What do you do when you run short on concrete on a 50 yard pour?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2021
- We made rookie mistake on this huge monolithic concrete slab. If you're not learning something every day you're not paying attention. Thats what I say. Enjoy the video guys.
Brother, if I asked my guys to come in at 4:30 I would get all kinds of looks.
Yup bud I got those looks believe me. 😂
3- 4am pours are very common here in Arizona. Get in before its 120 degrees but shit its still 90 at 4am lol
@@xXBuckOFiveXx I would not do well in that heat. 😩😩
@@xXBuckOFiveXx yeah do shot Crete. Start at 5:30 am
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I did an odds and ends pour at my house one time (pad for in front of front door, back door, door from garage and for my propane tanks) ended up about 3 shovel fills short on the propane tank pad. It was a Saturday. Me and my buddies were walking around the yard looking for rocks to throw in the concrete to make up for being short on Crete. Lucky for me where I live there’s no lack of rocks. All the pads turned out good. I wet cured them all using geotextile fabric and a sprinkler to keep them wet for a couple days.
Never let the home owner figure out the amount of crete you need !! I always double check !!
Yep I had this in the UK when a 20'x10' shed base was poured and the owner tried to blame me ! LOL
Definitely. Call for crete and you've prepped the site yourself? You're surely going to get a visit from me to verify, non negotiable! I've seen estimates 4, 6, 8 or more yards short before on the regular! There will almost always be a rather large difference in what they think they need verses what you will deliver to them post inspection. Unless you're a crete guy then it's best to let the crete guys do what they do for a living and you take over after they have left the site.
I enjoy the banter that you have with Big Biscuit , the more masons the more laughter, nice job!
Thanks Russel ya we had fun that day and got er done to boot. 👍👊
You guys made it look easy. Great video and good looking work!
Thanks for sharing all your hard earned experience .Gary....NJ
For what it's worth, I have been known to paint lines where I want each truck to reach. If each truck is a little short, that equals a little bit times five trucks - or maybe a lot. We call it rake the mud, and I don't screed any of the mud until the entire truck is raked into place (hitting the marks for the cold joints), then we can rake the mud thinner until we get the right coverage . I hate it when that happens, but it is better than raking the surface off of screeded or worse yet bullfloated mud.
It's tricky. Just looking, I would guess you needed less than 5 extra yards, but 5 yards = less than 3/16" thickness on a slab that big.. I have never seen a customer that can grade his pad closer than 3/16".
How many times that happens, its all relax and noboby is thinking too much assuming someone else is doing it.
Yep been there done than.
Big fan of the curing compound, lots of evidence to support this process especially in warmer weather.
Great approach and attitude.
Cheers from Oz
What I don't understand, is that why can't a concrete patio or garage floor, ever be perfectly flat and level with all of the tools of the trade?
This is a question in general, and not one directed toward you, or your very capable crew.
You guys do great work from what I see!!
Concrete is like a woman, mysterious and deep. Only two things sure about concrete is it'll get hard and it will crack. Unlike women their usually always soft but they like to bitch alot.
Time for some COLD ones .thank you for the video.
I helped a guy out with pouring some footings, I asked him how many yards it was, he told me about 20. the pour was small, I kept doing the math in my head, couldn't get the numbers to add up to 20 yards. then the forms were full and the second truck arrived... the guy figured the volume of the hole not the volume of the footings. he still had a few yards on the first truck.
Great video👍. Running out of concrete ( or ordering too much , with no place to dump it!) happens all the time. The key factor is how long the delay was. In this case it looks like the delay wasnt that long so the setting hadnt progressed so much so as to create a significant cold joint. Also its a slab on ground so the consequences are perhaps not too bad if there is indeed a cold joint. You probably had retarders in the mix which helps. For peace of mind what I have done in the past, after concrete had hardened at say, 28 days, was to drill a 75mm core through the slab where the cold joint might have formed ( avoiding rebar) and see if the core falls apart, jus drop it from height. Then refill the hole with non shrinking special grout.
Good video I love a whittman trowel . We just bought our first ride on trowel .
Awesome buddy. I never used a rider. 👍👊
Nice ,, good crew.
Thanks.
Here’s what we’re doing guys. The pour’s done and we’re drinking beer guys.
Happy July 4th to all my Bondo Buddies!
