DIY CARBON FIBER STANCHIONS
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- The Tula Shop - tulasendlesssum... Some of our stanchion bases were leaking and it turned out that our stainless lifelines that we replaced a year ago probably aren’t as high quality stainless as they should be. We decided that instead if repairing and re-bedding the stanchion bases conventionally to borrow an idea that some racing boats are using as well as our friend Mike and make carbon fiber stanchions. We bed a fiberglass rod into the deck of our catamaran with a collar that a carbon tube will slip over as the stanchion. This will prevent any leaks from forming again, it will take some weight off the boat, and it will be a great experiment. Our next project will be to splice our own dyneema lifelines.
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Very well done video, my friends.I have a little information for you. Quality in stainless is subjective. 316 stainless will rust and that doesn't make it "quality" or not. I was a machinist nearly 40 years and worked with all types of stainless. I made any new hardware on my boats with 304 grade stainless. 304 will take a polish and not brown up. I made mooring bits and cleats with this grade and never had a failure through storms and a hurricane. 18-8 is a common fastener grade stainless and when sized properly for the job doesn't fail either. I really don't understand the marine fastination with 316. It is an alloy that is plenty strong but browns up and stains the boat's finish. 304 is a much better choice as it holds a polish and doesn't streak the fiberglass. I have a little consern with your stantion bases. I like the basic idea but when filling a hole in the deck straight sides are not very strong. The top and bottom of the hole should be beveled to create an hourglass shape. Also the G10 bottom plate should have the fiberglass post through it to provide strength. I don't know the wall thickness of the carbonfibre tube but I hope you researched the shear strength. Impact of a body pushed by a wave can be quite high. I admire the way you two tackle your repairs and Billie's skills show in his workmanship, confidence, and research. I am a little overkill in safety and strength areas. Tme will tell on this improvement and so far it looks good. Can't wait for the next video.
My God, OUTSTANDING.
I suggest cutting a hole in the bow and installing looking glass into the ocean. Install watertight door separating the glass from the boat. If Jacques Cousteau already did it, carry on the tradition.🤯😀👊👽✌️
hahah that would be awesome!
OK - someone please tell me why I find this relaxing? Is it because I will never have to do this in my lifetime? Great video tx
Kate RH
Nicely said. My favorite episodes is when they work on the boat. I know nothing of this and have no motivation to do it, but I like it the most.
if you ever want to experience first hand let us know ;P
You guys are killing it. Wonderful that you can do so much of these projects by yourselves. The nicks, cuts and abrasions on your hands and arms tell the story. Time flies watching your videos. Thanks.
I like the Carbon stanchions idea. I might have put a small flat on the fiberglass rods to allow the water to drain out , I think dirt will clog the gaps but looking forward to see how they hold up. Cheers warren.
Using òpen barrel turn buckets. Excellent Peter
Wow! Who knew there could be so much work involved in something so small but obviously important. You two have serious patience. As
boring as I would normally find the narration by you or anybody trying to explain in detail what you are trying to accomplish I actually found it enlightening. That's a compliment just in case I sound harsh. Impressive details.
All your efforts and improvements must have increased the value of your boat double by now. Thanks for sharing. Carry on.
hahaha does not sound harsh at all. Thanks for watching Grant!
One VERY important thing to remember when working with stainless is not to contaminate it. Even the best quality stainless will rust if say you use an old steal wrench, pair of channel locks or old screw driver head. I've seen this happen a 1000 times. Regular steel pieces can be embedded into the stainless steel causing rust.
Your parents must be so proud of you guys. They clearly instilled the value of hard work in you both. Super impressed👍
you are an artist
I enjoyed watching you both working on your boat.
Y'all are doing a great job on refitting this boat!! Keep up the good work.
That was a lot of work... and the result is very nice. Congrats, Richard
Thank you very much Richard :)
It's good to see you maintaining the ⛵. You're doing a great job and I look forward to seeing upcoming videos.
