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GTX 1660 Ti Vs RTX 3050 In 2023 - If RT and DLSS Didn’t Exist…
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Some reviewers labelled the RTX 3050 as an "RTX 1660Ti" when it launched three years after Nvidia's once popular mid-range graphics card. The new entry level RTX GPU offered similar performance with added features.
Fast forward to 2023 and the 1660 Ti is quite a bit cheaper than the 3050 on second-hand selling sites, so does it make sense if you want to save a bit of money and don't care about DLSS or Ray Tracing?
0:00 Intro
1:41 Call of Duty Warzone 2.0
2:33 The Witcher 3 Next-Gen
3:09 Forza Horizon 5
3:59 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
4:50 Cyberpunk 2077
5:41 Hogwarts Legacy
6:33 Red Dead Redemption 2 and Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :)
Let me get this straight...We waited 3 years for Nvidia to give us a card that uses the same amount of power to generate the same number of frames at the same price the 1660 Ti cost when it was new...three years ago.
The 3050 is such an amazing product. Almost as good as the RTX 4k series in general. 🤡
The worst part isn't even the garbage Nvidia is selling for ludicrious prices, it's the consumers buying into this shit without thinking twice.
Actually, the 1660 Ti launched at $280 USD and was available at that price. The 3050 launched at $350 and as far as I know has never actually gotten down to that price new. So the new card costs 25%+ more(a lot more when cryto was still a thing) due to the DLSS and RT tax, neither of which is a person likely to use at it's target resolution of 1080P(RT because performance will suck with this class of graphics card, and DLSS because upscaling sucks below 1440P).
Edit:Never mind. I was confused. The 3050 was supposed to launch at $250 and afaik still hasn't gotten down there. So the launch price is cheaper. However, the 1660 Super is like 5% slower than the 1660 Ti and launched at $230 with immediate availablilty(so cheaper than the 3050 and only slightly slower).
And of course one can get something like a RX 6600 for even cheaper which will perform better. Or a 66X0 XT for not too much more which will perform a lot better. Heck, there's even Intel's ARC A750 and A770 available in this price class that can stomp the 3050.
No, it uses even more power, so it's a worse product overall to me.
I live in a country with insane power costs, so I'm one of the few who that is important to.
I'm still running my 1650 super, since it's still one of the best cards when looking at performance per watt and overall wattage used.
Still waiting for a new graphics card that can use the same amount of power and give me more frames, I've stopped holding my breath for it.
Let's not forget that even though the old card doesn't have DLSS we can still use FSR thanks to AMD.
So in the end the only advantage i saw from the 3050 is the lower temperatures although that doesn't mean much with the consumption being similar unless you are in a hot room and your PC is making your room even hotter.
@@pathway4582 what’s wrong with the 4K series ? Yes it went up in price but the price to performance % increase is the same. With modern inflation we expected these prices. I’m just more disappointed at the fact that a 1660ti keeps up with a 3050. I thought the 30 series dominates previous gens at every tier but it seems not
Proud 1660Ti owner, fantastic card for the 80% of games out there that aren't cutting edge AAA games
Same. No intention to upgrade in the foreseeable.
I upgraded from a 1660Ti to a 2080Ti and the 1660Ti impressed me a lot when I got it but the 2080Ti has been a constant disappointment even though it's way more powerful
Nah. Nvidia sucks
You mean 100% of games
And it's not all your fault! Gaming companies haven't been optimizing their games as much, and it's so annoyingggg
i love the gtx 1660s/ti cards, very strong for its price and availability in my country. I have the 1660 super and it's really good and definitely enough for me.
Awesome to know they’re still widely available :)
I also have the 1660 Super and I'm really satisfied with its performance most of the time 🙂 I am gaming at 1080p
@@mr_wildschwein yea, i can play cyberpunk at 1080p high-medium with fsr set to ultra quality and get a 70+ fps smooth gameplay.
@@mr_wildschwein I also love my 1660 super and even lets me play resident evil 4 remake at 90fps on low. Which was surprising to me because that game uses quite a bit of VRAM
@@user--710 resident evil 4 does not actually use that much vram as it seems, it just allocates almost all the memory when it is available. For example the game runs just as good on rtx 3080 as on rx 6800xt but on 3080 its using 9,8GB and on 6800xt 15GB
The cards you show off aren't just for the financially well off. I love the budget Gpu's and hardware that you bring light to with your platform. Well done. Love your content!
Thanks :)
When the 3050 is £70 more on CEX for this marginal a difference, I am very happy with the performance of a 1660 ti! Great video as always
dlss makes the image better and offers better performance so objectively speaking 3050 runs almost 20% faster than 1660 ti in dlss supported games.
@@Arxgxmi agree here. TAA that many people call "native" looks terrible in a lot of games and DLSS just fixes it while adding some performance on top. Games that have DLSS looking not so good can be easily fixed with dll swap (which is almost impossible with fsr though).
