I am a Cradle Catholic and used to think I was bisexual (even lesbian a few years prior to that) and genderfluid back in my University days. I never acted on my feelings because something seemed to hold me back. Then I got exposed to a charismatic (I studied in a protestant Bundesland here in Germany) church group at my campus and then I slowly found my way back to my Catholic Faith and I am so thankful for God's patience and that he never gave up on me. No matter how hard I tried.
@@Docpowel You’re just afraid. It doesn’t change anything if you are. The fate of the universe or that of your soul does not depend on who you love or what gender persuasion they are. For Goodness sakes 🙈
Pray for me! I’m an atheist- born into Catholicism. I love the religion and how mysterious it is, I know it’s the true religion. Just can’t bring myself into believe there is a higher power whatsoever. I need help!
@@TheMountAndBladerX10 most of which have been discredited by science, and none of which are accepted as valid by other religions, as they have their own list of supposed 'miracles.'
@@alt8791 those "discredited" partsbi would love to see for the newer ones and of course other religions wouldnt accept them, anyome who accepts doesnt have much logical alternatives besides catholicism.
His points are very grounded and mostly gets you from A to B in a straightforward way as much as possible, that's why a lot of people gets him even if they don't agree with him.
Even if you are not catholic, you can get a lot of very interesting information from Fr. Mike’s Bible in a year podcast or here in in ascension’s channel
more discussions If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Carter, how beautiful! The Lord loves you so much. He desires you to know His deep love for you and Mother Mary wants you to know Her deep Motherly love. Come to Jesus. He is waiting.
David DeKold you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
Father Mike a question do Straight people choose to be straight ? No their born that way just like Gays and Bisexuals .😊 Its called common sense you like who you like it's nobody's business as long as your consenting adults .
truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, that you are entitled to, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 many homosexual people who've become straight after encountering Jesus would reject your statement, homosexuality for the most part is a choice and reversible with will. I'd suggest you watch real life testimonies instead... And if you believe in science, you'd know it goes against natural law of reproduction, and doesn't benifit for the progression of a particular species,so much for your "science"
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The way he plays devil's advocate is so well done and productive to the conversation. You can tell how much work, research, and preparation he put into this. Very impressive
Too bad they have no qualifications in any science, so they answered with superstitious propaganda. It only impresses weak-minded, poorly-educated people.
That's what critical thinkers do. We don't just regurgitate nonsensical talking points like the woke left does. We constantly question ourselves and ask ourselves if we are wrong. When someone doesn't question themselves, it's not confidence, they've been brainwashed. Being open minded doesn't mean accepting everything (like the woke left does), it means being open to having your beliefs, morals and values challenged. If someone can prove me wrong on something, or can give me new information, I will absolutely change my beliefs to the truth.
I'm not Catholic but I really enjoy listening to Mike. I had the privilege of meeting him once when he was giving a speech in Brainerd, MN (where I live and where he's from, originally). He is as genuine in person as you would expect from watching his videos. I appreciate that he can impart so much wisdom for all Christians.
I'm a grown man and I have a best friend that is likely repressing SSA, he seems to be going crazy because of his repression, but for all I know he's just so pent up that it's like he's in jail and ready to have sex with anything, it's very strange. I pray he gets better, he definitely needs a woman. I think I'll stay friends with him for the sake Jesus who died for him as much as He died for me, but if he starts coming on to me I know I can't stay. I'm currently a Non-Denominational Evangelical Protestant, but I'm trying to learn about Catholicism because I want to repair a rift caused in my family when I was born Catholic but raised Protestant from like the age of 3. I went to Christian schools, but the teaching needs to be more advanced and rigorous than you'd find in a Sunday school if we plan on resisting and pushing back on Islam and other Judaizing heresies. I was a very bad man for a very long time, but I gave my life to Jesus, and so can anyone else, including gays, trans people and even prisoners, God's mercy is for all of us who renounce our sins and ask for forgiveness, regardless of your denomination.
R u celibate? R u a priest? There is something about considering the human condition. The "Human Condition ". U gave something up? The basics. Ur "attraction " to females. I don't think u did Ur going to be celibate for the rest ur life? That is obviously a choice that u made. Sacrifice? U are giving people that happen???? To be attracted to(terrible)the same I guess mislead route to go. Same sex. And everything about it. Well the best to you. Maybe your calling to the ministry in part was to explain and call back some of the sheep that lost their way.
I agree. There are a lot of things I see error in the Cathollic church when I read the Bible, but I agree with many thinks Mike shares in his video, and I believe it's our personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ that matters more than anything. God will judge each of us correctly. He knows every intent of our hearts. AMEN.
Jesus admits that everyone has a cross. He doesn't indicate that He will take your cross. He tells everyone to pick up their own. Blessed Mother tells us to use our cross as a tool to salvation. All crosses are very heavy. No one is spared. Faith, hope, and love are the only things that make it bearable. To hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
@@deadislandfanclub so homophobics have their own cross to bare as its a lifestyle they freely chose......Homophobics then should hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
@@pastorbri As Christians we. Believe prayer is a real tool that can sometimes change our circumstanced if God feels it is beneficial to our salvation. Otherwise you're stuck with it.
@Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice go to confession...receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Be filled with the grace needed to fight sin. We are called by Our Lady of Fatima (the origin of this prayer) to atttend confession 5 first saturdays in a row.
He is right that relief can feel like freedom and create the feeling that this is right. Hes also not taking into account that there are plenty of people who never have the fear to then experience that relief, yet still experience that same freedom. Just because its a possible explanation for something does not mean its the only or even the correct explanation. He does acknowledge this rifht after that point as well.
I was suffering from gender disphoria for my whole life, I was raised as a protestant christian, when I seriously considered converting to Catholicism and I had sent a mail to my parish it went away. the pastor of that parish told me that when he had received that mail from me that he started praying for me. I feel so blessed by God for having received this sign for His plan for me. I ask you to pray for me, that I may grow in following Gods plan and listening to Him.
Father Mike is an amazing and brilliant priest. One of the things I like about him is that he comes across as friendly and approachable, but not in that cheesy way that some priests can be where it’s all about them. One of the issues Fr Mike addresses really well is the difference between experience and identity. Too often, especially in American culture, people think that their personalities and identities are defined by the experiences they have. Also, and he hints at this as well, we live in a culture that very much preaches a message of “if you have a desire, that desire is automatically good, and that desire must be satisfied.“ What the Catholic Church teaches and which is very difficult for many people, is the idea of delayed gratification or making sacrifices, which means not always giving into every desire you have. But if you live in a culture that believes you are expected to give into every desire and that your experience of doing that identifies you, it’s obviously very difficult to resist that.
@Big Dick Black actually Americans overwhelmingly supported marriage only being defined between a man and a woman. It even failed as an initiative in California, that's right, California. It was only after the Supreme Court arbitrarily forced the rest of the country and the states were forced to adopt a definition of marriage that rendered the word meaningless, that's when opinions started to change. In other words, most Americans like supporting the status quo.
I’ve been struggling with SSA most of my life. Being raised in an atheist family, everybody took for granted that I was “born this way” and showered me with their acceptance. As soon as I started my path towards baptism, my feelings changed. I don’t have to fight SSA - all I had to do was not fighting back Jesus and letting Him guide me. I now look forward to being baptized on Easter and I couldn’t be happier. SSA was the cause for most of the pain in my life: now it feels unreal, like a bad dream.
God bless you and have mercy on you 👍 I struggled with transgenderism before, I’m looking forward to my Easter baptism too. @@cincin4515 Same-sex attraction
@Not My last nameThere shouldn't be any priests in Christianity, because priests are a medium between God and humans. Jesus tught to pray directly to God. Also Jesus wanted us to only preach his word, which isn't very hard to do.
@@pastorbri I am living for your comments. I'm sick of these homophobes. It's why a lot of my friends send my gf left or don't want to join the church because of trauma.
:,)) i dont know how i will not be a sapphic, but i do know that if being a Catholic sapphic means having to live in celibacy for the rest of my life, then celibacy it is.
Gurl I’ve come to the same conclusion and I’m hetero. If I don’t get married, which it’s not looking bright, it’s celibacy for life. I’ve seen consequences just aren’t worth it.
Wow that’s powerful. My sister is lesbian and she can’t come to terms with the Church because she doesn’t want to see her sexuality as a cross. It’s really comforting to hear that someone out there with that cross is still choosing to put God first. May the Lord bless you and keep you forever friend 😊
you just reminded me of the buddy Christ statue from the movie, Dogma. But the reveal is in the reverse order, the crucifix with the bleeding dying Christ is the true image of how we should see him instead of happy winking Jesus that some people justify as Christ that didn't suffer and that our sins aren't automatically forgiven.
"rejoice always, pray continually"1Thessal 15-17 He does want us to be happy... freeing us from our sins can bring His light and peace. And eventually joy granted by the Holy Spirit....But it would be more correct to say that Christ didn't come to grant happiness through worldy pleasures.
I agree with you that God didn't come to give us temporary material happiness, but he certainly came to give us eternal perfect happiness with him in heaven
Fr Mike reminds me of what Fulton Sheen said about St Joseph's age and appearance. That he probably wasn't an old man, but rather a young, vigorous and handsome man who decided to give it all to God. Same about the Blessed Virgin. Fr Mike is very inspiring! God bless him!
I miss Futlon Sheen I wish he was here in today's time to set things straight, no pun intended. With his wisdom he surely can help anyone that questions God or teachings of the church
for more truth read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
This one is a real struggle for me. I have several gay family members and friends. And all of them feel they were born that way. As a heterosexual, I always try to imagine what if society told me I was wrong, and I had to be attracted to the same sex? Could I do that? The answer is no. I simply can't accept that our innate sexuality is a choice. And so I do have to wonder why God allows people to be born that way, and their only real choice to remain in a state of grace is to live a life of chastity. I don't believe they can "convert" and change their innate sexual preference. And I think that would be unfair to a future spouse, as I have seen people try to be "straight" and ultimately their relationship fails because of their innate sexual preference. I'm not saying the Church is wrong on this issue, but it's definitely one I don't understand. I had a priest tell me once that he thought when we die we'll all have questions for God about things we didn't understand. This will be one of mine.
I hope this acts as some sort of answer for it..at least this is the way I interprete it. Being celibate doesn't mean a life of loneliness and when you encounter the true love of god you won't limit love to a body part. Father Mike most priests do uphold a life of celibacy ( as you know ) and don't regret there decision because Christ brings so much more. I was chaste with my now wife for almost 5 years before we got married. Even now if some reason we could never have sex again I feel I'd be OK with that. It's enjoyable for sure but the joys of life, giving, and sacrifice brings more pleasure then sex ever really could. The hard part tho is getting someone who does struggle with it to see that truth and look past societal norms
@@phillipcockrell5503 I think there's a huge difference between adults who are attracted to the same sex and enter into a relationship consensually and adults who prey on children. I'm pretty sure God sees a difference there too. They may both be sins, but there are degrees of sin. Additionally, in the Catholic faith my understanding is it is very difficult for a man with SSA to enter the priesthood. I suspect it would be similar for a woman with SSA to enter a convent. In either situation, you would be living with members of the same sex, and basically living in a state of constant temptation.
Hi, I've studied something about psicology and yes, people in the first years can decide their sexuality most of the times through their parents relationship, for exemple most of people Who consider themself omosexual have a very present mother and a inconsistent father. Messages like injunction (destructive for the existence and the persona) of this type can be hiden under other more destructive or less social accepted injunctions... and they pass in infant age... they can be in the form of direct message, for exemple a mother that dresses a boy like a girl, or who wanted a girl so much that someway passes her intention to the Kid, It can be an indirect message like the refuse or the insults to the partner or other sex in general, It can also be Just interpreted that way by the Kid, that is the ultimate decision maker and judge of that all... He has an infantile decision to make, and than all his Life will be, if not helped, hiding his sadness under other problems thinking that that injunction Is real for everyone or it "Is Wat It Is", and can't change . And the ultimate problem in this situation Is the "Pride". Hope to bring another point of view, Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice life, take care!
Thank you Matt Fradd for your shows. This discussion with Fr. Mike is kind and Christian and beautiful. I have been binge watching the Matt Fradd chanel. Its uplifting to my heart to see the profound Christian love on this chanel. Excellent Catholic content. TRUE Catholicism! Thank you.
@Big Dick Black I genuinely couldn’t agree more, it’s naive people like this that just act like homophobia is something so innocent and isn’t the main reason why people have the problems they do nowadays. I personally believe that God created the two main genders and all the different gender identities he knew what would happen even before it happened, all the different genders had already existed, we just needed time to figure out what they were and from then on we could name them.
@@jccarriere3719@jccarriere3719 Honestly, doing some critical thinking about what you know and what you are told to think is good. Fanaticism will make you see Allah, Vishnu, Krishna or any other major deity, but yeah, you see, Jesus, let that sink in. It's 2000 years of Swifty-like absolute brainwashing, and you turned out just perfect.
💜 Makes me think of a spiritual director/confessor I had, who during confession used to say, often, "see how WE are... See how we are...“?... It was really" us" and he sometimes cried with me, as if recognizing he was just as as sinful,in need of grace and forgiven. It was always an amazing experience. I never forgot 😊
Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up...
@@Fedayeen77 Re. "Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up..." The authority and duty to forgive is in every human soul who becomes a Christian. Forgiveness is love regardless and is the essential teaching of Christianity. All Christians are repeatedly encouraged in our bible to forgive one another as God forgives us, for our forgiveness of each other is an extension or passing on of God's forgiveness. That is why we are forgiven by God as we forgive others, for God's forgiveness only flows through our self when we forgive others. As we forgive, so we are forgiven. This is all in our bible. Forgiveness heals both the forgiver and the forgiven; it heals our self, and each other, and our relationships. There is no no resentment, no grudgefulness, no shame, no hurt, where there is forgiveness. For those who know them, regret and shame are the worst of human feelings. Worse even than loneliness, for loneliness cuts us off from others, but regret and shame not only cut us off from others but also from our own conscience, from our own self. Conscience grating in the soul is an awful thing. Why would we leave someone to suffer such anguish when we can relieve them. Forgiveness gives relief to troubled souls. As regret and shame are the worst of human feelings, so forgiveness with its power to relieve is the greatest service we can provide for one another. Love is a heartfelt wish that another's suffering be minimal, and forgiveness is that part of love that enables us to love everyone, that enables us to love in all directions, that gives us no excuse not to love, for it enables us to love even those who hate us and who would harm us, it enables us to be kind to all, to be lenient and merciful. Forgiveness is the greatest power for good that our hearts can wield. Jesus gave his life teaching and demonstrating for us the power of love-forgiveness, and our church and our priests continue to teach and practice confession and forgiveness, so that we may love each other regardless, and relieve each other of regret and shame, heal each other and heal our relationships. And what we learn and practice in church we endeavour to practice in life with others, with family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues, and with those who dislike us. Naturally we frequently fail to live up to the standards of our Lord, we let our self down, and people may call us hypocrites, they rubbish us, and mock us, they call us messed up (as you did), but we persevere because we are Christians, because we are committed with the help of faith and prayer to being as loving/forgiving towards our fellow man and women as we can be.
But is it better that "we cause" our children to suffer greatly for a higher purpose? Because I think you've just invalidated Catholic notions of love, freedom, justice, prudence, charity and conscience. I mean, I can see Chinese state propaganda cutting and pasting this sentence in self-justification.
Viewer Discretion you must read CS Lewis’s “The Problem of Pain”. In response to your question whether “we cause”, definitely not to the point of abuse - but disciplining children is extremely important and some suffering is necessary for them (and us) to learn. Here’s another wonderful quote from CS Lewis: “Isn't God supposed to be good? Isn't He supposed to love us? Does God want us to suffer? What if the answer to that question is, 'Yes'"? I suggest to you that it is because God loves us that He [gives] us the gift of suffering. "I'm not sure that God wants us to be happy. I think He wants us to be able to love and be loved. He wants us to grow-up. We think our childish toys bring us all the happiness there is and our nursery is the whole wide world. But something must drive us out of the nursery to the world of others and that something is suffering. "You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect." - C. S. Lewis
This protestant (living in a community all too enamored with "identitarian" politics) is extremely compelled and inspired by such a complete, mature, and Christlike explanation and conversation. Thankful for you and for this conversation.
@@TheWorldTeacher I would rather say the very opposite. It is time for the world to come back to God, and understand that a world led by "men willings" is soon going to be destroyed. Just look around you.
I am gay, and have never had a attraction to females. Not that I don’t find females beautiful. I was not abused, and not have a negative growing up. I am the only guy person in my family. I came out at 18, and had no negative reactions from family, friends, etc. I am Christian, and accepted by all, and no shame in my own experience. I know God exist, and can worship bring a gay man. I am happy, free, and love God. I respect you, and thanks for you thoughts on the subject. However we will have to Agree to disagree. I could never be in a heterosexual relationship. I could pretend to be in a heterosexual relationship. I would not be happy, and it would not be authentic. Being gay is something I struggle with, or see it as struggle. Being gay may be struggle for some, and can not be dismissed. You can not intellectual talk someone out of being attracted to same sex. Also being gay is not just about sex. I have had very healthy, normal relationships with a man. The relationships have been accepted, and even celebrated. I will always celebrate being a Christian, and who loves Church, and takes Eucharist, and is gay. I will always be true to myself, as your true to your heterosexual identity. If the Church wants to continue having a narrow view on homosexuality, that is ok. Obviously the Catholic Church has not reconcile its own struggles. No need to go deeper into that conversation. I think we all know what point is being made.
