10 Doctor Who Facts Most Fans Don't Know
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2022
- Those Doctor Who facts that even fully-trained Time Lords might not be aware of.
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Free jammie dodgers if you knew all of these btw
Can I eat it in front of a Dalek?
No jammie dodgers for me. Sigh.
Hand em over
Oh no you reviled that it wasn’t the self destruct button
I could really go for a jammie dodger right now
I started watching Doctor Who when I was four years old back in 1969 and the first Doctor gave me nightmares. I had dreams of him taking me and selling me into slavery. Thanks Ian and Barbara for that one. At five I was a little more educated and could actually grasp what was going on.
I watched the first episode back in '63. The Doctor genuinely gave me the creeps, and I was hoping he wouldn't find Ian and Barbara in the scrapyard....I remember when they burst into the small box to "rescue" Susan and found themselves in a large room.....we were so lucky to be the first to see this, kids today take it for granted that it is "bigger on the inside"...we were gobsmacked, a genuinely memorable moment in TV history
@@Neil070 i feel like all kids who watch doctor who are gobsmacked when its revealed to be bigger on the inside. regardless of if u watched it as a child in 1963 or 2022. the feeling of amazement would always be the same. but it must have been special to have watched the first ever reveal in 63. it must have been quite a moment for viewers at that time.
Fact: I was once in Glasgow and looked up to see Tom Baker with some other people having a discussion right beside a blue police box. I absolutely did a double take!
Buchanan St, near Gordon St and Nelson Mandela Place - that's where the police box was in Glasgow. I assume it still is, haven't been home in a while.
I always theorised that Susan and the Doctor were the only ones to call the ship "The TARDIS" and the TARDIS translator simply translated any other name for the ship into "TARDIS" as it did for the audience (and the companions - as the audience often plays the role of the companion) when alien languages are spoken
That's brilliant
I actually spoke with John Barrowman at a convention recently. He said that since he was a RTD creation, he had to give permission for future writers to use the characters. As far as he knows, Chibnall made the call (obviously), but Moffatt never did.
Moffat and RTD have a great working relationship. If RTD and Barrowman were working on Torchwood: Miracle Day, it was an Showtime/BBC con production. Moffatt could have called RTD and found out there were no breaks for Barrowman to make it back for filming from USA
He was introduced in a Moffat episode? (The empty child/The doctor dances)
@@kickdumbos Yes, but if I remember correctly he is still a character created by RTD for that episode
@@Lukecash2 Hate to be pedantic, but _Miracle Day_ was co-produced by Starz, not Showtime.
@@joshuajones7733 Jack is a character created within RTD's first Era, not a character created/invented by RTD. Jack was created by Steven Moffat and liked so much by RTD that he was kept on as a major character in the series 😌
Everybody knows James Bond is a Time Lord.
Timothy Dalton as Rassilon
@@williammitchell4417 yep.
I think I saw Connery with a Sonic Screwdriver once.
OK now tell us some thing. We DONT KNOW.
It’s obvious and @GabePuratekuta same
Great to hear a mention of Soho's notorious Colony Room! I've just finished reading the brilliant 'Tales From The Colony Room - Soho's Lost Bohemia', by Darren Coffield. A damn good read.
William Henry Pratt, or Boris Karloff, as he is better known, played Frankenstein's creature three times. He played Frankenstein once, in 1958's 'Frankenstein: 1970'. An atmospheric and fun 'B' movie.
The Timelords refer to the TARDIS as a 'Type 40 TT capsule'. 'TT' presumably standing for 'Time Travel'.
Karlof did not play Frenkenstein. He played Frenkenstein's creation - sometimes referred to as 'the Monster' or 'Adam' in Mary Shelly's book. Also. TARDIS was origionally an initialism since it did not form a word at the time of Doctor Who's initial broadcast in 1963. Tardis became an Acronym because of Doctor Who and is now probably more recognised as a word due to Doctor Who.
I think Karloff only ever played Frankenstein once, in a production later on in his career.
The doctor not the monster?
TARDIS was said in the pilot episode of DW, and the Doctor's granddaughter Suzan was the one who gave the exposition of what the TARDIS was: Time And Relative Dimention In Space- TARDIS.
