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!!!!!!! when I was about 10 I made a suggestion to an ol cowboy at an auction. I was immediately scolded by my folks for speaking up....... the ol cowboy stopped and said "hey thats a good idea" afterwards he said something that has always stuck......"you can ALWAYS learn from someone no matter who THEY are, OR you can stay dumb all by yourself no matter who YOU are" ~ RIP Buzz "ol dad" you are missed every day!!!!!
I’m 80 yrs old. I was shown that technique the first time I started my own horse in my early 20’s. It worked well. I admire you for trying new things. ❤
I’m 80 years old and started riding horses when I was 13 and we kids learn to do it that way all the time if we wanted our horse to neck rain. Mr. Rose where have you been? We love you though.
It's awesome to see a pro, see something new and be excited to learn new stuff. Never pretend to know it all. Great job Ryan. gives me more confidence in learning more myself. 👌🏼
That is how I was taught, as a kid, over 60 years ago from all the old cowboys. We ran a lot of cows in a section of land. Still do it today. Works like a charm. I'm so glad you came across this. The beauty of having an open mind and being willing to learn new/different options to get an end result.
I love that you are willing to humbly admit that you've been able to "get away" with only a surface level of understanding. Most people will not admit that they were lacking in any way.
Honestly because this works so well I think that you do need to be 'that guy at the show'. If great trainers like you show a new way at higher levels it creates an opportunity for change. Especially if it's easier for our horses to understand its definitely worth doing! As always I love everything you do! 👏
It works as a training tool, I wouldn't have it be a permanent solution. Here's what I think: a horse should be steerable through both direct and/or neck steering. So I'd cross them up until he's responding better to the neck and then uncross and continue to practice
I was taught to "look where you're going " That movement turns your shoulders, which moves the rein against the neck and your hips and seat adjust slightly.to turn . Of course this is on a well broke horse
Our family had a horse that we used crossed reins all the time. If someone put the reins on uncrossed the horse still worked well, but he backed better with them crossed. This was in the 1960's. It was also much gentler on the horses mouth.
I commend you for trying "new" things! I'm in the camp of having learned this 40+ years ago. Thanks for putting it out there and teaching it to the next generation!
That's so great you're open to trying techniques that are new to you. It's so important to stay open minded, as long as it's reasonable. It helps to expand your training tool box. This is actually a very old cowboy technique and it works pretty well. Also, it's not a bad thing that you use your legs. It's not cheating. I would rather buy a horse that knows about leg cues. You are such an awesome trainer!
My grandmother taught me to cross the Rings when I was breaking my very first horse about 45 years ago it worked then when I was teaching my married I'm sure it works now
😆 I always tell my daughter... never start a sentence with, I saw on Tiktok..... I guess there's always an exception to every rule. That being said, I have learned so much from videos such as this, so ..... yeah, there's that 😂. Thanks for sharing, Ryan. That was awesome.
For decades I’ve had a great deal of respect for Mr Al Dunning and I’ve also utilized his wisdom and experience countless times throughout my career. I’ve also known of the “cross-rein” technique of teaching a horse to neck rein since I was a young fella. I’m certainly not opposed to it. However, I hesitate to teach MOST folk short cuts. I firmly believe they need to learn the processes of basic and fundamental horsemanship. With that said, without hesitation id willingly share this technique with those that provably already have such a grasp on horsemanship. Once people learn shortcut they tend to rely on and depend on the shortcut and fail to spend the time it takes to create true understanding. To quote one of my favorite mentors; “Take the time it takes”. To quote my grandmother; “Yard by Yard Life is Hard~Inch by Inch Its a Cinch”. With all that said, the cross-rein technique is a GREAT refinement tool to have in one’s tool box.