Even the term "inelegant" is elegant and eloquent, Fr. Mike. You're a uniting source of clarity and understanding for all who listen to you. Thank you.
Enjoyed much of the discussion; but brother Matt's frequent interruptions, to either make a point or complete Fr Mike's thought, made further enjoyment difficult. Recommend a pad and pencil, to record those thoughts and return to them. I say this with respect, absent any malice and overall gratitude for Matt's work.
@@pastorbri - maybe YOU will tell God what the “real sins are”, I won’t be telling God ANYTHING and until the day I stand in His presence, I will follow Gods Word, the Bible.
I've found fr. mike to match up with the teachings of the bible very well. I show his videos to my faith formation class periodically. He explains things better than I can. Just discovered Matt Fradd, so I"m excited to hear more from him. With the church being almost overrun with females, my male students need to hear from a masculine man of authority. Too little testosterone in the church right now. Thank you men for serving we need you!
Lmao what- my old church was only men. The women didn't get to talk. We need women to take the stage and be leaders, I don't know why you wouldn't want representation and being progressive
@@iammerch1805 I don't know where you're located, but where I'm at in the U.S.A almost everything in the church beyond the priest is run by women- specifically elderly women. Moms teach Faith Formation, women handing out the Eucharist, handling the music, and so on. This is about the most uninspiring thing imaginable for people raising boys. I understand women need roles in the faith community but not to the point where they're doing everything.
@Potato Yes, it's excessive and inappropriate. I've taught Faith Formation for many years at my parish and I find it pathetic that only 1 man has stepped up to the plate. I always thank him for doing it. Most of the teachers at school are female so the kids love having a male teacher at church!
"There's a difference between relief and freedom." That is so good. The deepest truths in our lives are not often emotionally confirmed. Living authentically is far more holistic and involves a daily struggle.
If you have to struggle to be something, you’re not that. If you’re struggling to be something worthy then okay the struggle might be worth it. You have to struggle to be a good person or a doctor because you’re not already a good person or a doctor. But you can not struggle to be authentic to yourself.
When my atheist friends ask me how a person is born with original sin I tell them that you have to teach a child to be good, but you don’t have to teach them to be bad. Selfishness is definitely inherent in the human condition. How do I know this? I’m a grandmother! Also Father, I love how you said a person is not based on an experience.
but don't we all also have the inherent goodness? that thing inside of us that tells us this is the right thing to do, even no one teaches us. The default internal compass that tells you good and bad. I'd prefer to think a child/ baby is a clean slate, its up to the parents, and the environment to shape how the child would grow. However with original sin concept I feel like all of us started from minus, instead of zero. Which I don't think Its fair.
1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." Under the Christian worldview, you, as a woman, can tell me, a man, nothing. Keep quiet; you're literally prohibited from teaching. Stop sinning, Julie. It's what your divine dictator wants.
“IT IS SHE whom one should imitate and come close to. We should become hers, become her. Behold the peak of PERFECTION IN MAN." +St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe, ora pro nobis
Homosexuality and alcoholism/cheating are not even comparable, because homosexuality is much more than sexual desire-it’s who you love most intimately, who you want to spend your life with. Something concerning love, one of the most fundamental aspects of being human, can’t be dismissed as an act-it’s much more deeper than that-it’s connection. That connection and relationship is part of one’s identity in a way a habit of cheating or alcoholism cannot ever be.
He's not gay. It's like a dog (no disrespect intended) trying to describe... The rainbow. So, he's doing the best he can. Fact is though, the Pope believes we deserve civil rights as well as the ability to have families.
Loving someone of the same sex is entirely plausible, can be felt deeply, no doubt, but sexual relations is solely for a true sacramental marriage as ordained by God, the author of marriage. God alone determines that and the Catholic faith gives us the prescribed way to follow the best we can. Any kind of deviations or stretching to include this or that is treading a dangerous path. But the worst thing is for Catholics, especially Priest and Bishops to go about teaching something other than the prescribed truth as we know it. It would be easy to go the way of free love and sex for all as long as it's with love and meaning, but what the Bible says or Jesus' words are " a hard teaching." His teaching is the hard truth and if we leave the truth, where else do we go?
I'm a gay believer. It's an awful place to be, incredibly lonely. With gay people you're totally out of place, in the church you're just there on the periphery. Either way it's almost impossible to find anything to look forward to in life, knowing you won't have your own family and will probably die alone.
Don't let Satan's lies destroy you...Pray and continue to fight against those urges. Jesus is the Saviour of our Soul not Satan and certainly not being the slave of sin. He knows how much you desire to be free from that bondage, and when you fix your eyes upon Jesus and continue steadfast in his Glory and Grace, you will be Sanctified and cleansed of your sin..You are so loved by God that he gave his only son as a sacrifice for us. Please just keep turning away from sin, there are battles ahead and many battles are lost and you will never see the end of that road while your walking with sin. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderfull face, and the things of earth will grow faintly dim, in the light of his Glory and Grace...Amen
Exactly and they don’t care! They don’t want us to live! Catholicism is why I almost committed suicide ! They DO NOT CARE! None of them care and now if hell is real I’ll probably be going there because I can’t un gay myself. I’ll Live in suffering and die in suffering and spend my eternity in suffering I am reprobate. I wish I was never born and these people will look at my pain and shrug because they care more about their individual salvation than anything else like someone suffering because of their teachings. Also you don’t have a right to feel angry!
You don't have to die alone. There is plenty of people for everyone out there! You could always adopt if you want kids and surround yourself with tolerant LGBTQ friends. Keep trying your best 👍
If you think you were born like that the Good News is that through Jesus you can be born again! Ask Him to heal you, restore you and make you whole! To hate your sin is the first step, while you love it there's no regret nor redemption 😘 We all have a cross to carry and no sin is better than other in the end... May God help you and have Mercy on us all. Jesus is Lord! He made us and He can remake us again! Believe!
That was a very good conversation, I really enjoyed the points that were made back and forth, even though I agree with others who mentioned that it would be easier if Matt could write down his thoughts and not cut Fr. Mike short in his answers. It still was a genuinely enjoyable conversation, so this is not any harsh criticism, just an idea to make it a bit more smooth. Father Mike has helped me so much through his videos, he has supported me through a lot of darkness with his talks online. I enjoy Matt's talks so much, he has great guests and an amazing way of including the "other" side. I love that they always estimate and respect and include the other opinions. A great podcast, thank you so much for your work. 🙏🏼💜
Appreciate Matt’s insights in the interviews, but would have liked to hear more from Fr. Mike, with Matt stepping back and listening a bit more. Thanks for this content and broaching this difficult topic, Matt!
1:14 Original Sin 4:05 Experience vs Identity 6:01 Relief and Freedom Meet with positivity vs detached from negativity 9:24 End of pressure 11:04 Respectful Loving Yet Sinful 11:53 12:40 I and Others ‘13:32 Loves Individuals Not Identities 15:38 Teenager shared his same-sex attraction, hugs, it’s not us and them.
I really appreciate the fact that you sort of debate both sides of the argument and play devils advocate and really seem to consider the issue you’re discussing
He followed up by stating that he is simply posing the question, as he can never and will never know another person’s experience. ie the quote you provided is merely speculation from his perspective.
@@mike-cc3dd so....bit like racism is not a real thing either or sexism???? REALLY????? Sorry these things are real and sinful and need to be repented of.....sorry.
Sometimes I often think God DID in fact make/made sexual differences to show us that we need to work on love and acceptance as a human race. People who were made homosexual etc...are the very ones HE gave a specific mission to. Just like he made me for my purpose.
God did not make any human being sexually aberrant. Our bodies are not designed to healthily engage sexually with the same sex. Males experience cancers, anal retainage deficiencies, deadly diseases and sterility- and an end to their genetic line. This is aside from the spiritual ramifications. Females the same. God designed us with parts meant to engage with their counterparts of the opposite sex, in marriage. Praise God for such a good gift. May those who struggle with SSA find their way to Jesus.
Im not convinced they were made like that tho. Some, maybe. But for a lot, its probably societal influence. It would certainly explain why LGBT people's children are so much more likely to become one as well and would also explain the rapid increase that happened in the last decades
IM SCREAMING we watch fr. mike schmitz videos all the time for theology class at my school and now this is in my recommended... i’m a lesbian... i think my school is trying to tell me something 💀💀💀
In my humble opinion people are not born with a sexual preference, but it is learned from society and those raising an individual! The values a society holds is reflected on to its' people!
Definitely agree. Would certainly explain the rapid rise in LGBT in the Western world and also why many of the supposed LGBT people abandon it once they leave college. The stats are also inflated by many young girls claiming they are bisexual
It has always been difficult for gay humans to live life and be a part of life without having to pay for our lifestyle. I know god Loves us all.🙏🙏🙏😇😇😇😇🕊🕊🕊🕊💕💕💕🌹🌹🌹🌹
Father Mike often moves me to tears. Those really pure, humble, delicious, thoughtful kind of happy tears where you are fully present and fully mindful, authentic and still. I don't get to feel that too often. I don't know if it's even appropriate to say, but I dig him. He is doing God's work and that is a beautiful thing to behold. This was a good one. I enjoyed the format of a conversation, and with an Aussie too 😁. Thank you 😊❤️✌️🇭🇲
Reminds me of what the late apologist Ravi Zacharias said "Behind every question is a questioner" We always gotta remember that its a human person asking those poignant stuff that most likely is affecting them deeply.
On my journey to becoming an atheist I had a conversation with my pastor at the time. Im not homosexual, but the data is in and while sure there may be environmental influences for sexual orientation, but its more biological. Regardless of original sin, or god making the person that way, people can be born homosexual. While asking "why did God make me this way" isn't the best question, the point they are Illuding to is valid. Reguardless if it was gods intention or due to the original sin of another being,, they are this way without a choice. Humans have 2 truly primal drives, survival and sex. While either of these guys may have some struggles, im in doubt either of them struggle with something this deeply engraved in our base psyche. To deem this as immoral is the real question. God never adequately explains why this is considered immoral. I have yet to see how or why it is either. After a bit of back and forth I could tell that he wasn't grasping the point i was trying to make. So I posited this as an example, what if homosexuality was the only way to reproduce and it is what God deemed holy and moral. Now heterosexuality was deemed immoral by God. So your attraction to your wife was deemed wrong and acting on that is a sin. Imagine this and then explain why this is now immoral and a sin? There isn't a real justification for it and the same applies to when we apply this to our current situation. He had no answer to this and after I looked on my own I also found no answer other than "God said so". This, is the crux of the issue for the the theists. Even farther if you want to believe this is some devine will thats fine, youre free to believe this and I have no issue with that so long as you treat others with respect. Where I take issue is legislation that prevents people from marring who they choose. If the state, which was founded on the idea of being separated from religion, can recognize heterosexual marriage it needs to also recognize homosexual marriage. If you personally don't want to recognize it thats also your choice, but to attempt to hold your beliefs to others is not the right path.
@@ravenpuff3290 because its a theist based channel and I doubt many athiests actually view things like this. I dont care about any voting system on a platform like this though. Its far from a metric of whats right. Also from my experience as a theist and being around them genuine challenges to their beliefs are often immediately met with resentment naturally and not intentionally. So its dismissed before being considered because it goes against God and thats not possible to be right.
I think it comes to the premise that sex's main purpose is the survival of the animal species by sexual reproduction. Homosexual sex doesn't bear offspring, therefore, it's only purpose is for sexual gratification and pleasure (sometimes deemed egotistical and selfish, just like masturbation, in church). Morality is subjective though... and it may have been different back in that time, than it is now. These days people can do whatever they want with their bodies, but christianity says to be warned, for we will be held accountable for the care we gave our bodies.
@@jlayman89 Biblically speaking, intercourse was meant exclusively for marriage which was the union of a man and a woman, GIVEN the result of the act itself (bearing offspring, taking care and raising it until adulthood). Even in marriage, certain practices and rules took place, for example, not having sex with women on their periods, or men with nocturnal emissions (ejaculation). Masturbation, I think, was also a no-no, due to the ejaculating factor for men, deeming them impure, and for women I'm not sure what repercussions masturbating brought. So, it's not that sex was meant only for the conception of babies, but because that's the effect that coitus brings, and with that, the responsibilities of parenting in a Bible-structured family. Not that there weren't exceptions, but that's the original 'natural' biblical way. In the times of the Bible, researchers concluded that certain diseases could already be transmitted sexually, so I would think all the DOs and DON'Ts of sex were mostly health precautions, but IDRK 🤷🏻♂️. I only stated that homosexual sex may have been catalogued as an immoral act because it goes against God's original design for anatomy and reproductive phyisilogy, which is that sexual intercourse happens between male and female genitalia, and in the boundaries of marriage, so that the effects of sex (offspring) would be taken care of by the progenitors of the child. Just in case it's not implied, this is an opinion anyone can disagree with. I'm not telling anyone what to believe or not. I'm just pointing out why would it be unlikely for heterosexual sex be looked as immoral, contrary to homosexual sex, in regards of the hypothetical case shown above. It doesn't show my personal views, which are that anyone could do with their own bodies what they want, and that parenting is not exclusively a heterosexual task in these times. EDIT: I would also like to add (if this was the main focus of your question), that some acts like oral or anal sex within marriage, that the Bible doesn't speak of, and have no offspring-creating purposes I would also deem as immoral for "not following the instructions manual", because neither the mouth nor the rectum were designed biologically for sexual penetration, BUT 1) That's my personal opinion (not that I live by it anyway). 2) Anything related to what you can or can't do in your married sex life is between you, your spouse and God. Ask Him if it is permitted. If anyone should have the answer, it's Him.
It's not always about identity. If someone is a blind person, it's not their "identity" to be blind, but we and they still refer to them as blind. The descriptor does limit some vocational choices for both populations. All are called to chastity - even blind straight people.
Yes thank you for saying this. People against "identity politics" seem to forget this line of thinking. Even when it comes to things like race and gender! I don't "identify" as black I just AM black lol. I don't "identify" as a woman, I AM an adult human female. I get frustrated when people refer to the material reality of my existence as "identity politics" or identitarianism. It's like, sorry for having melanin? Sorry for being female? I don't understand why describing reality accurately is seen as a "divisive" crime to so many people these days. How is me existing as black and female dividing us? What's the point of having these descriptive words if we don't actually want to use them? Sorry for the rant I just had to let that out!
I can relate to the experience vs identity perspective he is talking about. I had a major drug problem for many years but I'm clean and sober now only thanks to the grace of God so I'm NOT an addict anymore. The addiction community perpetuates the "always an addict" thought process. It hinders people's ability to move past it. I'm a child of God now. So I get it the experience vs identity thing. Good stuff
7:57 Good, I'm glad Father Mike said this (and great job Matt) - I have my own experience with this. I remember the beginning of the homosexual thoughts following various abuse by various people - some sexual, some physical, and some that warped my relationship with male authority. I remember the guilt from the same authorities based on Christian beliefs. I remember the fear-based focus and self-testing that brought these new impulses to the fore and pushed my more fundamentally innate heterosexual instincts out of focus a bit. All of this before the age at which such sexual elements of my identity were due to emerge without undue influence. Now eventually I grew up and first stopped judging gay people when I met them and realised they were "good" decent humans but then stopped believing in God for other reasons. It became a no-brainer to support gay rights but I also explored the possibility that I myself was bisexual and had been messed up because of puritanical Christian beliefs. It became obvious that I lacked what gay men self-described as an innate lack of attraction to women and an equivalent positive attraction to other men. I did have an attraction to gay sex but it was more akin to a fetish of some kind. It had nothing to do with my truest and most loving self and everything to do with more superficial psychological artifacts developed based on early abuses. I didn't find men attractive, or the idea of a relationship with a man attractive and I kept finding that I sought out sex just to explore and find answers only to find that the one obvious experimental result I kept ignoring was that I wasn't really enjoying any of it. It was a fetish and not akin to my heterosexual drives. So I stopped. I happened to open up to a cousin of mine who pushed for an answer and I admitted my less-than-healthy sex life. That made it real and not just in my head and within a week or two I had ended all activity. It wasn't long after that my renewing relationship with God turned back into Christianity (to my surprise and sort of against my social comfort zone) and a subsequent process of sanctification really rid me of all confusion and pervertion from my truest and most loving design on that level along with others. That's a much longer and more interesting story that I won't go into here. However, where does this leave me with regard to those who always identified as gay in a more certain way than I ever was? As you point out, they consider homosexuality to be their truest and most loving design. Are they all just mistaken because few people have as long memories of being fully aware as I have (I suspect trauma does that to people - I know a few people with such memories of being aware as toddlers but most seem not to) and are they mistaken about what they consider innate? I'm sure some are like me but I can't imagine all are. Either way, I cannot claim to know because only God who IS truth and love and who did design them would know. So I have come to a sort of compromise on the issue but I'm not saying I'm satisfied, just that here is where I am. Gay pride and all civil rights are all about being our truest and most loving selves in their purest form. This is also what sanctification by God literally is. So accepting what I don't know, I feel like I can safely encourage anyone to engage in a relationship with God and tell them that IF being gay really is their truest and most loving design by God then great, and if it isn't then great too. I suspect it is not because the Bible has been shown to me to be God's word beyond any doubt by God Himself. I also know it is clearly not the OG purpose of our sexual drives although that isn't that convincing an angle. If not for the Bible I would happily make my own choices and leave others to theirs and not worry about them but I do worry even though it isn't my problem as such. But I do see the expression I recognise as soul-strain in the eyes of many gay people so I pray that whatever is the case in reality, that they find God through Christ and figure it out between them. Unless a person is a Christian, it's one step removed from my relationship with them. Until they are, we can all agree that true love is the aim even if we have different perspectives on that and they may not yet know truth/love is the conscious, living Creator God who has a far better viewpoint than they can have even on their own selves.
