Almost. Two Stroke Stuffing has had a longer run at his project so wins on sympathy alone, but absolutely with you that it'll be amazing to see this one fully fledged
Although this project is cool, there's no way you could know if it is actually the coolest, as there is 34 years of new video added to youtube daily. If you could watch the lot as of now it would take you 17.5 million years!
@@DktheWelderAmericans don't say solder like that (sounds more Australian) we say exactly how it's spelled we don't add extra i's to make aluminum aluminium...
Retractable training wheels. Automatically deploy at low speed and retract above say 8km/hr. This can be done with actuators and a basic flight controller. The flight controller also has a gyro so you can program the left training wheel to deploy if speed is low and lean is greater than a given angle.
@@LotharTheFellhanded I feel like training wheels would be somewhat defeating the principle concept that he is trying to achieve, this is why I feel a completely hidden gyro is a far better option for aesthetics, functionality, and maintaining project integrity
You built the battery box there's a fan on the inline battery that you received, you'll need to cut a hole for the fan on the pack, or you're going to have a lot of overheating issues battery overheating single cells then all cells
@@DktheWelder maybe try putting a wing on the back fulled with water that is hinged in the middle that holds water that can easily be draind as youll need to get the water amount right, put something like an actuator on it fixed to frame and wing with something like a non automatic circuit breaker that works both ways, has 2 contacts youll need it to have a small wheel so it can touch the ground moving it back and forth as bike leans. As the front goes up and down it will need to be the rear wheel in line with rear axle
That slow but inevitable fall over in the grass cracked me up bro Burt Munro would be so proud!! look like its getting where ya want it tho aye good sheit! i wonder where you could find some 360 degree ball rollers...but big enough to handle the road..
Good to see the progress on this build! The electric motor was a good option to go with on this one. I saw the people watching from the end of the street and I was saying don't fall over don't fall over 😂
Your problem with balance is the long wheelbase combined with low centre of gravity. The low CG means it has less distance to fall so Falls faster. A long wheelbase means it takes more time for the steering to move the CG back underneath you. Speeding up the steering ratio Will help . As word mounting the battery in the roof. Think about balancing a broom on your finger.
Aircraft style retractable landing gear, but that deploy out to the side and down. Gives a wide stance for stability and give a great excuse to design something wacky
Great project mate! I wonder if the steering is slow at low speed because of the long wheelbase. Now the motor is so much smaller I wonder if it and thr battery could be moved up either above the rear wheel so the wheel could be moved closer to the seat.
How about moving the tiny wheels to the outside of the body. This way, they'd have a wider stance to support the whole bike. You can hide these wheels with cowling and they'd look like ram air intakes for a stealth fighter engine. Moreover how about hooking up the front ride height mechanism to some sort of microcontroller that can raise the nose up automatically at a certain speed and lower it again on braking, leaving you to worry only about the steering and throttle.
hahah you make me laugh every time I see a video from this series! so much perseverance and yet disappointment every time at the end of the video. invested so much time and money and unfortunately it continues to fail every time! I think it's nice of you! I had stopped taking it a long time ago🤣🤣
3:31 You're Not Kidding! I have that same Makita 4 1/2" angle grinder, and it's been in use for 15-20 YEARS! [Heavily used in my autobody / fab shops!] Beyond Impressive! Now back to your build.. Man, this has been FUN to follow, and the new electric setup SHOULD be awesome! [Honestly, I think you're onto something going that route, and hopefully all works out in the long run] 16:47 If all else fails, you could always join up with Vince and Larry [the Crash Test Dummies] 😁 Killer Job, Keep it up, and Thanks For Sharing! 🤘 Sam -
I use mine on metal, tile and stone. I cut the guard parallel to the body just to keep from nicking my finger. I also wrap the body with hockey tape and made a little foot for the back so when I lay it down it doesn't roll and dig into the floir
I like petrol/diesel engines as well as the next man, but what worries me with prototypes is the fire risk, there is still a risk with electric motors but a lower percentage, so game on,
Have two gyro wheels mounted on the same axle. One spins all the time to give the stability at low speed the other spins up when you get moving. If it spins in the opposite direction the gyroscopic effects cancel. So then you have an on and off gyro, the second wheel will need to be braked to stop quick enough. The advantage here is you can stop a gyro wheel really quickly, starting it takes more time, this would provide quick gyro stability when you need it.
Needs more caster in the front wheel, the way a motorcycle balances is with weight transfer, when the front wheel turns, the bottom of the wheel actually moves outboard a little bit, causing the weight to transfer to the inside of the turn, thus causing the bike to lean inwards.
That exit hatch.. hope that you don’t fall over and hit something that obstructs you from opening the hatch.. Maybe think of some construction that will let you disconnect the hinges.
I agree with your choice of an electric motor, far less likely to attract unwanted attention from neighborhood Karens. I would think that a landing gear solution similar to other designs would be the path to low speed stability. Thanks again for producing these videos.
need some sort of sensors with computer that can modulate the steering / throttle at low speeds so essentially if you come to a stop it can balance on just the front wheel maybe with torque applied to the backwheel if necessary. need pitch / yaw and all the above its lateral forward momentum and side to side, essentially just a gyro maybe but you could definitely do it with just sensors and motors.