YES, I CAN ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU THAT THIS WORKS! I WAS DOING THIS WITH MY HORSES 50 YEARS AGO!💜 💜🐎💜👍🏻💜🐎💜 Here's the THING At least with the way I trained my horses & the immediate responses I wanted from my horses with no real visually perceptible movement from me. As I taught neck reining to my horses I gave them leg ques with my knees, heels & toes. This I reinforced with deliberate THOUGHT to the point that by the time my horses were 'finished' all that was required was a thought!By the time I had the thought my horses were literally executing the behavior I thought! Turns out your horse doesn't really even need reins & my hands are no longer occupied & my horses responded to such a high level that I will swear that my horses were so tuned in that by the time I even beacame consciously aware of the thought my horses had completed that thought & were on to the next thought! If 'CENTAURS' were real I think that is how it would feel, to be a Centaur, to be so completely in tune with your horses that the two of you move flawlessly as one! The time & reaction advantage that this gives you in every situation be it cutting, roping, spinning, stopping, everything, literally, you & your horses move as one being! Nothing else feels like being joined through thought, knowing before either of you knew the thought! I can't explain it more than this! Horses are such deeply intuitive beings that it's nothing to just let your horses follow the natural abilities they were born with & before you are able to recognize that you've become a single being together, you are there! And the mutual TRUST that comes from this connection, there is just no way to describe it!
I really love how you keep an open mind, maintain your even demeanor and take your time to achieve results. I would like to see you training some of these owners, I think they can be much more difficult than the horses.
That is pretty wild....and makes total sense, for the horse. Love when awesome horse trainers teach each other their tricks, which ends up being better for the horse. I am a bay lover, but sure am liking those roans, and your wife's roan is one lovely horse!
Love your delight in how easy and quickly this horse got which way to turn their head. With something as pivotal as momentary neuro muscular signals it makes MOST SENSE Not To Give A Double Input Pressure Signal to the Neck and Nose / Mouth - - I would think especially in a crucial moment like going fast and your eyes on a moving calf / steer that you would want to take ZERO change the horse is going to respond to ONE pressure Over the Other - Seriously this SEEMS BASIC and SO CRUCIAL. Not A Trick - - Just Understanding the Sensory and Biological Principals of Pressure Trigger and Muscle / Brain Coordination. There are impulses that are single loop and those that are double loop - - like the difference between chosen action and reflex -- two different nervous system reactions. Best Option Seems To Be Logically to Give the MOST DIRECT Signal - -and Give Any Horse with Any Attitude and Any Level Of Distraction the Most UNMISTAKEABLE Input. Well Done for Opening Up to Something New At Your Master Level Trainer Status.
I did that 65 years ago. I knew nothing about training, but someone said to try it. If I had not been a teenager, I might have followed through. and could tell you that it worked great. I just did it once in a while. Glad to see you doing it.
Yeah, when I was a kid (I'm 65), I was told about this method and used it with success with a solid curb bit...now 'am seeing it online with various horse trainers as if a brand new idea. What was old is new again! Thanks for sharing.
I'm no horse trainer and I'm not much of a cowboy. I started doing that with a horse when I was 7 years old. It does work. My parents decided that my pony should neck rein instead of what we called plow reining and I guess you call direct reining. I'm now almost 60 and I've used it on several horses. If it'll work for a 7 year old kid that ain't much of a rider, it'll work for anybody.
An oldie but a goodie. When I was a kid more than half a century ago we were doing that. Taught to us by a quarter horse trainer who had Leo Reed. I had no idea I was petting history when petting Leo Reed.
Oooooh, that was actually quite a lightbulb for me! As an english rider, i don't tend to use neck reining but i do find it useful when trail riding as for comfort, its useful riding one handed. I've struggled a bit to get them to move to the 'right side' and never even considered the bit was actually tipping them the 'wrong' way. Like you, i tend to add in a bit of leg to encourage the move. This was very cool to see you try a new thing and see it play out well!
I read about this in a book I got from the library (1977😂 I was 14) and I used it to train my 4 yr old Appy Mare to neck rein from straight rein! ☺️☺️✅✅✅
I always did quite a bit different on the this with my legs. I have seen 90% of people want to move the horse off of their outside leg. I won’t say who gave me this tip many years ago, but it was a very good Horseman and it worked out extremely well for me. I leave them alone on the outside. I reach for them with my inside leg. If you’re observant, you will always notice they start to pass their attention as you are reaching for them. this is what we actually want is for their brain to go to, Let’s say the left. once their attention has passed that way, I would lay the range over on them, but I would also start to open up with my left leg and invite them to go that way. As I said, it was very effective for me. Not being critical just trying to toss out some tools that have worked for me. Of course you obviously have some pretty good tools working for yourself as well.
