Corners really aren't that effective. Here's how they could be better.
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Only 3% of corners taken in Europe’s top-five leagues resulted in a goal (between 2010-2020). That’s staggeringly low. Yet we all get so excited when our team is awarded a corner kick.
Hypothetically, what rule changes could be implemented to increase the chance of seeing a goal from a corner kick?
Written by Seb Stafford-Bloor, illustrated by Philippe Fenner.
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they should just allow both teams benches and managers to come onto the field and join the corner, 19v19, imagine Marcelo Bielsa scoring a 90th minute winner
I feel like that would result in a lot of accidental fouls lol
😂😂😂😂😂
Pretty sure Bielsa in a corner is a 70% chance that he dies in said corner
Haha
This was so unintentionally hilarious😂😂😂
Tifo -corners really aren't that effective. Myself a Manutd fan who has his heart in his mouth in every corner we defend
In every corner we take too. Much more likely to concede from the resulting counter-attack than to score from the corner.
@@xvbnihfuilnllpjgxnjitgvbsy so much for our "new set piece coach" innit?
From champions league winning corners to......
@@JoshuaC923..... championship winning corners
😭True
Even though it‘s true that there is a low conversion rate, one has to consider how many corners there are in a game. I don‘t know the exact numbers, but having 10 corners in a game isn‘t that uncommon. If we boost the effectiveness to just 10%, we‘d end up with a corner-goal every match… not saying that’s something we definitely don‘t want, but it would change the game quite a lot.
EDIT: in the Premier league there were an average of 10.15 corners per game in the 2020/21 season
I'd go so far to say that this would be something I wouldn't want. The beauty of football lies within adapting to situations in the flow of the running game, not studying set pieces. Also it would lead to loads of mindless shots just to create more corner situations. Imo there are even too much corner goals in football rn given the weight of a single goal in a match
Most of those corners are due to the opposition just mindlessly clearing the ball. They would stop doing that if the chance of the ball going in is 10%. I'd say it needs to be 20% so that we get more fluid games and interesting corners.
@@shambhav9534 Is that true though? I feel like especially in top games defenders work pretty hard to keep the ball in the field. Idk if there is good data on this, but imo most corners are pretty much forced
yeah it's like when the penalty rules were changed and directly the season after was an all time record for pens in the premier League
@@lukasmiller8531 We'll only know if we test it.
One attacker can volleyball spike it into the goal
If he stands on the right time and place
Goalkeepers can handle the ball in both boxes.
@@andrewsutherland7913 rugby
Yeye lmao
But nobody on either team knows who it is, so it becomes this 2 way game of chicken
I liked the idea of expanding the corner mark, not necessarily 10 yards, but to give the crossing player “more room to breathe”. But I would still maintain the no off side corner rule despite this change.
No. Football isn't all about attack
I'm pretty sure there isn't a "no off side corner rule". There isn't offside in corners because the player is basically kicking the ball from the goal line
There are a lot of instances where simply kicking the corner is difficult, because you have to start off the pitch, and there isn't always room for a run-up. I've tried it and it makes delivering a good ball almost impossible. Expanding the quadrant would at least allow people space for a run-up!
Something like hockey would be interesting
All the defenders have to start on the goal line and the attackers have to start outside the box
I think 3 yards could be good. It also makes the left corner more accessible for left footed players and vice versa.
If the corner quadrant was increased to 3 yards (not 10) I reckon that's a fair compromise. The rest I feel are unfair to the defending team. Part of the novelty of corners is that resulting goals are rare.
Agreed. Tifo thinks more goals automatically equals more entertainment.
Perfect
Imagine playing the classic Italian team or Mourinho's Inter. Conseding a goal from a corner within 10 mins and then having to destroy three parked busses in the next 80 mins. Not necessarily a good watch
Yeah 10 is so high it's stupid.
Maybe 5 could also work
Interesting ideas, but it does just seem like a roundabout way for TIFO to say they hate defenders.
Eh not really. Rule making is about the ratio at which you want goals scored vs not scored. Nothing really personal towards defenders
@@Lightwaverable And you think it's rational?
@@Lightwaverable It's just a joke. I'm not wanting people to take it as a serious comment.
