Without question Khorkina should have beaten Gogean as well. Teza I would even have beating Gogean, but atleast there I can see an argument for Gogean coming ahead.
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Gina is no doubt one of the greats, but for this routine to win over KYY's will never cease to be insane to me. One of the most ridiculous results courtesy of the old code!
@@thesovgc It is due to the bad accident she had in 94. So I understand her not wanting to do one. That said this routine no way in hell should have been a gold medal routine. A routine without even a basic flight series winning gold on beam over some of the incredible routines in this final, LOL!
One good thing about the new scoring system is that it prevents things like this from happening. Kui would've been the winner by a mile under the current system because her SV would've been much higher than Khorkina's and especially Gogean's.
In 97-00 CoP gymnasts must earn 9.0 base score from fulfilling all requirements and 1.0 of bonus to meet 10.0 difficulty. This is how Gogean earned her 1.0 bonus from the CoP: Front tuck mount (D) 1/4 turn switch split leap (D)
Wolf 1/2 from regular position being a D element, and getting .2 bonus for adding a Wolf jump to a single other element, are simultaneously two of the dumbest things ever in a gymnastics code.
@@Zuranthiumtrue. you have to consider that this code sought to reward combinations and discourage repetition. Sigh. A lot of silly combo bonuses resulted.
I think her dismount was counted as a flight series. Count on the Romanians to do as little as possible. They were always the best at finding loopholes in the code of points.
That is pathetic especialy for an event finals gold medalist. Yes so Romanian though. Notice how their results tanked once the open ended code came into place.
@@naailtariq5930 I agree. I think KYY's beam was the most exciting and most difficult. But you're right. This routine had the least deductions because it was so generic, cookie cutter, and with the least amount of skills. I don't blame Gina. I blame the code of points that allowed for gymnasts to do the least and profit the most.
@tomsk14 I agree completely. Hating on Gina Gogean for doing her job is uncalled for. Should this have won gold? No. But people need to take it up with the judges instead of calling Gina names. She won a lot of well-deserved medals in her career; this just wasn't one of them.
Not a gold medal routine in my opinion. It was way too dry, and not without mistakes either. Didn't the judges see the tiny wobble on the mount? Kui deserved this medal.
This is one final that is partially the reason why the perfect 10 scoring went away. Instead of giving the gold to a safe routine executed well, it would go to the girl doing a difficult routine well.
Ilise Angel I respectfully disagree with you. Gymnastics needs the perfect 10 scoring system because quite frankly that is what the audience wants. These days, Collegiate gymnastics competition gain way more attendance into the thousands versus the majority of major national and international competitions because they love the excitement of a gymnast performing a perfect 10 and the existing scoring system is way too difficult to understand. What they need to do is bring back the perfect 10 scoring system to increase the fan base of gymnastics as well as recruit new talent. There needs to be a greater level of excitement for the sport as many international competition these days are more than half empty in attendance. Gogean’s beam routine is a perfect example of how many of her skills need to be devalued as they aren’t nearly as difficult as many other skills performed. This is why in Collegiate gymnastics, the Yurchenko full vault was devalued and could not achieve a 10. Everyone was doing them. If the judges would not have awarded so highly for these basic skills, she would have possibly won the bronze and that’s what she deserved at best. It was an embarrassment she won when other routines were far more difficult and innovative than hers aside from very minor wobbles.
@Gymnastics World I'm really surprised your name is "Gymnastics World." I'm sorry, but you really don't seem to be intelligent on the subject. There are many international competitions that don't even achieve half the size of audience members as compared to Collegiate gymnastics. No one has suggested an unfair scoring system as that would be stupid. As with any professional sport, it takes strong marketing and intelligent organizational skills to make money to continue to feed the sport for future success. You clearly missed my entire point, which is very sad.
@Gymnastics World There are plenty of reasons. I find people like you to be incredibly frustrating. You don't listen. I told you to not respond back to me. You have zero business sense. Gymnastics is a business. And you are WRONG. It isn't growing. In fact, it is suffering. I guess you haven't witnessed the past 5 years of international competitions and the enormous reductions in tickets sales? Any person with half a brain knows that the sport is trying to increase the audience and viewing count. Ninety percent of the general public will never be educated enough to understand the complexities of the current gymnastic's scoring system, let alone the remaining ten percent of gymnastic's fans that still have troubles with it. When something is too complex, any fool will know this will never encourage new audience members, new fans, and potentially new children wanting to participate in it. Audiences love the notion of perfection. Nadia's perfect ten is what propelled gymnastics popularity for three entire decades. Upon entering the 2000's, we have seen a decline in gymnastics popularity. The scoring absolutely has a lot to do with it for the above reasons. So YES there are reasons you are ignorant. I gave you plenty. Goodbye and consider changing your name. It just doesn't fit in a very obvious way.
@Gymnastics World lol Im not only not going to read your entire rubbish, but I'm going to continue to laugh all day at you being a fool. Thanks for the good laugh.
