This is extremely timely. This evening I felt God drawing me to spend time with Him so I spent some time in prayer and the Word of God. When I came across a scripture that referenced heaven I felt a fear come over me that I’m not going to heaven. This is the third time this has happened in a weeks time so it really scared me. I really do believe I’m a Christian and going to heaven but Satan was throwing fiery darts at me. I know I suffer with OCD but I don’t always recognize it as OCD, so when I saw this video on my feed it was definitely from God! Also, the way you pointed out that we need to have child-like faith was very helpful. I am so intellectual but I need to learn to live by child-like faith.
Been dealing with this theme for about 9 months now. Working on experiencing my thoughts but not interacting with them, and observing the fear but not fighting it. I start Prozac tomorrow, which will hopefully be an aid as I seek to change my thought patterns. Not to mention I try to be in consistent prayer, reminding myself of who God is. I am holding on to hope.
@@onward8231 I believe we suffer due to our fallen nature and that God in His mercy has given us medication to help heal our ailments while we are in this flesh. And obsessive compulsive disorder is no less an ailment than anything physical, and you would not deny a person with a physical illness medication.
I have listened to this twice because its something I struggle with. Growing up in a ministry and having personal issues - I’ve always gone back and forth with deep dive thinking that leaves me overwhelmed and I just go numb.
Ive definitely struggle to receive Gods love. Ive only obeyed him in the past because ive been scared that he will send me to hell. I have a hard time seeing him as a loving father. Its unfortunate but i dont know a loving God
Mark, so thankful I found your page I’m hoping you can help me. I’ve been suffering from existential OCD for 8 months now. It’s been the hardest thing I have ever had to go through. I’m 28 I have 2 young kids and I’m trying so hard to recover. My existential thoughts were triggered from a tiktok on the simulation theory, I then had a panic attack started looking around at everything like what’s real? From there I started compulsively googling other theories and forums of people going through the same theme. Then I came across the solipsism theory and this has been by far the stickiest to get over. Even on better days I will constantly have thoughts like “what’s even real” or just how absurd existence is in general. It’s like Iv become hyperaware of it all. I’ve been raised a Christian since I was little and I’ve always believed in God, but I only just started actually reading the bible and learning the word of god as I’ve been going through this. But I’m still struggling so much and I get very hopeless. I just want to live life again without questioning every single thing including the existence of the people I love the most. Please help
"Please help!" seems to be the way we feel with OCD when it feels insurmountable. I have had this for 32 years now and I am so happy to see a young person dealing with this because from my perspective. Not because you are in distress but because you have more time to make adjustments in your life before it all becomes more challenging. There is wisdom in seeking out experts. I am not an expert on anything but in this area Mark really seems to be an expert. I have no advice but to keep listening. He hits the nail on the head so much it is hard not to recognize that OCD drives a truck through the door doubting opens. Rather than trying to get answers contra your fears maybe sit with the anxiety. I think there is something to be said about feeling discomfort and trying to avoid it too much. I wish you nothing but luck because you are young and you can develop skills to deal with doubt that will help you.
I think about it this way: There are many contradictory belief systems under the same solipsistic umbrella. - 1. Soft solipsism: You don't know if you can trust this reality or the nature of yourself. - 2. Religious grandiosity: You don't know if you're not a god or something divine. They're not really sticky in terms of truth value since they don't have an positive additive function for your life (It's like saying if you're Buddha's toenail in this life and you just don't know it. Cool, how does that change your conduct, again?). That's why non-OCD sufferers can watch the Matrix and Inception without much worry, since they know it's fiction. "Woah, that was weird. Wanna play League of Legends?" Why do they know it's fiction instead of anything else? Because our beliefs OUGHT to be dependent on what we see around us, and taking in the evidence that's there. Beliefs that are insisted without reason are what Satan really wants us to believe. All of those things (solipsism, evil god, living in a dream, computer simulation, brain in a vat) are mutually exclusive and are all equally unconvincing. They only have this thread of "not knowing FOR SURE". It's more than just solipsism. There's so many things in life we aren't sure about: our finances, our relationships, our health, our future. First worry about your salvation. Accept Christ is LORD and do NOTHING with these thoughts. Starve them. Say "No. You're just an intrusive thought." It'll help give you space when you label a lie as one, instead of trying to legitimize its power. [2 Timothy 1:7-8] For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God. We are people that naturally want to worship or think of things. Hence, we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. There are a lot of common sense answers and in depth arguments for why you're not a figment of my dream and why I'm not a digital rendering of your brain in