For some reason I'm my mind the Bat bike in the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, sounds very similar to this electric motor. Maybe I'm way f**k'n wrong there but for some reason I remember it having that electric motor sound. Man I'm hooked on watching your videos on building this bike😂😂 I have had a s**t ton of fun watching these. You have an incredible skill set and do really great work. Thanks for the fun.
Power steering could be good, (ambitious though), but also i wonder if you could make the tires also tilt (kinda like on those smaller tractors if you've seen em) thataway you could kinda swing it back into balance? Not sure but this really is awesome tho!
hardly a fail mate, that was a great shake down run all things considered. I reckon that once you get used to the balance a bit and tweak the turning circle, it will be more manageable. This is a sick build!
Can u use heavy duty bonnet struts, very light shocks or something similar with a sacrificial pad on the bottom to drag the ground. Sort of like your outrigger leg design but sticking out 90degree? As u lean over it offers more and more resistance. You could probably use a gps to electrically acuate them, say over 10km a hour have them retract flat against the side of the bike. Then once u reach slower than 10km they fold back out. Or even just push button. Thinking similar to a standard car suspension but instead of the whole knuckle assembly have a slider plate. (Or a little wheel) something to contact the ground and transfer the weight back into the shock.
Cool design. Maybe build support wheels that is furter out from the frame. Can hide them with custom wheel fenders, Like an old Citroën. Or just make a frame / plattform on both sides of the bike and then hide the wheels under. And on the top of the plattform you can have custom lugage boxes. Just for hiding the support wheels. Can Even hide the support wheels with smal fighterjet wings on the sides. Just some ideas. Nice bike you have made 🤠
The problem with gyros on bikes is they can fight you at speed, they work great at lower speeds bc the wheels can't stabilize but once they do generate stability the forces can make it hard to steer, it's why Honda and Yamaha made a self balancing bikes using robotics instead. I think to use a gyro you'd need to tune it to assist more or less depending on speed or tilt angle. Also I can't see in the video that well but don't forget you have normal steering at low speed but motorcycle steering at speed (reversed), and frame sliders might help keep it pretty for thumbnails lol can't wait to see where this goes 👍
Love it! I've no idea what I'm talking about, of course, but here goes anyway - could you make the whole thing shorter now that the engine is gone? And since your feet are not really in use and since you'd use your feet to balance on a normal bike could you rig up some (hydraulic?) stands/rollers to foot pedals? Might be a bit more intuitive and quicker to use... Don't give up!!!
Am I the only one who cracked up whenever it kieled over whilst attempting low speed turns?😅 Good to see you going in a fresh direction with this project. Perhaps for the balance issue you could try to use the battery as a movable weight. Have it swing transversely, on a longitudinal axis, driven by another electric motor, controlled by an RC model gyro. You also could experiment with a way to automatically switch it off, and lock into a neutral position at higher speeds, maybe with Arduino? Anyway it's just an idea to consider, I don't know exactly if it is even possible. Whatever the solution you end up using, I can't wait for the next video!👍
You are awesome. Love what you do all the time. You need some sort of speed sensor or something that pushes the inner wheels down using suspension. This will stop the jarring that is breaking ur stuff. And not Punch into the ground but Push as gently and as strong as you set the suspension. If you can use some art, when you turn, that will also guide the inner suspended wheel to pull up to help get you around the corner without having the whole weight of the bike down on that wheel. It curves under neath you... When you drive slow, the kit lowers down, when you speed up, the extra wheels move up and maybe increase the clearance a bit further up to help with faster speeds... You asked for ideas.... my 2 cents worth.
If you put the engine INSIDE the wheel, you could have two wheel steering when you've install the gyro, giving you a useable steering circle, it doesn't need to be much of an angle to greatly increase the potential, and you could possibly even 'crab' sideways as well. You could have a stabiliser which pushes down when you reach a certain angle on either side.
Use casters instead of fixed wheels for leveling or use Mecanum Wheels if you can afford them or get someone to print them. Japan and china have recumbent motorcycles (Akira). Maybe you can get a salvaged frame and modify it to fit the larger wheels you have?
I think part of it is the square wheel, it needs more of a taper on the endges so when you're at slow speeds you don't have good stability, then you when you lean a bit too far you lean fast. I don't like square tires on motorbikes at all due to this- they're easier to balance at a stop and they're very stable in a straight line but I just hate how they handle during turns.
A stabiliser on each side would make it perfect & maybe stop it falling over as much like the 1s you see on some kind of motorbike that has a cab over the driver not sure what they're called
@DktheWelder to make your system more stable you should have completely flat wheels and front and rear wheel steering you can have the sway part built into the bike itself and the wheels always stay flat and connected to the ground.
the raise lower might be due to voltage, but it may be because the 18650 cells that are inside those drill packs are high drain which means they don't really mind dumping all of their power very quickly. that might be why you're able to dump shed loads of power into that motor nice and quick.
Look towards the losi RC dirtbike that was just released for ideas. The way their gyro works, the short arms with wheels to prevent fall over and allow it to get back rolling again. You could even have the outrigger wheels on actuators to pop out when under 10mph. I believe the gyro car also used a similar outrigger setup.