Gina had a breathtakingly beautiful dismount combination here! The best of her career! Still 3rd place is the very best she should have gotten in this final! Strange result
It WAS the judge's error. After the competition, the president of the FIG actually chastised the judges and told them they were wrong. It was common during this time to award gymnasts for increased difficulty. Most of the perfect 10 routines had tiny errors, but were so amazing because of the difficulty, grace, and precision that the judges overlooked them. Besides, judges do not merely score, they rank. And Kui clearly had a better routine than Gogean.
Mount 0.1, side jump 0.1, half turn wolf jump + wolf jump 0.2, forward jump + jump 0.2, backward jump + handstand 0.1, dismount 0.3, thats 1, + 9 = 10 SV. She basically jumped her way to a gold, without flips and layouts, and not even with a yang bo jump.
That is because it is. Nadia actually had a flight series that would be fairly difficult even in 97. Gina didn't even have a proper flight series, not even a simple one.
(that's because it was) Szabo's trademark 4 back handsprings in a row (which I recently discovered Silivaș competed as well, only with the final one in scale) was more interesting than the entirety of this exercise.
Its the judges fault. It is not hers. The judges i feel overscored her a lot of the time. Her gold medal here i dont think she shouldve ever gotten. Her bronze in 1996 im still confused on how she got it.Her other events i like, its just her beam was boring and very compulsery. I dont know how she makes it into the beam finals with a compulsery routine and wins it?! Romania always did not take risks at all,hence why they have 4-5 bar sets that look like.And this is why they dont win gold anymore
Some people don't seem to like her for whatever reason,but I think it says alot that even though she's not the flashiest or most exciting to watch, she was around for a long time,and always seemed very consistent. I always think that consistency is more important in alot of ways.
@@admetric Very true, and hence how results like this were even possible. It just shows how insanely stupid the old system is. The new system has some massive flaws too, but the old system should have gone after the 88 Olympics at the latest.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT! this won the gold over the chinese girl. noooooo fffing way! what did she do besides front tuck and dismount. this is seriously messed up.
This has to be the most boring gold medal performance in the history of the balance beam. Kui's routine was dynamic, difficult and you just couldn't take your eyes off her! Watching Gina, I was like 'ok, when's she gonna open up her bag of tricks...' and nothing. YAWN.
Well, don't take it out on Gina. I completely agree--her routine was MUCH easier, and Kui definitely should have won, but it's not the girls' fault. The judges are the ones who are at fault. And Gina does have excellent extension and form, whether you like her or not.
All things said about Gogean you cant deny she is made for the sport mentally, perhaps not as risky and flairy and exciting as others, but so so calm and controlled and collected, she never looks rattled. She did what was required, you cant argue with that, if reward had been given for more expression, whos to say she wouldnt have produced it?
The problem with criticizing Romania's program at the time (or anyone's program at any time) is that it inevitably turns nasty, personal and unfair. I admire Gina while at the same time I am critical of her approach. She was clearly a dedicated athlete - and what she did she did pretty well. We also have to give credit to her high consistency, which we saw much less of from the more artistic and stylish gymnasts. She was enduring and utterly nerveless and I respect her for it - but I'm not going to lie: she wasn't a great artistic gymnast. Her gymnastics was safe, it was efficient, it was dull and unimpressive and there was nothing remotely artistic about it. This gold was pretty much a gift. But it was a long time ago. She hit a relatively clean routine, got gold and that's that; there's no use crying about how Kui and Sveta missed out.
+withlove312 That's been Romania's strategy for years. They did what they had to do to get the 10.00 start value, and then hit consistent routine after consistent routine. They rarely ever gave anything anything away in terms of execution. They wore down other gymnasts by basically being consistently perfect. They let other people make the errors, and then they sneak in.
This whole event final was a sick joke. I mean WTF? Some of you don't get the big picture here when you make comments like "Gina did what she had to do to win." She did do what it takes to win but she did it by playing it safe. This routine was an embarrassment to all the beam legends all over the world from the past to the present. Everyone know's Kui's routine was the most difficult, versatile and artistic at this competition.
Dont hate on Gina, the fact is that she did was required in those code of points. It winds me up when people criticise the romanians of the 90's, no they werent beautiful and fun to watch, but they were coached to win. Get it?? COACHED - TO - WIN. If something else was required, they wouldve done something else, they were doing what was required under that code of points to win. I'd rather this than the mess we had 2006 - 2009. I heart Gina.
i like the way that kathy johnson commentates..i think she gives comments to every gymnasts and does not seem to have any bias..hmmm..what do you guys think?
I though Gogean's form was adequate rather than wonderful and her dance unimaginative rather than beautiful. I saw very little artistry, flexibility, difficulty, or amplitude. Not to mention she was a little off on her mount and her backhandspring quarter came down awfully quickly but it seems like the judges generously overlooked this routine's flaws. IMO, she should've been no higher than 3rd.
