As a healer that ran and failed a key with a Blood DK, 2 s priests (one was doing the same dps as me) and a warlock yesterday… I can confirm a good comp really does help, having to interrupt everything, heal bucket loads of avoidable damage and deal with every single afflicted (apparently) isn’t the most fun I’ve had in a while.
I was healing 11-13 on Afflicted on a Holy Paladin. Run into many people who flat out refuse to do dispel (shadow priest, enhancement shaman, balance druid). So I was healing afflicted M+ on hard mode.
Playing a dps warrior this season is pure torture. Been keystone hero every season since the beginning of BFA and im getting declined for 16s for hours.
@@briantaylor5530 As a DK main I say this: You are going to get invited to about as many keys as you would a warrior, top that off with your DPS can be utterly destroyed just by having your tank moving mobs away from your DnD, other than that FDK is fun and is really quite tanky
Let’s start with a tank. Let’s pick something with a combat ress and a good aoe stop, preferably a soothe. GUARDIAN DRUID comes to mind. Now we pick a healer with let’s say another combat ress. We have a druid already, dk and warlock can’t heal so it must be a HOLY PALADIN. Now we need a good utility class with a ranged kick on a shorter cd, some aoe stops and maybe some defensives for the group. You guessed it, AUGMENTATION EVOKER. That leaves us with 2 dps spots. We have utility now, we have stops, let’s get some niche abilities liiiiike… mass dispell? Mind soothe? Sure, get a SHADOW PRIEST. Last dps we need must be a good PI recipient since the evoker is not an ideal target. Something with a huge dps that can survive a lot, maybe another group defensive, another ranged kick. Wait… would this be a… it can’t be! Is it…. a FIRE MAGE! Wow, that sounds like a good comp, let’s have a look if somebody else plays this 🤦🏻♂️
that no hunters stuff is real... I got a 445 ilvl 2700 io survival hunter that gets instant declined from +17's lol... The best part is after being declined for 20 minutes.. I end up out dpsing second place by nearly 40% in the run I'm finally invited to... This season is rough for non-meta pugging.
@@defenestrationstation5771 That is the dumbest thing i have heard this week. Aoe silence has a 5yard range from the target you hit has a cast time and it is also worse for damage to pick this talent in the first place. Interrupt is a ranged one with 24second cooldown. Blood lust means you LOSE a 2min defensive cooldown AND stamina to survive things. Sure if there is no one else who can bloodlust it is a good thing to use but if someone else can you rather they do it. Aoe root requires COMMUNICATION to even trigger and breaks on damage making it far worse then almost anything else in the game. Tar trap slow is not a big slow is fixed on the ground and mobs do not retain it if they leave the trap, also has an arm time. Single target CC you mean the freezing trap it is not a true CC and therefor will not be used for skips so much so that people do not even know how to do skips with it as shadowlands proved. And i can go on just know listing stuff without knowing how the game works like you just did only tells people you do not know anything. So this video is absolutely perfect for you.
@havtor007 sounds like a bad case of mad because bad. The aoe silence is super easy to hit on packs and I hit that shit all the time and feroicity gives passive leach Also for someone who is saying I don't know my class you seem to have conveniently forgot intimidation which is the CC I was talking about along with freezing trap and I guess whaling arrow is a bad Talent even though professional Hunters use it in Wowhead guides for m+ Obviously survivability is an issue on highest keys, but that is universal to most classes which is why blizzard is nerfing the difficulty of Mythic pluses. BM can push up to 20s super easy and you can theory craft all you want on paper but in practice you have a ton of tools For whatever reason you just have a complex and are convinced Hunters are bad I shouldn't have even responded to you to be honest but it was shocking how someone so wrong could so confidently try to tear someone else down you comquat
I can give a better advice in one sentence. All you need is Augvoker and Hpal, who solve all your kick, lust, brez, st stun, aoe cc, tank survival, group healing problem. Yes, wow is dumb.
I've had this feeling lately too, I've stopped playing because it felt so dead, I queued up my 23 freehold the other week which is usually a really popular group and just nobody applied lmao
In accessories and maybe even core right now you should have added having support spec. It sucks that there's only one spec covering it right now with Augmentation evoker, but the truth is having one is literally a free key level and arguably even two. Putting them in the last group is trolling, you can easily feel the difference of having one versus not even in a +15, far more than having things like mark of the wild or not. Along hard cc I would put classes able to drop combat like mages, hunters and rogues, which are mandatory on high Neltharion's lair and Freehold where they allow you to skip hard packs.
its not a super popular thing, but some guardian druids take both (out of the top 50 guardian druids) for certain keys, and certain weeks to help with burst damage mechanics. It's kind of a situational choice, but can be very strong. Meanwhile, After the Wildfire is almost always taken
Everyone that is high-end player knows all this already. All this does is give low end and some mid casuals the elitism illusion to be picky and yet not fully utilizing all that their *META* comp can acomplish on paper.