This works on every horse. When the outside rain crosses the horses neck, it tells him to plant his inside back foot to turn. Then with the slight tug on the inside rein to the mouth as your inside (right) elbow is pulled back horse makes a turn to the right. Just good Horseman ship
We used this crossed reign technique bac in high school to get our horse started neck reigning. Also lifting the reigns far up the neck helps as well untill they get the idea. The high neck crossed reigns takes maybe an hour or so and then the reigns can be lowered gradually to the more normal position. The crossed reigns can be uncrossed after a day or so depending on the horse. The advantage to neck reigning is that the horse can be guided with just one hand, turned right and left as well as backed up and turned while backing all with just one hand. The other hand being free for other uses.
A dressage coach i had, had all the students apply this, (in the 1970’s), she called it, under cross reining, saying it was an effective way to practice indirect and direct pressure. Our coach was big into bridle-les riding/jumping and blindfolding the advanced students, she’d use most any technique, if it was safe and produced positive results, the under cross reining, really helped many young horses and us young students.
Very cool! What a dramatic result. Great demonstration. Glad you're open-minded enough to try new things. The best teachers are those who keep learning.
I've used this technique before, even with a hackamore. It works. I've also leaned forward and put pressure on the higher 1/3 of the horse's neck, closer to the ears, which seemed to help so far as I can remember. I only used the latter technique a time or two on an older horse that was totally used to mouth reining.
Well, that’s a cool technique. You’re right, the outside rein does pull on the outside of the bit which during training. It is probably very confusing to most horses. Love this.
I was shown this about 20 years ago and tbh I had kind of forgotten about it. I'm currently starting to get my OTTB to neck rein and will be starting the technique right away. Thanks for the reminder. However, physics being physics, I would only be using the technique in a controlled environment as it would be quite difficult to do your relaxed rein or getting the hindquarters to cross over on a skittish horse.
I thought neck reining was meant to be done at a loose rein so much so that the opposite side doesnt get any tension (which ultimately is what confuses the horse). I thought it was more of a "lay the rein" on the neck. But this technique definitely looks like it could help with teaching it! Thanks.
That depends on what you're doing. Western pleasure likes the longer rein. Cow horses, you want a loose but shorter rein, less likely to get in the way or flop around at speed. Barrel racers have really really short reins, shorter than most English riders, again so the reins aren't flopping around. So basically, the faster you're going, the shorter the reins
Wow, all of the people commenting saying they have seen/ used this before it's blowing my mind! I have never seen this before, yet it does make sense. It is the same principle as laying the rein on the horses neck, applying very light pressure to the outside rein, and then correcting with the inside rein. In fact, on a safe horse, it's probably a much more fun way to do it since you can go to one hand! And then back up with leg as necessary. I might use this someday.
Every ol'tiner I've ever talked to about teaching a horse to neck rain has always told me thats HOW you teach a horse to neck-rein🤔🤔 Maybe Lambeau did so well because he is not 'zactly new to neck reining? Nice job! BOTH of you😊😊😉
My grandfather taught me this technique way back in the 70s when I was a kid. I think it's an old way that went out of fashion. We did it with young horses training in the ring and out on trails. I actually used it this summer on a whim and it worked great. Old becomes new again, maybe?
Thank you for sharing this wisdom. We used this 51 years ago with a skittish mare. It was amazing, like she acknowledged a piece of a puzzle that had been missing. It totally amazing how her body bent from nose to tail. She relaxed , and giving to pressure was no longer a trigger to flip out (throw her head,
Crossing them like that is how my cousins started teaching neck reining - the bit pressure and the neck pressure are sending the same signal. Then you can start using less bit and more neck and leg.
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!!!!!!! when I was about 10 I made a suggestion to an ol cowboy at an auction. I was immediately scolded by my folks for speaking up....... the ol cowboy stopped and said "hey thats a good idea" afterwards he said something that has always stuck......"you can ALWAYS learn from someone no matter who THEY are, OR you can stay dumb all by yourself no matter who YOU are" ~ RIP Buzz "ol dad" you are missed every day!!!!!