One of the The Athletic UK soccer podcasts (forgot which one) had a guy complain about corners as well and saying the rules needed changing. This video was just the visual representation of that. This topic isnt really in line with what Tifo does and is more akin to talking heads doing hot takes.
@@7up3r7 what
This seems like it would benefit teams that control most of the possession. More possession = corners. When corners become stronger, it becomes harder to shut out stronger teams by sitting back. Whether thats positive or negative is up to interpretation.
It would also strengthen teams who practice set-pieces more than scoring from open play
@@Tomwithnonumbers which are typically the teams with less possession who are hoping to hit on the counter or with a set piece. Could go either way this
I kinda feel that way, but it's also easy for a counter attacking team to have strong headers in defence and have one quick striker just take a shot at goal. Best case scenario they score, or they win a corner which the strong defenders could score and worst case scenario the keeper holds onto it or the ball misses the target.
@@Tomwithnonumbers I know what you mean! Brentford in the premier league is big on set pieces, they take so long to set it up and so many it's almost like running american football plays. Since there is no stop time for set pieces, it also wastes the game time and breaks up real flowing open play!
@@JoshAston23 exactly, it means opportunity for reward despite sitting back all the time increases, which would if anything encourage sitting back if u are just unable to match the opponent toe to toe
Increase the effectiveness of a corner, increase the amount of teams playing boring football to win corners.
It can also punish those teams that defend w 11 players for 90 minutes
@@sakshambansal8928 do you have any idea how hard that is?
@@RichMitch how hard it is to get corners when you have 80% possession? What?
Just as an exame, Portugal 3- 0 Hungary where Hungary defended for like 88 minutes before the 3 goals Portugal had 6 corners, Hungary 0. Now if goals from corners were like 10% one of those corners would have been a goal, opening up the game
@@coachcro7722 no. How hard it is to defend for 90 minutes
Oh you don’t like players defending because they are too boring for you?
This whole video presupposes that there's something wrong with a 3% conversion rate. Does Tifo have an argument for why it should be higher?
Exactly. You can "win" a corner from completely unthreatening positions. Why should corners be effective?
I remember that back in the 90s, I heard someone (probably a former player or a pundit) saying that a corner is a 1/4 goal. It was either a big exaggeration or corners were much more effective in the past. That being said, Sporting scored two almost identical goals from corners in the CL the other night, so I checked the stats and they had 7 corners. This is certainly more of an anomaly and it was probably games like this that made people think corners are more dangerous than they actually are.
Yeah nothing wrong with 3%, corners not a foul to punish defending team, it's just giving attacking team ball possession to prevent defenders from kicking the ball out boringly.
They should have presented a study saying it has decreased from 10% within the last 20 years or something like that. Because as you said. I have no clue if 3% is normal or not.
wait wait wait wait. (1) 3% is a relatively high rate. it’s higher than goals scored after throw-ins. and it’s higher than goals scored after the ball switches possession. it’s only logical that corners should yield less goals than free-kicks from the same distance. (2) it’s good defending to kick the ball out in corner. (even better defending to kick it out on the side, where a throw-in has an even smaller chance of scoring). It’s also good goalkeeping to punch the ball in corner. The game should reward good defencing not punish it.
Football is not broken don’t try to fix it. The fundamental rules and regulation lines of football are so darn perfect it’s no surprise it’s the most popular spectator sport ever. It just works. It’s a game that seems to reward the right actions, and at the same time anything can happen. It’s perfect. The corner circle radius is perfect. Just as the size and shape of the penalty box is.
Thanks well written
Woah woah relax it isn’t perfect football has no fundemental rules outside of ball pass dribble shoot score in the net and u have a goal.
Throw ins, red. Cards penalties free kicks corner kicks aren’t original parts of football …
What do you have to say about the fact that the size of football goals are relatively smaller as the average height of goalkeepers (and humans in general) have drastically increased since 100 years ago?
@@BigmanDogs goal size should stay the same because it affects everyone the same and seems to be a perfect compromise to this day. If you make it bigger what are amateur keepers supposed to do? And in any event, we don’t have a problem of too few goals in pro leagues. There’s plenty of goals as is.