Cheers
We try to keep improving! She deserves it :)
Great video lovely to see all the improvements, but Billy please wear eye protection.
Great video loved it. I've been working on boat since I was a kid and it brings back so many memories.
Very impressed by Sierra she's definitely a boatsman.
Fair Winds and following Seas.....
Anchors Aweigh & BRAVO ZULU
Great job, My only concern is CF rods will defiantly fails if been hit laterally in rough seas by any of you trying to hold on something ...
I realize it would be really hard persuading yourself to do it...BUT TRY.
Throw yourself into the lines as if a 20 footer was rolling over the deck. As others have noted, CF is very strong but not infallible.
If it should snap, it may be hard to grab whats left.
👍⛵️👍
You guys are awesome!
No you are awesome!
Thanks for watching !
Love seeing you work on the boat. Keep it up
Thanks so much :)
You should use thicker G-10. I use G-10 every single day as a full time knifemaker and I am also a sailor and own a Jeanneau 439. I do all of my own repairs and work. Only use 3/8" -1/2" G-10 for bolt through backing plates
You guys do good work and you also leave a trail for others to follow on thier boat
We hope to help others along the way! Thanks for watching Frank:)
love what you guys do
Thanks Nic!
Your videos are getting more professional all the time.
Great job!
Thank you! we are trying to always improve:)
Sweet work guys! You should start continuing education seminars.
Larger washers on G10 needed.... great video, learned few things, thank you for sharing, fair wind and following seas...
just wondering … with the weight of a full grown person falling against the lifelines would the glass rods break that are imbedded in your deck? Interesting idea rather than the stainless steel stations, just not sure strength wise. Great videos' , your a fantastic couple and love the cat.(boat)
Another great job!! You gave me more ideas!!! Excellent video too!!
looks real good so far
Thanks so much!
Billy you need a 18 volt drill and bits. 1/4 and 3/8 drive bits also, instead of the hand rachet for 90 %of the work.
Craig's Car Care I think he is open for donations. 😂
And no Phillips heads ever!
@@jasongrinnell1986 I guess Christmas gift? Or donations either way be the best hundred bucks he ever spent LOL :-)
Craig's Car Care I agree 100% I can’t live without mine.
Love it when the plan comes together. Headline: Tula's Adrenaline goes carbon fiber. Yeeaassss!! 👍👍
Thanks so much for watching James :)
Let us know how the new stanchions hold up after a few months of use. We have a catamaran that has the fiberglass rods already imbedded and would love to refit with carbon fiber stanchions and Dyneema one day....cheers!
Onboard Lifestyle I watch both ur channels . East coast & West coast catamaran getting along. LOL !!!
We will keep you updated! Thanks for watching :)
Fun to be on top of the comments, would be more fun to be sailing with you guys, great videos!
Nice work !
thanks Walter!
W O W ... Googd thing you’re doing all this. 11:00
What a mess some of that stuff is 😱😩. Great job, keep it up.
G10 is used in making knife handles, it's very tough stuff. Nice video!
it is awesome stuff, just started using it and like it already!
Are you sure that the cable itself isn't 316 stainless. My reason for asking is that the rust appearance seems to only be where you have swaged ends. To me it seems the fittings are rusting and the rust is wicking from the fitting onto the actual cable. If the cable wasn't 316 you would see rust all along the cable from the salt water and moisture.
You could be right but its most likely caused by the dissimilar metals reacting in the salt water. If they were done correctly it wouldn't be a problem.
awesome sauce... cant wait to see how well they hold up
Us too ;)
Have fun guys, even if you must work hard!
Its always fun on the water!
You can get red mil-spec grommets from McMaster. I've found they hold up much better in the sun than the normal ones. Still, I'd be worried the lifelines would saw through any rubber grommet in short order.
What I did for my dyneema lifelines, was take a short length of plastic vinyl tubing and slit it lengthwise. Put that over the lifeline and through the stanchion hole, so it sticks out about 1/2" on either side. Then wrap some rigging tape over the ends which are sticking out to keep it from sliding though. Now the tubing will mostly stay put in the stanchion while the dyneema slides though the tubing. Won't chafe the lifelines or your stanchions.