@@Arxgxmi Dlss is fucking shit, i dont want to pay more to lower my resolution, it looks like shit especially on 1080p
Also, the 1660 ti has fsr so still if you really need that shit you can use that.
@@costi2596yeah I dont use dlss in most games as it looks clearly worse
@@Arxgxmi Emm..Yeah but you forgot that we can use FSR on the old card. So there goes that 20% out of the window.
I was actually considering getting a 3050 in the marketplace but I think I'll stick with my 1660 Ti for just a bit longer. The price gap is waaaaaay too high for the narrow performance gap. Practically double where I live 😂
EDIT: Just had to clarify that 3050s where I live cost a helluva lot more than 1660 Tis abroad. People over here go gaga over ANY GPU with "RTX" on the box. It's insane.
EDIT 2: Okay, this one's on me. I failed to mention that I upgraded from an RX 570 that I got back in 2018~2019. I just wanted DirectX 12_1 and a GDDR6 GPU on my PCIE 3 motherboard without paying more than what I used to build my PC.
I'm not upgrading for another 2 to 3 years or so. I will say though that my next upgrade will be around a B550, hopefully a Ryzen 7 CPU and a 6600/6700.
I'm just getting as much use as I can out of my current build.
where i live the 1660ti dual fan OC cost the same price as rtx 3050, around 330$ for new one
Get a 6600
@@ristekostadinov2820 I got mine for $143, the only 3050 I can find in the used market right now is around $215. I saw a brand new one at a mall for around $357.
I got lucky with my 1660 Ti. The seller took pretty good care of it.
Try to find a 2070 Super. Its performance is close to that of the 3060 Ti so it'll be a huge upgrade from a 1660 Ti. I managed to get one for around 200 USD.
@@jesusbarrera6916Only used one I could find is the same price as the used 3050 😂
One day.
I love that this channel is still grounded in the reality that most of live in. I bet that only a small percentage of your audience can afford, or will find value in a 4090 and a 13900K or 7800X3D. They’re amazing, but the majority of us are most likely still in the market for much more affordable cards, and it’s a lot more interesting when you can watch cards compete, and actually afford to buy them lol.
Wow-this continues to bode well for the old Steam survey king-the GTX 1060, especially the 6GB variant. With proper adjustments to settings (and expectations), older cards seem to be remaining more and more relevant these days!
image scaling gave my 900 series maybe 2 years more life 😭😭😭
the bad part is with games going in the direction there going with huge vram needs these older cards will be done for in a couple of years atleast in newer AAA Games when i get paid im upgrading from a 2070 super to a 3060 Ti or a 3070 Ti for right now ill get great performance but like i said in a couple years with the low vram i think even those cards will struggle with only 8 gigs
@@davidfrazier6308 that would be a very unwise “upgrade”
@@daytimerocker3808 I thought about going to amd Radeon 6700xt with 16 gb of ram it has the performance of a 3070 but with way more vram
@@davidfrazier6308 yeah don't waste your money going for 3060ti. My wife got me one in 2021 for fathers day. Bless her she doesn't have a clue about tech just knew it was newer then the 2070s I had. Was still super grateful tho It was a side grade at best. Ended up getting a 3070ti in May 2022>3090 December 2022 £560 then the 4070ti this month. Was still super grateful tho. Just look around for bargains. I got a 4070ti from facebook marketplace a few weeks back for £400. Another side grade but sold the 3090 for £675 so my wallet was happy. Don't waste your money like me. My 3070ti is still boxed under my desk LOL.
I am very impressed with how the 1660 Ti was neck and neck with the 3050. I just purchased a 1660 Ti from ebay identical to that one to use with a i7-7700 and after watching your review it looks like I chose just the right card. Thank you for another brilliant comparison video.
I am running the 1660 ti with an I5 10400 , I have no complaints
I have an omen that I upgraded to i7-7700 and 1660s. It is still a beast!!
Whats really interesting to me is how cool the 3050 runs, 20 degrees cooler across the board. Seems like a really OCable card with temps like that which might give it a good edge.
He used a freaking dell GPU lmao my 1660s ventus its like 70 degrees with a strong OC
1660 ti has always been underrated in my opinion.
Bad price brandnew though
I have both, GTX 1660 TI and RTX 3050. The cards are very close in terms of performance with a small advantage for the RTX 3050 on motherboards with PCIe gen 4.0.
On PCIe gen 3 motherboards the situation is a little different. The GTX 1660 TI is a PCIe 3.0 x16 and 192 bits video card. Like the RX 6600, the RTX 3050 only has 8 PCIe lanes and on PCIe gen 3 motherboards it will only have half PCIe bandwidth of the GTX 1660 TI. This half PCIe bandwidth will cause stuttering in more demanding games like The Last of Us Part I.
