anytime that throwing hand comes anywhere near the glove, then it's a catch, dropped on the transfer, as is the case here, we're umps, get the outs when you can
One of the disadvantages in the 2-umpire system is that you can't see everything; it's simply impossible. That's why you need to use good mechanics. I've learned over the years that at this level, there isn't a routine play that can become non-routine in a hurry. "Anticipate the play, but never anticipate the outcome." This appears to be a 2-umpire crew with no runners on base. In this situation, the plate umpire should have moved out from behind home plate when the ball was hit. Your feet aren't glued to the ground behind the plate and it's a basic mechanic to move out from behind the plate on all batted balls unless there is a runner on third who is or may attempt to score. Had he come out from behind the plate and moved into the infield on the third base side of the mound, that may have helped him get a better look at the catch/no catch. It would have at least given him a slightly better angle (and looked better) than him standing stationary behind home plate. Plus it looks like you're hustling to get into the best position to make the call. Also, the base umpire should not have move inside the diamond on a fly ball to the infield. That's only done on balls hit to the outfield (when you don't have catch/no catch responsibilities). For mechanics, an infield pop fly is treated the same as a ground ball to the infield. If there is a play on the batter-runner (other than a catch of the pop fly), it's most likely to be a throw to first following a no catch. U1 moving inside the diamond puts him in the wrong place to make that call.
Agreed on both counts. I don't believe it helps the plate umpire's view at all but it looks better than just standing there. The base umpire should have stayed out and watched the catch so he had a view from that side. Edited to say that they are lucky to have a 2 man team. Most of the games I do no are solo.
@@Glock2201 Mechanics are something you shouldn't have to think about. The PU should have come out from behind the plate as a natural reaction to the play. It may not have helped, but standing behind the plate isn't going to help. We had both varsity baseball and softball games this spring with just one umpire. There's no way that should happen, but you can't clone umpires. Membership in my high school association is down more than 30% from what it was pre-COVID. We didn't have enough umpires before COVID, and it's only getting worse. We're lucky to keep any of the new guys who decide to give it a try. It's only going to get worse as old guys (like me) decide we've had enough or decide it's time to retire.
From the first camera angle, I had a catch and drop in transfer, outfield just supported that. From the umpire's point of view, though, it's a lot harder to say, as it looks like the umpire was at least partially screened by the fielder's body. Tough break for the defense, but what can you do? The first camera angle is nearly what a third umpire would likely have, so I'd call this a textbook argument for why more umpires is typically better.
Real tough judgment call, especially from PU. 2-person crew it’s difficult to see everything. I liked that he immediately went to his partner. Knew he didn’t have a good angle. Good reminder why we need to get out from behind the plate on EVERY ball in play.
I'm good with either call, as this is on the hairy edge of F4 vs E4, as is evidenced by the nearly even split in the comments below. I like to see a little bit more control by the fielder to demonstrate that he completed the catch, so I would lean to E4 on this one. If I'm the defensive manager, I'm arguing hard for a F4 + drop on the transfer. It's a tweener where one of the two teams is going to feel "screwed" no matter the call.
100% the correct call. F4 never completed the process of the catch. 2-9-1....The catch of a fly ball by a fielder is not completed until the continuing action of the catch is completed.
Not sure what video you are watching if you think that’s a catch. There was no other play to be made, so what transfer would have been made and for what reason. This is a no catch all day long
@@christopherengle8490 Center field camera clearly shows both secure possession and voluntary release especially frame by frame. The only question is can any umpire make that call from their position? No. So the call, while technically wrong, is correct based only on the information the umpires have. We have to accept inaccurate calls in baseball because we don't have perfect views from every angle on every call.
@Hwks To be fair to the umpires, that was sloppy. I can't disagree with the call that was made based on what they saw. A third base umpire might have had a better view.
