First OCG Metagame Report after Alliance Insight
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I hear Josh checks under his bed for Cyberse monsters at night
Cyberse monsters check under their beds for Josh at night
There needs to be a cyberse-focused Duston.
Hahaha mathmec circle
Fellow Maliss players, if Josh wins a YCS sell the deck immediately since it won't survive the next banlist.
Damn i can't believe Josh made konami ban Doormouse after winning the worlds. - Me from the future.
This will unironically happen :(
Most likely he would complain about any deck but ryzeal zzz
This is intentional so that the next banlist will nerf Ryzeal and Maliss again.
Paving the way for Blue Eyes to be the meta of the next World.
@@Alex-gw6ie I'm getting tired of people whining about Maliss while turning a blind eye to the abomination that has become Ryzeal with Mitsurugi/Fiendsmith
@tomkulczewski Joshua is such a hypocrite
Remember that we thought ryzeal was an unbeatable oppressive deck because it was over 40% then an OCG player corrected it by saying it was only slightly better therefore overrepresented. Let's not become too hasty and pessimistic because Maliss is still beatable from what we know.
Nobody who took a look at the actual cards thought that lol
@@true7563 the deck was very strong, but the format has basically bent over backwards to try to counter it. Fs ryzeal is still the best deck, there's just niches other decks have to keep it from being tier 0.
It really reminds me of kashtira in its prime but without shifter gatekeeping other decks.
@@true7563 You would see people in the comments call the deck tier 0 simply because they were following the bandwagon or letting SE format cause them to panic, and they knew what the cards did. Simplestons.
I think White Forest is gonna become a deck that IS really powerful, but requires a competent and dedicated pilot to succeed with competitively. Getting hand trapped is something you have to have good deck knowledge of to recover from properly in WF, so it’s moderately skill intensive.
The ceiling is there, you just have to know how to reach it in real world game states.
So its the new Branded ?
@@ez8195pretty much
Been playing it with new support and it's quite interesting with the thought process. Though not sure how indepth it goes since I've barely dipped my toes into the deck.
I love that Maliss is overtaking Ryzeal…I don’t care for Ryzeal just like I didn’t care for Spright but instead favored Tear.
jesus christ the BGM is ascending a tragedy wtf
I just noticed after you mentioned it and am laughing way too hard about it now
Fitting BGM considering he is reading about cyberse tbh
It's psycho mantis' theme from metal gear solid
This is still better than Snake Eye, Yubel Format. This is also the first week, keep your shorts on guys.
Damning by faint praise; even if that were true that's not saying a whole lot.
Eh.. I really disliked playing snake eyes but I actually enjoyed Maliss
Snake eyes Yubel format wasn’t too bad if you had preparation in comparison to Ryzeal Maliss
Maliss does what yubel and SE does but plays shitfer
I personally love Maliss a lot: the art, the lore, the infinite way to play it, and the fact that it's not a co-pilot deck. So in my opinion (with bias also for me), in TCG Ryzeal is more problematic than Maliss, especially for the fact that we don't have Apo, so the combos are a lot fragile under Nibiru, and in TCG we have Fiendsmith and Bystial at almost full power, and they make Ryzeal an almost flawless deck.
In conclusion, I think that both Maliss and Ryzeal need to be hit in banlist, but with indirect hit that change the way the deck are played, without over hitting them or cutting the consistency, and then they can becomes deck at the same level to the other in the meta
fragile under nibiru hahahaha
This hate that Josh has towards Maliss is getting a bit unsufferable ngl, im still waiting for him to show someone breaking a FULL Ryzeal board
bro full Ryzeal board is Detonator which is so easy to out. ns anything Ty-phon. done. no omni, no towers. just 3k and 3 pops. Bookf of Moon - done.