Ryan trying to relate to the rest of us: “I saw this on the internet…”😂
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I tried this at someone’s suggestion. With a snaffle it didn’t work it confused her more I think
I did this with my first horse in 1975, a friend gave me this advice and it does work! My horse was green and so was I!!!
I’m 80 yrs old. I was shown that technique the first time I started my own horse in my early 20’s. It worked well. I admire you for trying new things. ❤
I was going to make the same comment! I'm only 65 but was shown this by my uncle when I was in my teens!!!😄
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I read it in a book about 40 years ago. It does work.
30 years ago for me
I have a similar experience! Old techniques get forgotten, and its so cool when these things come back.
I’m 80 years old and started riding horses when I was 13 and we kids learn to do it that way all the time if we wanted our horse to neck rain. Mr. Rose where have you been? We love you though.
I was taught this 45 yrs ago. It works great
How do you make the conversion to no longer crisscrossed?
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It's awesome to see a pro, see something new and be excited to learn new stuff.
Never pretend to know it all.
Great job Ryan.
gives me more confidence in learning more myself. 👌🏼
That is how I was taught, as a kid, over 60 years ago from all the old cowboys. We ran a lot of cows in a section of land.
Still do it today. Works like a charm.
I'm so glad you came across this.
The beauty of having an open mind and being willing to learn new/different options to get an end result.
I love that you are willing to humbly admit that you've been able to "get away" with only a surface level of understanding. Most people will not admit that they were lacking in any way.
Honestly because this works so well I think that you do need to be 'that guy at the show'. If great trainers like you show a new way at higher levels it creates an opportunity for change. Especially if it's easier for our horses to understand its definitely worth doing! As always I love everything you do! 👏
It works as a training tool, I wouldn't have it be a permanent solution. Here's what I think: a horse should be steerable through both direct and/or neck steering. So I'd cross them up until he's responding better to the neck and then uncross and continue to practice
its meant as a training tool only, you'd never show like this
I was taught to "look where you're going " That movement turns your shoulders, which moves the rein against the neck and your hips and seat adjust slightly.to turn . Of course this is on a well broke horse
Our family had a horse that we used crossed reins all the time. If someone put the reins on uncrossed the horse still worked well, but he backed better with them crossed. This was in the 1960's. It was also much gentler on the horses mouth.
Yes!
Heck ,Ryan. . . my buddies & I did this back when we were kids training our ponies (1960's). I thought we just thought it up on our own !
Yes!
“Huh, well, that is pretty slick” 😊
I commend you for trying "new" things! I'm in the camp of having learned this 40+ years ago. Thanks for putting it out there and teaching it to the next generation!
That's so great you're open to trying techniques that are new to you. It's so important to stay open minded, as long as it's reasonable. It helps to expand your training tool box. This is actually a very old cowboy technique and it works pretty well. Also, it's not a bad thing that you use your legs. It's not cheating. I would rather buy a horse that knows about leg cues. You are such an awesome trainer!
Yep! I did this to train neck reining for years!
My grandmother taught me to cross the Rings when I was breaking my very first horse about 45 years ago it worked then when I was teaching my married I'm sure it works now
Very coooool! Enjoyed the video! God Bless. - ACD
😆 I always tell my daughter... never start a sentence with, I saw on Tiktok..... I guess there's always an exception to every rule. That being said, I have learned so much from videos such as this, so ..... yeah, there's that 😂. Thanks for sharing, Ryan. That was awesome.
Yup I learned that technique when I was in my teens in the 70s. 👍
I enjoy hearing about your own learning and training process as well. Thank you for another great video, Ryan.
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I am totally trying this tonight!! My horse is neck rein trained but I think I can get him more responsive using this.
This is cool. I could try this with my western trained horse he doesn’t neck rein well. He’s barrel trained.
I got tickled watching how tickled you were with how well this worked. Fun video.
