This is the same agency that shot the hell out of the squad car because the deputy thought a falling acorn was a gun shot. I think this sheriff’s department is f-ked!
Wonder if they rehired the acorn cop back? Online cops said he quitting was enough no charges. And they are claiming this was a qualified shot. Fellow that said that was a lawyer for the police.
I know fwb well and most cops there are good guys. and this apartment was not a bad place...it was a nice place in fact and in a good area. I doubt anyone had ever just opened a door to a cop there at that apartment holding a gun...if he had waited for him to raise the gun he could very well be dead. so whine all you crybabies want, that pd aint charging that cop for any crime - its not some woke blue state dem run $hithole where they hate cops and love thugs and punks.
100% agree with this assessment. I like the Fascist characterization in the closing because we, in effect, are living in a police state today as long as this ridiculous qualified immunity remains on the books. Also, the apartment manager is an idiot for calling the police on hearsay, second hand at that.
Bad shoot if he would’ve been visible in the peephole i guarantee the airman would’ve opened the door the first time without a firearm cop should be charged
@@akman45304Yeah. It always cracks me up, and makes me a little sad, to see the 2A community falling all over itself to defend a cop for a shooting that would rightfully have one of us peons in jail for a long time.
Everyone needs to call the Governor's office and demand charges and to rebuild this Sheriff's department. This is the same department as the Acorn cop.
Thank you, for telling it EXACTLY as it happened. I’m a former police officer, myself, and this shooting is most likely how the officer practiced giving verbal commands and immediately shooting as he gave said commands.
Had a roommate once, apparently was having a party before I got home, very loud. I got home Noone else there. Cop showed up a few minutes later, no announcement, just a guy with a flashlight and a gun. I met them the same way. Before he did anything else, he announced Police officers, drop the gun. Did. Situation was resolved in minutes.
This was some strange thinking by the deputy given the circumstances. If he thought it was going to be as dangerous as he seemed to think it was, with him hiding away from the door, why didn't he get backup to help him out? Sadly, his actions were the same thing we saw from an Arizona officer not that long ago, with the knocking and hiding and then shooting someone who answers the door with a gun because they are concerned for their own safety. It's sad. 😔
As a Brit who watches lots of police body cam footage. Alot of the time the cop says something and in less than 1 second later starts shooting. Its a no win situation for the potential innocent person on the receiving end.
There are some in the gun community that agree with you. And I do also. I can't say it's a race issue but it was definitely a bad cop, bad decision and a total extinction of a legally armed American citizen
THANK YOU!! It’s about time someone told it like it is. It’s really not a difficult situation to assess. People are making it so, in an attempt to make excuses for the cop
Where did any of us individually sign anything agreeing to have a "protector"/cop,, why are people hiring body guards when they already have tax paid protection that should be available. 😂
The renter should not have answered the door at all. There were no exigent circumstances, the cop had no warrant or right to force entry and no criminal activity was taking place in the Airman's apartment. Plus their are plenty of criminals who pound on doors shouting police.
@@markthe2nd741we not gestapo second who answer fucking door with a gun with the police there o own plenty you know how many times I answered door with it in my hand not never am not a coward play stupid games win stupid prizes
@@markthe2nd741 and second you do have to answer door when law enforcement knock but I let you find out what happens when you don't answer door they don't need warrants to knock and question you only to search house unless there is probably cause then they don't need
@@jaredkirchner4817 You still don't have to answer the door if they don't have a warrant. It's illegal for them to break down your door unless they know there is a crime in progress or they have a warrant. If you're under suspicion of a crime all they can legally do is put you under observation. There is the caveat that cops don't always know or follow the law. In fact, more often than not, they don't.
You left out a contributing factor in the learned behavior: the Supreme Court. They have held that the police behavior leading up to the event isn’t a mitigating factor in whether or not the fear for an officer’s life is justified. Only the actions the very moments before count. So these cops can be trained that they can and should behave this way, and Supreme Court precedent protects them from any consequences.
First off folks if your not expecting something and someone knocks on your door and then hides from the peephole DO NOT OPEN the door! Arm yourself and call the police. You never know who's on the other side of the door. If you know it a uniform police officer and there is no reason a police officer should be at your door still don't open the door unless he is holding up a warrant!
Yeah, call the cops so they can serve and protect the hell out of you just like they did Philando Castile, Ryan Whitaker and SrA Fortson, among many others.🙄
Fair analysis. I am deeply saddened when law enforcement react emotionally out of fear. Or whatever the cause. A young local airman. Here in Tampa Bay area
If he was an active airman, does anyone know if the Air Force can/will investigate and if so, have any influence on if the policeman involved is brought up on any charges? It would be nice to think that, if you're serving your country, the military will do what they can to help their service member, even when off-base.