@@safiremorningstar He played Dr Frankenstein in a 1958 film called Frankenstein 1970.
Frankenstein, is the name taken by the monster. He posits in a chapter by the pond something like….the dr is my creator, father, therefore i shall take his name like a son.
Karloff was known for playing Frankenstein's monster rather than Frankenstein himself, he did play Frankenstein once much later but your referenced footage was from the more notable early films!
Lol this is the most nitpicky thing and I hear it so much. Yes Frankenstein is the doctor who creates the monster. But pop culture has made it so the monster is also recognized as Frankenstein. In a video like this there is no harm in calling the monster Frankenstein. Most people know this, you’re just correcting to correct.
@@DrDinoNuggies I was more jumping in pointing out that he did indeed play Frankenstein, however that film was not referenced in this video while the former was.
Also if I didn't do it you know someone else would have (probably still will anyway 😆)
Great video. There still is a Police Box in Newport that now has grade A listing because of its historical importance. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Lots of the police boxes in glasgow. Another reason why that 1st episode of the 12th doctor , when they walk out, he says who knows might be glasgow.
Oh other glasgow reference - university of glasgow has a page discussing alumni, including the doctor after Clara states it an episode that he studied there
Hold up…Jon Pertwee’s Snake Tattoo is in the shape of a QUESTION MARK!? Not only THAT, he’s NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHERE HE GOT IT!? It’s kind of like the Somebody was trying to tell him something! What if the Cobra is his spirit animal and it was trying to tell him what his future held!? Personally, i find this fact REALLY COOL! 🤯
Why of course James Bond is a "secret" Time Lord but then so is "M"!!!!!!!! But that means that "M" is really the "Master"!!!!!!!!! Now isn't that Qwerky and a bit Bonkers!!!!!
Perfect for a Doctor Who script written by Douglas Adams!
I have a police box pencil case that predates the Doctor Who versus the police argument, brought from WHSmith sold as a London souvenir item.
The Red Dwarf crew met Jesus and Judas, as grown ups in a market place.
Some people always seem to mix up Frankenstein the creator and his monster. Karloff played Frankenstein's monster, not the scientist himself.
Side note, the late Christopher Lee who played amongst other roles, Dracula, Fu Manchu, Scarmanga and Sauron, was a cousin of Ian Fleming, the creator of Bond.
Nothing to do with your comment, but beware of the phishing-bot pretending to be from who culture.
The idea that at Time Machine like The TARDIS would be named on its Type 40 incarnation and then retroactively have always been called that fits very well in both the Timey-Whimey nature of Doctor Who and the unrelated works of Douglas Adams. Ford Prefect had always been Ford Prefect despite choosing the name specifically to blend in on Earth.
Maybe The Doctor had always been The Doctor despite not getting that name until later in life? What's a little bootstrap paradox among friends?
River explained that the Doctor's name is in fact a bootstrap paradox. The Doctor chose Doctor because of what it meant around the universe, but most if not all of those places chose the word Doctor because OF the Doctor's actions.
Minor fun fact, back on Gallifrey, when The Doctor used to be a Teacher/Professor in the Time Lord Academy... He contributed the creation of the "Chameleon Circuit" for all TARDIS's!
For the TARDIS acronym, I like to think of it as SHIELD from the MCU. Just imagining Time Lords going around saying the whole name, only for Susan to be like "Just call it TARDIS" and everyone is like *Insert Surprised Pickachu Face Here* 😂
4:04 - You left out THE most important part of the TARDIS trademark case. It was found the police had never trademarked the police box in the first place, so they had no claim. The fact they were disappearing was only mentioned as an aside.
The Navel Intelligence thing makes Jon Pertwee even more interesting
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Outlander was kind of an extension and tribute of Dr. Who. The original companion in Classic Who Jamie McCrimmon was played by Frazer Hines who even did a guest spot on Outlander as Sir Fletcher Gordon, the governor of Wentworth Prison where Jaime Fraiser was held captive by Jonathan Randall. The author evened named the male lead Jaime (for the Dr. Who companion's fictional name) Fraiser (for the companion's real name, which is spelled Frazer). A tribute to her favorite show she loved over decades to create her own work inspired by the time-traveling series. I know it's not technically about something in Dr. Who but I still thought the work and the tribute offered was lovely. And the way the author, Diana Gabaldon writes causal paradoxes are just so well done. They look effortless.
