You're NOT as TALENTED as you think
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2018
- *ADDENDUM*
The topic of this video is a massive one and I had to be very top-level with it. One thing I think I should have mentioned in hindsight is how social and economic privilege plays a large part in the opportunities we are afforded. So in addition to my "well done" for your achievements, also be aware how much of that has been accessible to you due to external factors beyond your control.
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A quick look at our understanding of talent and what scientists are now saying about how we actually learn and develop following an initial study by Dr. K Anders Ericsson in 2007.
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*TO ADDRESS A LOT OF COMMENTS:*
It’s important here to not confuse cause with effect. Of course people coming to a subject new will have a massively varied discrepancy in ability. From birth we are all exposed to different stimuli, attitudes, experiences, knowledge etc. There is much scientific dispute over whether babies are born a ‘blank canvas’ or not. But the reason for this is not really what this video’s about. It’s about how we move forward from here when we face challenges.
The way our education system functions now is based on what’s known as *Growth Mindset* (worth a Google to learn about it). It has proved to be a very effective method. Top line: teaching with an understanding that ability is not fixed and that failure is an opportunity to grow rather than a sign that you’re not innately good at something. That ability is varied because we haven’t been exposed to the same experiences and stimuli in our lives rather than simply born being better at music, maths, art etc.
Jamie Windsor You could really go to town on this if you wanted too, if you have the time that is? You could be like a mentor for a selected few subscribers. Give them a structured game plan and monitor their progress.
I agree with this post more then the video. The use of the word talent is overwhelming in our culture. Sometimes good sometimes bad.
I think you need both a want or drive & the time & determination to become good then great then excellent then a master. It's a long road and we aren't tested for want as a child because we don't have need and without need there is no want. You need something so you want it or more of it or more of it that expresses yourself or your world view that's a lot to ask let a lone test for before we know the alphabet!
We generally look to please our parents at these ages so they have a big say in artistic education. I always find it amazing that someone will spend thousands on their child for sports or music but not photography or computer programming, and others think that paints & brushes are a waste Not going to even talk about public education.
But it really comes down to drive some comments say you can't be good at something if you have no talent. But that is simply not true!
There are many things people don't even think of as a skill then someone makes it into a sport. Some people think that natural talent outshines tools and complaints of tools is the sign of the untalented. I think that's absurd! Sure to some extent a camera is a camera a violin is a violin, but ever edit video on a 20 year old computer! Can one man make it as a director without help? A ballerina without a group of people to help?
Drive matters! Support matters! Tools matter!
You can't just chuck it down to Talent! It's a mix without one you will fail without enough of all 3 you will fail! When you hit that mix that works for you and sadly only you. You will you make it passed the wall! On to face the next wall tweaking that mix as you go.
Jamie Windsor Wow mind-blowing video. The weird thing is that while watching your video I was also thinking about the same thing "Growth Mindset". We have to learn to accept criticism and learn from our mistakes to better ourselves. Eliminating our fixed mindsets enable us to reach even greater heights in our potential. For a second there I forgot that this was watching a photography channel because you could honestly be a motivational speaker or life coach. Good Job 👍😊 looking forward to more of your videos 👏👌
My old comprehensive school now operates a very successful consultancy trust, taking the Growth Mindset into other schools in London. They reckon that even intelligence itself can be grown by the right approach, if you start early enough. Failure, and learning from it, is critical. It's the polar opposite of the non-competitive, "everybody wins" mindset.
"Nurture vs Nature" is not a zero-sum game. The key point about the growth mindset is that you are not fixed. Sure, some people may start out with more "natural talent" than others, but it's how you grow from your start-point that counts.
I think it's most important that one compare what they think they produce to what can be produced, and that's why the "masters" of any field are so influential. If people are happy with the stuff they are doing, then fine. But if they are missing something in their mind, put the time in to figure it out. It goes for anything: mechanics, driving, mathematics, woodworking, painting, photography, interpersonal skills, relationships, cooking, etc. I know that my 1st instagram photo, which I thought was amazing, was as you say rubbish. But a few thousand's later, with a goal of improving the product/image/outcome is remarkable, and remarkably rewarding. And that doesn't even include tech. Bottom line: if you focus on improvement, and really put the work into it, you will get better- at everything- no matter where on the grand scale of were when you started given what you had. And, inspirationally, improvement is just a down right nice thing to achieve, in any arena. That's why we're here, right? ... I hope.