Literally can't comment on your video. Big brother censorship on this video is insane. Social media has a monopoly on the thoughts you're allowed to publicly express and you can't say anything bad about big brother, even if you don't use any bad words. They're censoring bad thoughts now too
I’m in law enforcement myself and agree with your take on this situation. Definitely not a good shoot and proper action should be taken! It’s a sad situation and I do so wished it hadn’t have happened. I believe the guy in the apartment did what a normal and reasonable person would have done in this situation being in fear for what was going on outside his door. It’s clear in the body cam video that it wasn’t an immediate threat, being the firearm wasn’t pointed at anyone. The deputy was just a bit trigger happy. Just my opinion as everyone has one 🇺🇸⚡️TCB⚡️🇺🇸
Thank you. I've noticed this is the first time in a very, very, very long time that LEOs of every stripe have gone on record and condemned the actions of the deputy and laid bare their feelings regardless of pushback and backlash. A comedian once said, "Yes, there are good and bad cops, but where are they when bad cops commit crimes?" Finally, we see a vocal shift to that narrative. Instead of talking heads Monday morning quarterbacking, we have on-duty and retired LEOs putting their foot down and calling BS on the current state of law enforcement. Something has got to change. I see myself in that young man. I can't count how often I've answered my door with my weapon. I'm also a person of color, so the apprehension and fear that something negative may go down if the individual at my door is a cop "just doing their job" and mistaking me for a criminal is always present. The worst incident of me being profiled, with a cop ready to pull his service weapon on me, was at, of all places, a VA hospital. A disturbance call went out for VA cops to remove a disruptive veteran; the call gave the description and name of the vet. This was traspiriong outside the hospitol under a cookout veranda. About twenty vets were bar-b-queing, and one in their number was screening and yelling. I was about 100 feet away, reading a book and smoking a cigarette on a bench. When the cops arrived, they looked at the group and the disruptive vet and approached me. Both had their hands on their weapons and screamed for my ID. As the lead asked for the ID, the other one tried to flank me, but he had a death stare on his face. Before I did something they would regret, the person who called yelled, "He's not the one!" He then pointed to the vet in question and the lead cop walked over and kindly told the vet to calm down and leave. The other cop who tried to circle me still had his hand on his sidearm. The lead cop returned and said, "We're clear" on his radio. I thought it was over until the lead cop still asked for my ID. I calmly stood up, gathered my belongings, and walked to my POV without saying anything. The suspect was a caucasian man, 6'1, about 220lbs, in his late fifties, wearing dingy clothes, blue jeans, and a boonie hat. I was 5'7", 160lbs, 39 y/o, and was in a business suit. I've lived on three continents and have interacted with multiple law enforcement agencies from the Met, Polizei, Police Nationale, and RCMP when I was in the service. Our interactions have been solid on every occasion, whether professional or social. The only place where I have never been 'treated' as a citizen first is in my own country. But that's going to change, life's hard enough being cop, there is no reason to make it harder on everyone else.
This is the best opinion I've seen on this thus far...including the "legal experts" thats been trying to stir up drama. Damn we need more people like you being heard.
Qualified immunity only protects you from personal civil liability. He absolutely can be charged criminally (both at the state and federal level) then forced to pay restitution which serves the purpose of a civil lawsuit anyway.
Victim Blaming is something that was just made up to not have to talk about responsibility and accountability. Just because someone ends up a victim, doesn't mean that had no part in their own demise. So sick of all the coddling and pretending that people who die are innocent angels and it happens for no reason.
I wish the officers name and photo was available.I still believe he over reacted but feel the department, DA and judge will give a lot of credit for being a policeman. A lot of people were concerned after the acorn shooting that this would happen not too far in the future. I am sorry it turned out to be true. I don't have much faith he will be held responsible. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't get charged he will get promoted.
I think the question is, is it legal to open your door with a gun visibly in your hand, police or no police? I recall the commentator Ayoob mentioning something along those lines, if you have a gun in your hand in anyone else's presence, who isn't attacking or harming you, then you've committed a crime / misdemeanor / felony. I forget the exact specifics.
In Florida, waiving or displaying a firearm is a felony with a minimum of 5 years in state prison, I have a family member who faced that charge, even though the judge didn't believe the prosecution had proved their case, the jury gave a guilty verdict, judge and state attorney agreed but couldn't overturn verdict, so they ended up doing a year in county jail for a crime they didn't commit.
A recent Minnesota case for your Police Misconduct File: "Police peered into the window of a Brooklyn Center home and saw what obviously was a doll inside, according to a federal lawsuit filed by family members, but made up a "baby in distress" report and kicked in the front door without a warrant." (Minneapolis) StarTribune
I mentioned about this in my comment. If they think it is going to be dangerous enough that special tactics are needed, find a better way. Hiding and ambushing people doesn't cut it, as we see here and as we saw in the Arizona case a couple years ago.
I’ve seen cops saying “we know DV calls are the most dangerous, we base our actions on past experiences” and it does make me wonder… while maybe not “racist” - if an officer knows from his own experience that most of the violent people he has dealt with were black, I think it could color their thinking without being “purely” just racist.
I’m not sold on the fact that it was completely racist, but I’m sure when the cop saw a black man with a gun it didn’t help the Airman’s chances. I would be more likely to blame overzealous policing.
@@SAR0311 they hire mostly violent people who tattoo up their arms as a trophies for violence. How is this different from any other gang except the taxpayers foot the bill. End qualified immunity and make officers carry insurance. Insurance companies won’t keep digging into their pockets for avoidable costs
"World Class Bootlicker" Ha! Perfect. Hit the nail on the head with that comment. Tater the Bootlicker immediately came out running interference for the cop. That poor young man never had a chance. My heart breaks for him and his family.
I understand it's comes from the same place were the acorn hit the police car followed by the riddle of bullets from the cop and his partner into his patrol car
Your analysis was completely objective and supported by law. LE does not have the right to shoot people simply for processing a weapon. Should cops shoot every security guard in sight because they are armed?
This is similar to the 2 female officers who saw someone walking with a gun and IMMEDIATELY shot them.. I’m also not sure if this is true but I heard it’s the same department as officer acorn down. If so this town needs to greatly up their training and recruitment.
Regardless of whether the officer was justified in shooting, which it doesn’t seem like he was, this is exactly why it is stupid to answer the door with a gun *visibly* in your hand. I have always been aware of this, so it seems like common sense to me. Have a gun, sure. But it shouldn’t be visible, because it could be a cop on the other side of the door and he might shoot you. Whether that’s right or wrong, you still run that risk if you let that gun be visible before it should be.
It looks like you're touching on what I'm wondering. Wondering what the law clearly says or implies about opening your door while holding a gun. The problem is, however, that you'd be an equal "idiot" to open your door without one, in a possible dangerous situation.
@@mikem.2078 I'm not saying he shouldn't have had a gun. Just that having it visible before knowing who was at the door was foolish for exactly this reason. I'm also not saying that meant the cop was justified. If he was worried about who was at the door, cracking the door and bracing it with his foot without giving the knocker full view of his body (and his gun) would have been a better way to approach the door. I'm just saying this from a standpoint of what is least likely to get you accidentally shot, not a legal standpoint.