a vat. Yet my answer is Christ's character: I have this 100% faith that God will love me, even when I don't feel God or if it doesn't feel real (even though it is) or when I wander. That needs to be you. It's because Christ said He is Truth. The Bible described Him as Logos: Word, Reason. That's why any of these 'sticky' thoughts are so silly because they ARE antithetical to God and your faith. God is using these tribulations for you to get better and remind you of your finite human nature. Don't lose track! Satan is roaming around, it you're looking straight in his mouth. Draw close to God and He'll draw close to you. "...of you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." Colossians 1:23 Fear God, who can send a person to Hell. If you believe in Christ, these thoughts are still scary, but you're not going to Hell. But first, believe in Christ! ============================= And we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. If we knew all the answers, is that faith? No! That would be omniscience, and OCD's dream and a right for God and God alone. [Romans 8:24-26] 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. ============================= Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?". [Matthew 14:28-33] 28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.” 29 “Come,” he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?” 32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?". ============================= Even in our failures that we doubt God's character, God still will hold onto us in our puny less than a mustard seed of faith. God will guide you out of this! God gets understandably frustrated when finite creation fails to accept their finitude: we can't know the answers and that's why our faith is completely predicated in Christ. That God shows His wrath when people don't fear Him, because people think their philosophical empty vases are sufficient to replace the Word of God. To keep every thought captive to Christ means to let the sticky thoughts be defeated by God's truth, not believing in them, disassociating instead of ruminating from them, and accepting you're a finite human that is under God's grace through Christ. Pray to God, who exists beyond your puny human brain: "Lord, help me with my unbelief!" [Mark 9:23-25] 23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” 24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!” 25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!” ============================= You are NOT these Satanic lies that chime in. The arguments aren't convincing, they're obsessive. It's an annoying song that insists to be remembered. There will be times in life you'll hum this terrible song, but then you'll forget the moment you stub your toe and something horrific. If you feel emotionally blunted, see a therapist, psychiatrist, and address things with medication and exposure therapy mate. Try this. Live life assuming God is real, Christ died for you, and because that God so loved the world, then the world itself must exist. Your common sense says "You have one hand in front of you. Then a world exists." I know this sounds like a call to materialism, but solipsism is its opposite. God knows your frame, you exist but are finite and have these limitations of perspective and senses. You can absolutely know independent truth (God) without knowing all of the details or an unassailable proof: that's faith. This is truth is independent of how you feel and independent of your anxiety. Christ gave us evidences but placed the ball in our court to believe. If you know everything, you're now God. But you don't know everything. Please keep having faith in Christ. You'll forget these thoughts eventually or cope with them. God is holding you together. Just hold onto Him! :3 "He (God the Son) is before all things, and in him all things hold together." - Colossians 1:17 You'll be fine. ============================= One last thing: there are people who genuinely believe this, and they just live life. Do not believe these lies, and how much more can you live life for Christ? Exercise, go to therapy, get a psychiatrist, enjoy life: the chemical and psychological feeling of derealization will pass. This is just your OCD.
Gracias hermano. Acabo de ver todo el video. Me hizo llorar, y darme cuenta que en realidad lo que quiero solucionar es mi vida y no los problemas mentales.
Hey Mark, i would like to say thank you for your channel. I am from Poland, today i''ve found your channnel and you are just saying about me, and my life.
Hey mark! Is this kind of OCD Similar or related to arguing about solving situational problems like when you are trying to figure out what God is speaking to you? Like when you keep arguing the “what ifs” in trying to land? I find myself falling into “what ifs” regarding is God really saying this or can i listen to these peoples advice? I hope this makes sense!
I could comment on every sentence you made here. I will just say this… Thank you Mark and Melissa for this ministry the two of you have deep dived into. 🙏🏼❤️. At the time you guys were starting on your journey, God had been speaking to me about very similar things. God even placed it on my heart to write a book about his love. I never did it though because of the one thing I never thought of… OCD. I just purchased your book and will be going through it line by line!
My latest obsession. Universalism vs. Compatalism. vs. Annihilism. Ugggh...Im tired. Im compulsively watching RUclips videos supporting each viewpoint. Its going on well 6 to 12 hours of this. This is what this disorder does. It has made me hate religion and god in the past. The torment. The fear of hell. The fear of not having the right answer. Dont worry....something else will take its place in several weeks.