Nice job cool to see that many people working together and getting along lol
I pour concrete for a living and I’ve seen less guys on a 1200 yard pour (just saying)
Pro tip leave one side of the form open and drive the truck onto the pad. Use a mid range or high range water reducer makes it a lot easier to work with when the slump is higher.
Drive over the rebar chairs? No thanks n
I could done it with 4 people
@@omgnothingisavl the bricks they had holding up what little rebar was in there? How do you think they pour warehouse floors?
Most warehouses don’t have rebar in the slabs. By the loading docks they put some, or the one I did had it but that was because they were putting all kinds of heavy machinery on top of it (plastic extruders).
@@aorider1 we used boom pump truck pouring tank slabs
@@butchs2337 I used pump trucks every day, telebelt trucks are faster, and tailgating it off the truck is the fastest. Pull up blow it out and leave, the laser screed will take care of it. The company I work for does 1000+ yards a day coming out of only one plant. They have 8 plants and 5 more portables.
That’s awesome!! What happens if you didn’t slow the cutting? Why slow it?
Looks good
Happens all the time when you get a bunch of guys together Ron. Smoking and joking and telling lies. It's a good thing Jess wasn't there or nothing would have gotten done! Great save!
If that happened to me I would call Bondo!
Happy 4th of July!
Crainville block 5 yard calculated order was 5.5 and came up 1 full yard short. Never told it was a short load and Saturday delivery extra.
That totally blows from our side buddy.
That truck… beeping and beeping and beeping. I would have lost it lol
You don't even notice it after enough time.
Great videos! Couple questions for ya, How long do you typically have to wait to start power trowel? And do you typically only vibrate along the edges?
We vibrate the edges if it is monolithic with the thick edge. When you can step on slab and not sink in much and bleed water is gone then we power trowel it. That time depends on sun wind and temp and humidity.
Just curious what do you guys use for stone base?
That type of cure gets used by a lot of the old school guys in N.E. Ohio. It really is good stuff it fades in a few weeks. Not for color obviously. Where are you guys at?
been there before , est the concrete is hard for me as I am cheep and dont like to send any back so I try to have a little project to do We made a reusable form to build deck footings ( sona tubes with big foot base) so now we can order a yard or so extra
add air entrainment 7 percent get u 7% more volume air is almost free lol , glad to see u guys, no mesh police were hurt during this film hahahah
all good things happen, just cosmetic for now, will bond together, my expeince, temp not too hot??/
Have a safe 4th and enjoy. See if you had Jess on the job she would of knew, women know everything lol
When ordering concrete for a job that someone else prepped you need to pay attention a little more to the grade as well as the slab thickening around the edges...
Yup I agree. Those monolithic are hard to get the yardage correct
Get er done boys.
SIKI cure n seal is good to use Ronnie, especially if you are going to work on equipment in the pole barn, keeps everything clean , beautiful burn in bro !!
Would vibrating the portion of pad with the balance have helped blend the layers?
When you’re pouring slabs, is there some reason, you don’t pour self compacting cement made using slag cement?
probably a case of when you have multiple squads working together there's a lot of bosses but nobody in charge
Yup for sure. Lol
THE HEAD MF IN CHARGE IS THE ONES WHO CUTS URE PAY CHECK
@@keithcronk7980 Yup. Lol
4 inches thick 84 square foot is one yard of concrete when I order 50 yards I order 1 yard minimal more better to pay for extra then be short
This slab is a monolithic. Way harder to figure out than people think. I usually have extra but not always.
@@bondobuilt386 it shouldn’t be we form and pour them all the time in south Florida they are 12x24 footers been building homes scene 1975 how prices of materials and homes have changed good luck
@@bw6538 Yes it has changed. The homeowner formed this up. Grade wass all over the place. LOL
@@bondobuilt386 yes i know what you mean I’ve even had grass in them I had to dig out just before trucks showed up
not always your fault when you run short theres all sorts of variables at the plant too. weights and measures, moisture content of material scale calibration looks great love those early pours!
The plant is seldom wrong.SELDOM. You run short when you don’t keep your grade right or you miss fig
Nice pour just wish it was mine .
👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽🙏🏻 Enjoyed!
Nice job just the same. Bigger the job the bigger the risk.
Client did the math, so egg is on him. Even so not always easy to get it right on.
Where I live I live a minimum order is 5 yards now so the last truck needs to be a little short so you can make up for the difference on the five yard truck.