Agree with most but I also think just because someone knocks on your door and hides doesn't create a dangerous situation, definitely not enough to answer the door with gun in hand. Also it's an apartment building with more people in transit the likelihood of someone knocking on the wrong door and then moving on is way higher than at a single home residence. When I lived in an apartment building, I used to get people knocking every few months who were at the wrong door. Especially when neighbors had a gathering. Now living at a single home residence in a big neighborhood I've never had someone knock on my door accidentally then move on. And if someone did I still wouldn't answer the door with a gun in hand. Or in hand in plain sight because a gun in hand in plain sight might cause the person on the other side of the door to act erratically
Anybody who has enough money left to have a gun and ammo needs to have some door video system. If you fear, big brother Amazon buy something else. The ability to see what’s going on and to have a way to communicate without opening the door, would probably save many lives in those horrible circumstances
You are spot on but I wouldn’t have opened the door. Too many criminals do this peekaboo move and you are safer staying inside. Additionally, call 911 after you check the peephole. They will send more police out or clue the officer in that he has the wrong apartment.
Someone called... so therefore cops need to show up and "do something", even if it's the wrong thing. I thank God the Founding Fathers understood the dangers of government... but we're so ignorant and foolish these days we've allowed things to get this bad.
I 100% agree with your assessment of the reality what happened here. I would like people to consider “What If” What if the cop was actually a criminal trying to rob you 🤔 I ask this because so many people get shot by police while looking for what the citizen thinks is a “Bad Guy” on their property… Just saying don’t expose yourself, consider a ring doorbell, call the cops, feel free to arm yourself but seek a defense position instead of exposing yourself and hoping your fast enough to end the threat before it ends you… If that cop was a bad guy and this man had a child in the house, dad is dead the bad guy now has more guns and the door is wide open… Like I said it’s still a bad shoot but if the cop was what the victim thought he was (a criminal) he would still be the victim 😕 Regardless what the media says there are still more criminals than bad cops so act accordingly 👍
Gun owners bear a greater responsibility when it comes to dealing with cops. We need to consider how a gun complicates these situations. Anyone who carries needs to consider how to deal with being pulled over while armed. If you haven't considered the scenario that is the subject of this video, shame on you, hopefully you will now. You must also consider that if you need to use your weapon in self defense, especially in the case of defending others, you may be perceived as the threat by bystanders and the cops. There is additional risk and responsibility involved if you carry. Think about it.
The weapon was not pointed in the direction of the cop-it wasn't even raised, so a "police, drop your weapon" command prior to opening fire should be protocol. The airman's Constitutional and Civil Rights were stomped on by a trigger happy tyrant who jumped the gun and shot first before asking questions out of raw fear while de-escalation and fact-finding based on circumstances, environmental, common sense, rationality and decency took a back seat.
Another reason, people need to learn to stop calling cops to every situation they think a cop is needed. Most times, cops will make a situation worse than it needs to be or end up taking a life because they are so afraid. Some have no business being in law enforcement and need to find a new line of work.
Come on man don’t give taters a bad name!!!! Let me share this with everybody. This Sheriff’s Department is the same department that their deputy fired at his own car where a handcuffed man was in screaming shots fired, shots fired………. Over a fallen acorn that hit said cops car . The cop shoots the kid THEN said put the gun down. The kid said I did it’s right there……..
To say there is little risk of being shot through a door when responding to a possible domestic call has to be the most ill-informed statement about policing that I have ever heard. There have been several times when one or more of those involved in a domestic fight have turned on the police, not to mention the times people have used domestic calls to ambush and kill officers. Only a complete idiot stands in front of a door to a possible hostile situation. Even soldiers in combat do not stand in front of a door that they are about to breach. As for the officer's attempt to declare himself, I agree he should have yelled "sheriff's office, open the door" each time that he knocked; but he did yell the declaration out loud. Maybe he should have repeatedly identified himself until the door was open. As for the shooting, the officer may have had time to hold his gun on the man and tell him to drop the weapon before shooting; but any Monday morning quarterback can say what they think should have been done. The video does have some audio where the young man in the apartment says "police" as if he possibly understood the officer's declaration. If he did, it was incredibly stupid of him to answer the door with a gun in his hand. I have seen too many body camera videos that show how quickly a suspect can pull a gun and kill an officer. Law enforcement officers see the very worst of humanity nearly every day; so, it is no wonder they are hyper alert when dealing with a potential violent situation. This situation is tragic for all those involved; but I would not be able to find the officer guilt based on the evidence provided at this time if I were on the jury. I do believe that there are a small percentage of people in law enforcement that have no business in the profession; and this percentage is probably true for every vocation one could investigate. Since the Federal government is constitutionally charged with the defense and security of this nation, I believe Congress should provide enough funding to help every community's law enforcement department to require the most mentally and physically demanding training for new recruits. These academies would be run like the strictest of highway patrol academies are. To become a law enforcement officer, recruits would have to pass 12 weeks of intensive training in the law, driving techniques, high cardio marksmanship with various weapons, emergency medical treatment, various forms of physical fitness (e.g., running, swimming, maneuvering through obstacle courses), etc. They should also be required to pass intense psychological evaluations throughout the training weeks. Those, who do graduate to become fully fledged officers, must regularly train throughout their careers to remain on the force. Law officers will always patrol in pairs whether on foot, bikes, or in a car. This makes sure that every officer has immediate backup with him or her during every encounter. As one officer approaches a car, their partner covers him/her from the patrol car and is responsible for communications. During patrolling, one officer drives while the other one has charge of the computer and communications. These patrol partners are not permanent and must be rotated at regular intervals; so, officers can learn from and teach different officers in the department. All officers will be issues semiautomatic pistols, tactical whips, pepper spray, tasers, bullet proof vests & hand-held shields, 12-gauge tactical shotguns, and AR style semiautomatic rifles. The shotguns and rifles are to be stored in the patrol cars along with full medical kits, tools for auto repair, bullet proof helmets, and a gun for shooting a bola at fleeing suspects. The officers should also have the personal communication devices like the military uses; so, they don't have to deal with the clunky radios that they wear now. Officers should be well trained and equipped if they are going to be held to a higher standard than any other professional employee. I don't have much trust in the Federal government and its agencies; but I do put more faith in my state government and especially in my local government. If by "bootlicker" you are referring to those who love Federal agencies, then I am with you. However, if you are referring to those who love and support the majority of local law enforcement officers, then I would have to say that I would rather be a "bootlicker" than the criminals' "asslicker."
