I don't really care about Pride. I understand the original reasons but I think it has totally gotten away fro the real reason to celebrate. I only went to one back in the 80's when I was in my late 30's and was totally dissappointed at it. I had several younger people come up to me and ask me why I as there as I appeared to old to them and really should not be there as I did not fit in. Stayed a while longer and then left and hve never attended another one. Never have been accepted by anyone in the Gay community. I enjoy listenening to your podcast and wish they had been around when I was younger. Thank You for your insights.
They were great in the 80s & early 90s as you got some really excellent bands/singers playing - I recall seeing Labi Sifree & Boy George as well as some trashier cheese like Sonia, Danni Minogue etc. I'm sorry you experienced age prejudice - I was young then but it genuinely felt very inclusive. I stopped going in the late 90s when it started getting quite corporate and I was entering my mid thirties.
@@pablodelnorte9746 I got to see Joan Jett that day plus a couple other performers plus a drag show with some top Queens form out of state. The strange thing was that the Lesbians seemed more accepting and not judging on age or appearance. Thank you for your reply.
This is from the perspective of an American from NYC. Pride parades in the past used to be very sexual, like actual sex on the floats. After gay marriage, things changed a bit. It became a pride march with families. Sexual stuff was moved to nightly events.
31 and I've never been to a pride event, never felt like I fit in with a lot of gay guys in general, especially at bars etc. Always feel invisible or not hot enough, big enough
I have never been to a Pride event. Initially because I was probably too embarrassed. Now they seem very ageist, That is an observation from the outside, but it has been confirmed to me by insiders. Thank you for the video!
I have been to more than a few pride events. I don't really have anything negative to say. I feel connected to the event, but not on the same wave lengths. I think that is the age gap, but I like the movement for the time. Still happy to attend and the after parties ❤❤
My first Pride marches were in the mid 1970's. We marched , got shouted at and ended up listening to speeches in Trafalgar Square. Then we went home. Later, when I lived in Brighton I went to the annual Pride parade, took part in it a few times too. I always enjoyed the march, but owing to an extreme dislike of both dance music and drunks I never stayed for the supposed party after, like I never could cope with the club scene either. Now in my 70th. year I live in the wilds of the Italian alps and grow vegetables. I went once to Milan pride, but I shall not partake any further. I did my bit when I was younger, and now happily hand the batten over to the next generation.
went to my first pride parade in 1978 in SF and went to many after. moved to PDX and went in early 2000s - it was tawdry and lewd and the after party was held in a small fenced in area that felt like a kennel. tried again maybe 5 yrs ago and it was the same but even worse - every single float was a business advertising - it was one big commercial followed by a whipping bdsm display. haven't been since.
The thing to remember is that older and younger people don't usually mix. They are on two different mind set. Older people can be synic in their outlook and younger are still taking life in and building on their own experiences, building themselves. It's good to keep updated with LGBTQ and their outreaches because its still as important and its like touch down. The Pride month in June, I have been in the same partnership for over ten year and Pride had that sentiment. It was good to see young people having a voice and its fresh and energetic. So I say don't get down about anything and look into LGBTQ manifestos. Its still as important than it ever was. ❤❤
I’ve been to pride events for decades now, there is a place for kink at pride, always has been and always will be. The issue with pride now is that it is a huge commercial entity that makes a lot of money. My biggest issue at pride isn’t kink, but straight girls with a lack of boundaries and respect for the LGBTQ community, but this is expected as they are now market more like a music festival, however the lack of respect I’ve seen at prides is surprising. Some prides are also very focused on marketing to young, party people which can exclude large parts of our community. Smaller prides are much cuter and seem to be more inclusive.
I was at the very first (I think) London Pride and it was so exciting and invigorating. It was wonderful and political and transgressive. Pride was open to all and there was no kink shaming. People were able to march in drag or leather and part of the point was to shock straight people and that’s Ok. It seems to be a largely commercial venture or at least was the last time I went with the festival being ticketed and very expensive whereas in my day we saw great stars who played for free. I think what you’re saying is a hard line to draw. Are you wanting it to be palatable to a straight audience, can it still be transgressive without being the Folsom Street Fair? Or has the gay community moved on so much that it has to be family friendly ?
But there's another side to this. Why does it have to be kinky or overtly sexual? Why can't pride be a mix of things. It's not an all or nothing thing. We can have family friendly aspects and less family friendly aspects. But also the point of pride isn't to shock straight people, that's a bit ridiculous and only lends to worsening of issues. The point is to create an inclusive environment open to all that celebrates us and welcomes others in, rather then shocking others away
@@Ant-ux9wh it was a difficult time with no equality in terms of age of consent or marriage. Also there was Section 28 and AIDS so it was quite legitimate to use shock tactics. Pride was not a party, it was highly political. Of course things have changed but I don’t think we should be shaming parts of the community in order to be more palatable to straight people.
