These performances features in a 90 minute Airshow Dispatches film, featuring all the displays at the Dubai Airshow 2023, available on our RUclips channel here: ruclips.net/video/6wMyeIhpibE/видео.html
That ugly Indian fighter jet had a black screen as soon as it took off and climbed out on the first day of the performance, and it immediately made a blind landing. And missed the flight show the next day, hahahaha
@@shahkhan5973 he kept it slow for a reason and intenionally....YOU NEEDTHAT Maneuverer IN DOG FIGHT. kabhi koi airfighter ka game kat bhi khela hai !?
Tejas Rolling, negative G flying, sharp turn and quick accelerating with max G climb is much better than JF17. clearly visible JF17 has no chance with Tejas.
First time didn't read the comments while watching the video. Both pilots showed amazing skills and performed exceptionally great. Kudos to all involved.
Yeah one day before the match their overseas coach gives them a detailed lecture on which side of the coin is called heads and which side of the coin is known as tails
@@ISyedZainUlAbideenEven in two circles speed, twr, engine thrust all of that matters and Tejas has higher TWR, thrust and speed than JF-17 so I really wouldn't bet on it.
"bleeds a lot of energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
@@Shreeshailbn more than half of those 40 Tejas you keep mentioning are prototypes and test vehicles not ready for any sort of combat. Why do you indians leave this part out.
Those were French dude! Tejas is modernized Mirage 3. Indians hired French Engineers in 80s for 10 million each of 80s money. They brought their design. It has the same combat range (500km) and Fight time (1 hr) as Mirage 3. Same size, same design.
@@Blackbirdz2000😂😂😂 PROPAGANDA at its BEST Kota Harinarayana was chief Designer and engineer of HAL Tejas Are you really blind ? Look at Mirage 3, it has large air intakes above the wings as it was required for that RR engine Tejas has small intakes below its wings. And a better engine producing more thrust (85kN) It is far more maneuverable by design. It has higher payload capacity than Junk Fighter
Both are cool jets but i would say I noticed Tejas was not bleeding as much energy as JF17 was this gives Tejas a good advantage.. But both are good jets for sure... as tactics can matter in air and how you use them
Even though it’s a delta wing the FCS on the Tejas is very capable and it has the same kind of automatic slow flight protections as the Typhoon for example with automatic slat extension. The JF-17 by comparison is a relatively outdated and rudimentary affair made mostly out of stamped steel and riveted together, the early versions didn’t even have FBW in all axis so it’s a much more conventional machine reminiscent of the 20th century
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites and fully digital FBW(in block 2 only 2 axis were digital)
Dude u really have no idea about the aeronautics right? Full Delta designs are notorious for bleeding energy while turning. They that due to the drag on those huge wings. Resulting in poor maneuverability aka turn and burn performance. Maintaining energy is the key advantage of JF17A's over this Tejas Series.
Tejas is a pilot's dream plane, fast on the turns, bends and lightweight enough to dodge radars and out-manuveur any angle of attack. It can be used in numbers to deny any air superiority in air to air combat and with the help of AWACS it's as capable a plane as you want in a hostile zone. Lovely machine ❤
Let's conduct an air exercise between all light catagory fighter jets currently available, i.e. Tejas mk2, JF17 block 3, Saab Gripean, South Korean FA50, American F16 - not in DCS but actual combat like senareo . As a defence enthusiast egarly waiting for this 😊
F16/Gripen isn't Light Weight Fighter, its Medium Weight. Its the USAF who designates her as light which has more to do with their Hi/Lo mix. They Deploy F15/22 as High end fighters to give the main punch/blow to the enemy and F16/35 as low end to due the mopping job or deal with stragglers. Meaning that F15/22 act as bomb/BVR trucks and F16/35 as escorts. But as of a few years ago, they r now also building a new proper 4.5 gen light weight fighter (under 15K kg max payload). F16 (19,187 kg MTOW) is Rafale, J10, Mig29/35, EF2000, JAS 39 Gripen (16,500kg MTOW) etc. type Medium Weight Fighter (MWF). As for FA-50 its a LIFT fighter meaning fighter trainer. Proper LWF are Tejas Mk 1/1A and JF17 series. Tejas Mk-2 is said to be a MWF.
@pratimapatra541: Not much to compare. F16 blk 70+ wins the race. As far as Tejas Mk2 goes, it is on the drawing board, who knows how it will do. F16 is a combat veteran and is still the king of the skies.
deltas r faster, thats how delta designs work. However, they are extremely poor in maneuverability. They cant turn, arnt much agile and nimble. And thats absolutely vital for any aircraft in modern warfare to dodge enemy AA/AD missiles....and even though the realistic chances of BFM r low, but if it happens, then this becomes absolutely vital. Turning and Burning is the name of the game!
Tejas is promising. In fact, it can give mirage 2000 a hard time. But i also love the French 🇫🇷 mirages. These are my favorite, Most capable of all platforms.
@@HUNTEZMALIK No, it is not made by the Pakistan Air Force. The air force is not an aircraft manufacturer. Initially, the JF-17 was entirely built in China by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation. Since 2009, the Chengdu Aircraft Corproration has built a substantial portion of the aircraft, and then shipped the partially-completed airframes to Pakistan for further assembly. That assembly process is conducted by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex - NOT the air force.
Both jets where good but jf17 pilot was struggling with jet and it's control and loosing it energy very quickly with each manuver.in same time Tejas was easily fliping and turning in high speed with out loosing it's energy.due to delta wing configuration or more high-tech flyby wire system with American engines..
dude! u do realize that full deltas cant turn right? those huge wings create a lot of drag and poor fuel mileage. Tejas Mk 1/1A's combat range is only 500 km and 1hr is flight time due to this very reason. And u add weapons on it and aspect ratio comes up which is 1:75. Resulting in Extremely poor maneuverability. Meaning, it cant turn and burn!