The thing with the rc dirt bikes is the gyro weighs more than the whole bike that’s why it works . I will check it out thanks haven’t seen that bike you are talking about sounds interesting
@@DktheWelder this one is different. The gyro isn't that heavy. It's pretty small compared to the rest of the cycle. And it was the 1967 gyro car that was using the pop out riggers.
never fail to get a belly laugh, brilliant! looking forward to the improvement to the bike. giro might be the only solution to low speed stability, if you ruled out castor wheels that auto lower at low speeds. as far turning circle perhaps reduce its length, possible now with the electric motor.
Cool project. Just random crazy idea, maybe use nee mid stabilization wheels to lift back wheel and to turn around quick if u cant take the corner or park in and out.
Dude dual front wheels could be something to think about maybe? They a bit goofy lookin but i recon u could make em look cool, just an idea after i saw one on the road the other day (not sure what it was but loked like this - Yamaha Niken) Probs a lot of work i know.
The gyro seems like the ideal solution - but having it right behind your head seems utterly terrifying, and getting it to work seems like it should be a nightmare. What about a 'Carver' type system? Something that can 'lean' the bike properly for corners? Or would adding some rear-wheel steering maybe help? Seems like a shame to waste all that extra space in the back there.
What if you make the body a bit wider so it won't fall over as easily. And also get the gyro working. So then you won't have stability issues. But great work man, I wish I can do stuff like this.
A gyro at low speed would probably solve your stability issues. Pair that with an arduino micro computer, and sensors to lower or turn off the gryo when you get up to speed, and vice versa. Fine tuning would be an experiment in itself. Good luck. You have a great prototype going.
I'd try pop out tricycle style wheels for low speeds like air plane landing gear, on electric or hydraulics that go straight out from the bottom behind the seat down low by the lower part of the frame that poke out sideways only to catch you like a foot on a motorcycle at speed stays up, a gyro is unnecessary because of the low center of gravity, it will act like a motorcycle, wide stong braces that catch you at slow speed like training wheels would work great, mount brace from bike just over the center of gravity or just under by a few inch
I believe a gyro would work... check out some of the videos on here about monorail trains and one wheel gyros and stuff like that... you'll find that with the right gyro they can actually achieve balance within micro seconds which could get a little bit pricey but maybe ask for some sponsorship, I don't think there is anything else like your project out there so you might have a decent opportunity to get some $
@@DktheWelder yea I honestly feel like if you get the appropriate gyroscopic solution dialed in that you will solve all of your issues let alone you can completely hide the gyro in the space where the engine used to be like you said which would be far more aesthetically pleasing than big training wheels operating like landing gear which to be honest is also somewhat contradictory to your original goal...
Don't forget that the wider the tyres, the more you have to lean to turn, the length isn't helping with that either. the low rearward CoG isn't making it very responsive to turning as well. I think you'll have to send it until it does balance, find a disused runway? Gyro should be last thing as that'll only help with sub 10kmh speeds
Try that gyro that balances the train on one rail in as larger scale as you can and give up on leaning into corners at low speed hopefully it may even balance sitting still.
With the BMS its got a fan so in ya battery box ya will have to drill a hole in it for air flow or the MOSFETs will burn out and the ESC just keep checkin the temp as ya use it incase it gets hot MOSFETs have a thing in the datasheet called TJmax which is the thermal juction of the silicon inside it and they dont long to get hot if ya not careful
Also see if maybe you can collab with one of these engineering guys that could use sensor for speed that would trigger your gyro on and off? Or perhaps you could figure out a way to do it a bit more analog using % of throttle input + a relay or thru your speed controller directly? Another thing to look at is a rc flight controllers and maybe integrate that..they have ways to maintain level flight and can be automated even. Only slightly know what I’m talking about. Lol
This is a rough problem. Firstly, I am no engineer so feel free to ignore everything I say. In looking at it, I wonder what it would look like with 2 sets of 2 much thinner tandem wheels at the front and back with independent adjustable heights. It might give the illusion of only having two wheels but provide the stability of 4? It would be neat if you used polycarbonate instead of metal to attach the central hubs to so that it looks like the hub is floating and if you attached mirrors cut to the shape of the polycarbonate on the inside, it would look totally invisible.
I still believe you can make it work. Dump that single rear wheel, get two half width wheels, make swing arms in the center line and make it a leaning delta-trike.🤓
You're having balance issues because of your long wheelbase and low center of gravity. When you turn, it takes longer to shift your center of mass. (I've been building these bikes for 20+ years)
If you use a gyro that really works then the bike won't lean at all, even in cornering or standing still. But it would have to be a really good gyro. Is that what you are wanting? If you keep the stabiliser wheels at the front, maybe they could be outside the frame, in pods, and linked to the steering so they turn with the front wheel. Stabiliser wheels at the rear might work better as there is no suspension movement at the rear and on a flat surface they will keep the bike dead upright. But you would have to make them retractable, like the monoracer.. and this kind of negates the principle of your build.
@@chats5957 Doesn't even need to be terribly smart. He said the bike runs fine once it is up to speed. So basically make it deploy/retract based on the speed and that should be it. Little bit of Arduino magic should do it.