For decades I’ve had a great deal of respect for Mr Al Dunning and I’ve also utilized his wisdom and experience countless times throughout my career. I’ve also known of the “cross-rein” technique of teaching a horse to neck rein since I was a young fella. I’m certainly not opposed to it. However, I hesitate to teach MOST folk short cuts. I firmly believe they need to learn the processes of basic and fundamental horsemanship. With that said, without hesitation id willingly share this technique with those that provably already have such a grasp on horsemanship. Once people learn shortcut they tend to rely on and depend on the shortcut and fail to spend the time it takes to create true understanding. To quote one of my favorite mentors; “Take the time it takes”. To quote my grandmother; “Yard by Yard Life is Hard~Inch by Inch Its a Cinch”.
With all that said, the cross-rein technique is a GREAT refinement tool to have in one’s tool box.
We used to do this with driving horses!
Your real time compare and contrast was such a great idea.
Old things become new! I was first introduced to this back in the 1960's. Great to see you post your experiment and that you like how it works!
YES, I CAN ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU THAT THIS WORKS!
I WAS DOING THIS WITH MY HORSES 50 YEARS AGO!💜
💜🐎💜👍🏻💜🐎💜
Here's the THING
At least with the way I trained my horses & the immediate responses I wanted from my horses with no real visually perceptible movement from me.
As I taught neck reining to my horses I gave them leg ques with my knees, heels & toes. This I reinforced with deliberate THOUGHT to the point that by the time my horses were 'finished' all that was required was a thought!By the time I had the thought my horses were literally executing the behavior I thought!
Turns out your horse doesn't really even need reins & my hands are no longer occupied & my horses responded to such a high level that I will swear that my horses were so tuned in that by the time I even beacame consciously aware of the thought my horses had completed that thought & were on to the next thought!
If 'CENTAURS' were real I think that is how it would feel, to be a Centaur, to be so completely in tune with your horses that the two of you move flawlessly as one!
The time & reaction advantage that this gives you in every situation be it cutting, roping, spinning, stopping, everything, literally, you & your horses move as one being!
Nothing else feels like being joined through thought, knowing before either of you knew the thought! I can't explain it more than this!
Horses are such deeply intuitive beings that it's nothing to just let your horses follow the natural abilities they were born with & before you are able to recognize that you've become a single being together, you are there! And the mutual TRUST that comes from this connection, there is just no way to describe it!
I admire you as a trainer trying and learning new things. I think as horse people we are constantly learning.
I really love how you keep an open mind, maintain your even demeanor and take your time to achieve results. I would like to see you training some of these owners, I think they can be much more difficult than the horses.
That is the standard method to train neck reining in my area. I personally have used it for 60+ years.
It works... Can't beat Al Dunning advice
That's what I was going to say! Obviously it works or Al wouldn't show it
I just love your excited responses!
That is pretty wild....and makes total sense, for the horse. Love when awesome horse trainers teach each other their tricks, which ends up being better for the horse. I am a bay lover, but sure am liking those roans, and your wife's roan is one lovely horse!
I used that technique years ago. it is effective
Love your delight in how easy and quickly this horse got which way to turn their head. With something as pivotal as momentary neuro muscular signals it makes MOST SENSE Not To Give A Double Input Pressure Signal to the Neck and Nose / Mouth - - I would think especially in a crucial moment like going fast and your eyes on a moving calf / steer that you would want to take ZERO change the horse is going to respond to ONE pressure Over the Other - Seriously this SEEMS BASIC and SO CRUCIAL. Not A Trick - - Just Understanding the Sensory and Biological Principals of Pressure Trigger and Muscle / Brain Coordination. There are impulses that are single loop and those that are double loop - - like the difference between chosen action and reflex -- two different nervous system reactions. Best Option Seems To Be Logically to Give the MOST DIRECT Signal - -and Give Any Horse with Any Attitude and Any Level Of Distraction the Most UNMISTAKEABLE Input. Well Done for Opening Up to Something New At Your Master Level Trainer Status.
I did that 65 years ago. I knew nothing about training, but someone said to try it. If I had not been a teenager, I might have followed through. and could tell you that it worked great. I just did it once in a while. Glad to see you doing it.
I've done this! Works great! Until you forget your reins are crossed and try to direct rein. 'Go right, no, left, wait, AHHHHHGH!'
Yep, learned this back in the 70's and have always used it. Works great and once they get it, neck reining without the cross is a no brainer.