I have struggled with this since i was a child. I would stay up at night terrified i was going to hell repenting washing my hands intrusive awful thought s. Always reading and seeking. I struggle with addiction PTSD and ADHD. I was raped when i was a virgin and have a beautiful little girl but after she was born i fell into addiction and was in and out of psych hospital s. I went to Christian school s and alot of my college friends are in the ministry. I have felt mental torment on and off my whole life. I had an encounter with what i believe was God and i was radically set free. I tried really hard to he good since I was little and after my daughter was born fell into things and things happening that I never could have imagined. I obsess all the time. I'm weary. I watch videos about losing your salvation. I haven't felt like worshipping and have fears that this means i hate God or He hates me. Is any of this common? I feel like i do not know what it's like to have a normal day. I'm not sure what to do. Everyone says obedience brings peace but when i was obsessively good as a little girl i was still very tormented and after my daughter i have struggled many years. I am trying to get on track again and that alone is almost an obsession. I just want to he free. My own family has left me out and does of everything. Its debilitating esp the last five months. I pray constantly and I am just weary of it. Even reading or listening to sermons about it. I don't understand why my battles are so much harder and my life has gone so differently than all if my friends i grew up in church with. I pray and even ask God to plead help me love Him. When i was obsessively "obedient" still much torment. I have MANY blessings in my life. Sometimes when I hear about the Lord lately I feel like i cringe physically bc maybe im so exasperated from just trying to connect and be free. I confess my sins always and even to others. I would love some prayer s. I used to write about my faith and even was published in Christian magazine. Lots of trauma also.
Feeling really hopeless. The fear of not existing is my core fear. The idea of eternity. I fight so much with religious anxiety that it makes me be numb or paralyzed to anything. What’s the right way to believe. How do I really become saved. What IF I go to hell … but more than anything the fear of ceasing to exist and have no consciousness paralyzes me and makes me stop living now. It’s so scary. I want to get help but feel like how can I truly get help with a theme that no one knows the truth about life after death … everything I speculation. I try to cope with ignoring the thoughts but fear the thoughts will always be there
Here's some quick tip that helped me. 1. I was always scared of dying. But going through this death was really comforting. I knew that no matter how bad things got, that I will not have to live like this forever. 2. Start thinking and being more stupid. Pretend to be simple minded. Laugh at silly things, pretend you can't overthink things because you're dumb. 3. Be more animalistic get in touch with your instints. This might sound weird but playing video games and watching porn throw sticks about ect. actually helped me feel real again. I wouldn't recommend this to most people obviously. 4. Socialise as much as possible. I know you don't want to. Talk to people and try make them happy. I could go on but don't want to write an essay. Tell me what you think.
I think about it this way: There are many contradictory belief systems under the same solipsistic umbrella. - 1. Soft solipsism: You don't know if you can trust this reality or the nature of yourself. - 2. Religious grandiosity: You don't know if you're not a god or something divine. They're not really sticky in terms of truth value since they don't have an positive additive function for your life (It's like saying if you're Buddha's toenail in this life and you just don't know it. Cool, how does that change your conduct, again?). That's why non-OCD sufferers can watch the Matrix and Inception without much worry, since they know it's fiction. "Woah, that was weird. Wanna play League of Legends?" Why do they know it's fiction instead of anything else? Because our beliefs OUGHT to be dependent on what we see around us, and taking in the evidence that's there. Beliefs that are insisted without reason are what Satan really wants us to believe. All of those things (solipsism, evil god, living in a dream, computer simulation, brain in a vat) are mutually exclusive and are all equally unconvincing. They only have this thread of "not knowing FOR SURE". It's more than just solipsism. There's so many things in life we aren't sure about: our finances, our relationships, our health, our future. First worry about your salvation. Accept Christ is LORD and do NOTHING with these thoughts. Starve them. Say "No. You're just an intrusive thought." It'll help give you space when you label a lie as one, instead of trying to legitimize its power. [2 Timothy 1:7-8] For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God. We are people that naturally want to worship or think of things. Hence, we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. There are a lot of common sense answers and in depth arguments for why you're not a figment of my dream and why I'm not a digital rendering of your brain in a vat. Yet my answer is Christ's character: I have this 100% faith that God will love me, even when I don't feel God or if it doesn't feel real (even though it is) or when I wander. That needs to be you. It's because Christ said He is Truth. The Bible described Him as Logos: Word, Reason. That's why any of these 'sticky' thoughts are so silly because they ARE antithetical to God and your faith. God is using these tribulations for you to get better and remind you of your finite human nature. Don't lose track! Satan is roaming around, it you're looking straight in his mouth. Draw close to God and He'll draw close to you. "...of you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." Colossians 1:23 Fear God, who can send a person to Hell. If you believe in Christ, these thoughts are still scary, but you're not going to Hell. But first, believe in Christ! ============================= And we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. If we knew all the answers, is that faith? No! That would be omniscience, and OCD's dream and a right for God and God alone. [Romans 8:24-26] 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. ============================= Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?". [Matthew 14:28-33] 28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.” 