@@Blackbirdz2000Delta wings can't turn ?😂 Ask that to Rafale and Mirage 2000. Actually India has made it according to its needs. Nowadays high combat radius or flight time doesn't matter much !!! It is the AESA radar, advanced avionics and electronic warfare that matters Most dog fights don't last more than 10 minutes. For high combat radius we have Su30 with unmatched 3000kms combat radius.
@@ws-jw1tv”CHINA PROVIDES TECHNICAL GUIDANCE “ - China leading or guiding is like a person with impaired vision leading a blind 🤣🤣 Chinese items aren’t even worth their scrap metal value because it’s all tofu dreg engineering. Chinese or their items have no guarantee or warranty
This quote refers to Republic of China's Indigenous Defense Fighter(F-CK 1 Ching Kuo), that plane is a F-16 derivative with Northrop's F-5 characteristics. That means both JF-17 and Indigenous Defense Fighter have superb energy retention while Delta wing designs can turn sharply and have better climb rate.
@@Wazir112smoking factory? See this Pakistani madarsachap knowledge 😂😂 tejas is carrying pods at both wings called the smoke pod. Inside it there are 2 compartments ...1 filled with oil and other filled with colorant. if you want color or without colorant. When the pilot opens one of the valves, the oil flows through a small pipe and exits... With the heat it immediately turns into gas and gives this thick smoke Jahil child 😂 Tejas had 5000+ flights till date and never crashed While your jf ... crashed many times ...most of the time they can't even fly due to crap quality 😂 Learn to research before you open your uneducated mouth
OUR LCA IS CLEARLY THE MORE FASTER AND VERSATILE AIRCRAFT. ALSO PERFECTLY COORDINATED PILOT SKILLS OF OUR LCA. SHOWS CLEAR SUPERIORITY. LCA IS A FAR BETTER FLYING PLATFORM. KUDOS TO ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOPED THIS AMAZING FLYING MACHINE
Fortunately, the reset button was installed when the aircraft was manufactured. More importantly, this time they are here for an air show, not for an emergency takeoff for a military battle.😂
This is the age of BVR combat and electronic warfare. An aerobatic performance at an air show is just that, entertainment. No country is going to reveal its true war-fighting capabilities and doctrines at such an event. Tejas and JF-17 are never going to come within dogfighting range of each other for gun engagement. This isn’t WW2 with fighters shooting guns at one another where maneuverability gave you an upper hand.
But maneuverability works best against escaping missiles you know . Just like the scene from top gun . More maneuverability = more chances of survival if flares run out.
That is what the US thought would happen, until their aircraft were being attacked by guns in Vietnam. Missiles cannot work at close range. Agility also matters while outturning missiles.
As a matter of fact hadling at low speed is more difficult and often done in airshows too show low speed handling capabilities Jeff has better low speed handling capabilities while tejas is more agile
Tejas has better maneuverability than the other jet. It effortlessly spins due to its ride by wire tech. The pilot doesn't have to bother the jet and he just needs to point it, on where it is supposed to go. Wow INDIA 🇮🇳
What the pilot demonstrated does not necessarily equal the plane's capability. The capability may be more for either or both. Better not to judge from 10 minute clip.
@@LH1xx anyone will say that and i know you don't know the name of the formations which is been showed by both jets because yeah madarsa fetish but let me tell u that tejas can go upto 8.5 g to -3.5 g and since it has delta wings so it is obviously more maneuverable than jf17
So people fighting here about JF 17 vs Tejas over just their own rival analysis. Let me clear this air. Both birds are great. 1. JF 17 is a low cost competitor to F 16 while Tejas is a low cost competitor of Mirage ✅️ 2. JF 17 has a strake based configuration trimmed delta wing which provides more aerodynamic agility based on payload penalty configuration. A multi role aircraft config ✅️ 3. Tejas is a delta wing bird which gives its more payload advantage compared to JF 17 but at a reduced aerodynamic agility offered by delta wing aircrafts.✅️
Tejas is half a generation ahead of Mirage2000. Mirage2000 are on the verge of retirement next decade, while Tejas is a new entry and would continue to serve for decades to come. "Low-cost COMPETITOR to Mirage" lol
Tejas also makes a great glider. Mostly, useful for one day, the next 2 days needed rest because it was 30 years in the making and gets tired easily. It is not much more than an early model Mirage. It looks so roughly made that to take it seriously as a contender against JF 17 is compare Maruti to Lexus.
@@edwardpakland3165 No It's Not True It Takes 5-7 Years From Designing To First Flight & 17 Years From Designing To Induction Please Correct Your Knowledge Madrasha Chap😂😂🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣
Its weird that how bad JF17 performed in this show , its like it doesnot even have a optimised flyby wire system , totally inefficient and even the hard points look like pure stealth nightmare , just a plane WAITING TO BE SHOT IN AIR , waste of Engineering
Who said it goes invisible you are 775 mph slower than us 😂, Tejas is more light weight, you have less reliability (4 crashes already), we have more maneuverability than the trash can jf17
I noticed the second jet (Tejas?) was slower to aileron roll , or maneuver in general probably due to the large delta wing and lack of canard ? But then I got to the comments and everyone somehow has the exact opposite impression that I had and claim it was faster / more agile than the first plane ..? Wild . Chalk it up to bias perhaps ? Because I don't have any love or hate for these aircraft either way just appreciate new jets . Still wild how people can convince themselves of things like that , though . . I mean it doesn't matter anyways -- radar , missiles , a gazillion other factors would make more of a difference in an actual fight anyways . So why get so heated ? Not like we designed or flew it , right ?
