Quick comment responding to the suggestions to file a lawsuit: 1) There's no Fourth Amendment/Illegal Search and Seizure argument here because the casino isn't a state actor like law enforcement, they are a private entity, so unreasonable search and seizure, at least under the Fourth Amendment, does not apply here. 2) Similarly, this is private property, so the Second Amendment does not apply, either. 3) Finally, there's arguably a colorable invasion of privacy claim, but convincing a jury of the damages to award could be difficult. In Nevada, "To recover for the tort of intrusion, a plaintiff must prove the following elements: 1) an intentional intrusion (physical or otherwise); 2) on the solitude or seclusion of another; 3) that would be highly offensive to a reasonable person." PETA v. Bobby Berosini, Ltd., 111 Nev. 615, 630; 895 P.2d 1269, 1279 (1995). Assuming that this set of facts would rise to that level, I would have no special/compensatory damages as I suffered no monetary loss, and the issue of general damages for something like this is a crapshoot. Discuss.
Also, someone on Twitter pointed me to their weapons policy, although it's silent about searching bags: "What is the weapons policy? Except for on-duty law enforcement and special events with advance approval, Firearms are not allowed on property, including in vehicles. Knives with a blade length greater than 4 inches are also prohibited. Should a guest arrive on property with a weapon, it must be checked with Security on arrival. It will be safely secured and returned to the guest upon departure or as necessary." Screenshot here: i.imgur.com/FIFiyOv.png
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Private and Public businesses/ Entities have a legal classification as "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" PER Federal Law, Title III Reg 28 CFR 36.104. You cannon be denied service. Federal Law 28 CFR 36.202 & 203. Furthermore, you cannot be charged with trespass in public because you have the lawful right to be there and do commerce. Trespass only applies if you are in a private place unlawfully. Such as a if they were closed and you are there now unlawfully. As for the search and gun taking, that is illegal. They cannot force you. Them taking the gun is theft! The most they can do is ask you to leave which is also illegal according to the CFR above. The no gun signs in Nevada are unenforceable! Depends on the state you live in if the signs are enforceable are not. Sue them for your property! You do not give away your rights when you enter anyone's property especially when they are a business open to the public.
@@thetyepilot2501 I wasn't denied service and I wasn't asked to leave, plus they returned the gun at the end of the stay. Arguably, I "consented" to their keeping the gun in the "vault", albeit under duress, because my options were "check it in or check yourself out."
What I have to wonder is if there is a precedence (and I honestly don't know the answer to this), if there is some equal application of Rights that Venetian or other businesses adhere too. That is, you can utilize Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Religion, etc...but when it comes to the 2A, it's not a Right that's protected/respected. I understand it's a private business, but I'm just saying it's an interesting conversation point.
@@nobodyschannel "The State Action Doctrine": Constitutional claims under the Bill of Rights apply only to state actors, not private companies like the Venetian.
If the hotel does not have an FFL it is illegal for them to transfer your pistol to themselves! This applies to the entire hotel and all the staff including security! Only police can legally confiscate a handgun without you present. The hotel and it’s staff committed a felony
Unfortunately, the majority of casinos and resorts in Las Vegas operate as autonomous entities under the protection of the Nevada Gaming Commission. The Nevada Gaming Commission is just an amalgamation of Organized Crime. Instead of being run by "families", they operate under the auspice of a "corporation". Some things in Las Vegas never change... Stay classy my friends.
@@smerfcy You refute my comment and yet you add nothing to the conversation. If you know better then please feel free to educate us. Otherwise you're just a troll.
@@smerfcy A different John Smith asks...pray tell how those isn't a felony? It's reasonable for someone to be secure in their possessions at a hotel, it's theft, or something similar, for a hotel to claim property like this under duress, and they've taken possession of a firearm outside the context of a private transaction (I'm assuming that's legal in Nevada for the moment). That's multiple felonies right?
Most casinos n Vegas have metal detectors for bags now since the route 91 incident. So they probably passed them through and it rang so they decided to commence a search.
chances are high that when you check into the hotel there is a clause in the check-in sheet that says they can search your belongings as well as guns not allowed in the room.
@@kavansurf but if guns aren't allowed in the hotel, why can people carry them in on their person? why don't visitors have to walk through metal detectors?
I'd argue the confiscation of your firearm without your consent and without an FFL would constitute an illicit federal transfer at best and theft of a firearm at worst.
Exactly. When you purchase a firearm from an ffl you take legal responsibility for that firearm. Anything that's done with it is on you. Ffl dealers have specific safes, inspected by atf and have to follow strict rules when storing, documenting and recording exactly where that firearm is at all times when in their custody. How many people touched that firearm, had access to it, moved it, had custody of it? A bunch of young people, bell boys, "security" and others, and where was it stored? Who's liable if an employee walks out with it and shoots someone or sells it and it's used in a crime? Is your defense 'the hotel told me' ok they aren't a legal entity. Under this logic you could own a taco shop and store firearms in the basement because you're 'holding them for customers'. It's absolute horseshit and if atf did their job they should be making arrests.
@@willharrison3740 No he didn't. For example, when someone hands their car over to an auto mechanic for repairs, they can get into serious trouble if they go through someone's belongings inside the vehicle. Especially if they take something out of the vehicle. My teacher once ran an autoshop and had to fire someone for throwing out someone else's private property(a paper bag, and yes I'm being serious here) that was inside of their car. Especially since the customer noticed and came back all angry. The consent was providing repair service to a vehicle, the only thing that can be touched was the parts that were being serviced. When handing off belongings to someone you're only consenting to the specific service provided and nothing else(AKA you can't rummage through someone else's belongings). With that being said, this gives me the queue to get a lead lined suitcase and a small tsa unfriendly padlock.
yep. if they were presented with a real threat they'd all be dead. people who are going to attack your hotel are not going to hand their guns over. they keep focusing on nonsense like this and real terrorists learn their pattern in 5 minutes
You had me at ‘we searched your bags’. A whole department full of Barney Fife’s that probably let real crimes occur while they were running a legal gun owner through a maze of red tape while being treated like a criminal. I’ll never spend another dime there.
What concerns me is that it appears it was actually the bellhops who searched the bags to begin with, not actually security personnel. I'm sure most of them are totally honest in their wages-and-tips jobs, but not all of them. What if there was cash, or controlled drugs in those bags? I wonder how often items just go missing from bags being searched by non-bonded security personnel? They are worried about someone with a locked, secured firearm, so they implement completely insecure and haphazard policies to "secure" that firearm? Another question is how did they open a locked TSA case, to even know there was a firearm in it? To be clear, yes the hotel had the tight to do it. Their terms and conditions say they can, even if no one ever actually reads them. But to do so in such a slipshod, insecure way mocks the point of doing it. Almost as if they want to punish guests who make the mistake he did. Hard to fathom.
@@charlessherman5844 The problem is that most hotels don't do this, because it's a huge waste of time and money. Not to mention 99% of people staying there would be pissed if they found out people are just going through their stuff. I would be absolutely furious if I found out someone rooted through my stuff without asking or making it clear they planned to. Yeah a lot of hotels have that in there as a catch all in case they absolutely have to but isn't daily practice to go through customer's belongings. Quite frankly this hotel should be ashamed of themselves going through their customers belongings, no matter the reasoning behind it; as they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". If they continue to do this and customers are made aware it's happening without their knowledge, they will lose an immense amount of customers. I certainly won't stay at any of the places owned by these people again after seeing this.
XRay and metal detectors are not generally considered a search. I go to a venue locally that has metal detectors.. That is all they did.. XRAY it and call him to the desk. It was never "searched" to the legal definition of the term.
3 biggest takeaways - No.1 Understand people will look in your bags and snoop in your room so be prepared for that. Anybody who is near you is another set of eyes to be aware of, good bad or ugly - don't trust anyone you don't already trust. No.2 Do NOT let anyone handle your gear that isnt absolutely necessary to do so. Checking your gear for a flight is necessary but outside of that absolute necessity - do NOT let anyone you don't know handle your gear or even your general belongings. No bellhops, no cabbies, none of that. The more hands on your belongings, the higher chance that something will go stupid. No.3 The Grey Man doctrine is the best doctrine. No one except you should know you're armed unless legally necessity requires you to say so. Your life will always be easier if you're as unnoticed by others as possible. No one knows you carry, no one sees your carry, and no one hears you talking about how you are carrying - the less idiocy you'll run into.
If I’ve learned anything from Fallout New Vegas, your first mistake is that you didn’t pick up the perk that allows you to conceal any weapon in the casinos. Until you pick that up, stick to a silenced .22 pistol or a ripper.
This should be brought to the attention of the SHOT show organizers so they can notify attendees of this hotel policy. It may be "their house, their rules" but the public should be advised of the rules so they can make an informed decision as to whether to do business with them or not.
The inconvenience is by design. This is how people infringe our rights without legally crossing the line. This is how the slope works. It becomes too much of a hassle and we just give up due to the harassment.
They've actually committed a felony by searching his bags and confiscating his weapons without his permission nor knowledge at the time. Only the police can take your weapons away. The security is supposed to either just let you go and stop being so damn extra about this crap or detain you and call the authorities to handle things moving forward if they're that perturbed.
That entire process was intentionally that inconvenient for a reason, they don’t want you to bring guns to their hotel… that’s crazy! I’ll keep that in mind, THANK YOU for sharing.
How is that crazy? Have you heard about the Las Vegas massacre in 2017 where a man killed 60 people? It's only natural that security would be especially vigilant now and tighten up measures. They wouldn't want such a tragedy to occur again.
Like many commenters mentioned here, just the fact that they went thru your stuff is enough for me to never stay at the Venetian. Gun or No Gun, that's an automatic Deal Breaker. Thank you for sharing this story.
They've got x-rays, metal detectors and as for seizure, hotels in places like this have lots of extra legal considerations, plus they can probably argue you handed the gun to them when you hand over the bag.
As a Vegas local, carrying on the strip is hard mode lol. Next time take the bags to the bathroom when you first arrive at the casino and carry from there. NEVER give your bags to a bell hop.
Yea, I'm too paranoid about losing a firearm to theft - unless it can be on my person at all times, then it stays home locked up. I was surprised that he let the Bellboy take his bagged firearm to his room. I've never taken a flight and had a firearm checked in - I just don't trust airline employees with such items.
@@thekerm8470 That’s what moderately priced and easily replaceable items are made for. So you don’t put something expensive or rare at risk. Either way it’s never a good idea to give anyone your property regardless of contents unless it was unavoidable.
This is precisely why I never hand over my belongings to a bell hop, no matter where I'm staying and no matter how nice my hotel is. It's staying within my view the entire time.
Absolutely! Literally stunned that he handed over a weapon to a bell hop. Stunning. Maybe it’s just me but I would simply NEVER allow my weapon to move like this. Imagine if the bell hop had stopped somewhere and left the cart unattended. Then some thief stole the bag. Thief uses the weapon to kill someone. Yes it’s crazy that they searched the bags. Would they search your bag if you were walking with the bell hop? Crazy all the way around. But the first stop on the crazy train was him losing control of his weapon. BEYOND CRAZY. Be responsible. Hint: THIS was not being responsible at all.
Yeah, that’s pretty fckin asinine to hand over your means to life and death to a fckin stranger in a monkey suit working for peanuts. This dude makes me look at him in a different light. Which is the bigger dumb arse, the hotel of idiots or the idiot who trusted idiots with his weapons??
This is the epitome of security theater. It's the absolute minimum they think they can do to prevent having guns in their hotel. But as you pointed out it does absolutely nothing except inconvenience a minority of the people carrying guns in their hotel.
Perhaps it is but after what happened in Vegas not that long ago and all he criticism that hotel received not to mention the lawsuits it would be stupid of them to not. Whether their rules and procedures are effective or not can be debated but you just can't blame them for being careful.
@@CCW1911 Well as shown they have plenty of room in the hotels to dedicate a section in the underground to be a storage armory and suit up area (kind of like changing rooms in clothing stores to equip your firearms before you go out). Reinforce that section (near check in), add a vault door, 24 hour surveillance, and guards to protect guests property 24/7, give them the option of a security password along with 2 forms of ID (at least one picture ID ) or an identification chip (kind of like a debit/credit card) check ticket to keep on their person, and be able to "check" it out at any time night or day. That way the guests property is protected and the hotel is doing at least some due diligence. Hey if they wanted to take it a step further they could add a gun store and an underground shooting range sound proofed so the guests and staff didn't hear it...I mean I would stay in a hotel like that in a damn heartbeat.
@@rhinox0110 Good ideal, but they are never putting a gun armory or store in the basement. Mostly because the cash vault would be in constant danger, and ain't no casino going to take that chance.
@@wolfinpandafluffy3479 LOL rob a casino in LV?...with ONLY 2 big roads in and out that are EASY to block in a few minutes and all that leaves is flying out with driving to the airport with a 7 star GTA wanted level and the airforce base just waiting 'like giggling kids' to shoot you down IF you do get to a plane!
A. The fact they went through your bags is flat unacceptable, that’s a deal breaker for me. B. I’d love to know if anyone there is an FFL. C. Screw them I’ll never go back..
The thought of having any hotel at any location, much less Vegas, randomly search my things is incredibly disgusting. There should be a reasonable right to privacy, end of story.
Venetian has been running bags through a scanner since after 9/11. I worked Security at Venetian from 2000-2007. The owner who has passed bought one of those airport scanners and has it down in the basement where all bags given to bellstaff get scanned. He was worth 30 billion dollars so he was able to afford one. The check in policy was never this stupid. Venetian/Palazzo are now owned by a corporation.
@@wolfinpandafluffy3479 Maybe in Las Vegas. It's illegal in TX to restrict firearms access in TX staying in a hotel. They cannot tell you in TX that you can't have it in your hotel room.
The most disturbing part to me is them secretly searching your bags. But I also agree with you on everything else. Good information to know, thanks. I guess I won't ever be staying at the Venitian, so long as there are other options, which there are.