@@christopherengle8490 he was going to throw it around the horn exactly as they did after he dropped the transfer. Im with the OP in that I seriously question the judgement of any official that can look at that play multiple times from multiple angles and still say it is no catch, and it is disturbing to me from an officiating perspective how many of the umpires and commenters here are saying no catch. It is was fairly obvious to me the first time, but I also knew what was about to happen and to be looking closely, but I thought it was going to be a tougher call than this.
The second camera angle shows that he had firm and secure possession of the ball in his glove. It wasn't moving around. He voluntarily opened his glove to transfer the ball to his throwing hand. Tough call though. Watch in slow motion at 1:33-1:34. Clunky but out. Of course the umpire didn't have the benefit of a replay.
This looks to be an NFHS game, couple things here, once the explanation after the call is given to the coach (no explanation is ACTUALLY needed), he should return to the dugout or else he is subject to restriction and/or ejection. Once a final call is determined, the manager of the team is not allowed to argue any further, let alone really even question. Sure, I will give them an explanation (most of the time), but there are times where you don't need to.
It was not clear even watching the video in both angles. I would not have a catch secure enough to call an out, for what I could see. B1 wasn't even looking to the catch (I thought it was his call), so it is up to what PU could see for sure. I agree with his call.
That’s a drop in transfer. However, from the plate umpire’s view, it does look like no catch and no catch would be the correct call with the information he had.
No catch. One thing you have to do as PU though is sell that call better. Signal safe and say no catch no catch. Make it clear and there will be no question you made the call correctly.
@67L48 said below that he was good with either call. I get that, but I'd put things a little differently. I'm good with the correct call, which is an out and a drop on the transfer. I'm not good with the incorrect call of no catch. That's because I'm never "good" with an incorrect call. I hate when I make incorrect calls. But I do make them. And this play is an instance where I could see myself making an incorrect call, so I can see how this Plate Umpire (PU) made the incorrect call. Without the benefit of replay, I think this play happened quickly enough that a no catch call could have been made by lots of good umpires. I need to do a better job on these videos of pausing right after the action is over and deciding what I would do quickly instead of watching them all the way through and seeing the replays. All that said, the bigger lesson here isn't, "what is the correct call?" (but it is a good video to teach that this is a catch and drop in transfer). The bigger lesson here is how to umpire this situation. Let's start with the obvious. It's bad to start physically or verbally making one call and then change it to the opposite call. That's what the PU did here when he raised his right hand after the catch. It's always better to take that extra beat, and it's easy to do here because, had it been a catch, no one would have been looking at the umpire for confirmation. A good way of knowing that is if you think like a ballplayer. Hopefully we've all had a coach tell us as young ballplayers when we're in the field to take the time before the pitch is thrown to consider at the game situation (runners on, outs, score, etc) and to think about what we are going to do if the ball is hit to us. That's what we should be doing as umpires before each pitch as well. No runners on, less than two outs. On a pop fly to the infield, if there is a catch, there is essentially no need to make a quick call signaling an out. You can wait 3 seconds after the catch and it won't affect play. Had the PU not begun his out call too soon, he could have taken that time he used to stop his out call and put it towards deciding on what the call needed to be. He created extra work for himself by starting his out call too early. That may have been a factor in him making the incorrect call here. Thinking about the game situation beforehand could have helped him remember he did not need to make an out call that quickly. Regardless of if you start your out call too soon and have to take it back or not, the moment you see that the batted ball wasn't caught cleanly your brain has to realize this play went from nobody really looking to you for a call to you now being the one that has to determine what just happened. Baseball umpires can go several games without having to make a catch/no catch call, so it is easy to become complacent on this sort of situation. Think about how different things are for a football officials when it comes to catch/no catch. They have to make that call dozens of times per game. Sometimes forcefully, sometimes not. With that frequency comes the knowledge of when those calls need to be forceful. Baseball umpires not so much, so it's easy to forget. A good rule of thumb is that when the ground is