I don't really care about Pride. I understand the original reasons but I think it has totally gotten away fro the real reason to celebrate. I only went to one back in the 80's when I was in my late 30's and was totally dissappointed at it. I had several younger people come up to me and ask me why I as there as I appeared to old to them and really should not be there as I did not fit in. Stayed a while longer and then left and hve never attended another one. Never have been accepted by anyone in the Gay community. I enjoy listenening to your podcast and wish they had been around when I was younger. Thank You for your insights.
They were great in the 80s & early 90s as you got some really excellent bands/singers playing - I recall seeing Labi Sifree & Boy George as well as some trashier cheese like Sonia, Danni Minogue etc. I'm sorry you experienced age prejudice - I was young then but it genuinely felt very inclusive. I stopped going in the late 90s when it started getting quite corporate and I was entering my mid thirties.
@@pablodelnorte9746 I got to see Joan Jett that day plus a couple other performers plus a drag show with some top Queens form out of state. The strange thing was that the Lesbians seemed more accepting and not judging on age or appearance. Thank you for your reply.
This is from the perspective of an American from NYC. Pride parades in the past used to be very sexual, like actual sex on the floats. After gay marriage, things changed a bit. It became a pride march with families. Sexual stuff was moved to nightly events.
31 and I've never been to a pride event, never felt like I fit in with a lot of gay guys in general, especially at bars etc. Always feel invisible or not hot enough, big enough
I have never been to a Pride event. Initially because I was probably too embarrassed. Now they seem very ageist, That is an observation from the outside, but it has been confirmed to me by insiders. Thank you for the video!
Usually the after parties that get wild not the pride event.
Lesbian HQ! That made me actually LOL.
I have been to more than a few pride events. I don't really have anything negative to say. I feel connected to the event, but not on the same wave lengths. I think that is the age gap, but I like the movement for the time. Still happy to attend and the after parties ❤❤
My first Pride marches were in the mid 1970's. We marched , got shouted at and ended up listening to speeches in Trafalgar Square. Then we went home. Later, when I lived in Brighton I went to the annual Pride parade, took part in it a few times too. I always enjoyed the march, but owing to an extreme dislike of both dance music and drunks I never stayed for the supposed party after, like I never could cope with the club scene either. Now in my 70th. year I live in the wilds of the Italian alps and grow vegetables. I went once to Milan pride, but I shall not partake any further. I did my bit when I was younger, and now happily hand the batten over to the next generation.
My favorite one is in Orlando Florida, they do it in October. It is around a lake in downtown so much fun.
went to my first pride parade in 1978 in SF and went to many after. moved to PDX and went in early 2000s - it was tawdry and lewd and the after party was held in a small fenced in area that felt like a kennel. tried again maybe 5 yrs ago and it was the same but even worse - every single float was a business advertising - it was one big commercial followed by a whipping bdsm display. haven't been since.
OMG... on a yacht in Positano! How gay is that?!!
There are tons of videos on the internet showing all the dirty acts at the pride parades all over the place😂😂😂
The thing to remember is that older and younger people don't usually mix. They are on two different mind set. Older people can be synic in their outlook and younger are still taking life in and building on their own experiences, building themselves. It's good to keep updated with LGBTQ and their outreaches because its still as important and its like touch down. The Pride month in June, I have been in the same partnership for over ten year and Pride had that sentiment. It was good to see young people having a voice and its fresh and energetic. So I say don't get down about anything and look into LGBTQ manifestos. Its still as important than it ever was. ❤❤
I’ve been to pride events for decades now, there is a place for kink at pride, always has been and always will be.
The issue with pride now is that it is a huge commercial entity that makes a lot of money.
My biggest issue at pride isn’t kink, but straight girls with a lack of boundaries and respect for the LGBTQ community, but this is expected as they are now market more like a music festival, however the lack of respect I’ve seen at prides is surprising.
Some prides are also very focused on marketing to young, party people which can exclude large parts of our community.
Smaller prides are much cuter and seem to be more inclusive.
I was at the very first (I think) London Pride and it was so exciting and invigorating. It was wonderful and political and transgressive. Pride was open to all and there was no kink shaming. People were able to march in drag or leather and part of the point was to shock straight people and that’s Ok. It seems to be a largely commercial venture or at least was the last time I went with the festival being ticketed and very expensive whereas in my day we saw great stars who played for free. I think what you’re saying is a hard line to draw. Are you wanting it to be palatable to a straight audience, can it still be transgressive without being the Folsom Street Fair? Or has the gay community moved on so much that it has to be family friendly ?
But there's another side to this. Why does it have to be kinky or overtly sexual? Why can't pride be a mix of things. It's not an all or nothing thing. We can have family friendly aspects and less family friendly aspects. But also the point of pride isn't to shock straight people, that's a bit ridiculous and only lends to worsening of issues. The point is to create an inclusive environment open to all that celebrates us and welcomes others in, rather then shocking others away
@@Ant-ux9wh it was a difficult time with no equality in terms of age of consent or marriage. Also there was Section 28 and AIDS so it was quite legitimate to use shock tactics. Pride was not a party, it was highly political. Of course things have changed but I don’t think we should be shaming parts of the community in order to be more palatable to straight people.