29 “Come,” he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?” 32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?". ============================= Even in our failures that we doubt God's character, God still will hold onto us in our puny less than a mustard seed of faith. God will guide you out of this! God gets understandably frustrated when finite creation fails to accept their finitude: we can't know the answers and that's why our faith is completely predicated in Christ. That God shows His wrath when people don't fear Him, because people think their philosophical empty vases are sufficient to replace the Word of God. To keep every thought captive to Christ means to let the sticky thoughts be defeated by God's truth, not believing in them, disassociating instead of ruminating from them, and accepting you're a finite human that is under God's grace through Christ. Pray to God, who exists beyond your puny human brain: "Lord, help me with my unbelief!" [Mark 9:23-25] 23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” 24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!” 25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!” ============================= You are NOT these Satanic lies that chime in. The arguments aren't convincing, they're obsessive. It's an annoying song that insists to be remembered. There will be times in life you'll hum this terrible song, but then you'll forget the moment you stub your toe and something horrific. If you feel emotionally blunted, see a therapist, psychiatrist, and address things with medication and exposure therapy mate. Try this. Live life assuming God is real, Christ died for you, and because that God so loved the world, then the world itself must exist. Your common sense says "You have one hand in front of you. Then a world exists." I know this sounds like a call to materialism, but solipsism is its opposite. God knows your frame, you exist but are finite and have these limitations of perspective and senses. You can absolutely know independent truth (God) without knowing all of the details or an unassailable proof: that's faith. This is truth is independent of how you feel and independent of your anxiety. Christ gave us evidences but placed the ball in our court to believe. If you know everything, you're now God. But you don't know everything. Please keep having faith in Christ. You'll forget these thoughts eventually or cope with them. God is holding you together. Just hold onto Him! :3 "He (God the Son) is before all things, and in him all things hold together." - Colossians 1:17 You'll be fine. ============================= One last thing: there are people who genuinely believe this, and they just live life. Do not believe these lies, and how much more can you live life for Christ? Exercise, go to therapy, get a psychiatrist, enjoy life: the chemical and psychological feeling of derealization will pass. This is just your OCD.
Hola hermano. Yo soy una joven cristiana. Recientemente encontré tu canal. Hace un año me diagnosticaron TOC justo antes de iniciar un ministerio de alabanza. Donde había pensamientos de "Dios no existe", "eres lesbiana", "eres una p*ta", "mejor acaba con tu vida". Estuve 1 año entero así, día y noche con pensamientos de todo tipo;sobre todo cuestionamientos sobre la existencia de Dios. Ahora, siento que fué algo que Dios permitió para fortalecer mi carácter. Los pensamientos que tenía ya los percibo como parte de mi TOC, a veces vuelven y ya los dejo pasar, pero ahora me queda la ansiedad (siento dolor de estómago y miedo, sudo de las manos pero sin los pensamientos) La verdad que he orado a Dios por sanidad mental, para poder servirle en libertad. ¿Me podrías dar alguna sugerencia? ¿Luego de dejar pasar los pensamientos y no tener rumiaciones es normal sentir ese miedo o pánico? (¿así es el proceso?) Gracias hermano. DIOS TE BENDIGA y muchas gracias por tu canal. No dejes de subir videos.
Christianity itself leads to tons of uncertainties. Who exactly is saved. Who isnt. Literal vs figurative reading of bible verses. Why so many religions on Earth? Is my Jewish friend saved? If not, why. So so many things.
The problem with Bible based Christianity is that it DOES not answer all questions and actually creates more issues and problems. If your so called salvation from some so called hell is based on determining whether some Jesus man did this and people argue over it, then it's the problem. As an atheist, I find that this so called God is the author of confusion if it exists. That's this so called God's problem then. The teaching of some place called hell ALONE is problematic morally and otherwise.
I have major problems with this channel. Major problems. You do know Muslims, atheists, Jews and others have OCD and it latches onto their OCD existential worries. If OCD leads me to atheism, then if God exists that is God's problem, not mine anymore. Not mine. Not mine. Faith itself can be the problem. I'm repeating again. Faith itself can be the problem.
Hey you’re right. It is God’s problem. Not yours. He doesn’t expect you to solve it, he wants you to give it to him. Faith isn’t relying on you but trusting in God. And he helps you trust him. There is a verse in mark 9:24. I believe help my unbelief. All you need is the faith the size of a mustard seed to move mountains and even in that Jesus help you have faith.
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This is extremely timely. This evening I felt God drawing me to spend time with Him so I spent some time in prayer and the Word of God. When I came across a scripture that referenced heaven I felt a fear come over me that I’m not going to heaven. This is the third time this has happened in a weeks time so it really scared me. I really do believe I’m a Christian and going to heaven but Satan was throwing fiery darts at me. I know I suffer with OCD but I don’t always recognize it as OCD, so when I saw this video on my feed it was definitely from God! Also, the way you pointed out that we need to have child-like faith was very helpful. I am so intellectual but I need to learn to live by child-like faith.
Been dealing with this theme for about 9 months now. Working on experiencing my thoughts but not interacting with them, and observing the fear but not fighting it. I start Prozac tomorrow, which will hopefully be an aid as I seek to change my thought patterns. Not to mention I try to be in consistent prayer, reminding myself of who God is. I am holding on to hope.