I *strongly* advise investing in some cheap thick thermal pads for that Dell 1660 Ti so the VRAM can made *some* contact with the cooler. Gamer's Nexus teardown of the Dell 1660 Super (same cooler), and the VRAM got really hot in their tests. I would expect the silicon to degrade and die sooner on those cards if precaution isn't taken. You can also remove or modify the plastic shroud to improve thermals as well.
AFIK, OEMs like Lenovo and Acer use the same crappy design. However, HP has a different cooler (on the 1660, 1660 Super, and 1660 Ti) with copper heatpipes, and they actually put thermal pads on the VRAM.
I've got a Dell 1660 Super card, and that was the first thing I did.
But now that you mention it, in his video from a couple of days ago, he mentioned that this card works fine sometimes, and not others. It makes me wonder if it is a memory issue, specifically the memory that isn't making contact with the heatsink.
@@rustybobdotca How thick should the thermal pads be for this card?
I bought my 1660ti new when it came out in 2019 and so far I will be keeping it for sure, just changed the thermal pads and paste recently.. I am planning on updating it when 1440p high refresh rate monitors and a decent GPU to run it are at a better price... So far I don't feel the need to make that jump yet ...great video thanks 😊
In my corner of the world(the Philippines), the RTX 3050 is nearly twice the price of the GTX 1660 super/ti. In fact, it's more expensive than a RX 6600 XT. It's crazy how expensive RTX gpus are here.
Yep, Nvidia gimmicky marketing make us all suffer. Sad for SEA customer like us because distributor just can set price whatever they like ignoring msrp
Over here
The 3050 is cheaper
I've been using my 1660Ti laptop for almost 3 and a half years, still no problems running anything I throw at it (I don't tend to play the newest AAA games tho), that paired with my 1080p 144Hz monitor feels amazing, I doubt I'll update any time soon :)
The laptop version of 1660 ti is better than the 3050 as the laptop 3050 has only 4gb of vram and in some games the performance drops way below that of 1660ti once those 4gb are exceeded.
Fair enough just steer clear of Ryzen 7000 chips for now.
Comparing a GTX 1070 to both of these cards would've been interesting as well.
Its weaker, about 20% weaker i think.
The 1080 or 1080 ti on the other hand are faster than both.
the 1660 series is like 750, works for a long time...1070 wouldve been worse bc higher TDP and possibily driver support would end sooner
@@mihkus 1070 came out in 2016 and runs games just fine still. It can also be found extremely cheap in most places nowadays compared to the other two cards. The 1070 used to be neck & neck with these two cards. The only reason I can see it being slower nowadays is Nvidia intentionally not supporting the card.
@@costi2596 the 1070 is just as fast as the 1660 Ti while also having more VRAM
@@markokojicic Nope, its slower.
Its about on level with the 1660 super
You're the best budget channel ever everyone is high end crazy this really helps 🙂💪
If you get a cheap 1660 Super or Ti of the triple fan variety, you're in for some cool and fairly capable 1080p gaming. I've tried 5 different 1660 super cards when I had a mining rig, and I wanted to see how well they fared temperature wise and performance. Sadly most of the dual fans and single fan varieties are noisy and runs quite hot, but they do deliver a steady performance. Crazy to see how cheap they are now compared to when mining on eth was a thing, I paid close to 400 euro per card, now they sell for 100-150.
Wow I was genuinely considering upgrading some time in the future from my 1660ti to something like a 3000 series but I wasn’t expecting these close comparisons at all. Im sticking with this card for a bit longer ig
This is really just the 3050 the 3000 series is amazing just DO NOT COMPARE THE REST TO A 3050
This 100%.
The 50 cards are the budget cards. If you compare a 1660ti to a 3060ti, you’ll start to see the power difference become much more apparent.
that 1660ti is running hot as hell. those temps would make me nervous
I've been running a GTX 1660-S with my Ryzen 5 2nd gen since late 2019. I play most games at 2K resolution with medium to high settings. The 1660-S/Ti is an absolute gem as far as price to performance and it'll take a lot for me to want to upgrade.
Good work with the video, feel like this really high lights the staying power of the 16-Series cards.
@El Cactuar By 2K I meant 2560x1440.
@@n19811978
Please, god. If you want to call it 2K, at least call it 2,5K. It just creates too much confusion otherwise...
I run a 1660 and I'm really happy with it honestly, won't be looking to move on for a good few more years.
Kinda sad that it was 5 years ago I'm guessing the 1660ti came out.... 5 years later they are still releasing shitty expensive junk..... Holding everything back for next gen games
1660 Ti still holds up pretty well for 1080p and it probably will for years due to FSR/XeSS
Just fsr , xess doesn't work well on non intel cards
@@lynackhilou4865
XeSS does work on non-Intel cards, seems to work
better on Intel cards though.
@@tj3495 yes it does work but it's not very good , with the quality setting you get worse performance than native for a slightly worse looking image with more artefacts.
Xess on intel cards though is pretty good , better than fsr in some aspects even
My man out here doing the lords work with these comparisons. Great video as always!
My EVGA 1660TI serving me since march 2019 for 300euros ! Best purchase I've ever made!