It was a set-up, the police were sent to a wrong apt. by someone at the complex. They should be looking into that. It's a horrible tragedy, people have to make split second decisions and often times it paints them in the wrong way.
Okay. Let me get this straight. 01. Deputy Dum-as knock on the door in an aggressive manner then hides. 02. Deputy Dum-as Does this again while CLAIMING to Sheriffs Office. In other words, Officer Dum-as acted EXACTLY like a gang banger/home invader. Christ, even in the 1980s USAF Law Enforcement, we were EXPLICITLY trained NOT to do this. IMO: Since Deputy Dum-as refused to identify himself SrA Fortson: 01. should not have opened the door. 02. should have called 911 immediately to verify if a legitimate LEO was at the door. Many RUclips lawyers are saying don't argue with the cops. Just obey and do what your told. But in this situation, my step 03 would be to take cover or escape (if possible) until a warrant is produced. AFAIK, Cops CAN enter your home without a warrant if they believe a crime IS IN PROGRESS. There was zero evidence of this. The Sheriff is protecting his officer. F* the public! BTW: Where's Comrade Joe in all this? One of HIS GI's is gunned down and the Feds aren't investigating? I am white, a veteran with 2 tours in AFG, pro-gun, pro-police, ANTI-STUPID.
The firing without warning is the only part of this whole terrible situation that has the stink of racism to me personally. Although, who knows, this guy may have shot anybody who'd opened that door holding a firearm.
The first time he banged on the guy store he should have yelled out real loud sheriff's department right then and there not just knocked on the store and stood back out of sight
That’s my biggest problem with this. It’s gonna be found as justified use of force because *that second* he believes a DV incident was happening… I don’t like it, but I think that’s what’s gonna happen. My problem with it is that his own poor choices, his own bad cop’ping is what GOT him in that situation. The same way we can’t start a fight and then claim self defense, I don’t like the cops can follow bad, BAD leads… like you said, 4th party he said she said she said she said… yet that cop took that info as gospel? Just because he feared for his life in that few seconds when the door opened, it feels like weight should be given to him putting himself there without reasonable cause. 🤦🏻♂️ Not to mention not announcing the first time, putting *himself* up against the rail with no escape, giving no commands re:the gun… all of it. We’ve all seen cops NOT act in some circumstances because they KNOW they can’t take the word of a game of telephone where the witnesses are unknown, what they even saw or heard is unknown, and they didn’t even know for sure where they heard it. ALL of that can’t be ignored in finding his culpability.
It wasn't a cop acting badly its called bad conditioning (see a gun, and they assume bad intent. Why in all shootings where there are multiple police ome yells gun and they flip out). As far as a bad cop, this is the result of assuming guiltily police not matter the details of an incedent.
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This was the same department as "Acorn cop." Okaloosa County sheriff. This starts at the top.
Seriously? That was the *first* thing that crossed my mind.
Really? Do they even know what training mean?
DIng, ding, ding, we have a winner... If this doesn't scream for the need of departmental training, I don't know what else does?🤷♂
It happens all over the country, has nothing to do with this agency. It's the system
"The Top" is the people.
This is the same agency that shot the hell out of the squad car because the deputy thought a falling acorn was a gun shot. I think this sheriff’s department is f-ked!
The only people that are f--cked are the people that live in that county! The Sheriff's Dept. will live on, it always does.
This happens everywhere, all over the country. Stop demeaning the problem with an irrelevant connection to another stupid cop from the same place.
Yep! That agency seems to have issues!
Wonder if they rehired the acorn cop back? Online cops said he quitting was enough no charges. And they are claiming this was a qualified shot. Fellow that said that was a lawyer for the police.
I know fwb well and most cops there are good guys. and this apartment was not a bad place...it was a nice place in fact and in a good area. I doubt anyone had ever just opened a door to a cop there at that apartment holding a gun...if he had waited for him to raise the gun he could very well be dead. so whine all you crybabies want, that pd aint charging that cop for any crime - its not some woke blue state dem run $hithole where they hate cops and love thugs and punks.
Thank you for covering this, Senior Airman Roger Fortson was the young airman’s name…
100% agree with this assessment. I like the Fascist characterization in the closing because we, in effect, are living in a police state today as long as this ridiculous qualified immunity remains on the books. Also, the apartment manager is an idiot for calling the police on hearsay, second hand at that.
This Police Officer and his trainers need to goto JAIL for at least 100 years
You are 100% correct! Screw the bootlickers. This is also why you NEVER open your door until you know who's on the other side.
Idiot came to door with gun after cop said loudly he was there THREE TIMES
I'd also say, if you know it's a cop or government agent, you damn sure shouldn't open your door.
Bad shoot if he would’ve been visible in the peephole i guarantee the airman would’ve opened the door the first time without a firearm cop should be charged
I agree , but I doubt he will be. Police are held less of a standard than the CCW community.
The cop should have clearly announced his presence loudly. This would have helped.
@@akman45304Yeah. It always cracks me up, and makes me a little sad, to see the 2A community falling all over itself to defend a cop for a shooting that would rightfully have one of us peons in jail for a long time.
This situation was completely avoidable. The department needs to do better. They should be held accountable for the failure.
Don't open the door. If you have some police officer or supposed police officer hiding in the freaking bushes don't open the door.
I sure as heck hope that Deputy is held accountable.
Everyone needs to call the Governor's office and demand charges and to rebuild this Sheriff's department. This is the same department as the Acorn cop.