This is the one point I have the most difficult time with. The analogies here presume that gay people don't experience urges to smoke or watch porn or whatever, and therefore can't tell the difference between those types of urges and their inherent wiring. Science even shows us that so much happens in the womb that influences gender - it is not only related to the genitalia. Is it possible that substance and accident also happen in humans? I think there is so much that we really don't know in our limited capacity. I love my church, but I have such a hard time reconciling this with both Catholic theology and with science. Faith and reason. I do appreciate that Fr. Mike acknowledged that they have to be careful about not coming across like they are talking about people who aren't part of the conversation, and creating an "us and them."
DRM you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
same. I'm Catholic, but I have a lot of friends who are lgbtq+ and preaching to them does nothing but hurt them and push them away. It's such a confusing time for everyone in my friend group, non of us really knows what to believe, but we all know that we love and accept each other. I often make jokes about how the devil will have to snatch them from my cold dead hands himself lol. I want all of us to end up in heaven and it breaks my heart that something that makes my friends so happy and free can inevitably get them sent to Hell and that I will be sent to Hell as well for supporting them.
@@helenarosno and all because homophobia is a sin and yet many religious people push this as some sort of homophobic agenda......love is not confusing as love is not a sin. Never was.
The last part of this was awesome. Identity politics is, indeed, killing our culture and makes it so hard for the Church to reach individuals with Christ’s love. Thanks, guys.
Dog I’m gay and I was specifically told I shouldn’t watch Matt Fradd and after seeing this, I don’t agree with his all his beliefs but he’s so nice and respectful about it that I can’t fault him for it.
@@nycmatt86 no one's forcing you to change. Maybe listen to the video again. It's not about trying to change who you are. We are all flawed and have struggles. It's about recognizing what God wants for you may not be what you're attracted to..self denial is a great virtue.
Father Mike, regarding the “us and them” thing: Ain’t it grand when the world and society work exactly like they ought? The reality is, though, that there has been “us and them” since before there were Homo Sapiens. I am a white, heterosexual female, a senior citizen who has been loved and cared for all my life. It would be so easy to say exactly what you said and, if you will, pay lip service to someone else’s life; but that is not reality and never has been. Even in our parish, our wonderful parish, there is an English speaking Community and an Hispanic community. We both do all we can to bring everybody together; but people feel more comfortable with others who speak the same language, who enjoy the same food and culture, who share similar experiences. Honestly, the evangelization going on in the Hispanic community puts the rest of us to shame. Those guys are on fire, bringing in their friends and relatives and neighbors. Neither you nor I can ever understand what it’s like to be black, Hispanic, gay, autistic, Jewish, abused and unloved, etc. There has to be a better way of addressing these issues than telling people that they have to subscribe to “can’t we all just be friends and do it my way (because I’m right and you’re not)?“
That's the message you get from gay people is that they do just want us all to get along. I loved the way Father Mike puts it though. It's important for people who struggle with this to be accepted & loved - Yes, of course but for who you are or for what you do? Which ties into their discussion of not associating your experience with your identity for those are 2 very different things.
I love this comment, specially coming from a senior citizen, perhaps this lady experienced those days when blacks were rejected and discriminated. I worked in many parishes where I used to ministry to the Hispanic community, I heard and experienced racism coming from members of the Catholic Church in this time of age. I didn't understand why the discrimination nor their actions when the church preaches that we are "one faith, one body". I am glad in your community is more incorporated. Now as an ex-catholic priest rejected by my own sinful inclinations proclaimed by the Catholic Church that being gay is a sin and will suffer eternal damnation, I felt the need to leave that toxic and hypocritical environment because I didn't feel welcomed not even loved. My only desired was to fulfill the commandment of love that Jesus himself left to us. Discrimination to the LGTBQ community is a discrimination to the commandment of LOVE. I feel it is important that if you believe about what you believe live it for yourself as much as you can, do not impose your believes unto other people. At the end God will be the judge for our own actions and ask us how we did: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matthew 24:25.
freedom in knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I choose to follow Christ and the Church now, rather than the addictions of my physical body or sexual desires. It's now so weird to me to even think about "identifying" as the struggle i have. Such a weird thing to id as! Now I identify as a child of God. Thank you God. Help me in this life to go to You and only You.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
❤❤❤ I have been trying to get my daughter to see this and she is not responding at all.. this explains a lot that we think is “ ok “. May God keep her in his arms and show her his truth.
I think this conversation is one of the most important conversations we can have in the world today amount religious ppl. I get frustrated listening to this two talk about this and the reason why? - because neither are gay. I’m very happy in this conversation for Matt Fradd to interject and point out the err in Fr Mikes thought process. Sometimes I wonder what it is ppl think being gay means and I’d love for these to men to sit and discuss that… for example what has being gay got to do with having sex? Maybe I don’t want to have sex with another gay person but I know I am gay. What about as a child I knew I was gay and as much as I did feel shame about being gay I never felt that shame as a child… in fact growing up I learnt where adults were not accepting and comfortable with me being myself around them. Having to constantly fix myself in my life in unnatural ways so that I didn’t make adults think I was gay or that way inclined. I was a child of 5 knowing this about myself. And more importantly why would God create an innocent child in that way and have them inclined towards being gay… very gay. If the church asks gay ppl to be so disciplined with their sexuality than heterosexual ppl; then what place in religion does that put gay ppl? Are we to be celibate? Are we to be priests? Should we have our own order of spiritual endeavor? Like convents and monasteries for gay religious? If we’re serious about our faith than can we actually keep believing that God creates ppl homosexual in order to make young kids hide who they are, suffer the torments of coming out and a life of never actualizing your wants when everyone else doesn’t have to worry about that. Did God create a divide in human nature like this on purpose?
I wonder that too. And just like you, although I'm not gay, it annoys me that most heteros are hypocrites who demand you to remain single but they can't drink their own cup of bitter wine they offer you. Make them stay single and they'd be crying from loneliness. Once again, you're just as human, if they can't drink the cup they expect you to take, maybe they should rethink their beliefs and stop being so ignorant. I'm aromantic and I don't understand attraction much beyond aesthetic, but imagine me being dumb enough to tell heteros "Don't marry, ignore your desires and remain single because Paul says those who do serve the Lord better". See how ridiculous that looks when you apply it to reality? Well that's how they look to me, because they are ignorant.
Well I am gay, I want and will marry my same sex partner, we have sex and we will have surrogate kids. HERE SOME SCIENTIFIC FACTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY: + The WHO, World Health Organization, stated clearly, that homosexuality not a disease or disorder, but a healthy natural sexual orientation. + It is most likely innate (determined by SNP in several genes and by antibodies (NLGN4Y) during pregnancy), as the opposite sex is never sexual attractive to people born homosexual. + Evolution scientists stated in several publications, that homosexuality exists since sexuality exists, since 385 million years. + They also stated, that having homosexual members in the own tribe, gives several evolutionary advantages, which explains the permanent share of 4-10% homosexuals of the population. >> So, the question would be rather: why putting an ethical limit on homosexuality if its natural, healthy and even with a natural sense? >> Especially now as more and more homosexuals marry and adopt and raise kids that else wise would have no parents.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052thank you this is a very beautiful response to my question. I do believe in the soul and in a high power. I do find a lot of that belief is not endorsed by science nor rational reason either. But that’s what’s beautiful about spirituality - it’s also the reason why spirituality is not something that can be contained within rules but the merits of my beliefs I believe would be compassion, love, mercy, forgiveness, and peace. These are things that are not really considered tools, or logical answers to issues. Thanks for your response - I don’t believe sexuality can be a sin either - I had no knowledge of it being a sin but knew I was gay from a young age.
@Lorena-ic9gsdo you think God is responsible for men and women being attracted to each other? Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to minors? Do you think all men or women want to have children? Is there a difference between pedophiles attraction to minors than there is to consenting adults? Do you think God is responsible for some child born one gender and by the age of 12 naturally become the opposite gender (see guevedoces and BBC research). Do you think God created a soul that is sexual at all? You think God is a male or a female? Regarding taking pleasure of torturing others - do you take pleasure telling others God doesn’t approve of them? Whats your motivation… you think Gods love is judging others or telling others they aren’t welcome? You think that’s Christian or compassionate?
The best conversation I heard on this. I'm saying this and I'm not Catholic. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but this was explained very well and came from a great place.
It is us against the devils. The devils have used our weaknesses to bring us to our destruction. Sadly, some people are so damaged that you wont be able to talk them out of the sin, but only through the Rosary and sacrifice.
oh, so i'm 'damaged' because of a hereditary, innate trait of my existence of which i can do nothing about? This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the church sucks.
I love how they like to say love and sex should be together (which in a relationship yes it should be) but when it comes to gay and bi people thats when they say the sex cannot be an expression of love.
@Charles so why can't anyone whose married express love through sex even if they both same gender? People choose parts of the bible that make sense. In guessing you don't approve of slavery (which yes is in new testament) so you don't approve of that part of the bible so why the homophobic stuff. And the bible doesn't say "one man and one women". Im guessing you don't approve of polygamy either?
@Charles also straight men and women have the chance to express sexual love once they are married. They have that choice. Imagine being told you can never express that type of love. Easy saying don't do it if you yourself are gonna be able to express that love one day and they never can.
@Charles I suggest watching "love is all you need" movie on youtube (full movie is better but they did short film few years before it) even if don't agree will give you better understanding on where other side is coming from. Everyone benefits if we understand each other because I do understand where you are coming from.
@@kadeshswanson3991 Sex is a unification of love where 1 man and 1 woman become one to create life. If God had intended for homosexuality to be okay, normal and rejoiced, God would have made it possible for two men and two women to have sex and be able to procreate.
Doesn't that make all sins equal.. I understand his and point but what after that? lying isn't equal to the sin of porn or going to a strip club or leading this lifestyle or abortion.. confused with this messaging
We need to fix our framework we use to talk about what "sin" is. Sin is not merely "bad" behavior. It is ANY behavior that is done outside of knowing who you truly are as God's beloved. The greek word for sin is "hamartia": ha = a negation of, martia (out of meros) = form or identity. Sin literally means "without form or identity" You will never fix bad behavior without first rooting people in their true self. Whenever people begin to live out of their beloved identity, bad behavior will begin to fix itself.
Fmri’s show that the same channels of attraction light up in the brain in gay men(when shown homosexual sexual content) and straight men(who were shown heterosexual sexual content). There is also a strong link between lower amounts of testosterone during pregnancy and being gay. Witness all the other animals on earth engaging in homosexual behaviors. Science is on the side that homosexuality is natural. Not to mention the serious mental health issues that arise when you repress your sexuality as an adult. It’s your life, make your own decisions. Also understand that people choose their own religion, so “God’s authority” may just be your own ideas that you are assigning to a higher power. I am advocating that people put a greater effort to think for themselves.
*[FeelsRestricted]* - You say that homosexuality in nature exists and it proves that homosexuality is “natural”. Does any of that homosexual behaviour result in reproduction, or is it heterosexual behaviour which ensures the survival of the species and without which a species would go extinct? No heterosexual sex - no species survival. That’s what’s natural. If anything, you are actually making an argument for why bisexuality is natural and not why exclusive homosexuality is natural.
I understand that we need to identify all together as one people, just as Fr mike said about ‘othering’ , but I feel like it kinda leads into the same conversation as ‘we’re all the same race. The human race’ which I think can be hurtful. A black man a white man are both part of the human race but there are struggles that a black man has been through that a white man wont experience. The question I have is that if you can’t identify as gay then can you identify as anything. Homosexual, white, black, disabled etc. ? I don’t think any of the things aside from saying your an addict or identifying with a mental illness or trauma you’ve been through is bad. Everything that makes you different can be something your proud of.
@ disabilitea We should be aiming for a more inclusive, less divided global community that breaks down the superficial barriers that divide us. I agree with you that in doing this we must be careful not to down play the issues and the struggles that different minorities experience in a variety of life's facets. Having said that, I don't think saying we're all part of the same race should ever be hurtful unless it is clearly being used to de-legitimize genuine racial prejudice. In biology, I'm not aware that there is consensus on whether there is enough genetic variation in humans to categorise by race. That being said, we have clearly identified differences within ourselves leading to prejudices that must be acknowledged if they are to be defeated.
I think things the descriptors of our physical description should not divide us as a people, these things are minor. I feel we are more divided by how people think and how that leads them to see the world. We have to learn how to communicate with one another, but this is a challenge because there are so many languages and I dont mean English, Spanish, Italian, etc. I mean how we speak, how we describe, what those words mean to us personally. Look at the weird faith, love, good, evil; those words mean different things to different people. And, when it comes to things like mental illness and the assortment of disorders, we should be striving to understand. We cannot cure these things, we must adapt, and become better for it. As you said, a more inclusive society. I feel we've got a lot of work to do. More people need to be honest, more ideas need to be challenged; we cannot live in ignorant bliss. Unfortunately, I don't know the solution. For me, it's been a personal journey. I decide to challenge myself. I do it everyday, with every thought. Even now, I want to delete this and re-write this, but I've done that several times already. The only thing I have tried is challenging others by asking them questions, but the defense mechanisms they use are habitual and they don't usually recognize them. There are so many people on Earth and many perpetuate prejudice, rely on fallacies they don't seem to be aware of, and go generations carrying on traditions that are often ritualistic and often outdated. I don't know if it will ever change the way I want it to, heck, all the people who talk like me could be killed due to some "new" way of life becoming popular and the extreme becoming the norm; people are always looking for a good cause.
Anything is possible with the grace of God. I know someone who struggled for years before he finally married a woman and he now has a happy and fulfilling life with her and their children.
@@Beanie1879 The Satanic Temple is an atheistic organization that fights for equality, religious freedom and womens rights. I dont think I went that far..
WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GREAT!!! This AM I was doing my Bible study and I asked Jesus to send me a overflowing cup of blessing today because I am feeling discouraged and I am reading the entire Bible from beginning to the end and I am in 1st Corinthians and I read today chapter 10:13 there is no temptation that has taken man that is not common to all of us. The answer was that God knows what temptations and trials that are designed specifically for each of us to bring us to him. All come with an escape. You will go through that trial/temptation with VICTORY on the other side if you turn to him. Take that shame or sin to him. Just like you’re talking about today …though this video may be two or three yrs old it came up on my utube channel for me today! God always delivers. HALLELUJAH
more reading & knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
They say that they are not self righteous but what they say about people show otherwise. 12:12 just threw me off. They always put emphasis on sex, that love's physical manifestation is all about the genitalia "fitting" on the other and reproducing. I was so religious back then but felt untrue and not free. I'm 21 and a gay girl. Never felt truer and free from simply acknowledging that. I dont count myself as religious anymore but I still talk to God and even more honest now.
That Matt guy called that priest out for always referencing something negative and equating it to being gay. Religious people are so mean and homophobic, yet preach about love.
@@See-if_I_care That’s because love is both emotional AND physical, giving AND sacrificing. You’re not contributing to society, being healthy, being selfless, or procreation. SSA and homosexuality has some attributes of those things, but it’s an inverted version. Turned inward. It’s lust at that point and is sheer selfishness or spite.