Asus 1660ti phoenix OC dual ball bearing ...
1st gpu in my 1st pc
Now rocking tuf rtx 3060ti
Awesome card and the best numbered card ever
1660ti just has a ring to it
This benchmarks and comparisons were vital for budget buildersand people thinking of an upgrade.
1080p gaming's so cheap nowadays. Love it
Used to be a victim of the RTX 3050 scam, but I returned it and got a RX 6600.
Great video. It would've been interesting a small comparison in low Ray tracing settings.
Surprised the 1660 ti ran such similar performance numbers while running 20 degrees hotter. Wonder what it would do if it had a better cooling solution.
2080super owner here.
Cyberpunk 4k with medium RT- stable 20fps
Cyberpunk 1440 with full RT- stable 59fps.
This card is 300 euros new, brand new.
Each day I'm considering more and more to switch from 3050 to 6700xt as they're going for about 300€
if possible just wait until the 7700 (xt) amd cards to release to make that decision. if its not what you need or like, the 6700xt will be there and, more than likely, further discounted.
Honestly just wait for the 7700XT at this point.
@@ERMMM420 The 7800xt and below are being delayed, presumably because amd is trying to implement hardware fixes on navi 32 before releasing gpus based on those dies.
Over here its a joke
Rtx 3050 is 11500
And the rx 6600 xt is like 17500
Not worth it honestly
I got the 3050
Not worth it to pay 6k more for like 15-20 more fps
@@ERMMM420 yes I had my mouse cursor over a 6700xt almost puling the trigger a day ago but when 7700xt appears the price of the previous one probably will drop even more, Maibe I keep my 5500xt 8g until that time, but I have to change the motherboard and power sorce that’s the problem
Got my 1660ti in 2019 on sale for $180 best decision I have made in computing. Passed it down to my sons PC still runs everything he wants to play.
86 degrees on 1660 ti at 2:51
hotspot shoud be around 90+ most of the time while the power consumption of 3050 is a bit higher thus I would not consider getting this single fan version of 1660. Anyway 1660 holds up really well against a new gen budget.
So? Everything below 120 in within specs. My 980 ti gets almost 110 degrees but still boosts as high as it can.
I actually bought a 1660Ti last year, but had to return it, because I had problems with it on my (then) intel system. I'm glad that I did, because now the prices of cards have dropped to the point when I'm going to be upgrading to I think a Rx 6800 16GB. Quite the upgrade from the 1660Ti I almost had lol
Just got a 1660Ti for $110 used. It shreds everything medium settings 1440p. It’s perfect for a htpc! I tend to prefer games with medium-high settings, a lot of “ultra” setting create noise and artifacts imo. Wish more reviewers would review hardware with mixed settings that provide performance and visual fidelity. 1660Ti is paired with a R5 3600
6:02 spat my brew out 😂
I got a few Asus TUF Gaming 1660 ti EVO OC for $199.99 on an Amazon sale. Great for 1080P high detail gaming.
I wouldn't worry about ray tracing in this class of card but DLSS seems like a super useful tech in a lower tier card. Might keep that 3050 giving a decent experience in AAA games for longer into the future.
It's good as a tech demo I guess.
I got annoyed back in 2011 because I bought a GTX560ti 1GB , The vram was fine apparently until it wasn't...
Then I made the same mistake with a GTX970 3.5+0.5GB and it looks like I've messed up again with a 3070ti 8GB.
I swear my next card is going to be AMD and have a ton of Vram.
@@Jasontvnd9 Im having similar feelings in the VRAM department. As in, it's a huge advantage of the red team that they offer more VRAM. Intel offers a bunch for the price also. Would/will be great to have a real third option in a gen or 3.
@@Jasontvnd9 16gb to 20gb of VRAM will probably be the sweet spot for awhile, assuming you care about texture quality.
Dlss on 1080p sucks. After 1440p dlss start to shine
I own the 1660 ti and love to see these comparisons.
In theory, with ray tracing on, the 3050 would perform worse, so it's not really worth it.
I’m still gaming on a 1660 ti in 1080P High Detail in most games.
Love my 1660-Ti. Eventually I'll get something that can do all the modern RTX stuff (not a 3050!) but every time I say "should I?" I think "nah, this card is still good for another year...".
The 3050 is priced sort of in no man's land both new and used right now. 1660 Ti/Super is the way to go for sure.
I managed to grab a 3050 8GB for $70 for my first pc build going to soon upgrade it though to the 4070 ti super
GTX 1660 Ti is still a great budget "low power" card. I still love it for what it is at the price I paid.