I'm not sure how to do it at the Mo, but you are saying under say 5mph you need the stability of a four wheel , and above 5 mph the wheels, the two stabilizing wheels will be automatically lifted saving you worry about them, MMMM let me think, you have done most of that before , something rad is needed. but what, snowmobile tracks with electric lifting and lowering device, I've got a headache now so I'm going for a drink, lol
Yeah, I'm done after that comment about the motorcycle grip pin. This is a young mans response to a miner task. Fabrication is full of little thing that stand in your way. If you're bothered by that, it's time to take a break and come back with a better attitude.
Lots of potential in your project, very ambitious switching from ICE to EV, I believe an electric vehicle is easier to sort out and more enjoyable to ride.
So you mentioned that you like the gasoline engine but it's loud, shifting gears is a bit of a pain. If you consider a reconversion back to gasoline consider the Honda DTC 700 engine fully automatic. We can get them here in the US used for under $500. And the gyro thing does work but I find it funny that after decades of messing with it no one has really figured it out. 😆 It really isn't hard, but I think you may figure it out. I'll be watching 😊
Reliable engines are pretty expensive in New Zealand as we are so far away from the rest of the world. As for the gyro they have to be really heavy to work well which causes a lot more problems. Also the creep is another problem!
@@DktheWelder I do like the idea of electric drive. Not to mention the reverse ability. As far as the gyro, yes it does have to be fairly heavy. About 40lbs each. The procession issue is solved by counter rotation, and countering the procession with the second gyro. The gear system you made tying the two together is what you need to prevent the procession from entering the vehicle. You will find you need a spring on each end to reverse the precession. There is one additional component needed to make it practical to drive. I'm not going to give that information, but I do think you may be the one person who can figure it out. I will say it's very simple. LOL people have been trying to figure it out for decades 😳🤬😳😅🤣🤣😅😆 good luck 👍
When I was racing bikes, I remember a word being used about the angles of the yokes.. the "rake".. I'm still not entirely sure what that means but it was apparently important. Intuitively, it feels to me that the rake on this one is totally wrong.. perhaps because it's flat? I think it needs to dip up and over at least.. if you know what i mean, so that it behaves ultimately more like a bike with a slightly higher centre of mass across the wheel axis... I wish I could explain it better.. but basically, you might even want to put it up and over the front wheel (so that when you are braking, the bike actually moves up a bit) kinda thing.. meh.. something like that for sure though.. :/
There is a ball joint that is adjustable so I can change it to any rake I want and it moves parallel as it moves through the suspension travel , I really need time to get everything fine tuned hopefully I can get it working better
Ive never wanted to see a project work more badly than this one.
Amen!
Almost. Two Stroke Stuffing has had a longer run at his project so wins on sympathy alone, but absolutely with you that it'll be amazing to see this one fully fledged
i've never seen a project work more badly than this one
I reckon this is the coolest project on RUclips currently. You deserve a big shed sponsor and the build would be awesome to watch dude. Great job!
Haha thanks it would speed things up !
@@DktheWelder I’m sure Elon would be happy to help out 😉
Although this project is cool, there's no way you could know if it is actually the coolest, as there is 34 years of new video added to youtube daily. If you could watch the lot as of now it would take you 17.5 million years!
@@waynoswaynos I bet you’re fun at parties 🥳
@@DktheWelderAmericans don't say solder like that (sounds more Australian) we say exactly how it's spelled we don't add extra i's to make aluminum aluminium...
Retractable training wheels. Automatically deploy at low speed and retract above say 8km/hr.
This can be done with actuators and a basic flight controller. The flight controller also has a gyro so you can program the left training wheel to deploy if speed is low and lean is greater than a given angle.
I agree. Large external ones. It will look like ass now but you can put a fiberglass aero body kit on it for them to fold into.
@@LotharTheFellhanded I feel like training wheels would be somewhat defeating the principle concept that he is trying to achieve, this is why I feel a completely hidden gyro is a far better option for aesthetics, functionality, and maintaining project integrity
I do not know what to say. But i'm hooked whith this build. Really. You need a sponsor. Awesome work
You built the battery box there's a fan on the inline battery that you received, you'll need to cut a hole for the fan on the pack, or you're going to have a lot of overheating issues battery overheating single cells then all cells
Ok thanks that is a good idea , I could put like a duct to it . I haven’t even gone like 30% throttle yet I was worried it would get hot
@@DktheWelder maybe try putting a wing on the back fulled with water that is hinged in the middle that holds water that can easily be draind as youll need to get the water amount right, put something like an actuator on it fixed to frame and wing with something like a non automatic circuit breaker that works both ways, has 2 contacts youll need it to have a small wheel so it can touch the ground moving it back and forth as bike leans. As the front goes up and down it will need to be the rear wheel in line with rear axle
I absolutely love you attitude and approach to this project!! looking forward to the next video already!!
Thanks for the nice comment 👍
That slow but inevitable fall over in the grass cracked me up bro Burt Munro would be so proud!! look like its getting where ya want it tho aye good sheit! i wonder where you could find some 360 degree ball rollers...but big enough to handle the road..
Haha , I could balance it till about walking speed then just fall . I have been looking for 360 wheels
Good to see the progress on this build! The electric motor was a good option to go with on this one. I saw the people watching from the end of the street and I was saying don't fall over don't fall over 😂
Haha the electric motor was supposed to make less people watch me on the road but they still saw me falling haha
Nice work Dan. It's come a long way and is working better than ever. Looks good in silver. Definitely the best build on RUclips at the moment👍
Thanks 👍
Your problem with balance is the long wheelbase combined with low centre of gravity. The low CG means it has less distance to fall so Falls faster. A long wheelbase means it takes more time for the steering to move the CG back underneath you. Speeding up the steering ratio Will help . As word mounting the battery in the roof. Think about balancing a broom on your finger.
