Is Gender a Social Construct? in 7 Minutes
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Gender is a very touchy subject these days - whether you believe it's a social construct or you don't. Both sides of the argument seem to overlook evidence on the opposing view. In this short video I'll go over some of the main arguments and evidence that both support the idea of gender as a social construct and refute it.
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Summary:
In recent years many social scientists have begun to believe that gender identity is not a stable and fixed trait. They argue that it is socially constructed and can vary over time. Some have even argued that there are more than two genders and have created additional classifications by using terms such as cis-gender, transgender, gender queer, non-binary, gender fluid, agender, etc.
Anyways, the two competing ideas about whether gender is a social construct come from the familiar nature vs. nurture debate. In other words, is it our environment that makes us who we are or our biology?
Those who say gender is a social construct often argue the following:
1. There are differences in gender norms in different cultures. For example there are subcultures in India that identify three genders. And in Chile some believe you must channel another gender to accomplish certain tasks. The list goes on. According to the academics Candace West and Don Zimmerman gender is “an emergent feature of social situations: both as an outcome of and a rationale for various social arrangements, and as a means of legitimating one of the most fundamental divisions of society" (West & Zimmerman, 1977, p. 126). By the way I looked up Candace West on Rate My Professor and she only got a 2.1 out of 5. Would you eat at a restaurant that got such a low Yelp score? I don’t think so. Old Donny didn’t do much better.
2. Language forms our reality. The words man and woman are simply words to describe certain phenomena, but don’t describe every option or experience of all people in our culture. Phrases like “be a man” or “boys don’t cry” are used to pressure boys into conforming to traditional masculine gender roles while “run like a girl” and other women-centered phrases pressure girls into behaving in a way that is considered traditionally feminine.
Others say that gender is a feature of nature, not nurture. They say:
1. Being exposed to testosterone and estrogen will make the way we behave inherently different. For example, there are studies that show male babies and female babies behave differently given different stimulus. Male babies tend to stare longer at mechanic objects while female babies tend to stare longer at faces which may explain why women and men tend to find themselves in different career paths -men often gravitate toward science and engineering while women toward health care and education.
2. The reason some women and men identify as a gender opposite of their sex is because sometimes nature has hiccups. For example some female fetuses are exposed to large quantities of male hormones and develop Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia - a fancy term for a disease that may alter the sex organs of people. Also, there are members of the trans-community that believe gender is biological. Some transwomen have stated that while they were brought into this world as men, from the get go they felt biologically that they were women, and thus behaved as a woman. Their argument is that if gender was socially constructed, then as a boy who felt like a girl they would have been socially pressured into feeling like boys. However, despite being socially pressured into feeling like boys these transgender women have always felt like women despite their sex being male.
3. A boy named David Reimar whose circumcision went horribly wrong, was given sex reassignment surgery as a 22 month year old and was raised as a girl named Brenda. Brenda was given girl toys, but always seemed to gravitate toward more traditionally boy toys. Eventually as a teenager she expressed her suicidal thoughts to her parents, and her father told her what had happened. Despite the female hormones and socialized pressures to be a girl, Brenda identified as a male and changed her name back to David when she was 14. Years later David started treatment to reverse the reassignment given to him as a 22 month year old and married a woman. Unfortunately years later after battling with a failed marriage and depression, at 38 years old he killed himself. This shows that despite the social pressures of David’s parents and doctors to identify as a girl - he still felt like a boy.
every time I hear transgender being referred to as a 3rd gender I get a headache
me too. It's like they don't even understand what transgenderism is about even though, it absolutely doesn't negate the fact that they're 2 genders but instead reinforces that idea.
But it depends on how you are defining gender. Look:
The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
Gender: your biological sex.
There's people who believe that Transgender is an umbrella term. Aka that Transgender is basically being anything other than Cisgender. Rather than transitioning from one side of the binary to the other.
I sure as fuck ain't one of those people.
I think , it will be better if nobody identify to a gender and put others in cases they don't want to belong to. I mean , seriously ? who cares if you're a man or a women , if you identify as a girl or a boy. We know what we are . Focus more on human than on gender because that's why we are so divided on this society (men vs women , colored people vs white, diseable vs valid,...) we all belong to the same spiece the human spiece
So you mean that hermaphrodite people can't be saved ? ^^ because hermaphrodia people are boys and girl at the same time . And I don't think that vital organ work differently according to if you're a boy or a girl
Great video, but there's one small inaccuracy - David Reimer wasn't named David at birth. He was originally named 'Bruce', but was re-named 'Brenda' after the accident, and when he was told he was originally male, he then chose the name 'David' for himself. It's not a significant error, but the audience should be aware, just in case they're writing essays etc. and need accurate detail :)
Katie Thompson yes and he shot himself in the head lol
thanks also john money was a horrible person
"yes and he shot himself in the head" - 24 years later. What fueled that decision was not what had happened to him as a child. It may have been a contributing factor but it wasn't the primary reason.
shmeet glad you read his mind.
@@ylq His depression cleared up as soon as he reverted back to being a boy. His family stated that he lost his job and his wife left him in quick succession just before his suicide not to mention he was still grieving from his Brothers death that happened 2 years prior so yeh it's safe to assume that those 3 things would drive the most happiest of people to suicide or atleast into a heavy depression.
the comment section is a warzone, come here if you're looking for neutral ground
No. I want a WARRR
lemme just shout my opinions about gender then: I believe gender is not a social construct, but gender roles are
also trans people aren't always third genders
and nonbinary people exist lol
@@almostjay159 there is no war here for both grounds are equal 😤😞
@@almostjay159 i think your confusing sex (your genitals) with gender (social roles)
@@dardick1213 maybe, but just remember gender is usually a tangible thought people have about their identity, which is how trans kids know who they are
so there are three aspects: gender identity, gender expression, and sex
Im chilean and i have never heard about the chaneling of gender....
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Good I am going to live in Chile
tampoco xd
well, you are about 20 M people, it's probable that there are different cultures other than the ones you know
He may refer to mapuche culture, to be more accurate, machi culture, where gender is fluid, its not a common known part of our culture, but it's still part of it
gender isnt, gender roles are
they're the same thing....
False. theres a difference between what you identify as and what society wants you to identify as.
Dan B 0809 society recognizes your sex and then forces gender on you which refers to the gender roles they try and make you follow.
But what gender you identify as is mainly biology, however, society says "well, you identify as this, so you have to be like this."
Dan B 0809 that's sex. Your biology is your sex.
Rate my professor is not a valid place to discredit or credit the legitimacy of any person's scholarly work.
Completely. It was intended as a joke...
Ariel Pffft, are you kidding? If 90% of your class gives you a 1 star because you are monotonous, boring, disorganized and fail a high percentage of your class due to your inferior methods for teaching what does that say about you? Compare that to a teacher who's voted highly for being enthusiastic, organized and communicates effectively what needs to be studied; face it, there are shitty teachers out there and they get down voted as a result of it. It might not be the most objective site but it's not completely inaccurate in terms of how it rates professors and teachers (not to mention most people don't take the time to vote on a teacher unless they are polarized in a very positive or negative way, illustrating the effectiveness of the teaching methods being utilized).
Ariel what is rate my processor.com never heard of it besides here
From my experiences of university, in academia there sadly isn't a huge correlation between an academic's research quality and their teaching ability.
dean byers It's a website where students discuss the teaching methods and other stuff about a college professor for newcomers who may want to join the class. Just search up the teachers name from any of the courses you have, and other students just like you will give their critique on the professor. Sounds helpful, but everyone has their own views and opinions. I've used it before, but I can understand what people mean by it being not very legitimate.
I remember being a kid and having deep philosophical discussion on the idea of gender and biology as I ate my pb&j
Yeah, that happened to me once.
What is a gender?