James agreed to searches of his bags the moment he signed a contract with them and submitted his luggage to them. They xray every piece of luggage and state this on their website and most definitely on the contract you sign when you book/check into a room.
Note to Self: Don't ever stay at the Venetian again, unless you like strangers going through your possessions and confiscating or stealing what they want without your consent. Pity, I liked the hotel and the shows there when I visited a few years ago.
i take everything with me when i have to leave for awhile. the housekeepers get so upset that there is nothing to rummage through that they don't clean my room.
THIS is why I NEVER let ANYONE handle my bags at ANY hotel! I was at the Sig Academy a few weeks ago for several days. Walked in and out of the hotel several times carrying what is obviously an SBR soft case slung with a case full of handguns in the other hand. No one said boo. So yeah, The Venetian can suck it. Thanks for the Gestapo heads up.
@@Tannim98032 had to look it up. Best Western Plus Executive Court Inn & Conference Center in Manchester. It's not far from the Academy and it has a restaurant next door and pretty much anything you'd need in the area. Staff was very nice, rooms were spotless, it was quiet and reasonably priced. What more could you want?👍
@@Executnrthat ain’t the boondocks, that hotel is at most like 3,000 feet from MHT airport on the edge of Manchester a City that easily has a population of 100,000 and a greater Metro population of easily 400k-500k.
Thank you for documenting my SHOT 2022 experience! I got the upgraded treatment, interview in a separate room interrogating me on why I was trying to smuggle a firearm in. My silence prevailed & they released me after checking my weapon.
I would edit that to the effect that keeping your firearm on your person would prevent any further stress. The firearm was the only thing to cause a fuss in this scenario. Had James simply had it on his person, he would never have known if his luggage he gave to the bellhop was even searched ✌️😎
@@Jeff.78 the hotel searched the dudes baggage. Thats a violation of privacy & leaves potential for them to have ripped the dude off further. Imagine the bell hop being anti2a and straight up stealing the firearm instead of taking it to the security office. I'd never stay there again for one... 🤔Not to mention I would then need access to a washer & dryer cuz who knows what the 'hop did to or with my clothes... 🤔🤷🏻♂️ And the dude straight up stole his firearm, locked in a box or not.
The Vegas shooter knew this, and insisted that he stay with his bags the whole time….video shows him with the bell hop going through the garage (or freight?) Elevators, even.
James, you're being far too nice regarding this whole invasion of privacy. If I were you, I'd never book the Venetian again. And continue to share this story with as many people as possible so they know to seek lodging elsewhere, too. To make matters worse, the Venetian seems to have highly incompetent security personnel. Looks like the type of people who would never make it as a LEO but dream that they're "on the job." Security doufus, "Yeah, he has all of his ID and the names and addresses and pictures match but he doesn't have his top secret, super indelible, micro-stripped ticket thingy, so should I still give him his personal property back?" At least he didn't ask if you knew the secret password or how to do the secret handshake!
Not only that, he mentioned they were incompetent. I learned that if you keep things simple and ask the right questions and assert your rights they usually back off. I would have argues with them. They had no right to take it.
Imagine not being a lawyer, going through this without a solid grasp on laws and your own legal rights and being confused and scared at the same time. Almost seems intended to elicit a response to escalate (by the hotel).
Lessons learned, 1. Always wear your pistol on your person concealed. 2. Never let THEM take your bags to your room for you, always handle your own bags, or have someone who you trust or hired do it.
I'm suprised James didn't joke about how much money they needed to make this go away lol! Thats what I would've done. And ridiculed them to death about the way they were acting when shot show is literally in their building!
yup! But it is Vegas so if you want to hit the bar and the casino upon arrival like it sounds like they did, you have to leave it in your room I would think.
Absolutely ridiculous! Here are a couple of observations: 1) NEVER leave your gun unattended. 2) If you are not going to carry it, keep it in a backpack on your person - never check it in and certainly never let anyone search your bags. 3) Vote with you wallet and don't do business with companies that don't respect your individual rights!!!
NEVER means you cannot fly to a destination and bring a gun with you. If I followed NEVER, I couldn't hunt in several states...that are across the country from me. Good idea for local or car travel but not for many who want their gun at the destination end of a flight.
@Mr308inGA Traveling via airlines is an entirely different issue - there is no option in that circumstance. Airlines are federally regulated, and your local hotels and businesses are not.
Like most gun "Laws", they are made by clueless people and are incredibly ineffective. As a long term Las Vegas resident; It breaks my heart to see how you were treated.
Cant believe they searched your bags without you present and without your permission. That alone is what has me pissed about this. Won't be staying at this hotel in the future.
They look through guests bags yet anyone off the street can walk right into the casino and do a “mass event”.. So guest harassment over a little locked pistol case with a guest who complied and clearly displayed their willingness to get the situation settled was a top priority rather than being on the casino floor ready to take action against folks who may cause actual harm. Ill never stay at their casino now.
Spot on assessment. Total waste of resources. Even in the thumbnail, that's three security guards who could be performing actual work in lieu of wasting time on a person with a low-power, low-capacity personal handgun and 30 total rounds of ammunition who is acting completely within the confines of the law.
@@sproutpits Their so called "marketing" does not help their business. If ever I am in Las Vegas I'll *NEVER* stay at that hotel..... Fuck them.........
@@sproutpits Marketing is absolutely the wrong thing to call it. Marketing is by design deliberately disseminated to the masses. A few random bystanders may have witnessed this stupidity, but none of them would have had any idea what was going on. Not to mention the majority of people present to witness any part of it would have been there to attend shotshow. This is like a microcosm of federal bureaucracy. Absolutely criminal amounts of wasted resources to achieve a resoundingly negative result.
I'm sure it's a firearms policy meant to catch the guy bringing in a bag of rifles and magazines that also technically catches a pair of pistols. As well I'm sure Security escorted a lot of attendees out of the Casino because they were caught concealed carrying where they thought it was allowed when it wasn't.
I would have never turned a bag with my gun in it over to the bellboy in the first place. Also, I think it's very questionable that the hotel took it upon themselves to go through your bags without you present.
Seems like the bellboy knew the guy.. I Highly doubt they X-ray Every bag the bellboys bring up.. if he had escorted the bellboy to the room would the bellboy have said Hey before we go up I have to take your bags to X-ray machine?
They scan ever bag that gets checked. They have 25 dogs on site, more then the city. They also scan and video each license plate and person who walks in. I toured the security facility
Yeah, so after reading quite a few responses, finally someone said what viscerally was my initial reaction while watching the video. I get it, you want to start having fun, but how much time would it have taken to go up to the room, secure the firearm however you chose to, and then commence a night of debauchery? Or forego the alcohol and wear the friggin weapon. After more than 25 years of carrying a weapon, I’ve chosen security, hundreds of times, over drinking in a public place. But that’s just me.
@@DontTreadOnMyLiberty drinking while carrying is illegal, full stop, period. It's not legal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in any way in PA or anywhere else.
This happened to me in January of this year when I made the mistake of staying there for my mini moon and had my firearm in a bag. My process was not quite as bad as yours but it was still a huge pain to lock it up and get it back. One guy was really rude about it. He basically told me I could stay somewhere else if I did not like it in a not so nice manner. I was pissed the whole time. I definitely will never stay at that hotel again. They are making the place less safe by doing this. Absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah I agree. I’m sure mr jelly donut and the other security there are top brass. In reality they wouldn’t stop any serious threat effectively or at all. Which would leave everyone else defenseless. Dumb.
@@kirksmith347 Most will if you let them. I never let them. I have carried and kept guns in the Venetian several times, but they never knew because they never get to look at my stuff. To note - there are no signs forbidding firearms, at least there weren't when I was last there a couple years ago.
Any waste of a human being enforcing such policy deserves blunt-force trauma to the kidneys until they cry for mercy. This is a gross violation of federal law.
@@MrJest2 There are signs at the entrances to the Venetian. They’ve been there for years. But they are on tiny plaques on the wall. The signs don’t have any legal weight in Nevada though, and I’ve carried in the Venetian at least once a week for years.
After the LV shooting most of the strip hotels have become a real pain in the ass. Bag searches, room searches, are all common, and hotel security has been caught on camera searching unattended rooms by attendees of Black Hat and Defcon. The anti-gun policies and security theater of the Vegas strip are long standing, but have been taken to new levels since the shooting.
I stayed at the Venetian a couple years back and I wasn’t sure if I could carry in the casino or not so I Left my Glock in my bag. They searched my bag, called me, and I went through the exact same process you just did! Word for word. It has to be on purpose at this point since their procedure still sucks years later.
@@thetyepilot2501 the government is who Is covered under the constitution, not private companies. The state cannot search you without a warrant or probable cause, a company has no restrictions. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy but them searching what you left in their care isn't covered.
I know it was Shot Show and all but I would have walked out and cancelled my stay. That is such and invasion of privacy and how can they hold your firearm legally? Gun or not I would never stay there again.
The fact that they searched your bags! Without your Permission, without you Present, without informing you that they were doing so, then confiscated your firearm, for which you had a permit, while they were hosting a gun convention, my God the hypocrisy, would have literally driven me insane. In no way would I ever step foot in that hotel again and I would have literally raised f****** hell and immediately checked out.
Yes but then the professional GunTuber would lose all his ShitShow material because every room in every hotel is booked for the event. So the most likely illegal search & seizure had to get overlooked VS the loss of revenue from missing the most important business event of the year
Depending on what I was there for, I might just spend a day just going in and out, making them run the security detail back and forth. Get a couple of buddies to join in.
@@greg9268 I have never signed anything that gave permission for my belongings to be searched. Whats this contract you speak of that allows unlawful search and seizure? I thought he said they searched his blongings without him present hence the phone call from the front desk?
@@chrisferrell1037 I don’t know if such a clause exist but do you read the terms and conditions every time you book a room in a hotel? And the unlawful search part of the constitution only apply to the government. You are on private property and the 4th amendment does not apply to businesses.
Sorry to hear this. I wonder what would have happened if you had your luggage (or duffle bag locked)? James, you have 77.7K followers who will probably never go to that hotel.
Sorry you had to go through this James. This is par for the course in Vegas. They tried this on me as well when I was checking in for SHOT a few years ago. I also stay at Venetian or Palazzo. One of the bellhops who opened the door to my cab asked "do you have any guns with you?" I just looked at him, smiled, walked past him and into the hotel. This is what happens when you give people "power" over other people. Everyone starts acting like the Stasi and wanting to get into each other's bizznas.
Someone should organize a "Malicious Compliance Day" where dozens of people come and make the hotel go through the whole process every couple hours, each. Just overwhelm them and make civil complaints if they refuse to return your property. Just over and over and over...
I am a former navy nuke, current commercial nuke, and the malicious compliance is everywhere, I have guys that will not pick up trash because it's not written in procedure... just walking by zip ties on the ground that fell out of someone's pocket for one example. I digress, this would be amazing to do...
I know this is late, but I’ve had my gun taken twice. Once was when I had a medical emergency, and I had to go to the ER. Eventually, I needed a scan and I asked if my wife could come pick up my jacket. The nurse moved it and found my handgun. She took it into security. She was super nice about it and apologetic. The security guard was super nice and cool about it.
This situation is a bit different in my eyes - if you're in the hospital without anyone else licensed (if the state requires it) to take the gun and you will be incapacitated, then they need to secure that firearm while you are receiving treatment. Having a hotel search and take your belongings without your consent or knowledge is unacceptable though.
WTF were they thinking when then decided to search your bags, especially outside your presence??? There was nothing stopping you from making a claim that something very expensive (cash, jewelry, etc) was missing from your bag. This policy is going to blow up in their faces.
Yeah, I'm with you. If they detected the firearm in a scan the right move would be to call you down, since they were going to anyway, and have you open the bag to surrender the firearm to security. Having you have to march around the hotel was also bullshit. They're a service industry company, they'll bring a muffin all the way to your door at no charge, send security to the Front Desk to collect the weapon.
Step 1. go to a jewelry store and get some pictures of you wearing some major bling. Step 2. Go to Vegas and hand your bag with a pistol in it to the bellhops. Step 3. When they tell you they took your gun, claim your jewelry is missing. You have photo proof of you wearing the jewelry. Step 4. Sue for profit
We need to be the bullet to this Tannarite policy and blow it up in their faces. This bullshit isn't in their purview. They have no right to search my possessions without either a warrant or my presence. Even so much as opening my bags out of my presence is akin to breaking and entering into my home. I never trusted Casinos and now I never will.
I had a similar experience in 2019 at the Flamingo Hotel. I travel with Pelican cases for my luggage and gear, regardless of if I am traveling with my firearms. I checked my bags because I was 3 hours too early to check in. When I went back to check in I was told I needed to see security for my bags. I was walked down to the basement where they informed me they needed to search my bags. When I asked why, they said because of the type of luggage they needed to make sure I didn't have any firearms in them, before they would give me back my property. I was only stopped because of the "tactical" look, and they stated "normal" luggage would not have been flagged. Also, not letting them hold my bags would also have no triggered anything. So, they have a garbage "policy" with garbage enforcement, coupled with theft and forced compliance under duress.
A garbage policy executed by underpaid , undertrained people who simpky tick boxes, and ask you for a business card as an ID. This whole story is creepy, because if you get annoyed or voice your displeasure, they will throw the book at you or harass you. I will never stay at the #Venetian. this is creepy.
As someone who lives in Vegas and concealed carries all the time, I can tell you that you definitely messed up by not just wearing it in. Almost all the casinos are "gun-free" places, and all the strip casinos are. But I've known several casino security guys and one club bouncer in town and they all basically say "just don't make it obvious, don't brandish it, we know people have concealed guns but we don't care as long as they don't make a scene". Most of our movie theaters and a lot of the best restaurants in town are in casinos, so I walk past "no weapons" signs while carrying a lot.