This is the reason why you stand up when riding a dirt bike, the higher your center of gravity the more you resist the torque to "fall over"
Great thinking right there
Cool build but you're gonna need to modify that battery box, that BMS absolutely needs airflow through that fan.
DK this is really high quality content, you are my favorite creator on the platform right now. Keep up the great work!
This project is all kinds of badass and it's fantastic watching it come to life. Very well done so far!
Aircraft style retractable landing gear, but that deploy out to the side and down. Gives a wide stance for stability and give a great excuse to design something wacky
Exactly as I thought and commented
Him falling over had me pissing myself! 😂😎🤘 keep up the good fight mate!
you'll get heaps more low speed stability by having those small wheels further back, near the battery. then they wont scrub as much.
Great project mate! I wonder if the steering is slow at low speed because of the long wheelbase. Now the motor is so much smaller I wonder if it and thr battery could be moved up either above the rear wheel so the wheel could be moved closer to the seat.
Just like on kid's bikes, the training wheels need to be by the rear axle. Then you can get support and turn at the same time.
How about moving the tiny wheels to the outside of the body. This way, they'd have a wider stance to support the whole bike. You can hide these wheels with cowling and they'd look like ram air intakes for a stealth fighter engine. Moreover how about hooking up the front ride height mechanism to some sort of microcontroller that can raise the nose up automatically at a certain speed and lower it again on braking, leaving you to worry only about the steering and throttle.
hahah you make me laugh every time I see a video from this series! so much perseverance and yet disappointment every time at the end of the video. invested so much time and money and unfortunately it continues to fail every time! I think it's nice of you! I had stopped taking it a long time ago🤣🤣
I love how you keep pushing the limited.
3:31 You're Not Kidding! I have that same Makita 4 1/2" angle grinder,
and it's been in use for 15-20 YEARS! [Heavily used in my autobody / fab shops!] Beyond Impressive!
Now back to your build.. Man, this has been FUN to follow, and the new electric setup SHOULD be awesome!
[Honestly, I think you're onto something going that route, and hopefully all works out in the long run]
16:47 If all else fails, you could always join up with Vince and Larry [the Crash Test Dummies] 😁
Killer Job, Keep it up, and Thanks For Sharing!
🤘
Sam -
Thanks for than nice comment 👍
@@DktheWelder Most welcome and well deserved! 👍
Love your projects you do some cool stuff I can't wait to see the bike working well all the things you have tried and not given up on it is inspiring
I use mine on metal, tile and stone. I cut the guard parallel to the body just to keep from nicking my finger. I also wrap the body with hockey tape and made a little foot for the back so when I lay it down it doesn't roll and dig into the floir
Those sound like some great mods! I always drop mine off the table and break the discs which is annoying
I like petrol/diesel engines as well as the next man, but what worries me with prototypes is the fire risk, there is still a risk with electric motors but a lower percentage, so game on,
Have two gyro wheels mounted on the same axle. One spins all the time to give the stability at low speed the other spins up when you get moving. If it spins in the opposite direction the gyroscopic effects cancel. So then you have an on and off gyro, the second wheel will need to be braked to stop quick enough. The advantage here is you can stop a gyro wheel really quickly, starting it takes more time, this would provide quick gyro stability when you need it.
😂 wicked mate. Love seeing your projects
Thanks 👍
Might sound silly but what about small support wheels on hydraulic rams under the bike that extend to the ground below a certain speed
Needs more caster in the front wheel, the way a motorcycle balances is with weight transfer, when the front wheel turns, the bottom of the wheel actually moves outboard a little bit, causing the weight to transfer to the inside of the turn, thus causing the bike to lean inwards.
That exit hatch.. hope that you don’t fall over and hit something that obstructs you from opening the hatch..
Maybe think of some construction that will let you disconnect the hinges.
Friggin awesome content dude.. hang in there.. its an awesome project..
I agree with your choice of an electric motor, far less likely to attract unwanted attention from neighborhood Karens. I would think that a landing gear solution similar to other designs would be the path to low speed stability. Thanks again for producing these videos.
need some sort of sensors with computer that can modulate the steering / throttle at low speeds so essentially if you come to a stop it can balance on just the front wheel maybe with torque applied to the backwheel if necessary. need pitch / yaw and all the above its lateral forward momentum and side to side, essentially just a gyro maybe but you could definitely do it with just sensors and motors.
For some reason I'm my mind the Bat bike in the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, sounds very similar to this electric motor. Maybe I'm way f**k'n wrong there but for some reason I remember it having that electric motor sound. Man I'm hooked on watching your videos on building this bike😂😂 I have had a s**t ton of fun watching these. You have an incredible skill set and do really great work. Thanks for the fun.
Absolutely love this project, going to get myself a grinder now.
Haha everyone needs one
Haha I sure burn through grinders with all the "welding" I do 😂
@@PatonMachines all my best welds are done with a grinder haha
Love it! Thank you for sharing!