@@personalprofile1939🥪
5:35 Wow I didnt know the final stage in our evolution was a condom.
If gender is just a social construct, why do women not simply decide to be men? This would make sexism impossible in mere seconds...
Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean people don't have good reasons for conforming to that norm anyway.
If marriage is just a social construct, why do people get married anyway?
If government is just a social construct, why do people follow the law?
Determining that something is a social construct doesn't automatically take away it's validity. Gender can be a social construct while also having use or meaning to society.
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
______Gender ROLES/Norms/expectations etc. ARE social constructs. But "gender" all by itself is not.
Because most people stick with the gender that they are born with
Xorn Xenophon
Plus the human race would die out
Sometimes it seems like we're debating more over the definition of the word gender than the relationship between the human psyche and biological manifestation. It doesn't help people keep making up new definitions for the word gender because they feel like it fits it better.
Agreed, though it also is greatly influenced by traditional thinking so it’s hard to change
I agree but we do need to nail down the definition of this word and it doesn't help that it was associated with another word that already means the biological dimorphism human species ie sex.
Bingo!!! How else can you confuse children at an early age and end up harvesting their body parts later in life.
@@markrussell3428 wtf
@@probablyasleep5026 Is that a question?
I now identify as ale
same. cheers.
Can I be Alesexual?
Can that include alcoholic beverages?
I would like to marry a beer
@@nickdarose1834 i can hook you ip with akindalewar
I already identify as Ale cause it's short form of my name lol
Belgian? Hefeweizen?
Does anyone else remember when a girl would act like a boy they were just called a tomboy
Yeah, when things were close to normal
Simpler times 😓😌
tom boy is different from ftm. ftm can be feminine too. That's why butch lesbians exist. If you want me to tell you the difference i can.
@@mostazezo they are still a woman.
@@arelr6822 no they are a man. a trans man is an always will be a man. hence the word man in trans man. You should do some research.
yes gender rolls are a social construct but gender is not
I agree that their logic is baffling. It's like recommending; "Humans should build societies, rabbits should dig tunnels." < Not all rabbits dig tunnels, therefore: Humans and rabbits are a social construct.
that's like saying definitions are social constructs but words are not
I'd say gender roles are a mostly biological construct, because of the "different hormones => different thought processes => different behavior" argument (behavior=actions/roles).
Why do males and females have different estrogen/testosterone levels? Because that's what was best for survival, during evolution.
This is supported by the fact that other species have clearly defined gender roles (an obvious example being penguins).
I'm not saying gender roles are 100% biological, just that they're more the result of biology than society.
Erik Victory Sure, but denying it invariably leads to forced gender equality (or gender communism), in which capable men are replaced with less capable women (or their salaries are reduced), simply to fit some stupid gender equality quota (just look at the law recently passed in Iceland).
Women can do whatever they want, everyone's an individual.
It's also noteworthy that women who developed with higher prenatal testosterone levels are more likely (statistically speaking) to be interested in things like engineering (how stuff works). Good for them, I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do.
I'm just sick of situations like James Damore's, where politically incorrect facts aren't allowed. It's frustratingly stupid.
Christobanistan No, they don't. Gender dysphoria is a neurological problem. Most likely, it's got the same underlying cause as physical intersex conditions - having the wrong hormone levels present during the time your prenatal development is taking place. If you have the wrong hormones present during the first trimester (which is when genital development is taking place) you get physical abnormalities of your genitals. If it happens during the second and/or third trimester, your brain ends up intersexed instead, since that's the main thing still undergoing development by that stage of the pregnancy.
the west: is gender a social construct?
the east: .....
Rami Zureikat let’s also not forget that the primary difference between the west and the east is that the west believes everything is real while the east believes everything is an illusion.
@@chrislofaro9614 yeah. while we argue about gender they are probably achiving enlightenment going to a superior plane o existance
the middle east: Sex equality? Wtf is this
@Sigmund Bosch
1. Japan and SK are generally regarded as western, as are New Zealand and Australia(which are one of the most easterly countries). Western and Eastern have nothing to do with geography, its to do with society and politics.
2. The west ranks least corrupt www.transparency.org/cpi2018
3. Human Rights are a universal concept that every human is born with and deserves, west or not. Sadly, majority of the Eastern countries have huge human rights abuses. www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new
Glomo
Australia and New Zealand are considered western countries, but sk and Japan are not.
When you get so drunk your body just becomes ale.
"The are are some differences that are biological, and some that are socially constructed". Love and peace :D
@ true.
@ no
A man can’t call themselves a woman and vice versa. If you don’t have the reproductive organs of that which you claim, your claim is false.
@@johnnysilverhand626 you do know the biological part of humans is our sex right?
@@alexisdoesstuff9091 So if i call man that identifies himself as a women a man, would i be incorrect?
I've recently seen this argument in this way. gender is a binary, gender expression is a spectrum. this way of thinking is based in the Idea that yes there are only two genders, but behaviors inherit to one gender or the other, can still vary from person to person.this can be expressed in an example used in your video. men typically have more upper body strength than women, however it doesn't mean that every man is going to be stronger than every women. conversely women tend to be more gentle and caring than men, but that won't stop a total role reversal in certain situations where a father may comfort a child after loosing a game, and the mother will tell the child, you need to step you game up. probably not the best example but you get what I mean right. Traits get named masculine or feminine based on which gender displays them more often, but you can be a masculine woman and an feminine man.
Kalek Nelson Yeah, I agree and thus society really needs to change its ideas about what men and women can or cannot do. Language like "Oh, a male nurse..." Or "Go make cookies in the kitchen with my wife" is really unhelpful.
Hell no. Male nurses are rare so it is odd to see one, in the same way that trees resembling faces are rare so its odd to see one. Trees with bark resembling faces can happen, so is it wrong to be surprised when you see one? No its not. It isn't sexist so feelings be damned. And almost nobody ever purposely says to a woman, "Go make cookies in the kitchen with my wife" unless you have pissed them off, because THAT is actual sexism.
TWC you are very original, aren't you?
Because reality is reality whether or not it makes someone happy. People should learn to be happy with reality. Being a realist isn't hate. Gender doesn't exist- sex does, peoples' personality and life choices are valid regardless of their sex.
@@nobodyknowsanything3906 Gender exists just as much as 'money' does.
Is gender a social consturct, in 1 second:
No.
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
I always saw "gender" as synonymous with "sex", to help in cases when you didn't want people to think that you were referring to intercourse (just as an example). And, until relatively recently, that is how the word was used.
Take 2 seconds maybe....?
Reuben Oakley i always saw it that way aswell
Actually, sex is the biological differences. Gender is the differences that the group enforces. For example, sex gives boys Y chromosomes. Gender is women wearing heels because society says that women wear heels. There's no "heels" gene. Heck, high heels used to be considered masculine because they were invented to allow horse-mounted archers to better aim without having to stop. Basically, they started out as the ancestors of today's cowboy boots before society decided that they're something women wear because butts.
Gender is not a social construct. Gender and sex are the same thing.
Explain?
Pov: u re watching ppl from 1st world countries being bored and creating problems outta nowhere to feel oppressed
Ma lord you're so spot on
I know right?! 1st world countries have it so good that people have to fabricate struggles and oppression because they are bored and have nothing better to do.
So, uh, fun fact that I feel is relevant: left-handedness used to be considered evil (due to some stupid church stuff) and was heavily demonised, but that cultural stigma disappeared over the last couple centuries. Incidentally, as the stigma disappeared, there seemed to be higher percentages of left handed people.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that transgenderism is a new phenomena (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history) when it’s been culturally oppressed for so long. People were saying that same thing about gay people back when that wasn’t socially acceptable.