clearly involved, the call has to be quite forceful. Since over 90% of catches in baseball don't involve the ground, it's easy to forget that. So it needs to be recognized here. Ground is involved - forceful call. So the ball wasn't caught cleanly - people are now looking at you. Not only that, the ball hit the ground, so you have to make a loud, clear, and forceful call. The fielder touching the ball and then it hitting the ground so quickly immediately after also requires something other than a normal out or safe mechanic. First, figure out if you have a catch and a drop during the transfer (intentional release) or no catch. You know my opinion, but this comment isn't about that so I'll move on. If you have a catch and a drop during the transfer, a simple out call, even if it is loud and demonstrative, is not enough. You have to acknowledge that the fielder dropped the ball. Make the out call first, yell "out," then with your right hand still raised and in a fist, wrap your left hand around your right fist, then pull your hands apart while yelling "dropped on the transfer" or "voluntary release" (or something of that nature). If you determine that it wasn't a catch, make a very demonstrative safe signal and yell "No Catch" once or twice. Neither of these mechanics are going to save you from one of the managers coming out to talk, but they are likely going to feel less angry about being wronged by your call than if you made the call in the way this PU did. Last point - coaches - let this be a teaching opportunity for you too. Tell your players that you know that was a catch. But also tell them, in that situation there was no need to get the ball out of your glove that quickly. This advice is even more important for outfielders since the umpires are even further from them. There were no other runners to be concerned about so taking an extra second to let the ball sit in the glove can only help. As evidenced by this play, young players are rarely good enough with their hands that they never drop the ball accidentally. The longer the ball stays in the glove, the less likely an umpire is to mistakenly call a catch with a dropped voluntary released a no catch. Great video for a learning opportunity @MJH-Baseball Thanks!
Looking at the video frame by frame from the outfield camera it was obviously a catch. But in real time, I would have called it the same as the plate ump. Except that I would have done it from nearer the mound.
Looks like a tough call either way. The question is how the umpires (plate guy) convince the manager they got the call correct if he didn't go out to the infield. Plate guy should have been at the pitcher mound. Remember when you Hussle on the field the managers will leave you alone.
That's a little much, there is no need to be near the pitchers mound. If you have the ability to clear the catcher then that's all you need. Sometimes I will travel to the front of home-plate but I generally go up the 3rd baseline or 1st baseline to take a fly ball in the infield.
That should be the base umpire call. Home plate umpire doesnt hustle to the mound on a pop up in the infield. That is only required on a fly ball to the outfield.
@@djwilson916 LOL no, the PU has jurisdiction over flyballs infield. The only time the U1 would take a flyball in the infield is if there was infield fly (but then both of them can call call it). If the PU is blocked for whatever reasons, sometimes the U1 can take it. Otherwise if the U1 is in the working area, he has flyballs in the outfield and PU has them down the line.
Review it at 1:33. He had firm and secure possession of the ball in his glove. It wasn't until he opened his glove to transfer the ball to his throwing hand that it dropped to the ground. Sloppy but technically a catch, if they could have reviewed the replay.
@@robertbrown7470 exactly my point. The umps can't check the replay at 1 minute 33 seconds. They can't see that fraction of a second that the ball was still. The ball was moving too much in the glove to call it a catch. The umpires made the correct call for in the moment.
@@tj5912 The ball wasn't moving in his glove when he held it in his glove firmly and securely. I agree that from their perspective it looked like it just dropped out of his glove.
I dont beleive he secured the catch. 1 BIG question to ask yourself? Is there a runner/play to be made after catch? The answer is no. There is no further play to be made. With this in consideration and the fact is the ball slips out without connecting to his other hand, its a no catch for me.
Why is he transferring the ball? There’s no one on base. He shouldn’t even be trying to throw the ball. He should be making sure he completes the catch.
absolutely dropped on the transfer, not even debatable. especially the view at 1:33, that could literally be a training video for a catch and drop-on-transfer. it's tough to believe so many commenters here are getting this wrong.
@@davej3781 You are saying that it is not even debatable, that clear? No. It wasn't. It was sloppy, don't disagree with the call it's the umpire's judgment but watching the video, he had firm and secure possession and voluntary release, however sloppy it was.