No higher than what? I can't read that last part of your comment. Anyway I have her no higher than 4th behind Kui, Khorkina, Teza. Teza totally was robbed of a medal of some kind. Furnon and the Ukranian have a case to be over her too, and even Maloney. Maloney's form sucked, but she still had literally triple the difficulty as Gogean, both had just 1 balance check, so even that is debateable. Anywhere from 4th highest to 6th or 7th lowest.
Well put about this routine putting the Romanian legacy to shame. This routine is not even in the same universe as Comaneci, Szabo, Agache, Silivas, Dobre, Potorac. It's a visible step DOWN from her forebears.
A lot of it is not Gina and the others fault. It was Belu who wanted his gymnasts to do the bare minimum and play the code. Those others you mentioned were never under Belu's regime, he came in after 88.
Er... did she ONLY do a front somersault on the beam? I can't believe how simple the routine was! Which moronic judges gave her the gold? Please resign from judging!
This is the best example of what was wrong with the code of points on beam at this time. How does THIS routine win a world championship? Not only did she NOT have a flight series; two of her "combinations" were total copouts. Front tuck to changement? Beat jump to backhandspring quarter? I could forgive those if there were something else of substance in the routine, but there is NOT. Poor Kui Yuanyuan, robbed by the code of death.
Problem for China has always been consistency; think about Yang Bo, greatest beam worker EVER, but never won a major title. She would mess up when it mattered; her 1989 World beam final is a classic, and sad, example of what I mean.
Don't get me wrong, I really love Gogean...but she absolutely did not deserve the Gold Medal. I think it is one of the biggest judging embarrasments in all of gymnastic history. Tat mdeal was a gift for her retirement. Such a shame.
how was this routine even worth a 10.0 even by 1997 code of points? if i am not mistaken, this routine was basically the same exact routine she did at the 96 olympics, and even then it was the bare minimum.
However, I have to go with majority rules on this thread and say that this was at least a Bronze medal routine. Definitely loved Kui and Khorkina over this one. Gina definitely changed from her younger days - her BB routine from 1992 euros was much better than this one but I do love her dismount.
The stretch jump is the most baffling thing in her routine... it’s so simple, it’s like something you’d do to cover for a mistake somewhere else. WTF...
I like Gogean's form and lines, but it seemed like she never cared to go for any sort of extremely difficult moves. I honestly don't think she should have won any medal, just like Atlanta.
Dumb Elfie comment. "she designs her routines to hit." As if the other gymnasts don't. And is that her code for the fact that Gogean took few risks and got the gold?
@markedexclusive yes, you are right. sometimes they sound the same to me... it was just amazing that there was a way to get a 10 value, and do so little tumbling. I mean, her leaps were nice, but jeez... I do like this code better, but i wish they did 2 scores out of 5.00, so it could add up to 10.0.
Someone in this thread said something profound and i have to agree, "judges not only have a responsibility to score according to the COP, but also to rank the gymnasts that perform routines." So it was a judging mess! Gina can code whore all she wants but its the judges that should make sure the best routines win, and this routine was clearly not the best. There are mistakes. And she does a straight jump to 1/4 handstand???!!! No way....not a gold medal routine and the judges know it.
That's the thing with the old scoring system - they're all worth a 10.0. And if you just go by deductions- it's hard to find deductions with Gogean's type of gymnastics. You don't get rewarded with extra difficulty. I think they should also reward now for artistry somehow.
No, I was just genuinely wondering what was lacking. I don't even like this routine and it's a joke that she won. It's such a shame because I know Kui was crushed especially because she saw someone else win gold on beam at the 2000 Olympics.
I saw that fall(1994). Gina Gogean was very brave because she had plenty force inside of her to continue. She managed with that trouble! This is the difference between her and the overscored Khorkhina. Last mentioned would cry, screaming like hell and four years after she would do the same ugly fall. Gina won a GOLD medal instead! "one freakin` salto", said one of you. She had THE NERVE to do that "salto"! Many gymnasts would retire after an unfortunate incident like Gina`s.
i actually liked the little bit of *gasp* choreography low to the beam it was pretty artistic and original, but the rest of the routine was boring... *snores* *snores again* *wakes up* *"what'd i miss?"* *"nothing it's gogean's beam"* *"oh ok good night wake me up when it's over"* *snores*
A true champ acts like a true champ. For instance: he/she never acts in an unappropriate way (like Khorkhina did in 2000 at Sydney, spreading bad rumours about another gymnast(Raducan in her case). A true champ must be prepare to anticipate a disaster, so that when its comes, to overtake that. A true champ is different by other people not BECAUSE "she is Khorkhina" but because the way she manage troubles! THAT makes the difference. The Attitude!
I have no clue how Gogean won the gold. As stated, she had a very obvious form break on her mount. Khorkina's routine was far superior. But, as many of you stated - I believe Kui should have won as well. Innovation and difficulty always should be factored in a routine. Kui had a much more difficult, artistic, and exciting routine.
this routine makes me want to puke. How did this routine have a 10 start value. Ive seen more difficult routines in the 70s. And look at the mount there is just as much of a bobble there as there is from kui on the layout series. She trys to trick the judges by walking out of it, but its clearly there.