28+years in law enforcement and your response is correct. Thank you sir
I agree 💯. How many times have you or I been in that situation and took care of it without incident? I’m 20 yrs LE Myself.
The cop was like the ACORN cop, with more tragic consequences.
Thank you, for telling it EXACTLY as it happened. I’m a former police officer, myself, and this shooting is most likely how the officer practiced giving verbal commands and immediately shooting as he gave said commands.
Call for a disturbance, knock on door, no answer, no screaming or no exigent reason to forcefully enter residence, Get in the car and leave. Simple.
Had a roommate once, apparently was having a party before I got home, very loud. I got home Noone else there. Cop showed up a few minutes later, no announcement, just a guy with a flashlight and a gun. I met them the same way. Before he did anything else, he announced Police officers, drop the gun. Did. Situation was resolved in minutes.
This was some strange thinking by the deputy given the circumstances. If he thought it was going to be as dangerous as he seemed to think it was, with him hiding away from the door, why didn't he get backup to help him out? Sadly, his actions were the same thing we saw from an Arizona officer not that long ago, with the knocking and hiding and then shooting someone who answers the door with a gun because they are concerned for their own safety. It's sad. 😔
As a Brit who watches lots of police body cam footage. Alot of the time the cop says something and in less than 1 second later starts shooting. Its a no win situation for the potential innocent person on the receiving end.
There are some in the gun community that agree with you. And I do also. I can't say it's a race issue but it was definitely a bad cop, bad decision and a total extinction of a legally armed American citizen
THANK YOU!! It’s about time someone told it like it is. It’s really not a difficult situation to assess. People are making it so, in an attempt to make excuses for the cop
This officer knew he had backup coming, so hearing no disturbance in the unit why not wait for backup?
Its common thing for criminals to pretend to be the police and these cops know this fact. People will just gripe about it and do nothing.
Where did any of us individually sign anything agreeing to have a "protector"/cop,, why are people hiring body guards when they already have tax paid protection that should be available. 😂
If the sheriff did not yell out sheriff's department really loud and identify himself and he is in the wrong
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The renter should not have answered the door at all. There were no exigent circumstances, the cop had no warrant or right to force entry and no criminal activity was taking place in the Airman's apartment.
Plus their are plenty of criminals who pound on doors shouting police.
Guess you never dealt with cop because your statement was completely stupid
@@jaredkirchner4817I've dealt with the Gestapo a few times, so pray tell, why was his post stupid? As far as I can see it's spot on.
@@markthe2nd741we not gestapo second who answer fucking door with a gun with the police there o own plenty you know how many times I answered door with it in my hand not never am not a coward play stupid games win stupid prizes
@@markthe2nd741 and second you do have to answer door when law enforcement knock but I let you find out what happens when you don't answer door they don't need warrants to knock and question you only to search house unless there is probably cause then they don't need
@@jaredkirchner4817 You still don't have to answer the door if they don't have a warrant. It's illegal for them to break down your door unless they know there is a crime in progress or they have a warrant. If you're under suspicion of a crime all they can legally do is put you under observation. There is the caveat that cops don't always know or follow the law. In fact, more often than not, they don't.
You left out a contributing factor in the learned behavior: the Supreme Court. They have held that the police behavior leading up to the event isn’t a mitigating factor in whether or not the fear for an officer’s life is justified. Only the actions the very moments before count. So these cops can be trained that they can and should behave this way, and Supreme Court precedent protects them from any consequences.
The People are the where the buck stops. Not the SCOTUS.
First off folks if your not expecting something and someone knocks on your door and then hides from the peephole DO NOT OPEN the door! Arm yourself and call the police. You never know who's on the other side of the door. If you know it a uniform police officer and there is no reason a police officer should be at your door still don't open the door unless he is holding up a warrant!
Yeah, call the cops so they can serve and protect the hell out of you just like they did Philando Castile, Ryan Whitaker and SrA Fortson, among many others.🙄
Fair analysis. I am deeply saddened when law enforcement react emotionally out of fear. Or whatever the cause. A young local airman. Here in Tampa Bay area
I agree with Yank. Is this the same county as Acorn Cop?
Thanks for covering this Yankee, I didn't know much about this case so I stayed out of it but thank you for your perspective.
Even though his perspective is dead wrong
His family already knows who it is. Actions have consequences.
Does not matter whether or not gun was legal
That’s the same county where the acorn dropped
Very interesting analysis. Many thanks 🙏
If he was an active airman, does anyone know if the Air Force can/will investigate and if so, have any influence on if the policeman involved is brought up on any charges? It would be nice to think that, if you're serving your country, the military will do what they can to help their service member, even when off-base.
As it was said by Super Chicken. You knew the job was dangerous when you took it Fred
Fred or Fried?
Thank you for speaking on this.
Literally can't comment on your video. Big brother censorship on this video is insane.
Social media has a monopoly on the thoughts you're allowed to publicly express and you can't say anything bad about big brother, even if you don't use any bad words. They're censoring bad thoughts now too
All to often this is happening today.
Best assessment I've heard.
Sad for all those involved
Thank you
I’m in law enforcement myself and agree with your take on this situation. Definitely not a good shoot and proper action should be taken!
It’s a sad situation and I do so wished it hadn’t have happened.
I believe the guy in the apartment did what a normal and reasonable person would have done in this situation being in fear for what was going on outside his door. It’s clear in the body cam video that it wasn’t an immediate threat, being the firearm wasn’t pointed at anyone. The deputy was just a bit trigger happy.
Just my opinion as everyone has one 🇺🇸⚡️TCB⚡️🇺🇸
Thank you. I've noticed this is the first time in a very, very, very long time that LEOs of every stripe have gone on record and condemned the actions of the deputy and laid bare their feelings regardless of pushback and backlash. A comedian once said, "Yes, there are good and bad cops, but where are they when bad cops commit crimes?" Finally, we see a vocal shift to that narrative. Instead of talking heads Monday morning quarterbacking, we have on-duty and retired LEOs putting their foot down and calling BS on the current state of law enforcement. Something has got to change. I see myself in that young man. I can't count how often I've answered my door with my weapon. I'm also a person of color, so the apprehension and fear that something negative may go down if the individual at my door is a cop "just doing their job" and mistaking me for a criminal is always present.