Those first 10000 shots must have cost a fortune back then.
Eric Chandler I thought the same thing.
277 rolls of 35 mm film, 5 dollars each = 1385 $ each. Not so much. And this is compared to nowadays expensive films, which were much cheaper in those days. The chemistry is not so expensive if you make it your self (and I believe they cocked it by themselves those days ). Not everything is printed. So this is not an excuse.
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Film was way cheaper in the film days.
but nowadays it cost 0 dollars to shoot 10000 shots (excluding the money that goes in battery charging between sessions, of course)
The main difference is that, in the film days, we were more thoughtful about out photos, so I think he learning happened with fewer photos than it does today.
Of course, few took enough photos to get to Cartier-Bresson’s level.
I’ve always hated that word. It’s insulting to those who work very hard to get where they are, and discourages those who want to pursue something new. Awesome video once again!
While I agree with Jamie on some of the points in the video.Some people are born with an innate talent for a thing.Mozart was writing classical music at 6 years old. As for the Bresson quote,his first 10000 photos are probably better than all but 0.01 % of us will ever achieve. It doesn't mean that you can not work at improving yourself.Regardless of how many hours I spend running each day or how many hours I spend reading books on physics,I will never be faster than Bolt or more intelligent than Einstein.
Of course, there will always be standouts like Bolt and Einstein, but that's missing the point of the video, in my opinion. Not saying the playing field is level for everyone at birth, but that with hard work you can achieve great things, without being naturally talented.
I actually totally believe the opposite is generally true. That talented people are proud to be considered special and are offended by the idea that they are just like everyone else.
Should read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Talent does matter but at the end of the day, hard work, having the right awareness and presence of mind to seize opportunities is a lot more important. In other words, luck. But the common denominator for all forms of success, is hard work.
The only word worse than TALENTED is GOD-GIVEN. My hard working does not have anything to do with a bunch of people that invented year 0
As said before, talent is just pursued interest. So when you tell someone they're 'talented', though you may mean it as a compliment, it's more of an insult as you're dismissing all the blood, sweat, and tears that went into getting how that person got to where they are. 'Skilled' is the word most mean when they say 'talent'.
SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT !
A talent is roughly 59 kilogram, so I have about 1.3 talents ;-)
Thats the about same thought process Peter Dinklage views with the word “Lucky”
as for me, i totally agree with you, but when i hear people say im talanted, i hear it like 'skilled'.
In my opinion you can be a talented photographer without being a skilled or even a good photographer. It all comes down to the definition of talent though.
Any time someone tells me "you're so talented" I quickly correct them. I've worked hard for my improvement, simply attributing it to some magic "talent" undermines that hard work.
Same goes for gear. My students tell me they want to buy the same camera as me so they can take good photos, and I have to crush their spirits by telling them a good camera doesn't make a good photographer, time and effort do. I've also seen a few photographers on RUclips using my dream gear (a Nikon D850) and their photos are so bad it actually encouraged me to stay with my D5500.
TL;DR: Hard work, not talent or gear.
Jordan McChesney yes sir! I actually realized that it wasn't the gear after I got a D850, I felt I started getting better on that camera. Then I had to go back to my D5200 to use a lens that didn't cover full frame, and I couldn't really know the difference between the shots of the D5200 and the D850. At first I got bummed, then I realize that once you know were you wanna get, you'll get there regardless the gear.
Couldn't agree more gear wise.. I heard this before somewhere and it resonated with me regarding photography..
It's like a cook making a great meal for someone, and they say after eating it, "that meal was superb! I bet your oven is amazing!!"
The real lightbulb moment is knowing great or bad photography has nothing to do with equipment.
Thats actually a very good message when restarting my whole channel - the only problem when doing the best you can and learning all those things is to accept that you are "not quite" there yet and just put your stuff out there.
Cheers mate!
TravelDuck Absolutely. Everything is a journey of improvement, but doing it is the most important thing.
Love your videos! Sleek, straight to the point, and with a great message.