The "tramp" in Deep Breath, was Brian Miller, Elisabeth Sladens (sarah-Jane) husband of over 40 years, up to her death. Peter Capaldis 12th doctor stole his coat in his newly regenerated fugue.
He was also Dugdale in 1983's Snakedance, voiced Daleks in 1984's Resurrection of the Daleks and 1988's Remembrance of the Daleks, Harry in the Sarah Jane Adventures episode The Mad Woman in the Attic, plus two audios for Big Finish - Sarah Jane Smith@ Ghost Town and Gallifrey: Reborn.
5:12 I still believe that does happen, but due to his immortality while his head survives, his body does too.
I don't just mean as a headless body. But like a new head grows back.
The head will age just slowly, while his body and new head will continue to be immortal.
The boxed head would end up missing some memories, like his actual name or even the name he took.
Defaulting to his old title "The Face of Boe"
Love this theory 💜✨
So in a sense.. Jack can regenerate in a similar capacity to the Doctor. 🤔 I always wondered how many characters had the same ability.
Well, the theory that the headless monk "kill" him like the blue dude.
@@kadosho02 No one else. Jack is a unique individual in that regard. There surely are other "immortals", but we know for sure about just a few of them. One of which is Ashildr/Lady Me. Not even she is immortal in the same way as Jack. She basically won't age, her cells are always repaired, so she won't die of old age, but she still can get ill or even killed by any other means. If her body is damaged enough, the Mire chip inside her won't cope with that and she'll die. Jack on the other hand being killed will resurrect shortly after, basically he will die, but won't stay dead for long. Rose/Bad Wolf brought him back forever.
Thing about the Face of Boe, as it's classified as its own "race" (the Boekind), might be, that by severing Jack's head from his body and the head continuing to grow independently, he might become a new species, mutating, thus bypassing Rose's "spell", meaning the head could grow and age for a long time, but wouldn't be immortal anymore.
Or he's still immortal, but doesn't know about it, living for ages, he could forget some things. His death in Gridlock was also kinda self inflicted, as FoB gave up his life energy to save the city. Almost like a suicide, well more a sacrifice. There are possibilities.
It's so relaxing to hear Sean narrating Who trivia❤
Nope.
What's wrong with Ellie?
@@GabePuratekuta Just because I compliment one presenter doesn't mean I'm dissing another!
I do wish they made the doctor Techteun, who regretted their actions and wanted to befriend the being they once experimented on.
I.e the doctor being Techteun, and the Master being the ACTUAL timeless child.
Either that or a sorta paradox, where the Master got sent back through a rip in time after nabbing the cyberium, lost his memories, forced to regenerate possibly UPGRADED by the Cyberium influence to make it superior to timelord regeneration. Said regeneration ended up being a young kid.
Who would later BECOME the doctor.
Now THAT would have been a shocker.
@Sexy Fantasy Girls Never mind the ofter overlooked fact the Techteun was one of the most evil creations in the Doctor Who show, who literally tortured a child to death over and over till she achieved her goal, a female version of Dr Josef Mengele, also known as the Angel of Death, who experimented on prisoners in Nazi death camps in the 2nd World War. :(
@@RobG001 You know, there are forced regenerations, don't you? Not that every regeneration has to be triggered by killing the subject. Tecteun literally adopted the child, she loved her like her own, and since she was a scientist, making experiments, she cracked the code eventually. I mean experimenting on a child is imoral on itself, no need to make her into a cold blooded murderer. The Tecteun later, the Division head, who created and released the FLUX, yep, that's a real monster, but at the begining of Timelord society, she was an explorer, a scientist and a mother.
Love Sean's voice -- if that's all we can have I'll take it!
Frankenstein is the Dr...Karloff was the monster!
John Pertwee was a crew member of the HMS Hood but left the ship just prior to it leaving to intercept the Bismarck ( it was either to attend a training course or he had a medical emergency). During that engagement on 24 May 1941, 6 minutes after opening fire, Hood took a direct hit and blew up. Of the crew of 1,418, 1,415 went down with the ship.
These are all brilliant, but why does the Valeyard have Potato Waffles on his wall?