The worst incident of me being profiled, with a cop ready to pull his service weapon on me, was at, of all places, a VA hospital. A disturbance call went out for VA cops to remove a disruptive veteran; the call gave the description and name of the vet. This was traspiriong outside the hospitol under a cookout veranda. About twenty vets were bar-b-queing, and one in their number was screening and yelling. I was about 100 feet away, reading a book and smoking a cigarette on a bench. When the cops arrived, they looked at the group and the disruptive vet and approached me. Both had their hands on their weapons and screamed for my ID. As the lead asked for the ID, the other one tried to flank me, but he had a death stare on his face. Before I did something they would regret, the person who called yelled, "He's not the one!" He then pointed to the vet in question and the lead cop walked over and kindly told the vet to calm down and leave. The other cop who tried to circle me still had his hand on his sidearm. The lead cop returned and said, "We're clear" on his radio. I thought it was over until the lead cop still asked for my ID. I calmly stood up, gathered my belongings, and walked to my POV without saying anything. The suspect was a caucasian man, 6'1, about 220lbs, in his late fifties, wearing dingy clothes, blue jeans, and a boonie hat. I was 5'7", 160lbs, 39 y/o, and was in a business suit. I've lived on three continents and have interacted with multiple law enforcement agencies from the Met, Polizei, Police Nationale, and RCMP when I was in the service. Our interactions have been solid on every occasion, whether professional or social. The only place where I have never been 'treated' as a citizen first is in my own country. But that's going to change, life's hard enough being cop, there is no reason to make it harder on everyone else.
This is the best opinion I've seen on this thus far...including the "legal experts" thats been trying to stir up drama. Damn we need more people like you being heard.
Thank you Yankee! for giving this a common sense answer! Everything 100% spot on!!!
That’s just straight out murder, no matter how much you think he was a poorly trained & made bad decisions.
Seems that way
He should be held accountable but with Qualified Immunity he will likely never face justice.
Qualified immunity only protects you from personal civil liability. He absolutely can be charged criminally (both at the state and federal level) then forced to pay restitution which serves the purpose of a civil lawsuit anyway.
If "authorities" don't hold themselves accountable, it it up to the People to do so. Justice has nothing to do with courts.
@@jasonshults368 Ideally it does for legitimacy...but I understand...thats an ideal, not always realistic situation.
I think that cop heard an acorn fall.
I think the cop had his gun in his hand when the door opened and not drawn from his holster.
This is why I subscribed to your channel, your honesty is outstanding. Thank you for continually telling the truth!
What disgusts me even more than that cop is all the victim blaming on the internet connected to this event.
Victim Blaming is something that was just made up to not have to talk about responsibility and accountability. Just because someone ends up a victim, doesn't mean that had no part in their own demise. So sick of all the coddling and pretending that people who die are innocent angels and it happens for no reason.
I wish the officers name and photo was available.I still believe he over reacted but feel the department, DA and judge will give a lot of credit for being a policeman. A lot of people were concerned after the acorn shooting that this would happen not too far in the future. I am sorry it turned out to be true. I don't have much faith he will be held responsible. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't get charged he will get promoted.
You are 100% correct.
The Airmen did not even have his finger on the trigger either. Damn Shame.
I think the question is, is it legal to open your door with a gun visibly in your hand, police or no police? I recall the commentator Ayoob mentioning something along those lines, if you have a gun in your hand in anyone else's presence, who isn't attacking or harming you, then you've committed a crime / misdemeanor / felony. I forget the exact specifics.
In Florida, waiving or displaying a firearm is a felony with a minimum of 5 years in state prison, I have a family member who faced that charge, even though the judge didn't believe the prosecution had proved their case, the jury gave a guilty verdict, judge and state attorney agreed but couldn't overturn verdict, so they ended up doing a year in county jail for a crime they didn't commit.
@@robertwestbrook9344 Wow, sounds hardcore. Even though I am a fan on strict law, that sounds too strict.
You are an honest man.
And conservative is just fascist light.
A recent Minnesota case for your Police Misconduct File: "Police peered into the window of a Brooklyn Center home and saw what obviously was a doll inside, according to a federal lawsuit filed by family members, but made up a "baby in distress" report and kicked in the front door without a warrant." (Minneapolis) StarTribune
💯 correct in your assessment.
It has alot to do with training. When cops are alone they are told not to stand in front of the door
I mentioned about this in my comment. If they think it is going to be dangerous enough that special tactics are needed, find a better way. Hiding and ambushing people doesn't cut it, as we see here and as we saw in the Arizona case a couple years ago.
Don't open the door if you don't know who's there. Especially with a gun in your hand. Common sense
@@SMS2884 That's a good way to get your door kicked in by angry cops you are now "evading."
@@whelper4231 If they don't have a warrant they won't kick your door down smart guy.
@@SMS2884 If you have no idea why they are there, you don't know if they have a warrant or not...
I’ve seen cops saying “we know DV calls are the most dangerous, we base our actions on past experiences” and it does make me wonder… while maybe not “racist” - if an officer knows from his own experience that most of the violent people he has dealt with were black, I think it could color their thinking without being “purely” just racist.
No, it was not justified he listened to the wrong person...ALL COPS ARE GUILTY
I’m not sold on the fact that it was completely racist, but I’m sure when the cop saw a black man with a gun it didn’t help the Airman’s chances. I would be more likely to blame overzealous policing.
I agree
Everything's rrrrraaaaaayyyyysiiiiisssstttt!!!
It's not all racism it's just bad training not lack of training but bad training that is followed through
@@SAR0311 six weeks of training to become an armed murderer and 6 months to file and paint nails says it all.