Thank you! For a long time I was struggling to apperciate myself cause I was too focused on what I can't do. You're a huge ispiration to me
Thank you for video. Your videos help me to stay grounded.
Thanks a lot. I've been thinking about this for a long time and I came up with the same conclusion.
I really love your intro and outro sequences. They're so damn good.
Michael Purinton Thanks
great message! i really enjoy the way you choose to record your videos. most people would sit in their chair and say whatever they wanted to say, but its nice how you've put effort in making a simple video very visually interesting
Love your videos. Such a good content and amazing production.
Brilliant :) thanks, great words Jamie!
Nice content Jaime! Keep your great work flowing!
Thank you so much for the dedication you put in your videos! Your reflexions are both humbling and motivating, plus your editing is the bomb!
I love you James! Thanks so much the content up there.
Love this! Made me so hopeful for my video editing skills progressing! I was feeling stuck and lost a little bit! Thank you!
Great message Jamie. I like your channel and how you develop as a RUclipsrs. I really value your videos. Thanks for that.
Hey Jamie, thanks for sharing this video, this will makes me motivated.
Another well thought out video with a great message.
You gained a subscriber, great video!
i've also had a problem with the word "talented" for a long time, you basically explained it better than i ever could
That video felt quite motivational. I really like your work!
Thank you!! Great words and a lot of help.
You're videos are insane!!! Good work! can't wait to see more content
I love your videos, especially as they ask as many questions as they answer. It seems to me that posting to youtube is the quickest way to learn technique but learning to create real content that matters seems to be in short supply. Your videos often inspire that. Thanks!
Fantastic video man
Keep up the great work !!
I love your videos:) Thank you....I needed to hear this!
Another fantastic video with an even better and important message.🙌🏼👌🏼
Great video Jamie! This was a really interesting way of approaching things.
Thank you
Dude I subbed after seeing your other street photography video. Dude you got some production value on this shizzle, that intro !
Wow. Your channel just skyrocketed. Congratulations! Cheers! -Tuomas
TeenyChannel Thanks.
Well done buddy...well said. Finally someone who’s telling it how it is. Loved your medium format tests and will be buying your presets and others and also liked the camera fight video. Someone is watching.. I’m a struggling pro who’s also annoyed with the world of quick gratification. Rock on 🤘
Thank you so much for speaking on this subject. I try my best to explain it to others, however when i speak it comes out wrong. Now i will send them to your video. Plus this is what my university taught me in the 101 class. Again thank you so much.
Great content Jamie! I always get something out of all your videos.
Stacey A Thanks. That’s my aim so that’s very good to know.
Love it, I was waiting for the 10,000 hours concept to come up. As always I appreciate your consideration to the philosophy and intangible elements that go into our lives and art. Also the intro/outro cuts were amazing. I could have watched a whole video of just that!
That's a hell of a point !! I agree that people have abilities in different discipline but if you practise enough you're getting better and better !! Still dig the directing of you videos and the accuracy (is that a word?) of your subjects !
Thank you again.
I truly appreciate the overall theme you are creating with this channel. Sure there are plenty of photography Channels on RUclips, but far too many focus on the gear and trendy techniques of photography. Very few focus on the mindset that goes into becoming a better photographer.
Your work always motivates and inspires.
Thanks Jamie.
I had been putting off watching this because I misread the title's emphasis as simply keywording. Really glad I watched it now though as although mentioned in other media and fora, the message is an important one. Keep up the good work and I wish you a well-balanced success!
Bravo! Love your messages and even more how you convey them in this form. Hard work and lots of passion!
Thanks man! Good talk and learned a lot.
Great piece, I get it. I’ve always said what may be a cliche “ you learn from your mistakes “. Thanks Jamie for this quite inspirational video.
Great videos and awesome channel. Valuable stuff!
Your videos are so great ... I learn so much technically and personally and you give me confidence in striving in my own way💜 thank you!
I love your videos!!! I love that you really know the photograghers
Thanks I'm feeling inspired once again by you're video. Keep up the good work man! Cheers!!!!
You make a lot of sense in ur videos... thanks for sharing
Great video, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Quality content again. Much appreciated thanks
Awesome video! I think people get discouraged about not being a "natural" or talented, and those who love to learn and put in the WORK to over time develop their own style and overall become better. Love that you followed up your last video!