I agree Dave. If we only get the one view, this would be difficult (as it was for the umpires.) With the center field camera, it's obvious. I'm so glad MJH-Baseball found a way to get this angle. I recall when he used a handheld phone camera and a crappy audio voice over. He's come a long way don't you agree?
I really hope PU didn't signaled infield fly. First, because I would be becoming blind as I could not notice it even playing it again. Or because the IFF signal has changed and I didn't learn it yet. Second because it would be a disaster to call IFF with no runners, as the rule says we need at least one runner on first and another on second to be able to call it.
If an umpire has any doubt about whether it was a clean catch or not, then is wasn’t. 100% correct call even with benefit of replay. No way fielder had control of the ball, anyone saying otherwise had better review again. An then consider making this call in real time.
In replay from center field camera frame by frame it's 100% drop in transfer. That being said, in real time from the umpires view, it's a no catch. This simply highlights that calls are made based on judgement from the umpires view. We need to live with incorrect calls because it's not possible to see the full 360 degree view in hyper slow motion. But it's clearly a drop in transfer and that's undeniable with center field camera frame by frame.
@@evankirk5937 So having the glove completely closed over the ball. Then reaching with the free hand to retrieve the ball. Then suddenly the ball misses the free hand surprising the fielder because he clearly intended to take the ball out of his glove with intent, only his hand missed it. That's not voluntary release to you? 🤔
@@MH-Teslathat was not good enough even from the center field camera to call on transfer. Call was right 100% no matter any camera angle show he was bobbling entire time and never had ball in hand or pulled ball out with that hand.
I think the bigger point is to coach 2B to be less cute and lackadaisical when fielding a popup. COMPLETE the catch, young man! Then, remove it and toss it around the horn. Why are you trying to turn two on a popup with nobody on? Those that want to slow the video and see it still in the glove for a millisecond or two will see that. The game takes place at live speed, and this definitely appears to be an unintentional bobble in real time. So, you really can’t argue with a safe call here.
No catch. The ball clearly was coming out as he was reaching in for it so no transfer. Poor mechanics by both umpires as well as poor mechanics by the fielder. He should have squeezed it and held onto it to make sure it was a catch. There was no runners on so no reason not to.
Most rules for a catch read "voluntary release" of the ball. He caught it and released it to his other hand to toss it around but dropped it. Catch.
anytime that throwing hand comes anywhere near the glove, then it's a catch, dropped on the transfer, as is the case here, we're umps, get the outs when you can
One of the disadvantages in the 2-umpire system is that you can't see everything; it's simply impossible. That's why you need to use good mechanics. I've learned over the years that at this level, there isn't a routine play that can become non-routine in a hurry. "Anticipate the play, but never anticipate the outcome."
This appears to be a 2-umpire crew with no runners on base. In this situation, the plate umpire should have moved out from behind home plate when the ball was hit. Your feet aren't glued to the ground behind the plate and it's a basic mechanic to move out from behind the plate on all batted balls unless there is a runner on third who is or may attempt to score. Had he come out from behind the plate and moved into the infield on the third base side of the mound, that may have helped him get a better look at the catch/no catch. It would have at least given him a slightly better angle (and looked better) than him standing stationary behind home plate. Plus it looks like you're hustling to get into the best position to make the call.
Also, the base umpire should not have move inside the diamond on a fly ball to the infield. That's only done on balls hit to the outfield (when you don't have catch/no catch responsibilities). For mechanics, an infield pop fly is treated the same as a ground ball to the infield. If there is a play on the batter-runner (other than a catch of the pop fly), it's most likely to be a throw to first following a no catch. U1 moving inside the diamond puts him in the wrong place to make that call.
Even if the PU had gotten closer, he'd've still been screened by the 2B's glove.
@@goodmaro Probably. But getting out from behind the plate is the proper mechanic and looks a lot better than standing immobile behind the plate.