@@RickertUrgen Cross? Caesar/Dies Irae? Lacrima/Requiem set up? Bro is unironically omitting information in order to make their slop deck seems fair, also Typhon ends your turn, good luck passing on that against a Normal ICE/Special Ext sending Aggregator or Fiendsmith send effect
@@gabrielgois8724 and don't forget the Mitsurugi half of the deck lmao
It's due to mathmech circular 😂
@@gabrielgois8724You’re specifically talking about fiendsmith Ryzeal which has a greater weakness to handtraps and everything you set up Ryzeal related is underpowered compared to pure.
white forest becomes a tiered deck for the first time ever and we don't even get a decklist for it 😭
shoutouts to the one Argostars top in the OCG
Pretty sure it's Snake eyes white forest which is effectively dead here in the TCG cuz you know... Azamina Elzette could search OSS for example
@@razer72260It's not you can read the list there's only one snake-eyes variant. Others are WF Azamina or WF Azamina Fiendsmiths
White forest has been tiered since SUDA came out. It's been on the lower end, but it's been around. It's gonna stay where it's at unless the power celing comes down in April after the banlist. Most of the lists either include Snake-eyes, Fiendsmith, or both. It's VERY hard to find topping lists that don't include either. You are just slogging through those links looking for the decks.
It’s because of the new field spell . It makes it a one card combo
Ive been saying this since the beginning.
Ryzeal and Maliss format reminds me alot of Sprights and Tearlaments.
Sprights Xyz deck.. and Maliss a waifu deck.
Spright was way better at first, then it got hit in OCG. Tearlament received new Support with Ishizu and that propelled them to the top.
for TCG Ryzeal is equal or better than Maliss now. Both decks received support. But eventually Maliss will come out ahead and will have the most longevity like Tearlaments.
Ishizu Tearlament was Deck vomit; if Maliss becomes that, it becomes everything Revolver Schmidt accuses it of.
@autobotstarscream765 Wont be as toxic as tearlaments though
2 hare 1 chessy imo. Ive been playing that, 2 hare comes up a lot. I like it.
Maliss makes me almost want to play paper Yugioh again, almost.
Josh’s reaction to Cyberse is my reaction to spell piles like Runick and Strikers lol
If Maliss gets hit because Josh is openly hating on it all the time im taking back my 36 month twitch subscription back!
facts bro hes such a hater its honestly lame af, live josh but f that
That's how he killed mathmech the deck wasn't doing shit
If you guys actually take the memes serious that Josh has an effect on banlist decisions, get a grip
You might need to touch grass. Cyberse will always be corny af. Literally so many people hate them.
Honestly I give him a bit of respect for admitting his personal bias before complaining about the deck. But it’s pretty frustrating hearing the yugitubers complain solely on maliss and yet are okay with the splashable fiendsmith engine in every deck. Played 5 fs ryzeals in a row, I would love to play a maliss player from time to time XD
Tbf with white forest, its one of those decks that takes a lot of testing to get an actual list down, there's so many options and moving parts, so maybe it'll do a little better in the future.
this is great tbh. let maliss and ryzeal duke it out for the next 12 months and take all the banlist hits ^^
I really appreciate when a really good player admits their own biases. It's refreshing. And it's more than okay to not like a deck or archetype. I haven't played against malliss yet. My locals are mostly fiendsmith kashtira or pure ryzeal and a little tenpai. Thanks for the honesty Josh. I'm willing to bet I will agree with you when I encounter malliss, if dark ruler raigeki doesn't work I don't like your board lol.
Dark Ruler Raigeki wouldn't beat a competent maliss player since they set up too many points of interaction in the back row and hand/grave, though to be fair, dark ruler raigeki hasn't beat many meta decks in years. It doesn't even beat ryzeal most of the time. It does beat the A bao / Knightmare Gryphon line though.
@ we're at a point where Dark Ruler and Evenly are just bad cards versus the meta because every meta deck's interaction is too layered for you to play those cards while justifying their opportunity cost. Not to mention that all modern decks, even the ones that are note quite meta, gets to follow-up as a bonus of their setup, so you can't just board break them without OTKing them and hope they have no more gas.