Edit: my dumb ass posted the wrong link
@Luke Belanger how is it Trendy? People who feel that way are just more likely to show it, because its more accepted
Yep. Yep yep yep
Gender is not purely social nor biological.
uniikkiz good job
uniikkiz yeah theyres a mix
no that's sex. Sex and gender are defined differently in pretty much every field of science.
shhh this kid thinks he knows more because he's watched 129362782 "tHerES ONLY 2 gENDers femiNAZIS!!" videos
Not in terms of importance. Sure, blue being a boys colour and pink being a girls colour is social but a man's need to fuck, spread his seed, assert dominance and be competitive with other men is biological.
You had a good presentation but your conclusion lacks any purpose. It's irresponsible to say "can't we just get along" because that ignores that people disagree.
Genders are separated because it matters. Whether gender is based on biology or social aspects isn't as important as WHY genders are separated in many organizations, such as prisons or sports teams. In these cases, genders are separate because of biological differences. For example, if women and men completed in pro sports in the same league, there is a very likely chance that bio males would dominate every record and award and playing time. Look at worlds record set in sports. Which gender comes out on top? If you put a trans man into a men's prison, the consequences would far outweigh any social liberty that "we have finally accepted trans people".
Gender was always based on sex. A boy was an immature male human. A woman was an adult human female. I have an 80s dictionary that proves this well before the Internet altered words. Social aspects of gender were results of being a certain sex, not causes.
My conclusion was more or less a joke. I agree with most of what you've said.
NegativePositivePrimitive is it also scientifically/dictionarily correct to call homosexuals homophiles, just because outdated academia classifies them as such? Or do you just pick and choose what is correct based on your own confirmation bias? Asking for a friend.
Victoria Pichon if you have to ask me that, then you have missed the point entirely. If genders are fluid or are based on social stigma, why have separate bathrooms at all? Why have separate sports leagues or prisons? Why not group everyone together?
Saying that because we have division of gender so it must be biological ignores the arguments around social causes for binary gender performance. Split bathrooms exist because people think it's "wrong" or "morally reprehensible."
I may have misrepresented what you are trying to say and if so I apologize, please explain your point further
NegativePositivePrimitive honestly I really don't get why we have separate bathrooms. If they just put the urinals in a stall then what difference would it make. I've had to use the men's bathroom on occasion because the "ladies" was out of order and the nearest other bathroom was miles away. I don't see the issue with this. I wouldn't really care if I saw a man in the woman's bathroom either. Like why is it such a big deal? Everything private is done in a stall anyway.
"Men are socially conditioned to be stronger than women"
WHAT!?!? that doesn't even make any sense. How the frick do you socially condition someone to be physically stronger?
You give a boy more access to exercise or encourage it more, as a parent you play sports or physical activities with them
@@juicebox268 That's assuming that these actions don't occur with females.
@@juicebox268 do you think the top MMA women would be able to take on the top MMA man? They were both conditioned the same way. OR what about the trans female swimmer who beat every women against her by a whole 40 seconds because of biology. The transgender who won lost terribly to men before he transitioned. Women and men are different because of biology not because they were conditioned.
Jeez…
Gender is a fact. End of. I won’t argue it. Nor will I be bullied for my freedom of thought, freedom of speech
Would you say that "people" who have different ideas on this, (Argument?), you included and people above, which in my point of view makes it debatable of sorts? And thereby cant be a fact? Just a thought. But at the same time there are people who think the world is flat. Geez hehe... I mean gender exists but what its means other than defining it to the sex you are born in, which then makes the word useless? If it does not have another meaning. And point to define people for who they then identifying as?
...what does that mean. What is the fact that gender is. I'm feeling stupid as bricks cause for the life of me i cannot understand what you're trying to say.
@@lemon_boii1074 In simple terms If 100% of humans cant agree on what gender is. How can it be a fact?
@@Xtrelaman no i meant op.
They can't just say "gender is a fact"
Cause that makes no sense
@@lemon_boii1074 oh ok sorry :)
A good question to ask would be "How much and in what ways does biology and physiology inform cultural constructs?"
Hard question to answer without concrete, definable measurables. Infants exposed to more testosterone in utero tend to prefer or be drawn to "boyish" toys without the influence or encouragement of parents. For estrogen it's a mixed bag if I remember correctly but they do tend to gravitate more towards the "girlish" toys then infants exposed to testosterone do.
Exactly
@@sandygonsalves4646 interesting note there, "with encouragement" and enforcement. If that were taken away, what would be appealing to either sex.
ugh i love this. "cant we just get on with life?" thanks for making a video that wasen't really offensive (like some of the other videos about gender on yt) and also for making a video that had logic behind it. 👍🏻
Totally appreciate this comment.
You get offended by those?? Oh goddd
+Kim Jong Un Well, some of them can be very rude and don't even try to adress the issue. This video at least shows some respect and rationality behind it.
I'm not going to castersize you for using the term offended but mate it doesn't have any meaing in more just like racist sexist and homophobic its been used so much it has now impact
yes
Just stop saying "feminists" as if most of us think we are as equally strong as men, our goal is to have equal rights not equal biologies (and before someone tells me we have equal right, I'm not from the west.)
I think it’s both nature and nurture combined together that make a person.great video, very informative. :)
Biology cannot change, the personality is molded by society and experiences. Personality does not change the biological factors. There can be feminine men and masculine women, but it does not change what they are.
While gender expression may be socially constructed, gender itself is a biological adaptation.
No one has EVER been able to explain to me what it means "to feel like a (wo)man" ..... if you don't live through menstruations and the fear of getting pregnant, you don"t know what it means to "feel like" a woman ... anything else is stereotype and we've just been through generations battling against stereotypes and expectations!!!
What about women who for some reason don't have menstruation or/and can't get pregnant?
@@dgvanz1155 The point is surely that menstruation and pregnancy only happen to women even if they don't happen to every woman. They don't happen to any men. Beyond those differences related to our reproductive function, how does anyone know what it feels like to something other than what they are?
@@PeakTrans so trans women that obtain bottom surgery and are able to have women are women too👍thanks for boosting our arguments
@@firstnamelastname-gl6pl What did you mean to say in your gibberish comment? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't what you did say.
@@PeakTrans * able to have babies. I’ll concede that
What makes you a man or woman is sex. This is not a social construct, cannot be changed, and accounts for many differences between men and women as we receive different levels of hormones that both effect bodily development and our brains.
“Gender identity” is a relatively new concept to explain trans people, but the problem is, a lot of “cis” people do not feel a gender identity, but merely identify as a man or woman based on their biological sex. If trans people argue we must respect their identification, they need to also be able to respect the fact that not everyone feels a “gender identity”.
I don’t mind treating trans people as honorary men/women, but ultimately I don’t think anyone can make the claim they “feel like a man/woman” unless they are actually male or female, any more than you can claim, as one individual, to feel the same way another individual feels. We are not inside each other’s brains. Claiming to have a woman’s or man’s brain when you are the opposite sex is insulting. Would you claim to have a black persons brain if you aren’t black? What would that mean in terms of how you feel about black people? You would have to be assuming various stereotypes about the way black people think. I don’t see how it’s any different with gender.
There are several things that need to be addressed in the discussion on gender, that many people do not seem to want to address.
The social construct argument fails when someone seeks to make biological changes. The individual is seeking to alter something not connected to the situation they believe. If you want to wear a dress and makeup to feel girly, that is a social construct. Altering your genitals is not altering your social interactions, it is altering a biological build to suit your social preference. From this perspective, how is someone going through surgery for gender reassignment surgery any different then someone having a healthy leg chopped off so they can be comfortable with their legs?
While you have a right to believe about yourself what you chose, that does not mean that you have a right to force anyone else to address you as such. As soon as you do so, you are no longer advocating rights but advocating the loss of rights for another. It would be no different then forcing a religion on people or forbidding religion. This is the biggest problem with the discussion on "transgender rights". In most countries that this will reach, they already have the right to describe themselves how they chose, but they are trying to force others to adhere to their beliefs. When it involves government enforcement, it becomes a fascistic regression to days of old.