Agreed on both counts. I don't believe it helps the plate umpire's view at all but it looks better than just standing there. The base umpire should have stayed out and watched the catch so he had a view from that side.
Edited to say that they are lucky to have a 2 man team. Most of the games I do no are solo.
@@Glock2201 Mechanics are something you shouldn't have to think about. The PU should have come out from behind the plate as a natural reaction to the play. It may not have helped, but standing behind the plate isn't going to help.
We had both varsity baseball and softball games this spring with just one umpire. There's no way that should happen, but you can't clone umpires. Membership in my high school association is down more than 30% from what it was pre-COVID. We didn't have enough umpires before COVID, and it's only getting worse. We're lucky to keep any of the new guys who decide to give it a try. It's only going to get worse as old guys (like me) decide we've had enough or decide it's time to retire.
From the first camera angle, I had a catch and drop in transfer, outfield just supported that. From the umpire's point of view, though, it's a lot harder to say, as it looks like the umpire was at least partially screened by the fielder's body. Tough break for the defense, but what can you do? The first camera angle is nearly what a third umpire would likely have, so I'd call this a textbook argument for why more umpires is typically better.
Real tough judgment call, especially from PU. 2-person crew it’s difficult to see everything. I liked that he immediately went to his partner. Knew he didn’t have a good angle. Good reminder why we need to get out from behind the plate on EVERY ball in play.
It was the plate umpires call anyways other umpires job is the runner on that play
I'm good with either call, as this is on the hairy edge of F4 vs E4, as is evidenced by the nearly even split in the comments below. I like to see a little bit more control by the fielder to demonstrate that he completed the catch, so I would lean to E4 on this one. If I'm the defensive manager, I'm arguing hard for a F4 + drop on the transfer. It's a tweener where one of the two teams is going to feel "screwed" no matter the call.
100% the correct call. F4 never completed the process of the catch.
2-9-1....The catch of a fly ball by a fielder is not completed until the continuing action of the catch is completed.
E4. Nobody transfers a ball like that. But I couldn't see that without the outfield view!
Happens all the time. Sloppy but happens.
That was a clean catch. He brings it down and clearly opens the glove to transfer the ball. Idk what everyone else is watching.
Not sure what video you are watching if you think that’s a catch. There was no other play to be made, so what transfer would have been made and for what reason. This is a no catch all day long
@@christopherengle8490 Center field camera clearly shows both secure possession and voluntary release especially frame by frame. The only question is can any umpire make that call from their position? No. So the call, while technically wrong, is correct based only on the information the umpires have. We have to accept inaccurate calls in baseball because we don't have perfect views from every angle on every call.
@@christopherengle8490 Review at 1:33 in slow motion. Rick West is correct.
@Hwks To be fair to the umpires, that was sloppy. I can't disagree with the call that was made based on what they saw. A third base umpire might have had a better view.
@@christopherengle8490 he was going to throw it around the horn exactly as they did after he dropped the transfer.
Im with the OP in that I seriously question the judgement of any official that can look at that play multiple times from multiple angles and still say it is no catch, and it is disturbing to me from an officiating perspective how many of the umpires and commenters here are saying no catch. It is was fairly obvious to me the first time, but I also knew what was about to happen and to be looking closely, but I thought it was going to be a tougher call than this.
I have a catch and lost ball on tranfer. But i used the outfield camera view, zoomed in, and played at .25 speed. 😂
I have those getting the call their way are happy and those that didnt are complaining.
I have a catch and a drop on the release. Batter is out, despite the ugly play.
on the field, i have no catch all day. on replay looks like voluntary release but i don't know that continuing action is complete
100% the correct call. You have to have a voluntary release, and there was not one here.
The second camera angle shows that he had firm and secure possession of the ball in his glove. It wasn't moving around. He voluntarily opened his glove to transfer the ball to his throwing hand. Tough call though. Watch in slow motion at 1:33-1:34. Clunky but out. Of course the umpire didn't have the benefit of a replay.