I don't think she did better than khorkina she had a couple wobbles and khorkina executed hers perfectly !!! Maybe Gina had a higher difficulty but she didn't execute her routine as well as svetlana!! Thumbs up if u agree to this
That's not Elfie commentating, it's Kathy Johnson. She won bronze on beam at the 1984 Olympics. I think she was putting it nicely that Gina Gogean was whoring out the code of points and doing the bare minimum to get a ten SV.
She was just doing what Romanians were known for: using the Code to their advantage... nothing too impressive nothing to risky in order to just hit... although it was a pretty big wobble at the beginning with an extra step and she is never up on her toes when she changes direction... definitely inflated score! Kui was robbed big time!
I can see why she won(did she win?)Her execution is very very good, she hits splits on her leaps(i80 degrees or more, on both split and switch side leap), and the only error was a slight break after her mount. To the detractors, yes, Kui had more exciting skills, but too many breaks. The key is consistency.
Shes totally over scored. Her difficutly level is so low and boring compared to the other girls. This was the era 1996 to 2000 where Romanians was highly favored. Winning a notch higher to deserving other gymnast who had more difficutly. Im glad things changed already. Being safe and clean isnt ok anymore. But doing the difficutly and being unique is now in.
Errr...how was THIS routine better than Kui Yuanyuan's?! Yuanyuan had so much more difficulty and acrobatic moves. She was sorta dancing around on the beam, other than her mount and her punch front, nothing else was of high difficulty. Puzzles the heck out of me. And apparently, this result is one of the biggest controversies in scoring in WAG lol.
Gina Gogean is not one of my favorite gymnasts and though she hit her routine she doesn't deserve a gold on the beam. If the judges want to give her a medal because she is retiring soon after this World Championships and because of her reputation, she should have only gotten a bronze. (Heck even the president of the Federation of International Gymnastics at the time publicly chastise the judges for their judging during the event.)
I do not remember what her score was but as a former Gymnast and Gymnastics coach I only found very few deductions on the mount yes 1 or 2 tenths but that is really all I seen I would have given this a 9.75 . There has been so many times were I think she got cheated out of the gold. any one agree? Just like Simona Amanar did...
What do you mean by this comment??? Sure I agree this routine by Gina was boring and dull but that does not mean the Romanians routines on beam are all dull and boring... I don't consider Silivas, Dobre, Comaneci, Potorac, Marinescu, Ponor and Porgras work on BB boring. Perhaps you just meant this quad of gymnasts (Gogean,Milo,Amanar) are boring on beam. But clearly, this is NOT a typical romanian beam routine because they are LEGENDS on beam.
She fulfilled all the requirements, plus all bonus to make it have a start value of a 10.0. She may not have had the flair, but she had what it took to score from a 10.0. I liked her routine.
I beg to differ that Khorkina was the true victim. She had no execution errors. Kui had at least 3.. That's something that was actually in her control at least.
Though I think Kui should have won and it's ridiculously obvious, I do like her under-the-beam work. Did she even do any aerials in this routine? All I saw were about a thousand jumps.
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It's probably because people always want the pretty one to win it's human nature, although she should not have won the gold as it was not the best on the day. However that was the judges fault not Gogean's a fact most people who comment on beam video's seem to forget.
Not hating on Gogean; she's a fine gymnast, but Kui Yuanyuan should have won this gold medal.
Without question Khorkina should have beaten Gogean as well. Teza I would even have beating Gogean, but atleast there I can see an argument for Gogean coming ahead.
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Gina is no doubt one of the greats, but for this routine to win over KYY's will never cease to be insane to me. One of the most ridiculous results courtesy of the old code!
Her routine did not have quite the artistry of Kui's, but the huge technical difficulty won her the gold.
I counted 3 breaks in this routine. How this scored a 9.8 I will never know! Kui was ROBBED
It's the complete disdain and aversion to a flight series for me
Yuan yuan was robbed .
@@thesovgc It is due to the bad accident she had in 94. So I understand her not wanting to do one. That said this routine no way in hell should have been a gold medal routine. A routine without even a basic flight series winning gold on beam over some of the incredible routines in this final, LOL!
One good thing about the new scoring system is that it prevents things like this from happening. Kui would've been the winner by a mile under the current system because her SV would've been much higher than Khorkina's and especially Gogean's.
In 97-00 CoP gymnasts must earn 9.0 base score from fulfilling all requirements and 1.0 of bonus to meet 10.0 difficulty.
This is how Gogean earned her 1.0 bonus from the CoP:
Front tuck mount (D)
1/4 turn switch split leap (D)
Wolf 1/2 from regular position being a D element, and getting .2 bonus for adding a Wolf jump to a single other element, are simultaneously two of the dumbest things ever in a gymnastics code.