@@MrBadjohn69 Only if they say anything. If they see it, they can tell me to leave. I only get in legal trouble if I don't leave when asked to. Nevada has a very particular culture around concealed carry. In both my initial concealed carry permit class and my renewal class, both instructors told the class the same thing. Everyone who carries concealed in this town ignores those signs.
If you check it in with the bell hop they run them through an X-ray scanner just like the airport does. I’m surprised he didn’t know that already considering how long he’s been staying there.
@@ryand4533 Gave me the impression he knew, but didnt expect such a hassle. thats beside the point though. The point is, they scan peoples luggage, but don't scan people. Its a stupid policy. They dumb
@@ryand4533 They could have googled James's name. But there is no internet at the #venetian . This would have been a situation where you say " Don't you know who I am ? " The entire set up was also worryingly confused, with all that walking, rooms, guns everywhere. Imagine someone robbs that storage room with hundreds of guns in it ? Then you have a security problem.
I just got asked by RUclips how I'd rate this comment and why. I gave it a big ol happy face, told them it was relatable, and then told them to go EHF themselves 🤣🤣🤣 James' experience also shows us how liberals handle security and problems.
You mentioned the perfect point, "its silly to have those rules when its so easy to get around them and so hard to comply with them". The scariest thing about the video is that if you guys didn't have smartphones to record all of this then when policy changed to make more sense they might have denied ever treating you in such a ridiculous manner.
It just proves customer service is dead. The Venetian like every other hotel and casino in Vegas feels you owe them. Customers are just marks to fleece. I have stayed in several different places there for conferences over the years. The difference between 30 years ago and today is shocking.
Only ever stayed at Excalibur, Flamingo, The Rio, Binion's and Vegas Club downtown, and the Las Vegas Hilton and a small place called Tuscany. Which hotels do you recommend that have a vestige of customer service? The only ones I'm considering are Cosmopolitan and Palms Condominiums, maybe Golden Nugget, Red Rock, or The Mirage.
I think they were just doing him a favor, and removing the ability for him to have an accidental discharge, you know? while he's "crushing beers" and what not through out the night? I can't believe he basically admitted that if this hadn't happened he would have been drinking and concealed carrying. Also doesn't sound like it would have been out of the norm for him.
You describe 90% of all customer service in Vegas. You owe them for bring there. They are only nice to you so that you will spend your money and tip generously. It isn't hospitality there, it is solely business. It's been that way for decades now.
@@pewpewTN im willing to bet if the cops were called in a situation like this they'd be on the hotel's side. especially if you started getting riled up & making a scene
This (people going through bags and taking things) is one reason I never let my bags out of my sight while traveling (except obviously to check them at the airport or leaving them in my hotel room). I never let staff or helpers or drivers take my bags no matter how much I'm carrying. Gun or no gun.
If they are doing illegal search and seizures you can always ask them where the money you had in the bag is? When they say there was no money, demand a copy of the video from the search to verify it was not taken by them. That will shed some light on the procedure, motive, and attitude of the staff doing the search.
Searching through your bags when checking in is outrageous. I don't care what they are looking for, it is well understood that they are to secure your bags which would imply placing them somewhere that no one will touch them. As far as a no firearm policy that needs to be stated on the front door and when making the reservation. In Texas there is a legal placard that has to be placed at the entrance to warn you of their policy.
In Texas a hotel and the like cannot prohibit renters from having firearms in their rooms and the ingress/egress areas needed to get to/from your room with your firearms. They can only prohibit firearms in common areas.
So I’m a former bellhop but at a different casino. For sure after October 1 everyone was on edge about people staying there and what they were bringing up to their rooms. That has since died off now as it’s been long enough that some people have forgot. Even back then though our policy was if it’s in plain sight we tell security. If you conceal it I can’t say anything to you. Also if it was in an oddball box like a pelican case or something how am I to know if it’s a gun or camera gear or whatever. I only had to do it once cause the guest was acting like he was on drugs and I didn’t feel comfortable taking his stuff period, so our policy is call security. Security comes and only in front of the guest goes through their items. We wouldn’t be able to just free for all on anyones bag in our back storage room. Security had to be there and the guest who owned the items had to be there. So the fact the Venetian has this rather loose and overboard policy in place is kind of dumb IMO. They make it more of a headache than it needs to be really
My wife and I are looking forward to our first vacation in ten years in vegas this winter and the Venetian/ Palazzo were on our short list of places to stay. This is now off the table and this is purely on principle as as a resident of the DPRNYC I am already deprived of my human rights. They have a right to say their house their rules and I respect that. I simply choose to take my money elsewhere.
I don’t think the Venetian is the only casino on the strip searching/crating bags left with the front desk/bellhop. Not sure if they would do the same as the Venetian but I believe it’s a thing now. After the shootings on Fremont street I think they are or have installed metal detectors. I remember back in late 2020 I believe it was, going to Vegas when street crime exploded on the strip. A security guard at Bally’s checked my wife’s purse for weapons when we walked in. That was the first time I saw that and the only time. That hasn’t happened the last couple of trips to the strip.
"Hello, I need police here. My gun has been stolen by security and they're not handling it safely. Please come before one of these idiots does something dangerous with my gun." lol.
Two major issues. First they went through your property without your consent or your knowledge. Second is this illusion of security all of the businesses constantly present to the public.
Doesn't seem like they went through his property as it seems like they x-ray the checked bags so that would have been when they discovered the gun. Notice the gun and case were still in the bag so I get the idea they never went through his bag. That said I don't like the policy when people are allowed to walk through the casino carrying a gun. If they really are worried about guns in the building then they should force everyone to go through an x-ray machine and give people the option to check their weapon or leave. Not that it would do much to help convince customers to come back when they have to now go through a hotel version of TSA experience every time they enter the building.
The wife wanted to stay at this exact same hotel next month - I told her that we will not be staying and to find another…sure “their hotel their rules” but to have the audacity to search a guest bags is ridiculous - this needs to be pushed out everywhere so people are aware of their policy of searching bags. Are they searching your room when you not there as well?
@@stevenbacon-cheddar9914 I undestand if u have gun lying on on bed. BUT since when is the cleaning lady required to open my suitcases and look through my things?
I had nearly this exact same scenario happen to me in March of this year. It was a total clusterfuck. And I’m a Nevada resident with a Nevada CCW. The bellhops and concierge folks that were supposedly trying to get security for me that were running around before security arrived were totally freaked out that I not only had a gun, but that I wanted it back after they fuckin stole it from me. They treated me like I was screaming aloha snack bar in the fuckin lobby. I was talking to the head guard escorting me because we had a 40 min walk all the fuckin way across Vegas basically explained he and most other guards hated this stupid policy, and then we talked about the irony of the security theater and that I could be carrying a concealed firearm, legally, being escorted by three guys who had radios lol. It’s such a joke, and is the last time I stay at The Venetian, and I’ve blown tens of thousands there. My biggest issues were the same as yours. There was zero forewarning that this was even a thing, and it was such a nightmare to retrieve something that, incidentally since they don’t have FFL’s I’m pretty sure is completely illegal, that it makes it not worth it to stay there. The one bright light from security was the Sargent, I can’t remember his name, basically suggested I leave the hotel once I’d retrieved it, circle the block, and mind my own business for the duration of the stay.
@@Cp12345737 James answered this in a pinned post. That said, I checked with some local FFL’s and NGC folks I’m close to, and it’s a complete violation of Nevada law for them to do this. The problem is finding legislators or DA’s in Vegas who will take action against them because at the end of the day the law only matters if someone is willing to enforce it.
Even if you can get past the search of personal items , the fact that they do this and clearly do not have a process that is streamlined… at any time much less at a freaken gun show weekend is insane!!! I frequently stay at this property and I will NEVER EVER stay at this property again!
It really breaks my heart to see this. I just came back from my 1st Vegas trip yesterday, had a great time staying at the MGM. I did travel with my firearm and carried the entire time including when I toured the Venetian and it's shops, and I really really wanted to stay there the next time I visited Vegas. If searching people's bags and confiscating property is the norm then I'll happily go elsewhere.
Sounds like following the rule of staying strapped all the time would have saved you a ton of BS; I won't be stay at that hotel on my next trip regardless of whether they change their policy at this point. You have given me much more research to do before my next trip anywhere and for that I thank you. Good luck from your neighbors in MS.
This is one of my favorite hotel and casinos. I nor my friends and family will ever stay here again if this policy is in place. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I don't know what to tell you. There are lots of hotels in Vegas that won't or can't enforce gun regulations after the 2017 shooting, none you'll be very comfortable with. Because we as a nation can't regulate gun ownership, Vegas had to step up or go broke. Maybe the next time there's reasonable gun regulation that will help to protect innocent people from mass shooters you think differently on it.
@@michaelwolf8690 YOU will never eliminate guns in America, NEVER. The vast numbers of them and the culture will not allow it. You need a real plan not more worthless " reasonable gun regulations". The government hires armed guards to protect people and property they care about like government buildings, national parks, the President etc. But they do not hire them for schools because? Can you even give an example of reasonable in the context that each citizen has the right to self defense with a weapon in general use per the SC and the constitution. Each year 1.5 to 2.5 million people save themselves from bodily harm or death in the USA using their gun. You willing to see all those people suffer or die when all we really need is real security in schools or to allow people to carry in the "gun free zones" so there is more protection from criminals who take guns everywhere?
Thanks for the heads up! I will never, I repeat... NEVER choose to stay at the Venetian after what they put you through. I don't care if the rate was a total of ONE dollar for a 7 night stay... I will not support a business that treats their customers this way! Absurd!
Honestly I've been on the fence about Mr. Reeves for a bit but the thoughtfulness of this video and him taking a devils advocate role, not giving into base frustrations has won me over. The fact that through a difficult situation where many would have gone apoplectic he remained calm and considerate means alot. Too many people stop reading the constitution at the 2nd amendment. So good on you Mr. Reeves with your handling of the situation and even more so for your responses to the many and varied comments. I'm now a big fan.
I watched the whole thing, but I'm still stuck on the part where they went through your bags. James...good for you championing properties rights, but your property rights were SERIOUSLY violated! I'm not staying anywhere that goes through your stuff.
Except that he consented to the searches when he agreed to the Hotel’s terms and conditions of occupancy. Go to their website. Save yourself the time and embarrassment of saying such stupid things on a public forum.
@@patmcbride9853 You’ll get no argument from me about not going to any Vegas hotel, but they’re all (the ones on the strip) going to have the same terms and conditions. They probably even use the same counsel.
James, first, you’re a really patient, cool and understanding man. And an inspiration for how to handle one’s self in a situation like this. Second, this is absolutely an unacceptable way to treat a guest and I won’t ever stay at or visit the Venetian again.
If those rules were not disclosed upfront then, in my opinion, there is clear reason to file a suit. I have great concerns about a hotel who will search a guest bags without notification of doing so.
Thanks for doing the video and getting the word out. Had a similar incident in Boston. Good on ya for keeping a level head. Searching your bag or being treated like a criminal is not ok. I hope the hotel will change their policy or at least post it somewhere, but I doubt it.
Stayed in Caesar Palace and Planet Hollywood with my ccw. Before arriving at the hotel I called the 2 hotels customer service regarding their policy for checking in my ccw. The rep said “we dont checked in handgun and besides it’s yours you can keep it in your room”. Kudos to CP and PH, from that experience I always stayed with that hotels.
Look, I'm all for respecting property rights, but that's a two way street. They stole your guns. Just because you were staying on their property does give them the right to deprive you of yours.
They didn’t steal them, he was free to retrieve them and exit the hotel, he chose to stay. However I agree with how stupid the policy was, just theatre, and next time he knows to just conceal carry (and hopefully stay somewhere else). Stupid rules
@@josedorsaith5261 he himself says it wasn’t stealing (as a lawyer I would defer to him). He was free to collect his firearm and leave their private property. It’s just dumb shitty policy, and the searching his bags is def shady questionable shit.
@@josedorsaith5261 Taking something without consent. They did not take his guns without his consent, because its their policy and he should have read his contract with them. Infact no weapons are allowed on hotel grounds and state they will xray and search luggage.
First off: Always go to the restroom and rearm immediately after retrieving your bags from baggage claim. (airports are sketchy places.) Secondly: find another hotel.
I basically had a copy and paste situation at the Harrahs during day 1 of Shot 2023 but it was entirely with airsoft replica boxes. I actually checked with security beforehand to see if it would be a problem to have brand new airsoft replicas in their tapped boxes in my room, they said no. I made it to my room and within minutes, metro was knocking at my door. People were reporting my group all the way to my room as we wheeled these airsoft boxes along. I had to deal with hours of security checks, paper work, the security guards and bell hoops were pissed at me for wasting their time, before all my “firearms” were locked up in a small office. I try to be very reasonable and understanding but security weren’t having it. They were so frustrated to have to deal with me. I had to personally check in with security each day so they could keep track of me. 🤦♂️
Not to mention all the security personnel were all way over weight. We're doing this for your safety. Meanwhile they can't bother to hire professionals.
I live in Vegas and your experience is insane. If I were you I'd never say at that hotel again. I've worked for some of the shows in the conversion center and it is a very long walk there and back. Usually, at the shows, there are at least 20 police officers there so I've never carried my gun and the company I worked for would have freaked out even though I have a Nevada concealed weapon permit. PS: Las Vegas is a Liberal City. When I moved there 15 years ago you had to register ALL your weapons with the police department. They would issue you a card that you HAD to carry with you when you carried that gun. If you didn't have the card OR got the wrong card for a different gun they would confiscate your gun. Also, if you ever went into North Las Vegas all the laws there are different. Once you arrived in N. Las Vegas you are not a criminal. Insane place. Liberals ruin everywhere they live. Including Las Vegas.
They don't have blue cards anymore, that ended in like 2009. You can carry whatever you want open carry over 21yrs old. And conceal any loaded pistol you want with a nevada ccw or ccw from a recognized state.