Why take meds? God is all powerful
@@onward8231 I believe we suffer due to our fallen nature and that God in His mercy has given us medication to help heal our ailments while we are in this flesh. And obsessive compulsive disorder is no less an ailment than anything physical, and you would not deny a person with a physical illness medication.
I have listened to this twice because its something I struggle with. Growing up in a ministry and having personal issues - I’ve always gone back and forth with deep dive thinking that leaves me overwhelmed and I just go numb.
Ive definitely struggle to receive Gods love. Ive only obeyed him in the past because ive been scared that he will send me to hell. I have a hard time seeing him as a loving father. Its unfortunate but i dont know a loving God
Thank God for your ministry, it is one of the few things keeping me sane. God bless you and your family!🙏
God is all knowing we are not.
Mark, so thankful I found your page I’m hoping you can help me. I’ve been suffering from existential OCD for 8 months now. It’s been the hardest thing I have ever had to go through. I’m 28 I have 2 young kids and I’m trying so hard to recover. My existential thoughts were triggered from a tiktok on the simulation theory, I then had a panic attack started looking around at everything like what’s real? From there I started compulsively googling other theories and forums of people going through the same theme. Then I came across the solipsism theory and this has been by far the stickiest to get over. Even on better days I will constantly have thoughts like “what’s even real” or just how absurd existence is in general. It’s like Iv become hyperaware of it all. I’ve been raised a Christian since I was little and I’ve always believed in God, but I only just started actually reading the bible and learning the word of god as I’ve been going through this. But I’m still struggling so much and I get very hopeless. I just want to live life again without questioning every single thing including the existence of the people I love the most. Please help
Yes, I’m in the same boat now. I’m currently thinking about therapy.
"Please help!" seems to be the way we feel with OCD when it feels insurmountable. I have had this for 32 years now and I am so happy to see a young person dealing with this because from my perspective. Not because you are in distress but because you have more time to make adjustments in your life before it all becomes more challenging. There is wisdom in seeking out experts. I am not an expert on anything but in this area Mark really seems to be an expert.
I have no advice but to keep listening. He hits the nail on the head so much it is hard not to recognize that OCD drives a truck through the door doubting opens.
Rather than trying to get answers contra your fears maybe sit with the anxiety. I think there is something to be said about feeling discomfort and trying to avoid it too much.
I wish you nothing but luck because you are young and you can develop skills to deal with doubt that will help you.
hey courtney, you literally just described me word for word except that i am 20. are you feeling better and do you have any advice?
I think about it this way: There are many contradictory belief systems under the same solipsistic umbrella.
- 1. Soft solipsism: You don't know if you can trust this reality or the nature of yourself.
- 2. Religious grandiosity: You don't know if you're not a god or something divine.
They're not really sticky in terms of truth value since they don't have an positive additive function for your life (It's like saying if you're Buddha's toenail in this life and you just don't know it. Cool, how does that change your conduct, again?). That's why non-OCD sufferers can watch the Matrix and Inception without much worry, since they know it's fiction. "Woah, that was weird. Wanna play League of Legends?" Why do they know it's fiction instead of anything else? Because our beliefs OUGHT to be dependent on what we see around us, and taking in the evidence that's there. Beliefs that are insisted without reason are what Satan really wants us to believe. All of those things (solipsism, evil god, living in a dream, computer simulation, brain in a vat) are mutually exclusive and are all equally unconvincing. They only have this thread of "not knowing FOR SURE". It's more than just solipsism. There's so many things in life we aren't sure about: our finances, our relationships, our health, our future.
First worry about your salvation. Accept Christ is LORD and do NOTHING with these thoughts. Starve them. Say "No. You're just an intrusive thought." It'll help give you space when you label a lie as one, instead of trying to legitimize its power.
[2 Timothy 1:7-8]
For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God.
We are people that naturally want to worship or think of things. Hence, we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers.
There are a lot of common sense answers and in depth arguments for why you're not a figment of my dream and why I'm not a digital rendering of your brain in a vat. Yet my answer is Christ's character: I have this 100% faith that God will love me, even when I don't feel God or if it doesn't feel real (even though it is) or when I wander.
That needs to be you. It's because Christ said He is Truth. The Bible described Him as Logos: Word, Reason. That's why any of these 'sticky' thoughts are so silly because they ARE antithetical to God and your faith. God is using these tribulations for you to get better and remind you of your finite human nature. Don't lose track! Satan is roaming around, it you're looking straight in his mouth. Draw close to God and He'll draw close to you.
"...of you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." Colossians 1:23
Fear God, who can send a person to Hell. If you believe in Christ, these thoughts are still scary, but you're not going to Hell. But first, believe in Christ!