If people have a problem adjusting to society, there are people who can help with that, and not all of them are sociologists or psychologists, they are just good people who can be a good listening friend. There are numerous people who have trouble adjusting to society that have nothing to do with gender. Growing up as a nerd in the household of a jock is not easy, after at all. Self-mutilation or denial are not good coping methods. Acceptance of yourself as who you are is one of the first steps, no matter what hole society thinks you should be in. It is often this conflict between personal perception and societal groupings which can lead to the most damage to adjustment.
While I disagree with some of the steps many are demanding we take to help them, I can sympathize with their lack of social adjustment and hope they can find acceptance of themselves with alacrity. Disagreement over a solution is not a hatred or bigotry, just a difference of perspective to work with.
Oh my god. I love this comment. Im struggling with the opposition of the ideas Im asked to talk on at work and the my own principles. Your words are very comforting. Thanks
this comment is such an excellent deduction. I've thought for a while now that this ideology is very similar to a religion in the way that their beliefs are based on feelings as opposed to factual evidence. Also the part about gender benders trying to force participation in their ideology onto society was spot on👌.
I think this is really well said and this line of deduction is something I often think about. It's comforting to hear others also have the same ideas :)
I very much dislike this comment. You confuse what Trans people do to what they believe.
As stated in this video some Trans people do believe gender is biological. Them believing it or not will not affect whether they do surgery or not, because I argue they are doing surgery to fit into society better. People will call them their preferred gender depending on how they look.
Your comment is riddled with issues like the one above, but I've had this conversation to many times to go over it with a fine brush.
@@dylanthesea2976 I've taken what I've been told they believe and compare it with what they do. If you don't understand that beliefs guide one's actions, then, you've been lied to all your life.
Having surgery to "fit in", IS a problem. How is that any different than anorexia or someone chopping off a limb, especially when such actions have permanent ramifications?
It is highly amusing that everyone is arguing about this. When everything is a made up, subjective, human construct. (And I do mean everything).
everything except for sex, which is what you literally have between your legs.
tears of joy for all this pain of everything g is subjective that includes your argument, meaning it doesn’t hold up.
2+2=5 REEEEEEEEEEEAAAHA POSTMODERNIST NIGHTMARE
@@jellyacc what about feminine penises and masculine vaginas? How about intersex people?
@@theblandcharlie822 can an intersex person give birth and also impregnate? no, therefore one or the other
You lost your credibility as soon as you used Rate My Professors. That website is very obviously not intended to judge the merit of scholarly work of professors
No. It helps match my learning style to my professor. Its not my fault other people use it to find who has the easiest grading scale.
graham burbanck this comment wasnt claiming anything about your use for the website. Learning style does not denote scholarly merit
THIS. I thought the exact same thing. Thank you.
It's pretty valid.
lifebrarian True but it does judge thier ability to relay that information.
Let me explain being able to explain the science you have is important and if you are unable to do so it could suggest something possibly wrong with the science itself or the teachers actual understanding of it.
This can undermine the creditability of thier claims to an extent.
If gender is a social construct and just how society views a certain sex should be/behave, shouldn't we just...get rid of it?
Sex is the thing that mostly matters, after all. If gender is just forcing tradicional gender roles...shouldn't we just abolish them, instead of making it like you have to change your whole gender just cause you adhere to what is typically masculine/feminine?
I'm on Tumblr and i could NEVER express these thoughts there- and i genuinely want to be an understanding and supportive person.
And i wish I could blindly follow what is morally deemed correct but sadly i don't function that way and i can never fully support something i don't comprehend to at least some level.
You're on Tumbler, enough said
Gender isn't a social construct it's what might be called a super role.
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Animals may not have gender identity however In nature some animals that live together in a group in a shared territory tend to fulfill *Roles* .
These roles are caused by *necessity* and serve a purpose.
These roles are the primitive origin point of super/advanced roles that can be observed whithin Human societys one type of such a role is Gender.
Gender is like it's primitive point of origin isn't and outcome of social expectations.
Rather a group's behavioral adaptation for the diverse development process between the sexes due to Sexual dimorphism (effected by other more Human factors like culture, tradition or religion).
For the record english isn't my native language sorry if something isn't clear.
No one argues men aren't physically stronger than women lmao
Gender roles and ideas of being feminine and masculine are a social concept, not gender itself. One example is long hair is considered feminine but this is more of a social concept than natural. Also yes, men physically are stronger than women BUT society does push women to be more fragile and soft while it does the opposite for men therefore making the difference much more noticeable and women seem to forget they they can go to the gym and actually put effort into being stronger and they can have the same strength as men. People also say that women are supposed to be the caregivers and the men be the bread winners but if you really think about it, that is also a social concept. People argue this by saying that in the stone age women protected the children and the men killed animals to provide food for their families but if you had a woman and a man isolated from all other humans including each other they would be very similar in the ways they survive. Since they would not have encountered other humans they would not have children or a family therefore the woman would go out and kill animals and get food for herself same as the man would do. Also fashion being masculine or feminine is also a social concept. Way back in history blue was considered the color for women and pink the color for men, the reason it is the opposite today is because society has changed. There are natural differences between men and women yes but there are many more differences created by society and wait for another 40 years or so and it will change again! Women will be encouraged to be whatever they want and men will be encouraged to suppress their feelings. The power stance in society, at least in Ameria, will be flipped. Minorities and women will be the most influential groups and white cis males will be at the bottom. I do wish for true equality myself but I am a realist and will admit that it's pretty much impossible. It's human nature to have a leader or leaders and to have inferior people. Humans love to dominate by nature, sexism and racism and inequality will never truly stop existing unless we want to make the whole world a communistic where if you speak ill about anyone that is not of the same race, gender, and sexuality as you, you will be killed. People need to grow the fuck up and look at the facts and the trends of society and stop complaining over petty issues. Sorry about my ranting and if you read till here you deserve a cookie. 🍪
While I agree with most of your ranting - I rant on a similar party line as well - one thing that struck me as odd is that when you wrote "Since they would not have encountered other humans they would not have children or a family therefore the woman would go out and kill animals and get food for herself same as the man would do", while that is hypothetically correct based on the capacity of an individual, but I would also like to put forward the argument of a sexual selection mechanism that is at work on a collective and macroscopic level, that perhaps there are seemingly environmentally constructed and arbitrary gender traits become innate to human nature (both psychologically and psychologically) through sexual selection for between 2 to 6 million years, further reinforcing gender reality as well as stereotypes.
For me, a utopia would be an existentialistic Marxist society, that everyone is responsible for themselves while having the empathy to understand each other's plight, that life on Earth is nothing more than rolling that damn boulder up that damn hill every damn day, the thought of it is already very euphoric. #feelsgoodbro
Your problem is that you start from a false premise: "Gender is a term that was created as a way to differentiate ..."
This is completely false. I strongly suggest you at least look up the etymological history of the word. "Gender" and "sex" are, and always were, synonyms. That only began to change in the early 20th century, and even then, it was the meaning of the word "sex" that altered, not "gender". "Sex" as "sexual relations" only began to be used around the 1920s.
"Gender is a social construct" only began to be argued in the late 60s/early 70s, and is *still* not a universally, or even widely, accepted argument - no matter what Gender Studies majors may say.
John Money, the inventor of the term "gender" in humans disagree. And he has more to say on that subject than you do. There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
John Money did not "invent the term 'gender' in humans". "Gender" is a centuries-old word. Money invented the term "gender-role", which is a very different term altogether.
What you are, in effect, saying, is *exactly* what I said: "'Gender is a social construct' only began to be argued in the late 60s/early 70s".