@@tckpsa I definitely don’t miss having to have those stupid blue cards. I’m a pitboss on the strip & ive never heard of our security searching anyone’s bag without them being present, or even being present. It is policy that ppl can’t carry in our hotel/casino, and I’ve seen people doing it & of course security shows up & does whatever they do. And during shot show we have tons of people there playing that are here for it & they ask me if they can carry. My response is always simple, as long as it’s not seen it’s not there as far as I’m concerned. If I know you’re carrying but it’s canceled I’m not stopping you from doing it.
I was a security officer for most of my working career and I am now retired what I see here is a hotel which does not clearly State the exact procedure you need to do to bring your weapon into their hotel during Shot Show. Considering the size of the event what they should have done is put on their website a information page which states exactly what the hotel wants you to do, so you can safely bring your legally licensed weapon into the hotel with as little difficulty as possible. And I can also see the other side of it as well Hotel Security Management all across the strip after the shooting incident a few years ago ended up being left on edge., and a lot of the current policies were written by the hotel chain lawyers in order to minimize liability. Believe me when I say the actual Security Management and operational Hotel security staff were never consulted when it became time to develop and implement those policies now in place. They have been placed between a rock and a hard place.
If the hotel's policy (or any corporate policy) "makes sense" to begin with, they can't then choose whomever they want to harass. This is 100% a case of a know "gun celebrity" getting harassed. These hotels have FACIAL RECOGNITION cameras, there's there's 0% chance they didn't know exactly who they were harassing.
We went for my wife's 30th birthday. Not to this hotel but, we opted to not have room cleaning. Two days later, we were smoking pot in the room and I hear a knock. I look out the peephole and there was a lady with a pantsuit and a security guy. We got a smoking room just so we wouldn't have to worry but, paranoia set in. I answered the door anyway and they told me that because I didn't get room cleaning that they have to come do a wellness check. Freaked me out. 🤣🤣🤣
Any security guards trying to enforce rules that are not clearly posted and, in this case, are violating federal law, should be physically subdued by any means necessary as a threat to society at large. Thugs for hire are the lowest form of human being and deserve suitable treatment.
@@blade420playElite , Excuse games that they play. I always hang the "do not disturb tag". Even when I leave the room for any reason. I simply don't want anyone in my room while I'm there. I trust no one, and I'm not needy or high maintenance. They can have their room back once I'm done paying for it.
These businesses now have so much power in this country they don't need to care about customer service anymore or trying to make customers happy. Would have been unthinkable even a few years ago to have a hotel arbitrarily search your bags and seize your property but here we are, companies are doing this and worse all the time.
But it wasn’t stealing ….and it’s not even close to stealing. FFS, where do you people get confused on this stuff? Not every homicide is a “murder” and when James voluntarily gave up his firearm when he had the option to leave the premises with it and chose to stay there instead, it’s not “sTEaLInG”
@@lq7777 Nope. Conversion requires intent to deprive the owner of possession. He was nowhere near his bags when they were searched and they gave him the option to leave with the firearm. There was zero intent to deprive him of possession. If you went to law school, they owe owe you a refund, because this was an embarrassingly wrong take.
@@dodsonarmsco Nope. Please, continue to embarrass yourself. Think about it a little bit - a transfer requires two parties, and in this case James would be the transferor. If this is an unlawful transfer (which it’s not), James would also be a party to such unlawful transfer and would be subject to prosecution. I love it how people publicly expose their ignorance on gun laws (as unconstitutional as they may be).
Thanks for sharing! You're probably helping hundreds of people have a better time during their visit to Las Vegas. Your Vegas footage was great. I enjoyed all of it. I enjoyed the blend of the visitor/tourist experience in Vegas, the glimpse behind the scenes of life covering SHOT as a journalist, and the personal social life and gun industry social life. This video was an interesting blend of hotel service rant, travel video, expert legal opinion from a professional (especially in the comment section), personal photo and video album, gun guy griping, a record of what it's like to cover SHOT Show with TFB, and general opinions about visiting Las Vegas and The Venetian from someone who has done it regularly. Who else would or could make a video like this but James Reeves? I love it. I'm reluctant to single out any one moment, as I liked it all. But one of the moments I laughed at was sharing a toast with Kirsten Joy Weiss in impressive style at 0:54. 🍺🍷 It was fun seeing all the silly photos: drinking poses at parties, games at dinner, making faces at industry celebs, goofing off on escalators, disco balls in cars, scheming with Hop and the crew, sometimes trying to work. It was a little taste of the social atmosphere. It's also nice that you brought your niece to a gondola ride and got remarried by Elvis. Plus I've seen in recent videos that you're kind to your momma. James Reeves, family man!
I'm willing to bet a ridiculous amount of anything, if James was aware of this policy, he would have just carried it on himself to avoid this shit show. He's basically advising us on the best way to avoid this since the Venetian is a lovely hotel. You do you ✌️😎
"Their house their rules," That's not how this works. Just because you're in your house, doesn't mean you can illegally transfer a firearm from one party to another and it suddenly becomes legal. It is straight-up illegal for them to take possession of your firearm unless they have an FFL, and they don't.
I live an hour outside of Vegas but I work and often go to events in Vegas and I can tell you that what the casinos don't know doesn't hurt them. They all post signs banning firearms from their property, but they also know that so many people carry concealed here that they usually take the approach of as long as we don't see it or know about it, it's cool. I know several people that work in security or concierge at multiple casinos and they all say the same thing. Next time, mount your weapon outside the airport and carry on...
Having used to work for a hotel. We've located a firearm left out on a bed a d the housekeeper notified us. We just left it in the safe in security and had the guy come bring the right documents, and told him to secure it either with us or in his car. I think the guest service aspect and the process you had to go through is painfully long and not accommodating at all. They need to do better
this is why i keep my do not disturb sign on the door and tell management i do not want any housekeeping to visit my room without my express consent. I keep my gun with me 100% of the time but I'm also disabled so I carry a significant amount of medication with me (some of which is controlled and a theft target) and so am very intolerant of any intrusions into the room. I've even left "indicators" to see if someone else has entered the room while we were away. Thankfully most of the major hotel chains are more than happy to not waste housekeepings time on guests who don't want them, so its never been an issue. Had the hotel called me and said they searched my bags I would have checked out right then and never returned to that hotel or any hotel owned by that corporation. Lets just ignore the fact that they found a gun and just look at the searching of your personal bags. How well do you think it would go over with *any* guest to find out that their hotel was making a habit of searching their bags!? Even without a gun involved id pack up and leave the second I discovered they were searching my bags! Not to mention its total security theatre. You could easily bring an entire arsenal in one shopping bag at a time. they going to search every single bag coming in and out of the hotel like its an airport? good luck with that. That's also the exact method the vegas shooter used, he brought them in over a few days time so this wouldn't have even stopped him.
Why would he need to secure it with you all? Why would you take something that is not yours? Then to secure it in his car is not safe, securing with you all is not safe either. Lastly if he was renting a room from the hotel he has a right to privacy. This is why I tell them no room service. Had a fake police/security attempt this. They gave me my weapon back!!!!!! And I got refunded all money and a free stay. You all will allow drug addicts to shoot drugs and pop pills but won’t say shit!!!! But won’t allow a law abiding citizen to protect themselves, you gotta be breach babies!!!
What commie states and mindsets do you people live in, "right documents"?? You people accept way too much tyranny and bullshit from morons. Going along to get along is just a gentler walk to the gulag.
Tell me, what are the "right" documents? You took it out of his hotel room that was suppose to be secure. That is theft. He should have called the police and reported it stolen.
I so agree, i actually worked for the Sands expo before the pandemic. From 2012 - 2014 all 3 shot shows had issues just like this. I did my research and found out the same info. Without an FFL, felonies were committed. I've since changed the line of work i do. 😉
Quick comment responding to the suggestions to file a lawsuit:
1) There's no Fourth Amendment/Illegal Search and Seizure argument here because the casino isn't a state actor like law enforcement, they are a private entity, so unreasonable search and seizure, at least under the Fourth Amendment, does not apply here.
2) Similarly, this is private property, so the Second Amendment does not apply, either.
3) Finally, there's arguably a colorable invasion of privacy claim, but convincing a jury of the damages to award could be difficult. In Nevada, "To recover for the tort of intrusion, a plaintiff must prove the following elements: 1) an intentional intrusion (physical or otherwise); 2) on the solitude or seclusion of another; 3) that would be highly offensive to a reasonable person." PETA v. Bobby Berosini, Ltd., 111 Nev. 615, 630; 895 P.2d 1269, 1279 (1995). Assuming that this set of facts would rise to that level, I would have no special/compensatory damages as I suffered no monetary loss, and the issue of general damages for something like this is a crapshoot.
Discuss.
Also, someone on Twitter pointed me to their weapons policy, although it's silent about searching bags:
"What is the weapons policy?
Except for on-duty law enforcement and special events with advance approval, Firearms are not allowed on property, including in vehicles. Knives with a blade length greater than 4 inches are also prohibited.
Should a guest arrive on property with a weapon, it must be checked with Security on arrival. It will be safely secured and returned to the guest upon departure or as necessary."
Screenshot here: i.imgur.com/FIFiyOv.png
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Private and Public businesses/ Entities have a legal classification as "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" PER Federal Law, Title III Reg 28 CFR 36.104. You cannon be denied service. Federal Law 28 CFR 36.202 & 203. Furthermore, you cannot be charged with trespass in public because you have the lawful right to be there and do commerce. Trespass only applies if you are in a private place unlawfully. Such as a if they were closed and you are there now unlawfully. As for the search and gun taking, that is illegal. They cannot force you. Them taking the gun is theft! The most they can do is ask you to leave which is also illegal according to the CFR above. The no gun signs in Nevada are unenforceable! Depends on the state you live in if the signs are enforceable are not. Sue them for your property! You do not give away your rights when you enter anyone's property especially when they are a business open to the public.
@@thetyepilot2501 I wasn't denied service and I wasn't asked to leave, plus they returned the gun at the end of the stay. Arguably, I "consented" to their keeping the gun in the "vault", albeit under duress, because my options were "check it in or check yourself out."
What I have to wonder is if there is a precedence (and I honestly don't know the answer to this), if there is some equal application of Rights that Venetian or other businesses adhere too. That is, you can utilize Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Religion, etc...but when it comes to the 2A, it's not a Right that's protected/respected. I understand it's a private business, but I'm just saying it's an interesting conversation point.
@@nobodyschannel "The State Action Doctrine": Constitutional claims under the Bill of Rights apply only to state actors, not private companies like the Venetian.
If the hotel does not have an FFL it is illegal for them to transfer your pistol to themselves! This applies to the entire hotel and all the staff including security! Only police can legally confiscate a handgun without you present. The hotel and it’s staff committed a felony
Unfortunately, the majority of casinos and resorts in Las Vegas operate as autonomous entities under the protection of the Nevada Gaming Commission.
The Nevada Gaming Commission is just an amalgamation of Organized Crime. Instead of being run by "families", they operate under the auspice of a "corporation".
Some things in Las Vegas never change...
Stay classy my friends.
This is a wrong statement.
@@smerfcy You refute my comment and yet you add nothing to the conversation.
If you know better then please feel free to educate us.
Otherwise you're just a troll.
@John Smith According to my attorney the answer is unequivocally - *_NO._*
EDIT: [This is NOT legal advice. I am NOT a licensed attorney.]
@@smerfcy A different John Smith asks...pray tell how those isn't a felony? It's reasonable for someone to be secure in their possessions at a hotel, it's theft, or something similar, for a hotel to claim property like this under duress, and they've taken possession of a firearm outside the context of a private transaction (I'm assuming that's legal in Nevada for the moment). That's multiple felonies right?
For me, the search of your personal belongings is the most concerning part of this entire incident.
Bingo. That alone would make go elsewhere. What if I had my colostomy bag in there?
Most casinos n Vegas have metal detectors for bags now since the route 91 incident. So they probably passed them through and it rang so they decided to commence a search.
@@SeezSantos People have metal shit in their bags all the time that aren't guns. There is NO excuse for that kind of violation of privacy.
X-rayed most likely.
That hotel just lost 100's of thousands🤣.
What I find most concerning, not only did they search your bags, but they did so WITHOUT you present.
chances are high that when you check into the hotel there is a clause in the check-in sheet that says they can search your belongings as well as guns not allowed in the room.
Yeah, plus they've got x-rays and probably metal detectors. Do those first, search if something is suspicious.
@@timthorson52I've been to very nice hotels. Never had that issue
@@JACpotatos ok
@@kavansurf but if guns aren't allowed in the hotel, why can people carry them in on their person? why don't visitors have to walk through metal detectors?
I'd argue the confiscation of your firearm without your consent and without an FFL would constitute an illicit federal transfer at best and theft of a firearm at worst.
Exactly. When you purchase a firearm from an ffl you take legal responsibility for that firearm. Anything that's done with it is on you. Ffl dealers have specific safes, inspected by atf and have to follow strict rules when storing, documenting and recording exactly where that firearm is at all times when in their custody. How many people touched that firearm, had access to it, moved it, had custody of it? A bunch of young people, bell boys, "security" and others, and where was it stored? Who's liable if an employee walks out with it and shoots someone or sells it and it's used in a crime? Is your defense 'the hotel told me' ok they aren't a legal entity. Under this logic you could own a taco shop and store firearms in the basement because you're 'holding them for customers'. It's absolute horseshit and if atf did their job they should be making arrests.
he gave his consent.
@@willharrison3740no he did not. They went through his bags without his consent, took them guns and withheld that information for a few hours.
@@gasad01374 he gave his consent when he gave his gun to the bell boy and again when he left his gun with hotel security.