I’m glad you could voice all your views and concerns about the Catholic church. It’s not perfect like anything in this world, it’s run by people who sometimes might have difficulties explaining what the bible really have to say. What’s more important, we are mostly either just too angry or not open minded enough to truly understand other’s people views, believes or experiences they went through. We can only make a correct judgment by getting ourselves on to sides of the story/arguments we are up against. I was just like you my dear friend, I’m gay myself been living full lifestyle for good 5 years, I’m 22 now and through the simple thought of offering my life to God and asking him to show me the real truth I ve been searching like crazy, for all those years I discovered the beauty of the faith through Virgin Mary, God’s mercy and the sacrifice of her Son. Where everything turned against him, beaten, laughed at, betrayed finally nailed to the cross he still looked with mercy and love on all his children without any hatred or anger towards them that did it to him. As I said before, I’m homosexual myself, I can, not so proudly from this point say I was all into it, resulting in falling down hard plenty of times, wouldn’t admit it before but yeah now I can sadly see that. Just thinking I’m striving for the happiness, acceptance and better good of this world. Trying to be heard and understood, on the end arguing with my family to prove them that what their son became should be respected in the name of “love”. We just broke off with my boyfriend and even tho everything looked perfect on the outside, we knew that what we were trying to achieve something impossible loving monogamous loyal gay couple, worth mentioning lgbt community they don’t care about those values anyways. I came back home on the good terms but felt empty inside, I thought about my family, people saying that pray for me and the Miraculous Medal I had on my neck from one of my friends. Felt like I have nothing to loose I started praying, for the first time honestly. Majority of the Mystics people that encountered the presence of Jesus, Mary, Saints or Angels they agree on that they all know of what our next thought is going to be, and I believe that they just helped me with my prayer. It’s the first intention that counts, God is not the Predator he won’t push on you himself or his blessings it’s the beautiful moment when you turn towards him with your own free will that can result in the blessings and love you would never imagine getting. Going back to the story😊 The moment I said God if you exist just show me the way, everything started to change, it was the moment when I opened myself up for what Saints, Jesus, Mary( still talking to us in Medjugorie) really have to say to us. I cried three days my friend. Because beautiful presence came upon me in my dream. It was so pure, so gentle like a feather, bright and warm making you realise that the body that you’re in is just temporary the feelings that your soul can really experience will be shown to you only after death, I wanted to be gone from this world not in the way of suicidal thought in a way of feeling so small towards the love of the Father I just got to experienced. These days I think I got to experience this brief moment so I could share it with others and be sure that there is more to this world than what we just meets our own eyes. I cried because I felt the pain of how all my, to be honest selfish actions hurt that LOVE, not from this world. I changed my life, went to the confession, started going to Eucharist and for the adorations of the Holy Sacrament. The feeling of belonging and acceptance from God was just overwhelming, people were confused of what happened to me, they were saying my eyes changed or something like that haha, I used to be addicted to pornography, masturbating, and just couldn’t stop thinking about my boy. Didn’t ask for it but after confession which I couldn’t stop crying throughout, I walked of and from that point God somehow freed me from those things. Believe me when I say it I tried multiple times to at least reduce all this sexual energy I had built up on me, psychologist, councillors u name it, always failed. After confession I just didn’t feel the need to do so, I remember four weeks in my ex calls me unexpectedly and I really didn’t know what to say to him, was on my way back from church and for those four weeks haven’t even thought about him was just to happy and joyful by feeling somehow free for the first time from my childhood. I just wished him the best and said that it’s hard to explain of what happened. I started reading books about the subject Father Pio came first just an amazing priest that sacrificed life for others, read peoples testimonies!, events in Medjugorie and what Virgin Mary was saying to four then children from 1980s, what was really different, my approach to religion started to shift. I started respecting priests and got a chance to meet a few which became like role models to me. Won’t be describing all the miracles I got to experience throughout but I somehow landed on a pilgrimage to the Holly Land met Nuns there that run orphanage in Bethlehem were I went as volunteer over Xmas, it’s called Home of Peace, attended multiple masses in Birmingham where I could meet people just like me converted by the Holly Spirit and celebrating the Love of God, I know now how small I am and it’s okay, I fight to be Saint every day, praying and putting the trust in Him. I’m a sinner like any of us on this planet I learned that the bigger the cross we have, we expected to do more for others. I will pray for you my friend, wouldn’t usually comment on yt but here I am gently being pushed to do it. Remember one thing that one priest told me during confession, Antoni it’s all about your salvation. God want each and every one of you back next to his Throne in heaven, there is part of him in every and each one of you that’s why once you get to know him a bit you want be as close as possible. Sending peace and love to you my brother, I will pray for you to the One that doesn’t really have a name other than I AM WHO I AM. God bless 😊✝️
Do you mind if I ask you to say how long you've been in this moment with Christ in which you claim to be happy? Your story is interesting. Do your friends already know you are in a new path now? If so, what did you hear from them? More specifically the ones who shared the same vision and pratice as you when it comes about homossexuality that you say you've been frozen by the god you chose to serve
The one thing the Holy Spirit kept telling me when I had shame over a particle sin was my identity was in Christ Jesus! He not only delivered me from that sin. I have now had complete freedom and everything you are saying is the truth! “No condemnation for those that are in the Lord”
But be careful not to violate yourself or to deny the core of your being. Accept yourself fully as you are whatever that might be. You are God's beloved creation whatever you are and however you feel.
@@hei7586 Accept yourself fully in Christ’s image and Christ’s purpose, not by our feelings & thoughts, back to when i was a teenager, I also had this SSA, and even worse I followed my feelings, I always blame God for creating me like this, but? the truth is God created me to live His purpose, to live this life as a real man, even tho till these days the SSA haunts me, but the Truth in me from Him is bigger than my past! so I live as what God created me to be, a man, He died for me, so if I follow my feelings, than my ego is totally bigger than His love, but because of His love, I live in His purpose, and thank God, Jesus set me free from all the twists thoughts that I was trapped in before
I’m sure it’s just me, but this conversation seems choppy. What am I missing? Is this a clip of a conversation? I so much appreciate Father and love his approach to Church teaching and his sensitivity to an issue. His desire for the salvation of souls is so evident. I try to listen to all his podcasts.
This question has already been answered by science. Sexuality can be affected by a number of factors, genetic and environmental, but it's not a choice. It is biological.
He said sex was a choice, not sexuality. You have thousands of urges every day, and it is your choice to act on them. That is the corruption of sin, and you can act on the urges, like stealing from a store, cheating on your wife, lying to your boss, etc... But, even if it is pleasurable to act on those urges, it does not mean that acting on those urges is right. Similarly, if someone acts on those urges, it doesn't turn it into an 'us vs them scenario', but a 'we all have our crosses to bear' scenario. We have to understand that we all want to do things that are not good, sometimes we resist temptation, sometimes we purposefully avoid temptation, and sometimes we allow it to control us. It is not expected for us to not be tempted, or even perfect at resisting temptation, but we should not encourage sinful behaviours, nor should we reject people who have given in to temptation. However, when someone tells us that they are a sinner, and we MUST affirm that their sin is GOOD, we must disagree. We can all agree that sinful behaviours are natural. But, Natural does not mean good. As intelligent beings, we can choose to act against these natural inclinations and we do so every day. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but he will not give us a cross too difficult for us to bear.
Michael Dawson Why is it that specifically homosexual sex is bad? What reason can you give me that it is immoral other than because the Bible says so? It’s not fair to equate sex between two adults as a crime like stealing or a harmful act like cheating. I will ask you one question, if god came down to earth today and told everyone that heterosexual acts would be sinful do you think it would be fair that you would never get to embrace your wife or husband ever again because it’s deemed “sinful” for no reason? I would say no but if you disagree I guess I couldn’t do anything to stop you.
@@juliag6552 Yes, but live and sexual attraction are two different things. Loving someone of the same sex doesn't make you homosexual; being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex does.
At this time, I regret not being able to understand English well and I will take it as motivation to learn it and re-watch this video and better understand what it meant, which I know is very valuable.
@@shereshamarks4517 And here we have the worst way to respond to Clark's comment. Clark, my dude, you might not have asked to be born, but I'm glad you're here.
sheresha marks well, although males and females were created. Almost the entire animal kingdom exhibits some form of gay or bisexual sex. Dolphins for example are one of the only animals that have sex for pleasure besides humans and they exhibit bisexual sex male and female dolphins, mal lions exhibit gay sex to show dominance in the pride, over 80 percent of giraffe mounts are actually between 2 males, some birds like eagles and penguins can imprint on others of the same sex and they mate for life so they won’t pick any other mate. Primates (which are the most closely related to humans) also exhibit gay and lesbian sex. Humans are part of the primate family. So how are we different than any other animal on planet earth. I have seen this first hand. When I worked at the zoo there was a gay penguin couple that had imprinted in each other at an early age.
Levi Stokes my my!!! What a bit of research...only for me to say once again!!! GOD!!!! The All seeing !!! All knowing!!! Creator of all things made!!! Is not one bit confused about what a woman and man was created for and that is to reproduce!!! I found out people will make all kinds of excuses for the sin that has them in bondage 🤔 we must all give account one day for our lives 🙏🏽
I'm new to seeing Father Mike on podcasts. Hey, hardly know what a podcast is. But I'd like to say this, I like what Father Mike says. His words have helped me some. Now, call me crazy but I think I see the light of the Lord in his eyes. I might not agree with just everything I hear some priest or minister says. But what I see is that light in his eyes. There is just no mistaking that light of the Lord in his eyes.
Very well thought out, though I still vehemently disagree with the whole premise. I respect these two men. But I still can no longer subscribe to an ideology that eternally punishes and separates people for, well, anything really, done in a temporary life on earth. Let alone failing to deny and repress romantic attractions that one has had since puberty. Also, as a gay man, this issue is only the first among many issues I’ve developed with the ideology over time. And not even the most significant.
Former homosexual with Aids here. I was not born gay. I have a miraculous conversion story out of homosexuality and the church has restricted me from telling my story which could possible help those with SSA.
@@Dagger_323 There are three parts in his comment wich makes me think he is lying. 1. "Former" Homosexual - I honestly doubt that. He might believe he can pray his SSA away though ... 2. He says he has AIDS. His comment was written 5 months ago. In civilized countries people haven´t had AIDS in 15 years. I hope - set aside the religious issues - the USA is a civilized country. He would have said he is HIV+. There´s a difference. A University proffessor complained that young doctors nowadays wouldn´t even recognize AIDS symptoms because they haven´t seen actual patients with full blown AIDS. 3. The Church restricted? What church? Highly suspicious ;-)
Praise God for Guys like you. This video will help us in dealing with many youth who are struggling with their sexuality. Praise God for such a wonderful shareing. Will circulate to teachers.
hope this helps If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
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I am a Cradle Catholic and used to think I was bisexual (even lesbian a few years prior to that) and genderfluid back in my University days. I never acted on my feelings because something seemed to hold me back. Then I got exposed to a charismatic (I studied in a protestant Bundesland here in Germany) church group at my campus and then I slowly found my way back to my Catholic Faith and I am so thankful for God's patience and that he never gave up on me. No matter how hard I tried.
there is nothing wrong with being gay.
@@juliag6552how can you know ?
@@Docpowel You’re just afraid. It doesn’t change anything if you are. The fate of the universe or that of your soul does not depend on who you love or what gender persuasion they are. For Goodness sakes 🙈
You think God is going to say, hmm.. good person, but not good enough. Chuck ‘em out. Bin ‘em. What the..
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
Pray for me! I’m an atheist- born into Catholicism. I love the religion and how mysterious it is, I know it’s the true religion. Just can’t bring myself into believe there is a higher power whatsoever. I need help!
Juliusius thank you! I will check it out
Praying for you! You are so loved and the Catholic Church will always be here to welcome you home 😊
@@TheMountAndBladerX10 most of which have been discredited by science, and none of which are accepted as valid by other religions, as they have their own list of supposed 'miracles.'
@@alt8791 those "discredited" partsbi would love to see for the newer ones and of course other religions wouldnt accept them, anyome who accepts doesnt have much logical alternatives besides catholicism.
@@alt8791 Yeah, obviously no other religions would accept them lmao. Otherwise they'd be Catholic. What point are you trying to make?
I’m not Catholic but Fr. Mike seriously makes me consider it. Love that dude! So real and compassionate.
Didn't get that feeling whatsoever.
His points are very grounded and mostly gets you from A to B in a straightforward way as much as possible, that's why a lot of people gets him even if they don't agree with him.
Even if you are not catholic, you can get a lot of very interesting information from Fr. Mike’s Bible in a year podcast or here in in ascension’s channel
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Catholicism is awesome.
Fr Mike is skilled at empathy and I think it is genuine. He’s a good guy. I’m not catholic, but I like his discussions.
Maybe you should consider Catholicism :) it is the best thing that would ever happen to you
more discussions If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Do you know him?
Idk friendo, it comes across as hogwash and basura to me
@@AlienInvasionDefenceSystem Someday, I/we would like to welcome you home.
Yo, guys, pray for a humble agnostic who is thinking of doing a complete 180°
Blessings my dear brother.
Carter Morris Repeat this prayer continuously Lord Jesus Christ son of God, have mercy on me a sinner
Carter, how beautiful! The Lord loves you so much. He desires you to know His deep love for you and Mother Mary wants you to know Her deep Motherly love. Come to Jesus. He is waiting.
Hello, Carter. Let's pray for each other, & be in touch. I'm an Orthodox Christian priest. My email is fatherpaulmartin@gmail.com
Don't do it, agnostic is the gateway to being free of archaic belief systems.
Fr. Schmitz is one of the best evangelizers to my generation by far. He is genuine and understanding, yet so knowledgable and sharp.
David DeKold you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
Father Mike a question do Straight people choose to be straight ? No their born that way just like Gays and Bisexuals .😊 Its called common sense you like who you like it's nobody's business as long as your consenting adults .
truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, that you are entitled to, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 many homosexual people who've become straight after encountering Jesus would reject your statement, homosexuality for the most part is a choice and reversible with will. I'd suggest you watch real life testimonies instead... And if you believe in science, you'd know it goes against natural law of reproduction, and doesn't benifit for the progression of a particular species,so much for your "science"
*When the Holy Spirit destroyed People of Lot* 😱😱😱
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The way he plays devil's advocate is so well done and productive to the conversation. You can tell how much work, research, and preparation he put into this. Very impressive
It impresses the ignorant and stupid very well.
Too bad they have no qualifications in any science, so they answered with superstitious propaganda. It only impresses weak-minded, poorly-educated people.
That's what critical thinkers do. We don't just regurgitate nonsensical talking points like the woke left does. We constantly question ourselves and ask ourselves if we are wrong.
When someone doesn't question themselves, it's not confidence, they've been brainwashed.
Being open minded doesn't mean accepting everything (like the woke left does), it means being open to having your beliefs, morals and values challenged. If someone can prove me wrong on something, or can give me new information, I will absolutely change my beliefs to the truth.
@Big Dick Black What does that have to do with anything I said or anything going on today?
Really?
I'm not Catholic but I really enjoy listening to Mike. I had the privilege of meeting him once when he was giving a speech in Brainerd, MN (where I live and where he's from, originally). He is as genuine in person as you would expect from watching his videos. I appreciate that he can impart so much wisdom for all Christians.
I'm a grown man and I have a best friend that is likely repressing SSA, he seems to be going crazy because of his repression, but for all I know he's just so pent up that it's like he's in jail and ready to have sex with anything, it's very strange. I pray he gets better, he definitely needs a woman. I think I'll stay friends with him for the sake Jesus who died for him as much as He died for me, but if he starts coming on to me I know I can't stay.
I'm currently a Non-Denominational Evangelical Protestant, but I'm trying to learn about Catholicism because I want to repair a rift caused in my family when I was born Catholic but raised Protestant from like the age of 3. I went to Christian schools, but the teaching needs to be more advanced and rigorous than you'd find in a Sunday school if we plan on resisting and pushing back on Islam and other Judaizing heresies.
I was a very bad man for a very long time, but I gave my life to Jesus, and so can anyone else, including gays, trans people and even prisoners, God's mercy is for all of us who renounce our sins and ask for forgiveness, regardless of your denomination.
R u celibate? R u a priest? There is something about considering the human condition. The "Human Condition ". U gave something up? The basics. Ur "attraction " to females. I don't think u did
Ur going to be celibate for the rest ur life? That is obviously a choice that u made. Sacrifice? U are giving people that happen???? To be attracted to(terrible)the same I guess mislead route to go. Same sex. And everything about it. Well the best to you. Maybe your calling to the ministry in part was to explain and call back some of the sheep that lost their way.
I agree. There are a lot of things I see error in the Cathollic church when I read the Bible, but I agree with many thinks Mike shares in his video, and I believe it's our personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ that matters more than anything. God will judge each of us correctly. He knows every intent of our hearts. AMEN.
Jesus admits that everyone has a cross. He doesn't indicate that He will take your cross. He tells everyone to pick up their own. Blessed Mother tells us to use our cross as a tool to salvation. All crosses are very heavy. No one is spared. Faith, hope, and love are the only things that make it bearable. To hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
Amen
@@deadislandfanclub so homophobics have their own cross to bare as its a lifestyle they freely chose......Homophobics then should hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
@@pastorbri As Christians we. Believe prayer is a real tool that can sometimes change our circumstanced if God feels it is beneficial to our salvation. Otherwise you're stuck with it.
pastor brian disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle is not a sin.
@@christiandpaul631 I agree which is why we must pray for homophobics to change.
Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins... save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in my need of thy mercy. Amen.
@Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice go to confession...receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Be filled with the grace needed to fight sin. We are called by Our Lady of Fatima (the origin of this prayer) to atttend confession 5 first saturdays in a row.
Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice bless you and may God watch you in your steps
It’s really used for the souls in purgatory, of course your advise is accurate tho. Deus Vult
Amen. I pray that every day, multiple times a day. It's a profound prayer, on par with the Act of Contrition. God bless you.