@jacob3223bocaj I know it wouldn't beat malliss, my point is that I kinda have a problem with decks that make boards that are too strong or unbreakable. Like I remember full power snake eyes in master duel could play through 3 breakers at times. I just find that ridiculous. If the go 2nd tools don't work you just need to pray that you go first. That's not new though the arms race of boards vs. Breakers has been going on for years. It's just getting to a point where evenly is mid and that's kinda bonkers imo lol
@David-hw9si i don't really like that tbh. I still play but being forced to jam 15+ hand traps in every deck is kinda limiting for diversity and options. I especially hate the absurd follow up of some decks. It's like if I didn't kill my opponent on turn 2, I'm guaranteed to die turn 3. I accept it but idk not very fun imo
@@David-hw9si I'm happy if people aren't running them, because those types of cards are still rogue deck gatekeepers. They shit on decks that don't have the luxury of omni negates, or interaction and followup from every possible location that Konami allows cards to be placed.
2:10 WF Azamina is a combo deck. While it is true that the support it got from ALIN is great, Maliss and Ryzeal are just more flexible and the deck/extra deck aren't as tight especially since they are mid range decks.
It's good that Josh acknowledged his bias towards maliss, but i think its not quite right saying ryzeal was slightly better than maliss. It was a little more than slightly better. Ryzeal end board was way stronger than maliss while also being able to search the exact card to turn skip maliss and win. Now im not saying maliss wasn't doing anything because it was, and its end board was tough to beat. Theres also things to consider y ryzeal got hit personally while maliss got a slight consistency hit.
Complaining about Maliss but Ryzeal is the deck winning everything.
Almost like people are getting sick of decks like that
Ryzeal is winning everything in the ocg?
relative close in power level is questionable when maliss have auto lose cards if your opponent open like lancea.
Grown men are really out here in the comments complaining that someone doesn’t like a deck, like God forbid Josh has opinions like he’s not a robot.
well his opinions are steeped in hypocrisy of the highest degree
Psycho Mantis music from MGS1. You're SUCH a G.
Thanks for the music name
@@traplover6357 I got you bro
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I can hear Psycho Mantis' ghost in MGS4 going, "CYBERSE IS BACK!!!" before ascending into the upper room.
shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming shifter is coming
White forest line has an insane endboard with harbinger/dragoon/S:P/Azamina + more, just utilizing the blue eyes link. even pure support is crazy in alliance. Deck deff should be higher overall
"Oh, I just wish to live in a Cyberse world, living out everyday of our Cyberse-filled lives, until the next Cyberse support, which will be the best Cyberse-related thing ever. So goeth the march of Cyberse ad infinitum, to make up the Holy Cyberse Universe."
I really wish maliss was tear but banishing instead of milling. just how cool would that have been
Banish both Duelists' Decks, summon an omni-negate, pass, you instantly die to deckout and anything you try to put cards back with gets negated so you can't stop it, it's fair and balanced if they're cute! 😊
@autobotstarscream765 Someone doesn't know the distinction between tear and ishizu. Nor does he understand how tear plays and the difference between GY and banish pile
I too wish 90% of the deck's engine was limited, same for Ryzeal
We are on the exact same wavelength, I'd been waiting forever for the support piece that turns it into necroface turbo
had this idea a long time ago of what if they ever printed a "twilightsworn"-esque spinoff of tearlaments, similar gimmick but it banishes instead of mills, maybe replace fusion summons with some other extra deck cheating mechanic that shuffles the materials back (perhaps it link summons?), necroface is the easy substitute for agido/kelbek, you probably run a small thunder dragon package. But what matters above all else is the card art looks like the existing tearlaments girls but corrupted alter versions, perhaps what happens to them after the kashtira invasion or an alternate timeline where visas gets sent back by veda and doesn't go to the tearlaments world?
10:20 Josh is not looking forward to MD's future with Maliss and Circular at 3 😂
I think alot of the Maliss percentage is OCG players loving to play the Women Deck
If you still like tearlaments even after they ruined the game, then its just a pot calling the kettle black moment with maliss to be fair.