Yeah, so delete Dk's and Hunters lol. they dont bring off heals or raid buffs, there are better luster, better combat ''ressers'' and better kicks. also amz is a joke after being massive nerfed cause some people were abusing it.
Yeah, what about DAMAGE? I see people doing less than 100k whilst pugging in 20s+. And mostly those idiots dont use their utility, deffs and kicks, making this whole video completely meaningless.
@@lucadesanctis563 I feel that all to much. i struggle to get into 16's sometimes, despite having a 3k+ main, and several timed 18's on my warrior (whos been relegated to an alt for the first time since vanilla 😭) its amazing how many times i see "wow, didn't realise warriors were this good?" on the rare occasion i DO get my own key going. DPS, CC, you name it, im always 1st or 2nd (and im far from a perfect warrior)
@@jbuel031700 never understood why hunters dont get taken. They bring lust (unless MM, I'll never expect them to be the lust bearer), have insane utility, do good damage. Especially surv, many a hunter has effectively lowered the key level for me, even on my main guardian druid
As a healer that ran and failed a key with a Blood DK, 2 s priests (one was doing the same dps as me) and a warlock yesterday… I can confirm a good comp really does help, having to interrupt everything, heal bucket loads of avoidable damage and deal with every single afflicted (apparently) isn’t the most fun I’ve had in a while.
I was healing 11-13 on Afflicted on a Holy Paladin. Run into many people who flat out refuse to do dispel (shadow priest, enhancement shaman, balance druid). So I was healing afflicted M+ on hard mode.
No such thing as hard mode on 11/13s
wooosh LOL@@JohnnyCampbell89
yeah i know what you mean, my bear helps cover as he can but good spriest is so much easier
Great video! Loved that you started with "interrupts" because not all players use or even know what that is 😂
There is one thing missing in the core mate; an Augmentation Evoker
Playing a dps warrior this season is pure torture. Been keystone hero every season since the beginning of BFA and im getting declined for 16s for hours.
my favorite is seeing +16's looking for "Aug Evokers" lol... as if a +16 at this point in the expansion is a real challenge.
Yep I parked my fury warrior. Been working on a frost dk
@@12Beastn if youre not looking for an aug evoker, youre handicapping yourself, theyre broken lol regardless of key level
@@briantaylor5530 As a DK main I say this: You are going to get invited to about as many keys as you would a warrior, top that off with your DPS can be utterly destroyed just by having your tank moving mobs away from your DnD, other than that FDK is fun and is really quite tanky
I think there is a comp called „God comp“ and its guardian druid, hpal, spriest,aug evoker and firemage, might be worth trying👍🏽
It would be cool if you would suggest what would be ideal comps for each class/spec, specially the ones that aint being played as much
Let’s start with a tank. Let’s pick something with a combat ress and a good aoe stop, preferably a soothe. GUARDIAN DRUID comes to mind.
Now we pick a healer with let’s say another combat ress. We have a druid already, dk and warlock can’t heal so it must be a HOLY PALADIN.
Now we need a good utility class with a ranged kick on a shorter cd, some aoe stops and maybe some defensives for the group. You guessed it, AUGMENTATION EVOKER.
That leaves us with 2 dps spots. We have utility now, we have stops, let’s get some niche abilities liiiiike… mass dispell? Mind soothe? Sure, get a SHADOW PRIEST.
Last dps we need must be a good PI recipient since the evoker is not an ideal target. Something with a huge dps that can survive a lot, maybe another group defensive, another ranged kick. Wait… would this be a… it can’t be! Is it…. a FIRE MAGE!
Wow, that sounds like a good comp, let’s have a look if somebody else plays this 🤦🏻♂️
Got it. No hunters, yes evoked, yes paladin.
Why they gotta do hunters like that
Hunters are fine, they have an aoe silence, interrupt, heroism, aoe tether, aoe slow, and single target cc
that no hunters stuff is real... I got a 445 ilvl 2700 io survival hunter that gets instant declined from +17's lol... The best part is after being declined for 20 minutes.. I end up out dpsing second place by nearly 40% in the run I'm finally invited to... This season is rough for non-meta pugging.
@@defenestrationstation5771 That is the dumbest thing i have heard this week.
Aoe silence has a 5yard range from the target you hit has a cast time and it is also worse for damage to pick this talent in the first place.
Interrupt is a ranged one with 24second cooldown.
Blood lust means you LOSE a 2min defensive cooldown AND stamina to survive things.
Sure if there is no one else who can bloodlust it is a good thing to use but if someone else can you rather they do it.
Aoe root requires COMMUNICATION to even trigger and breaks on damage making it far worse then almost anything else in the game.
Tar trap slow is not a big slow is fixed on the ground and mobs do not retain it if they leave the trap, also has an arm time.