Hell its not real. gosh
"There's a difference between relief and freedom" - HOLY COW that distinction just blew my mind. So true! Great insight Fr. Mike!!! Thank you!
Same
So true, this applies to everyone’s sexuality, homosexual or not, we all need healing in this area to be free and be the people we were made to be.
He is right that relief can feel like freedom and create the feeling that this is right. Hes also not taking into account that there are plenty of people who never have the fear to then experience that relief, yet still experience that same freedom. Just because its a possible explanation for something does not mean its the only or even the correct explanation. He does acknowledge this rifht after that point as well.
and homophobia is not a freedom
@@pastorbri Homophobia kills people.
I was suffering from gender disphoria for my whole life, I was raised as a protestant christian, when I seriously considered converting to Catholicism and I had sent a mail to my parish it went away. the pastor of that parish told me that when he had received that mail from me that he started praying for me. I feel so blessed by God for having received this sign for His plan for me. I ask you to pray for me, that I may grow in following Gods plan and listening to Him.
@@jeannebouwman1970 God bless you! Praying for you🙏
Wow! Ty for sharing. God bless you.
Done
Father Mike is an amazing and brilliant priest. One of the things I like about him is that he comes across as friendly and approachable, but not in that cheesy way that some priests can be where it’s all about them. One of the issues Fr Mike addresses really well is the difference between experience and identity. Too often, especially in American culture, people think that their personalities and identities are defined by the experiences they have. Also, and he hints at this as well, we live in a culture that very much preaches a message of “if you have a desire, that desire is automatically good, and that desire must be satisfied.“ What the Catholic Church teaches and which is very difficult for many people, is the idea of delayed gratification or making sacrifices, which means not always giving into every desire you have. But if you live in a culture that believes you are expected to give into every desire and that your experience of doing that identifies you, it’s obviously very difficult to resist that.
Well said
He's a cunning propagandist addressing the ignorant to twist their minds
With still a pure love. Not someone under depression One
Yes
@Big Dick Black actually Americans overwhelmingly supported marriage only being defined between a man and a woman. It even failed as an initiative in California, that's right, California. It was only after the Supreme Court arbitrarily forced the rest of the country and the states were forced to adopt a definition of marriage that rendered the word meaningless, that's when opinions started to change. In other words, most Americans like supporting the status quo.
I’ve been struggling with SSA most of my life. Being raised in an atheist family, everybody took for granted that I was “born this way” and showered me with their acceptance. As soon as I started my path towards baptism, my feelings changed. I don’t have to fight SSA - all I had to do was not fighting back Jesus and letting Him guide me. I now look forward to being baptized on Easter and I couldn’t be happier. SSA was the cause for most of the pain in my life: now it feels unreal, like a bad dream.
Congratulations,God bless you 🙏😇
What is SSA? Secret American codes dont cut it on an international platform.
God bless you and have mercy on you 👍
I struggled with transgenderism before, I’m looking forward to my Easter baptism too.
@@cincin4515 Same-sex attraction
So you are in a relationship with a woman now?
@@cincin4515 Same sex attraction
We should pray for our Priests. The Church is under great attack.
I think you mean pray for the Church because the priests deserve to be attacked
@@Taima All Priests? I'll have to disagree.
As it should be.
There are no priests, only preachers and Jesus wanted everyone to be a preacher. You don't need a church, a robe or a license to preach.
@Not My last nameThere shouldn't be any priests in Christianity, because priests are a medium between God and humans. Jesus tught to pray directly to God.
Also Jesus wanted us to only preach his word, which isn't very hard to do.
The greatest lie the devil tells us is that what we experience, we experience alone.
How did you determine that? Where is your research.
@@jamesparson SOOOOURCE PLEASE... SOURCE SOURCE SOURCEE! SNOPES DEBOOONKT
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj lmao
Meaning???
Yup 👍
Mike Schmitz looks like a medium-sized John Cena.
to me he looks like Hugh Jackman "Wolverine"
Nah he looks more like sal from impractical jokers
Yeah.... HOT!
Yeah they look alike
😑😑...😲😲😲😲 He kinda does....😍😍yeah ..maybe that's why I secretly have a crush on this stranger ...lol..feel...weird...but idc...just...a little crush..
Fr. Mike your passionate heart towards people, and your genuine love for them is a testament to your ministry. Bless you.
but homophobia is still a sin
@Ioannis Stefanakis yes I agree we should call out homophobics as sinners, well said.
MIKE IS NOT YOUR FATHER!
@@timsgta well spotted, we have but one father. And who would want a homophobic father anyway!
@@pastorbri I am living for your comments. I'm sick of these homophobes. It's why a lot of my friends send my gf left or don't want to join the church because of trauma.
Well done, gentlemen! May St. Michael give you each a fierce guardian angel to keep you safe😇
:,)) i dont know how i will not be a sapphic, but i do know that if being a Catholic sapphic means having to live in celibacy for the rest of my life, then celibacy it is.
Gurl I’ve come to the same conclusion and I’m hetero.
If I don’t get married, which it’s not looking bright, it’s celibacy for life.
I’ve seen consequences just aren’t worth it.
@@gma904 aMEEENNN
Amen Sister! May God’s graces be poured upon you!
Wow that’s powerful. My sister is lesbian and she can’t come to terms with the Church because she doesn’t want to see her sexuality as a cross. It’s really comforting to hear that someone out there with that cross is still choosing to put God first. May the Lord bless you and keep you forever friend 😊
I'm a lesbisn and I became an atheist while ago, but that's damm respectable, choosing God over a love life.
Christ didn't come to make us happy, He came to free us from our sins.
you just reminded me of the buddy Christ statue from the movie, Dogma. But the reveal is in the reverse order, the crucifix with the bleeding dying Christ is the true image of how we should see him instead of happy winking Jesus that some people justify as Christ that didn't suffer and that our sins aren't automatically forgiven.
"rejoice always, pray continually"1Thessal 15-17 He does want us to be happy... freeing us from our sins can bring His light and peace. And eventually joy granted by the Holy Spirit....But it would be more correct to say that Christ didn't come to grant happiness through worldy pleasures.
It depends what you mean by happy. One could argue that Christ in fact did come to make us experience eudaimonia or happiness.
@@jflores85 my response was the father's video
I agree with you that God didn't come to give us temporary material happiness, but he certainly came to give us eternal perfect happiness with him in heaven
Sex is not love❤️ love is total devotion to each other!
so why do heterosexuals make love if its not love?
pastor brian the make sex and abandon each other the next day
@@邓梓薇 yes heterosexuals are like that
pastor brian ok I am confused wether you re being sarcastic
@@邓梓薇 because your calling gay people for what heterosexuals do also, as if its ok when heterosexuals do it.
Fr Mike reminds me of what Fulton Sheen said about St Joseph's age and appearance. That he probably wasn't an old man, but rather a young, vigorous and handsome man who decided to give it all to God. Same about the Blessed Virgin. Fr Mike is very inspiring! God bless him!
have you read Fthr Calloway's consecration to St. Joseph? it touches a lot on this point.
I miss Futlon Sheen I wish he was here in today's time to set things straight, no pun intended. With his wisdom he surely can help anyone that questions God or teachings of the church
@@daninspiration4064 I agree! I watch (his) posted YT videos.
I am not Catholic, but I love listening to Fr. Schmitz
for more truth read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
This one is a real struggle for me. I have several gay family members and friends. And all of them feel they were born that way. As a heterosexual, I always try to imagine what if society told me I was wrong, and I had to be attracted to the same sex? Could I do that? The answer is no. I simply can't accept that our innate sexuality is a choice. And so I do have to wonder why God allows people to be born that way, and their only real choice to remain in a state of grace is to live a life of chastity. I don't believe they can "convert" and change their innate sexual preference. And I think that would be unfair to a future spouse, as I have seen people try to be "straight" and ultimately their relationship fails because of their innate sexual preference. I'm not saying the Church is wrong on this issue, but it's definitely one I don't understand. I had a priest tell me once that he thought when we die we'll all have questions for God about things we didn't understand. This will be one of mine.
I second this! Great question.
Right there with you! 😣
I hope this acts as some sort of answer for it..at least this is the way I interprete it. Being celibate doesn't mean a life of loneliness and when you encounter the true love of god you won't limit love to a body part. Father Mike most priests do uphold a life of celibacy ( as you know ) and don't regret there decision because Christ brings so much more. I was chaste with my now wife for almost 5 years before we got married. Even now if some reason we could never have sex again I feel I'd be OK with that. It's enjoyable for sure but the joys of life, giving, and sacrifice brings more pleasure then sex ever really could. The hard part tho is getting someone who does struggle with it to see that truth and look past societal norms
@@phillipcockrell5503 I think there's a huge difference between adults who are attracted to the same sex and enter into a relationship consensually and adults who prey on children. I'm pretty sure God sees a difference there too. They may both be sins, but there are degrees of sin. Additionally, in the Catholic faith my understanding is it is very difficult for a man with SSA to enter the priesthood. I suspect it would be similar for a woman with SSA to enter a convent. In either situation, you would be living with members of the same sex, and basically living in a state of constant temptation.
Hi, I've studied something about psicology and yes, people in the first years can decide their sexuality most of the times through their parents relationship, for exemple most of people Who consider themself omosexual have a very present mother and a inconsistent father. Messages like injunction (destructive for the existence and the persona) of this type can be hiden under other more destructive or less social accepted injunctions... and they pass in infant age... they can be in the form of direct message, for exemple a mother that dresses a boy like a girl, or who wanted a girl so much that someway passes her intention to the Kid, It can be an indirect message like the refuse or the insults to the partner or other sex in general, It can also be Just interpreted that way by the Kid, that is the ultimate decision maker and judge of that all... He has an infantile decision to make, and than all his Life will be, if not helped, hiding his sadness under other problems thinking that that injunction Is real for everyone or it "Is Wat It Is", and can't change . And the ultimate problem in this situation Is the "Pride".
Hope to bring another point of view, Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice life, take care!
Okay but Father Mikes hair is fresh asf
He likes to present well on screen.
Looks immature actually soo
He low-key fine 🙊
@David Joseph Really? Hoping God punishes someone? How very Catholic of you! lol. Pray that she turns from it or simply worry about yourself.
@David Joseph You can speak truth and not be a douchebag about it.
Thank you Matt Fradd for your shows.
This discussion with Fr. Mike is kind and Christian and beautiful.
I have been binge watching the Matt Fradd chanel. Its uplifting to my heart to see the profound Christian love on this chanel. Excellent Catholic content. TRUE Catholicism!
Thank you.
@Big Dick Black I genuinely couldn’t agree more, it’s naive people like this that just act like homophobia is something so innocent and isn’t the main reason why people have the problems they do nowadays. I personally believe that God created the two main genders and all the different gender identities he knew what would happen even before it happened, all the different genders had already existed, we just needed time to figure out what they were and from then on we could name them.
At age 8 or 9, when I was praying at my bed side at night, when I finished, I looked up, I saw Jesus. Praying above me, over me, with me.
Delusional, get mental help bro.
Hahaha...then you don't believe in Jesus...your problem dude
@@jccarriere3719@jccarriere3719 Honestly, doing some critical thinking about what you know and what you are told to think is good. Fanaticism will make you see Allah, Vishnu, Krishna or any other major deity, but yeah, you see, Jesus, let that sink in. It's 2000 years of Swifty-like absolute brainwashing, and you turned out just perfect.
@@jccarriere3719 Why is that a problem?
💜 Makes me think of a spiritual director/confessor I had, who during confession used to say, often, "see how WE are... See how we are...“?... It was really" us" and he sometimes cried with me, as if recognizing he was just as as sinful,in need of grace and forgiven. It was always an amazing experience. I never forgot 😊
Wow!
Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up...
@@Fedayeen77 Re. "Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up..."
The authority and duty to forgive is in every human soul who becomes a Christian. Forgiveness is love regardless and is the essential teaching of Christianity. All Christians are repeatedly encouraged in our bible to forgive one another as God forgives us, for our forgiveness of each other is an extension or passing on of God's forgiveness. That is why we are forgiven by God as we forgive others, for God's forgiveness only flows through our self when we forgive others. As we forgive, so we are forgiven. This is all in our bible. Forgiveness heals both the forgiver and the forgiven; it heals our self, and each other, and our relationships. There is no no resentment, no grudgefulness, no shame, no hurt, where there is forgiveness. For those who know them, regret and shame are the worst of human feelings. Worse even than loneliness, for loneliness cuts us off from others, but regret and shame not only cut us off from others but also from our own conscience, from our own self. Conscience grating in the soul is an awful thing. Why would we leave someone to suffer such anguish when we can relieve them. Forgiveness gives relief to troubled souls. As regret and shame are the worst of human feelings, so forgiveness with its power to relieve is the greatest service we can provide for one another. Love is a heartfelt wish that another's suffering be minimal, and forgiveness is that part of love that enables us to love everyone, that enables us to love in all directions, that gives us no excuse not to love, for it enables us to love even those who hate us and who would harm us, it enables us to be kind to all, to be lenient and merciful. Forgiveness is the greatest power for good that our hearts can wield. Jesus gave his life teaching and demonstrating for us the power of love-forgiveness, and our church and our priests continue to teach and practice confession and forgiveness, so that we may love each other regardless, and relieve each other of regret and shame, heal each other and heal our relationships. And what we learn and practice in church we endeavour to practice in life with others, with family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues, and with those who dislike us. Naturally we frequently fail to live up to the standards of our Lord, we let our self down, and people may call us hypocrites, they rubbish us, and mock us, they call us messed up (as you did), but we persevere because we are Christians, because we are committed with the help of faith and prayer to being as loving/forgiving towards our fellow man and women as we can be.
@@Fedayeen77 if you're against Christianity then why would you even listen to this? 😂
@@JBplumbing12 beautifully said
"Better our children should suffer greatly than be happy in depraved and alienating ways." C.S. Lewis - The Problem of Pain
Is it?
@@jaysun2402 Yes.
But is it better that "we cause" our children to suffer greatly for a higher purpose?
Because I think you've just invalidated Catholic notions of love, freedom, justice, prudence, charity and conscience.
I mean, I can see Chinese state propaganda cutting and pasting this sentence in self-justification.
Viewer Discretion you must read CS Lewis’s “The Problem of Pain”. In response to your question whether “we cause”, definitely not to the point of abuse - but disciplining children is extremely important and some suffering is necessary for them (and us) to learn. Here’s another wonderful quote from CS Lewis: “Isn't God supposed to be good? Isn't He supposed to love us? Does God want us to suffer? What if the answer to that question is, 'Yes'"? I suggest to you that it is because God loves us that He [gives] us the gift of suffering.
"I'm not sure that God wants us to be happy. I think He wants us to be able to love and be loved. He wants us to grow-up. We think our childish toys bring us all the happiness there is and our nursery is the whole wide world. But something must drive us out of the nursery to the world of others and that something is suffering.
"You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect."
- C. S. Lewis
But the definition of what constitutes as “depraved” is highly subjective, and varies immensely from one culture to the next.
This protestant (living in a community all too enamored with "identitarian" politics) is extremely compelled and inspired by such a complete, mature, and Christlike explanation and conversation. Thankful for you and for this conversation.
God bless you and guide you through the right path!
He was born that way too. Just sayin
@@robertaiudi6521 I don't follow what you're saying.
@@TheWorldTeacher I would rather say the very opposite. It is time for the world to come back to God, and understand that a world led by "men willings" is soon going to be destroyed. Just look around you.
@@TheWorldTeacher is it better to be God servant or satan slave?
I am gay, and have never had a attraction to females. Not that I don’t find females beautiful. I was not abused, and not have a negative growing up. I am the only guy person in my family. I came out at 18, and had no negative reactions from family, friends, etc. I am Christian, and accepted by all, and no shame in my own experience. I know God exist, and can worship bring a gay man. I am happy, free, and love God. I respect you, and thanks for you thoughts on the subject. However we will have to
Agree to disagree. I could never be in a heterosexual relationship. I could pretend to be in a heterosexual relationship. I would not be happy, and it would not be authentic. Being gay is something I struggle with, or see it as struggle. Being gay may be struggle for some, and can not be dismissed. You can not intellectual talk
someone out of being attracted to same sex. Also being gay is not just about sex. I have had very healthy, normal relationships with a man. The relationships have been accepted, and even celebrated. I will always celebrate being a Christian, and who loves Church, and takes Eucharist, and is gay. I will always be true to myself, as your true to your heterosexual identity. If the Church wants to continue having a narrow view on
homosexuality, that is ok. Obviously the Catholic Church has not reconcile its own struggles. No need to go deeper into that conversation. I think we all know what point is being made.
Even the term "inelegant" is elegant and eloquent, Fr. Mike. You're a uniting source of clarity and understanding for all who listen to you. Thank you.
Enjoyed much of the discussion; but brother Matt's frequent interruptions, to either make a point or complete Fr Mike's thought, made further enjoyment difficult. Recommend a pad and pencil, to record those thoughts and return to them. I say this with respect, absent any malice and overall gratitude for Matt's work.
point is homophobia is the real sin
I agree. It was very distracting, which turned into frustration, which caused me to turn it off.