I will say that maliss by itself isnt really an issue and a way to hit maliss heavily can come in just hitting the stupid degenerate generic link boss monsters. Also at least tcg doesnt have to deal with apo
Cause tear mirrors were fun and interactive maliss mirrors are silver bullet filled hellscapes
Mfw Accode Talker gets released
Damn, it looks like the dragon ruler support wasn’t even good enough to make it rogue. Maybe people can figure it out over the next couple of weeks
Right, I thought it’d at least be rogue. No representation period shocks me
This is what happens to a deck with only 1.5 card combos
Some Dragon Ruler cards in the OCG haven't had reprints in a long time, and some have NEVER had reprints. The babies were finally reprinted in the tournament pack that started coming out two weeks ago, and the level 7s aren't getting reprinted until the Art Collection set next month. The old cards are hard to find and unreasonably expensive for OCG cards.
Also, it's week 0. The set dropped on Saturday morning, it's actually possible people didn't have the cards they needed for any events this pulled from. Wait a couple more weeks and you might see more stuff filling in the "other" section of the pie chart.
@@taylorsmith984 This has to be the copiest response i've ever saw to a deck not becoming meta relevant.
The deck is just not good enough bro, you dont have to make up excuses for it.
@@gabrielgois8724 The part about week 0 is definitely not cope. Not saying the deck will be rogue by any stretch, but they have plenty of time to show up a few times on the list of decks that topped.
Tbh, I got all the new support and Monday I’m going to ranked again for testing YCSJ build but, I just built White Forest Azamina just in case, prolly gonna try to master both before April, and see what’s the safest option would be between the two.
why does everyone hate Maliss so much, I just wanna play my sister deck in peace ... I know the play pattern is toxic, but seeing everyone turn a blind eye to the abomination that Ryzeal has become with Mitsurugi and Fiendsmith at full power is tiring
People including Josh himself have a bias. Check the sheer tone difference between Maliss and Ryzeal.
Because competitive yugioh players don’t actually care about balancing unless it makes their own strategy better.
@@mrharvy100mfw someone has personal opinions
I would just like to notify everybody, it doesn't really seem like OCG players know what they are doing right now.
WHERE ARE ALL OF THE @IGNISTER PLAYERS?!?!
That deck has multiple 1-card combos that play through Nibiru and ends on omni-negates..
There is NO WAY the deck is not Tier 1 right now.
The "hits" to Ryzeal are actually completely irrelevant, let alone hard, they barely got hit at all in the last banlist looking at the OCG decklists there. That's because they have 6 ROTAs in OCG (7th Tachyon + 7th Ascension). Back when EXT was at 3 they only played 3 EXT + 3 Tachyon, that's it, no more. Now that EXT is limited they switch to play 1 EXT + 2 Tachyon + 3 Ascension, that's the same 6 copies, the consistency is exactly identical, nothing is lost whatsoever, so the "hit" Ryzeal had was actually zero. The only real hit was Dweller banned
Idk if you played the deck longer than 1 hour but it’s the grind game that got hit. You don’t OTK with Ryzeal really. Having ext at 1 makes it so they only have one rotation (unless you let them get to duo drive and get the field spell)
they are a bit more weak to droll
The most "I don't play ryzeal" but will talk out my ass comment.
While yes the dwellee was the biggest hit i think ext getting limited is pretty hard too, in the consistency department 7th tach sometimes can be a minus since you have to return 1 card to top deck but the grind game is going to be an absolute bitch since if ext got banished you only have plugin to recover it
Source : OCG ryzeal player here AKA me
saying hitting the best ryzeal to 1 did absolutely nothing is wild, especially when the deck now only has 9 main deck monsters, its grind game got a lot worse (like others said before, unlike maliss ryzeal cant really otk that easily, and now you hit their grind game), as well as their going second ability. Also, dude a searcher for the searcher when both have opt is just horribly bricky, as well as tachyon being a -1. They play so many searchers because they barely have any monsters to play with, now droll is even stronger against them since they probably will have nothing else to keep going with (at least the pure version).
o7 to the 1 grass tearlaments shaddoll branded keeping the "tiaraments strongest" alive
In am going to be honest, I like Maliss and the way it plays with the monster coming back if banished. I also like how you can activate the Maliss trap cards the turn they are set by banishing a Maliss monster, I wish other trap cards were similar. I am just not a fan of the other cyberse support and how powerful the end board is. Certain link monsters and cyberse support just need to be banned, leave Maliss alone.