I think you haven't thought about the consequences in the dynamics of the game with these new rules...
I am all for improving the game but goals on corners are not something we want that much. Teams would just try to gain corners instead of trying to score goals through technical plays. Also, corners are not always a sign that a team is attacking effectively, so punishing a team so much for conceding a corner is not good for the game as a whole.
That said I would increase the corner a bit, maybe 1.5m... just to make for more room and I would keep the No Offside rule on corners
There is actually no No Offside rule for corners. This effect results solely from the ball being kicked from the outer edge of the pitch.
The only No Offside rule there is in football is concerned with throw ins.
@@lonestarr1490 Sorry, but I think there is a rule for that. The corner area is 1 yd, so you could be offside, so they added it to the 'no offside' list. You also can't be offside on a goal kick.
No one logically plays like that. It’s the same argument as the nba will get obsessed with 3s yet the best teams in the league last year had the best driving and best rebounding of any other team. It’s a new layer that takes a vestigial limb and makes it useful again. If anything it’ll balance games where big money teams just pass themselves to a win. Now you can’t bank on high pod free agents to stop the counter with a week clearance. Now total team defense is necessary.
I am United fan and I honestly think that the best way to make corners effective is by letting Ole Gunnar Solskjær and his coaching staff manage the defending team.
You might be a United fan but you're not a United supporter!!
Or just any play really, Ole seems to let the ball roll past them easy enough
"Corners aren't that effective" - not if you have Alisson going up to head the ball 😅
😂Not to forget the fantastic crosser of the ball that is Trent Alexander-Arnold
@@Alex-hb9og Oh yes, him and Robbo are the best!
Or Shane Duffy
How can corners be more dangerous? Put a drunk sniper on the roof who will shoot any player in the box at random.
🤣🤣
If the goal conversion goes up by the corners, wouldnt the game itself will become ' just get the corner' game? Obv thats just if there is an additional changes in the layout or a player's requirement to occupying a different pos.
I fear it will become more like American football. I agree with tifo that corners are useless, but I don't want to see more of them being scored: I would rather have teams realise they're useless, and not shepherd the ball out for a corner, and instead try to do something creative with the ball.
@@devononair 3% conversion rate doesn't mean they're useless. On average there are about 10 corner kicks per match (Premier league 2020/21 season the average was 10.15). Hence, in 10 matches about 3 corner kicks result in a goal. This means that for any given match the chances are just a little bit below 30% that at least one corner kick will lead to a goal.
Yes, and especially as it's worth remembering the game isn't played by just pros - young/inexperienced players are terrible at preventing and defending corners and to make them even more punishing on the defense would probably dramatically affect youth development in terms of what coaches have to focus on, and then you'd eventually see effects on the overall game at higher levels, i.e. lower quality of open play.
It's 3% because some teams make thier living fromcornor and free kicks and other entirely abandon them
10-15% for the teams that train for them and 0% for the teams that don't care
+ end game corners have 10 players in the box xD so yeah the hype is well earned
Any restart of play from the ball being out of bounds (goal kick, corner, throw in) results in the offside rule being inactive. So this rule would also need to change in order for the first example to work.
I always love it when the keepers come up for corners, you've got the rare chance of an 'Alisson'... and also the chance of a defender hoofing it and a striker jogging it into an empty net.
You can "win" a corner from a completely unthreatening position next to the corner flag. Why should that be rewarded with a high conversion set piece? A corner is basically a restart after missing the goal. Low conversion rate is appropriate.
Corner can be very effective if you have John Terry and Branislav Ivanovic waiting for the ball
Yup, remember when united had a corner goal disallowed, then scored from the retake. Having John Terry and Ivanovic would be a dream for teams
Yeah but what if you have Abou Diaby kicking JT in the face at every corner? LOL
A moment of silence for my fellow goalkeepers who doesn't want any of this BS to happen 😆💀
Taking players way from the box during the corner would take away the excitement of a "all in" game winner corner at the end of the game.