@@SAR0311 they hire mostly violent people who tattoo up their arms as a trophies for violence. How is this different from any other gang except the taxpayers foot the bill. End qualified immunity and make officers carry insurance. Insurance companies won’t keep digging into their pockets for avoidable costs
"World Class Bootlicker" Ha! Perfect. Hit the nail on the head with that comment. Tater the Bootlicker immediately came out running interference for the cop. That poor young man never had a chance. My heart breaks for him and his family.
Best take on this situation I heard yet
I understand it's comes from the same place were the acorn hit the police car followed by the riddle of bullets from the cop and his partner into his patrol car
Your analysis was completely objective and supported by law. LE does not have the right to shoot people simply for processing a weapon. Should cops shoot every security guard in sight because they are armed?
1:32 ... Now you know how the rest of us feel when we watch your videos. lol. (Just kidding. You're right sometimes).
Don't open your door. Tell the cops to fuck off if they don't have a warrant
If that airman had brothers that cop might be in trouble.
This is similar to the 2 female officers who saw someone walking with a gun and IMMEDIATELY shot them.. I’m also not sure if this is true but I heard it’s the same department as officer acorn down. If so this town needs to greatly up their training and recruitment.
Regardless of whether the officer was justified in shooting, which it doesn’t seem like he was, this is exactly why it is stupid to answer the door with a gun *visibly* in your hand. I have always been aware of this, so it seems like common sense to me. Have a gun, sure. But it shouldn’t be visible, because it could be a cop on the other side of the door and he might shoot you. Whether that’s right or wrong, you still run that risk if you let that gun be visible before it should be.
It looks like you're touching on what I'm wondering. Wondering what the law clearly says or implies about opening your door while holding a gun. The problem is, however, that you'd be an equal "idiot" to open your door without one, in a possible dangerous situation.
@@mikem.2078 I'm not saying he shouldn't have had a gun. Just that having it visible before knowing who was at the door was foolish for exactly this reason. I'm also not saying that meant the cop was justified. If he was worried about who was at the door, cracking the door and bracing it with his foot without giving the knocker full view of his body (and his gun) would have been a better way to approach the door. I'm just saying this from a standpoint of what is least likely to get you accidentally shot, not a legal standpoint.
This was a tragedy, but not an example of police use of excessive force.
Spot on Yankee.
When "authorities" commit violent crimes, they should be prosecuted with the full force of law.
Cop straight up murk'd him.
Well said........
Agree with most but I also think just because someone knocks on your door and hides doesn't create a dangerous situation, definitely not enough to answer the door with gun in hand. Also it's an apartment building with more people in transit the likelihood of someone knocking on the wrong door and then moving on is way higher than at a single home residence. When I lived in an apartment building, I used to get people knocking every few months who were at the wrong door. Especially when neighbors had a gathering. Now living at a single home residence in a big neighborhood I've never had someone knock on my door accidentally then move on. And if someone did I still wouldn't answer the door with a gun in hand. Or in hand in plain sight because a gun in hand in plain sight might cause the person on the other side of the door to act erratically
Tatum used to be Tuscon PD
Anybody who has enough money left to have a gun and ammo needs to have some door video system. If you fear, big brother Amazon buy something else.
The ability to see what’s going on and to have a way to communicate without opening the door, would probably save many lives in those horrible circumstances
You are spot on but I wouldn’t have opened the door. Too many criminals do this peekaboo move and you are safer staying inside. Additionally, call 911 after you check the peephole. They will send more police out or clue the officer in that he has the wrong apartment.
Someone called... so therefore cops need to show up and "do something", even if it's the wrong thing. I thank God the Founding Fathers understood the dangers of government... but we're so ignorant and foolish these days we've allowed things to get this bad.
I 100% agree with your assessment of the reality what happened here. I would like people to consider “What If” What if the cop was actually a criminal trying to rob you 🤔
I ask this because so many people get shot by police while looking for what the citizen thinks is a “Bad Guy” on their property… Just saying don’t expose yourself, consider a ring doorbell, call the cops, feel free to arm yourself but seek a defense position instead of exposing yourself and hoping your fast enough to end the threat before it ends you…
If that cop was a bad guy and this man had a child in the house, dad is dead the bad guy now has more guns and the door is wide open…
Like I said it’s still a bad shoot but if the cop was what the victim thought he was (a criminal) he would still be the victim 😕 Regardless what the media says there are still more criminals than bad cops so act accordingly 👍
To many bootlickers in the gun community
Gun owners bear a greater responsibility when it comes to dealing with cops. We need to consider how a gun complicates these situations. Anyone who carries needs to consider how to deal with being pulled over while armed. If you haven't considered the scenario that is the subject of this video, shame on you, hopefully you will now. You must also consider that if you need to use your weapon in self defense, especially in the case of defending others, you may be perceived as the threat by bystanders and the cops. There is additional risk and responsibility involved if you carry. Think about it.
The weapon was not pointed in the direction of the cop-it wasn't even raised, so a "police, drop your weapon" command prior to opening fire should be protocol. The airman's Constitutional and Civil Rights were stomped on by a trigger happy tyrant who jumped the gun and shot first before asking questions out of raw fear while de-escalation and fact-finding based on circumstances, environmental, common sense, rationality and decency took a back seat.
Another reason, people need to learn to stop calling cops to every situation they think a cop is needed. Most times, cops will make a situation worse than it needs to be or end up taking a life because they are so afraid. Some have no business being in law enforcement and need to find a new line of work.
Come on man don’t give taters a bad name!!!!
Let me share this with everybody. This Sheriff’s Department is the same department that their deputy fired at his own car where a handcuffed man was in screaming shots fired, shots fired………. Over a fallen acorn that hit said cops car . The cop shoots the kid THEN said put the gun down. The kid said I did it’s right there……..