"'Gender is a social construct' only began to be argued in the late 60s/early 70s.'" - Yep. and it ended in 1997 when the truth was made public the Dr. Money had lied all these years about the Reimer case being a success. He lied his ass off! Search Milton Diamond for more on that.
Lushington Brady its almost like languages stay exactly the same forever...no wait, it doesn't
Language also evolves naturally, not by fiat - enforced language change, purely to serve the interests of power groups, is the destruction of language, not its evolution. As Orwell showed, with his description of "Newspeak".
Marxists have always been obsessed with destroying language, in the pursuit of power. "Gender" theory is no different.
It's a purely artificial attempt to foist change, in order to bolster the power of the Cultural Marxists, via the destruction of language. This is demonstrated by the fact that, outside the tiny echo-chamber of the leftist academy, the notion has been fiercely resisted.
How I've always thought about it is that sex and gender arent the same thing. Sex is the biological aspects and is generally binary, though some abnormalities do exist. Gender is a more sociological and cultural thing, namely in gender roles and social norms. While most people are cisgendered, or have the same gender and birth sex, not everyone does. With the complexity of the human mind and brain, it gets a bit strange. However, with Tumblr and what not, modern societies more open views have led to some people claiming different genders to try to be unique and express their individuality, and this generates a back lash with some more conservative people. I am not really sure how genuine most of this is, but I'll let them do whatever makes them happy so long as they aren't a jerk.
And another interesting thing about the David Reimar story is a later study done in Spain where some transgender people had their brain scans compared to cisgender people. The researchers found that the transgender people's brain structure was closer to their chosen gender than to the average cisgender person with the same biological sex, even before any hormonal treatments. Of course, brain structure changes based on experience which means this may not have been from birth. Either way, it is quite interesting.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
Here is an article about the study for anyone too lazy to google it.
Mitchell Lutey I completely agree with you!!! This was well stated!
Except tryin not to correlate sex and gender in of itself is a contradiction.. Gender cannot be both independent of sex and defined with reference to sex. What society created gender roles? Where and when did it start?... These questions can't be answered.
"And another interesting thing about the David Reimar story is a later study done in Spain..." - That has nothing to do with the Reimer case. And as interesting as it might be, it's really not relevant because we don't use brains to determine male and female. We use the body. Biological sex. It has nothing to do with the brain.
@Leo Xx
_______________Yes, and the danger in that, if it's allowed to become normalized in any sense of the word, is that a precedent will have been set that erases the line separating "subjective" from "objective." It won't be immediately apparent, i'm guessing several decades at least, if not longer, it will be a slow degeneration of sanity and mental health. I can't think of another instance in history where such a precedent, however minor it may have seemed at the time, was put into place intentionally. Maybe someone reading this can think of one?
Subjective and objective must remain separate. Don't take my word for it, everyone, all the proof you need is right between your ears. Spend some time dedicated to thinking about this and only this even if it's just an hour a day for a month or so. The more time you spend on it the clearer it will become in your mind. You'll see it eventually. Don't try to steer it, just let it come. No expectations, only truth. Use your brain, that's what it's for. Don't let anyone tell you what to think or say or do. And always, ALWAYS question authority!
@Leo Xx the article was not saying that gender was in the brain. It was saying that your brain has expectations on what your sex is, and when it doesn’t match (this can be due to a genetical error, which DOES NOT mean it is bad, it’s like having myopy, some people have it, most don’t) then something called “gender dysphoria” happens, and that’s what most transgender people go through.
On a side note, I personnally believe that genders should be abolished once in for all, and that we should change language along with it. So that we don’t have problems such as wrong pronouns or wrong categorization.
I was actually born black, but society socially conditioned me to become white .
I'm Chilean... what?
Jacinta Soza from Chile too....what does he mean?!
He's probably talking about ancient indigenous population. Same with India and the hydras of precolonial times.
Same... what does channel another gender mean?
Algo asi como "canalizar otro genero".
Quizás se refiere a alguna expresión que se utiliza para hacer otras tareas "propias" de otro genero o simplemente se lo ha inventado o ha leído algo por ahí y lo ha interpretado un poco como las mierdas.
Una pequeña muestra de la ignorancia de este tipo xD
NO es un equipo apropiadamente dedicado a clarificar, examinar el contexto y comprobar los hechos de lo que dicen.
Don't say him, he, his, her, she, or hers when referring to me.
Just say Surf & Turf. That's my pronoun.
Respect it.
How are ya doing on this fine night, young Surf and Turf?
The answer is one sentence. Gender is not a social construct, but there are many social constructs based around gender that don't change the underlying physical reality.
the physical reality would be sex which is different from gender, gender is how one feels and expresses themselves and sex is XY or XX chromosomes or what genitals they have
@@_Rosa7524 That's just redefining words for the sake of redefining words. Gender is a synonym of sex, not a different meaning.
'Gender Identity' is what you refer to.
@@stephanreiken9912 the idea that sex and gender are the same thing is not supported by science, I don't think youtube allows links any more (tried to send a link to a website but reply was instantly deleted) but if you look for yourself on pretty much any medical website you'll see they will either only mention sex or clearly define the difference
@@_Rosa7524 Science? This is English class right now. We aren't talking about defined and tested parameters. This is about the meaning of words and definitions, and the insistence of one political ideology to use any excuse to create division.
Gender and Sex are synonyms. It's not hard, you can't just redefine what the word gender means by force. It meant the same thing 5, 10, and 20 years ago.
If we speak of Gender Identity, then by all means, I basically agree with most points you have to make about it, as it supports my basic philosophy for life. Live and let live, I don't care what you call yourself and respect your wishes as long as you give me the same courtesy.
But you can't change the word Gender to mean Gender Identity because you say so and accuse anyone who doesn't use the word the way you mean it. That's not how language works and it's bad faith.
Instead you could talk about actual issues. Like the problems of sexist teachers trying to force children to be trans because they don't conform to the stereotypes of their gender. It's wrong to even suggest that, and just furthers sexism in the guise of helping.
How this makes the issue of trans children very difficult to approach, because you do want to help those that are, but labeling girls that like boy things and boys that like girl things as trans, on that evidence alone, hurts everyone.
Or the suppression of such stories by the trans community. It happens, real life is complicated. And you can't be taken seriously by being blind to the facts you feel hurt your cause.
This is a major hurdle that has to be resolved so that trans rights can be respected as early in life as possible.
@@_Rosa7524 You get where I'm going? The biggest insult is to suggest that a male isn't a male because they like traditionally female things. It's the height of sexism that I thought we made progress on the early 2000s, but we've gone back to worse than the 1960s instead.
If a male wants to be called a boy or a girl, who cares. You can identify however you want, you can dismiss the social construct of gendered language and choose what to be called.
But male and female are genders. They have a basic meaning. You don't have to conform to the stereotypes given to your gender, but you cannot change it. Yet. Medical technology may resolve that eventually.
"Language has historically simplified itself" its a pretty wild claim. Language as a human phenomenon doesn't really have many universal terms that I would call "simplifying". Language is always evolving, and as society calls upon it to describe our more complex understandings and social notions, language will probably become more complex, if I were to guess.
People now care more about "feelings" than scientific facts.
People have always been like that.
@linus eisele Men have XY chromosones and women have XX.
@@Laimikko This video wasn't about sex anyways, gender doesn't have X and Y chromosome, sex has.
@@MrDhruv1111 Sex and gender are the same.
@@Laimikko Nope it's not.
When will it stop. It’s becoming a religion and no longer a movement.
I'm just sad this has become a question....
Western Culture is officially insane
We have to protect our cultures. I hope Russia nukes California.
I couldn't agree more...
yall are overdramatic over smth so remotely harmless to you
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 I hope you realize these same ppl are present all over the world and existed even before western influence
@@Elisboytoy Of course I do. Native Americans have "two-spirited people" who they believe aren't men or women. And in medieval east Asia (might've just been Japan and might've not even been the middle ages) there was a thing where Buddhists believed women were "impure" but could become men if they had traits they (the crazy sexist Buddhists) associated only with men, such as being studious and intelligent.