Yeeea boi :) You belong in the SI! lol. Damn that must stunk sanding that foam...
It looks soo cool. It's a pity it doesn't work as good as it looks. A real challenge.
Power steering could be good, (ambitious though), but also i wonder if you could make the tires also tilt (kinda like on those smaller tractors if you've seen em) thataway you could kinda swing it back into balance? Not sure but this really is awesome tho!
hardly a fail mate, that was a great shake down run all things considered. I reckon that once you get used to the balance a bit and tweak the turning circle, it will be more manageable. This is a sick build!
Can u use heavy duty bonnet struts, very light shocks or something similar with a sacrificial pad on the bottom to drag the ground. Sort of like your outrigger leg design but sticking out 90degree?
As u lean over it offers more and more resistance.
You could probably use a gps to electrically acuate them, say over 10km a hour have them retract flat against the side of the bike. Then once u reach slower than 10km they fold back out. Or even just push button.
Thinking similar to a standard car suspension but instead of the whole knuckle assembly have a slider plate. (Or a little wheel) something to contact the ground and transfer the weight back into the shock.
Cool design. Maybe build support wheels that is furter out from the frame. Can hide them with custom wheel fenders, Like an old Citroën. Or just make a frame / plattform on both sides of the bike and then hide the wheels under. And on the top of the plattform you can have custom lugage boxes. Just for hiding the support wheels. Can Even hide the support wheels with smal fighterjet wings on the sides. Just some ideas. Nice bike you have made 🤠
The problem with gyros on bikes is they can fight you at speed, they work great at lower speeds bc the wheels can't stabilize but once they do generate stability the forces can make it hard to steer, it's why Honda and Yamaha made a self balancing bikes using robotics instead. I think to use a gyro you'd need to tune it to assist more or less depending on speed or tilt angle. Also I can't see in the video that well but don't forget you have normal steering at low speed but motorcycle steering at speed (reversed), and frame sliders might help keep it pretty for thumbnails lol can't wait to see where this goes 👍
I was thinking the same thing once moving at speed the gyroscope would need to be passive otherwise leaning into turns wouldn’t work well
Love it!
I've no idea what I'm talking about, of course, but here goes anyway - could you make the whole thing shorter now that the engine is gone?
And since your feet are not really in use and since you'd use your feet to balance on a normal bike could you rig up some (hydraulic?) stands/rollers to foot pedals? Might be a bit more intuitive and quicker to use...
Don't give up!!!
Am I the only one who cracked up whenever it kieled over whilst attempting low speed turns?😅
Good to see you going in a fresh direction with this project.
Perhaps for the balance issue you could try to use the battery as a movable weight. Have it swing transversely, on a longitudinal axis, driven by another electric motor, controlled by an RC model gyro.
You also could experiment with a way to automatically switch it off, and lock into a neutral position at higher speeds, maybe with Arduino?
Anyway it's just an idea to consider, I don't know exactly if it is even possible.
Whatever the solution you end up using, I can't wait for the next video!👍
No worries of gas or oil spilling when you roll it over now! Cool battery/motor combo, lots of room for a gyro now!
Yea keen for this bro! 😎
You are awesome.
Love what you do all the time.
You need some sort of speed sensor or something that pushes the inner wheels down using suspension. This will stop the jarring that is breaking ur stuff. And not Punch into the ground but Push as gently and as strong as you set the suspension. If you can use some art, when you turn, that will also guide the inner suspended wheel to pull up to help get you around the corner without having the whole weight of the bike down on that wheel. It curves under neath you...
When you drive slow, the kit lowers down, when you speed up, the extra wheels move up and maybe increase the clearance a bit further up to help with faster speeds...
You asked for ideas.... my 2 cents worth.
Thanks for that , something to think about
If you put the engine INSIDE the wheel, you could have two wheel steering when you've install the gyro, giving you a useable steering circle, it doesn't need to be much of an angle to greatly increase the potential, and you could possibly even 'crab' sideways as well.
You could have a stabiliser which pushes down when you reach a certain angle on either side.
Use casters instead of fixed wheels for leveling or use Mecanum Wheels if you can afford them or get someone to print them. Japan and china have recumbent motorcycles (Akira). Maybe you can get a salvaged frame and modify it to fit the larger wheels you have?
I think part of it is the square wheel, it needs more of a taper on the endges so when you're at slow speeds you don't have good stability, then you when you lean a bit too far you lean fast. I don't like square tires on motorbikes at all due to this- they're easier to balance at a stop and they're very stable in a straight line but I just hate how they handle during turns.
A stabiliser on each side would make it perfect & maybe stop it falling over as much like the 1s you see on some kind of motorbike that has a cab over the driver not sure what they're called
@DktheWelder to make your system more stable you should have completely flat wheels and front and rear wheel steering you can have the sway part built into the bike itself and the wheels always stay flat and connected to the ground.
How about hinging the side panels at the top, and holding the bottom in with bungee, so you can stick your feet out for balance?
the raise lower might be due to voltage, but it may be because the 18650 cells that are inside those drill packs are high drain which means they don't really mind dumping all of their power very quickly. that might be why you're able to dump shed loads of power into that motor nice and quick.
Still making "I identify as" jokes in '24 lol woo
I love it
I wonder how a front end off one of those 3 wheel Cushman vehicles would serve you 🤔 just an idea, love the channel, cheers!