@@Zuranthiumtrue. you have to consider that this code sought to reward combinations and discourage repetition. Sigh. A lot of silly combo bonuses resulted.
I think her dismount was counted as a flight series. Count on the Romanians to do as little as possible. They were always the best at finding loopholes in the code of points.
For the team or even All Around that is fine I guess, but for the event finals that is disgraceful. Especialy for a gold medal routine, LOL!
Well I guess I can't blame them for that. I guess this routine had the least deductions bcs it had the least in it
That is pathetic especialy for an event finals gold medalist. Yes so Romanian though. Notice how their results tanked once the open ended code came into place.
@@naailtariq5930 I agree. I think KYY's beam was the most exciting and most difficult. But you're right. This routine had the least deductions because it was so generic, cookie cutter, and with the least amount of skills. I don't blame Gina. I blame the code of points that allowed for gymnasts to do the least and profit the most.
@tomsk14 I agree completely. Hating on Gina Gogean for doing her job is uncalled for. Should this have won gold? No. But people need to take it up with the judges instead of calling Gina names. She won a lot of well-deserved medals in her career; this just wasn't one of them.
Thank God she left out a flight series for that stunning and brave wolf-half + wolf combo. THANK YOU GINA! 🙏
Not a gold medal routine in my opinion. It was way too dry, and not without mistakes either. Didn't the judges see the tiny wobble on the mount? Kui deserved this medal.
This is one final that is partially the reason why the perfect 10 scoring went away. Instead of giving the gold to a safe routine executed well, it would go to the girl doing a difficult routine well.
Ilise Angel I respectfully disagree with you. Gymnastics needs the perfect 10 scoring system because quite frankly that is what the audience wants. These days, Collegiate gymnastics competition gain way more attendance into the thousands versus the majority of major national and international competitions because they love the excitement of a gymnast performing a perfect 10 and the existing scoring system is way too difficult to understand. What they need to do is bring back the perfect 10 scoring system to increase the fan base of gymnastics as well as recruit new talent. There needs to be a greater level of excitement for the sport as many international competition these days are more than half empty in attendance. Gogean’s beam routine is a perfect example of how many of her skills need to be devalued as they aren’t nearly as difficult as many other skills performed. This is why in Collegiate gymnastics, the Yurchenko full vault was devalued and could not achieve a 10. Everyone was doing them. If the judges would not have awarded so highly for these basic skills, she would have possibly won the bronze and that’s what she deserved at best. It was an embarrassment she won when other routines were far more difficult and innovative than hers aside from very minor wobbles.
@Gymnastics World I'm really surprised your name is "Gymnastics World." I'm sorry, but you really don't seem to be intelligent on the subject. There are many international competitions that don't even achieve half the size of audience members as compared to Collegiate gymnastics. No one has suggested an unfair scoring system as that would be stupid. As with any professional sport, it takes strong marketing and intelligent organizational skills to make money to continue to feed the sport for future success. You clearly missed my entire point, which is very sad.
@Gymnastics World Please don't respond back to me. Your comments are beyond ignorant and I grow bored of them...
@Gymnastics World There are plenty of reasons. I find people like you to be incredibly frustrating. You don't listen. I told you to not respond back to me. You have zero business sense. Gymnastics is a business. And you are WRONG. It isn't growing. In fact, it is suffering. I guess you haven't witnessed the past 5 years of international competitions and the enormous reductions in tickets sales? Any person with half a brain knows that the sport is trying to increase the audience and viewing count. Ninety percent of the general public will never be educated enough to understand the complexities of the current gymnastic's scoring system, let alone the remaining ten percent of gymnastic's fans that still have troubles with it. When something is too complex, any fool will know this will never encourage new audience members, new fans, and potentially new children wanting to participate in it. Audiences love the notion of perfection. Nadia's perfect ten is what propelled gymnastics popularity for three entire decades. Upon entering the 2000's, we have seen a decline in gymnastics popularity. The scoring absolutely has a lot to do with it for the above reasons. So YES there are reasons you are ignorant. I gave you plenty. Goodbye and consider changing your name. It just doesn't fit in a very obvious way.
@Gymnastics World lol Im not only not going to read your entire rubbish, but I'm going to continue to laugh all day at you being a fool. Thanks for the good laugh.
Gina had a breathtakingly beautiful dismount combination here! The best of her career! Still 3rd place is the very best she should have gotten in this final! Strange result
It WAS the judge's error. After the competition, the president of the FIG actually chastised the judges and told them they were wrong. It was common during this time to award gymnasts for increased difficulty. Most of the perfect 10 routines had tiny errors, but were so amazing because of the difficulty, grace, and precision that the judges overlooked them. Besides, judges do not merely score, they rank. And Kui clearly had a better routine than Gogean.
Yeah so many 10s had wobbles . Goodness , not to detract from Yelena S in 88 but her vault landing had arms swinging and chest to the ground
We should know who were the judges who gave "this" the gold medal,instead of Kui Yuanyan,
put them on beam and throw them some tomatoes.
that should have been out of a 9.6. where are the elements???