Keep up the healthy competition, boys. As long as we manufacture our own equipment both our countries will save precious foreign exchange & generate employment to our own folk.
The most important thing is the electronic systems and radar which goes to JF-17 but the maneuvers goes to Tejas, you can't judge till you see real dogfighting between them, there is other factors that affect which is better also .
What is the Tejas production rate? I read it was 10 a year. An order for 100 aircraft would take 10 years. It would be obsolete before the last one enter service.
Firstly dry weight of JF 17 is higher which makes its payload less 1000 kg from Tejas and there are no such fighter jet mounted missile in Pakistan arsenal which can cover 1200 km range of combat nor do they have a gps navigated missile .
The question really is how many each of the jets has been and will be produced and deployed. No matter how differently they appear in this air show clip of minutes, these two jets fall into the same category and generation, which means none of them will likely reach an overall exchange rate of bigger than 1:2 fighting each other in real battles. Ultimately what factually matters will only be the production capacities and deployment numbers of them.
It also depends on weapons it carries Tejas can use indian missiles like Astra mk1 and mk2. But it can also use Israeli meteor missiles. And Russian missiles too. And the most important the hypersonic Brahmos. But if we talk about numbers Indian airforce ranks 4th in the world after US, China and Russia. Currently IAF have 100 Tejas, and will order 97 more. IAF also have 250 SU 30, 69 mig 29, 50 Miraj 2000, and 50 mig 21. Tejas will replace Miraj and migs too.
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvIndeed, Bramhos 1 is supersonic but Bramhos 2 in production is hypersonic. But it's still in production phrase. Shaurya is Hypersonic but it's Surface to surface missile.
Both seem to have pretty tame flight control systems like that if an F-15C. The Tejas jet definitely has tons of induced drag (for obvious reasons) as seen in the climb in the loop. The JF-17 seems to barely miss the F-16's rate and absolute chokehold turns. The F-16 flies the same turn with I'd guess 4 degrees of AOA less than that JF just did. Cool jets though
Both aircraft is great in their own role but in my own opinion i like more of jf-17 in term of look alone it look beautiful. Dont get me wrong tejas is also good but for delta nothing can beat mirage or mig 21 in term of look alone.
Chinese reject JF-17 again disappoints. Just look at the angle of attack of JF-17 with Russian RD-73 engine, pathetic! Chinese engines are so bad that even rejected JF-17s use Russian engines. Anyhow, you get what you pay, low cost product will always be a disappointment, however with the economy like pakistan, this is best they can do for their future.
@farhanashraf4297 - That's hardly a fair comment. No one aircraft type can fulfil every role. Just as India purchases the Tejas and the French Rafale, Pakistan is ordering J-10CEs from China in addition to the JF-17.
Just looking at both aircrafts one can deduce that the Indian TEJAS is a much better made and superior machine than the Chinese/ Pakistani JF-17 Thunder.
The Tejas aircraft is certainly capable of outperforming the F22 and J20 fighters, establishing India as a formidable superpower alongside the United States.
I think the HAL Tejas is a more manoeuvrable aircraft and It always shocks me how it looks like someone put scaled down Vulcan bomber wings on a Mirage 2000 airframe. But the JF-17 Thunder for it's price is pretty bloody good. Where the designer put the F-5, F16 and F/A-18 in a blender, whacked a MiG-21 radar in it and and a single MiG-29 engine in and liked what came out.
These performances features in a 90 minute Airshow Dispatches film, featuring all the displays at the Dubai Airshow 2023, available on our RUclips channel here: ruclips.net/video/6wMyeIhpibE/видео.html
That ugly Indian fighter jet had a black screen as soon as it took off and climbed out on the first day of the performance, and it immediately made a blind landing. And missed the flight show the next day, hahahaha
Not quite true.
Day 1 - full display
Day 2 - full display
Day 3 - planned rest day
Day 4 - technical problem after take off
Day 5 - full display
@alizahid3078 nice propaganda...it's china made jf-17... copycat engine issues. Grounded
🤣🤣🤣@alizahid3078
Tejas adalah produk gagal 😂😂😂
JF-17 seemed slightly faster while going straight up, but Tejas was much more agile in all kinds of maneuvers.
😂man see once again that Speed of tajes JF 17 IS LIKE OF BUNCH OF LOSE FITTED TIN FLYING IN AIR😂😂
A Delta in level flight is fast. Even Tejas top speed is higher.
@@bibekchakraborty3045when hatred is more important than education.
Tejas has a delta wing design JF-17 can never compete with its speed.
6:45 sai aesa lagh raha hai hawa mein truck chall raha hai
@@shahkhan5973 he kept it slow for a reason and intenionally....YOU NEEDTHAT Maneuverer IN DOG FIGHT. kabhi koi airfighter ka game kat bhi khela hai !?
Tejas Rolling, negative G flying, sharp turn and quick accelerating with max G climb is much better than JF17. clearly visible JF17 has no chance with Tejas.
Chorooo maha chorooo
Yeah man that’s why the Tejo Nakto LAL they’re not had been inducted in the Indian’s own airforce 😂😂😂😂
Then where it was in Feb 2019
Its a bvr world not 1920
In air ...in bvr teju has no chance
First time didn't read the comments while watching the video. Both pilots showed amazing skills and performed exceptionally great. Kudos to all involved.
Why should you not read comments? Why are you so afraid?
Well, you are a Madrasa-chap, now I understand.
He was busy in seeing what his father have created...😂
@@nationlist9247true bhai 😂😂😂😂
@@nationlist9247 and you are RSS chap 🤣🤣🤣
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvno comparison 😅
People who can say that in a cricket World Cup match the toss is fixed, can say anything. 😅😅
Yeah one day before the match their overseas coach gives them a detailed lecture on which side of the coin is called heads and which side of the coin is known as tails
@@vandemataram6639 "no you endian, we plan to steal that coin so that we can purchase aata."