@@pastorbri - Brian, stop distorting TRUTH.
@@johnnyamerica4336 is this what u will tell God? GOOD LUCK THERE.
@@pastorbri - maybe YOU will tell God what the “real sins are”, I won’t be telling God ANYTHING and until the day I stand in His presence, I will follow Gods Word, the Bible.
I've found fr. mike to match up with the teachings of the bible very well. I show his videos to my faith formation class periodically. He explains things better than I can. Just discovered Matt Fradd, so I"m excited to hear more from him. With the church being almost overrun with females, my male students need to hear from a masculine man of authority. Too little testosterone in the church right now. Thank you men for serving we need you!
Lmao what- my old church was only men. The women didn't get to talk. We need women to take the stage and be leaders, I don't know why you wouldn't want representation and being progressive
Here is a great video for your class.
@@iammerch1805 I don't know where you're located, but where I'm at in the U.S.A almost everything in the church beyond the priest is run by women- specifically elderly women. Moms teach Faith Formation, women handing out the Eucharist, handling the music, and so on. This is about the most uninspiring thing imaginable for people raising boys. I understand women need roles in the faith community but not to the point where they're doing everything.
@Potato Yes, it's excessive and inappropriate. I've taught Faith Formation for many years at my parish and I find it pathetic that only 1 man has stepped up to the plate. I always thank him for doing it. Most of the teachers at school are female so the kids love having a male teacher at church!
wow its all about us blew my mind thank you so much for talking about this is so much love
"There's a difference between relief and freedom." That is so good. The deepest truths in our lives are not often emotionally confirmed. Living authentically is far more holistic and involves a daily struggle.
homophobics seem to have the worst struggle to fight their own hate
@@pastorbri Well, people who hate and despise others in general struggle most with their own hate.
@@134t7 which is why homophobia is a sin.....
If you have to struggle to be something, you’re not that. If you’re struggling to be something worthy then okay the struggle might be worth it.
You have to struggle to be a good person or a doctor because you’re not already a good person or a doctor.
But you can not struggle to be authentic to yourself.
@@pastorbri no it isn't
When my atheist friends ask me how a person is born with original sin I tell them that you have to teach a child to be good, but you don’t have to teach them to be bad. Selfishness is definitely inherent in the human condition. How do I know this? I’m a grandmother!
Also Father, I love how you said a person is not based on an experience.
Animals are selfish too. Are they born with original sin?
but don't we all also have the inherent goodness? that thing inside of us that tells us this is the right thing to do, even no one teaches us. The default internal compass that tells you good and bad.
I'd prefer to think a child/ baby is a clean slate, its up to the parents, and the environment to shape how the child would grow.
However with original sin concept I feel like all of us started from minus, instead of zero. Which I don't think Its fair.
1 Timothy 2:12
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
Under the Christian worldview, you, as a woman, can tell me, a man, nothing. Keep quiet; you're literally prohibited from teaching. Stop sinning, Julie. It's what your divine dictator wants.
@@MichaelBohnJr That's so true
BS. We are born into duality and we are born with choice. We are not born “bad.”
“IT IS SHE whom one should imitate and come close to. We should become hers, become her. Behold the peak of PERFECTION IN MAN." +St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe, ora pro nobis
Homosexuality and alcoholism/cheating are not even comparable, because homosexuality is much more than sexual desire-it’s who you love most intimately, who you want to spend your life with. Something concerning love, one of the most fundamental aspects of being human, can’t be dismissed as an act-it’s much more deeper than that-it’s connection. That connection and relationship is part of one’s identity in a way a habit of cheating or alcoholism cannot ever be.
Yeah and pedophilia or beastiality can be apart of your identity too. Jesus said to deny yourself pick up your cross and follow him
He's not gay. It's like a dog (no disrespect intended) trying to describe... The rainbow. So, he's doing the best he can. Fact is though, the Pope believes we deserve civil rights as well as the ability to have families.
You can love a person without being sexually intimate.
Loving someone of the same sex is entirely plausible, can be felt deeply, no doubt, but sexual relations is solely for a true sacramental marriage as ordained by God, the author of marriage. God alone determines that and the Catholic faith gives us the prescribed way to follow the best we can. Any kind of deviations or stretching to include this or that is treading a dangerous path. But the worst thing is for Catholics, especially Priest and Bishops to go about teaching something other than the prescribed truth as we know it. It would be easy to go the way of free love and sex for all as long as it's with love and meaning, but what the Bible says or Jesus' words are " a hard teaching." His teaching is the hard truth and if we leave the truth, where else do we go?
This Cross is heavier, but it is worth carrying to unite with the Lord
I'm a gay believer. It's an awful place to be, incredibly lonely. With gay people you're totally out of place, in the church you're just there on the periphery. Either way it's almost impossible to find anything to look forward to in life, knowing you won't have your own family and will probably die alone.
Don't let Satan's lies destroy you...Pray and continue to fight against those urges. Jesus is the Saviour of our Soul not Satan and certainly not being the slave of sin. He knows how much you desire to be free from that bondage, and when you fix your eyes upon Jesus and continue steadfast in his Glory and Grace, you will be Sanctified and cleansed of your sin..You are so loved by God that he gave his only son as a sacrifice for us. Please just keep turning away from sin, there are battles ahead and many battles are lost and you will never see the end of that road while your walking with sin. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderfull face, and the things of earth will grow faintly dim, in the light of his Glory and Grace...Amen
Exactly and they don’t care! They don’t want us to live! Catholicism is why I almost committed suicide ! They DO NOT CARE! None of them care and now if hell is real I’ll probably be going there because I can’t un gay myself. I’ll
Live in suffering and die in suffering and spend my eternity in suffering I am reprobate. I wish I was never born and these people will look at my pain and shrug because they care more about their individual salvation than anything else like someone suffering because of their teachings. Also you don’t have a right to feel angry!
You don't have to die alone. There is plenty of people for everyone out there! You could always adopt if you want kids and surround yourself with tolerant LGBTQ friends. Keep trying your best 👍
If you think you were born like that the Good News is that through Jesus you can be born again!
Ask Him to heal you, restore you and make you whole!
To hate your sin is the first step, while you love it there's no regret nor redemption 😘
We all have a cross to carry and no sin is better than other in the end...
May God help you and have Mercy on us all.
Jesus is Lord! He made us and He can remake us again! Believe!
@@TheGypsykueen no better love than christian hate lol
That was a very good conversation, I really enjoyed the points that were made back and forth, even though I agree with others who mentioned that it would be easier if Matt could write down his thoughts and not cut Fr. Mike short in his answers. It still was a genuinely enjoyable conversation, so this is not any harsh criticism, just an idea to make it a bit more smooth.
Father Mike has helped me so much through his videos, he has supported me through a lot of darkness with his talks online. I enjoy Matt's talks so much, he has great guests and an amazing way of including the "other" side. I love that they always estimate and respect and include the other opinions. A great podcast, thank you so much for your work. 🙏🏼💜
another good video ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
Fr. Mike is always awesome, thoughtful and illuminates perspective brilliantly!
Appreciate Matt’s insights in the interviews, but would have liked to hear more from Fr. Mike, with Matt stepping back and listening a bit more. Thanks for this content and broaching this difficult topic, Matt!
1:14 Original Sin
4:05 Experience vs Identity
6:01 Relief and Freedom
Meet with positivity vs detached from negativity
9:24 End of pressure
11:04 Respectful Loving Yet Sinful 11:53
12:40 I and Others ‘13:32 Loves Individuals Not Identities
15:38 Teenager shared his same-sex attraction, hugs, it’s not us and them.
I really appreciate the fact that you sort of debate both sides of the argument and play devils advocate and really seem to consider the issue you’re discussing
which is odd they don't see homophobia as the real sin
"There's a difference between relief and freedom." 🔥🔥🔥
He followed up by stating that he is simply posing the question, as he can never and will never know another person’s experience. ie the quote you provided is merely speculation from his perspective.
@@Formon wonder if homophobics know this?
@@mike-cc3dd So people that have prejudice, hatred, and disgust for gay people... what's the name for that...
@@mike-cc3dd so....bit like racism is not a real thing either or sexism???? REALLY????? Sorry these things are real and sinful and need to be repented of.....sorry.
@@Beanie1879 and homophobics were not even born bigots. It was a choice they made.
Sometimes I often think God DID in fact make/made sexual differences to show us that we need to work on love and acceptance as a human race. People who were made homosexual etc...are the very ones HE gave a specific mission to.
Just like he made me for my purpose.
God did not make any human being sexually aberrant. Our bodies are not designed to healthily engage sexually with the same sex. Males experience cancers, anal retainage deficiencies, deadly diseases and sterility- and an end to their genetic line. This is aside from the spiritual ramifications. Females the same. God designed us with parts meant to engage with their counterparts of the opposite sex, in marriage. Praise God for such a good gift. May those who struggle with SSA find their way to Jesus.
Im not convinced they were made like that tho. Some, maybe. But for a lot, its probably societal influence. It would certainly explain why LGBT people's children are so much more likely to become one as well and would also explain the rapid increase that happened in the last decades
That what I am thinking, I am ssa, I have a different mission in life compared to someone who may be straight
IM SCREAMING we watch fr. mike schmitz videos all the time for theology class at my school and now this is in my recommended... i’m a lesbian... i think my school is trying to tell me something 💀💀💀
Gary Williams this was really interesting! your book sounds fascinating, ill definitely have to check it out sometime.
@De St no such thing as LGBTQAZ ppl....I'll pray for your conversion 😘
@@bobct9583 that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
God _damn._ I am _so_ sorry. Bail! Bail! Bail! Get out! Run from this ridiculous fairy tale!
Shankz PREACH
In my humble opinion people are not born with a sexual preference, but it is learned from society and those raising an individual! The values a society holds is reflected on to its' people!
Definitely agree. Would certainly explain the rapid rise in LGBT in the Western world and also why many of the supposed LGBT people abandon it once they leave college. The stats are also inflated by many young girls claiming they are bisexual
It has always been difficult for gay humans to live life and be a part of life without having to pay for our lifestyle. I know god Loves us all.🙏🙏🙏😇😇😇😇🕊🕊🕊🕊💕💕💕🌹🌹🌹🌹
Your not gay unless you choose it. Since it's an action.
Your lifestyle is a choice since it's a behavior.
Creed C It is an orientation not an action why are you concentrating on sexual activity?
@@allancuseo7431 Well said.
@demigodzilla Look who's talking, God is certainly not hateful!
Father Mike often moves me to tears. Those really pure, humble, delicious, thoughtful kind of happy tears where you are fully present and fully mindful, authentic and still. I don't get to feel that too often. I don't know if it's even appropriate to say, but I dig him. He is doing God's work and that is a beautiful thing to behold. This was a good one. I enjoyed the format of a conversation, and with an Aussie too 😁. Thank you 😊❤️✌️🇭🇲
Yeah, he moves me to tears too. Tears for the heartache he's perpetuating in gay people.
@@porterp How so ?
@@delishme2 I've explained that elsewhere in this thread.
Reminds me of what the late apologist Ravi Zacharias said "Behind every question is a questioner"
We always gotta remember that its a human person asking those poignant stuff that most likely is affecting them deeply.
On my journey to becoming an atheist I had a conversation with my pastor at the time. Im not homosexual, but the data is in and while sure there may be environmental influences for sexual orientation, but its more biological. Regardless of original sin, or god making the person that way, people can be born homosexual. While asking "why did God make me this way" isn't the best question, the point they are Illuding to is valid. Reguardless if it was gods intention or due to the original sin of another being,, they are this way without a choice.
Humans have 2 truly primal drives, survival and sex. While either of these guys may have some struggles, im in doubt either of them struggle with something this deeply engraved in our base psyche. To deem this as immoral is the real question. God never adequately explains why this is considered immoral. I have yet to see how or why it is either.
After a bit of back and forth I could tell that he wasn't grasping the point i was trying to make. So I posited this as an example, what if homosexuality was the only way to reproduce and it is what God deemed holy and moral. Now heterosexuality was deemed immoral by God. So your attraction to your wife was deemed wrong and acting on that is a sin. Imagine this and then explain why this is now immoral and a sin? There isn't a real justification for it and the same applies to when we apply this to our current situation. He had no answer to this and after I looked on my own I also found no answer other than "God said so".
This, is the crux of the issue for the the theists. Even farther if you want to believe this is some devine will thats fine, youre free to believe this and I have no issue with that so long as you treat others with respect. Where I take issue is legislation that prevents people from marring who they choose. If the state, which was founded on the idea of being separated from religion, can recognize heterosexual marriage it needs to also recognize homosexual marriage. If you personally don't want to recognize it thats also your choice, but to attempt to hold your beliefs to others is not the right path.
This is such a good point, and better than anything said in the video. I have no idea why this has less likes than all of the "pray for me" comments.
@@ravenpuff3290 because its a theist based channel and I doubt many athiests actually view things like this. I dont care about any voting system on a platform like this though. Its far from a metric of whats right.
Also from my experience as a theist and being around them genuine challenges to their beliefs are often immediately met with resentment naturally and not intentionally. So its dismissed before being considered because it goes against God and thats not possible to be right.
I think it comes to the premise that sex's main purpose is the survival of the animal species by sexual reproduction. Homosexual sex doesn't bear offspring, therefore, it's only purpose is for sexual gratification and pleasure (sometimes deemed egotistical and selfish, just like masturbation, in church).
Morality is subjective though... and it may have been different back in that time, than it is now. These days people can do whatever they want with their bodies, but christianity says to be warned, for we will be held accountable for the care we gave our bodies.
@@mariokestler5390 then any sexual action that isnt with the intent to bear offspring is wrong? Even within the confines of heterosexual marriage?
@@jlayman89 Biblically speaking, intercourse was meant exclusively for marriage which was the union of a man and a woman, GIVEN the result of the act itself (bearing offspring, taking care and raising it until adulthood). Even in marriage, certain practices and rules took place, for example, not having sex with women on their periods, or men with nocturnal emissions (ejaculation). Masturbation, I think, was also a no-no, due to the ejaculating factor for men, deeming them impure, and for women I'm not sure what repercussions masturbating brought.
So, it's not that sex was meant only for the conception of babies, but because that's the effect that coitus brings, and with that, the responsibilities of parenting in a Bible-structured family. Not that there weren't exceptions, but that's the original 'natural' biblical way. In the times of the Bible, researchers concluded that certain diseases could already be transmitted sexually, so I would think all the DOs and DON'Ts of sex were mostly health precautions, but IDRK 🤷🏻♂️. I only stated that homosexual sex may have been catalogued as an immoral act because it goes against God's original design for anatomy and reproductive phyisilogy, which is that sexual intercourse happens between male and female genitalia, and in the boundaries of marriage, so that the effects of sex (offspring) would be taken care of by the progenitors of the child.
Just in case it's not implied, this is an opinion anyone can disagree with. I'm not telling anyone what to believe or not. I'm just pointing out why would it be unlikely for heterosexual sex be looked as immoral, contrary to homosexual sex, in regards of the hypothetical case shown above. It doesn't show my personal views, which are that anyone could do with their own bodies what they want, and that parenting is not exclusively a heterosexual task in these times.
EDIT: I would also like to add (if this was the main focus of your question), that some acts like oral or anal sex within marriage, that the Bible doesn't speak of, and have no offspring-creating purposes I would also deem as immoral for "not following the instructions manual", because neither the mouth nor the rectum were designed biologically for sexual penetration, BUT 1) That's my personal opinion (not that I live by it anyway). 2) Anything related to what you can or can't do in your married sex life is between you, your spouse and God. Ask Him if it is permitted. If anyone should have the answer, it's Him.
It's not always about identity. If someone is a blind person, it's not their "identity" to be blind, but we and they still refer to them as blind. The descriptor does limit some vocational choices for both populations. All are called to chastity - even blind straight people.
@David Russell Blind people are certainly in the Bible, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
@David Russell No, I did not cite the Bible. Nor did you. Hence your comment is not Biblical. How about try using your God-given brains?
Yes thank you for saying this. People against "identity politics" seem to forget this line of thinking. Even when it comes to things like race and gender! I don't "identify" as black I just AM black lol. I don't "identify" as a woman, I AM an adult human female. I get frustrated when people refer to the material reality of my existence as "identity politics" or identitarianism. It's like, sorry for having melanin? Sorry for being female? I don't understand why describing reality accurately is seen as a "divisive" crime to so many people these days. How is me existing as black and female dividing us? What's the point of having these descriptive words if we don't actually want to use them? Sorry for the rant I just had to let that out!
but we are not ALL called to chastity.......otherwise the population would stop. Sex is not a sin!
@@pastorbri I don't think you understand what chastity means. Look it up.
I can relate to the experience vs identity perspective he is talking about. I had a major drug problem for many years but I'm clean and sober now only thanks to the grace of God so I'm NOT an addict anymore. The addiction community perpetuates the "always an addict" thought process. It hinders people's ability to move past it. I'm a child of God now. So I get it the experience vs identity thing. Good stuff
Addiction is not comparable to orientation.