Looks to me man is hard to see but if you have it you’re 5050 yards right there and I can’t wait to your short 2 1/2 short short call and put three on the road nice job fellas
Thanks buddy 👍👊
I’ve hauled many loads of concrete. A good driver would’ve recognized his load wouldn’t cover what’s left. He’s well aware he’s the last truck. He should’ve communicated that with the finisher before unloading and this would’ve been prevented.
🤔 cold joint.. cracking later on the last bit maybe?
did you charge 1.00 per foot labor?
A little work witht he pan on the machine will keep that thing tight. I almost alway run them full and call a balance. Only on smooth finish.. Easy day. Alot of guys but i bet it was fun with everyone there.
Those monolithic slabs can be tricky that edge ears up concrete
Yes they are a pain to figure.
Think you got enough help whoa Maude
Yup more help is always better then not enough help.
So I guess being a 5 foot 7, 150 pound guy wouldn't cut it as a concrete worker, seems to help being a bit beefier than that working with some super heavy material.
My kid weighs 150 pounds he just beat out 300 soldiers in the army in a fitness test and a hike with a 75 pound pack came in first place they gave him a metal
@@richscott2952 that's very impressive, especially with a 75 pound backpack.
Gonna be a big ass grow shop lol.
Trucks typically only deliver 7 yards, not 10, correct?
A front loader can carry 10.
Get'r done
chris looks unhappy maybe he needs a beer11
Yup maybe. LOL
I was pouring a big garage slab on a Friday , I would need 2 trucks , I had my son order the concrete , I told him to have them send the first truck with ten yards and I would call for the finish up , both trucks show up at the same time , im fuming , my son and I are practically throwing punches at each other , second truck dumps his load and we are a half yard short at 5 o'clock on a Friday , my buddy starts calling every redi mix place in Milw. Finally getting a yard for $400 i was not a happy camler lol
Never pour Concrete on a Friday Afternoon thats like a Rule brother lol
Well..it's hard being a "camler" in and of itself...
I'm curious why you couldn't just have those 50lb bags of concrete mix on hand in case you were just a little short and mix up the last bit by hand?
white wax cure alot of city work requires it make sure you mix it good! sweep that slab off! lol
I know a pump can get expensive but why not pump this job and make it so one truck can start dumping concrete into the pump as soon as one is done
Guy pouring the mud looked a little lost 🤣
Yup. Lol 😂😂😂
A mason, does brick, block and stone. Concrete workers are concrete. Always double check someone's calculation if they don't do it for a living. Concrete aps are easily obtained online. Love those front dumpers, things go so much better. Short ... it happens but if that was for a homeowner not in concrete work they tend to short loads and calculating takes exp, not the D.I.Y. type who watch tv thinking it's a snap. Anytime beating the heat is concrete time, it is what it is.
Im a mason and a concerte worker then. 👍. This homeowner has experience with concrete pours he is an inspector. These mono slabs are hard to calculate.
@@bondobuilt386 Did some grunt work for a Italian Mason decades ago, the guy was incredible, so artistic but not everyone could afford his creations and style. He did the basics for the most part, we all have to eat. I enjoy various forms of creative art in the form of making things like metal work for concrete needs, rebar configurations / supports, precast inserts etc. Sometimes it's a nice break from busting your ass bent over mucking, etc. Got spinal stenosis inside the spinal canal, crazy crap so limited to other things but miss the hurry up and wait jobs having a beer between mud deliveries and good old hard work. We sure had our share of worthless kids try out but it's rare to just get one that will work because so many have hardly had a single chore growing up. What a friggin nightmare city kids can be . Take care of yourself guy, the bod doesn't hold up forever, work smarter not harder when possible and safe.
@@mikefinley4367 Thanks Mike. I appriciate the feedback buddy. This work can kick your butt sometimes. 👍😊
@@bondobuilt386 No doubt it can kick your ass at times and more often the older you get. I've done various aspects of construction, framing. concrete, finish work, plumbing ... Spring and Fall, are the best months for outdoor work unless you beat the heat of Summer. Being able to do finish carpentry in a bad winter is a plus but I've been on pours while it snowed like crazy and laughed. Oh yeah, we can get in there ... Dumbass ... Pulled the same driver out twice on the same pour. Not sure where you guys are but if winters are a problem you might look into doing precast in a shop, feed bunks, meter pits. monster blocks, all sorts of things. Make the forms and stay busy, better than unemployment.