I did not know a lot of that. Thank you.
I would have lost my mind if Boris Karloff became the Doctor. Holy shit the potential! Would have been so good.
Frankenstiens MONSTER Dangit!
I always kinda assumed the police box was the inspiration for a time series as it probably seemed like an endless about of time for the bobbies to show up after a call from one. Haha😜😜
Some of those have nothing to do with Doctor Who other than maybe a writer or actor was involved with something outside of doctor who. Thought this was going to be facts inside the whoverse.
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Why is it that, every time I see one of these "ten things you didn't know" video lists about Doctor Who, only _maybe_ one of them falls into that category? The only one this time is the one about Karloff having been in the running to be the first Doctor. 😄
Still, with me having been a big fan since the first year PBS brought us heathens in the USA the joy that was Doctor Who, it's hard to find anything that would qualify as something I didn't know about the show. Something I'd forgotten, maybe, LOL, but didn't know? That's a heavy lift!
Leaving my like and comment for the care and feeding of the Almighty Algorithm.
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Didn't Karloff play Frankenstein's monster?
OmG the face of Bo makes so much more sense now. Awesome episode.
Always a delight to watch your videos
Oh common WhoCulture how did “played Frankenstein” make it into the video, we all know Frankenstein is the scientist
Dorian/jack switch would have been epic.
What could've/should've been
@@joshuajones7733 there is nothing to have the reverse callback to happen. Ie reintroduce the headless monks to complete this story
@@aaronjjacques oh yea, it's definitely still able to be done ... well, if John is ever invited back. So tired of this cancel culture bs, oh this thing happened 15 years but let's make a big deal about it now.
@@joshuajones7733 they brought him back in Jodie's run
@@aaronjjacques yup, the cancel culture tirade happened after that tho
The doctor having the snake tattoos and easy one the Corsair made him do it
Fun fact: Karloff never played Frankenstein.
NO, no, no, 😮😮😮😮you did not just say that Karloff played Frankenstein @ 8.20 did you?
Frankenstein was the Mad Scientist, not the Monster, played by Colin Clive in Karloffs movies.
I'm going to be pedantic here Karloff didn't play Frankenstein he played the Monster 🤪
Tardis as a name that they forced into an acronym sounds right. but more likeable than Marvel's Shield acronym, to be sure...
make it rich tea and ill take your challenge can't stand Jammie dodgers lolol great vid as well .
Watched almost the entire series through DVDs from the Saint Paul Public Library in the U.S.
9:56 "Did we miss anything? Let us know in the comments."
Nope, thats everything. There is nothing else to know about Doctor Who. You got it all. 🤣🤣🤣
I strongly believe that knowledge about the real life workings of a show is unrelated to fandom of that show. No, plenty of Doctor Who fans don't know these things, but that's because these facts are completely unrelated to the show itself, they relate to the cast and crew of this show. You could just as well make a list full of facts about quantum entanglement and your title would be just as correct. Kind of pointless as a list concept.
Daleks = Berserkers by Saberhagan, Doomsday Machine and Nomad from Star Trek, Terminators, and Cylons from Battlestar Galactica.
I subscribed I already liked Cher though thanks
Michael Jason is a gentleman, had a smoke with him in Glasgow.
The Scifi Cruise films. Actually, the police box was gone in 1970 and according to TardisWiki Jesus or one of the apostles was to appear in the Romans(but a crucifix can be seen in episode 4).
Wrong. The apostle did in fact appear, just not specifically named.
He is the figure that witnessed Barbara scolding the roman centurions for their behaviour with the people, and asks her to stay in Rome.
I actually own that story.
Karloff did not play Frankenstein. That was Colin Clive. The creature was called Adam in Mary Godwin's novel (she wrote the story, aged 19, years before she married Shelley). The Dr Who episode set in the Villa Diodati in the fateful year of 1816 got that right, forestalling an angry tweet to the BBC and writer.....
TV series were often transferred to radio back in the 60's, I remember Dad's Army especially, so it's surprising in hindsight that there wasn't a Dr Who radio show
But Susan literally said she came up with the name from the enitials for the Tardis
Susan was a child and could've easily lied
How about a jelly baby?