To say there is little risk of being shot through a door when responding to a possible domestic call has to be the most ill-informed statement about policing that I have ever heard. There have been several times when one or more of those involved in a domestic fight have turned on the police, not to mention the times people have used domestic calls to ambush and kill officers. Only a complete idiot stands in front of a door to a possible hostile situation. Even soldiers in combat do not stand in front of a door that they are about to breach. As for the officer's attempt to declare himself, I agree he should have yelled "sheriff's office, open the door" each time that he knocked; but he did yell the declaration out loud. Maybe he should have repeatedly identified himself until the door was open. As for the shooting, the officer may have had time to hold his gun on the man and tell him to drop the weapon before shooting; but any Monday morning quarterback can say what they think should have been done. The video does have some audio where the young man in the apartment says "police" as if he possibly understood the officer's declaration. If he did, it was incredibly stupid of him to answer the door with a gun in his hand. I have seen too many body camera videos that show how quickly a suspect can pull a gun and kill an officer. Law enforcement officers see the very worst of humanity nearly every day; so, it is no wonder they are hyper alert when dealing with a potential violent situation. This situation is tragic for all those involved; but I would not be able to find the officer guilt based on the evidence provided at this time if I were on the jury.
I do believe that there are a small percentage of people in law enforcement that have no business in the profession; and this percentage is probably true for every vocation one could investigate. Since the Federal government is constitutionally charged with the defense and security of this nation, I believe Congress should provide enough funding to help every community's law enforcement department to require the most mentally and physically demanding training for new recruits. These academies would be run like the strictest of highway patrol academies are. To become a law enforcement officer, recruits would have to pass 12 weeks of intensive training in the law, driving techniques, high cardio marksmanship with various weapons, emergency medical treatment, various forms of physical fitness (e.g., running, swimming, maneuvering through obstacle courses), etc. They should also be required to pass intense psychological evaluations throughout the training weeks. Those, who do graduate to become fully fledged officers, must regularly train throughout their careers to remain on the force. Law officers will always patrol in pairs whether on foot, bikes, or in a car. This makes sure that every officer has immediate backup with him or her during every encounter. As one officer approaches a car, their partner covers him/her from the patrol car and is responsible for communications. During patrolling, one officer drives while the other one has charge of the computer and communications. These patrol partners are not permanent and must be rotated at regular intervals; so, officers can learn from and teach different officers in the department. All officers will be issues semiautomatic pistols, tactical whips, pepper spray, tasers, bullet proof vests & hand-held shields, 12-gauge tactical shotguns, and AR style semiautomatic rifles. The shotguns and rifles are to be stored in the patrol cars along with full medical kits, tools for auto repair, bullet proof helmets, and a gun for shooting a bola at fleeing suspects. The officers should also have the personal communication devices like the military uses; so, they don't have to deal with the clunky radios that they wear now. Officers should be well trained and equipped if they are going to be held to a higher standard than any other professional employee.
I don't have much trust in the Federal government and its agencies; but I do put more faith in my state government and especially in my local government. If by "bootlicker" you are referring to those who love Federal agencies, then I am with you. However, if you are referring to those who love and support the majority of local law enforcement officers, then I would have to say that I would rather be a "bootlicker" than the criminals' "asslicker."
It was a set-up, the police were sent to a wrong apt. by someone at the complex. They should be looking into that. It's a horrible tragedy, people have to make split second decisions and often times it paints them in the wrong way.
Okay. Let me get this straight.
01. Deputy Dum-as knock on the door in an aggressive manner then hides.
02. Deputy Dum-as Does this again while CLAIMING to Sheriffs Office.
In other words, Officer Dum-as acted EXACTLY like a gang banger/home invader.
Christ, even in the 1980s USAF Law Enforcement, we were EXPLICITLY trained NOT to do this.
IMO: Since Deputy Dum-as refused to identify himself SrA Fortson:
01. should not have opened the door.
02. should have called 911 immediately to verify if a legitimate LEO was at the door.
Many RUclips lawyers are saying don't argue with the cops. Just obey and do what your told. But in this situation, my step 03 would be to take cover or escape (if possible) until a warrant is produced.
AFAIK, Cops CAN enter your home without a warrant if they believe a crime IS IN PROGRESS.
There was zero evidence of this.
The Sheriff is protecting his officer. F* the public!
BTW: Where's Comrade Joe in all this? One of HIS GI's is gunned down and the Feds aren't investigating?
I am white, a veteran with 2 tours in AFG, pro-gun, pro-police, ANTI-STUPID.
Right.
The firing without warning is the only part of this whole terrible situation that has the stink of racism to me personally. Although, who knows, this guy may have shot anybody who'd opened that door holding a firearm.
What ever happened to the cop that shot the Ausrailian girl?
The first time he banged on the guy store he should have yelled out real loud sheriff's department right then and there not just knocked on the store and stood back out of sight
That’s my biggest problem with this. It’s gonna be found as justified use of force because *that second* he believes a DV incident was happening… I don’t like it, but I think that’s what’s gonna happen.
My problem with it is that his own poor choices, his own bad cop’ping is what GOT him in that situation. The same way we can’t start a fight and then claim self defense, I don’t like the cops can follow bad, BAD leads… like you said, 4th party he said she said she said she said… yet that cop took that info as gospel?
Just because he feared for his life in that few seconds when the door opened, it feels like weight should be given to him putting himself there without reasonable cause. 🤦🏻♂️
Not to mention not announcing the first time, putting *himself* up against the rail with no escape, giving no commands re:the gun… all of it.
We’ve all seen cops NOT act in some circumstances because they KNOW they can’t take the word of a game of telephone where the witnesses are unknown, what they even saw or heard is unknown, and they didn’t even know for sure where they heard it. ALL of that can’t be ignored in finding his culpability.
He swung and shot multiple times the same way i do when aggressively swinging a target in games. Bad training.
There was no deduction, no attempt to discern a threat
A state without consequences.Seems like man was here before...
How is Tatum fascist?
It wasn't a cop acting badly its called bad conditioning (see a gun, and they assume bad intent. Why in all shootings where there are multiple police ome yells gun and they flip out). As far as a bad cop, this is the result of assuming guiltily police not matter the details of an incedent.