Can’t wait for this to come to MD maIiss look dope and I would like to play pure @ignister as well
Josh one day gonna realize he is the original Cyberse monster
This is literally Snake-Eye/Yubel/Tenpai format but with one less deck in the race. Everyone saying how much better this meta is will be complaining about it once the shiny new toy syndrome wears off; this format is extremely stale and is only going to get worse over the next 6 months (hate to be negative)
Honestly unless you’re into high level tournament play the formats are never that bad, my locals always has interesting decks people just want to complain.
@@hatefulgaming1800 I play both levels, and have done so since 2012, and this is honestly the only format i've ever been so demotivated to play. Everyone glazing this format is just coping imo
Nah, that's not even comparable. I've broken a lot of Ryzeal boards with different variants with one breaker (Droplet, Talents) and engine in different decks. Times in which one breaker and engine was enough to break Snake-Eye or Yubel board: 0.
Cyberse monsters keeping Josh in check.
Josh when there is a metagame: How dare Konami.
Crazy how mitsu ryzeal or fs ryzeal is fine, but maliss isnt. I hope the deck lives longer then snake eyes to make jesse and josh just titled off the face the earth.
Maliss is fine, until they summon a floodgate with legs
Oh, NOW IT'S SCARY. I thought ryzeal format was FUN! joshua🙃
Pro players making a wrong estimate of newly released cards? Impossible.
Aight you know what you gotta do josh, win worlds then ban the cyberse card again
Such an uncharacteristic move from ROTK, releasing a report that only covers 2 days of tournament results. The impact of the new Maliss and Ryzel support might be somewhat inflated here.
They have done it a few times before. I think even a week is too soon tbh.
Maliss Gang 💅
6:36 they need to stop printing cards that set from deck, they keep printing shit like this to get around banning droll, but now you can't ash it either.
Blah blah blah, insert the usual “Josh is Revolver” joke here.
My favorite archtype is Cyberse
i wonder if high octane combo decks are worth playing in ocg. the options they use for nonengine is interesting. its literally just 3 imperm, 3 ash, maybe 1 droll. even if you get maxx c'd, chummy'd and youre able to get to your endboard, it makes sense to me that you could play through whatever they draw, since most things are just hard opt anyway
I just want circular back bro. I miss him so much
Sadly no Dragon Rulers and not a lot of Regenesis Decks 😢
Chat, how do I play Archnemeses Eschatos calling Cyberse?
Any 2 lvl4 monsters do this, then you make Reprodocus in the EMZ and summon Eschatos under it
just make protos call dark, ezpz
Maliss will be hit after the YCSJ, bcoz the deck didn't get hit on previous banlist.
It's useless. I told you...
I can read your every thought. Now...
let me read your mind. No...
perhaps I should say your past.
I dont know hot to feel that every Deck i like and Build get Hated on...
Just don't follow the people who hate on your deck lmao, josh himself agrees his hate towards malice is biased, you don't need to feel bad about it he is being honest, everyone has decks they hate irrationally, I hate tear and branded, even if they are not meta rn, i just hate playing against them, you don't need to feel bad about things like this
Is there a way to Play around nibiru with orcust? I think in the ocg you have apollousa but in the tcg i can't find a solution, can someone please Help me
your mostly laddering up to bigger links and filling your gy to use the quick effects on your opponents turn, obviously the endboard will be way weaker but if you do get nibbed you should still have access to quick effect ding/the searched crescendo (link 1 can revive itself on quick eff w/ babel)/sending the new machine free agent that revives itself and pops a card, you just won't also have your link 4 assuming you couldn't extend thru the nib. If you get nibbed after making the full board you should still have a fairly high amount of interactions and followup.