Thing #1 that people apparently don't know: it's only been going for *44* years. At least the canon TV version. 1989-2005 There was a 16 year gap where the only new _Who_ was that one Made for TV movie debuting 8.
These are crazy so glad we never seen Capt jack beheaded and how would that work he is immortal after all
The head would live on and he would become the Face of Boe.
Jack was blown up into pieces by a bomb. He can die, but won't stay dead for long. So it is possible to behead him and it is possible, that the head would continue to live, eventually mutate and grow into the Face of Boe.
Thanks for this. Very nice.
Anybody else notice that the dalek hand thingy looks like a plunger
Dalek: "LEWIS CROUSE KNOWS OUR SECRET! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!!"
Plungers look like the Dalek hand thingy, they came first.
Karloff played the MONSTER not Frankenstein. I call this a major error in presenting facts. Especially considering it's such a common mistake.
Naturally, The Doctor wouldn’t go to Bethlehem-Ephratha on December 25 to witness the birth of the Christ, because Jesus had been born two months prior. In fact, he, Mary and Joseph would have been on their way to, if not already in, exile in Egypt at that point. And the Doctor, being a time traveler, would know that.
John Pertwee - The kung fu Doctor of Dr Who💙
I like to think that TARDIS was just a one word name and that Susan then gave the individual letters their more familiar ACRONYM meaning we use today
I'd like to know where the 12th doctor's ring came from
A Good BOE Goes To War
I guess that answers one question I have. If the doctor were to get a tattoo and then regenerated would he keep the tattoo or not? Does it work on perusing? Do all body mods just go away?
New body, new skin and everything. The tattoo goes away
@@Timmymantwo Certain timelords had a marking or tattoo that they kept across each regeneration though. Matt Smith's doctor mentions one such timelord.
Dr who also deals in herbs n spices... after all he is the thyme lord 🙏 😉
Captain Jack Harkness is Matt smith confirmed
I have never done the research but my name is Stanley Nation. Terry must be related to me. You are welcome! :D
Top 10 unit members or top 10 doctor episodes
EPISODES or STORIES, NOT the same thing!!!!!!
please can you tell me are the any Stories where the doctor meets count dragular?
I'd have loved an episode where the Doctor meets Rob Zombie!
Never heard of count "dragular." But in "The Chase" he comes across Count Dracula -- except as it turns out (the Doctor and his companions never learn this) it was in a carnival funhouse of horrors.
Interesting you didn't mention the timeless child. Because it makes no sense. Now the master makes perfect sense.
Susan didn't invent the acronym T.A.R.D.I.S. She made up the name from the acronym. Why does everyone get this wrong? Go and re-watch Unearthly Child please.
Peter Cushing is not the TV Doctor! Why? Peter plays a human named Doctor Who. And Bernard Cribbins was in Dalek Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. He plays Donna's grandfather Wilfred Mott. ♥ ♥
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8:42 I wanna see this
I want every last one of you to watch the Star Trek episode ASSIGNMENT EARTH, and tell me that Gary 7 is not a Time Lord. I dare you.
Original James bond died on "the rock". And Jenna Coleman with I need make babies still.
John Barrowman is unavailable for decapitation. Well, at least Starz was good for something. (Personally I liked Miracle Day... Bringing it to the US not so much.)
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Did the Doctor nearly meet Jesus, or was Jesus the Doctor completing a Bootstrap Paradox?
Is there a way to watch all the original Doctor Who stuff legally without spending a bucketload on DVDs?
BBC Iplayer is the one I always use. Just need to set up an account and place in a postcode or make one up then click onto Doctor Who and it will ask if you have a TV license but all you need to do is click yes as they never check it then you can watch it from series 1 - 9th Doctor up till the latest episode.
@@MissMinecraftGirl Classic Doctor Who isn't there
@@qienna6677 Sorry, I didn't see that you wanted classic Doctor Who. I did used to go on a website a few years ago called Putlocker and another called 123 Movies. They used to have the classic Doctor Who on there but because I changed broadband, BT doesn't allow me access to the sites anymore.
In the UK we have britbox for £5.99 a month has classic who and Sarah Jane adventures
There's this concept known as "public library." You can legally borrow DVDs from there.