Both examples have to do with religion, strangely enough.
Women don't have less sexual partners btw. Women ADMIT to fewer sexual partners. There MUST be a statistical equality about this (think about it).
I know, the lack of critical thinking in this video is quite amazing but to play devil's advocate, assuming that the statement is true, that would mean there are lots of guys out there who've had an encounter with a male and not realised it.
psusac There absolutely doesn't have to be statistical equality. Think about it a little more.
Not getting it. It seems to me that every woman I had sex with also had sex with me. So, extrapolating this to all hetero men and all hetro women, the total number of couples MUST be equal.
Take a population of 100 Men and 100 Women. 90 Women have sworn to remain virgin until their wedding night, while the Men want to put their dick in everything that is moving. Admitting that the 10 remaining Women have sex with every Men of the given population and that everybody ends up married happily ever after, we have : 90 Women with 1 partner, 10 Women with 100 partners, 90 Men with 11 partners and 10 Men with 10 partners. There actually is statistical equality with an AVERAGE of 10,9 partners per person. But while every Men had 10-11 partners, 90% of the Women had only 1.
Still, the truth lies somewhere in between because, in real life, MOST women will find every excuses possible to omit partners ("One night stands don't count" and other BS).
yes because if we admit it , we will be considered as sluts. that's why
Short version, Male: Still Male. Female: Still Female. I can live with that.
Bruh no-
@@dean1111 uhhh ...bruh yeah. And before you flag this as hate speech, just know I don't give a rats ass who anyone decides to bump uglies with, shit if it makes you happy then live your life and enjoy. But don't expect me to change my language by demanding I refer to a person as ''they'' ''them'' or whatever they feel like being called that day based on their particular mood, that is both absurd and selfish not to mention confusing as hell. Look if a human is born a Male and at some point decides they want to transition to living life as a Female that's cool but rest assured upon this persons death, if they were to be exhumed 200 years later, no one, and I mean no one, will say, this looks like the remains of a (Insert what ever non sense gender you feel like making up here) They will say here are the remains of a human Male. Period Bruh
@@namepolanco5057 you don't need to worry
actually the short version is agree to disagree
@@namepolanco5057 bruh once again, your brain isn’t capable of knowing the difference between gender and sex and how to be a respectful human. It’s not hard to call someone they, we’re all doing that to feel more comfortable in ourselves. It’s just a question of respect
That ale joke at the end was hilarious
What I don't understand is why people seem to assume that their PERSONALITY is soley dependant on their GENDER. I know that in some cultures, and even the past life styles, they were funneled into certain archtypes, but even then we historically have people who didn't follow those 'norms.' I'd need to actually look into history again, but I'm quite certain we've had effiminate men who weren't called women or anything like that so it's not as if it's some foriegn concept. There are only 3 things I think: Male and Female for how your reproductive organs work, and those suuuper rare people who actually have both. I'd probably classify those who've had surgury to switch with that latter category, but if they haven't had still got their original parts then they are the male/female equivalent that they are. It's the whole point of genders anyway; who you can mate with.
I also don't care that this a year+ video.
And that’s precisely why genders are just a burden to today’s society and we should just get rid of it.
Also I don’t care that this is a year + comment, lmao.
Pretty late, but what's your stance on all this?
@@deithlan BASED GENDER AND SEX ABOLITIONIST
Is Gender a Social Construct? in 1 second
Nope.
3:07
This explains why I would look at ceiling fans for hours. The ceiling fan was my god, and my eyes could not be drawn from it.
Lmao ifkr
I would just focus on one wing
Gender comes from old French Gendre which in turn came from Latin Genus and both mean birth type, category or kind.
Gender has always denoted the biological characteristics of species. The idea that gender is a "social construct" isn't one bit scientific.
I'm SO glad how he ended the video: "can we all just get along" YES!!! we should all respect eachother and move on with our own lives, and let being identify themselves the way it makes them happier.
yeah but it makes them more dumb.
Dubi Kebede girl what..
no we cannot cause their forcing us to respect and believe shit
"Can we just get along?" is a haphazard statement. It sounds well and good, but it completely ignores all factors and interactions that occur between people in daily life. Life is unpredictable and so do events that happen in the place and society we live in.
Sure, we all can get along, but that doesn't automatically mean that social, cultural, religious, and political leanings don't divide us and it certainly doesn't mean a person respects the worldview of others.
Now add in people in a position of power who enforce their own ideology and values. Would people get along then? No.
It's easy to get along with people who agree with you, it's dificult to get along with people who don't.
C'mon, it's a biological thingy.
Randi Brooks If gender is almost entirely socially constructed why do transgender have to go through physical surgery to change their gender?
The Unknown
_________But what they identify as is supposed to be the result of society (the "social construct"). I mean, if we assume "gender" really is a "social construct" then we wouldn't have any say in the matter as individuals. The "social construct" would have decided our gender from the moment we were introduced to the world.
The mere fact that ppl can say "I don't identify myself as..." is all the proof needed to show the "social construct" idea is dead. Dead as fucking door-nail.
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
But the gene presets us to have culture at first and it impose an limitation to the content of culture. So being a boy and being dominant is both biological and cultural constructed but since the very beginning it is the bio thing to be coming first.
@Andrew Davidson
They don't exist. Its called sexual/gender dysphoria and its related to other diseases such as anorexia. There is no such thing as a "transgender". There's also the fact that those who believe in the delusion of transgender tend to have higher and higher rates of suicide the more they try to transition. While therapy instead kills the rate of suicide in these individuals. Meaning that if you don't get therapy you have a high chance of killing yourself and if you do get therapy you have a very low chance of killing yourself.
Dysphoria is a very wide spectrum of mental illnesses where you feel like something is wrong with your body and that you have to fix it. The therapy a person undergoes to treat this disease is to help them accept the body that they have and suppress the irrational urge to change themselves.
You see, what happens in dysphoric people who do try to change themselves is that the change is a temporary bandaid and when the bandaid no longer works they either try to change themselves more, or they realize the (permanent) damage they have caused to themselves and then they become suicidal.
Basically all you've done is show how little respect and tolerance you have for people who suffer from mental illnesses. Not to mention you don't care whether the people suffering from these diseases kill themselves. Which is horribly disgusting.
I'm discrediting the information in this video on the grounds that I give it a 2 out if 5.
If gender is a social construct, and you can change genders, then age is just a number and you can change your age
@@rodentdetergent look at you go not understanding a simple joke. And this year’s biggest idot award goes to you! Congratulations!
@@rodentdetergent and we didn’t create gender either lol
ah yes, humor
@@zumbbfied indeed
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: No
i was originally fearful about where you were going to go with this topic but you remained relatively unbaised and presented facts from both sides, good job
This video seems to attempt to be impartial while still being very partial to the "Nature" view. For example, when citing an argument about socially constructed gender, you bring up a "Rate my Professors" rating, which is an ad hominem. Why was that necessary, if not simply to (fallaciously) discredit the argument? You also say "there is no reason to create different terms for genders", and that "language historically simplifies itself" in your conclusion. Yet this ignores the fact that in the analysis of any subject, more terms are created to describe distinctions or be more specific with definitions to allow more precise assertions or critiques. Many words in common parlance emerged from intellectual discussions, such as "cultures" (plural) and "empathy".The argument for more gender terms is that it describes the experience of different individuals (and many languages actually already have additional terms to male/female, man/woman, boy/girl, as you pointed out) that are not usually encapsulated in the existing terms and has historically marginalized such experiences as weird, deviant, or perversions, and have even been made illegal, resulting in suicides, hate-crimes, arrests, public disgrace, loss of employment etc. More important things to some people, I think, than finding a good restaurant.