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And we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. If we knew all the answers, is that faith? No! That would be omniscience, and OCD's dream and a right for God and God alone.
[Romans 8:24-26]
24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
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Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?".
[Matthew 14:28-33]
28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
29 “Come,” he said.
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”
31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?".
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Even in our failures that we doubt God's character, God still will hold onto us in our puny less than a mustard seed of faith. God will guide you out of this!
God gets understandably frustrated when finite creation fails to accept their finitude: we can't know the answers and that's why our faith is completely predicated in Christ.
That God shows His wrath when people don't fear Him, because people think their philosophical empty vases are sufficient to replace the Word of God. To keep every thought captive to Christ means to let the sticky thoughts be defeated by God's truth, not believing in them, disassociating instead of ruminating from them, and accepting you're a finite human that is under God's grace through Christ. Pray to God, who exists beyond your puny human brain: "Lord, help me with my unbelief!"
[Mark 9:23-25]
23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!”
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You are NOT these Satanic lies that chime in. The arguments aren't convincing, they're obsessive. It's an annoying song that insists to be remembered. There will be times in life you'll hum this terrible song, but then you'll forget the moment you stub your toe and something horrific. If you feel emotionally blunted, see a therapist, psychiatrist, and address things with medication and exposure therapy mate.
Try this. Live life assuming God is real, Christ died for you, and because that God so loved the world, then the world itself must exist.
Your common sense says "You have one hand in front of you. Then a world exists." I know this sounds like a call to materialism, but solipsism is its opposite.
God knows your frame, you exist but are finite and have these limitations of perspective and senses.
You can absolutely know independent truth (God) without knowing all of the details or an unassailable proof: that's faith. This is truth is independent of how you feel and independent of your anxiety. Christ gave us evidences but placed the ball in our court to believe. If you know everything, you're now God. But you don't know everything. Please keep having faith in Christ. You'll forget these thoughts eventually or cope with them. God is holding you together. Just hold onto Him! :3
"He (God the Son) is before all things, and in him all things hold together." - Colossians 1:17
You'll be fine.
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One last thing: there are people who genuinely believe this, and they just live life.
Do not believe these lies, and how much more can you live life for Christ?
Exercise, go to therapy, get a psychiatrist, enjoy life: the chemical and psychological feeling of derealization will pass. This is just your OCD.
Gracias hermano. Acabo de ver todo el video.
Me hizo llorar, y darme cuenta que en realidad lo que quiero solucionar es mi vida y no los problemas mentales.
Hey Mark, i would like to say thank you for your channel. I am from Poland, today i''ve found your channnel and you are just saying about me, and my life.
I literally just was thinking to comment for you to talk about this thankyouu
So, yep this was a real big blessing. I have a tendency to think on the why questions.
10:53 as someone who deep dive into stuff and often spin, it felt like it was meant for me
Hey mark! Is this kind of OCD Similar or related to arguing about solving situational problems like when you are trying to figure out what God is speaking to you? Like when you keep arguing the “what ifs” in trying to land? I find myself falling into “what ifs” regarding is God really saying this or can i listen to these peoples advice? I hope this makes sense!
Im going through alot of doubt right now and again and again. My anti-depressants arent helping my mental health either.
It looks like u’re using an HDR-capable camera. Contrast and quality is amazing.
I could comment on every sentence you made here. I will just say this… Thank you Mark and Melissa for this ministry the two of you have deep dived into. 🙏🏼❤️. At the time you guys were starting on your journey, God had been speaking to me about very similar things. God even placed it on my heart to write a book about his love. I never did it though because of the one thing I never thought of… OCD. I just purchased your book and will be going through it line by line!
My latest obsession. Universalism vs. Compatalism. vs. Annihilism. Ugggh...Im tired. Im compulsively watching RUclips videos supporting each viewpoint. Its going on well 6 to 12 hours of this. This is what this disorder does. It has made me hate religion and god in the past. The torment. The fear of hell. The fear of not having the right answer. Dont worry....something else will take its place in several weeks.
My existential questions are very often "why"s about life.
I have struggled with this since i was a child. I would stay up at night terrified i was going to hell repenting washing my hands intrusive awful thought s. Always reading and seeking. I struggle with addiction PTSD and ADHD. I was raped when i was a virgin and have a beautiful little girl but after she was born i fell into addiction and was in and out of psych hospital s. I went to Christian school s and alot of my college friends are in the ministry. I have felt mental torment on and off my whole life. I had an encounter with what i believe was God and i was radically set free. I tried really hard to he good since I was little and after my daughter was born fell into things and things happening that I never could have imagined. I obsess all the time. I'm weary. I watch videos about losing your salvation. I haven't felt like worshipping and have fears that this means i hate God or He hates me. Is any of this common? I feel like i do not know what it's like to have a normal day. I'm not sure what to do. Everyone says obedience brings peace but when i was obsessively good as a little girl i was still very tormented and after my daughter i have struggled many years. I am trying to get on track again and that alone is almost an obsession. I just want to he free. My own family has left me out and does of everything. Its debilitating esp the last five months. I pray constantly and I am just weary of it. Even reading or listening to sermons about it. I don't understand why my battles are so much harder and my life has gone so differently than all if my friends i grew up in church with. I pray and even ask God to plead help me love Him. When i was obsessively "obedient" still much torment. I have MANY blessings in my life. Sometimes when I hear about the Lord lately I feel like i cringe physically bc maybe im so exasperated from just trying to connect and be free. I confess my sins always and even to others. I would love some prayer s. I used to write about my faith and even was published in Christian magazine. Lots of trauma also.