Mantys Himn from MGS OMG this is so aminous and epic
I feel like people who say josh just hates on maliss because they are cyberse havent even tried playing this format. Maliss creates this all or nothing games were they either go first, play through all your handtraps and you auto-lose because their endboard is literally unbeatable, or you lancea them and they cant do anything else. Unlike Ryzeal which has easy and obvious chokepoints, with malice is a roulette whether your impermanence is gonna end their turn or be completely useless. Its the literal representation of what people outside of yugioh say yugioh is like, a going first combo fiesta were you automatically lose going second or if they drew the 1 out to your board.
In OCG, with new @ignister support, a single lancea won't skip their turn if they have @ extender. You lancea them, they have heatsoul endboard with handtrap.
@@ucanhhoanganh949 Ey nice, didnt knew that. Now, i dont know if i should feel better since now they arent completely destroyed by 1 lancea, or worse since now they arent completely destroyed by 1 lancea. Probably the former but this helps explain how they were finally able to beat ryzeal in placements.
the Ryzeal chokepoints thing used to be true until the deck became an abomination of engines in the TCG, powered by the fact we don't have Maxx "C" to gatekeep, Fiendsmith is at full power, and Mitsurugi got released
@@tomkulczewski kinda true but the mitsurugi version still has very obvious chokepoints and its still weak to handtraps, but you normally cant really handtrap both the mitsurugi and ryzeal parts of the deck, and they both just serve to complement each other. It also has a stronger endboard more similar to maliss (not really as strong but still true), while also being similar in the being weaker to common blowout cards aspect.
The fiendsmith version on the other hand doesnt really leave that strong of an endboard, but it's more similar to maliss in that handtrapping them is a lot more difficult, and they also always have a lot more handtraps. And both version dont normally completely lock you out of playing the game.
imma be honest i still personally think fiendsmith is the problem.
@ true... I feel like this format would've been very cool if Fiendsmith wasn't around to overshadow it. Ryzeal is a very nice and simple deck idea that got twisted in the TCG lol
I alway thought Malice is more scary than Razeal
What is going on with Gem Knights ?
Do you despise it as much as snake-eyes
I don't mind white forest blue eyes and orcust being 3rd to less because its a higher chance these decks wont get hit and still be playable in a year from now.
I wonder, if dinosaurs and zombies were actually good, would they get as much hate as cyberse for all their cards working together to make build a board combos
There are lot a of singularly broken Dinos and Zombies, their problem is exactly that they don't work together well for doing anything but getting things in rotation, unlike Cyberse which work together bc generic link spam strategy vomit 99999 bodies on the board.
is memento just brandet 2. it's that one fusion deck that some people realy like that is competent constantly but never so good that it catches hits
Except it doesn't lock the opponent with sanctifire.
I hope menento wins the next tournament. 😊
Memento is too trash rn I fear
@SunnyYGO with maliss as an shifter/bystial deck, it is unfortunatly not the best spot for memento right now :(
@@SunnyYGO Ay yo Sunny the goat is still alive??
Psycho Mantis, hahahaha. Joshua really is worried about the Format
All I heard was Maliss bad, Ryzeal good.
maliss is scary and they got appo in there
Yoooo Psycho Mantis BGM is based
they will now ban accesscode
Would be a based hit tbh.
Hm yes after rarity Collection. Would be a Classic konami move…
honestly i hope they give Orcust and Blue-Eyes new named support those 2 decks are infinitely cooler and more interactive than maliss if they can catch up and be a 3 way meta along ryzeal we would be primed for a fun meta but maliss needs to go the deck is already cancer as is
whats with the metal gear tunes,
The accode talker is insane maliss going first. 3 omnis for free
But it's ok when Ryzeal does the same thing in the TCG?
Ryzeal is far less toxic than Maliss bro, I can at least Lava Golem their board or something. If Maliss goes off the game is pretty much over.
For him yes it id
For everyone that enjoys playing the Game yes. For combo players who wanna play solitair, no.
@@yoastertoaster8306 Post Eclipse you can't do that. You still have to deal with a revived Detonator with 2 pops/cross negate and a paradise in the GY.
Welp now the format officially sucks and all the Maliss cards must be banned until it’s unplayable. Thank you Konami for making sure that us budget players at locals can only play stuff that is several years old like Spright, stuff that isn’t good like Ryu-Ge, or stuff that is basically broken due to how much it’s been hit like Snake Eyes. As long as Joshua gets to sleep at night knowing his Bystial Runick deck can compete, fuck the rest of us fans.