@@willharrison3740 No he didn't. For example, when someone hands their car over to an auto mechanic for repairs, they can get into serious trouble if they go through someone's belongings inside the vehicle. Especially if they take something out of the vehicle. My teacher once ran an autoshop and had to fire someone for throwing out someone else's private property(a paper bag, and yes I'm being serious here) that was inside of their car. Especially since the customer noticed and came back all angry. The consent was providing repair service to a vehicle, the only thing that can be touched was the parts that were being serviced. When handing off belongings to someone you're only consenting to the specific service provided and nothing else(AKA you can't rummage through someone else's belongings). With that being said, this gives me the queue to get a lead lined suitcase and a small tsa unfriendly padlock.
This is a perfect example of how ignorance leads to “security theater” rather than actual security.
Ignorance on the OP's part as well. Check into your room, and none of this theater would have happened.
@@TharzZzDunN How's OP just supposed to magically know this? It's obvious that the hotel's OWN security force is barely familiar with this policy…
yep. if they were presented with a real threat they'd all be dead. people who are going to attack your hotel are not going to hand their guns over. they keep focusing on nonsense like this and real terrorists learn their pattern in 5 minutes
..."ignorance" is a polite way of spelling stupidity.
you know why this policy was implemented, right?
You had me at ‘we searched your bags’. A whole department full of Barney Fife’s that probably let real crimes occur while they were running a legal gun owner through a maze of red tape while being treated like a criminal. I’ll never spend another dime there.
What concerns me is that it appears it was actually the bellhops who searched the bags to begin with, not actually security personnel. I'm sure most of them are totally honest in their wages-and-tips jobs, but not all of them. What if there was cash, or controlled drugs in those bags? I wonder how often items just go missing from bags being searched by non-bonded security personnel? They are worried about someone with a locked, secured firearm, so they implement completely insecure and haphazard policies to "secure" that firearm? Another question is how did they open a locked TSA case, to even know there was a firearm in it?
To be clear, yes the hotel had the tight to do it. Their terms and conditions say they can, even if no one ever actually reads them. But to do so in such a slipshod, insecure way mocks the point of doing it. Almost as if they want to punish guests who make the mistake he did. Hard to fathom.
@@charlessherman5844 The problem is that most hotels don't do this, because it's a huge waste of time and money. Not to mention 99% of people staying there would be pissed if they found out people are just going through their stuff. I would be absolutely furious if I found out someone rooted through my stuff without asking or making it clear they planned to.
Yeah a lot of hotels have that in there as a catch all in case they absolutely have to but isn't daily practice to go through customer's belongings. Quite frankly this hotel should be ashamed of themselves going through their customers belongings, no matter the reasoning behind it; as they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". If they continue to do this and customers are made aware it's happening without their knowledge, they will lose an immense amount of customers. I certainly won't stay at any of the places owned by these people again after seeing this.
Been to Vegas twice ,first time was nice, second time several years later sucked ....think inland San Franshitsco 🤢🤮☣️
XRay and metal detectors are not generally considered a search. I go to a venue locally that has metal detectors..
That is all they did.. XRAY it and call him to the desk. It was never "searched" to the legal definition of the term.
Oh well herp-da-durrr, I'm sure they're gonna miss you!
SO how do they handle the fact that them possessing the firearm for 24 hours constitutes a "transfer"? Did you charge them a transfer or rental fee?
Excellent point.
Pretty sure the 24 hour window is obsolete when the gun is transferred without the owner’s knowledge
This seems like a question for their lawyers 🤔😆
@@audikid89 sounds like the stole it then, definitely illegal.
I'm sure the ATF is all over it
3 biggest takeaways -
No.1 Understand people will look in your bags and snoop in your room so be prepared for that. Anybody who is near you is another set of eyes to be aware of, good bad or ugly - don't trust anyone you don't already trust.
No.2 Do NOT let anyone handle your gear that isnt absolutely necessary to do so. Checking your gear for a flight is necessary but outside of that absolute necessity - do NOT let anyone you don't know handle your gear or even your general belongings. No bellhops, no cabbies, none of that. The more hands on your belongings, the higher chance that something will go stupid.
No.3 The Grey Man doctrine is the best doctrine. No one except you should know you're armed unless legally necessity requires you to say so. Your life will always be easier if you're as unnoticed by others as possible. No one knows you carry, no one sees your carry, and no one hears you talking about how you are carrying - the less idiocy you'll run into.
I strongly concur, i would hope james will never go there again
If I’ve learned anything from Fallout New Vegas, your first mistake is that you didn’t pick up the perk that allows you to conceal any weapon in the casinos. Until you pick that up, stick to a silenced .22 pistol or a ripper.
Ah, a fellow man of culture I see.
James just doesn't have a great sneak stat. Maybe it's the short shorts
@@diabolicalfox They do announce you're packing a weapon.
Mr. House always wins.
War. War never changes.
This should be brought to the attention of the SHOT show organizers so they can notify attendees of this hotel policy. It may be "their house, their rules" but the public should be advised of the rules so they can make an informed decision as to whether to do business with them or not.
Hold up hold up 😂😂😂 all this happened at a gun show conversation 😂😂😂😂 anit no mfer way
That would be great. The frightened little narcissists with their big "member" amplification units can go somewhere else.
Yes the organizers of the Shot Show should have the information of how they treated a guest of the hotel.
@@earlrissel4454 That would be helpful given I don't think the hotels really give a crap.
And the shot show should move to a more friendly venue.
The inconvenience is by design. This is how people infringe our rights without legally crossing the line. This is how the slope works. It becomes too much of a hassle and we just give up due to the harassment.
They are already fighting and we are asleep .
@@NCrdwlf I knew about this a week before SHOT… it was all the Hotels on the strip
Envolved in this.
There’s mass shootings in this country every day and these guys are just doing their jobs.
@@SrAntonio301 not factual unless a mass shooting includes gang violence
They've actually committed a felony by searching his bags and confiscating his weapons without his permission nor knowledge at the time. Only the police can take your weapons away. The security is supposed to either just let you go and stop being so damn extra about this crap or detain you and call the authorities to handle things moving forward if they're that perturbed.
That entire process was intentionally that inconvenient for a reason, they don’t want you to bring guns to their hotel… that’s crazy! I’ll keep that in mind, THANK YOU for sharing.
How is that crazy? Have you heard about the Las Vegas massacre in 2017 where a man killed 60 people? It's only natural that security would be especially vigilant now and tighten up measures. They wouldn't want such a tragedy to occur again.
Like many commenters mentioned here, just the fact that they went thru your stuff is enough for me to never stay at the Venetian. Gun or No Gun, that's an automatic Deal Breaker. Thank you for sharing this story.
The hotel employees committed theft.
They've got x-rays, metal detectors and as for seizure, hotels in places like this have lots of extra legal considerations, plus they can probably argue you handed the gun to them when you hand over the bag.
As a Vegas local, carrying on the strip is hard mode lol. Next time take the bags to the bathroom when you first arrive at the casino and carry from there. NEVER give your bags to a bell hop.
That was rather stupid.
Yea, I'm too paranoid about losing a firearm to theft - unless it can be on my person at all times, then it stays home locked up. I was surprised that he let the Bellboy take his bagged firearm to his room. I've never taken a flight and had a firearm checked in - I just don't trust airline employees with such items.
I mean when we were at shot show we had 10 guns between 4 of us and we never even got a look. Helps that we just took our own bags up to our rooms.
@@thekerm8470 That’s what moderately priced and easily replaceable items are made for. So you don’t put something expensive or rare at risk. Either way it’s never a good idea to give anyone your property regardless of contents unless it was unavoidable.
Never been to Vegas, do they all search your property?
This is precisely why I never hand over my belongings to a bell hop, no matter where I'm staying and no matter how nice my hotel is. It's staying within my view the entire time.
Wise Man!
Absolutely! Literally stunned that he handed over a weapon to a bell hop. Stunning. Maybe it’s just me but I would simply NEVER allow my weapon to move like this. Imagine if the bell hop had stopped somewhere and left the cart unattended. Then some thief stole the bag. Thief uses the weapon to kill someone. Yes it’s crazy that they searched the bags. Would they search your bag if you were walking with the bell hop? Crazy all the way around. But the first stop on the crazy train was him losing control of his weapon. BEYOND CRAZY. Be responsible. Hint: THIS was not being responsible at all.
@@OnShortFinal Amen! 👍
Yep totally agree and I don’t use maid service I don’t want some illegal going through my property. I can tidy up my own room.
Yeah, that’s pretty fckin asinine to hand over your means to life and death to a fckin stranger in a monkey suit working for peanuts.
This dude makes me look at him in a different light.
Which is the bigger dumb arse, the hotel of idiots or the idiot who trusted idiots with his weapons??
To be clear, NEVER give your bags to anyone... period.
This is the epitome of security theater. It's the absolute minimum they think they can do to prevent having guns in their hotel. But as you pointed out it does absolutely nothing except inconvenience a minority of the people carrying guns in their hotel.
Perhaps it is but after what happened in Vegas not that long ago and all he criticism that hotel received not to mention the lawsuits it would be stupid of them to not. Whether their rules and procedures are effective or not can be debated but you just can't blame them for being careful.
@@CCW1911 Well as shown they have plenty of room in the hotels to dedicate a section in the underground to be a storage armory and suit up area (kind of like changing rooms in clothing stores to equip your firearms before you go out). Reinforce that section (near check in), add a vault door, 24 hour surveillance, and guards to protect guests property 24/7, give them the option of a security password along with 2 forms of ID (at least one picture ID ) or an identification chip (kind of like a debit/credit card) check ticket to keep on their person, and be able to "check" it out at any time night or day. That way the guests property is protected and the hotel is doing at least some due diligence. Hey if they wanted to take it a step further they could add a gun store and an underground shooting range sound proofed so the guests and staff didn't hear it...I mean I would stay in a hotel like that in a damn heartbeat.
@@rhinox0110 Good ideal, but they are never putting a gun armory or store in the basement. Mostly because the cash vault would be in constant danger, and ain't no casino going to take that chance.
@@wolfinpandafluffy3479 LOL rob a casino in LV?...with ONLY 2 big roads in and out that are EASY to block in a few minutes
and all that leaves is flying out with driving to the airport with a 7 star GTA wanted level and the airforce base just waiting 'like giggling kids' to shoot you down IF you do get to a plane!
A. The fact they went through your bags is flat unacceptable, that’s a deal breaker for me.
B. I’d love to know if anyone there is an FFL.
C. Screw them I’ll never go back..
The thought of having any hotel at any location, much less Vegas, randomly search my things is incredibly disgusting. There should be a reasonable right to privacy, end of story.
Not checking jack diddly shit in with any bellhop ever again. Moral of the story.
Yeah that's what you're paying for isn't it? Lol
It's in the contract when signing in.
Venetian has been running bags through a scanner since after 9/11. I worked Security at Venetian from 2000-2007. The owner who has passed bought one of those airport scanners and has it down in the basement where all bags given to bellstaff get scanned. He was worth 30 billion dollars so he was able to afford one. The check in policy was never this stupid. Venetian/Palazzo are now owned by a corporation.
@@wolfinpandafluffy3479 Maybe in Las Vegas. It's illegal in TX to restrict firearms access in TX staying in a hotel. They cannot tell you in TX that you can't have it in your hotel room.
The most disturbing part to me is them secretly searching your bags. But I also agree with you on everything else. Good information to know, thanks. I guess I won't ever be staying at the Venitian, so long as there are other options, which there are.
Going through guest bags? What else do they do? Cameras in the rooms? Inexcusable breach of privacy. I would never stay there again.
@John Smith agreed…fat ass’d paul blart mall cop feels free to go through people’s bags? That is all kinds of wrong.
I'd be livid if someone went through my stuff. No way man, that's ridiculous
Wouldn't be surprised if they "redistribute" guns they happen to pocket during these searches
Lol wouldn’t be surprised, their doorknobs in the rooms don’t twist nor lock
James agreed to searches of his bags the moment he signed a contract with them and submitted his luggage to them. They xray every piece of luggage and state this on their website and most definitely on the contract you sign when you book/check into a room.
Note to Self: Don't ever stay at the Venetian again, unless you like strangers going through your possessions and confiscating or stealing what they want without your consent. Pity, I liked the hotel and the shows there when I visited a few years ago.
i take everything with me when i have to leave for awhile. the housekeepers get so upset that there is nothing to rummage through that they don't clean my room.
The Cosmo is worse
@@arturocamaney9235 Not familiar with that one.
THIS is why I NEVER let ANYONE handle my bags at ANY hotel! I was at the Sig Academy a few weeks ago for several days. Walked in and out of the hotel several times carrying what is obviously an SBR soft case slung with a case full of handguns in the other hand. No one said boo. So yeah, The Venetian can suck it. Thanks for the Gestapo heads up.
If you don't mind what hotel did you stay at? So I know where to stay on my upcoming trip there.
@@Tannim98032 had to look it up. Best Western Plus Executive Court Inn & Conference Center in Manchester. It's not far from the Academy and it has a restaurant next door and pretty much anything you'd need in the area. Staff was very nice, rooms were spotless, it was quiet and reasonably priced. What more could you want?👍
@@lwilson1234out in the boondocks
@@Executnrthat ain’t the boondocks, that hotel is at most like 3,000 feet from MHT airport on the edge of Manchester a City that easily has a population of 100,000 and a greater Metro population of easily 400k-500k.
Funny, because the Venetian was owned by a Jew, Sheldon Adelson.
Thank you for documenting my SHOT 2022 experience! I got the upgraded treatment, interview in a separate room interrogating me on why I was trying to smuggle a firearm in. My silence prevailed & they released me after checking my weapon.
Moral of the story is, never use a bell hop to check your bags into your room. Carry your own bags and place them in your room yourself. Check.
I would edit that to the effect that keeping your firearm on your person would prevent any further stress. The firearm was the only thing to cause a fuss in this scenario. Had James simply had it on his person, he would never have known if his luggage he gave to the bellhop was even searched ✌️😎
Yeah how did they know his gun was in the bag? Why are they just searching people's bags like that? Cops can't even do that without a warrant
@@TheAnnoyingBoss They put the bag through a X ray and found the gun there.