Hey man,would some tough as dolly style wheels work for the low speed manoeuvres.
Look towards the losi RC dirtbike that was just released for ideas. The way their gyro works, the short arms with wheels to prevent fall over and allow it to get back rolling again. You could even have the outrigger wheels on actuators to pop out when under 10mph. I believe the gyro car also used a similar outrigger setup.
The thing with the rc dirt bikes is the gyro weighs more than the whole bike that’s why it works . I will check it out thanks haven’t seen that bike you are talking about sounds interesting
@@DktheWelder this one is different. The gyro isn't that heavy. It's pretty small compared to the rest of the cycle. And it was the 1967 gyro car that was using the pop out riggers.
never fail to get a belly laugh, brilliant! looking forward to the improvement to the bike. giro might be the only solution to low speed stability, if you ruled out castor wheels that auto lower at low speeds. as far turning circle perhaps reduce its length, possible now with the electric motor.
Thanks, shortening the frame would help a lot but for now it will either be a gyroscopic or another idea I have
Cool project.
Just random crazy idea, maybe use nee mid stabilization wheels to lift back wheel and to turn around quick if u cant take the corner or park in and out.
I did try something like that a while back but might be worth another try
Love you brother you're doing a good job 💯👍
Thanks 👍
Dude dual front wheels could be something to think about maybe? They a bit goofy lookin but i recon u could make em look cool, just an idea after i saw one on the road the other day (not sure what it was but loked like this - Yamaha Niken) Probs a lot of work i know.
What if you use a wider front wheel so the bike will fall over less?
PIVOT. The Front wheel needs to pivot into the turn instead of turning parallel to the ground
CyberJank.
love the ev conversion though, much better for this build.
You need side wheels dropping down at low speed, monoracer style.
Do you still have gyros on it ?
The gyro seems like the ideal solution - but having it right behind your head seems utterly terrifying, and getting it to work seems like it should be a nightmare. What about a 'Carver' type system? Something that can 'lean' the bike properly for corners? Or would adding some rear-wheel steering maybe help? Seems like a shame to waste all that extra space in the back there.
What if you make the body a bit wider so it won't fall over as easily. And also get the gyro working. So then you won't have stability issues. But great work man, I wish I can do stuff like this.
A gyro at low speed would probably solve your stability issues. Pair that with an arduino micro computer, and sensors to lower or turn off the gryo when you get up to speed, and vice versa. Fine tuning would be an experiment in itself. Good luck. You have a great prototype going.
Rounder back tire, it will lean better and be more forgiving b4 falling over
How to fix the balance is simple keep putting in gyros, and if that doesn't work, put more in
I'd try pop out tricycle style wheels for low speeds like air plane landing gear, on electric or hydraulics that go straight out from the bottom behind the seat down low by the lower part of the frame that poke out sideways only to catch you like a foot on a motorcycle at speed stays up, a gyro is unnecessary because of the low center of gravity, it will act like a motorcycle, wide stong braces that catch you at slow speed like training wheels would work great, mount brace from bike just over the center of gravity or just under by a few inch
I believe a gyro would work... check out some of the videos on here about monorail trains and one wheel gyros and stuff like that... you'll find that with the right gyro they can actually achieve balance within micro seconds which could get a little bit pricey but maybe ask for some sponsorship, I don't think there is anything else like your project out there so you might have a decent opportunity to get some $
I have some ideas based on gyroscopes, James Bruton has a lot of good videos on gyroscopes
@@DktheWelder yea I honestly feel like if you get the appropriate gyroscopic solution dialed in that you will solve all of your issues let alone you can completely hide the gyro in the space where the engine used to be like you said which would be far more aesthetically pleasing than big training wheels operating like landing gear which to be honest is also somewhat contradictory to your original goal...
I wish i could show you my trike project. It's similar to yours fully enclosed AWD 72v 2000watts at each wheel and a mid drive powering the chain
Hi , it's there an upgraded video ? Id like to see how this evolutions. Really great channel. Regards from Argentina
I’m working on it at the moment, still struggling but want to get it working for the next video
@@DktheWelder I can't imagine how difficult is the stability on that machine. Congratulations for your effort. That should be an insane amount of work
Don't forget that the wider the tyres, the more you have to lean to turn, the length isn't helping with that either. the low rearward CoG isn't making it very responsive to turning as well. I think you'll have to send it until it does balance, find a disused runway? Gyro should be last thing as that'll only help with sub 10kmh speeds
Yes it worked fine above even 5kph . The length and wide tire doesn’t help at all haha gyroscopic balance might be the way forward
What about a wheel setup similar to the dodge tomahawk?
Try that gyro that balances the train on one rail in as larger scale as you can and give up on leaning into corners at low speed hopefully it may even balance sitting still.
I have been thinking about that a lot . I am trying to decide what style I want to go with
Did you say somewhere what kind of motor are you using there? Is it QS? If so, what size (kW)?
Yes a qs 138 , they are rated for 4kw but guys are getting 30kw out of them
WHAT NEXT???----- have you thought about wings???