Coming from a non Paksitani, a game hardly played by 10 countries..where's the competition? UFC, soccer, basketball OLYMPICS.
Sustained turn rate and energy retention : JF-17
Instantaneous turn rate and climb rate : Tejas
tejas is trustable jf is made in china product
Tajas flew only in air shows
JF17 flew in reality and completed dozens of combat missions in US War on terror as a front level Alliance
Great achievement
@@ahsanzubair6372 😂really beta how many crashed
@@rajibchakroborthy4181This jet kicked abhinandan's ace😂
Everyone magically turned into aerospace engineers during this video and all collectively shared their “factual” knowledge.
ha' ha
I can see your jealousy 😂😂😂😂
and pakis claiming to have manufactured JF17 indigenously.. but actually they only assemble in Pakistan
@@sachinnegi920 F16 is still better than both of these.
@@rrrttt0113 mig 21 enters the chat:
Tejas what a beauty
It’s one of the ugliest jet fighter in service
@@lonelybullet1 gets the job done physically and emotionally.
@@jazzwithjiggyLMAO
Really goes to show how well delta wings work
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites
@@ISyedZainUlAbideenEven in two circles speed, twr, engine thrust all of that matters and Tejas has higher TWR, thrust and speed than JF-17 so I really wouldn't bet on it.
@@ISyedZainUlAbideennot better than f 16's , because Chinese products are not trustworthy
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
I assumed delta was for range as with the F-16XL??
Tejas small but deadly fighter
deadly for pilots
It's very deadly for Indian pilots. Nickname: Flying Coffin
@@miaorenfeng1Which never crashed ?
@@miaorenfeng1 That would be junk 17 one even managed to crash into arabian sea 😂🤣
@@miaorenfeng1JF 17 looks like fuckedup old Chinies lady in burqa😂😂
I think this just video alone should shut the comparison noise. Such a beautiful jet Tejas is.
Rubbish tejas
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
@@albertcamus7684 93,000 of you orcs surrendered in 1971.
@@albertcamus7684ask your father about what happened in 1971.
@@albertcamus7684Kitne saal bolte rahoge tea is fantastic?
We have world's best fighterjet, engineers spreading knowledge in comment section
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But some illiterate idiots who do not know anything about fighter jets are making fun of them.
Jf 17 not only very slow but bleeds a lot of energy
This issue is
Not gonna go away with current engine
Still much balanced and quicker than tejas.
It's tejas have massive drag... And tiny inlet...
Yeah man that’s why the Tejo Nakto LAL they’re not had been inducted in the Indian’s own airforce 😂😂😂😂
"bleeds a lot of energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
Also That with without Delta wing & Drag. 😂
Teju Lal will make good chatni of Jayat Tayara 17 in real combat 😂
Absolutely stunning by tejas
Apnay moonh mian mitthoo
Then why your own airforce refused to conduct them???
@@darkman11111 teri ammi ko dala, ab tumari bari 🐷
@@fkmaanImprove your knowledge kid😂 they have Tejas sqd in Indian airforce. From where you people get half information 😅
@@Shreeshailbn more than half of those 40 Tejas you keep mentioning are prototypes and test vehicles not ready for any sort of combat. Why do you indians leave this part out.
One like for the chief designer of the Tejas jet - Kota Harinarayana sir... respects for the great man
Those were French dude! Tejas is modernized Mirage 3. Indians hired French Engineers in 80s for 10 million each of 80s money. They brought their design. It has the same combat range (500km) and Fight time (1 hr) as Mirage 3.
Same size, same design.
@@Blackbirdz2000😂😂😂
PROPAGANDA at its BEST
Kota Harinarayana was chief Designer and engineer of HAL Tejas
Are you really blind ?
Look at Mirage 3, it has large air intakes above the wings as it was required for that RR engine
Tejas has small intakes below its wings. And a better engine producing more thrust (85kN)
It is far more maneuverable by design. It has higher payload capacity than Junk Fighter
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
@@Blackbirdz2000 Thanks for telling this, Indians love to lie.
@@lifeisfkingood Mirage and Junk?. Okay jingo boi..
Both are cool jets but i would say I noticed Tejas was not bleeding as much energy as JF17 was this gives Tejas a good advantage..
But both are good jets for sure... as tactics can matter in air and how you use them
Even though it’s a delta wing the FCS on the Tejas is very capable and it has the same kind of automatic slow flight protections as the Typhoon for example with automatic slat extension. The JF-17 by comparison is a relatively outdated and rudimentary affair made mostly out of stamped steel and riveted together, the early versions didn’t even have FBW in all axis so it’s a much more conventional machine reminiscent of the 20th century
What it wasn't bleeding any energy lol
"bleeding energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites and fully digital FBW(in block 2 only 2 axis were digital)
Dude u really have no idea about the aeronautics right? Full Delta designs are notorious for bleeding energy while turning. They that due to the drag on those huge wings. Resulting in poor maneuverability aka turn and burn performance. Maintaining energy is the key advantage of JF17A's over this Tejas Series.
Tejas was smooth & fast like a knife on butter.
only Pilot would know
Typical p@jeet analysis
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
@@AhmedAhmed-oj2li why is gandulla shivering
its literally a cheap knock off of the French Mirage 2000
Tejas design might not look attractive, but being small in design and those quick rolls ability at such speed gives huge advantage....