@@robertbrown7470 you just described a non-voluntary release.
@@evankirk5937 You are going to have to explain that. Voluntary does not mean Non-Voluntary.
@@robertbrown7470 yeah im with you. Looks out to me and that he opened the glove to pull it out.
I side with the umpire, hard to see from this PoV though
From center field camera clearly a drop in transfer, but from umpire's view, sorry... It's a judgement call.
This looks to be an NFHS game, couple things here, once the explanation after the call is given to the coach (no explanation is ACTUALLY needed), he should return to the dugout or else he is subject to restriction and/or ejection. Once a final call is determined, the manager of the team is not allowed to argue any further, let alone really even question. Sure, I will give them an explanation (most of the time), but there are times where you don't need to.
Ump only needs to explain himself after a blown call from 100' away lol
@@jeremyandelisha Sounds like you've never officiated a game.
It was not clear even watching the video in both angles. I would not have a catch secure enough to call an out, for what I could see. B1 wasn't even looking to the catch (I thought it was his call), so it is up to what PU could see for sure. I agree with his call.
That’s a drop in transfer.
However, from the plate umpire’s view, it does look like no catch and no catch would be the correct call with the information he had.
I do NOT have a catch here. This should be ruled an error. There was no voluntary release. Went in the mitt, fell to the ground.
i would say he caught that ball and dropped it in transfer
F4 has to be better. DHC needs to beef with his F4, not the umpire. Sheesh.
Out. Lost it on the transfer.
No catch. One thing you have to do as PU though is sell that call better. Signal safe and say no catch no catch. Make it clear and there will be no question you made the call correctly.
@67L48 said below that he was good with either call. I get that, but I'd put things a little differently.
I'm good with the correct call, which is an out and a drop on the transfer. I'm not good with the incorrect call of no catch. That's because I'm never "good" with an incorrect call. I hate when I make incorrect calls. But I do make them. And this play is an instance where I could see myself making an incorrect call, so I can see how this Plate Umpire (PU) made the incorrect call. Without the benefit of replay, I think this play happened quickly enough that a no catch call could have been made by lots of good umpires. I need to do a better job on these videos of pausing right after the action is over and deciding what I would do quickly instead of watching them all the way through and seeing the replays. All that said, the bigger lesson here isn't, "what is the correct call?" (but it is a good video to teach that this is a catch and drop in transfer). The bigger lesson here is how to umpire this situation.
Let's start with the obvious. It's bad to start physically or verbally making one call and then change it to the opposite call. That's what the PU did here when he raised his right hand after the catch. It's always better to take that extra beat, and it's easy to do here because, had it been a catch, no one would have been looking at the umpire for confirmation. A good way of knowing that is if you think like a ballplayer. Hopefully we've all had a coach tell us as young ballplayers when we're in the field to take the time before the pitch is thrown to consider at the game situation (runners on, outs, score, etc) and to think about what we are going to do if the ball is hit to us. That's what we should be doing as umpires before each pitch as well. No runners on, less than two outs. On a pop fly to the infield, if there is a catch, there is essentially no need to make a quick call signaling an out. You can wait 3 seconds after the catch and it won't affect play. Had the PU not begun his out call too soon, he could have taken that time he used to stop his out call and put it towards deciding on what the call needed to be. He created extra work for himself by starting his out call too early. That may have been a factor in him making the incorrect call here. Thinking about the game situation beforehand could have helped him remember he did not need to make an out call that quickly.
Regardless of if you start your out call too soon and have to take it back or not, the moment you see that the batted ball wasn't caught cleanly your brain has to realize this play went from nobody really looking to you for a call to you now being the one that has to determine what just happened. Baseball umpires can go several games without having to make a catch/no catch call, so it is easy to become complacent on this sort of situation. Think about how different things are for a football officials when it comes to catch/no catch. They have to make that call dozens of times per game. Sometimes forcefully, sometimes not. With that frequency comes the knowledge of when those calls need to be forceful. Baseball umpires not so much, so it's easy to forget. A good rule of thumb is that when the ground is clearly involved, the call has to be quite forceful. Since over 90% of catches in baseball don't involve the ground, it's easy to forget that. So it needs to be recognized here. Ground is involved - forceful call.