I think moderate versions of these wild Ideas could work
Tell Wenger these ideas which might actually improve the game 🤷♂️
Nope. Wenger is too busy trying to make the World Cup a yearly money maker for fifa
@@unstoppableExodia bruh thats what he meant by his comment
These ideas are horrific, honestly. Football isn't all about attacking
@@R9naldo yes it is
@@R9naldo ngl it's pretty funny that your profile picture is of Ronaldo - I suppose you're just a massive fan of his famed defensive work? lol
Lacazette watched this video and proved them wrong😂
This would create a negative tactic where a team would play defensive and rely on getting goals with corner
That would also mean attacking teams would take advantage of a corner, no? The result would be more high-scoring games rather than more advantage for attacking teams, given more chances given to both teams to come up with set-piece variations. In turn it would actually encourage defensive minded teams to go out and try to win corners more, opening up play.
How is it a negative tactic? Oh there are good and bad tactics now??
@@abdul-razaqq9621 Yes. Parking the bus is considered "negative".
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610
You mean defending is negative?
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 well, it shouldn't be. It's a tactic. Who's to say which is good or bad. People have been brainwashed with that ideology
Love this page
Love an early morn upload too whilst im at the gym
Blows my mind every time a professional football can’t beat the first man on a corner
I'm with you. Short corners also bug me, I know there are stats involved and all that but so often they take it short and don't get it in anyway. Free opportunity to cross the ball in at your leisure and then they scuff it or play it short. The stats might not be in favour of playing it short if they just...you know...kicked the ball right.
The angle sector you have to hit is extremely narrow. Yes, you have to beat the first man - but only by the smallest of margins. Because otherwise you'll end up beating everyone else as well, including your teammates.
@@comatoast5610 There's nothing wrong with playing short, teams just don't have any idea what they're doing with it, very few teams take short corners in a way that is much different than "let's get a slightly better angle to make a bad cross in a packed box".
My idea: limit the number of players in the box to 10, decided by a sprint from the halfway line. The first 10 to reach the box get to stay in it for the corner!
1) Have one corner taker on each side.
2) Both corners taken simultaneously.
3) Jeopardy!
Love this type of content. So many people lacking imagination get their knickers in a twist about the idea of changing anything. But if this change was made they would never look back
I quite liked the 10 yard corner rule. It would make it more tactically interesting
@@footballfanar7848 THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A FREEKICK... NOTHING MORE TACTICAL...
Good work Seb on the corner conundrum facing teams.
Second strategy is actually useful for both teams depending on expertise.
Why should we want teams to score from corners more?
It'd be interesting to watch a video on possible options for doing away with corner kicks altogether.
Brilliant video, I didn't realise there was a problem until I watched the video but now I can't help think how much better the game would be with a bit of corner tweaking!
Anyone here after besiktas vs sporting and 3 of the goals were from corners😂😂😂
*This video* makes Didier Drogba"s 2012 headed goal in the Champions League Final even more incredible.
Respectfully.
Great video
hearing joe devine's voice is so soothing
Except when he's announcing sponsors 😆 tOooDaYyys'S viDeO...
My opinion is 4 yard corner line and implement a rule which states: there can be no more than 2 more defenders than attackers in the penalty box before the cross has been played
In other words if there is 5 attackers then the other team has a limit of 7 defenders in the box until the ball has been kicked. This means the team which is taking the corner is in control of whether to prevent the counter attack or go all out for the goal, which I think is fairer than it currently is.
Corner conversion rate being at 3% is a good thing. Tweaking it and making it easier to score from would mean teams would try winning corners for 90mins rather than attacking “normally”, especially for underdog teams. They would boot the ball up to the corner flag and contest the ball there hoping to win a corner. Then after a corner is won, their chance to score would be 10% for example, if these ideas are implemented.
I think if the ball has gone out of play in the 18 yard box then the corner should be awarded from the edge of the 18yard box.
Don’t they have something like this in hockey?
That's a good idea!
NO
I do really like the idea of a more spacious box with limited player numbers. It would improve the spectacle. Corners are so incredibly dull. Perhaps you could favour the defensive team with a one man advantage in the box.
One of the best videos from Tifo
That 3% chance is what creates anticipation excitement
Something like hockey would be interesting
All the defenders have to start on the goal line and the attackers have to start outside the box
this creates the potential american football kickoff problem where they found that a majority of concussions resulted from the way the teams red rovered each other on squib kicks. if you both start that far away and both going up for the headers its very dangerous.