7:57 Good, I'm glad Father Mike said this (and great job Matt) - I have my own experience with this. I remember the beginning of the homosexual thoughts following various abuse by various people - some sexual, some physical, and some that warped my relationship with male authority. I remember the guilt from the same authorities based on Christian beliefs. I remember the fear-based focus and self-testing that brought these new impulses to the fore and pushed my more fundamentally innate heterosexual instincts out of focus a bit. All of this before the age at which such sexual elements of my identity were due to emerge without undue influence.
Now eventually I grew up and first stopped judging gay people when I met them and realised they were "good" decent humans but then stopped believing in God for other reasons. It became a no-brainer to support gay rights but I also explored the possibility that I myself was bisexual and had been messed up because of puritanical Christian beliefs.
It became obvious that I lacked what gay men self-described as an innate lack of attraction to women and an equivalent positive attraction to other men. I did have an attraction to gay sex but it was more akin to a fetish of some kind. It had nothing to do with my truest and most loving self and everything to do with more superficial psychological artifacts developed based on early abuses. I didn't find men attractive, or the idea of a relationship with a man attractive and I kept finding that I sought out sex just to explore and find answers only to find that the one obvious experimental result I kept ignoring was that I wasn't really enjoying any of it. It was a fetish and not akin to my heterosexual drives.
So I stopped. I happened to open up to a cousin of mine who pushed for an answer and I admitted my less-than-healthy sex life. That made it real and not just in my head and within a week or two I had ended all activity. It wasn't long after that my renewing relationship with God turned back into Christianity (to my surprise and sort of against my social comfort zone) and a subsequent process of sanctification really rid me of all confusion and pervertion from my truest and most loving design on that level along with others. That's a much longer and more interesting story that I won't go into here.
However, where does this leave me with regard to those who always identified as gay in a more certain way than I ever was? As you point out, they consider homosexuality to be their truest and most loving design. Are they all just mistaken because few people have as long memories of being fully aware as I have (I suspect trauma does that to people - I know a few people with such memories of being aware as toddlers but most seem not to) and are they mistaken about what they consider innate? I'm sure some are like me but I can't imagine all are. Either way, I cannot claim to know because only God who IS truth and love and who did design them would know.
So I have come to a sort of compromise on the issue but I'm not saying I'm satisfied, just that here is where I am. Gay pride and all civil rights are all about being our truest and most loving selves in their purest form. This is also what sanctification by God literally is. So accepting what I don't know, I feel like I can safely encourage anyone to engage in a relationship with God and tell them that IF being gay really is their truest and most loving design by God then great, and if it isn't then great too. I suspect it is not because the Bible has been shown to me to be God's word beyond any doubt by God Himself. I also know it is clearly not the OG purpose of our sexual drives although that isn't that convincing an angle. If not for the Bible I would happily make my own choices and leave others to theirs and not worry about them but I do worry even though it isn't my problem as such. But I do see the expression I recognise as soul-strain in the eyes of many gay people so I pray that whatever is the case in reality, that they find God through Christ and figure it out between them. Unless a person is a Christian, it's one step removed from my relationship with them. Until they are, we can all agree that true love is the aim even if we have different perspectives on that and they may not yet know truth/love is the conscious, living Creator God who has a far better viewpoint than they can have even on their own selves.
So do you look down on atheists?
@@jamesparson How could I?
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 They don't bother with the being a Christian for one thing...
@@jamesparson Yes, I was an atheist myself. I'm not really sure why you think I'd look down on atheists though.
Sexuality is fluid and can change over time.
This is the one point I have the most difficult time with. The analogies here presume that gay people don't experience urges to smoke or watch porn or whatever, and therefore can't tell the difference between those types of urges and their inherent wiring. Science even shows us that so much happens in the womb that influences gender - it is not only related to the genitalia. Is it possible that substance and accident also happen in humans? I think there is so much that we really don't know in our limited capacity. I love my church, but I have such a hard time reconciling this with both Catholic theology and with science. Faith and reason.
I do appreciate that Fr. Mike acknowledged that they have to be careful about not coming across like they are talking about people who aren't part of the conversation, and creating an "us and them."
DRM you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
I completely agree
its because homophobics tend to lie
same. I'm Catholic, but I have a lot of friends who are lgbtq+ and preaching to them does nothing but hurt them and push them away. It's such a confusing time for everyone in my friend group, non of us really knows what to believe, but we all know that we love and accept each other. I often make jokes about how the devil will have to snatch them from my cold dead hands himself lol. I want all of us to end up in heaven and it breaks my heart that something that makes my friends so happy and free can inevitably get them sent to Hell and that I will be sent to Hell as well for supporting them.
@@helenarosno and all because homophobia is a sin and yet many religious people push this as some sort of homophobic agenda......love is not confusing as love is not a sin. Never was.
The last part of this was awesome. Identity politics is, indeed, killing our culture and makes it so hard for the Church to reach individuals with Christ’s love. Thanks, guys.
Maybe if the church was less judgemental of those individuals then they'd have an easier time reaching those individuals...
@@Thenoobestgirl The church doesn't judge anyone. It's not man's role to judge. Jesus will judge.
Dog I’m gay and I was specifically told I shouldn’t watch Matt Fradd and after seeing this, I don’t agree with his all his beliefs but he’s so nice and respectful about it that I can’t fault him for it.
This life is nothing but a test in exile. Im praying for you.
God makes no mistake... He has a plan for you. Just don’t fight against Him - and He shall lead you to the light. I’ll pray for you.
@@hoofixrman ahhahahahh
@@lorenzolozzigallo2589 you can't force us to change that makes you homophobic and ignorant. Stop denying your sexuality!
@@nycmatt86 no one's forcing you to change. Maybe listen to the video again. It's not about trying to change who you are. We are all flawed and have struggles. It's about recognizing what God wants for you may not be what you're attracted to..self denial is a great virtue.
May God & Mother Mary Bless Everyone & Them we love Father Mike ! 💗❤️✝️🥺💕💞
Amen. God Bless you and your family.
Father Mike, regarding the “us and them” thing: Ain’t it grand when the world and society work exactly like they ought? The reality is, though, that there has been “us and them” since before there were Homo Sapiens. I am a white, heterosexual female, a senior citizen who has been loved and cared for all my life. It would be so easy to say exactly what you said and, if you will, pay lip service to someone else’s life; but that is not reality and never has been. Even in our parish, our wonderful parish, there is an English speaking Community and an Hispanic community. We both do all we can to bring everybody together; but people feel more comfortable with others who speak the same language, who enjoy the same food and culture, who share similar experiences. Honestly, the evangelization going on in the Hispanic community puts the rest of us to shame. Those guys are on fire, bringing in their friends and relatives and neighbors. Neither you nor I can ever understand what it’s like to be black, Hispanic, gay, autistic, Jewish, abused and unloved, etc. There has to be a better way of addressing these issues than telling people that they have to subscribe to “can’t we all just be friends and do it my way (because I’m right and you’re not)?“
Praised be to Jesus, sister in Christ. You got it down RIGHT 🙏🏻🕊💕
That's the message you get from gay people is that they do just want us all to get along. I loved the way Father Mike puts it though. It's important for people who struggle with this to be accepted & loved - Yes, of course but for who you are or for what you do? Which ties into their discussion of not associating your experience with your identity for those are 2 very different things.
Amen, Sister! You've got it!
I love this comment, specially coming from a senior citizen, perhaps this lady experienced those days when blacks were rejected and discriminated. I worked in many parishes where I used to ministry to the Hispanic community, I heard and experienced racism coming from members of the Catholic Church in this time of age. I didn't understand why the discrimination nor their actions when the church preaches that we are "one faith, one body". I am glad in your community is more incorporated. Now as an ex-catholic priest rejected by my own sinful inclinations proclaimed by the Catholic Church that being gay is a sin and will suffer eternal damnation, I felt the need to leave that toxic and hypocritical environment because I didn't feel welcomed not even loved. My only desired was to fulfill the commandment of love that Jesus himself left to us. Discrimination to the LGTBQ community is a discrimination to the commandment of LOVE. I feel it is important that if you believe about what you believe live it for yourself as much as you can, do not impose your believes unto other people. At the end God will be the judge for our own actions and ask us how we did: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matthew 24:25.
ma’am you are SO right, god bless 🥺💗
“There’s a difference between relief and freedom.” I felt that in my soul💚
freedom in knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Part of his ministry is to go out there and tackle questions and getting in touch with others without forcing opinions. I think this went well.
teach the children first ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
I’m orthodox but I think Fr. Mike would make for an amazing bishop.
I praise how you both simply love us🙏✝️
GOTTA WATCH ... ruclips.net/video/xvhMQ-oQV2k/видео.html
I choose to follow Christ and the Church now, rather than the addictions of my physical body or sexual desires. It's now so weird to me to even think about "identifying" as the struggle i have. Such a weird thing to id as! Now I identify as a child of God. Thank you God. Help me in this life to go to You and only You.
www.firstthings.com/article/2014/03/against-heterosexuality
being gay isn't a struggle!!
Being gay isn't about sex or addiction.
I'm getting so much out of this, thank you both for this conversation. It's definitely hard for those who face this, praying for all🙏
It's not hard to be gay, it's hard to suffer abuse at the hands of homophobes.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
This is an excellent conversation! Great job gentlemen!
For a second I thought hat that one guy was drinking vodka 🤣🤣🤣
He is hahahahaha
What?! Is there something wrong with vodka and religion?!? Ben you sound vodka-phobic!!! Lol 😂 I a big fan!!! Shalom
Me too.
I thought you were actually Ben Shapiro for a sec lol
Me too then I saw it was actually holy water... which some may say vodka is :-)
1. Most amazing explanation ever.
2. I thought that was a vodka bottle.
I did too! 🤣🤣 I was like dang, he’s bold !
I did not understand what the priest said. He was talking in circles.
❤❤❤ I have been trying to get my daughter to see this and she is not responding at all.. this explains a lot that we think is “ ok “. May God keep her in his arms and show her his truth.
this is one of the most sensitive conversations on this dynamic experience I have heard. These distinctions are subtle and hard to sift.
see the vid for basic knowledge ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
I think this conversation is one of the most important conversations we can have in the world today amount religious ppl.
I get frustrated listening to this two talk about this and the reason why? - because neither are gay.
I’m very happy in this conversation for Matt Fradd to interject and point out the err in Fr Mikes thought process.
Sometimes I wonder what it is ppl think being gay means and I’d love for these to men to sit and discuss that… for example what has being gay got to do with having sex? Maybe I don’t want to have sex with another gay person but I know I am gay.
What about as a child I knew I was gay and as much as I did feel shame about being gay I never felt that shame as a child… in fact growing up I learnt where adults were not accepting and comfortable with me being myself around them.
Having to constantly fix myself in my life in unnatural ways so that I didn’t make adults think I was gay or that way inclined.
I was a child of 5 knowing this about myself.
And more importantly why would God create an innocent child in that way and have them inclined towards being gay… very gay.
If the church asks gay ppl to be so disciplined with their sexuality than heterosexual ppl; then what place in religion does that put gay ppl? Are we to be celibate? Are we to be priests? Should we have our own order of spiritual endeavor? Like convents and monasteries for gay religious?
If we’re serious about our faith than can we actually keep believing that God creates ppl homosexual in order to make young kids hide who they are, suffer the torments of coming out and a life of never actualizing your wants when everyone else doesn’t have to worry about that.
Did God create a divide in human nature like this on purpose?
I wonder that too. And just like you, although I'm not gay, it annoys me that most heteros are hypocrites who demand you to remain single but they can't drink their own cup of bitter wine they offer you. Make them stay single and they'd be crying from loneliness. Once again, you're just as human, if they can't drink the cup they expect you to take, maybe they should rethink their beliefs and stop being so ignorant. I'm aromantic and I don't understand attraction much beyond aesthetic, but imagine me being dumb enough to tell heteros "Don't marry, ignore your desires and remain single because Paul says those who do serve the Lord better". See how ridiculous that looks when you apply it to reality? Well that's how they look to me, because they are ignorant.
Well I am gay, I want and will marry my same sex partner, we have sex and we will have surrogate kids.
HERE SOME SCIENTIFIC FACTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY:
+ The WHO, World Health Organization, stated clearly, that homosexuality not a disease or disorder, but a healthy natural sexual orientation.
+ It is most likely innate (determined by SNP in several genes and by antibodies (NLGN4Y) during pregnancy), as the opposite sex is never sexual attractive to people born homosexual.
+ Evolution scientists stated in several publications, that homosexuality exists since sexuality exists, since 385 million years.
+ They also stated, that having homosexual members in the own tribe, gives several evolutionary advantages, which explains the permanent share of 4-10% homosexuals of the population.
>> So, the question would be rather: why putting an ethical limit on homosexuality if its natural, healthy and even with a natural sense?
>> Especially now as more and more homosexuals marry and adopt and raise kids that else wise would have no parents.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052thank you this is a very beautiful response to my question.
I do believe in the soul and in a high power. I do find a lot of that belief is not endorsed by science nor rational reason either. But that’s what’s beautiful about spirituality - it’s also the reason why spirituality is not something that can be contained within rules but the merits of my beliefs I believe would be compassion, love, mercy, forgiveness, and peace. These are things that are not really considered tools, or logical answers to issues.
Thanks for your response - I don’t believe sexuality can be a sin either - I had no knowledge of it being a sin but knew I was gay from a young age.
@Lorena-ic9gsdo you think God is responsible for men and women being attracted to each other?
Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to minors?
Do you think all men or women want to have children?
Is there a difference between pedophiles attraction to minors than there is to consenting adults?
Do you think God is responsible for some child born one gender and by the age of 12 naturally become the opposite gender (see guevedoces and BBC research).
Do you think God created a soul that is sexual at all? You think God is a male or a female?
Regarding taking pleasure of torturing others - do you take pleasure telling others God doesn’t approve of them? Whats your motivation… you think Gods love is judging others or telling others they aren’t welcome? You think that’s Christian or compassionate?
Watching from Trinidad and Tobago. Luv it. I subscribed for more
The best conversation I heard on this. I'm saying this and I'm not Catholic. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but this was explained very well and came from a great place.
It is us against the devils. The devils have used our weaknesses to bring us to our destruction. Sadly, some people are so damaged that you wont be able to talk them out of the sin, but only through the Rosary and sacrifice.
oh, so i'm 'damaged' because of a hereditary, innate trait of my existence of which i can do nothing about? This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the church sucks.
@@alt8791 seethe harder loser
@@madworld. seethe harder loser
rubbish, the rosary is a man made thing and sacrifice what? We could sacrifice homophobia
I love how they like to say love and sex should be together (which in a relationship yes it should be) but when it comes to gay and bi people thats when they say the sex cannot be an expression of love.
@Charles so why can't anyone whose married express love through sex even if they both same gender? People choose parts of the bible that make sense. In guessing you don't approve of slavery (which yes is in new testament) so you don't approve of that part of the bible so why the homophobic stuff. And the bible doesn't say "one man and one women". Im guessing you don't approve of polygamy either?
@Charles also straight men and women have the chance to express sexual love once they are married. They have that choice. Imagine being told you can never express that type of love. Easy saying don't do it if you yourself are gonna be able to express that love one day and they never can.
@Charles I suggest watching "love is all you need" movie on youtube (full movie is better but they did short film few years before it) even if don't agree will give you better understanding on where other side is coming from. Everyone benefits if we understand each other because I do understand where you are coming from.
You brought up a good question. To which I think more questions need to be asked. If you don't mind what purposes does sex fullfill?
@@kadeshswanson3991 Sex is a unification of love where 1 man and 1 woman become one to create life. If God had intended for homosexuality to be okay, normal and rejoiced, God would have made it possible for two men and two women to have sex and be able to procreate.
“If it wasn’t this it would be something else!” Great point for this evangelist.
Doesn't that make all sins equal.. I understand his and point but what after that? lying isn't equal to the sin of porn or going to a strip club or leading this lifestyle or abortion.. confused with this messaging
We need to fix our framework we use to talk about what "sin" is.
Sin is not merely "bad" behavior. It is ANY behavior that is done outside of knowing who you truly are as God's beloved.
The greek word for sin is "hamartia": ha = a negation of, martia (out of meros) = form or identity.
Sin literally means "without form or identity"
You will never fix bad behavior without first rooting people in their true self. Whenever people begin to live out of their beloved identity, bad behavior will begin to fix itself.
Fmri’s show that the same channels of attraction light up in the brain in gay men(when shown homosexual sexual content) and straight men(who were shown heterosexual sexual content). There is also a strong link between lower amounts of testosterone during pregnancy and being gay.
Witness all the other animals on earth engaging in homosexual behaviors.
Science is on the side that homosexuality is natural.
Not to mention the serious mental health issues that arise when you repress your sexuality as an adult.
It’s your life, make your own decisions. Also understand that people choose their own religion, so “God’s authority” may just be your own ideas that you are assigning to a higher power.
I am advocating that people put a greater effort to think for themselves.