Great job guys. Good video. Thanks
Thanks for watching Miguel
Love the fix videos!
Thank you! We really appreciate it :)
Love the dyi boat vids!
Thanks for watching Frank!
I have to say that’s some good work and ideas you have Billy...Both of ya’s are really doin a great job on the Kat...Awesome video of Jetty in the beginning....Would make for a great picture.........T.Gunz........
Thanks for the encouragement!
Awesome job guy's!
Thanks! We are glad the projects are getting checked off the list :)
Very cool idea. But what is the rating as far as weight pushed against your poles? They’re life lines. Usually people only grab hold when their either going over the side or trying desperately to hold onto the boat. Did you take a piece of steel pipe and place it over your rod and put some serious force on them before doing all the lifeline work? Just asking because I was out in a hurricane whilst in the CG and almost went over the side when we took a wave broadside. Thank god those 95’s had steel rails. I think the three life lines is a good idea for Jetty. So far great work as usual. Keep those Videos coming. When’s the Next episode of Cooking with Mermaid Sierraa?
Looks good Captain Billy. Get rid of the metal that causes condensation. Interesting.
Nice job, great video!
There is an old saying when it comes to boat rigging. < Stainless is half as good as it looks and galvanized is twice as good as it looks > My 30 ton west coast commercial fishing vessel, a troller had 40 year old hot dipped galvanized stanchions, rigging and turnbuckles on her, still going strong.
Wow
I hope you rounded the corners of those plates that went over the fiberglass poles. It would be my luck to stub a toe and bleed out on the deck.
hah yes slightly, and put a fillet around the bottom edge
Cut foot is no joke.
The stanchions on my boat had backing plates of aluminum with stainless bolts from the stainless stanchions bolted thru. Dissimilar metals resulted in tbe plates completely blowing up.. like delaminating.. had to replace all of them and rebed all... a real pain..
I'm an old man my time is precious our took Anacortes screwdriver and back those screws out I went to set there with that tool rich and I'm out if I could have gotten in there with a cordless drill I would have zipped them out with the cordless drill.... It would have took in 1/10 of the time to get them bolts out...
Great video, Billy, but slow the moving of the camera between you and the work. Made me dizzy. Hopefully, you didn't throughout that netting for Jetty. The deck gets a little wet, a wave hits you just right, and she'll slide right through. I've been on the ocean and train dogs for search and rescue. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance. Thanks for sharing.
Freddy Rassinger like a bunch of ole women complain complain complain lol
Worth going to New York just to have your Dads house near by and his tools😀
We also spent the entire summer lifeguarding :)
Awesome your boat is anchored out so close.
🤘love the work. Good job!
Thanks Jason! We appreciate it!
If I lived closer I would lend you all the tools and free labor you wanted. I now got my wife hooked on your videos and we both love what y’all are doing.
Good on you kids for seizing the initiative and using all the great technology available to you...
Back in my day,if we wanted to know how deep the water was,we threw a crew member overboard...if he/she (equality among crew) bounced,we knew we were in shallow water;if not we fished him/her out and carried on...(not a true story)...
Hahaha we are thankful for our depth finder ;)
A cordless drill/ driver would have made that job soooo simple! Lol The boat has come along way! Nice!
👍👍 Maybe it’s just me being a parent but at 13:11 I’d ream my kid for not tying off that that sander so if you fell in to the water with it wouldn’t go in with you.
Bill Van Raam I’m sure the breaker would pop
Jason Grinnell I’m not willing to trust a breaker with a life.
Brian Foote I’m not an election but I have come across GFIs that have been wired wrong or nor wired as a GFI outlet.
Oranje Manatee I was agreeing with you by relating what I have in countered. Have fun with your toddler.