Mount 0.1, side jump 0.1, half turn wolf jump + wolf jump 0.2, forward jump + jump 0.2, backward jump + handstand 0.1, dismount 0.3, thats 1, + 9 = 10 SV. She basically jumped her way to a gold, without flips and layouts, and not even with a yang bo jump.
This routine looks even easier than Nadia Comaneci's routine from 1976 (excpet the dismont) !!!
That is because it is. Nadia actually had a flight series that would be fairly difficult even in 97. Gina didn't even have a proper flight series, not even a simple one.
(that's because it was)
Szabo's trademark 4 back handsprings in a row (which I recently discovered Silivaș competed as well, only with the final one in scale) was more interesting than the entirety of this exercise.
Its the judges fault. It is not hers. The judges i feel overscored her a lot of the time. Her gold medal here i dont think she shouldve ever gotten. Her bronze in 1996 im still confused on how she got it.Her other events i like, its just her beam was boring and very compulsery. I dont know how she makes it into the beam finals with a compulsery routine and wins it?! Romania always did not take risks at all,hence why they have 4-5 bar sets that look like.And this is why they dont win gold anymore
Doing the less to get the maximum
great slogan, that really should be on a t-shirt! lol
Some people don't seem to like her for whatever reason,but I think it says alot that even though she's not the flashiest or most exciting to watch, she was around for a long time,and always seemed very consistent. I always think that consistency is more important in alot of ways.
It's called NO FLIGHT SERIES. Abominable!
Absolutely agree with you - very well said! I personally thought she was a beautiful gymnast with fantastic execution.
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hey compare this: yuanyuan: wolf jump to a rulfova
gogean: wolf jump 1/2 to another wolf jump
this is ridiculous
They both are actually worth the same. The wolf half was a d skill in 1997; it was downgraded to a c the next year.
@@admetric Very true, and hence how results like this were even possible. It just shows how insanely stupid the old system is. The new system has some massive flaws too, but the old system should have gone after the 88 Olympics at the latest.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
this won the gold over the chinese girl. noooooo fffing way! what did she do besides front tuck and dismount. this is seriously messed up.
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Абсолютно! I can think of 4 off the top of me head, and that's without going down to the Euros level.
May not be gold medal worthy but that dismount was excellent.
This has to be the most boring gold medal performance in the history of the balance beam. Kui's routine was dynamic, difficult and you just couldn't take your eyes off her! Watching Gina, I was like 'ok, when's she gonna open up her bag of tricks...' and nothing. YAWN.
Well, don't take it out on Gina. I completely agree--her routine was MUCH easier, and Kui definitely should have won, but it's not the girls' fault. The judges are the ones who are at fault. And Gina does have excellent extension and form, whether you like her or not.
All things said about Gogean you cant deny she is made for the sport mentally, perhaps not as risky and flairy and exciting as others, but so so calm and controlled and collected, she never looks rattled. She did what was required, you cant argue with that, if reward had been given for more expression, whos to say she wouldnt have produced it?
this beam routine is less difficult than the ones she did when she was 10 years old!
The problem with criticizing Romania's program at the time (or anyone's program at any time) is that it inevitably turns nasty, personal and unfair. I admire Gina while at the same time I am critical of her approach. She was clearly a dedicated athlete - and what she did she did pretty well. We also have to give credit to her high consistency, which we saw much less of from the more artistic and stylish gymnasts. She was enduring and utterly nerveless and I respect her for it - but I'm not going to lie: she wasn't a great artistic gymnast. Her gymnastics was safe, it was efficient, it was dull and unimpressive and there was nothing remotely artistic about it. This gold was pretty much a gift. But it was a long time ago. She hit a relatively clean routine, got gold and that's that; there's no use crying about how Kui and Sveta missed out.
+withlove312 That's been Romania's strategy for years. They did what they had to do to get the 10.00 start value, and then hit consistent routine after consistent routine. They rarely ever gave anything anything away in terms of execution. They wore down other gymnasts by basically being consistently perfect. They let other people make the errors, and then they sneak in.
that's how we like it, Varys style
This whole event final was a sick joke. I mean WTF? Some of you don't get the big picture here when you make comments like "Gina did what she had to do to win." She did do what it takes to win but she did it by playing it safe. This routine was an embarrassment to all the beam legends all over the world from the past to the present. Everyone know's Kui's routine was the most difficult, versatile and artistic at this competition.
Dont hate on Gina, the fact is that she did was required in those code of points.
It winds me up when people criticise the romanians of the 90's, no they werent beautiful and fun to watch, but they were coached to win.
Get it?? COACHED - TO - WIN.
If something else was required, they wouldve done something else, they were doing what was required under that code of points to win.
I'd rather this than the mess we had 2006 - 2009.
I heart Gina.