*[FeelsRestricted]* - You say that homosexuality in nature exists and it proves that homosexuality is “natural”. Does any of that homosexual behaviour result in reproduction, or is it heterosexual behaviour which ensures the survival of the species and without which a species would go extinct? No heterosexual sex - no species survival. That’s what’s natural. If anything, you are actually making an argument for why bisexuality is natural and not why exclusive homosexuality is natural.
@@stymiedagain that's why homosexual individuals aren't the majority, genius.
I understand that we need to identify all together as one people, just as Fr mike said about ‘othering’ , but I feel like it kinda leads into the same conversation as ‘we’re all the same race. The human race’ which I think can be hurtful. A black man a white man are both part of the human race but there are struggles that a black man has been through that a white man wont experience. The question I have is that if you can’t identify as gay then can you identify as anything. Homosexual, white, black, disabled etc. ? I don’t think any of the things aside from saying your an addict or identifying with a mental illness or trauma you’ve been through is bad. Everything that makes you different can be something your proud of.
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We should be aiming for a more inclusive, less divided global community that breaks down the superficial barriers that divide us. I agree with you that in doing this we must be careful not to down play the issues and the struggles that different minorities experience in a variety of life's facets. Having said that, I don't think saying we're all part of the same race should ever be hurtful unless it is clearly being used to de-legitimize genuine racial prejudice. In biology, I'm not aware that there is consensus on whether there is enough genetic variation in humans to categorise by race. That being said, we have clearly identified differences within ourselves leading to prejudices that must be acknowledged if they are to be defeated.
I think things the descriptors of our physical description should not divide us as a people, these things are minor.
I feel we are more divided by how people think and how that leads them to see the world.
We have to learn how to communicate with one another, but this is a challenge because there are so many languages and I dont mean English, Spanish, Italian, etc. I mean how we speak, how we describe, what those words mean to us personally.
Look at the weird faith, love, good, evil; those words mean different things to different people.
And, when it comes to things like mental illness and the assortment of disorders, we should be striving to understand. We cannot cure these things, we must adapt, and become better for it.
As you said, a more inclusive society.
I feel we've got a lot of work to do. More people need to be honest, more ideas need to be challenged; we cannot live in ignorant bliss.
Unfortunately, I don't know the solution. For me, it's been a personal journey. I decide to challenge myself. I do it everyday, with every thought. Even now, I want to delete this and re-write this, but I've done that several times already.
The only thing I have tried is challenging others by asking them questions, but the defense mechanisms they use are habitual and they don't usually recognize them.
There are so many people on Earth and many perpetuate prejudice, rely on fallacies they don't seem to be aware of, and go generations carrying on traditions that are often ritualistic and often outdated.
I don't know if it will ever change the way I want it to, heck, all the people who talk like me could be killed due to some "new" way of life becoming popular and the extreme becoming the norm; people are always looking for a good cause.
What a beautiful comment.
you can learn to control temper and addiction but you cannot control whom you are attracted to !! i feel like
Anything is possible with the grace of God. I know someone who struggled for years before he finally married a woman and he now has a happy and fulfilling life with her and their children.
@@theirishcherokee Denying ourselves romantic love that we want/desire sounds very unhealthy.
I think I'll stick with the Satanic Temple.
@@theirishcherokee Jesus/God NEVER wanted anyone to "deny ourselves". Turn from sin, I can agree with that but "deny ourselves"?
@@Beanie1879 The Satanic Temple is an atheistic organization that fights for equality, religious freedom and womens rights. I dont think I went that far..
Amen
WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GREAT!!! This AM I was doing my Bible study and I asked Jesus to send me a overflowing cup of blessing today because I am feeling discouraged and I am reading the entire Bible from beginning to the end and I am in 1st Corinthians and I read today chapter 10:13 there is no temptation that has taken man that is not common to all of us. The answer was that God knows what temptations and trials that are designed specifically for each of us to bring us to him. All come with an escape. You will go through that trial/temptation with VICTORY on the other side if you turn to him. Take that shame or sin to him. Just like you’re talking about today …though this video may be two or three yrs old it came up on my utube channel for me today! God always delivers. HALLELUJAH
Thats great....enough motivation for me...
more reading & knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
They say that they are not self righteous but what they say about people show otherwise. 12:12 just threw me off. They always put emphasis on sex, that love's physical manifestation is all about the genitalia "fitting" on the other and reproducing. I was so religious back then but felt untrue and not free. I'm 21 and a gay girl. Never felt truer and free from simply acknowledging that. I dont count myself as religious anymore but I still talk to God and even more honest now.
That Matt guy called that priest out for always referencing something negative and equating it to being gay.
Religious people are so mean and homophobic, yet preach about love.
the truth ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
@@See-if_I_care homo preach love but its not true either
@@See-if_I_care That’s because love is both emotional AND physical, giving AND sacrificing. You’re not contributing to society, being healthy, being selfless, or procreation.
SSA and homosexuality has some attributes of those things, but it’s an inverted version. Turned inward. It’s lust at that point and is sheer selfishness or spite.
@@GeoffreyChilesTV What the hell are you talking about ?
I’m glad you could voice all your views and concerns about the Catholic church. It’s not perfect like anything in this world, it’s run by people who sometimes might have difficulties explaining what the bible really have to say. What’s more important, we are mostly either just too angry or not open minded enough to truly understand other’s people views, believes or experiences they went through. We can only make a correct judgment by getting ourselves on to sides of the story/arguments we are up against. I was just like you my dear friend, I’m gay myself been living full lifestyle for good 5 years, I’m 22 now and through the simple thought of offering my life to God and asking him to show me the real truth I ve been searching like crazy, for all those years I discovered the beauty of the faith through Virgin Mary, God’s mercy and the sacrifice of her Son. Where everything turned against him, beaten, laughed at, betrayed finally nailed to the cross he still looked with mercy and love on all his children without any hatred or anger towards them that did it to him. As I said before, I’m homosexual myself, I can, not so proudly from this point say I was all into it, resulting in falling down hard plenty of times, wouldn’t admit it before but yeah now I can sadly see that. Just thinking I’m striving for the happiness, acceptance and better good of this world. Trying to be heard and understood, on the end arguing with my family to prove them that what their son became should be respected in the name of “love”.
We just broke off with my boyfriend and even tho everything looked perfect on the outside, we knew that what we were trying to achieve something impossible loving monogamous loyal gay couple, worth mentioning lgbt community they don’t care about those values anyways.
I came back home on the good terms but felt empty inside, I thought about my family, people saying that pray for me and the Miraculous Medal I had on my neck from one of my friends. Felt like I have nothing to loose I started praying, for the first time honestly. Majority of the Mystics people that encountered the presence of Jesus, Mary, Saints or Angels they agree on that they all know of what our next thought is going to be, and I believe that they just helped me with my prayer. It’s the first intention that counts, God is not the Predator he won’t push on you himself or his blessings it’s the beautiful moment when you turn towards him with your own free will that can result in the blessings and love you would never imagine getting.
Going back to the story😊
The moment I said God if you exist just show me the way, everything started to change, it was the moment when I opened myself up for what Saints, Jesus, Mary( still talking to us in Medjugorie) really have to say to us.
I cried three days my friend. Because beautiful presence came upon me in my dream. It was so pure, so gentle like a feather, bright and warm making you realise that the body that you’re in is just temporary the feelings that your soul can really experience will be shown to you only after death, I wanted to be gone from this world not in the way of suicidal thought in a way of feeling so small towards the love of the Father I just got to experienced. These days I think I got to experience this brief moment so I could share it with others and be sure that there is more to this world than what we just meets our own eyes. I cried because I felt the pain of how all my, to be honest selfish actions hurt that LOVE, not from this world.
I changed my life, went to the confession, started going to Eucharist and for the adorations of the Holy Sacrament. The feeling of belonging and acceptance from God was just overwhelming, people were confused of what happened to me, they were saying my eyes changed or something like that haha, I used to be addicted to pornography, masturbating, and just couldn’t stop thinking about my boy. Didn’t ask for it but after confession which I couldn’t stop crying throughout, I walked of and from that point God somehow freed me from those things. Believe me when I say it I tried multiple times to at least reduce all this sexual energy I had built up on me, psychologist, councillors u name it, always failed. After confession I just didn’t feel the need to do so, I remember four weeks in my ex calls me unexpectedly and I really didn’t know what to say to him, was on my way back from church and for those four weeks haven’t even thought about him was just to happy and joyful by feeling somehow free for the first time from my childhood. I just wished him the best and said that it’s hard to explain of what happened.
I started reading books about the subject Father Pio came first just an amazing priest that sacrificed life for others, read peoples testimonies!, events in Medjugorie and what Virgin Mary was saying to four then children from 1980s, what was really different, my approach to religion started to shift. I started respecting priests and got a chance to meet a few which became like role models to me. Won’t be describing all the miracles I got to experience throughout but I somehow landed on a pilgrimage to the Holly Land met Nuns there that run orphanage in Bethlehem were I went as volunteer over Xmas, it’s called Home of Peace, attended multiple masses in Birmingham where I could meet people just like me converted by the Holly Spirit and celebrating the Love of God,
I know now how small I am and it’s okay, I fight to be Saint every day, praying and putting the trust in Him. I’m a sinner like any of us on this planet I learned that the bigger the cross we have, we expected to do more for others. I will pray for you my friend, wouldn’t usually comment on yt but here I am gently being pushed to do it. Remember one thing that one priest told me during confession, Antoni it’s all about your salvation. God want each and every one of you back next to his Throne in heaven, there is part of him in every and each one of you that’s why once you get to know him a bit you want be as close as possible. Sending peace and love to you my brother, I will pray for you to the One that doesn’t really have a name other than I AM WHO I AM. God bless 😊✝️
Do you mind if I ask you to say how long you've been in this moment with Christ in which you claim to be happy? Your story is interesting. Do your friends already know you are in a new path now? If so, what did you hear from them? More specifically the ones who shared the same vision and pratice as you when it comes about homossexuality that you say you've been frozen by the god you chose to serve
Excellent dialogue, we are all God's children and we want the very best for one another in truth.
The one thing the Holy Spirit kept telling me when I had shame over a particle sin was my identity was in Christ Jesus! He not only delivered me from that sin. I have now had complete freedom and everything you are saying is the truth! “No condemnation for those that are in the Lord”
I have not yet watched the video, but I am legit terrified as to what he’s gonna say. Alright, let’s get on with it. I’ll update when I’m finished.
Al T did u finish
Esteban Molina no
Esteban Molina not worth the anger
@@alt8791 Agreed. I can't finish. It's resurfacing my trauma 🙃
Thanks, I needed this with my gender identity disorder.
But be careful not to violate yourself or to deny the core of your being. Accept yourself fully as you are whatever that might be.
You are God's beloved creation whatever you are and however you feel.
@@hei7586 amen
@@hei7586 Accept yourself fully in Christ’s image and Christ’s purpose, not by our feelings & thoughts, back to when i was a teenager, I also had this SSA, and even worse I followed my feelings, I always blame God for creating me like this, but? the truth is God created me to live His purpose, to live this life as a real man, even tho till these days the SSA haunts me, but the Truth in me from Him is bigger than my past! so I live as what God created me to be, a man, He died for me, so if I follow my feelings, than my ego is totally bigger than His love, but because of His love, I live in His purpose, and thank God, Jesus set me free from all the twists thoughts that I was trapped in before
Excellent dialogue! Thank you Matt & Father Mike.
I’m sure it’s just me, but this conversation seems choppy. What am I missing? Is this a clip of a conversation? I so much appreciate Father and love his approach to Church teaching and his sensitivity to an issue. His desire for the salvation of souls is so evident. I try to listen to all his podcasts.
This question has already been answered by science. Sexuality can be affected by a number of factors, genetic and environmental, but it's not a choice. It is biological.
He said sex was a choice, not sexuality. You have thousands of urges every day, and it is your choice to act on them. That is the corruption of sin, and you can act on the urges, like stealing from a store, cheating on your wife, lying to your boss, etc... But, even if it is pleasurable to act on those urges, it does not mean that acting on those urges is right. Similarly, if someone acts on those urges, it doesn't turn it into an 'us vs them scenario', but a 'we all have our crosses to bear' scenario. We have to understand that we all want to do things that are not good, sometimes we resist temptation, sometimes we purposefully avoid temptation, and sometimes we allow it to control us. It is not expected for us to not be tempted, or even perfect at resisting temptation, but we should not encourage sinful behaviours, nor should we reject people who have given in to temptation. However, when someone tells us that they are a sinner, and we MUST affirm that their sin is GOOD, we must disagree. We can all agree that sinful behaviours are natural. But, Natural does not mean good. As intelligent beings, we can choose to act against these natural inclinations and we do so every day. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but he will not give us a cross too difficult for us to bear.
Michael Dawson Why is it that specifically homosexual sex is bad? What reason can you give me that it is immoral other than because the Bible says so? It’s not fair to equate sex between two adults as a crime like stealing or a harmful act like cheating.
I will ask you one question, if god came down to earth today and told everyone that heterosexual acts would be sinful do you think it would be fair that you would never get to embrace your wife or husband ever again because it’s deemed “sinful” for no reason? I would say no but if you disagree I guess I couldn’t do anything to stop you.
but homosexuality isn't solely about sex, a same sex couple could feel strong true love just as a straight couple could.
@@juliag6552 Yes, but live and sexual attraction are two different things. Loving someone of the same sex doesn't make you homosexual; being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex does.
At this time, I regret not being able to understand English well and I will take it as motivation to learn it and re-watch this video and better understand what it meant, which I know is very valuable.
Did you ever get to re-watch?
@@maryclairecooke6295 Yes, I did, and I really liked it!
Well I was born gay, I didn't ask to be this way, heck I didn't even want to be born anyways.
My goodness!! SMH God is not confused about gender honey God is well aware of what he created the man and woman for🙏🏽
@@shereshamarks4517 And here we have the worst way to respond to Clark's comment.
Clark, my dude, you might not have asked to be born, but I'm glad you're here.
AMoliski listen dear and heed what I said 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽 yes his life is very much valuable but let’s not ignore God plan!! Bless you also
sheresha marks well, although males and females were created. Almost the entire animal kingdom exhibits some form of gay or bisexual sex. Dolphins for example are one of the only animals that have sex for pleasure besides humans and they exhibit bisexual sex male and female dolphins, mal lions exhibit gay sex to show dominance in the pride, over 80 percent of giraffe mounts are actually between 2 males, some birds like eagles and penguins can imprint on others of the same sex and they mate for life so they won’t pick any other mate. Primates (which are the most closely related to humans) also exhibit gay and lesbian sex. Humans are part of the primate family. So how are we different than any other animal on planet earth. I have seen this first hand. When I worked at the zoo there was a gay penguin couple that had imprinted in each other at an early age.
Levi Stokes my my!!! What a bit of research...only for me to say once again!!! GOD!!!! The All seeing !!! All knowing!!! Creator of all things made!!! Is not one bit confused about what a woman and man was created for and that is to reproduce!!! I found out people will make all kinds of excuses for the sin that has them in bondage 🤔 we must all give account one day for our lives 🙏🏽
I'm new to seeing Father Mike on podcasts. Hey, hardly know what a podcast is. But I'd like to say this, I like what Father Mike says. His words have helped me some. Now, call me crazy but I think I see the light of the Lord in his eyes. I might not agree with just everything I hear some priest or minister says. But what I see is that light in his eyes. There is just no mistaking that light of the Lord in his eyes.
Very well thought out, though I still vehemently disagree with the whole premise. I respect these two men. But I still can no longer subscribe to an ideology that eternally punishes and separates people for, well, anything really, done in a temporary life on earth. Let alone failing to deny and repress romantic attractions that one has had since puberty.
Also, as a gay man, this issue is only the first among many issues I’ve developed with the ideology over time. And not even the most significant.
Kudos to you!
Former homosexual with Aids here. I was not born gay. I have a miraculous conversion story out of homosexuality and the church has restricted me from telling my story which could possible help those with SSA.
I dont buy it...
Zayan Watchel you have not even heard this person’s story, and you prematurely pass judgement. Not wise.
@@Dagger_323 he said the church has restricted him from telling a story that cured his homosexuality, which is bullshit and not how anything works.
Zayan Watchel agreed. Mr Sale, I implore you to tell your story. First amendment, people. First amendment.
@@Dagger_323 There are three parts in his comment wich makes me think he is lying.
1. "Former" Homosexual - I honestly doubt that. He might believe he can pray his SSA away though ...
2. He says he has AIDS. His comment was written 5 months ago. In civilized countries people haven´t had AIDS in 15 years. I hope - set aside the religious issues - the USA is a civilized country. He would have said he is HIV+. There´s a difference. A University proffessor complained that young doctors nowadays wouldn´t even recognize AIDS symptoms because they haven´t seen actual patients with full blown AIDS.
3. The Church restricted? What church?
Highly suspicious ;-)
Praise God for Guys like you. This video will help us in dealing with many youth who are struggling with their sexuality.
Praise God for such a wonderful shareing. Will circulate to teachers.
hope this helps If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I will finish with this. I see you, you are a good man, pure of heart, full of love. You are intelligent. Use it wisely, better!.