I would have wings , jets , big drone propellers! If I had the budget haha
With the BMS its got a fan so in ya battery box ya will have to drill a hole in it for air flow or the MOSFETs will burn out and the ESC just keep checkin the temp as ya use it incase it gets hot
MOSFETs have a thing in the datasheet called TJmax which is the thermal juction of the silicon inside it and they dont long to get hot if ya not careful
I think I will make like duct into it maybe
Also see if maybe you can collab with one of these engineering guys that could use sensor for speed that would trigger your gyro on and off? Or perhaps you could figure out a way to do it a bit more analog using % of throttle input + a relay or thru your speed controller directly? Another thing to look at is a rc flight controllers and maybe integrate that..they have ways to maintain level flight and can be automated even. Only slightly know what I’m talking about. Lol
It would be great if you could get your hands on a gyroscope, there are some for boats that are absolutely amazing.
Hey mate do you have a link for where you got that motor and controller from?
This is a rough problem. Firstly, I am no engineer so feel free to ignore everything I say. In looking at it, I wonder what it would look like with 2 sets of 2 much thinner tandem wheels at the front and back with independent adjustable heights. It might give the illusion of only having two wheels but provide the stability of 4? It would be neat if you used polycarbonate instead of metal to attach the central hubs to so that it looks like the hub is floating and if you attached mirrors cut to the shape of the polycarbonate on the inside, it would look totally invisible.
I still believe you can make it work. Dump that single rear wheel, get two half width wheels, make swing arms in the center line and make it a leaning delta-trike.🤓
You're having balance issues because of your long wheelbase and low center of gravity. When you turn, it takes longer to shift your center of mass. (I've been building these bikes for 20+ years)
If you use a gyro that really works then the bike won't lean at all, even in cornering or standing still. But it would have to be a really good gyro. Is that what you are wanting? If you keep the stabiliser wheels at the front, maybe they could be outside the frame, in pods, and linked to the steering so they turn with the front wheel. Stabiliser wheels at the rear might work better as there is no suspension movement at the rear and on a flat surface they will keep the bike dead upright. But you would have to make them retractable, like the monoracer.. and this kind of negates the principle of your build.
I think the gyro is the way to go , still trying to think about how I will set it up
Needs some quick deployable outriggers
Yep, some smart ones that auto adjust their deployed angle to keep the bike upright even on a side slope.
@@chats5957 Doesn't even need to be terribly smart. He said the bike runs fine once it is up to speed. So basically make it deploy/retract based on the speed and that should be it. Little bit of Arduino magic should do it.
I'm not sure how to do it at the Mo, but you are saying under say 5mph you need the stability of a four wheel , and above 5 mph the wheels, the two stabilizing wheels will be automatically lifted saving you worry about them, MMMM let me think, you have done most of that before , something rad is needed. but what, snowmobile tracks with electric lifting and lowering device, I've got a headache now so I'm going for a drink, lol
I know this has been said before, but I still hope a version of this can be made into a replica of Kaneda’s bike from the Akira manga/anime 🙏
Yeah, I'm done after that comment about the motorcycle grip pin. This is a young mans response to a miner task. Fabrication is full of little thing that stand in your way. If you're bothered by that, it's time to take a break and come back with a better attitude.
Cyber bike need to look more future look
Lots of potential in your project, very ambitious switching from ICE to EV, I believe an electric vehicle is easier to sort out and more enjoyable to ride.
So you mentioned that you like the gasoline engine but it's loud, shifting gears is a bit of a pain. If you consider a reconversion back to gasoline consider the Honda DTC 700 engine fully automatic. We can get them here in the US used for under $500. And the gyro thing does work but I find it funny that after decades of messing with it no one has really figured it out. 😆 It really isn't hard, but I think you may figure it out. I'll be watching 😊
Reliable engines are pretty expensive in New Zealand as we are so far away from the rest of the world. As for the gyro they have to be really heavy to work well which causes a lot more problems. Also the creep is another problem!
@@DktheWelder I do like the idea of electric drive. Not to mention the reverse ability. As far as the gyro, yes it does have to be fairly heavy. About 40lbs each. The procession issue is solved by counter rotation, and countering the procession with the second gyro. The gear system you made tying the two together is what you need to prevent the procession from entering the vehicle. You will find you need a spring on each end to reverse the precession. There is one additional component needed to make it practical to drive. I'm not going to give that information, but I do think you may be the one person who can figure it out. I will say it's very simple. LOL people have been trying to figure it out for decades 😳🤬😳😅🤣🤣😅😆 good luck 👍
One other thing, the gyro needs to be no more than 15 Inches from the pivot point ( ground contact point).
All the gear, all the time brother. Sorry about getting your bell rung.
The scene at 15:40 had me laughing
When I was racing bikes, I remember a word being used about the angles of the yokes.. the "rake".. I'm still not entirely sure what that means but it was apparently important. Intuitively, it feels to me that the rake on this one is totally wrong.. perhaps because it's flat? I think it needs to dip up and over at least.. if you know what i mean, so that it behaves ultimately more like a bike with a slightly higher centre of mass across the wheel axis... I wish I could explain it better.. but basically, you might even want to put it up and over the front wheel (so that when you are braking, the bike actually moves up a bit) kinda thing.. meh.. something like that for sure though.. :/
There is a ball joint that is adjustable so I can change it to any rake I want and it moves parallel as it moves through the suspension travel , I really need time to get everything fine tuned hopefully I can get it working better
cool make more...taller ones etc...