@@Jeff.78 the hotel searched the dudes baggage. Thats a violation of privacy & leaves potential for them to have ripped the dude off further. Imagine the bell hop being anti2a and straight up stealing the firearm instead of taking it to the security office. I'd never stay there again for one... 🤔Not to mention I would then need access to a washer & dryer cuz who knows what the 'hop did to or with my clothes... 🤔🤷🏻♂️ And the dude straight up stole his firearm, locked in a box or not.
The Vegas shooter knew this, and insisted that he stay with his bags the whole time….video shows him with the bell hop going through the garage (or freight?) Elevators, even.
James, you're being far too nice regarding this whole invasion of privacy. If I were you, I'd never book the Venetian again. And continue to share this story with as many people as possible so they know to seek lodging elsewhere, too.
To make matters worse, the Venetian seems to have highly incompetent security personnel. Looks like the type of people who would never make it as a LEO but dream that they're "on the job."
Security doufus, "Yeah, he has all of his ID and the names and addresses and pictures match but he doesn't have his top secret, super indelible, micro-stripped ticket thingy, so should I still give him his personal property back?"
At least he didn't ask if you knew the secret password or how to do the secret handshake!
Seriously the Venetian is the Best place in Las Vegas. James was reasonable given the cluster.
@@OceanBob no its not lol
@@GunsNGames248 …LOL…well I like it and so does James. What do you like better Sir…?
I would sue the hotel for invading my privacy
Not only that, he mentioned they were incompetent. I learned that if you keep things simple and ask the right questions and assert your rights they usually back off. I would have argues with them. They had no right to take it.
Imagine not being a lawyer, going through this without a solid grasp on laws and your own legal rights and being confused and scared at the same time. Almost seems intended to elicit a response to escalate (by the hotel).
thats life brochaco. be less ignorant
@@chrissmith-gb5et
Blah blah blah
Let’s thank Chris for adding so much to the conversation.
…now for the adults to continue.
@@chrissmith-gb5et we’re supposed to be more civil than your average human. Be less shitty.
I'd find another hotel.
James, your based as fuck dude. I’d say the industry needs more people like you but the truth is the world in general needs more people like you.
Lessons learned,
1. Always wear your pistol on your person concealed.
2. Never let THEM take your bags to your room for you, always handle your own bags, or have someone who you trust or hired do it.
💯
I'm suprised James didn't joke about how much money they needed to make this go away lol! Thats what I would've done. And ridiculed them to death about the way they were acting when shot show is literally in their building!
yup! But it is Vegas so if you want to hit the bar and the casino upon arrival like it sounds like they did, you have to leave it in your room I would think.
Absolutely ridiculous! Here are a couple of observations: 1) NEVER leave your gun unattended. 2) If you are not going to carry it, keep it in a backpack on your person - never check it in and certainly never let anyone search your bags. 3) Vote with you wallet and don't do business with companies that don't respect your individual rights!!!
Perfect
NEVER means you cannot fly to a destination and bring a gun with you. If I followed NEVER, I couldn't hunt in several states...that are across the country from me. Good idea for local or car travel but not for many who want their gun at the destination end of a flight.
@Mr308inGA Traveling via airlines is an entirely different issue - there is no option in that circumstance. Airlines are federally regulated, and your local hotels and businesses are not.
Or, don't be a guntard. Only the weak needs guns
Their is a matter of policy with the private property but hotel security is different from the security I do so I’m not an expert
Like most gun "Laws", they are made by clueless people and are incredibly ineffective.
As a long term Las Vegas resident; It breaks my heart to see how you were treated.
We lost 60 people from letting scofflaws bring their arsenals into hotel rooms. You are clueless and ineffective. Heartbreaking.
He got treated that way because he let them, dude should have been pissed
You mean the rules are made by people who it doesn't effect? That is 99% of laws.
The policy was created by a group of Karen's from housekeeping.
@@rodgerjohnson3375Spoken like a true narcissist and hater.
Cant believe they searched your bags without you present and without your permission. That alone is what has me pissed about this. Won't be staying at this hotel in the future.
They look through guests bags yet anyone off the street can walk right into the casino and do a “mass event”.. So guest harassment over a little locked pistol case with a guest who complied and clearly displayed their willingness to get the situation settled was a top priority rather than being on the casino floor ready to take action against folks who may cause actual harm. Ill never stay at their casino now.
Spot on assessment. Total waste of resources. Even in the thumbnail, that's three security guards who could be performing actual work in lieu of wasting time on a person with a low-power, low-capacity personal handgun and 30 total rounds of ammunition who is acting completely within the confines of the law.
@@JamesReeves It's security theater. It's worse than doing nothing from a security standpoint. It's just marketing, really.
@@sproutpits Their so called "marketing" does not help their business. If ever I am in Las Vegas I'll *NEVER* stay at that hotel..... Fuck them.........
@@sproutpits Marketing is absolutely the wrong thing to call it. Marketing is by design deliberately disseminated to the masses. A few random bystanders may have witnessed this stupidity, but none of them would have had any idea what was going on. Not to mention the majority of people present to witness any part of it would have been there to attend shotshow. This is like a microcosm of federal bureaucracy. Absolutely criminal amounts of wasted resources to achieve a resoundingly negative result.
I'm sure it's a firearms policy meant to catch the guy bringing in a bag of rifles and magazines that also technically catches a pair of pistols. As well I'm sure Security escorted a lot of attendees out of the Casino because they were caught concealed carrying where they thought it was allowed when it wasn't.
I would have never turned a bag with my gun in it over to the bellboy in the first place. Also, I think it's very questionable that the hotel took it upon themselves to go through your bags without you present.
Seems like the bellboy knew the guy.. I Highly doubt they X-ray Every bag the bellboys bring up.. if he had escorted the bellboy to the room would the bellboy have said Hey before we go up I have to take your bags to X-ray machine?
They scan ever bag that gets checked. They have 25 dogs on site, more then the city. They also scan and video each license plate and person who walks in. I toured the security facility
Yeah, so after reading quite a few responses, finally someone said what viscerally was my initial reaction while watching the video. I get it, you want to start having fun, but how much time would it have taken to go up to the room, secure the firearm however you chose to, and then commence a night of debauchery? Or forego the alcohol and wear the friggin weapon.
After more than 25 years of carrying a weapon, I’ve chosen security, hundreds of times, over drinking in a public place. But that’s just me.
@@Hughmungus2269is drinking and carrying illegal in Nevada? It's not where I am from, in PA.
@@DontTreadOnMyLiberty drinking while carrying is illegal, full stop, period. It's not legal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in any way in PA or anywhere else.
This happened to me in January of this year when I made the mistake of staying there for my mini moon and had my firearm in a bag. My process was not quite as bad as yours but it was still a huge pain to lock it up and get it back. One guy was really rude about it. He basically told me I could stay somewhere else if I did not like it in a not so nice manner. I was pissed the whole time. I definitely will never stay at that hotel again. They are making the place less safe by doing this. Absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah I agree. I’m sure mr jelly donut and the other security there are top brass. In reality they wouldn’t stop any serious threat effectively or at all. Which would leave everyone else defenseless. Dumb.
Do hotels check bags now? I never had any hotel check my baggage I just walked in.
@@kirksmith347 Most will if you let them. I never let them. I have carried and kept guns in the Venetian several times, but they never knew because they never get to look at my stuff. To note - there are no signs forbidding firearms, at least there weren't when I was last there a couple years ago.
Any waste of a human being enforcing such policy deserves blunt-force trauma to the kidneys until they cry for mercy. This is a gross violation of federal law.
@@MrJest2 There are signs at the entrances to the Venetian. They’ve been there for years. But they are on tiny plaques on the wall. The signs don’t have any legal weight in Nevada though, and I’ve carried in the Venetian at least once a week for years.
After the LV shooting most of the strip hotels have become a real pain in the ass. Bag searches, room searches, are all common, and hotel security has been caught on camera searching unattended rooms by attendees of Black Hat and Defcon. The anti-gun policies and security theater of the Vegas strip are long standing, but have been taken to new levels since the shooting.
Funny, hotel staff enabled the LV shooter.
Source on security search unattended rooms pls
@@WholeSomeHomie google "defcon room searches" you'll get a whole search results full.
@@WholeSomeHomie this video?
@@vast9467 they didn't search his room. You clearly didn't watch the video
I won't ever be staying there after hearing this story. Thanks for the info Jemes and sorry you had to go through all that!
I got accused of prostitution on my anniversary night with my wife standing 10 feet from me.
@@troyheffernan1261 please tell that story lmfao
NEVER, NEVER, EVER would I be a customer there EVER AGAIN!!.... They went through your bags..... UNREAL!!
I stayed at the Venetian a couple years back and I wasn’t sure if I could carry in the casino or not so I Left my Glock in my bag. They searched my bag, called me, and I went through the exact same process you just did! Word for word. It has to be on purpose at this point since their procedure still sucks years later.
Did they enter your room after you had left to search your bag?
If they did hotel committed a crime. US vs JEFFERS 342 US 48. Also the 4th amendment of the constitution.
@@thetyepilot2501 the government is who Is covered under the constitution, not private companies. The state cannot search you without a warrant or probable cause, a company has no restrictions. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy but them searching what you left in their care isn't covered.
@@thetyepilot2501 now had they taken the bags from a hotel room that would be a different story.
Dalton, don't waste your time. Look at the discussion under the pinned comment. This guy doesn't understand that concept at all.
I know it was Shot Show and all but I would have walked out and cancelled my stay. That is such and invasion of privacy and how can they hold your firearm legally? Gun or not I would never stay there again.
The fact that they searched your bags! Without your Permission, without you Present, without informing you that they were doing so, then confiscated your firearm, for which you had a permit, while they were hosting a gun convention, my God the hypocrisy, would have literally driven me insane. In no way would I ever step foot in that hotel again and I would have literally raised f****** hell and immediately checked out.
150% Agree!!
Yes but then the professional GunTuber would lose all his ShitShow material because every room in every hotel is booked for the event.
So the most likely illegal search & seizure had to get overlooked VS the loss of revenue from missing the most important business event of the year
@@garrettlundy3959 Yes, money over liberty my friend!
I'd say the way to deal with this is to publicize the hotel and its policies and let people decide if they want to patronize the hotel in the future.
POS security deserves very personal and direct physical correction upside the head for rights-violating tyranny like this. No better than the Feds.
That’s easy not staying there again…
Well..... I'm pretty sure that's what this video did....lol
Depending on what I was there for, I might just spend a day just going in and out, making them run the security detail back and forth. Get a couple of buddies to join in.
The fact that they searched your bags, that's just insane. That is an invasion of your privacy. Holy crap, I'm mad for you.
@@chrisferrell1037 hotels have contracts buddy, as fucked up as it is James agreed with them possibly searching his stuff
@@greg9268 I have never signed anything that gave permission for my belongings to be searched. Whats this contract you speak of that allows unlawful search and seizure? I thought he said they searched his blongings without him present hence the phone call from the front desk?
@@greg9268 James agreed after the fact. I would not have let them get away with that. Who do they think they are, TSA?
My property is not searched by a hotel baggage guy, out of my sight. Airports are bad enough.
@@chrisferrell1037 I don’t know if such a clause exist but do you read the terms and conditions every time you book a room in a hotel? And the unlawful search part of the constitution only apply to the government. You are on private property and the 4th amendment does not apply to businesses.
Sorry to hear this. I wonder what would have happened if you had your luggage (or duffle bag locked)? James, you have 77.7K followers who will probably never go to that hotel.
Sorry you had to go through this James. This is par for the course in Vegas. They tried this on me as well when I was checking in for SHOT a few years ago. I also stay at Venetian or Palazzo. One of the bellhops who opened the door to my cab asked "do you have any guns with you?" I just looked at him, smiled, walked past him and into the hotel. This is what happens when you give people "power" over other people. Everyone starts acting like the Stasi and wanting to get into each other's bizznas.
Are you actually comparing a hotel that is requiring guests to check their guns into a secured room to Nazis? Are you serious?
Having a policy is one thing. Searching your bags seems way over the line.
Someone should organize a "Malicious Compliance Day" where dozens of people come and make the hotel go through the whole process every couple hours, each. Just overwhelm them and make civil complaints if they refuse to return your property. Just over and over and over...
Genius idea- say, were you a nuke submariner? The "malicious compliance" gave you away. I'll further guess you're a Reactor Operator.
I am a former navy nuke, current commercial nuke, and the malicious compliance is everywhere, I have guys that will not pick up trash because it's not written in procedure... just walking by zip ties on the ground that fell out of someone's pocket for one example.
I digress, this would be amazing to do...
@@Ez-sk8ig Live by the book, die by the book.
Yeah, give them even more business. That will show them!
Make sure it's your 💩 pistols too lol. Hi points, and crap lol. Just in case.
I know this is late, but I’ve had my gun taken twice. Once was when I had a medical emergency, and I had to go to the ER. Eventually, I needed a scan and I asked if my wife could come pick up my jacket. The nurse moved it and found my handgun. She took it into security. She was super nice about it and apologetic. The security guard was super nice and cool about it.
This situation is a bit different in my eyes - if you're in the hospital without anyone else licensed (if the state requires it) to take the gun and you will be incapacitated, then they need to secure that firearm while you are receiving treatment. Having a hotel search and take your belongings without your consent or knowledge is unacceptable though.
WTF were they thinking when then decided to search your bags, especially outside your presence??? There was nothing stopping you from making a claim that something very expensive (cash, jewelry, etc) was missing from your bag. This policy is going to blow up in their faces.
Yeah, I'm with you. If they detected the firearm in a scan the right move would be to call you down, since they were going to anyway, and have you open the bag to surrender the firearm to security. Having you have to march around the hotel was also bullshit. They're a service industry company, they'll bring a muffin all the way to your door at no charge, send security to the Front Desk to collect the weapon.
Step 1. go to a jewelry store and get some pictures of you wearing some major bling.