These great! Keep them coming Jamie
Great video, mate! Congrats!
Great video! And a refreshing word of truth. Keep it up!
Another inspirational talk JW thank you 🙏🏻
love the video, thank you!!!
amen, brotha!!!!
The intro was fiiiiiire!! nice edit
WHAT A great video!! Love this. Everything about it!
Great video, dude, thank you!
This is the video and message I needed today thank you
This is quite an eye opening for me. Thank you!
Great follow up to the previous video. I really appreciate your analytical approach to big questions.
Great video a lot to think about.
Love your videos man. Also your edits are 🔥
First time I have ever seen your videos and you have gain a subscriber. This is a really powerful video and the truth, what I seek everyday in my life. As a photographer myself, I agree with that you have said. Thanks.
Thank you.
you're killing it with these vids :) ... and i couldn't agree more!
Amazing as always. Cheers!!!
Love your works!
You are making a lot of excellent points that are part of my experience. Thank you.
Great Stuff - Love ya work Jamie :)
I love your video man! Very inspiring stuff :)
I really enjoy your visual style. Quite a lot actually. Subscribed.
I guess your message is alright too.
Thanks sir, this was right on time. Some photos that I take, makes me feel like I'm improving. And then my very next photos taken, makes me realize that I still suck at this lol. But back up on the horse I get.
I missed this video when it was published... I'm reminded of a valuable piece of wisdom I picked up years ago. It was directed at a particular skill, but it has merit in every type of skill so I'll generalize it:
If you say you have 20 years experience doing something, but never push yourself to improve, you actually only have one year of experience 20 times over.
It's possible for someone to keep repeating what they have been doing and never improve. Growth requires some form of challenge, either in a weak area or a new area of the skill. The challenging of myself is what's really helped me grow as a photographer. I feel like I spent years of just having that first year experience, and now that I'm trying new things and minimalizing my dependence on gear I'm finally growing and becoming good
Great message dude
Jamie, these videos of yours educate much more, than any tutorial video. I am glad that we are not getting some tips-tricks tutorials from you every second day, and you make quality content. Also I agree with what you say, people nowadays tend to call almost anything art, and I think that is also a fault of "Modern Art Museums" elite, who decide whether you see something there or not. Thank you again for this great video!
Very inspirational, thanks!
So true...so true. Well presented and explained.
You're a legend mate, thank you!
I`ve been teaching Photography for about 10 years now and I really think your observations are spot on! Keep up the good work and ignore the haters!
This video gave me the motivation I need to finish a daunting project. :)
JJStudios This is really nice to hear. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing! Very insightful so this already on diffrent photography blogs
This is a fantastic and very real encouraging video. Bravo. Truth.
Another great video, Jamie.
Dope editing 👌
Very inspiring production to any one who doubts their ability. This applies to anything in life you have a passion or love for. If you have those two ingredients, it will give you the energy to practice and strive for perfection. Thanks for your efforts, keep up the good work!
GOSH I love your content!
Wow awesome message!!!!
Excellent video...
Absolutely love the message of the video.
I'm not even into photography but the way you convey ideas through these amazingly well made videos is what I love about this channel.
Love your videos!
Marcus Zetterblad Thank you.
Finally, someone talking! Thank you very much! Really makes me angry, when someone says to me I'm lucky because I'm good at something. It is not luck, I spent years and years sometimes 20+ hours a day to learn and practise.
Very good video! Thank you for that :))
LOL 5000 plus responses. They love you man.... Cool video Jamie...I'm off to practice with my camera and embrace my mistakes like picking up my camera again...lol. Cheers mate.
Such an important message that so many people fail to realize! Actually one of my pet peeves, when people say "Oh he is/she is/ you are so talented, I wish I could do that..." THEN PUT IN THE WORK! Masters aren't born, they're created. Thank you for sharing this :)
love this, thank you Jamie
DAMN!!!!!!!! The other video BLEW up. Congrats man!! It had it was really good!
I'm not done with this video but I really like what you said about your reaction to art being subjective rather than art, itself, being subjective. I feel like that's a very important destination and am very interested on where you go with the rest of this video!
Wonderful video