Interesting technique, also Lambo has such a pretty face. Thanks for the demo!
Yeah, when I was a kid (I'm 65), I was told about this method and used it with success with a solid curb bit...now 'am seeing it online with various horse trainers as if a brand new idea. What was old is new again! Thanks for sharing.
I'm 62 and my dad taught me this technique when I was 12. Good thing you heard about it from an old timer!
I'm no horse trainer and I'm not much of a cowboy. I started doing that with a horse when I was 7 years old. It does work. My parents decided that my pony should neck rein instead of what we called plow reining and I guess you call direct reining. I'm now almost 60 and I've used it on several horses. If it'll work for a 7 year old kid that ain't much of a rider, it'll work for anybody.
love your enthousiasm
An oldie but a goodie. When I was a kid more than half a century ago we were doing that. Taught to us by a quarter horse trainer who had Leo Reed. I had no idea I was petting history when petting Leo Reed.
50 years ago I used this technique to train 3 yr olds. Forgot all about it until now, thank you
Also, never taught leg positions till they had this perfect…
My grandfather taught me this over 30 years ago😊
Oooooh, that was actually quite a lightbulb for me! As an english rider, i don't tend to use neck reining but i do find it useful when trail riding as for comfort, its useful riding one handed. I've struggled a bit to get them to move to the 'right side' and never even considered the bit was actually tipping them the 'wrong' way. Like you, i tend to add in a bit of leg to encourage the move. This was very cool to see you try a new thing and see it play out well!
I read about this in a book I got from the library (1977😂 I was 14) and I used it to train my 4 yr old Appy Mare to neck rein from straight rein! ☺️☺️✅✅✅
I always did quite a bit different on the this with my legs. I have seen 90% of people want to move the horse off of their outside leg. I won’t say who gave me this tip many years ago, but it was a very good Horseman and it worked out extremely well for me. I leave them alone on the outside. I reach for them with my inside leg. If you’re observant, you will always notice they start to pass their attention as you are reaching for them. this is what we actually want is for their brain to go to, Let’s say the left. once their attention has passed that way, I would lay the range over on them, but I would also start to open up with my left leg and invite them to go that way. As I said, it was very effective for me. Not being critical just trying to toss out some tools that have worked for me. Of course you obviously have some pretty good tools working for yourself as well.
Tried it today it seemed to work in the yard. I’ll try it on the trail tomorrow. Thanks for great videos
Thank you I will try that tomorrow
I feel a tad accomplished... I've done this years ago, I to love when a trainer will try something new. Now to surf your channel for more techniques~
This works on every horse. When the outside rain crosses the horses neck, it tells him to plant his inside back foot to turn. Then with the slight tug on the inside rein to the mouth as your inside (right) elbow is pulled back horse makes a turn to the right. Just good Horseman ship
That's an ole timer's training method. Joggled the memory banks on that one, lol.
I like how he’s going into detail about it. I like these kind of videos. Looked like the internet hack worked lol
Yes it works well
We used this crossed reign technique bac in high school to get our horse started neck reigning. Also lifting the reigns far up the neck helps as well untill they get the idea.
The high neck crossed reigns takes maybe an hour or so and then the reigns can be lowered gradually to the more normal position.
The crossed reigns can be uncrossed after a day or so depending on the horse.
The advantage to neck reigning is that the horse can be guided with just one hand, turned right and left as well as backed up and turned while backing all with just one hand. The other hand being free for other uses.
Soooooo Amazing! Always teachable!
One of the first things I learned to do with my ponies many years ago. Fun to see how great this worked in this video.
I learned this from an old local rancher who used to judge when I showed my 4-H horses. Like 50 years ago..shhhh.
A dressage coach i had, had all the students apply this, (in the 1970’s), she called it, under cross reining, saying it was an effective way to practice indirect and direct pressure. Our coach was big into bridle-les riding/jumping and blindfolding the advanced students, she’d use most any technique, if it was safe and produced positive results, the under cross reining, really helped many young horses and us young students.
Very cool! What a dramatic result. Great demonstration. Glad you're open-minded enough to try new things. The best teachers are those who keep learning.
Goes to show you can always learn new things
It's called the jockey's cross,works good with a snaffel bit.