If Tejas Mk1 beats JF Block 2 by this much gap then what will MK1A which is 1200kg lighter will do? MK2 will be different class aircraft 🤔
MK2 is medium weight
Tejas is much smooth in turns and maneuvers .... exceptional radar crossection and looks far far stealthy than any aircraft in the class
Tejas is a pilot's dream plane, fast on the turns, bends and lightweight enough to dodge radars and out-manuveur any angle of attack. It can be used in numbers to deny any air superiority in air to air combat and with the help of AWACS it's as capable a plane as you want in a hostile zone. Lovely machine ❤
SU-35 and F-35 are better.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT TEJAS WAS A FIGHTER JET NAH BRO IT'S A PLANE
light enough to dodge radars?? out-maneuver any angle of attack???
@@LatestDesignsForYou a fighter jet is a plane
@@averagestudent5223 haha funny
The Lady Speaks more louder than the Aircraft Engine.
Waah kya moves tha tejas ki taraf se, love from Nagaland-India
Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Jali na Teri bhi😂😂@@lucasleo7192
@@lucasleo7192 Made and design in China, Colour painted in Pakistan 😂 JF17
😂😂😂
Let's conduct an air exercise between all light catagory fighter jets currently available, i.e. Tejas mk2, JF17 block 3, Saab Gripean, South Korean FA50, American F16 - not in DCS but actual combat like senareo . As a defence enthusiast egarly waiting for this 😊
F16/Gripen isn't Light Weight Fighter, its Medium Weight. Its the USAF who designates her as light which has more to do with their Hi/Lo mix. They Deploy F15/22 as High end fighters to give the main punch/blow to the enemy and F16/35 as low end to due the mopping job or deal with stragglers. Meaning that F15/22 act as bomb/BVR trucks and F16/35 as escorts.
But as of a few years ago, they r now also building a new proper 4.5 gen light weight fighter (under 15K kg max payload). F16 (19,187 kg MTOW) is Rafale, J10, Mig29/35, EF2000, JAS 39 Gripen (16,500kg MTOW) etc. type Medium Weight Fighter (MWF).
As for FA-50 its a LIFT fighter meaning fighter trainer. Proper LWF are Tejas Mk 1/1A and JF17 series. Tejas Mk-2 is said to be a MWF.
@@SnowLeopard2121 then what you will say about f35 ??
@pratimapatra541: Not much to compare. F16 blk 70+ wins the race. As far as Tejas Mk2 goes, it is on the drawing board, who knows how it will do. F16 is a combat veteran and is still the king of the skies.
JF17 Block 3 ✅
Gripen ✅
FA 50 ✅
F16 ✅
But what's Tejas mk2? Is that even a thing.....?
Bro teajs mk2 is nit light category it is medium category
The delta wing looks nice and refreshing . The other jets looks like a standard F 16
More like upgraded single engine F5.
no it doesnt its a old ass design what? and its ugly
@@weishi9804It's call F-20 Tigershark. That plane is one nasty badass if used well.
@@Rosawww Practicality over looks....
It was modified from Mig-21
JF-17 has ability to take sharp turns at low speed,
Tejas has a smoother turn radius but at high speed.
Wow..How Mejistic Tejas is. ❤
Tejas's maneuverability looks much faster and smoother than JF 17.
deltas r faster, thats how delta designs work. However, they are extremely poor in maneuverability. They cant turn, arnt much agile and nimble. And thats absolutely vital for any aircraft in modern warfare to dodge enemy AA/AD missiles....and even though the realistic chances of BFM r low, but if it happens, then this becomes absolutely vital.
Turning and Burning is the name of the game!
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
@@albertcamus7684 theek hai bhai JF17 is better OK now?
@@albertcamus7684apni army army kiyun chilate ho already 93k surrender Kiya tha okk😅
@@Blackbirdz2000 Yep but Tejas is a highly unstable design hence it has brilliant maneuverability.
Superb menouverability by tejas hats of to pilot
Fantastic teajas!😅😅😅
@@kafir978493k💀
@@kafir9784like fantastic brahmos 😂😂
Laughing stock of the world 😂😂😂
@@kafir9784fantastic spice 2000
Sin ser experto , la presentación de TEJAS fue mucho mas agresiva que el jf-17 .... A los hermanos de INDIA un saludo
Wings of Tejas looks much more Futuristic and out of the League ...👍
No it doesnt Its design from a long time ago
Firefox's wing looks even more futuristic.
Wings are designed according to the engine's demand, I bet you to use broad wings on C 17.
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Tejas is good jet..
Tejas is promising. In fact, it can give mirage 2000 a hard time. But i also love the French 🇫🇷 mirages. These are my favorite, Most capable of all platforms.
Better to have been grounded😂😂 these indians fanatics its better in speed only
Both the jets are very good in their own standards. 👌
This single video shows the difference between tejas and Chinese jf 17.
jf17是巴基斯坦的，中国只是协助研制
British engine Tejas
Samosa jet, jis ko coi b use nhi kr rha, even Indian air force b
@@danishmushtaq6009batter than Chinese for sure
@@Alijah007Tera katora knha hai , lekar aa ₹100 dal dunga ata kharid lena😂 , waise bhi hamare ₹100 tumhare liye 300 hai , bhikaris 😂
Love it when they go straight up from a Distance, And the Sound
ویسے بھارت کا تیجاز طیارہ شوخی تو بہت مار رہا تھا مگر پرتیاں پاکستانی طیارہ jf_17 میں بہت زیادہ تھی
Pakistani? Pakistan makes jets?😂
That's completely chinese lol
@@SumonaRoy21 Made in pakistan by pakistani air forse
@@HUNTEZMALIK No, it is not made by the Pakistan Air Force. The air force is not an aircraft manufacturer.
Initially, the JF-17 was entirely built in China by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation. Since 2009, the Chengdu Aircraft Corproration has built a substantial portion of the aircraft, and then shipped the partially-completed airframes to Pakistan for further assembly. That assembly process is conducted by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex - NOT the air force.