I love this deck so much. Alice in wonderland is one of my favorite movies. The play style is fun, and I’ve enjoyed playing the sky striker version and more recently the bystial heavy version
This whole report looks like it is straight up copy + pasted from Chat GPT lolol
Maliss white knights unite. Tell us deck is fine
Deck is fine
Deck is fine
Josh is just a cyberse racist. Stop the hate
Just ban splash mage/ transcode and every cyberse deck would be ok again.
Or be like Salamangreat/Marincess and make the deck so xenophobic that you basically can't play any cyberse payoff outside of the archetype lmao. Marincess has Splash Mage that floats, but it doesn't matter because the end board is 2 interactions.
transcode isnt even played, and maliss players avoid making splash mage until they really have to
@@FakeHeroFangToad and Argo?
it kinda sucks that when i first saw the leaks i absolutely fell in love in maliss, and expected it to be like pure white forest or centurion where it was going to be some contender rogue deck until they crack it open or more support comes
now its op and everyone plays to counter it so i can't even have fun with it
Oh no. I'm worried about the hell we are going to suffer through on Masterduel where we can't just main Lancea, and Masterduel hates banning waifus.
Waifus, eh? Can we play Melodious Heralds (as in the hand traps, not the Ritual stuff) and main Lancea as situational Fairy-type discard fodder?
salamangreat is the only Cyberse deck
Marincess is getting new support, you know...
That was obvious
They should errata Dimensional barrier to also ban links
Hell no we don't need more card that kill your opponents turn
I'm just happy white forest didn't become the new tear 0 (yet). I might be able to purchase the Bayonetta deck and not have it get nuked the next banlist.
Oh no that you say it i do see the similarities lol. Deck still kinda suffers under it owns gimmick though
The deck is a real deck post Suda imo, you now have enough pushes to beat boards like other top decks can do.
Cyburc strongest
Hot take (kinda) - People wouldn't be trying so hard to defend Malis (aka cyberse link pile slop) if it wasn't a waifu deck 😊
I don't understand why people are surprised that Maliss uses good link monsters. Like. They lock you into them and they don't have enough of their own extra deck monsters to fill out the other slots, so no shit they're gonna be a "slop" deck. Which isn't even fair considering the main deck is more or less always pure while the extra deck isn't because again. They only have 3 of their own ED monsters
@zeothesnowwolf2937 Yeah no shit they don't have many extra deck monsters. Thats how most archetype work lol. Rarely any single archetype has that many extra deck options for pure. What a silly argument.
And the lock doesn't fucking matter because the cyberse pile slop decks all eventually go through the same stuff anyways so the lock is barely worth a thing.
What a worthless distinction. Of course its gonna be called be a slop because thats what most cyberse combo decks devolve into.
I like some of the ideas in Maliss. The unfortunate thing is that it is a Cyberse deck. All of the non-Maliss Cyberse extra deck cards should just be banned.
Cyberse would be so much cooler if Mathmech locked you into Synchro and Xyz, while Malice would lock you to either Link 3+ or was just not a Link deck.
I'm fine with Cyberse Link combo decks existing, but not EVERY Cyberse deck needs to be that.
As much as people want to doom about what this format looks like in the OCG, I feel like it will be so much easier to fix with mild ban list changes compared to every bad format from POTE onward.
Also, it's good to see Orcust might not stay on the tippy-top; I'd hate to see them hit again, lol. I never really got a chance to play them IRL, even though I had them back when they were new. It's a really fun deck with layered interaction and plenty of grind game, but doesn't do immensely long combos and isn't as tough to pilot efficiently as say Labrynth, which is what I'm on IRL at the moment.
Link climbing as a mechanic just sucks because most good Link monsters pay for themselves, so the action of link climbing is basically double dipping advantage as you slowly work yourself up to higher link. That's the problem with every single broken Link-based decks (previously SE and now Maliss) and it will continue to be a problem.