I like this type of video :) It's fun to see you trying other trainer's techniques for us. Like a "Hack or Cap" video
Crossing reins under the neck is a very old method. It works well. Particularly with leg pressure.
When you exclaimed “oooo!” When he did the rollback at the fence and it worked! LOL!
I've used this technique before, even with a hackamore. It works. I've also leaned forward and put pressure on the higher 1/3 of the horse's neck, closer to the ears, which seemed to help so far as I can remember. I only used the latter technique a time or two on an older horse that was totally used to mouth reining.
Learned this as a kid in Vermont. You just use it so they can get the neck feel / enhance that cue. Good to watch you trying it out.
I was shown the cross rhenreins under years ago and it was awesome.
Well, that’s a cool technique. You’re right, the outside rein does pull on the outside of the bit which during training. It is probably very confusing to most horses. Love this.
Wow thank you for sharing i would of never thought! But it kind of makes sense! Lol
Going to give this a try
My horse barely has done neck rein... I'm gonna try this!
I was shown this about 20 years ago and tbh I had kind of forgotten about it. I'm currently starting to get my OTTB to neck rein and will be starting the technique right away. Thanks for the reminder. However, physics being physics, I would only be using the technique in a controlled environment as it would be quite difficult to do your relaxed rein or getting the hindquarters to cross over on a skittish horse.
That was popular back in th 50s ,60s. It does work!
Enjoyed your video have a great day.
Thank you for trying new things and for showing us! I look forward to trying this as well.
Well heck. I am 75 & my dad taught me this as a teenager. So everything old is new again.
I thought neck reining was meant to be done at a loose rein so much so that the opposite side doesnt get any tension (which ultimately is what confuses the horse). I thought it was more of a "lay the rein" on the neck. But this technique definitely looks like it could help with teaching it! Thanks.
That depends on what you're doing. Western pleasure likes the longer rein. Cow horses, you want a loose but shorter rein, less likely to get in the way or flop around at speed. Barrel racers have really really short reins, shorter than most English riders, again so the reins aren't flopping around.
So basically, the faster you're going, the shorter the reins
Wow, all of the people commenting saying they have seen/ used this before it's blowing my mind! I have never seen this before, yet it does make sense. It is the same principle as laying the rein on the horses neck, applying very light pressure to the outside rein, and then correcting with the inside rein. In fact, on a safe horse, it's probably a much more fun way to do it since you can go to one hand! And then back up with leg as necessary. I might use this someday.
Every ol'tiner I've ever talked to about teaching a horse to neck rain has always told me thats HOW you teach a horse to neck-rein🤔🤔
Maybe Lambeau did so well because he is not 'zactly new to neck reining?
Nice job! BOTH of you😊😊😉
Wow! Great video!!!
We did this as kids. I think it was something that the “old guys” told us to do. I remember it a a step towards using mostly body/legs.
We did that when I was kid, 50 years ago. I think I read it in Horse &Rider. It was a looong time ago. It worked ok.
Yes!
X reins is how my grandpa and dad use to train neck reining back in the 1940s, its an old horseman technique
I’ve been doing that for 50 years. My Dad taught me. 😊
I saw this one back in the 70’s
Yes!
New tools are a good thing!👍🏼
My grandfather taught me this technique way back in the 70s when I was a kid. I think it's an old way that went out of fashion. We did it with young horses training in the ring and out on trails. I actually used it this summer on a whim and it worked great. Old becomes new again, maybe?
I used this on my mare years ago and it does work.
Thank you for sharing this wisdom. We used this 51 years ago with a skittish mare. It was amazing, like she acknowledged a piece of a puzzle that had been missing. It totally amazing how her body bent from nose to tail. She relaxed , and giving to pressure was no longer a trigger to flip out (throw her head,
I heard of that many years ago when I road western. I was told it was a way to train horses to neck rein.
Been training horses for 30 plus years. Learned this from John Lyons.
That was amazing!
Crossing them like that is how my cousins started teaching neck reining - the bit pressure and the neck pressure are sending the same signal.
Then you can start using less bit and more neck and leg.
"Lambeau" Good Wisconsin horse!