JF 17 looks copy frankenstein of mirage 2000 on front the wings of F-18 and the back and tail of F-16 block 30..
Maneuverability of Tejas is much faster than JF17
Yep reliability as well
Nothing matters when your jet can't even perform, Tejas has been grounded in Dubai since 14th of Nov due to its faulty on board electronics
Istantenous turn rate , it must be high because of delta wing configuration
Because jf 17 is two circle fighter so it has sustained turn rate rather than one quick turn
Hahaaa😅
Tejas has high climbing rate and more maneuverable than Jf17 ... Tejas wins the game🎯
let a non Indian, non Pakistani and non biased aviation expert comment
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and this is just tejas mk1, the mk1a will have deadlier EW/BVR and mk2 equals the J10s in Ew/avionics/BVR
Both jets where good but jf17 pilot was struggling with jet and it's control and loosing it energy very quickly with each manuver.in same time Tejas was easily fliping and turning in high speed with out loosing it's energy.due to delta wing configuration or more high-tech flyby wire system with American engines..
dude! u do realize that full deltas cant turn right? those huge wings create a lot of drag and poor fuel mileage. Tejas Mk 1/1A's combat range is only 500 km and 1hr is flight time due to this very reason. And u add weapons on it and aspect ratio comes up which is 1:75. Resulting in Extremely poor maneuverability. Meaning, it cant turn and burn!
@@Blackbirdz2000Delta wings can't turn ?😂
Ask that to Rafale and Mirage 2000.
Actually India has made it according to its needs. Nowadays high combat radius or flight time doesn't matter much !!!
It is the AESA radar, advanced avionics and electronic warfare that matters
Most dog fights don't last more than 10 minutes.
For high combat radius we have Su30 with unmatched 3000kms combat radius.
正好相反，三角翼的飞机就不可能敏捷。转弯半径大，动能损失快。JF-17D是很先进的，由巴基斯坦生产制造，中国提供技术指导
@@ws-jw1tv”CHINA PROVIDES TECHNICAL GUIDANCE “ - China leading or guiding is like a person with impaired vision leading a blind 🤣🤣
Chinese items aren’t even worth their scrap metal value because it’s all tofu dreg engineering. Chinese or their items have no guarantee or warranty
Do they come with wifi hotspots so we can watch youtube videos?
JF-17 looks like what would happen if a F-18 and a F-16 had a child
Becoz it's copy paste
But cheaper product
@@parshuram11023it is a rejected design passed on to China that was rejected there also and now Pakistan use it
This quote refers to Republic of China's Indigenous Defense Fighter(F-CK 1 Ching Kuo), that plane is a F-16 derivative with Northrop's F-5 characteristics. That means both JF-17 and Indigenous Defense Fighter have superb energy retention while Delta wing designs can turn sharply and have better climb rate.
@@YashSingh-xs5yj still better than Tejas (smoking factory) 😊
@@Wazir112smoking factory?
See this Pakistani madarsachap knowledge 😂😂
tejas is carrying pods at both wings called the smoke pod. Inside it there are 2 compartments ...1 filled with oil and other filled with colorant.
if you want color or without colorant. When the pilot opens one of the valves, the oil flows through a small pipe and exits... With the heat it immediately turns into gas and gives this thick smoke
Jahil child 😂
Tejas had 5000+ flights till date and never crashed
While your jf ... crashed many times ...most of the time they can't even fly due to crap quality 😂
Learn to research before you open your uneducated mouth
Tejas looks more reliable
OUR LCA IS CLEARLY THE MORE FASTER AND VERSATILE AIRCRAFT. ALSO PERFECTLY COORDINATED PILOT SKILLS OF OUR LCA. SHOWS CLEAR SUPERIORITY. LCA IS A FAR BETTER FLYING PLATFORM. KUDOS TO ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOPED THIS AMAZING FLYING MACHINE
Fortunately, the reset button was installed when the aircraft was manufactured. More importantly, this time they are here for an air show, not for an emergency takeoff for a military battle.😂
tejas is such a beauty🤩🤩
Tejas is certainly the better looking of the two. Love the delta wing.
Clearly tail-less Delta wing has its limitations. However, adding canards would make it better in maneuverability.
Tejas MK2 will be having this
So it becomes the J20 hahaha
Tejas did better and was more impressive with tight turns and fast climb.
The Tejas look nimble and sleek with better maneuverability.
This is the age of BVR combat and electronic warfare. An aerobatic performance at an air show is just that, entertainment. No country is going to reveal its true war-fighting capabilities and doctrines at such an event. Tejas and JF-17 are never going to come within dogfighting range of each other for gun engagement. This isn’t WW2 with fighters shooting guns at one another where maneuverability gave you an upper hand.
But maneuverability works best against escaping missiles you know .
Just like the scene from top gun .
More maneuverability = more chances of survival if flares run out.
That is what the US thought would happen, until their aircraft were being attacked by guns in Vietnam. Missiles cannot work at close range.
Agility also matters while outturning missiles.
Just like 27feb 2019
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@@ZainGHORI-jy1eo1971
⚡⚡Tejas stole the thunder ⚡⚡
Yep that's for sure
Of course after one cannot even fly and one emergency landing lol 🤣🤣🤣
As a matter of fact hadling at low speed is more difficult and often done in airshows too show low speed handling capabilities Jeff has better low speed handling capabilities while tejas is more agile
Tejas has better maneuverability than the other jet. It effortlessly spins due to its ride by wire tech. The pilot doesn't have to bother the jet and he just needs to point it, on where it is supposed to go. Wow INDIA 🇮🇳
What the pilot demonstrated does not necessarily equal the plane's capability. The capability may be more for either or both. Better not to judge from 10 minute clip.
Teja's Kaveri engined failed along with radar. Tejas now use general dynamics engine and israeli radar.