@@bondobuilt386 p.s. ... Automatic rebar ties, don't have one guy bent over doing it all but switch on and off, don't wheel barrow what you can bobcat being a macho dumbass, work smart when possible and Not anyone should be standing around unless it's break time. Down to finishing ... Get that trailer loaded, leave the finishers with a truck and get to the next job. At 150 lbs it pissed me off to wheelbarrow concrete when a bobcat could be used or someone huge, three times my size and strength stood around smoking a joint or having a beer, I busted my ass to put up with commonly in concrete work as anal jackass types that want to give orders but not work. In my opinion I would rather work for less money with a great crew than more money for idiots. That applies to any job, for me it was never about top dollar. Concrete is hard work but much of it can be easier if those in charge actually work. One boss figured out I was best left alone and amazed what I accomplished. I laughed when a foremen opened his big mouth taking about how he and I prefer, set up a hrainhin pad and did it in your hours when a freeof six takes longer ... Uh yeah buddy, you suck as a foreman. I drove him crazy that day. He wanted me to just stand there as he graded and made the earthen pad. I don't get paid to stand there. Let's unload the trailer first so I can pack forms and things while you do that. Unreal.
Wait a minute concrete company with no hose. Wtf is that omg
Ok, so how the hell did truck #5 show up with all his chutes already on? He drove down the road like that?
Please. He stopped outside the work area and put the chutes on. Is it really that hard to figure out?
Our boss loves to order right to the stone so we have our fair share of shortages
Thats a pain. Lol
I used to work for/with a dude that would order short 9 times out of 10, the one time we'd have enough we would have to use every last rock.
@@ronaldwilkins6056 Thats such a pain and the slab never looks as good.
@@bondobuilt386
Sure is, it kills momentum for one...can't be real economical for the company paying the wages either.
@@ronaldwilkins6056 yes exactly. I try to order a bit extra 👍
What do you mean by balance coming?
the balance is the difference/shortage/delta needed to finish the pour
@@wim0104 ahh okay thanks!
Nobody can count to 5 “boys”.
We had our heads in our asses that day. LOL
Yes I’ve got a new Dura foundation basement and shop floor for that I need done in Phoenix New York would you be interested
Im pretty much booked for this year Scott. Unless you're talking next spring?
Yah let's drive on the customer's grass.
Concrete people will work that early in the morning ur crazy lol and dam you live not far from me lmao
Omg look at that power scretereverybody makes mistakes but thag rt there is exqctly why somebody gotta. Be the BOSS
God I nearly had a stroke reading that comment.
@@calebsmith95 how ya think i feel i’m the one typing it 😂 …
compact your CR2 and call Riccelli next time
The homeowner tamped everything. Problem with Riccelli is getting trucks back to back on time. They always over book themselves.
Move the forms back 😂
I guess you’re going to build a garage on the top I want to put six mill Polly vapour barrier down before I poured and if it’s a cold climate and put 2’ by 8’ sheets of blue board ins all the way around the perimeter of slab to prevent frost from cracking Ashlan and heaving the perimeter parts of the slab we are in Baltimore Maryland and they make us put blue board every slab on grade report I have it on my was it for 30 inches on the ground got up with vertical blueboard all around the yeah cure and seal is a good shit are usually in every garage door pole barn slab commercial/upper edge it’s good shit slow to cure down and she was at floor from salt damage outside of flooring an idea believe me I’m not breaking your balls guys did a great job looks good
Get more and vibrate it until it blends together
Yes for sure 👍
Yeah buddy
It’s not your fault if the owner done all this before you started that job for him it’s the owner mistake he was in control of his work which make me wonder did he do his wire and foundation work correctly
How many times do they say “Boys”?
LOL
The last driver in that situation is at fault.....not the tail out driver
Man get some plywood for the tires on the grass the hell
Those anchor bolts are gonna have concrete in the threads
No they were good.
Either way great job, I enjoyed the video.
that is why they make a wire brush :) or wire wheel on a grinder, the owner has to do something
@@butchs2337 👍
When your math is right and they don't deliver what you paid for
What do you do when you run short of concrete? Order back more.....
Yes we do. Just call and they send more.
Answer: Call your lawyer.