Single target CC you mean the freezing trap it is not a true CC and therefor will not be used for skips so much so that people do not even know how to do skips with it as shadowlands proved.
And i can go on just know listing stuff without knowing how the game works like you just did only tells people you do not know anything.
So this video is absolutely perfect for you.
@havtor007 sounds like a bad case of mad because bad. The aoe silence is super easy to hit on packs and I hit that shit all the time and feroicity gives passive leach
Also for someone who is saying I don't know my class you seem to have conveniently forgot intimidation which is the CC I was talking about along with freezing trap and I guess whaling arrow is a bad Talent even though professional Hunters use it in Wowhead guides for m+
Obviously survivability is an issue on highest keys, but that is universal to most classes which is why blizzard is nerfing the difficulty of Mythic pluses.
BM can push up to 20s super easy and you can theory craft all you want on paper but in practice you have a ton of tools
For whatever reason you just have a complex and are convinced Hunters are bad I shouldn't have even responded to you to be honest but it was shocking how someone so wrong could so confidently try to tear someone else down you comquat
I can give a better advice in one sentence. All you need is Augvoker and Hpal, who solve all your kick, lust, brez, st stun, aoe cc, tank survival, group healing problem. Yes, wow is dumb.
i recommend guardian druid, fire mage and shadow priest for the last 3 slots.
I can give even better advice than yours in one sentence. Just play with friends instead of the desolate wasteland of LFG. LFG is just not worth it.
Que times are so high that you just gotta take whoever ques at this point, sometimes it feels game is dead
"Sometimes"
I've had this feeling lately too, I've stopped playing because it felt so dead, I queued up my 23 freehold the other week which is usually a really popular group and just nobody applied lmao
On WoW, you must have the right class, IO score, ilvl, to get group invites. And with all that you still may get rejected while listing. GL!
Yay you didn't mention add-ons at all for this one. That is good.
Thank you! Really good information through the whole video 😎👍🏽
Ouch that hunter dig was harsh
In accessories and maybe even core right now you should have added having support spec. It sucks that there's only one spec covering it right now with Augmentation evoker, but the truth is having one is literally a free key level and arguably even two. Putting them in the last group is trolling, you can easily feel the difference of having one versus not even in a +15, far more than having things like mark of the wild or not.
Along hard cc I would put classes able to drop combat like mages, hunters and rogues, which are mandatory on high Neltharion's lair and Freehold where they allow you to skip hard packs.
what addon you use to see the mobs in a list view?
Where can i see the Talents for m+
I still get 20's done on my hunter no sweat
GODDDDDD COOOOOMP
I play bm, from 0 to 2800 inside of 80 dungeons total. M+ is a joke this season.
I think you made a mistake with Natures Vigil for guardian druids. After The Wildfire is the more powerful passive off healing
its not a super popular thing, but some guardian druids take both (out of the top 50 guardian druids) for certain keys, and certain weeks to help with burst damage mechanics. It's kind of a situational choice, but can be very strong. Meanwhile, After the Wildfire is almost always taken
If u're a War u're screwed anyway. "Dont ignore classes" lol as if ppl are smart enought to understand that meta only works on 22+
Bro i never invite warriors i feel bad
So he basically described for 17min why play meta.
Everyone that is high-end player knows all this already. All this does is give low end and some mid casuals the elitism illusion to be picky and yet not fully utilizing all that their *META* comp can acomplish on paper.
I hate keep it’s blizzards fault
nah augvoker is core...
Yeah, so delete Dk's and Hunters lol. they dont bring off heals or raid buffs, there are better luster, better combat ''ressers'' and better kicks. also amz is a joke after being massive nerfed cause some people were abusing it.
This video is completely irrelevant to the mass player base since they will just pick the meta comps without understanding its meta, aka meta slaves.
Yeah, what about DAMAGE? I see people doing less than 100k whilst pugging in 20s+. And mostly those idiots dont use their utility, deffs and kicks, making this whole video completely meaningless.
Im declined for 18's while doing 100k avg only ciz im a war
@@lucadesanctis563 I feel that all to much. i struggle to get into 16's sometimes, despite having a 3k+ main, and several timed 18's on my warrior (whos been relegated to an alt for the first time since vanilla 😭)
its amazing how many times i see "wow, didn't realise warriors were this good?" on the rare occasion i DO get my own key going. DPS, CC, you name it, im always 1st or 2nd (and im far from a perfect warrior)
@@robotspartan9100i cant even push my key, do i'll take 2,5 k Rio for this season. Better enjoy 10's on alts and summer
I easily do 130-160k overall in every key with 446.8ilvl and 2800 io but because I'm a hunter I can't get invited to keys.
@@jbuel031700 never understood why hunters dont get taken. They bring lust (unless MM, I'll never expect them to be the lust bearer), have insane utility, do good damage. Especially surv, many a hunter has effectively lowered the key level for me, even on my main guardian druid
Why deviate from the meta? It literally has everything you need.