Susan didn't come up with the name TARDIS. big finish productions audio drama the Beginning shows the Canon departure of the doctor and we know it's Canon because before they are about to go into the TARDIS the doctor gets stopped by one of Clara's fragments as we saw in the episode name of the doctor. As to how we know Susan didn't invent the name TARDIS is because she's works out the name TARDIS from it's properties, time and relative dimension in space. So she thinks that's she's come up with it. When she calls the TARDIS a TARDIS the doctor says oh you know that name too? She says what are you talking about I just made it up? The doctor doesn't see a point in correcting her further. So later in an unearthly child when she says she came up with the name she only thinks she did.
CRAP ON. ,,Susan DID come up with the name. TARDIS which stands for,, time and relativity dementions in space. ,,,,, as she said it did. ,, 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@JOHNSMITH-vx5yz I feel like you're misunderstanding what I said. She only believes she came up with the name TARDIS. But the doctor knew it before Susan uses it. And we see quadriggers (TARDIS engineers) using the name TARDIS.
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Honestly, it's surprising that The Doctor hasn't gone to meet Jesus. I mean, I know why the BBC hasn't done buy the Doctor with his personally would have definitely gone to check that out
To describe what the tardis is the TARDIS is a multi-layered system the actual tardis when you were looking on the outside in is merely the gate and when you walk into the tardis you walking through the gate into a pocket dimension you have to have a pocket dimension in order to channel time because anything less and time would utterly obliterate any system then the computer that you grow is a biological computer the pillars are technically giant computer servers the rib cage pillar things the thing in the center is the actual power source and what you stand on the floor is basically a walled off part of the engine it's a biological encapsulated dimension with an entry exit point doorway to whatever point in time you want it to be.
Frankenstein's MONSTER =/= Frankenstein.
The current canon would seem to disagree with Susan creating the acronym TARDIS, as Jo Martin’s Fugitive Doctor called it the TARDIS as well (even expressing the Time And Relative Dimension In Space), and would obviously be pre-Susan. Unless of course it’s all Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey, and somehow Susan inceptioned it into Galifrey’s past so it’s always been TARDIS.
There’s a list of things that Chibnall ignored to make his Timeless Child fanfiction canon.
But it’s already a police box when she has it, so it has to be after “an unearthly child”, & after Susan, as that was when it got stuck like that.
From the dialogue from the master in the centenary special she’s most likely between Troughten & Pertwee; since that’s a gap that’s never explicitly touched on
@@wintyrqueen You’re forgetting that the first doctor stole the TARDIS from the shipyards as it was to be decommissioned. It’s most likely not the same TARDIS. The link it formed with the Doctor might have caused it to pull the Police Box appearance from his buried memories and use it permanently. That could also suggest that the memories of the erased Doctors are still in there, too.
@@christphern doesn’t change that the first time it turned into a police box was when it landed in Foreman’s junk yard
Jo Martins doctor is NOT pre Hartnell, shes between 2nd and 3rd
Boy have I got a Fan Theory for you. It might blow you're mind. Has anyone noticed that the actor for the Master in the movie bears a Resemblance to the Valiared from the Original series? I think the doctor will become the Valiard and that The Master is an even further in the future version of the Doctor. When The Master tells the Doctor about their past, is because he finally remembered it. MIND BLOWN!
jesus birth xmas makes no sense, but the existence of the man is mostly proven (is he god or not is a different story). i would watch that episode
ok
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Why?
@@GabePuratekuta that's the point idk
@@CyberCaed Of what? A random timestamp spammed without context?
My favorite part of the video
Captain Jack hardness
Wow, I didn't expected mentioning Ukrainian and Iraninan friends at the end of the video. Thank you!
Actually, Doctor Who ran for 54 years, ending before Peter Capaldi finished his regeneration
A book for any and allwhovians (fan of dr who) out there the whonivers it will set u back thirty five quid but Is well worth a read
The Doctor should really meet Jesus at one point. But not the religious depiction of him, please. That would piss off churches, but they are outdated anyway
I like in Red Dwarf Series 10 "Lemons" the dwarfers meet Jesus in 23AD and in true Red Dwarf style they blunder everything when its actually Jesus of Caesarea, not Jesus of Nazareth
I doubt the real Jesus would like the depiction of himself by them, anyway. Or that they made a religion about him at all.