Can you talk about healing from depression
Yes plz
This was amazing.
Feeling really hopeless. The fear of not existing is my core fear. The idea of eternity. I fight so much with religious anxiety that it makes me be numb or paralyzed to anything. What’s the right way to believe. How do I really become saved. What IF I go to hell … but more than anything the fear of ceasing to exist and have no consciousness paralyzes me and makes me stop living now. It’s so scary. I want to get help but feel like how can I truly get help with a theme that no one knows the truth about life after death … everything I speculation. I try to cope with ignoring the thoughts but fear the thoughts will always be there
Here's some quick tip that helped me.
1. I was always scared of dying. But going through this death was really comforting.
I knew that no matter how bad things got, that I will not have to live like this forever.
2. Start thinking and being more stupid. Pretend to be simple minded. Laugh at silly things, pretend you can't overthink things because you're dumb.
3. Be more animalistic get in touch with your instints. This might sound weird but playing video games and watching porn throw sticks about ect. actually helped me feel real again. I wouldn't recommend this to most people obviously.
4. Socialise as much as possible. I know you don't want to. Talk to people and try make them happy. I could go on but don't want to write an essay. Tell me what you think.
I think about it this way: There are many contradictory belief systems under the same solipsistic umbrella.
- 1. Soft solipsism: You don't know if you can trust this reality or the nature of yourself.
- 2. Religious grandiosity: You don't know if you're not a god or something divine.
They're not really sticky in terms of truth value since they don't have an positive additive function for your life (It's like saying if you're Buddha's toenail in this life and you just don't know it. Cool, how does that change your conduct, again?). That's why non-OCD sufferers can watch the Matrix and Inception without much worry, since they know it's fiction. "Woah, that was weird. Wanna play League of Legends?" Why do they know it's fiction instead of anything else? Because our beliefs OUGHT to be dependent on what we see around us, and taking in the evidence that's there. Beliefs that are insisted without reason are what Satan really wants us to believe. All of those things (solipsism, evil god, living in a dream, computer simulation, brain in a vat) are mutually exclusive and are all equally unconvincing. They only have this thread of "not knowing FOR SURE". It's more than just solipsism. There's so many things in life we aren't sure about: our finances, our relationships, our health, our future.
First worry about your salvation. Accept Christ is LORD and do NOTHING with these thoughts. Starve them. Say "No. You're just an intrusive thought." It'll help give you space when you label a lie as one, instead of trying to legitimize its power.
[2 Timothy 1:7-8]
For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God.
We are people that naturally want to worship or think of things. Hence, we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers.
There are a lot of common sense answers and in depth arguments for why you're not a figment of my dream and why I'm not a digital rendering of your brain in a vat. Yet my answer is Christ's character: I have this 100% faith that God will love me, even when I don't feel God or if it doesn't feel real (even though it is) or when I wander.
That needs to be you. It's because Christ said He is Truth. The Bible described Him as Logos: Word, Reason. That's why any of these 'sticky' thoughts are so silly because they ARE antithetical to God and your faith. God is using these tribulations for you to get better and remind you of your finite human nature. Don't lose track! Satan is roaming around, it you're looking straight in his mouth. Draw close to God and He'll draw close to you.
"...of you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." Colossians 1:23
Fear God, who can send a person to Hell. If you believe in Christ, these thoughts are still scary, but you're not going to Hell. But first, believe in Christ!
=============================
And we must realize that faith is KNOWING God is trustworthy despite of us NOT KNOWING all the answers. If we knew all the answers, is that faith? No! That would be omniscience, and OCD's dream and a right for God and God alone.
[Romans 8:24-26]
24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
=============================
Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?".
[Matthew 14:28-33]
28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
29 “Come,” he said.
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”
31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Peter had the faith to come out the boat, but when he looked at the clouds, he felt that Jesus' intervention wasn't able to help. But happily enough, Jesus (who was in control) went to Peter (who was not) as lovingly reprimanded him "Why do you have little faith?".
=============================
Even in our failures that we doubt God's character, God still will hold onto us in our puny less than a mustard seed of faith. God will guide you out of this!
