentality that once you commit to an attack, there's no letting up or resting or pausing. There's no "combos" because that implies a pause after the combo, for example.
Most of the internal arts actually want to tangle up, which is often what this leads to, assuming no KO.
motivation ! thanks
all that way back in the Wing Chun past history..Sifu Phillios was a 'smiling' food processor..
Oh wow your so amazing and dont you just know it. The Streets
Yeah real type of fighting.
+fard ali it would be good to get more Wing Chun guys doing striking competitions instead of Chi Sao.
Great video! I would love to see some more of your old Wing Chun videos.
Very good skills, reminds of the late Derek Jones, who incorporated a lot grappling in his wing chun based system, BMS.
Yeah... he was well known for being able to have a good scrap in the days people actually trained to fight.
I can't help but feel if you did 3 years of muay thai or kickboxing or even boxing you would have been a far more developed fighter after 3 years compared to 3 years of wing chun. Thoughts?
Developed in what sense? I would agree that the leaning curve is different in Wing Chun to Boxing. I often say that you would be better off with 6 months of boxing than 6 months of Wing Chun. However 3 years is long enough to be proficient in any art. Bare in mind, it's an average of 3 years to black belt in some martial arts. If you have been training for 3 years in Wing Chun and you still can't punch or move, then you need to change schools.
So sifu, the lesson is basically is experience. The more you learn is the more you know
+Imri Murphy absolutely... the longer you train, the better. But you have to have an open mind. Otherwise it makes no difference.
Good video. I would only add that, in the real world/on the street, there are no rules and no referee. Hitting your opponents a hundred times is pointless without force. Weak punches have zero effect on a determined aggressor, and most street fights in public places often involve more than one opponent. It is important to end it quickly. Your strikes need to do damage..
I want to fight in a tournament like that. I want to ignore weight classes because the street doesn’t care about them like the ring. Neither should I. I want experience against bigger guys. Hopefully a local gym I found can let me practiced against the bigger guys there. I saw a few that seemed in charge ish
Good vid.
Much respect .
+Thongsai Muay Thai thank you my friend. Merry Christmas.
Out of all the Wing Chun masters on RUclips. You are by far the best.
Your modern approach is solid. Also thank you for putting up that drunk Muay Thai Master
Street fight video” Master Cha “is my brother . I wanna wish you and your family
A merry Christmas.
great wing chun sifu
If u practise any martial arts in a way more realistic,useful , then u don't have to worry about it period. This is a perfect example
Remember - Technique is a trap, style is a prison..
Most wing chun guys in these days need to remember about it.
@Fight SCIENCE - You said 3 years of training before this tournament, how many hours did you train in class per week during those 3 years? Just to get an idea of how long it takes to progress to a good level.
wing chun is beautiful
Really cool video -- considering this was 28 years ago, and you'd only been training seriously for 3 years. Saw some really intelligent technique and strategy employed. Nice.
FINALLY! A Wing Chun video with real world (tournament world) application. Mahalo Man!
🤙🏾
Fast forward 28 years later.... damn! I think I was at that competition, if not one just after it... Your narrative is excellent and appreciated.
would you say that the school you learned in sparred frequently in class? also, how common were contact wing chun matches like that back in the day, and why do they seem so rare now?
Thanks for the video, very interesting.
Nice! Interesting to see that ground and pound was allowed in those days. And that was before UFC. Thanks for sharing.
well,that was good!!-so it looked in those days!
Wonderful!!!!! Love it big time.
Yes!
Very humble and inspiring, your son is a very lucky young man. all the best.
Today’s standard of fighting has become a lot more sophisticated than it was back then
You are one of the only wing chun men I respect. It's nice to see another wing chun dude spar.
Good addition to the WC philosophy. The moves are dead, the idea is what keeps things alive.
back in 89, you guys were pretty advanced for that time.
Are those tights that Sifu Mark Phillips has been wearing?
You were more technical than the rest. Good job. Your a beast now.