Noticing, the 1660ti temps are around 83°c on the hogwarts legacy (havent checked others), i wonder if it would perform better with a better cooler, because the gpus like to boost if there is thermal headroom
same
the 3050 avg T⁰ is around 65-70⁰C, peak clkspd at around 1990MHz; where as 1660Ti peaks almost at 90 (
@@ryujinayato1623 I mean, the cooler itself can be just worse on the specific 1660ti
Nice comparison,good job like always RandomGhD.1070,1660ti and the 3050 are about the same performance level, still relevant for 1080p gaming with some adjustments here and there :)
Ah I used to have a 1660TI, powerful card, although I always hated it because I had choppyness issues in games.....turns out games just all run differently, and that's just normal. Got a RTX 3070Ti now, and a completely different system too, still do have choppyness in games, but because I run at 144hz and higher framerate, I can ignore it mostly.
Nice upgrade. Optimisation of games is so hit and miss these days
Choppyness, if you mean stutters with this term, is because of too small VRAM size. Once it's filled up it will spill to system RAM and this causes the stutters. It just takes too long store/fetch
@@MrFWStoner yeah it could be the issue ( and it is in a few games ) but in my experience with a 3070 it rarely is , if you check vram usage at 1440p it rarely exceeds 8gb especially if you're not using ray tracing and use dlss quality , but you still get shader compliation stutters or when a game is loading an area and stuff like that , so while it's generally smooth there are optimization issues
Also stutters are caused by the cpu as well and probably even more so than the gpu in recent games
@@lynackhilou4865 what CPU do you use? Do you have XMP and Resizable BAR enabled on your system?
@@MrFWStoner yes they are enabled , currently i have a 5700x .
My experience in games in generally smooth with this combo aside from badly optimized games like callisto protocol and the last of us which still offer a decent experience but they have really weird cpu limits , although when i had an i5 9400 it was more stuttery even when the game wasn't really cpu limited
it might be worth to keep in mind that the 3050 runs in about all cases roughly 20°C cooler, which can be andthing from neglectable to absolutely needed depending on ur living conditions etc
yes, this is a big factor for me. i don't like my pc parts running hot because that's the number one cause of components degrading and shorter lifespan. i live in a hot country and i don't have air conditioning where the pc sits so the temp is a big thing to consider.
yeah i thought that was the most conspicuous difference between the cards. having said that, my 1660ti never exceeds 69 celcius ever under torture - but that's a twin-fan card. still, good to know the 3050's clearly the better choice in space-limited or airflow-limited builds.
@@ciderandthorazine noice *👌*
I have an RTX 3050 laptop and I run cyberpunk with an average of medium settings, all raytracing on with rt lighting on medium, dlss performance at 1080p 30fps.
Great video! I think you should push a bit more the settings though, to see more difference between cards.
What up RGHD. I miss the value of the 1660 Ti. We need a good value nVidia GPU back on the market.
Was such a good card
Yeah, also GTX 1660 Super was 220€ here, good GTX 1060 successor. I still have a GTX 1060 6GB, I think I will keep it at least 2 more years, maybe until it turns 10 years old. Still enough for my games (FH5, GTA V, older NFS), but maybe it is time to upgrade when GTA 6 is released.
how sad is it that the best value NVIDIA gpu of the past three years ended up being the 3060 12gb... WTF moment
Man. I've had the 1660Ti since August 2019. It was my first gaming PC, and this was my first GPU. I have to say, it did a job. That card basically ran everything at 1080p60. Some games could handle Ultra quality, although most could hit consistent 60fps at medium settings (such as Red Dead Redemption 2 or Assassin's Creed Origins). Overall, in 2023, it's still a decent card, as long as you aren't trying to play modern games on it. I think at this point, 45fps is realistic for modern games at 1080p on the card at high/medium settings. Low isn't even worth the toggle, looks like shit most of the time.
I'm finally upgrading to a 3070Ti. Should be at least double the speed but we'll see. I was struggling to get a consistent 60fps with Spiderman Remastered at 1080p in the overworld and battles were like 30-40fps so I was like fuck it I'm gonna need to upgrade now if I want to play the modern games in my Steam library.
1660Ti is a very good card for 1080p60 gaming for games that released up until 2019. Games released after 2020 and beyond, the card will struggle imo, medium settings at 1080p at best maybe depending on the optimisation.
1660 Super (199€) vs 3050 (239€) comparison would be nice
Still using GTX1660ti. It is a good card for 1080p. Just too bad it doesn't have DLSS. Otherwise, I can use it a bit longer for demanding games. Quite a bargain now to get it in used market.
I've used this card exactly for 3 years, from 2020 and I've got a sweet spot for it, being my first ever card. Very solid, ran a lot of games at high settings and got above 60 fps.
You might actually see a wider gap in non-gaming tasks due to the 3050 having native fp16 support.
Yeah, the problem is getting someone to actually *do* those tasks and compile them in a visible outlet. Non-gaming benchmarks are non-existent on RUclips. I don't mind RGinHD not doing them, since Brit Steve is solely focused on gaming, but outside of LTT's brief mentions and some specialty channels like EposVox, most graphics card reviews boil down to "can it play da game?" It sucks that then they'll rip into features missing, but never bother to mention or test them in other reviews. I hardly do anything practical with my GPU outside of video encoding, but it's nice to get a full picture.