Ed Abbott Also don't forget diving at the finish line to beat Allyson Felix was a perfectly acceptable way of winning as well.
i like the way that kathy johnson commentates..i think she gives comments to every gymnasts and does not seem to have any bias..hmmm..what do you guys think?
I though Gogean's form was adequate rather than wonderful and her dance unimaginative rather than beautiful. I saw very little artistry, flexibility, difficulty, or amplitude. Not to mention she was a little off on her mount and her backhandspring quarter came down awfully quickly but it seems like the judges generously overlooked this routine's flaws. IMO, she should've been no higher than 3rd.
No higher than what? I can't read that last part of your comment. Anyway I have her no higher than 4th behind Kui, Khorkina, Teza. Teza totally was robbed of a medal of some kind. Furnon and the Ukranian have a case to be over her too, and even Maloney. Maloney's form sucked, but she still had literally triple the difficulty as Gogean, both had just 1 balance check, so even that is debateable. Anywhere from 4th highest to 6th or 7th lowest.
I thought her low beam part was interesting, but that is it.
Well put about this routine putting the Romanian legacy to shame. This routine is not even in the same universe as Comaneci, Szabo, Agache, Silivas, Dobre, Potorac. It's a visible step DOWN from her forebears.
A lot of it is not Gina and the others fault. It was Belu who wanted his gymnasts to do the bare minimum and play the code. Those others you mentioned were never under Belu's regime, he came in after 88.
Er... did she ONLY do a front somersault on the beam? I can't believe how simple the routine was! Which moronic judges gave her the gold? Please resign from judging!
the was bar none the most lamest beam routine that i've ever seen--it really shames the romanian beam legacy. so not deserving of the gold
This is the best example of what was wrong with the code of points on beam at this time. How does THIS routine win a world championship? Not only did she NOT have a flight series; two of her "combinations" were total copouts. Front tuck to changement? Beat jump to backhandspring quarter? I could forgive those if there were something else of substance in the routine, but there is NOT.
Poor Kui Yuanyuan, robbed by the code of death.
The new CODE of Points have really hurt the Romanians who really did the minimum.
I don't like the new cop too much but it would have awarded Kui the gold she so badly deserved.
I think Kui Yuan Yuan had a better routine
Problem for China has always been consistency; think about Yang Bo, greatest beam worker EVER, but never won a major title. She would mess up when it mattered; her 1989 World beam final is a classic, and sad, example of what I mean.
And gold medal goes to FRONT TUCK! =D
Don't get me wrong, I really love Gogean...but she absolutely did not deserve the Gold Medal. I think it is one of the biggest judging embarrasments in all of gymnastic history. Tat mdeal was a gift for her retirement. Such a shame.
how was this routine even worth a 10.0 even by 1997 code of points? if i am not mistaken, this routine was basically the same exact routine she did at the 96 olympics, and even then it was the bare minimum.
Kui wazzzzz roooooobbed!
However, I have to go with majority rules on this thread and say that this was at least a Bronze medal routine. Definitely loved Kui and Khorkina over this one. Gina definitely changed from her younger days - her BB routine from 1992 euros was much better than this one but I do love her dismount.
You are correct! This is not even a bronze routine.
Her gold and Kariin Janz UB in 1972 are the biggest farce in the history of gymnastics.
The stretch jump is the most baffling thing in her routine... it’s so simple, it’s like something you’d do to cover for a mistake somewhere else. WTF...
I like Gogean's form and lines, but it seemed like she never cared to go for any sort of extremely difficult moves. I honestly don't think she should have won any medal, just like Atlanta.
Dumb Elfie comment. "she designs her routines to hit." As if the other gymnasts don't. And is that her code for the fact that Gogean took few risks and got the gold?
@markedexclusive yes, you are right. sometimes they sound the same to me... it was just amazing that there was a way to get a 10 value, and do so little tumbling. I mean, her leaps were nice, but jeez... I do like this code better, but i wish they did 2 scores out of 5.00, so it could add up to 10.0.
Someone in this thread said something profound and i have to agree, "judges not only have a responsibility to score according to the COP, but also to rank the gymnasts that perform routines." So it was a judging mess! Gina can code whore all she wants but its the judges that should make sure the best routines win, and this routine was clearly not the best. There are mistakes. And she does a straight jump to 1/4 handstand???!!! No way....not a gold medal routine and the judges know it.
That's the thing with the old scoring system - they're all worth a 10.0. And if you just go by deductions- it's hard to find deductions with Gogean's type of gymnastics. You don't get rewarded with extra difficulty. I think they should also reward now for artistry somehow.
@iaswnath
I was thinking of something a bit more violent but ok, that works too i guess
I hate this girl, she should be erased from the history books.Every time this girl was present in a final, a more talented gymnast was robbed.
No, I was just genuinely wondering what was lacking. I don't even like this routine and it's a joke that she won. It's such a shame because I know Kui was crushed especially because she saw someone else win gold on beam at the 2000 Olympics.