But did you sweep the leg? :)
+joelf0318 ha ha... yes. Cobra Ki forever. 😊
Bruh
In boxing normally a man at the age of 40 or beyond is treated as a slow player compared to the ones below 40 . how does this goes with wing chun . of course age will slow down everyone eventually but at 40 s? cos to be a good martial artist takes years of training. how about someone starts at thirties and become a master when he is forty
+Ranga Nanayakkara good point and nice question. You definitely slow down in your 40s. I did do a video on how you should train at an older age (ruclips.net/video/r8_uqsoupRc/видео.html). As explained in the video martial arts that require less reliance on perception and more on feel are better for older people. So Wing Chun fits into that model. Hope that helps. Thank you for watching.
Judging by the date this is pre ufc, had you started bjj at this point?
+paradox636 no I hadn't started BJJ yet. I had no idea what that was ha ha... interestingly the tournament creators felt that anything should go (within reason) so if the fight fell to the ground you had to continue. Most of us figured out quickly that we could overwhelm the opponent, drag them to the ground which panicked the opponent. Good tactic that you now see in modern day MMA. The strategy obviously works.
How was your psychological readiness back then compared to today? BTW Great Vid
+konquer247 not so good. I had less of an awareness of my mental state. I remember being over excited in this competition. That was down to adrenaline. But it's all an experience and you get better with time.
Hello
I have been practice Kendo for 12 years ( japanese sport & martial arts) and I am 5.1 foot tall and less than 120 ib. I use stick when fight ( can be anything like baseball bat or something) and i found it amazing that I can effectively measure distance and defense myself against people who are much more physically capable than me. Have u ever seen Kendo fighter use stick in self defense situation? I always want to find it.
And thank you so much for video.
+한수희 not yet, but I would also like to see the concepts of Kendo used in self defence. I'm sure it would be very effective as you can transfer that skill to any object that is similar shaped. Thanks for watching my friend.
My dad did this type of wing chun and he teaches me it
Lol.
Love it Sifu...when are you coming back to the east coast?.... Boy we are old 😁 28 yrs...sheeesh
+paksau1 hopefully as soon as it warms up. Perhaps around March time. It would be good to see you this time.
Nice looking tournament
Awesome! Thanks for sharing
Someone gets it👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very rare
Fall in love with that rules, I wish they were the common denominator in today's tournaments.
+Akuma Bakemono agreed. There aren't many (if any) Wing Chun events that promote striking from the outset. Most tend to focus on Chi Sao that ends up with striking. Personally I like San Da competitions for my guys.
I think one of the major flaw of wing chun system is that in the majority of schools all the drills are based on an hypothetic wc vs wc scenario. Most of the time when you see a sifu teaching some chi sao, it's always aginst someone who has the wing chun guard/stance. Rarely i saw the sifu teaching studenti how to apply chi sao against an average Joe that most likely will have a boxe-like guard.
Should have totally add some synthwave to remeber the late 80s.
Great video by the way!
+Nodosa ha ha... needed some 1980s music. 😂
Jon Jones would shit himself
Fire Blade890 no he wouldn’t lmao. He did well but Jon Jones is I a different level and I’m sure this guy knows it
1:03 Is that man Sifu Emin?
This is awesome Sifu :D
So, actually how old are you? 😅
+Abhijith PB very old ha ha....
Fight SCIENCE but you look 30 😂😂 the magic of martial arts make you young forever
Good video 👍
brilliant video
I love this one!
I approve
This dude is the only legit wing Chung dude I have seen.
enrique gonzalez there's many
Wing chun with no rules look exactly like mma
Exactly like a street fight
Looks better than MMA by a long way
Jeet kune do is mma, which was bruce lee's take on fighting
Really interesting video. How old were Mr.Phillips in 1989?
+Pablo Juncal thank you... I was just 19 years old. Just a lad ha ha. Thanks for watching.
Fight SCIENCE what a surprise! So young to foght like that.
your a black belt in bjj? holy sht.