I would like to see a strength test on the CF vs the SS lifeline poles. From a layman’s viewpoint, it doesn’t seem as strong.
Have you posted an update on the Fiberglass stanchion project? How are they holding up? What would you change next time?
bummer about the substandard stainless cable, thanks for the headsup. Dyneema sounds like better plan. I'm not so sure about the CF, is the weight savings the reason?
yes and to eliminate any future leaks
For the future when you do a project like this, use microfiber filler instead of cabocil. Cabocil is great for sanding but it’s not very strong and you could wind up with cracking. Microfiber filler is much stronger. Otherwise great video as usual.
Just to depart for boat repair for a minute; another use for G-10 is in Knife building, thin G-10 would be added as handle scales. Knife collecting took me away from boating. Oh, well.
I would be concerned about that carbon fiber tube being a weak point. Most people think it is a wonder material (and it is) but it is a lot weaker than that solid fiberglass rod and it is brittle. With it attached that way, I'd be concerned it would concentrate any load in a small area and fail.
When carbon fiber fails it shatters like glass. Watch F1 races, the cars tub/chassis and suspension components are carbon fiber
The carbon is also weakened by drilling holes in it... It would be a good idea to test one to destruction to see what sort of load it can safely handle..
I agree with John and Rusty. I would have left them unpainted. I think they would at least look cool without the paint. I like that you are trying different things though.
jack nimble hi you can't leave any resin , epoxy or polyester types exposed to UV. They all degrade sooner or later. Hi solids paint (or gelcoat) is the only best solution. You could use UV resistant varnish or clear coat like on cars but they tend to require much more prep and maintain etc ( clear coat on cars is applied in very controlled conditions and is heat cured @ 400+degF! So not practical for boats to get automotive type performance).
Cheers Warren
@@CheersWarren urethane and enamel clear coats do not need to be heat cured at all and only requires a light scuffing if not applied after applying the base coat recently. I also own a a carbon fiber bike and car bumpers that are exposed to plenty of sunlight without any harm. How are his stanchions any different?
You also check how good your stainless using a magnet. 304 stainless wil have a slight pull with a magnet and 316 will have no magnetic pull.
Great idea George we will definitely do that next time we are working with stainless
Nice
Looking awesome. I thought that carbon look would have been cool to keep
Drill a weep hole in the bottom just at the level of the stub top. You don't want a biogarden inside.
I love the DIY boat repair videos y'all put out. What is the screwdriver do y'all use at 9:30 in the video? It looks like a great tool to have. Thanks and keep it up~!
Hi Marlin!
Ruff Ruff!
Suggest you invest in a 1/4 inch rechargeable ratchet. With all the bolts you guys are always removing, it would save you a lot of time. Also a rechargeable screwdriver.
How did you make the stanchion rods?
Loving the work you're doing to this Crowther.
the fiberglass rod I bought from mcmaster. The carbon fiber tube was shipped from overseas.
Awesome. Would do 1 thing different. I love look of carbon fiber. Clearcoat or clear epoxy would have been my choice.
Another really impressive reno. Are you going to keep this boat for a while?
Thanks so much Yes! we love our boat :)
Jetty has something on one leg????
her elbow was raw from laying on the hard deck. Just trying to keep it covered.
ahhh! I wish you would have taken a poll to see if the hive mind would have voted to not paint the carbon fiber. I really like the look of the carbon fiber unpainted... nice addition though!
Nice video
Thanks!!
Billy, Looks like a real great job....again! You guys work so well together. One quesiton, where did you buy the carbon fiber tubes? I checked with the local building supply stores and they do not carry it. Also, how expensive was it? Thanks
www.mcconaghyboats.com/deckhardware
Has pushpits and pullpits as well, the prices are not insane, I was expecting higher prices
A reforma do barco foi concluída ? Mostra aí o resultado final !!!