@@piersonjamesa Thats a great point
Only here for that insane Manscaped ad. That was wild.
the first 2 sugestions seem ok. still:
1- 3% sucess rate may mean less goals scored but greater enthusiam/joy when a goal does come from a corner kick. Football is about emotion and everybody loves an underdog.
2.-40% dont fo pass the first defender just means bad corner kick takers.
Interesting recommendations. I actually quite like the last one (4:49) as, at some point in the future, heading will be outlawed. That idea would work in both today’s and tomorrow’s game.
Why do you believe heading will be outlawed. If anything they would implement helmets first, which could see microphones added into those helmets for manager, player communication leading to the rapid evolution of tactics.
Amazing inventive video🙌
'nothing says Halloween like real blood'...testicles instinctually perform a tactical retreat...
Brilliant ideas these!
The only time a corner is dangerous is when it's taken quickly.
Origiiiiiiiii
It would make games more exciting and high-scoring that being said I absolutely despise the changes.
the last one sounded fine i think
Football fans be like "it would make the game more interesting, but I hate it"
@@man4437 yes ( gives no further explanation )
I'm up for this change.
Tifo be reading my mind
“TODAYS VIDEO” - now that was spooky
Alison Becker: Laughs with an evil bullet header
Every Manager after watching this: WRITE THIS DOWN WRITE THIS DOWN
One of my favourite Tifo videos
I like the suggestions a lot!
Was going to stop watching when the ad started but I stayed for Joe's spooky story
why do we have corners at all, btw? was there a time when people did throw-ins from the baseline?
I think Sergio Ramos didn’t get the memo about corners being hard to convert 🤩🏆
"What could make corners more dangerous?"
Me (to myself) : crocodiles :)
I think corners are fine as they are to be honest. Never thought of them as an issue. It's not like we're short of goals in modern football, so I wouldn't think that more attacking changes were necessary at all. 🤷♀️
I love this!! It’s something I’ve had a gripe with for so long. Allowing for interesting routines would be so much more entertaining. You know City, Brentford and Brighton would design some brilliant plays. The other major downside with the current format is how a 3% success rate is such a poor outcome for the number of headers involved in clearances. So many unnecessary headers that will be affecting the health of player.
Can you guys do a video on the history of the advantage rule?
True, most of the times corners dont result in much , but every now and then we get a spark of genius...like "corner taken quickly" or Toni Kroos's goal from corner in Laliga. :)
The ad read👏🏻. That's all I have to say.
The first two idea is ridiculous, conversion rate will be sky high if implemented. The third idea is already being implemented by good tactical teams occasionally. There is actually no need to change Corners rule. Maybe our focus should be on Offside and handball rule.
"Defenders are able to face the play and see what's in front of them"
Not always an advantage when you have someone named Maguire who forgot there is someone behind
What are the stats like for free kicks around that area?
Excellent video. Some thoughts that I've had 1. Nil nil ties should result in zero points for both teams. 2. A player that forces an opposing player off the field through injury, must also leave the field until the injured player returns or is subbed. 3. The possession stat should only be when the team possesses the ball in the attacking half.
But corners shouldn't be that effective tho :), you get them a lot of times from luck
they used to be much mire effective for a long time clearly corner should be effective otherwise we would have changed is a long time ago
Crazy ideas are not so crazy by the time passes. Good topic.
I definitely wouldn't be on board with games being decided in corner goals, but the last idea at 4:51 is a very good one.
There’s a rule in hockey for short corners where you can only have a maximum amount of defenders defending the corner. It allows for great counter attacks since the defending team’s players are much higher up the pitch, so if you defend well against a very dangerous set piece you could potentially break very quickly and devastatingly
I like the idea of limiting the number of players allowed in the box. It would almost create the kind of vibe you get in hockey with penalty corners. Exciting scrambled strategic set play opportunities.
Something like hockey would be interesting
All the defenders have to start on the goal line and the attackers have to start outside the box
NOOOO
Trent Alexander-Arnold: Nyet, corner is fine.