Also, don't the RTX cards have a feature that drop like one or two 0's from a matrix if they're there? Saw it in a Tom's Hardware piece, and the results were interesting.
@@EbonySaints I do understand that this channel has "gaming" in the title 😉, but I thought it was worth mentioning. It also doesn't help that gameplay footage is more visually compelling than rendering a video or running an AI process.
Funny to think that the 3050 has 8 gigs of VRAM and its successor is going to come with less than that.
no way Nvidia is actually going to go through with that... It would be reputation suicide... I hope they drop doing a 4050 and just put out super versions of the 40 series with a usable amount of VRAM...
@@salmon_wine AMD done that with rx 6500xt. Sadly, its a okay-ish budget card, but only 4gb killed it.
@@salmon_wine The specs of the entire Ada stack have been out for a while from the 4090 down to the 4050. The 4050 has 6 gigs of VRAM on a 96 bit bus.
@@riven4121 that's the 4050 mobile gpu. i don't think the desktop 4050 will have 6 gb.
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata They both will. They're the same GPU, the difference is the mobile one has altered clock speeds and TDP.
Both the desktop and mobile 4050 have 6 gigs of VRAM. That's why I said it's no mistake. The entire Ada product stack was leaked months ago.
It would be interesting to see the same tests with a pcie v3 system.
Lots of people are still running pre 11th gen intel systems.
Yeah true. I think it would still be similar
Memory bandwidth limits the 3050 128-bit(224) vs 192-bit (288) in the 1660ti
"... Both cards managed solid figures, 69fps *nice*..." 6:00
😂👌👌👌
"Can it keep up?" .... the answer to that is always the same: it depends on what you're running, and at what settings. The majority of games out there really don't need anything THIS powerful, and if you're concerned about price, turn shadows and ray tracing down some. Yeah yeah everybody likes to worship ray tracing, but to be quite honest... once you get past the "oooo" and "ahhh" of loading into an area in a game, and actually start _playing_ the game, you are probably not going to notice it much. People _say_ they do, but they're deceived. Up until earlier this year, I used a 1050ti and it was fine. I put a 3050 in the PC I built back in January, but that was mainly because I had lost the Silicon Lottery with my 1050ti, kept having weird random crashes in a few games (that persisted through not one, but *two* fresh OS installs!), and ever since I built this new machine, I don't get the crashes anymore. If you're concerned with budget and price, there's absolutely nothing wrong with older cards, especially if you're willing to go down to 1440p or better yet, 1080p. I gamed at 1080p for the longest time until I got a 1440p native display and sometimes I still run games at 1080p for various reasons. If you go down to 1080p, _many_ cards, even as far back as the 1050ti, can handle many games on the market if you don't mind turning a few features down a little (and assuming you're not running poorly optimized crap that was just released a month ago, like CP2077 when it first came out).
In closing, this isn't the early 2000s anymore where games being released won't run on 6 month old hardware. This isn't the 2000s where the next line of hardware is 30, 40, 50% more performance. We're getting to a plateau where the % gains in performance are getting smaller and smaller, and the newest equipment is getting more and more expensive. This also means that games can run on old hardware, sometimes up to 3-5 years old, and Indie/Small publisher games are on the rise and becoming far more prevalent. There's more Hollow Knights being released and fewer CP2077s, and even the large studios are making games that will run on older hardware and aren't trying to push the bar anymore because gamedev for that sort of thing is getting prohibitively expensive and it ends up being too much of a risk.
In my SFF system I have an ROG Strix 1660ti. Great card 4 years later still does its job.
I have the same card
1660Ti owner here and it's not getting replaced anytime soon 😎
Half a million subscribers now. Wow, well done.
Interesting results there. I would personally go with the 1660 Ti (even though it has less VRAM) because it is significantly cheaper for similar results to a 3050. And if Cyberpunk and Hogwarts can be played at 1080p medium, you don't need FSR (or DLSS) just yet.
yep the extra money for the 3050's vram is almost useless unless you like to play sub 60fps target. as anything that would use more than 6gb of vram is not something either card is playing at 60fps or more avg frames.The whole panic on Vram usage is really for the bleeding edge with ray tracing at 4k settings. The ram usage on the other hand man was hogwarts eating that up at over 16gb used.
Thanks for the evidence to shut the VRAM whiners up.
Also, I keep forgetting that some people like R for reload, it's jarring every single time.
The real question is, does Ray Tracing have any future, or are other features catching up on it, to make this technique obsolete? That is my real question. Personally I have the GTX1660 Super. Is that better or less than the TI version? Anyway. I was pretty much blown away by my graphics card when I started RE Village,. When I was walking around the house and seeing all these insane textures and detail in the environment, I was like, who needs an almost $2000 graphics card when it already looks this realistic and awesome? In addition, we have the fact that many game developers optimize their games very poorly, which negates the power, and therefore the value of most graphics cards. I therefore believe that if everyone had a high-end card, most game developers would become even lazier and optimize their games even worse. Even in these days when having a 1660 is the average, you still see a lot off games being released that struggle to run at decent settings and frame rates on these 1660 cards.