F O If we had a real talk with one another don't fucking confuse people with your big words. That is why language simplifies itself. It does that so we don't confuse on another.
I was addressing my comment to the creator of the video, and I'm pretty sure he understands all the words I used. Why is it that my answer upset you?
my astronomy professor has a 5 star rating but its because his class is literally so fuxking easy theres no way to fail, so ratemyproffessor isnt really credible.
F O i hope he sees this comment cz it is really on point
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
I followed you up until your conclusion. The consequences that would result from "agreeing to disagree" or just trying to get along would be significant.
Especially the precedent set by standing aside and letting people legislate things based on no more than feelings. If people disagree on something, you've identified a point of contention that needs attention. Now don't stop until it's right!
Pretty late, it's been 2 years lol. What's you stance in all this?
@@justinthebaby7156 What does the timeframe have to do with the discussion?
And what bearing does my position on the gender debate have on my point? You seem to be dropping a non-sequitor, but I'm not even sure what you're asking.
@@ianmartin2924 Lots of things can happen in 2 years, and I'm simply late to the conversation in this corner of the internet.
I'm asking whether you see gender as a social construct or not. As for your bearing on the matter, I was simply curious.
@@justinthebaby7156 Oh, I see.
I'm unconvinced by the arguments that have been presented to me thus far. Yet, I'm completely open to being convinced through something compelling and reasonable.
I can't currently see how gender is separate from biological sex - some people argue they're both social constructs - and I think the traditional usage of gender is helpful as a categorization. I can't distinguish the additional genders I've heard of from a description of personality.
I'm very confused about the arguments I've heard and I can't tell if they're incoherent or if I'm lacking information. I'm also frustrated that the topic is always shouted down through authoritarian means when people like me just want to know what the hell others are talking about.
As I said originally, this is a contentious point that gets people fired up. That means we need to talk about it much, much more, not less. Contentious points are where growth happens. Ignorance and blind acceptance is where we regress. If a group/groups are attempting to change the scientific landscape of information, that information must withstand the scrutiny from all sides. That's simply how scientific findings manifest into Theory.
Gentlemen and Ladies, give this person an award. This video gave a lot of good biological and cultural information in a fun, interesting, way.
This whole denial of extremely hard biological science has to stop. Biological differences from brain & skeletal structure to chemical make up clearly exist
i love how he didn't try to drill his opinion into us... loved the video
I am biologically male but I identify as myself, I don't care about social norms, labels/identity and conformity
This video argues for whether gender *roles* are socially constructed are not. But we know that gender is something we identify with, not our characteristics and how we act...so people that say gender is not a social construct are simply saying gender depends on what is between your legs (not how you feel).
Transtrending SJW: we want to stop being labeled!
Also transtrending SJW: Creating more labels.
Holy shit I'm surprised at how well this was presented without any obvious biases one way or another, kudos to you my dude
Uh no? OP is clearly against the social construct theory they even pettily pointed out that the professors got low ratings on an arbitrary website based on your personal experience lol like that mattered to the argument
@@bleedingbellybutton9403it was a valid point someone might bring up.
The confusing part is that both ideas are promoted by the academic left. "Gender is just a social construct, AND gender is an immutable characteristic" even though these seem mutually exclusive.
No, gender is not a social construct. Gender *roles* and gender *norms* are social constructs, and people look at your biological sex (aka gender) in order to determine which roles/norms they're going to expect of you.
Did you get sponsored by Chili's 😏? And awesome video by the way! I really enjoy them, very logical and fun to keep up with:) Thanks
Solution: everyone leave each other alone and just respect what they think is true without forcing your ideas and opinions on other people.
2 genders.
I oppose the idea of gender neutrality and it doesn't mean im forcing my opinion. I worry about this lost world in a hot maze, and feel responsible. You can't just get away with things saying "oh you are trying to force your opinion".
I like 'let people play their own game, as long as they don't force others to play their game.' Works just fine for me in this, or religion, or just about anything.
Agreed
No. The whole concept of gender as a construct was a construction by a professor who actually said so later
Being a good teacher and a good scientist are two different things. Rate my professor rates their ability to teach. Number of citations in google scholar (sorta) rates their academic quality
what i took from this was gender identity is a full proof social construct. sex is 100 percent biology and gender is a mix however leans more towards biology. thanks.
of course, the characteristics among men all across the world isn't so sparse and dynamic, same goes for women all across the world. There is *generally* a set of characteristics that Males and Females share amongst each other in particular. Not just in terms of biology but in context to behavior and functionality, also with respect to their interests.
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
TWC there are two genders. People confuse genders with sexualities
Gender is not social construct but a Gender ROLE is !!
I swear people who think that race and gender are social constructs give me a migraine
Your very first point is just plain wrong. The word gender originated as a synonym for sex during the Victorian period. It is still mostly used that way. It wasn't used to refer to the social aspects of sex until Judith Butler came along in the 90's.
wow I never knew that. that completely changes my mind on all of this. thankyou
Both nature and nurture
Korra Light true
I feel like this video just straight seems to ignore that fact that Female is not pulled from Male. Also, why do we need other genders? The two are fine. Male on one end, Female on the other, and everyone falls inbetween. Gender is already a spectrum, the same way there is short and tall, conservative and libralism and so on. We dont have fifty billion terms to desribe someone's height to an exact term, its just you are either short or tall, not demi-tall-non-conforming-short. Its literally "you fall on the height scale, boom. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? To answer the actual question though, the answer is "Its both" its both a biological and a social construct. Our environment shapes us, but we still have a foundation that is preconstructed.
"We dont have fifty billion terms to desribe someone's height to an exact term" - Yes we do. It's called measurement. In the imperial system i'm exactly 5 feet, 11&3/4 inches tall. It doesn't say "short/tall/average" etc. on your drivers license, does it?
I think you missed the point. Conversative/Liberal, Republican/Democrat, short/tall. But yeah, I get where you coming from, nitpicking in hopes it'll disprove something to continue on with the narrative that we some how have more than two genders. I got you.
+Retguard
Someone criticising your argument doesn't necessarily mean they disagree with your conclusion. It might just mean they think you made a shitty argument.
You are basically contradicting yourself by saying gender is a spectrum from male on one side and female on the other end. And people in between. How is that 2?
@@bornwithoutconsentobviously The sides are two? Between which there is a spectrum? Do you want there to be a multi dimensional spectrum?
people love saying 'lets keep it simple' when they have never felt a dissociation from their assigned gender. can't we all just accept one's lived experiences and let people identify the way they want? how does it really affect you...
To put it simply: if you normalize a mental illness, more people will not think of it as a mental illness.
Lol - naturists like to be naked, I'm not sure they hold any particular views on gender. I think you mean essentialists, or biological determinists.
Gender roles are social construct
There are 0 genders. Only biological sexes. Gender does not exist.
Gender itself is not. Society didn't make my vagina for me
Plus they may be socially constructed but that has been over the course of millions of years where men, because they were biologically stronger, would go and hunt and women, who had wombs, would care for their children. I think people forget that we are mammals and that gender roles are biologically and somewhat socially encouraged is because it is what has made it possible for you and I to be alive right now, future generations rely on gender roles.
Tappatron i think that is the other way around, men are stronger because of the roles they have played throughout their evolution. Anyway, just because things are someway that doesn't mean they have to stay that way, if you are so sure that males of females are naturally inclined towards some activities or to fill certain roles just let them be without pressuring them, with your way of thinking ultimately you should be right; if a woman just wanna be a hunter, or a wrestler, or a scientist, or wathever you think a woman can't do just let her be. Society should not impose certain roles in the kids, just let them be or do whatever they're best at doing.