So the ball wasn't caught cleanly - people are now looking at you. Not only that, the ball hit the ground, so you have to make a loud, clear, and forceful call. The fielder touching the ball and then it hitting the ground so quickly immediately after also requires something other than a normal out or safe mechanic. First, figure out if you have a catch and a drop during the transfer (intentional release) or no catch. You know my opinion, but this comment isn't about that so I'll move on. If you have a catch and a drop during the transfer, a simple out call, even if it is loud and demonstrative, is not enough. You have to acknowledge that the fielder dropped the ball. Make the out call first, yell "out," then with your right hand still raised and in a fist, wrap your left hand around your right fist, then pull your hands apart while yelling "dropped on the transfer" or "voluntary release" (or something of that nature). If you determine that it wasn't a catch, make a very demonstrative safe signal and yell "No Catch" once or twice. Neither of these mechanics are going to save you from one of the managers coming out to talk, but they are likely going to feel less angry about being wronged by your call than if you made the call in the way this PU did.
Last point - coaches - let this be a teaching opportunity for you too. Tell your players that you know that was a catch. But also tell them, in that situation there was no need to get the ball out of your glove that quickly. This advice is even more important for outfielders since the umpires are even further from them. There were no other runners to be concerned about so taking an extra second to let the ball sit in the glove can only help. As evidenced by this play, young players are rarely good enough with their hands that they never drop the ball accidentally. The longer the ball stays in the glove, the less likely an umpire is to mistakenly call a catch with a dropped voluntary released a no catch.
Great video for a learning opportunity @MJH-Baseball
Thanks!
Looking at the video frame by frame from the outfield camera it was obviously a catch. But in real time, I would have called it the same as the plate ump.
Except that I would have done it from nearer the mound.
Looks like a tough call either way. The question is how the umpires (plate guy) convince the manager they got the call correct if he didn't go out to the infield. Plate guy should have been at the pitcher mound. Remember when you Hussle on the field the managers will leave you alone.
That's a little much, there is no need to be near the pitchers mound. If you have the ability to clear the catcher then that's all you need. Sometimes I will travel to the front of home-plate but I generally go up the 3rd baseline or 1st baseline to take a fly ball in the infield.
@@RealRedPolitics That's what I said move out from plate area. Can't teach a person to hustle.
That should be the base umpire call. Home plate umpire doesnt hustle to the mound on a pop up in the infield. That is only required on a fly ball to the outfield.
@@djwilson916 LOL no, the PU has jurisdiction over flyballs infield. The only time the U1 would take a flyball in the infield is if there was infield fly (but then both of them can call call it). If the PU is blocked for whatever reasons, sometimes the U1 can take it. Otherwise if the U1 is in the working area, he has flyballs in the outfield and PU has them down the line.
Ball was moving in the glove to much to be a clean catch. Think they got it right.
Review it at 1:33. He had firm and secure possession of the ball in his glove. It wasn't until he opened his glove to transfer the ball to his throwing hand that it dropped to the ground. Sloppy but technically a catch, if they could have reviewed the replay.
@@robertbrown7470 Tell umps to review it. In real time the ball was moving too much to be a catch. Umps made the correct call in the situation.
@@tj5912 It's a judgment call. No replay.
@@robertbrown7470 exactly my point. The umps can't check the replay at 1 minute 33 seconds. They can't see that fraction of a second that the ball was still. The ball was moving too much in the glove to call it a catch. The umpires made the correct call for in the moment.
@@tj5912 The ball wasn't moving in his glove when he held it in his glove firmly and securely. I agree that from their perspective it looked like it just dropped out of his glove.
Batter out. Transfer drop.