I've posted about this potential issue many times, but at the moment it seems to be something tech channels just aren't looking into. I suppose that's not surprising since it's probably hard to tell whether poor coding is due to lack of skill among the devs or deliberate policy.
True though, raster techniques keep improving. Have a look at the recent video by bluedrake42 concerning a game still in development called Unrecord, it will blow your mind.
My gripe with RT effects is that they fool gamers into thinking the game is therefore better even though the end product often has little functional immersion to justify the supposedly impressive visuals. Or to put it another way, I don't care how realistic water may look in a game, it's surely more important that it's actually wet and can behave as such, with all consequent relevant properties. Same for fire, smoke, mud, etc. This notion applies more generally, a door that can't be open isn't a door (eg. baked textures), a tap that can't be turned on and off isn't a tap, and so on. Functional immersion can delight and surprise the player, giving depth and life to a game world; it's partly why Duke Nukem was so loved back in the day, little things in the game which behaved as their visual appearance implied, such as getting cans out of vending machines, using a phone booth, flushing a toilet, etc., with good sound effects to match. As visual realism increases, I believe the jarring effect of an object that cannot be used or behave as its appearance would suggest will just all the more annoying.
This is why there are some games which are not that high up the realism scale, but they have a lot of functional immersion and are thus far more interesting and fun to play, such as Subnautica, The Forest, The Solus Project, etc. Ideally, visual realism and functional immersion should go hand in hand, with the right balance providing a continual sense of progression and achievement as the game unfolds. Subnautica does this especially well. An example though of a game which implemented this poorly is Elite Dangerous, it became very broad in scope but extremely shallow in terns of functional immersion that made any sense.
An irony of al this is that there are therefore dozens of older games that have a great deal of gameplay depth which do not require even a modern midrange card to run well, something like a 1060 6GB will handle them just fine. RDR2 is one of the few games I've played that has a decent degree of functional immersion while also providing excellent visuals, but it's not without its flaws, especially a predictable encounter engine and the use of an existence bubble which can sometimes spoil object interaction a little, but overall it's done pretty well, and it's the first game I've played in years which gave me any sense of desiring something better than my 1080 Ti just so that I could bump up the visuals some more. Having said that, I'll likely only play through RDR2 once, whereas I've played Subnautica several times (including the sequel).
Not sure about Super vs. Ti, but search for both with Anandtech GPU bench included in the search, should bring up the relevant AT database page where you can directly compare the two.
There's an excellent old article about this subject called, "Reflections on Cyberspace Development", by Simon Birrell. I'll try posting the article URL in a followup post after this, not sure if it will work since YT tends not to like web refs now.
yea the 1660 ti still works fine i'm using it no problem even with re 4 remake easy 60 fps good quality settings 1080p ofc
I still use my 1660Super, overwatch /wow/Division are my games and they play really really good.
That's better than I expected.
It's funny that people think RT/DLSS at the 3050 level are worth paying huge premiums for. You ain't gonna be raytracing much on a 3050 boyo
super cool, i have a 1660ti in my second rig and its nice to know that if i wanted to, it'll do!
Still rockin on my 1660 super, card can run almost all games smoothly at 1080p great little beast 💪💪💪
Thank you as always for your videos, I do really enjoy them. Just a not please always include the fortnite gameplay just for the unreal engine 5 comparison it is really helpful.
I have a 1660 Super and get 60-90fps at 1080p, high settings on most modern games, and a consistent 120fps in basically all older ones. I dont need much else 🤷🏻♂️
You’ve just saved me a lot of money. Still going to stick with my 1660!
Your choice
If the 3050 is way more expensive in your country then the 1660 is worth it
But if you were looking to upgrade then the 3050 is a terrible choice
Go for the 3060ti if you are looking for a high upgrade
I think RT does not exist for a 3050 either, even though it has them fancy RT cores. :D
Wait what? Interesting, i remember back when I heard that gtx cards would be getting rt support, although I don’t know how long that’s taken to add as I’ve gotten more distracted by other things in life than the computer industry
@@greendude0420 If cards like a 3070 with specialized RT cores struggle with RT, imagine what computing RT without RT cores would to to a GTX card. =)
@@PotatMasterRace slideshow FPS 😅
6:01 Nice.
This looks to be the closest comparison I've seen yet. Almost exactly the same frames and highs and lows lmao
Take into account inflation and its a different story. The 1660ti was about £260 at launch in 2019. That's £290 in 2022 and £310 in 2023. Possibly more. The 3050 has never been available in the uk at a decent price so to hell with it. At £230 it should have been a good card; 2gb more vram, modern architecture and newer capabilities at a lower cost but nvida have keep production low to keep prices high.