Step 2. Go to Vegas and hand your bag with a pistol in it to the bellhops.
Step 3. When they tell you they took your gun, claim your jewelry is missing. You have photo proof of you wearing the jewelry.
Step 4. Sue for profit
@@kylelambert1672 yup….
@@michaelwolf8690 OR give you the option to leave the hotel. Why would you want to stay there after that?
We need to be the bullet to this Tannarite policy and blow it up in their faces. This bullshit isn't in their purview. They have no right to search my possessions without either a warrant or my presence. Even so much as opening my bags out of my presence is akin to breaking and entering into my home. I never trusted Casinos and now I never will.
I had a similar experience in 2019 at the Flamingo Hotel. I travel with Pelican cases for my luggage and gear, regardless of if I am traveling with my firearms. I checked my bags because I was 3 hours too early to check in. When I went back to check in I was told I needed to see security for my bags. I was walked down to the basement where they informed me they needed to search my bags. When I asked why, they said because of the type of luggage they needed to make sure I didn't have any firearms in them, before they would give me back my property. I was only stopped because of the "tactical" look, and they stated "normal" luggage would not have been flagged. Also, not letting them hold my bags would also have no triggered anything. So, they have a garbage "policy" with garbage enforcement, coupled with theft and forced compliance under duress.
A garbage policy executed by underpaid , undertrained people who simpky tick boxes, and ask you for a business card as an ID.
This whole story is creepy, because if you get annoyed or voice your displeasure, they will throw the book at you or harass you.
I will never stay at the #Venetian. this is creepy.
there is a push to make the Strip a gun free zone. The Democrats in the legislature want to give the casinos to ban firearms totally.
Thanks for helping us narrow down our choice of hotels in Vegas!
They're all the same
Boycott the Venetian.
Give your business to others who respect your privacy & property rights.
As someone who lives in Vegas and concealed carries all the time, I can tell you that you definitely messed up by not just wearing it in. Almost all the casinos are "gun-free" places, and all the strip casinos are. But I've known several casino security guys and one club bouncer in town and they all basically say "just don't make it obvious, don't brandish it, we know people have concealed guns but we don't care as long as they don't make a scene". Most of our movie theaters and a lot of the best restaurants in town are in casinos, so I walk past "no weapons" signs while carrying a lot.
Same here but James is a lawyer he has a firm grasp of the laws at play here. We plebians barley know where the law stops and starts to them
Following the no guns signs is how you end up as the victim of a mass shooting. We all know the signs should've even exist. So ignore away brothers
@Johnny Bravo most places here aren't using metal detectors the searching is the problem here.
So by carrying onto gun free zones you have now opened yourself for trespass. Nice!
@@MrBadjohn69 Only if they say anything. If they see it, they can tell me to leave. I only get in legal trouble if I don't leave when asked to. Nevada has a very particular culture around concealed carry. In both my initial concealed carry permit class and my renewal class, both instructors told the class the same thing. Everyone who carries concealed in this town ignores those signs.
they have a random search your bag policy? big yikes
If you check it in with the bell hop they run them through an X-ray scanner just like the airport does. I’m surprised he didn’t know that already considering how long he’s been staying there.
@@ryand4533 Gave me the impression he knew, but didnt expect such a hassle. thats beside the point though. The point is, they scan peoples luggage, but don't scan people. Its a stupid policy. They dumb
@@ryand4533 They could have googled James's name. But there is no internet at the #venetian .
This would have been a situation where you say " Don't you know who I am ? "
The entire set up was also worryingly confused, with all that walking, rooms, guns everywhere.
Imagine someone robbs that storage room with hundreds of guns in it ? Then you have a security problem.
The ineptitude on display by "security " is the perfect example of why you need to carry.
Criminal incompetence on this level should be met with corporal punishment through whipping.
I just got asked by RUclips how I'd rate this comment and why. I gave it a big ol happy face, told them it was relatable, and then told them to go EHF themselves 🤣🤣🤣
James' experience also shows us how liberals handle security and problems.
Bingo👌
Yeah a bunch of fat black guys who would probably be in prison if they didn't find a legal hustle isn't much of a security detail.
You mentioned the perfect point, "its silly to have those rules when its so easy to get around them and so hard to comply with them". The scariest thing about the video is that if you guys didn't have smartphones to record all of this then when policy changed to make more sense they might have denied ever treating you in such a ridiculous manner.
It just proves customer service is dead. The Venetian like every other hotel and casino in Vegas feels you owe them. Customers are just marks to fleece. I have stayed in several different places there for conferences over the years. The difference between 30 years ago and today is shocking.
Only ever stayed at Excalibur, Flamingo, The Rio, Binion's and Vegas Club downtown, and the Las Vegas Hilton and a small place called Tuscany.
Which hotels do you recommend that have a vestige of customer service?
The only ones I'm considering are Cosmopolitan and Palms Condominiums, maybe Golden Nugget, Red Rock, or The Mirage.
You are a "guest" at a hotel, I'm pretty sure that term means something.
I think they were just doing him a favor, and removing the ability for him to have an accidental discharge, you know? while he's "crushing beers" and what not through out the night? I can't believe he basically admitted that if this hadn't happened he would have been drinking and concealed carrying. Also doesn't sound like it would have been out of the norm for him.
You describe 90% of all customer service in Vegas. You owe them for bring there. They are only nice to you so that you will spend your money and tip generously. It isn't hospitality there, it is solely business. It's been that way for decades now.
I definitely could not have stayed as calm as you did in this situation
Get all riled up and then think that they’ll hand you a gun???
@@bobfoster687 lol yea.
They don't have a choice.
They can't steal your property.
@@pewpewTN im willing to bet if the cops were called in a situation like this they'd be on the hotel's side. especially if you started getting riled up & making a scene
@@BillyBobThorton777 it looks racial to me....
This (people going through bags and taking things) is one reason I never let my bags out of my sight while traveling (except obviously to check them at the airport or leaving them in my hotel room). I never let staff or helpers or drivers take my bags no matter how much I'm carrying. Gun or no gun.
If they are doing illegal search and seizures you can always ask them where the money you had in the bag is? When they say there was no money, demand a copy of the video from the search to verify it was not taken by them. That will shed some light on the procedure, motive, and attitude of the staff doing the search.
Searching through your bags when checking in is outrageous. I don't care what they are looking for, it is well understood that they are to secure your bags which would imply placing them somewhere that no one will touch them. As far as a no firearm policy that needs to be stated on the front door and when making the reservation. In Texas there is a legal placard that has to be placed at the entrance to warn you of their policy.
In Texas a hotel and the like cannot prohibit renters from having firearms in their rooms and the ingress/egress areas needed to get to/from your room with your firearms. They can only prohibit firearms in common areas.
So I’m a former bellhop but at a different casino. For sure after October 1 everyone was on edge about people staying there and what they were bringing up to their rooms. That has since died off now as it’s been long enough that some people have forgot. Even back then though our policy was if it’s in plain sight we tell security. If you conceal it I can’t say anything to you. Also if it was in an oddball box like a pelican case or something how am I to know if it’s a gun or camera gear or whatever. I only had to do it once cause the guest was acting like he was on drugs and I didn’t feel comfortable taking his stuff period, so our policy is call security. Security comes and only in front of the guest goes through their items. We wouldn’t be able to just free for all on anyones bag in our back storage room. Security had to be there and the guest who owned the items had to be there.
So the fact the Venetian has this rather loose and overboard policy in place is kind of dumb IMO. They make it more of a headache than it needs to be really
My wife and I are looking forward to our first vacation in ten years in vegas this winter and the Venetian/ Palazzo were on our short list of places to stay. This is now off the table and this is purely on principle as as a resident of the DPRNYC I am already deprived of my human rights. They have a right to say their house their rules and I respect that. I simply choose to take my money elsewhere.
I don’t think the Venetian is the only casino on the strip searching/crating bags left with the front desk/bellhop. Not sure if they would do the same as the Venetian but I believe it’s a thing now.
After the shootings on Fremont street I think they are or have installed metal detectors.
I remember back in late 2020 I believe it was, going to Vegas when street crime exploded on the strip. A security guard at Bally’s checked my wife’s purse for weapons when we walked in. That was the first time I saw that and the only time. That hasn’t happened the last couple of trips to the strip.
"Hello, I need police here. My gun has been stolen by security and they're not handling it safely. Please come before one of these idiots does something dangerous with my gun." lol.
Two major issues.
First they went through your property without your consent or your knowledge.
Second is this illusion of security all of the businesses constantly present to the public.
Doesn't seem like they went through his property as it seems like they x-ray the checked bags so that would have been when they discovered the gun. Notice the gun and case were still in the bag so I get the idea they never went through his bag.
That said I don't like the policy when people are allowed to walk through the casino carrying a gun. If they really are worried about guns in the building then they should force everyone to go through an x-ray machine and give people the option to check their weapon or leave. Not that it would do much to help convince customers to come back when they have to now go through a hotel version of TSA experience every time they enter the building.
The wife wanted to stay at this exact same hotel next month - I told her that we will not be staying and to find another…sure “their hotel their rules” but to have the audacity to search a guest bags is ridiculous - this needs to be pushed out everywhere so people are aware of their policy of searching bags. Are they searching your room when you not there as well?
What is this? soviet union?
Totally believable - sure she did.
Yes, when they clean it they will report anything they find. So much for ‘What happens in Vegas’
@@stevenbacon-cheddar9914 I undestand if u have gun lying on on bed.
BUT
since when is the cleaning lady required to open my suitcases and look through my things?
@@danieldz7906 true, doesn’t mean Consuela won’t get nosy 🤣
I had nearly this exact same scenario happen to me in March of this year. It was a total clusterfuck. And I’m a Nevada resident with a Nevada CCW. The bellhops and concierge folks that were supposedly trying to get security for me that were running around before security arrived were totally freaked out that I not only had a gun, but that I wanted it back after they fuckin stole it from me. They treated me like I was screaming aloha snack bar in the fuckin lobby.
I was talking to the head guard escorting me because we had a 40 min walk all the fuckin way across Vegas basically explained he and most other guards hated this stupid policy, and then we talked about the irony of the security theater and that I could be carrying a concealed firearm, legally, being escorted by three guys who had radios lol. It’s such a joke, and is the last time I stay at The Venetian, and I’ve blown tens of thousands there.
My biggest issues were the same as yours. There was zero forewarning that this was even a thing, and it was such a nightmare to retrieve something that, incidentally since they don’t have FFL’s I’m pretty sure is completely illegal, that it makes it not worth it to stay there. The one bright light from security was the Sargent, I can’t remember his name, basically suggested I leave the hotel once I’d retrieved it, circle the block, and mind my own business for the duration of the stay.
No shit!
Walk in with it like EVERYONE ELSE!
These POS guards aren't even human beings, we need to stop pretending otherwise.
Why tf has noone sued venetian over this!?
@@Cp12345737 James answered this in a pinned post. That said, I checked with some local FFL’s and NGC folks I’m close to, and it’s a complete violation of Nevada law for them to do this. The problem is finding legislators or DA’s in Vegas who will take action against them because at the end of the day the law only matters if someone is willing to enforce it.
Even if you can get past the search of personal items , the fact that they do this and clearly do not have a process that is streamlined… at any time much less at a freaken gun show weekend is insane!!! I frequently stay at this property and I will NEVER EVER stay at this property again!
It really breaks my heart to see this. I just came back from my 1st Vegas trip yesterday, had a great time staying at the MGM. I did travel with my firearm and carried the entire time including when I toured the Venetian and it's shops, and I really really wanted to stay there the next time I visited Vegas. If searching people's bags and confiscating property is the norm then I'll happily go elsewhere.
Sounds like following the rule of staying strapped all the time would have saved you a ton of BS; I won't be stay at that hotel on my next trip regardless of whether they change their policy at this point. You have given me much more research to do before my next trip anywhere and for that I thank you. Good luck from your neighbors in MS.
Bet you money that all the other big hotels have the same or very similar policy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
This is one of my favorite hotel and casinos. I nor my friends and family will ever stay here again if this policy is in place. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Be sure to send their corporate HQ a nice note indicating why you won't be doing business with them anymore, otherwise they won't get the point...
@@nothanks3236 The owners, Vici Properties headquarters are located in, wait for it, New York. That's all we need to know really.
I don't know what to tell you. There are lots of hotels in Vegas that won't or can't enforce gun regulations after the 2017 shooting, none you'll be very comfortable with. Because we as a nation can't regulate gun ownership, Vegas had to step up or go broke. Maybe the next time there's reasonable gun regulation that will help to protect innocent people from mass shooters you think differently on it.
@@michaelwolf8690 Maybe we should just regulate shooting other people, problem solved. Oh wait....
@@michaelwolf8690 YOU will never eliminate guns in America, NEVER. The vast numbers of them and the culture will not allow it. You need a real plan not more worthless " reasonable gun regulations".
The government hires armed guards to protect people and property they care about like government buildings, national parks, the President etc. But they do not hire them for schools because?
Can you even give an example of reasonable in the context that each citizen has the right to self defense with a weapon in general use per the SC and the constitution. Each year 1.5 to 2.5 million people save themselves from bodily harm or death in the USA using their gun. You willing to see all those people suffer or die when all we really need is real security in schools or to allow people to carry in the "gun free zones" so there is more protection from criminals who take guns everywhere?
Thanks for the heads up! I will never, I repeat... NEVER choose to stay at the Venetian after what they put you through. I don't care if the rate was a total of ONE dollar for a 7 night stay... I will not support a business that treats their customers this way! Absurd!
Honestly I've been on the fence about Mr. Reeves for a bit but the thoughtfulness of this video and him taking a devils advocate role, not giving into base frustrations has won me over. The fact that through a difficult situation where many would have gone apoplectic he remained calm and considerate means alot. Too many people stop reading the constitution at the 2nd amendment. So good on you Mr. Reeves with your handling of the situation and even more so for your responses to the many and varied comments. I'm now a big fan.