Félix Bugueño of course things arent always gonna be the same, thats what evolution is, but evolution takes millions of years to show, only in the last couple of years people have been claiming that gender is socially constructed and that gender has become more than binary, but if this was scientifically true than there would be mass reports of this starting to happen years ago and building up, not suddenly capturing everyone. Yes, intersex and trasgender people have a existed for a long long time but this whole non com, agender theory doesn't sound like anything but a politic based label.
Yes, women can hunt (hello lions) and yes whatever else, but it is undeniable that men and women, no matter their variation in masculinity or femininity, gravitate to different interests and professions.
Yongnan Piao gender roles are made in reference to natural sexual differences. So its not technically speaking a "social construct"
as a trans person: NO.
ken l thank you for this comment
If it differs from culture to culture, it’s a social construct
If it’s the same, it’s biological
you summed up pretty well
i think theres also an aspect that to some extent "biology" can be affected by social pressure. For instance there are studies that conclude that men do better on spacial reasoning tests. BUT counter studies have gone on to have woman "imagine they were men" and take the same spacial reasoning tests. the results concluded that woman who thought of themselves as men were able to score about the same as men. Just like outside stress can change the way your body digests food for instance, so to can society's expectations form neurological pathways that people would interpret as biology. Im not saying there are no biological differences between men and woman, but I'm pretty sure its a lot less than people think, and most of the rest of the actual biological differences can so easily be changed by hormones
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Yeah I agree.
I'm from chile and this is the first time I've heard about "channeling a gender for some tasks", but despite that, I heard it and it made a lot of sense, It does happen regularly, but no one really pays attention to it
I do have to say that from what I know, Chile is pretty sexist because some adult women constantly push young women into family instead of a career, and are generally the empowered ones of their families. While men in general focus on their jobs.
At least from my inmediate envioronment, it's hard not treating women differently from men since women are so empowered while men are so easygoing. (I'm a man) Women tend to be very sensible and (even between them) they generate a lot of conflict and drama staright out of thin air.
That's all folks! Good video
My brain hurt... big words....
Modern gender theory (e.g., transgenderism) remains incoherent. And trying to categorize gender as a social construct is really just confusing gender itself with gender roles and norms.
Nonsense videos like this are the result of believing there are two valid sides to every issue.
“Less is more” or “keep it simple” are the best mantras to follow in this situation. We need a set of principles that MOST can agree upon in order to get back to our “not so normal” state of being… that was so much better than what we have now.
We live in a free society and you can choose to deviate from social norms. Doesn’t change your gender/sex. Just live your life the way you want and stop over complicating things.
To be honest, people can make up how many genders they want, but they always revert back to male or female, for example, hear a load of this bull. There is believed to be a gender which is called "agender" but means that you don't have a gender, but then, there is "agender masculine" and "agender feminine", which is self-explanatory. So what's the difference between male and agender masculine? Only the words you are referred by.... I see that as a sign for attention....
Hey, Chilean here, we do not belive we have to channel certain genders for certain tasks, I litteraly don't know where you got that from.
What does "felt like a woman" even truly mean? They liked the fashion? The objects? I dont walk around feeling like a male, its just something that I am. Being a feminie male doesnt make you a woman. ijs.
HOLY FUCK that circumcision story was terrible: If i were a girl, i would be crying right now
You think that was terrible? It's so much worse. John Money was a psychopath posing as a psychologist. David Reimer was but one of his victims. Read about it.
____There's plenty of documentaries on YT about him. Just search David Reimer.
Hunter Powers his twin brother actually ended up killing himself too, John Money did some fucked up stuff to those 2 boys.
_______ That's the truth. There is something good that came out of it, though, relatively speaking at least. Money's failure is proof positive that gender is grounded in biology. While society might influence us in how men and women are _supposed_ to act in any given culture, that's as far as it goes. Our internal sense of being male or female is chain-linked to our biological sex. It IS innate. Money proved it. The "social construct" theory died with that experiment. The only problem is that no one knew that it had failed except Money himself, because of legal requirements to keep the identities of the family secret during the experiment. Money was the only one who knew how it was really going.
He lied to the world and said 'David' was acting like any normal girl that age. That he was interested in dolls and loved to wear dresses and do girly things with his mom; that the was nothing at all out of the ordinary. The experiment was a success.
Year after year he reported this lie to his colleagues and to his employer. As well as in interviews for well-known scientific magazines. The "social construct" was factually true because of the Reimer case being a smashing success. His reputation was good enough that almost no one doubted his claims. This went on for nearly 30 years!
Then in 1997 we got hold of Reimer himself and interviewed him as a follow up requested by the hospital, because Money had long since stopped seeing him once a year. Reimer wouldn't go anymore. He had no idea his case was being used as the justification for sex normalization surgeries on infants born with ambiguous genitalia. Nor did he know that Money had lied about it being a success.
Everything that is based on 'gender' being a 'social construct' we now know, as of 1997, is bullshit!
shmeet - please don't turn a tragic event into your agenda. That's a very immoral thing to do. I think the real lesson here is not cutting boys dicks off. Also don't forget unisex people are a thing. The comparison of male children being forced to boy a girl and that one girl then killings it self to someone who feels like they are not right after all the years of the life's is not the same.
What you are describing biologically about men and women is not gender. You are referring to sex. Sex determines a human's biological traits in distinction between men and woman. When you say, "The male gender is generally physically stronger than the female gender", you are wrong. What you mean is "The male sex is is generally physically stronger than the female sex".
Gender is the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). When one uses the term gender, they are referring to the social and cultural aspects of being male or female. So, GENDER by definition is a social construct. It is the behaviours and traits that our culture associates with manhood and woman hood.
Sex is either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. So sex separates humans and all other animals into the categories of men and woman based on our function in conceiving offspring. And certain biological traits come with that. That is why there are only two sexes but more than two genders. Because one fits only into one of the two categories in reference to reproduction but because gender only exists in our societies collective imaginations, gender does not easily fit the same dichotomy.
Is intersex a sex or a gender? Or is it simply a biological anomaly?
Good question! Intersex is a biological term, yes. So it would fall under sex. It is when a person's reproductive organs do not seem to fit the male or female sex. It is the name for a number of conditions. Such as having biologically female external organs, but internally having male reproductive organs. It is one of the few exceptions in nature to the two sexes. There are, however, many more than two genders. And honestly, if anyone ever gets mad at you for not knowing stuff like that or any terminology or the difference between sex and gender, than they are idiots. We should be celebrating that fact that people want to learn about this stuff! I don't know all of the LGBTQ terms at all. But what is important is being open to learning and not being afraid to ask. So, I'm really glad you asked! I always had trouble wrapping my head around the meaning of intersex so hopefully this helps!
Taya Van "Gender is the state of being male or female" - the problem is, healthy people don't feel they are males or females, they don't think about it at all. They just are. The unity between our body and mind is natural and beyond our consciousness. It's biological. Your body and mind aren't two separate organisms.
Gender is not a social construct, GENDER ROLES are.
Gender is a linguistic tool that encompasses male and female archetypes to describe people through pronouns and objects through personification. This works well for the human brain, which utilizes associations for rapid recall. Some aspects of those archetypes may stem from social constructs (eg color preference) while others are a direct result of biological tendencies. No one person is expected to fit all aspects of the archetype, nor does fitting aspects of the other archetype diminish their masculinity/femininity. But most of the time people will fit primarily into one, and that one will most commonly be the same as their biological sex. Only about 0.1% of the population tends to diverge from these tendencies.
In actual science, real science, biological science, gender is the same definition of sex as it's an expression of sex. And while social science, like sociology and gender studies, might like to claim they have an argument against that; they don't. They just don't like the truth so have created an alternative take. Does it deserve equal weight? Well, I guess that part's subjective and up to the individual. But that's literally the only part about the "debate" that is subjective.
that does seem to be the case, the hard-science fields do not give a crap about made-up ideologically motivated distinctions between sex and gender.