To me, the 1660 Ti is the new budget meta card with many of them to be found around $100-120 USD, YMMV.
Thanks I wanted to see a video like this tbh, also itx gpus are adorable
Its strange how 1536 cuda cores, older archetecture may be show semilar performance that is 2560 modern.
You can add the 1660 super here too since it's basically the same card as these two
Yeah good point. Near identical performance
I just can't discount DLSS, it was an absolute champ when I was on og 2070, given a choice I would definitely go with 3050.
It can use FSR, lol
@@AndersHass FSR look like ass to me, tried it in few different games just for fun, and hoo boy it just not ready for prime time.
going with the RTX 3050 would mean to pay at least $100 more than a used 1660 Ti for what is essentially a rebranded 1660 Ti with some RT cores. Might as well just turn $100 into shreds
@@matthias6933 it costs just about 30-35% more in my country. I will gladly pay that for DLSS + 8GB of VRAM.
@@KissesLoveKawaii overall FSR doesn't look as good as DLSS but it very much depends on what version of each one is using (the newer version the better it tend to be for the respective upscaler).
I hate to ask because I'm not that kind of viewer (I think making demands of a RUclipsr is crass) but I would love to see a comparison between the 4070 and the 3080. I'm sure some other (biased as hell, untrustworthy) RUclips channels might have done a comparison, but I don't trust 90% of tech RUclipsrs, especially because most of them are likely sponsored by Nvidia's 40 series AIB manufacturers, and wouldn't tell the truth.
I've mentioned getting a 1660 Ti before and this is pretty much the reason why. For me, the price difference ended up being nearly 140 USD difference, so it was a no brainer. That said, I can see wanting a 3050 for ray tracing, since it's gotten much better these days, and I know it's AI performance is better too, which I do enjoy messing around with. But for gamers, the 1660 Ti is just a better option just considering the price difference.
Also to note for perspective, being over $100 difference at this price bracket means nearly being double the price of a 1660 Ti, so it matters so much compared to something like 7900 XTX vs 4080 comparisons.
at that price difference you can probably compare the 3050 to a 2060,2060 super or the 2070/s cards in your area which are all above the 3050
@@Demon09-_- That is a good point, however I was also looking for GPUs that only drew around the amount of power they both do for various reasons. Hence why I was looking at them (along with the RX 5600 XT) at the time.
@@bigbear514 if power cost are bad where you are make sure to undervolt that 1660 ti as you can save some power and heat and lose no performance
i replaced my 1660 ti in janurary, but i was happily playing Cyberpunk on 2k on medium settings, i was able to play on ultra settings too but i prefered the higher frames of the medium. it lasted me a long solid while, a card i remember fondly
@El Cactuaruh, no? 2k = 1440p
The 3050 was the next tier of GPU below the 3060
The 1660 ti was the next tier of GPU below the 2060
So, they essentially occupy the same tier of GPU in 2 consecutive generations
The fact that both of them perform essentially the same and pull the same power is pretty horrible. And the 3050's MSRP was just $30 than the 1660 ti.
By contrast, the 1660 ti was on par with the prior gen's 1070. And at a lower TDP as well.
The only actually good value Ampere GPUs [MSRP] were the 3080, 3070, and 3060 ti. Everything else was either ridiculously overpriced, or underpowered.
The 4000 series is just a continuation of this BS.
This. The only reason the 1070 struggles is the lack of driver optimization for Pascal cards these days otherwise it would still embarrass these cards and offer similar performance for 150W or so power
My GTX 1660 6gb (overclocked) performs similarly to these 2 cards.. what??
Anyways, I run my GTX 1660 6gb with an i7 4770 and 32gb of ram. It runs most games very smoothly and over 60fps. I also run VR on it all of the time, and my cpu is holding it back.
So overall, it's still an amazing card in 2023. I picked mine up for $85 used on eBay, a great small upgrade from my 1650 super single fan, which was absolutely dying when playing VR.
That's because he's using the absolute worst examples of the cards.
I've been using a 1660 Super for the last 3 years and It handled everything well. I just built a new rig and went with an A770.
FYI for anyone looking at buying a 1660 super/ti don't go for the Asus Phoenix model, the cooler is as bad if not worse than oem models
The video I didn't knew I needed 😲
Bought the card 4 years ago, completed over 100 games during those years.
Honestly, new GPUs are tempting. But considering the 9400f, 550 W and 4 years old motherboard that I have at the moment, a non-bottleneck upgrade would cost me the same as buying new cpu. Beside that, look at the graphic of AAA games, small detail improvement for costly upgrade.
If you increase the Graphics Presets all the way upto the Max you will see that the difference between their performance will also drop to the extent of only 4-5% on average I guess.
1660 TI running pretty warm there.
Plug the 3050 into pcie gen4 and ddr5 ram, like it supposed to be.
Got ours for backup card at 219 refurb b4 the Christmas gouge. Apples, oranges, and sleepy buyers.