Fly by wire is standard in all modern fighter jets, its not special.
@@TimmyNigfartish USA F404 engine and Indian Uttam AESA radar, correct your knowledge.
@@pkmkb007what more can you expect from Pakistanis?
The way tejas rolled 😍😍😍
While Odia people in background ; କେତେ ବେଳ ଯାଏଁ ବସିବା
😂😂😂😂
JF 17 was sooo lackluster , even looks Antique , I thought it was better but nah , TEJAS outperformed JF17 in every matrix
The JF-17 looks like bits of F-5, F-16 & F-18. It looks good though.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
4:40 tejas is back 🛩🛩🛩
4:27 Knock Knock Tera Baap Aaya!
Yep landed in emergency as well
Who abhinandan?😅
Yani pakistan wah
☕
4:13 to onward this is classic fude
Jf17 thunder❌️
Jf17 Sitting duck✅️ 🤣
This is 17th day video of dubai aeroshow
The maneuverability and speed of Tejas is much better.
Of course you say that because you are an Indian.
@@LH1xx anyone will say that and i know you don't know the name of the formations which is been showed by both jets because yeah madarsa fetish but let me tell u that tejas can go upto 8.5 g to -3.5 g
and since it has delta wings so it is obviously more maneuverable than jf17
@@atharvpandey3636
8.5 g ?
Almost all modern combat jets can pull 9 g turns
No. its literally a cheap knock off of the French Mirage 2000
Tejas is excellent fighter with much smaller radar cross-section.
Tejas looks like a missile 🔥
Samosa
@@jhonzaigam8595better than junk fighter 😅😂
A jump back to the past...
Northop F20 Tiger shark Vs General Dynamics F16XL.
Very reminiscent of those two old planes .
Interesting fact tejas is inspired by F20 tiger shark and it uses its engine Also the F404-IN20
Look carefully at its sleek fuselage.
Clearly can see the difference well done Tejas 👍👍
So people fighting here about JF 17 vs Tejas over just their own rival analysis.
Let me clear this air. Both birds are great.
1. JF 17 is a low cost competitor to F 16 while Tejas is a low cost competitor of Mirage ✅️
2. JF 17 has a strake based configuration trimmed delta wing which provides more aerodynamic agility based on payload penalty configuration. A multi role aircraft config ✅️
3. Tejas is a delta wing bird which gives its more payload advantage compared to JF 17 but at a reduced aerodynamic agility offered by delta wing aircrafts.✅️
Tejas is half a generation ahead of Mirage2000. Mirage2000 are on the verge of retirement next decade, while Tejas is a new entry and would continue to serve for decades to come.
"Low-cost COMPETITOR to Mirage" lol
Lightest + fastest + carry heavy payload + high manoeuvrability + zero crash history = LCA tejas
Also, zero flight history
Jk
@@lilsweeny1678 Showpiece aircraft bro
How teja will get crash when it's not fly ..can a parked car in garage get accident?
By the time Junk Fighter will be taking a turn
Tejas can spin 3 times
It's very true that the second time in Dubai Airshow junk samosa was not able to fly. Can you confirm the reason please.
Tejas also makes a great glider. Mostly, useful for one day, the next 2 days needed rest because it was 30 years in the making and gets tired easily. It is not much more than an early model Mirage. It looks so roughly made that to take it seriously as a contender against JF 17 is compare Maruti to Lexus.
We all know tejas is junk and rubbish aircraft
@@edwardpakland3165 No It's Not True It Takes 5-7 Years From Designing To First Flight & 17 Years From Designing To Induction Please Correct Your Knowledge Madrasha Chap😂😂🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣
@@edwardpakland3165 Madrasa student spotted ****
Those desi aunties talking in the back😭😭
Its weird that how bad JF17 performed in this show , its like it doesnot even have a optimised flyby wire system , totally inefficient and even the hard points look like pure stealth nightmare , just a plane WAITING TO BE SHOT IN AIR , waste of Engineering
Just remember its Chinese made, stop fighting in the comments😂😂
Tejas look like Irani kamikaze drone 😧😧
There is no competition between them jf-17 is 100th gen jet and can go invisible, while tejas is just a 4th gen boat. 😂😂
Why are you getting afraid 😅
Who said it goes invisible you are 775 mph slower than us 😂, Tejas is more light weight, you have less reliability (4 crashes already), we have more maneuverability than the trash can jf17
Yes you are right. JF17 goes invisible because it may explode mid air. Tejas is as stable as a boat that remain in battle.
😂😂 well I don’t know why comparing every jet have their quality
@@samrathsingh8548More crashes because there r more units of jf17 and jf17 flys also whereas Tejas is grounded so yk 🤣🥱
are the tejas turns slightly longer, someone please confirm
是的 有点长
I noticed the second jet (Tejas?) was slower to aileron roll , or maneuver in general probably due to the large delta wing and lack of canard ? But then I got to the comments and everyone somehow has the exact opposite impression that I had and claim it was faster / more agile than the first plane ..? Wild . Chalk it up to bias perhaps ? Because I don't have any love or hate for these aircraft either way just appreciate new jets . Still wild how people can convince themselves of things like that , though . . I mean it doesn't matter anyways -- radar , missiles , a gazillion other factors would make more of a difference in an actual fight anyways . So why get so heated ? Not like we designed or flew it , right ?
Tejas is a great home grown fighter jet. ❤❤
Proud of our Engineers
Tejas looks good in straight line speed. JF17 looks on its turn.
Keep up the healthy competition, boys. As long as we manufacture our own equipment both our countries will save precious foreign exchange & generate employment to our own folk.
The most important thing is the electronic systems and radar which goes to JF-17 but the maneuvers goes to Tejas, you can't judge till you see real dogfighting between them, there is other factors that affect which is better also .