Nah fam I’d rather not score a corner than to have an anfield looking an elf’s tank top
What is the goals pr. corner kick, but within injury time? Or after 85 mins.
Would love any of these suggestions to be given a go, but could you imagine the uproar if any were to be trialled?! The sky would be falling in for so many people. I think the bigger corner spot is the best idea. Maybe not quite as big as you suggested but opening up angles would certainly help.
Very interesting perspectives, I would support the 10 yards expanded quadrant, seeing that it would not take away much from how the game is currently played, and without restricting players' movement into areas at any time. Great idea.
How about an indirect FK in line with where the ball went off, say 20-odd yards from goal? Or (broadly as suggested) defending team are only allowed to defend with a number of players based on however many the attacking team wants to attack with? (Other players off to halfway line)
Ideas somewhat borrowed from hockey and rugby, who have created solutions to mitigate the messy free-for-all equivalents in their sports (with mixed effectiveness)
Love that idea
@@justanormalguy9744 yea I imagine in this scenario a ball over the bar starts like 20 meters from whichever goal corner it was closest to. But anywhere else is right in a perpendicular line to where it went out.
But still 20 meters from the goal line.
finally tifo thought abt this!! i wont happy either if we only get corner the sake of attacking
I feel like football fans are fiercely proud of how low scoring the game is, and would hate anything that makes goalscoring easier. I know I do 😂 How many times have we heard the defense "But that would mean you'd have 4 or 5 penalties a game!" when a law change is suggested, and that's enough to end the debate?
That’s because the game is now very well balanced
If penalties or corners were made easier then teams would just try and overuse them
Absolutely love the idea of developing the game, to better fit modern players and tactics, without damaging the fundamentals of the game, but I think some of this might be a case of "the punishment being too harsh for the crime." Moving the corner "spot" 3-5 meters backwards, would be a great start.
Best corner ever taken was Trent against Barcelona, their fourth goal in the UEFA knockout stages a few seasons ago
Has Half man half biscuit once said
"And I cheer for a corner
I don't know why, they rarely lead to a goal"
I like the idea of expanding the corner kick idea but all the rest is just too much rules one of the reasons football is the beautiful game is because it’s so simple
this is lowkey sick
2010 - 2020 in Serie A alone the average was 1000 goals a season.. and average of 350 games a season (2.8 goals per game)
Therefore roughly 300 goals (3%) came from corners.. which is one every second game.. is that really bad????
tell that to my football manager save 🤣🤣
I think you tackle the problem precisely in the first 30 something seconds, in the intro: corners aren't more effective because most teams don't care about working on them in training and making them effective. So, the problem is not in the characteristics of the corner kick in itself, but rather the teams/coaches who should be practicing them more, if they want more goals from them.
I remember that in the 19/20 season, the club I like (FC Porto) scored 74 goals, 13 on which where from corners (+5 from indirect free kicks). That's almost 1 out of 6 goals, or almost 1 goal every other game! It was so common that, if the game was kind of difficult, the fans were almost betting on a corner goal to save the game. This was because it was obvious that the coach practiced them frequently, because he saw corners as an opportunity to unlock the score and the team, at the time, was not the best at creating goal chances against tight defenses (which they encounter in 90% of the games in Portugal), so this was a good way to do it. Of course, it also helped that we had a good crosser (Alex Telles, now at Man Utd) and tall guys in the back (Pepe, Marcano and Danilo-now at PSG) that were skilled at heading the ball accurately.
Interesting video. In the last two home matches (16th & 19th Oct) Bradford City both scored and conceded directly from a corner. They scored and conceded against Bristol Rovers, and scored against Hartlepool in the following game. Maybe corners present a greater threat in the lower leagues, possibly as a result of poor defending for set pieces. I might be wrong but corners maybe do produce more goals in the lower leagues than the top divisions.
Corners are a fair reward for the situations that cause them, they don't need to be changed.
Check out field hockey long corners. They're now taken from 23 yards from the back line, in-line with where the ball went out of play. So if a ball deflects off a defender and goes inches wide of the post the attackers aren't penalised and pushed all the way out to the corner flag.
You just described hockey’s corner rules Tifo