Love the video and the way you are going with the stations. Where did you source the fiberglass rod and carbon tubing? Thanks. - s/v Wayward
Great instructional video. I hope your experiment works and lasts a long time. Really like the idea of minimizing any future galvanic corrosion by getting rid of metal backing plates, not too mention the weight reduction, which is critical on catamarans Please keep us updated on the successful or not-so-successful status of this project/experiment every 6 months or so. Also, when you get back to Jupiter, you should team up with Rob Arrington (deermeatfordinner.com) and do a joint fishing and exploring trip to the Bahamas with him and his wife. You and Sierra share lots in common with those two fine people, and he is a huge RUclips star (over a million followers). He is a local Jupiterian like Sierra, and an incredible outsdoorsman. A joint video with him would increase your viewership and subscriberships since many of his fans would probably start watching and following your Tula vids.
Hi Billy, They probably use hi quality 'BS1088' hard wood plywood with Lloyd's Register type approval that it was made to the standard. Not the crappy Fir marine plywood sold in the USA, BS1088 is sold in USA by quality marine lumber supply houses. It's also available from McMaster. The plywood standard allows the plywood to be used as is , uncoated without failure or rot! It's the only plywood that should be in a boat.
The fir so called usa marine plywood rots. If they actually made it with real southern yellow pine it might be ok but you can't get real yellow pine any more it was all logged out , current SYPine is now just a poor fast grown cousin of the original.
Cheers Warren
Hey Warren !
Thanks for the info! We really appreciate it!
thumbs up
Tefgel is your friend. Use it on hardware to stop galling & seizing.
Great Product!
Some good tips here guys! My biggest advice as a boat builder for 30 years is NEVER combine stainless and aluminium. Guaranteed galvanic corrosion! (not that you did this!)
I tried to look up cavisil filler and can't find anything......Is it a west system product????
At 17:45 you're filling a hole you previously drilled out originally and filled with Cabosil. Just to clarify, you filled with cabosil, sanded smooth, then drilled a smaller hole to accept the fiberglass rod base that holds the carbon fiber stanchion?
yes, I wanted to make sure that the there would be no contact of the fiberglass rod with any core material just in case a crack developed somewhere... I'm sure I could have just made the one whole for the rod and bedded it but...
Love it. Catch ya in the bahamas. Any long term plans for the Pacific?
I was wondering why you would need to paint the carbon?
To prevent UV ray degradation.
yes, carbon is ok with UV I think but the epoxy resin that is used to laminate it will breakdown from uv from what I have researched. Would look pretty cool straight carbon..
@@Tulasendlesssummer the new resins are much better than before when it comes to UV protection. But they still need protection especially in the marine environment and if you don't know what resins the manufacturer used its best to protect it.
I LOVE YALL SO MUCH
We love you too!
Lookout billy has a Hole Saw on the BOAT.
it's not allowed below decks :-)
I'd love to see what the fiberglass rods look like on the inside. How did you finish them off? Flush with the ceiling?
exactly, flush with the ceiling
@@Tulasendlesssummer Got it --very cool. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Guys have you kept all the stainless your replacing and weighted it compared to the weight of the new ?
We totally should have! bummer. That is a great idea.
Careful with CF, it doesn't bend, it snaps. Watch F1 crashes. Have fun stay safe!
It depends on the mix of chemicals. Check out Tenkara fishing rods.
Marshall Weaver it’s according to the type of resin you use it can actually bend if set up right like a fly rod
Forgot...did you fab any spares?...just in case.
Will we see how are you attach the carbon fiber to your epoxy post to keep it from pulling up in your next episode
I could be wrong, but I think the tensioned dyneema lines will hold the stanchions down on their posts. I'm looking forward to the next videos.
What do you guys use for editing your videos?
most recent version of imovie
Could you share where you found the rod and the tubing?
Yes I got the rod from McMaster and tubing from alibaba
You could have used AWLGRIP’s AWLWOOD on the carbon fiber. It’s an approved system = have meet dry fill requirements for proper UV protection.
Is it clear?
Is it clear?
Yes, fantastic product!
Thanks kids
Thanks for watching!