Israeli Avionics is better than chinese
What are you smoking?
Zero knowledge about about fighter jets ?
@@KanishhkaaIsrael jet can bomb only civilians hospitals 😂😂
What is the Tejas production rate? I read it was 10 a year. An order for 100 aircraft would take 10 years. It would be obsolete before the last one enter service.
This is one of the major problems with the program, yes. However, HAL plans to up the rate very quickly to 28 per year.
JF 17 block 3 (?) Bigger, heavier, more fire power, better range.
Tejas light, agile, quick acceleration, accurate, good to watch.
Firstly dry weight of JF 17 is higher which makes its payload less 1000 kg from Tejas and there are no such fighter jet mounted missile in Pakistan arsenal which can cover 1200 km range of combat nor do they have a gps navigated missile .
JF17 doesn't have more fire power Tejas has higher payload.
The question really is how many each of the jets has been and will be produced and deployed. No matter how differently they appear in this air show clip of minutes, these two jets fall into the same category and generation, which means none of them will likely reach an overall exchange rate of bigger than 1:2 fighting each other in real battles. Ultimately what factually matters will only be the production capacities and deployment numbers of them.
It also depends on weapons it carries Tejas can use indian missiles like Astra mk1 and mk2. But it can also use Israeli meteor missiles. And Russian missiles too.
And the most important the hypersonic Brahmos.
But if we talk about numbers
Indian airforce ranks 4th in the world after US, China and Russia.
Currently IAF have 100 Tejas, and will order 97 more. IAF also have 250 SU 30, 69 mig 29, 50 Miraj 2000, and 50 mig 21. Tejas will replace Miraj and migs too.
Logistics Department：“please kill us 🤣"
Purchasing Department”who care! we need rebate noly😅"@@Shubham_Bahirat
@@Shubham_Bahirat o pagal barmus kahan sy hypersonic ho gya 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvIndeed, Bramhos 1 is supersonic but Bramhos 2 in production is hypersonic. But it's still in production phrase.
Shaurya is Hypersonic but it's Surface to surface missile.
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dv he is talking about future hypersonic variant of bramhos dear madarachap . Tejas can fire advanced python -5 missile also.
Both seem to have pretty tame flight control systems like that if an F-15C. The Tejas jet definitely has tons of induced drag (for obvious reasons) as seen in the climb in the loop. The JF-17 seems to barely miss the F-16's rate and absolute chokehold turns. The F-16 flies the same turn with I'd guess 4 degrees of AOA less than that JF just did. Cool jets though
We are still decoding vedhas for the configuration of Vedic fighter plan.
My man really know how internet works lol.
Love both jf17 and tejas
Both aircraft is great in their own role but in my own opinion i like more of jf-17 in term of look alone it look beautiful. Dont get me wrong tejas is also good but for delta nothing can beat mirage or mig 21 in term of look alone.
Look doesn't matter bro
Work done by the machine is matter 🤷
Jange Junk Fighter 17 😂😂😂
Chinese reject JF-17 again disappoints. Just look at the angle of attack of JF-17 with Russian RD-73 engine, pathetic! Chinese engines are so bad that even rejected JF-17s use Russian engines. Anyhow, you get what you pay, low cost product will always be a disappointment, however with the economy like pakistan, this is best they can do for their future.
T jas killed it 💥
😂
Even a child will tell the difference. Tejas turning radius is so tight and stable. Meanwhile look at jf17 flying like the pilot is training on it.
Then why are you getting french planes? Use the tejas against thunders
🤣🤣🤣 jal bete jal tujhe bhi chai pilain ge
@@farhanashraf4297 why is Pakistan purchasing chinese jets when Pakistan has jf17?
@@fkmaan Teri ammi ki doodh chai dena mujhe
@farhanashraf4297 - That's hardly a fair comment. No one aircraft type can fulfil every role. Just as India purchases the Tejas and the French Rafale, Pakistan is ordering J-10CEs from China in addition to the JF-17.
Just looking at both aircrafts one can deduce that the Indian TEJAS is a much better made and superior machine than the Chinese/ Pakistani JF-17 Thunder.
The Tejas aircraft is certainly capable of outperforming the F22 and J20 fighters, establishing India as a formidable superpower alongside the United States.
Hmm, on a delta wing 70s Mirage copy with a US made engine? Well side...
@@极限洛希 abay chodu 2.25 march speed hai raptor ki. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 There's fuckin no chance against raptor
@@preetyfacefuljf 17 is literally a poorly re-engineered f16 lmao
@@preetyfaceful The Chinese should not even try to comment on copying. That's one area China is shamelessly good at. 😂😂
Tejas is best new Indian king❤️🔐
Look at that indian beuty ❤
That planform at 0:10 sure look a lot like the old Northrup F-20 Tigershark?
I think the HAL Tejas is a more manoeuvrable aircraft and It always shocks me how it looks like someone put scaled down Vulcan bomber wings on a Mirage 2000 airframe.
But the JF-17 Thunder for it's price is pretty bloody good. Where the designer put the F-5, F16 and F/A-18 in a blender, whacked a MiG-21 radar in it and and a single MiG-29 engine in and liked what came out.
bruh the Block 3 has a AESA radar
The Tejas is an imitation of the French Mirage fighter.
MIG21 RADAR? LOL engine one is true tho, the engine is Russian and has some problems but we are working to fix that problem soon.
Well the tejas is pretty much just a mishmash of ideas taken from other designs and put together using imported parts
@@janusjones6519lol you really compare aircrafts by look lol tejas is light weight aircaft
Tejas 🔥🔥🔥🔥👌
Tejas is much swift and manuerable, jf17 is moving like a target practise decoy 😂, just able to perform manuers but not so swift and agile as tejas.
Whatever makes you sleep well