God gets understandably frustrated when finite creation fails to accept their finitude: we can't know the answers and that's why our faith is completely predicated in Christ.
That God shows His wrath when people don't fear Him, because people think their philosophical empty vases are sufficient to replace the Word of God. To keep every thought captive to Christ means to let the sticky thoughts be defeated by God's truth, not believing in them, disassociating instead of ruminating from them, and accepting you're a finite human that is under God's grace through Christ. Pray to God, who exists beyond your puny human brain: "Lord, help me with my unbelief!"
[Mark 9:23-25]
23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!”
=============================
You are NOT these Satanic lies that chime in. The arguments aren't convincing, they're obsessive. It's an annoying song that insists to be remembered. There will be times in life you'll hum this terrible song, but then you'll forget the moment you stub your toe and something horrific. If you feel emotionally blunted, see a therapist, psychiatrist, and address things with medication and exposure therapy mate.
Try this. Live life assuming God is real, Christ died for you, and because that God so loved the world, then the world itself must exist.
Your common sense says "You have one hand in front of you. Then a world exists." I know this sounds like a call to materialism, but solipsism is its opposite.
God knows your frame, you exist but are finite and have these limitations of perspective and senses.
You can absolutely know independent truth (God) without knowing all of the details or an unassailable proof: that's faith. This is truth is independent of how you feel and independent of your anxiety. Christ gave us evidences but placed the ball in our court to believe. If you know everything, you're now God. But you don't know everything. Please keep having faith in Christ. You'll forget these thoughts eventually or cope with them. God is holding you together. Just hold onto Him! :3
"He (God the Son) is before all things, and in him all things hold together." - Colossians 1:17
You'll be fine.
=============================
One last thing: there are people who genuinely believe this, and they just live life.
Do not believe these lies, and how much more can you live life for Christ?
Exercise, go to therapy, get a psychiatrist, enjoy life: the chemical and psychological feeling of derealization will pass. This is just your OCD.
Really helpful thank you
Wow, you described my past year 😅
Hola hermano. Yo soy una joven cristiana. Recientemente encontré tu canal. Hace un año me diagnosticaron TOC justo antes de iniciar un ministerio de alabanza.
Donde había pensamientos de "Dios no existe", "eres lesbiana", "eres una p*ta", "mejor acaba con tu vida".
Estuve 1 año entero así, día y noche con pensamientos de todo tipo;sobre todo cuestionamientos sobre la existencia de Dios.
Ahora, siento que fué algo que Dios permitió para fortalecer mi carácter.
Los pensamientos que tenía ya los percibo como parte de mi TOC, a veces vuelven y ya los dejo pasar, pero ahora me queda la ansiedad (siento dolor de estómago y miedo, sudo de las manos pero sin los pensamientos)
La verdad que he orado a Dios por sanidad mental, para poder servirle en libertad.
¿Me podrías dar alguna sugerencia?
¿Luego de dejar pasar los pensamientos y no tener rumiaciones es normal sentir ese miedo o pánico? (¿así es el proceso?)
Gracias hermano. DIOS TE BENDIGA y muchas gracias por tu canal. No dejes de subir videos.
Hola, me relaciono mucho con lo que dices, podría sugerirte algo pero no me deja subir un link aquí...
@@CalebGonzCordgracias hermano Caleb. Dios te bendiga
¿También te pasó lo mismo que a mi?
maybe my OCD lead me to become an atheist, because it was easier than obsessing over the idea of a god.
Christianity itself leads to tons of uncertainties. Who exactly is saved. Who isnt. Literal vs figurative reading of bible verses. Why so many religions on Earth? Is my Jewish friend saved? If not, why. So so many things.
Going through both of those comments right now so hard which is comforting thank you for sharing that you were going through it too
The problem with Bible based Christianity is that it DOES not answer all questions and actually creates more issues and problems. If your so called salvation from some so called hell is based on determining whether some Jesus man did this and people argue over it, then it's the problem. As an atheist, I find that this so called God is the author of confusion if it exists. That's this so called God's problem then. The teaching of some place called hell ALONE is problematic morally and otherwise.
I have major problems with this channel. Major problems. You do know Muslims, atheists, Jews and others have OCD and it latches onto their OCD existential worries. If OCD leads me to atheism, then if God exists that is God's problem, not mine anymore. Not mine. Not mine. Faith itself can be the problem. I'm repeating again. Faith itself can be the problem.
Hey you’re right. It is God’s problem. Not yours. He doesn’t expect you to solve it, he wants you to give it to him. Faith isn’t relying on you but trusting in God. And he helps you trust him. There is a verse in mark 9:24. I believe help my unbelief. All you need is the faith the size of a mustard seed to move mountains and even in that Jesus help you have faith.