Bro, we are on the same page, his patients and thoughtfulness got me to hit the subscribe button.
Can you imagine if this happened to The Yankee Marshall? He would be ranting for days!
I watched the whole thing, but I'm still stuck on the part where they went through your bags. James...good for you championing properties rights, but your property rights were SERIOUSLY violated! I'm not staying anywhere that goes through your stuff.
Except that he consented to the searches when he agreed to the Hotel’s terms and conditions of occupancy. Go to their website. Save yourself the time and embarrassment of saying such stupid things on a public forum.
I do not think he is telling the whole story.
@@OFFICIALUND More reason to not stay there.
@@patmcbride9853 You’ll get no argument from me about not going to any Vegas hotel, but they’re all (the ones on the strip) going to have the same terms and conditions. They probably even use the same counsel.
@@OFFICIALUND If I ever stay in Vegas, it'll be the first time.
James, first, you’re a really patient, cool and understanding man. And an inspiration for how to handle one’s self in a situation like this. Second, this is absolutely an unacceptable way to treat a guest and I won’t ever stay at or visit the Venetian again.
If those rules were not disclosed upfront then, in my opinion, there is clear reason to file a suit. I have great concerns about a hotel who will search a guest bags without notification of doing so.
Thanks for doing the video and getting the word out. Had a similar incident in Boston. Good on ya for keeping a level head. Searching your bag or being treated like a criminal is not ok. I hope the hotel will change their policy or at least post it somewhere, but I doubt it.
Ugh. I'm from that shithole state. Glad I got out of there. Maine is a lot more 2A friendly
Where in Boston since I live there? You can thank the fine democratic politicians here like AG Healey and Senator Warren for stuff like that.
Never stay at a hotel which would so brazenly search your bags and hold your property hostage. Basically a government checkpoint.
This is also why I park my own car and handle my own bags. You can't trust those people.
Stayed in Caesar Palace and Planet Hollywood with my ccw. Before arriving at the hotel I called the 2 hotels customer service regarding their policy for checking in my ccw. The rep said “we dont checked in handgun and besides it’s yours you can keep it in your room”. Kudos to CP and PH, from that experience I always stayed with that hotels.
Look, I'm all for respecting property rights, but that's a two way street.
They stole your guns. Just because you were staying on their property does give them the right to deprive you of yours.
They didn’t steal them, he was free to retrieve them and exit the hotel, he chose to stay. However I agree with how stupid the policy was, just theatre, and next time he knows to just conceal carry (and hopefully stay somewhere else).
Stupid rules
@@JakeCamo
What's your definition of "stealing"? Because it doesn't seem to be the normal definition
@@josedorsaith5261 he himself says it wasn’t stealing (as a lawyer I would defer to him). He was free to collect his firearm and leave their private property. It’s just dumb shitty policy, and the searching his bags is def shady questionable shit.
@@JakeCamo
I'm just curious what you define as 'stealing'
@@josedorsaith5261 Taking something without consent.
They did not take his guns without his consent, because its their policy and he should have read his contract with them. Infact no weapons are allowed on hotel grounds and state they will xray and search luggage.
First off: Always go to the restroom and rearm immediately after retrieving your bags from baggage claim. (airports are sketchy places.) Secondly: find another hotel.
I basically had a copy and paste situation at the Harrahs during day 1 of Shot 2023 but it was entirely with airsoft replica boxes.
I actually checked with security beforehand to see if it would be a problem to have brand new airsoft replicas in their tapped boxes in my room, they said no.
I made it to my room and within minutes, metro was knocking at my door. People were reporting my group all the way to my room as we wheeled these airsoft boxes along.
I had to deal with hours of security checks, paper work, the security guards and bell hoops were pissed at me for wasting their time, before all my “firearms” were locked up in a small office.
I try to be very reasonable and understanding but security weren’t having it. They were so frustrated to have to deal with me.
I had to personally check in with security each day so they could keep track of me. 🤦♂️
This was painful to watch, I feel for you man. The hotel has no clue what the hell they were doing. Totally unacceptable
Not to mention all the security personnel were all way over weight. We're doing this for your safety. Meanwhile they can't bother to hire professionals.
@@Mattie_Ice And wearing a face mask.
I live in Vegas and your experience is insane. If I were you I'd never say at that hotel again. I've worked for some of the shows in the conversion center and it is a very long walk there and back. Usually, at the shows, there are at least 20 police officers there so I've never carried my gun and the company I worked for would have freaked out even though I have a Nevada concealed weapon permit.
PS: Las Vegas is a Liberal City. When I moved there 15 years ago you had to register ALL your weapons with the police department. They would issue you a card that you HAD to carry with you when you carried that gun. If you didn't have the card OR got the wrong card for a different gun they would confiscate your gun. Also, if you ever went into North Las Vegas all the laws there are different. Once you arrived in N. Las Vegas you are not a criminal. Insane place. Liberals ruin everywhere they live. Including Las Vegas.
They don't have blue cards anymore, that ended in like 2009. You can carry whatever you want open carry over 21yrs old. And conceal any loaded pistol you want with a nevada ccw or ccw from a recognized state.
@@tckpsa I definitely don’t miss having to have those stupid blue cards. I’m a pitboss on the strip & ive never heard of our security searching anyone’s bag without them being present, or even being present. It is policy that ppl can’t carry in our hotel/casino, and I’ve seen people doing it & of course security shows up & does whatever they do. And during shot show we have tons of people there playing that are here for it & they ask me if they can carry. My response is always simple, as long as it’s not seen it’s not there as far as I’m concerned. If I know you’re carrying but it’s canceled I’m not stopping you from doing it.
Don't forget about Boulder Citys crazy laws before preemption in NV
I was a security officer for most of my working career and I am now retired what I see here is a hotel which does not clearly State the exact procedure you need to do to bring your weapon into their hotel during Shot Show. Considering the size of the event what they should have done is put on their website a information page which states exactly what the hotel wants you to do, so you can safely bring your legally licensed weapon into the hotel with as little difficulty as possible. And I can also see the other side of it as well Hotel Security Management all across the strip after the shooting incident a few years ago ended up being left on edge., and a lot of the current policies were written by the hotel chain lawyers in order to minimize liability. Believe me when I say the actual Security Management and operational Hotel security staff were never consulted when it became time to develop and implement those policies now in place. They have been placed between a rock and a hard place.
If the hotel's policy (or any corporate policy) "makes sense" to begin with, they can't then choose whomever they want to harass. This is 100% a case of a know "gun celebrity" getting harassed. These hotels have FACIAL RECOGNITION cameras, there's there's 0% chance they didn't know exactly who they were harassing.
They had no right to search or seize a fkn thing.
We went for my wife's 30th birthday. Not to this hotel but, we opted to not have room cleaning. Two days later, we were smoking pot in the room and I hear a knock. I look out the peephole and there was a lady with a pantsuit and a security guy. We got a smoking room just so we wouldn't have to worry but, paranoia set in. I answered the door anyway and they told me that because I didn't get room cleaning that they have to come do a wellness check. Freaked me out. 🤣🤣🤣
Any security guards trying to enforce rules that are not clearly posted and, in this case, are violating federal law, should be physically subdued by any means necessary as a threat to society at large. Thugs for hire are the lowest form of human being and deserve suitable treatment.
@@blade420playElite , Excuse games that they play. I always hang the "do not disturb tag". Even when I leave the room for any reason. I simply don't want anyone in my room while I'm there. I trust no one, and I'm not needy or high maintenance. They can have their room back once I'm done paying for it.
These businesses now have so much power in this country they don't need to care about customer service anymore or trying to make customers happy. Would have been unthinkable even a few years ago to have a hotel arbitrarily search your bags and seize your property but here we are, companies are doing this and worse all the time.
I thought stealing a gun from an FFL was a Federal felony.
But it wasn’t stealing ….and it’s not even close to stealing. FFS, where do you people get confused on this stuff? Not every homicide is a “murder” and when James voluntarily gave up his firearm when he had the option to leave the premises with it and chose to stay there instead, it’s not “sTEaLInG”
@@OFFICIALUND If they removed it from his luggage without his permission, that’s at the very least conversion.
@@lq7777 Nope. Conversion requires intent to deprive the owner of possession. He was nowhere near his bags when they were searched and they gave him the option to leave with the firearm. There was zero intent to deprive him of possession. If you went to law school, they owe owe you a refund, because this was an embarrassingly wrong take.
The hotel breaks the gca68 anytime the take or accept a handgun from an out of state resident period.
@@dodsonarmsco Nope. Please, continue to embarrass yourself. Think about it a little bit - a transfer requires two parties, and in this case James would be the transferor. If this is an unlawful transfer (which it’s not), James would also be a party to such unlawful transfer and would be subject to prosecution. I love it how people publicly expose their ignorance on gun laws (as unconstitutional as they may be).
Thanks for sharing! You're probably helping hundreds of people have a better time during their visit to Las Vegas. Your Vegas footage was great. I enjoyed all of it. I enjoyed the blend of the visitor/tourist experience in Vegas, the glimpse behind the scenes of life covering SHOT as a journalist, and the personal social life and gun industry social life.
This video was an interesting blend of hotel service rant, travel video, expert legal opinion from a professional (especially in the comment section), personal photo and video album, gun guy griping, a record of what it's like to cover SHOT Show with TFB, and general opinions about visiting Las Vegas and The Venetian from someone who has done it regularly. Who else would or could make a video like this but James Reeves? I love it.
I'm reluctant to single out any one moment, as I liked it all. But one of the moments I laughed at was sharing a toast with Kirsten Joy Weiss in impressive style at 0:54. 🍺🍷 It was fun seeing all the silly photos: drinking poses at parties, games at dinner, making faces at industry celebs, goofing off on escalators, disco balls in cars, scheming with Hop and the crew, sometimes trying to work. It was a little taste of the social atmosphere.
It's also nice that you brought your niece to a gondola ride and got remarried by Elvis. Plus I've seen in recent videos that you're kind to your momma. James Reeves, family man!
NEVER let the bellhop take your bags. I learned my lesson in Mexico where they stole a few things out of my bag.
NEVER go to mexico.
“My wife loves Italy, so I took her to the Venetian hotel” 😂
Those are not even close to the same
This hotel blows. James don't give them your business again.
I'm willing to bet a ridiculous amount of anything, if James was aware of this policy, he would have just carried it on himself to avoid this shit show.
He's basically advising us on the best way to avoid this since the Venetian is a lovely hotel.
You do you ✌️😎
@@Jeff.78
Ok shill
Just pull your business and keep getting the word out on how you were treated. Their house their rules, your money your right to spend it elsewhere.
Exactly. I won’t stay there
"Their house their rules,"
That's not how this works. Just because you're in your house, doesn't mean you can illegally transfer a firearm from one party to another and it suddenly becomes legal. It is straight-up illegal for them to take possession of your firearm unless they have an FFL, and they don't.
@@stupidanon5941 I assume that's as legal as any other private party transfer. You don't need an FFL to do that.
This is by far the best, most deserved rant I've ever heard. 👏
You had a very reasonable attitude about the whole ordeal. Enjoyed the video!
I live an hour outside of Vegas but I work and often go to events in Vegas and I can tell you that what the casinos don't know doesn't hurt them. They all post signs banning firearms from their property, but they also know that so many people carry concealed here that they usually take the approach of as long as we don't see it or know about it, it's cool. I know several people that work in security or concierge at multiple casinos and they all say the same thing. Next time, mount your weapon outside the airport and carry on...
The scariest part of this is how seriously hotel security obviously takes fitness.
and diversity
@@JohnDoe-sx2zk the useful idiots simply following orders.
Having used to work for a hotel. We've located a firearm left out on a bed a d the housekeeper notified us. We just left it in the safe in security and had the guy come bring the right documents, and told him to secure it either with us or in his car. I think the guest service aspect and the process you had to go through is painfully long and not accommodating at all. They need to do better
this is why i keep my do not disturb sign on the door and tell management i do not want any housekeeping to visit my room without my express consent. I keep my gun with me 100% of the time but I'm also disabled so I carry a significant amount of medication with me (some of which is controlled and a theft target) and so am very intolerant of any intrusions into the room. I've even left "indicators" to see if someone else has entered the room while we were away. Thankfully most of the major hotel chains are more than happy to not waste housekeepings time on guests who don't want them, so its never been an issue.
Had the hotel called me and said they searched my bags I would have checked out right then and never returned to that hotel or any hotel owned by that corporation.
Lets just ignore the fact that they found a gun and just look at the searching of your personal bags. How well do you think it would go over with *any* guest to find out that their hotel was making a habit of searching their bags!? Even without a gun involved id pack up and leave the second I discovered they were searching my bags!
Not to mention its total security theatre. You could easily bring an entire arsenal in one shopping bag at a time. they going to search every single bag coming in and out of the hotel like its an airport? good luck with that. That's also the exact method the vegas shooter used, he brought them in over a few days time so this wouldn't have even stopped him.
Why would he need to secure it with you all? Why would you take something that is not yours? Then to secure it in his car is not safe, securing with you all is not safe either. Lastly if he was renting a room from the hotel he has a right to privacy. This is why I tell them no room service. Had a fake police/security attempt this. They gave me my weapon back!!!!!! And I got refunded all money and a free stay. You all will allow drug addicts to shoot drugs and pop pills but won’t say shit!!!! But won’t allow a law abiding citizen to protect themselves, you gotta be breach babies!!!
@@bp968 amen 💯
What commie states and mindsets do you people live in, "right documents"?? You people accept way too much tyranny and bullshit from morons. Going along to get along is just a gentler walk to the gulag.
Tell me, what are the "right" documents? You took it out of his hotel room that was suppose to be secure. That is theft. He should have called the police and reported it stolen.
I so agree, i actually worked for the Sands expo before the pandemic.
From 2012 - 2014 all 3 shot shows had issues just like this. I did my research and found out the same info. Without an FFL, felonies were committed.
I've since changed the line of work i do. 😉