The other camera view clearly shows he had possession of the ball and voluntarily opened his glove to transfer the ball to his throwing hand.
I dont beleive he secured the catch. 1 BIG question to ask yourself? Is there a runner/play to be made after catch? The answer is no. There is no further play to be made. With this in consideration and the fact is the ball slips out without connecting to his other hand, its a no catch for me.
Why is he transferring the ball? There’s no one on base. He shouldn’t even be trying to throw the ball. He should be making sure he completes the catch.
usually they throw the ball around after catching for an out with no one on base.
absolutely dropped on the transfer, not even debatable. especially the view at 1:33, that could literally be a training video for a catch and drop-on-transfer.
it's tough to believe so many commenters here are getting this wrong.
Yeah, would have to disagree on that.
@@robertbrown7470 what do you disagree with? Your other comment says you've got a catch and a drop on transfer.
@@davej3781 You are saying that it is not even debatable, that clear? No. It wasn't. It was sloppy, don't disagree with the call it's the umpire's judgment but watching the video, he had firm and secure possession and voluntary release, however sloppy it was.
I agree Dave. If we only get the one view, this would be difficult (as it was for the umpires.) With the center field camera, it's obvious. I'm so glad MJH-Baseball found a way to get this angle. I recall when he used a handheld phone camera and a crappy audio voice over. He's come a long way don't you agree?
@@MH-Tesla MJH is the hero we need, but dont deserve.
i think transfer
Blue got it right
The batter was out.
Clearly a no-catch.
Home plate called signaled ( poorly) infield fly batter out. Runner advices at will
Home plate umpire didn't make any signal for infield fly as there wasn't a runner on second. Only thing he did was signal safe/no catch.
That's because it was not an infield fly. Nobody on first or second at the start of the play.
@jeffkelly4093 correct, and also, nor was there a runner on first base.
@@deankirkpatrick7658 Correct as well.
I really hope PU didn't signaled infield fly. First, because I would be becoming blind as I could not notice it even playing it again. Or because the IFF signal has changed and I didn't learn it yet. Second because it would be a disaster to call IFF with no runners, as the rule says we need at least one runner on first and another on second to be able to call it.
Transfer drop….not even close. Out
If an umpire has any doubt about whether it was a clean catch or not, then is wasn’t. 100% correct call even with benefit of replay. No way fielder had control of the ball, anyone saying otherwise had better review again. An then consider making this call in real time.
In replay from center field camera frame by frame it's 100% drop in transfer. That being said, in real time from the umpires view, it's a no catch. This simply highlights that calls are made based on judgement from the umpires view. We need to live with incorrect calls because it's not possible to see the full 360 degree view in hyper slow motion. But it's clearly a drop in transfer and that's undeniable with center field camera frame by frame.
Review it at 1:33.
@@MH-Tesla the center field view makes it even more clear it was a no catch due to the lack of a voluntary release.
@@evankirk5937 So having the glove completely closed over the ball. Then reaching with the free hand to retrieve the ball. Then suddenly the ball misses the free hand surprising the fielder because he clearly intended to take the ball out of his glove with intent, only his hand missed it. That's not voluntary release to you? 🤔
@@MH-Teslathat was not good enough even from the center field camera to call on transfer. Call was right 100% no matter any camera angle show he was bobbling entire time and never had ball in hand or pulled ball out with that hand.
I think the bigger point is to coach 2B to be less cute and lackadaisical when fielding a popup. COMPLETE the catch, young man! Then, remove it and toss it around the horn. Why are you trying to turn two on a popup with nobody on?
Those that want to slow the video and see it still in the glove for a millisecond or two will see that. The game takes place at live speed, and this definitely appears to be an unintentional bobble in real time. So, you really can’t argue with a safe call here.
No catch. The ball clearly was coming out as he was reaching in for it so no transfer. Poor mechanics by both umpires as well as poor mechanics by the fielder. He should have squeezed it and held onto it to make sure it was a catch. There was no runners on so no reason not to.