That mechanic should just be removed. Want to make a Link 4? Use 4 monsters. That way things like Apo are far more balanced too.
@@David-hw9si tbh it wouldnt change anything if apo need 4 monster, every combo crap deck can putt up 4+ monsters at the same time.
only way 2 fix it will be banning key pieces and generic ED stuff. apo is banned in tcg (i think, im MD player) and that ban should happens in every format, aslong we have combo decks that basicly produces 10+ body w 1 starter every generic ED that has a negate should be banned.
i personal like control decks that been interactiv and i enjoy it if a duel takes more then 3 turns. the last year (in MD) w SE and yubel was a nightmare hell to me, and i only keept playing because paleo was viable. i was looking forward to rhyzeal but w maliss aswell on the horizon i think they lost me as a player. current cybverse decks already pissing me of in MD now w maliss no thx 4 that (not all cybverse are bad ie evil twin i love it (pure version) but evil twin is balanced because it locks u into fiends all the locks in ignister or mathmech or maliss dont really matter anyway
@@flackenstien to be fair, Maliss born as a link deck with archetype link, Mathmech is a synchro and xyz deck that prefer doing link cuz they can for some reason
@ nobody makes Apo or Accesscode with 4 monsters, or Terahertz with 5. That part is extremely relevant. Yes, combo spam decks can put out that many bodies, but if you can't make Apo with 2, you are forced to sacrifice another end-board piece for it. Same thing with Accesscode, which will check how easy you can OTK with it.
The point is that once you get rid of a mechanic that is problematic even at its inception, you can actually start bringing cards back.
If maliss locked you into link 3+, it probably would be a playable deck. Locking you into a specific summoning mechanic is just fine. The problem is with the degenerate cards like gryphon that locks you out the game. I love decks that outplay you with interactions, rather than just throw up negates or hand rips..
The bright side of this, besides the Bayonetta deck not getting nuked next banlist, is that TCG will nuke the crap out of the new board vomit deck *the* list after this degenerate trash is legal. The game simply has too much competition for them not to.
format will be fine, stop crying, learn to play good
scared he cant play runick bystial
Maliss is a problem because the Deck was designed to abuse generic Cyberse Pile Slop. Heck, making the Maliss Links 2300 ATK and making the archetype DARK felt almost too deliberate considering what ALIN did. I said that ALIN would make Maliss the best Deck in the format and I was right. It's not Tier 0, but losing the die roll to post-ALIN Maliss and then seeing them go into generic Cyberse combos with Maliss flavor just sounds like an experience worse than going up against full-power Snake-Eyes. Even Jesse Kotton hates Maliss and he's probably cursing himself over the reality of ALIN making a Deck he hates going against even more unbearable since now the chokepoints become a lot more ambiguous and the endboards are harder to break
About Jesse, I think he maybe could like Maliss more now that the deck doesn't insta-losses to Lancea, that was one of his bigest complains about the deck after all. He wasn't cursing when the new Maliss support was revealed either (and he recognized how good it was), so I don't think he's taking the news that bad at least.
@CL361
Jesse made an entire video recently about why he hated Maliss and said that it's either he drew into Lancea against them or he wasn't having a good time when they went first. He cited the fact that low-impact handtraps can be ineffective against them because Cyberse extenders complicate the chokepoints of combos as is without Lancea. Now? Not even Lancea would be able to help much if they have Backup/Wizard letting them extend through not being able to banish Maliss (something Josh read out in the metagame report with a lot of salt in his voice)
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Yeah, I saw his video. In that video he also said that, from the perspective of playing Maliss, he hated the idea of loss to 1 single Lancea.
And I don't remember if it was in the same video or in one of his streams (maybe if was in his reaction to the new Maliss support), but he said if Maliss has to be an "ftk" combo deck like Yubel/SE, he would prefer Maliss to be reliable in doing so and not loss to 1 single card.
@CL361
Which is true what he said there. But that just goes back to the loop that now Maliss can do that and is now at the levels of Snake-Eye/Yubel which wasn't desirable either. Still, I'd want to see Jesse's thoughts on the OCG Metagame Report