I never trust the grade work on the subgrade if I didn't do it. I go through and shoot the gravel with my laser and take an average. I then figure the concrete. If it takes more concrete it is on the person that graded the gravel. I know I won't run short on concrete.
These monolithic slabs are difficult to figure yardage.
Cold joint city.
Not to bad believe it or not.
Too bad the guy is going to have major water dripping from the lack of a vapor barrier.....
Sorry no judging but it’s funny I’m not use to seen people pour concrete in shorts
Somebody don't know how to order a balance
Well...they're waiting for you to make a training DVD...
@@buckhorncortez I already did. Co-starring your mom. Titled- once it's hard it's always hard
Nobody was reading the tickets, ja ja, how come the last truck did not tell you if you need more mud?
Not sure I guess we all dropped the ball that day. good learning though. Lol
@@bondobuilt386 We always do inspection on big pours, because some drivers go to the wrong job site with diferent mix, but good videos, good job
@@javiergarcia--- I can see that happening on a big job.
@@bondobuilt386 any way , you guys are doing a great job,
@@javiergarcia--- Thanks bud. 😊
4:30 is late in Houston in the summer. Try 12:30 AM pouring 1000 yards is a norm. We use concrete pump trucks and the concrete plant doesnt close till there is a job complete.
Thats some big jobs. I just do residential.
yeap, i am in Florida and live in a small town and when they large pour they bring in more trucks and get ready for the pour and we also used a concrete boom pump truck, the boom is remote controlled and the amount that comes out of the truck, we were building a sewer plant here in the Florida Keys
Love them jars place and finish get paid and go home
Me too 👍
Was a bit disappointed you didn't say "boys" another couple thousand times
Sorry to disappoint you boy. move along troll.
@@bondobuilt386 Hahaha lighten up Francis
@@Obscured1972 sorry buddy. 😊😁
Didn't the owner order the concrete?
The group pouring my foundation under ordered for my job. When they were twiddling their thumbs trying to figure out what to do I told them to get another load, or risk getting paid. Another truck showed within 15 minutes. As a homeowner wrangle those cats before they try to shortchange you.
And they act like it's not their fault, and they can't do anything about it, except charge you more for their mistake.
Yep. Dont give them the cash till it's done correctly. Period. Maybe half down for material or whatever but that's it.
You should have contracted it to Mike Day. He is a Master pouring dead flat 10in slump slabs.
Cause he uses water reducer. Concrete is just as structurally sound and strong. Dont try to bash him on here. He's a pro
@@smackflack5771 I'm sorry but that's funny. You should take his course😂 how many videos can he do on dead flat piss wet slabs. Oh yeah throw in the old ashlers slate😂 in California he would be considered a finishers helper.
@@felixperez5660 ur fucking crazy.
@@smackflack5771 maybe he can teach you how to epoxy a garage floor 😂 one day you can be a handyman also 💡
I wouldn't hire Mike Day to screw in a light bulb. I'm in Florida, and you could never get chute pours on dead flat slumps with piss wet concrete. That guy is a fraud and should be exposed for his "Concrete Underground". He's maybe a C level finisher in Florida, and he wouldn't last here. You actually need equipment to become anything in Florida.
no rebar strengh
There is rebar in the slab around the edges.
You call for cleanup
Thats a lot of worker for a 50 yards
Yup lol 👍
That’s easy...when you run out of concrete, you have your laborer go to the truck and get the concrete stretcher out of the glove box.
Yup they old concrete stretcher. It by my lumber stretcher in the truck. Lol
@@bondobuilt386 wow i remember that nice
@@butchs2337 ya buddy. Lol
ON-SITE @ 4:3O I tip my hat
Jess couldn't get up???
She took the summer off to spend with her kids.
@@bondobuilt386 she is a mom and does concrete on the side-Is she an angel. LOL. we don't have women like that in Michigan unless your North of US 10.
Won't that huge slab crack? I would have expected some control joints.
if you watch till the end you will see saw cuts that is the control joints
@@italRotty Thanks for watching the video to the end. 👍😊
Way to many guys standing around.
I ended up with a couple guys that came because there pour got canceled. better then not enough help.
Yea your right good job
@@edziuw638 Thanks buddy 👊
Id say I have never seen so many guys concentrated in such a small area, but I forgot, not everyone is from New England.
Ha ha. we had some extra help because a friends job got canceled so he helped us that day. 😊