I saw that fall(1994). Gina Gogean was very brave because she had plenty force inside of her to continue. She managed with that trouble! This is the difference between her and the overscored Khorkhina. Last mentioned would cry, screaming like hell and four years after she would do the same ugly fall. Gina won a GOLD medal instead! "one freakin` salto", said one of you. She had THE NERVE to do that "salto"! Many gymnasts would retire after an unfortunate incident like Gina`s.
i actually liked the little bit of *gasp* choreography low to the beam
it was pretty artistic and original, but the rest of the routine was boring... *snores*
*snores again* *wakes up* *"what'd i miss?"* *"nothing it's gogean's beam"* *"oh ok good night wake me up when it's over"* *snores*
A true champ acts like a true champ. For instance: he/she never acts in an unappropriate way (like Khorkhina did in 2000 at Sydney, spreading bad rumours about another gymnast(Raducan in her case). A true champ must be prepare to anticipate a disaster, so that when its comes, to overtake that. A true champ is different by other people not BECAUSE "she is Khorkhina" but because the way she manage troubles! THAT makes the difference. The Attitude!
I have no clue how Gogean won the gold. As stated, she had a very obvious form break on her mount. Khorkina's routine was far superior. But, as many of you stated - I believe Kui should have won as well. Innovation and difficulty always should be factored in a routine. Kui had a much more difficult, artistic, and exciting routine.
this routine makes me want to puke. How did this routine have a 10 start value. Ive seen more difficult routines in the 70s. And look at the mount there is just as much of a bobble there as there is from kui on the layout series. She trys to trick the judges by walking out of it, but its clearly there.
gina didnt do anything in her routine, especially compared to kui yuanyuan who definitely deserved the gold
unfair
whisky1991q No. It’s not. Gina hit her routine. Kui did not.
@all4uanew I didnt mention the USA, it was a grotesque era in gymnastics that most of us here would never want to see again.....
I don't think she did better than khorkina she had a couple wobbles and khorkina executed hers perfectly !!! Maybe Gina had a higher difficulty but she didn't execute her routine as well as svetlana!! Thumbs up if u agree to this
That's not Elfie commentating, it's Kathy Johnson. She won bronze on beam at the 1984 Olympics. I think she was putting it nicely that Gina Gogean was whoring out the code of points and doing the bare minimum to get a ten SV.
No one should EVER confuse the divine KJC and hired killjoy Elfi Schlegel. Smh
She was just doing what Romanians were known for: using the Code to their advantage... nothing too impressive nothing to risky in order to just hit... although it was a pretty big wobble at the beginning with an extra step and she is never up on her toes when she changes direction... definitely inflated score! Kui was robbed big time!
she is quite stable on the balance beam, but the wrong thing is the gold medal should being for kui yuan yuan, what the hell of these judges
How did this routine win over Kui Yuanyuan's?
Code of points back then . Kui had a way more difficult routine but they both were out if a ten start value .
I can see why she won(did she win?)Her execution is very very good, she hits splits on her leaps(i80 degrees or more, on both split and switch side leap), and the only error was a slight break after her mount. To the detractors, yes, Kui had more exciting skills, but too many breaks. The key is consistency.
Shes totally over scored. Her difficutly level is so low and boring compared to the other girls. This was the era 1996 to 2000 where Romanians was highly favored. Winning a notch higher to deserving other gymnast who had more difficutly. Im glad things changed already. Being safe and clean isnt ok anymore. But doing the difficutly and being unique is now in.
"this" is a routine out of 10.000 under the cop back then and was performed very clearly. do not blame gina. blame the code or the ones who made it up
Errr...how was THIS routine better than Kui Yuanyuan's?! Yuanyuan had so much more difficulty and acrobatic moves. She was sorta dancing around on the beam, other than her mount and her punch front, nothing else was of high difficulty. Puzzles the heck out of me. And apparently, this result is one of the biggest controversies in scoring in WAG lol.
what major element is lacking?
i’m struggling to figure out how this routine was in the finals. this might be worse than MLR’s 84 beam
The British commentator Christine Still noted that Gina commonly turned on flat feet not the toes or ball of the foot !!! she was quite right !
The funny thing is that in 1998 Khorkhina felt (same routine) and Kui was so close to follow Khorkhina`s mistake.
Gina Gogean is not one of my favorite gymnasts and though she hit her routine she doesn't deserve a gold on the beam. If the judges want to give her a medal because she is retiring soon after this World Championships and because of her reputation, she should have only gotten a bronze. (Heck even the president of the Federation of International Gymnastics at the time publicly chastise the judges for their judging during the event.)
They were "fuckin` insane" at Sydney, too ... Because Khorkhina felt on UB, they took Andreea Raduca`s gold medal!
So?
I do not remember what her score was but as a former Gymnast and Gymnastics coach I only found very few deductions on the mount yes 1 or 2 tenths but that is really all I seen I would have given this a 9.75 . There has been so many times were I think she got cheated out of the gold. any one agree? Just like Simona Amanar did...
Sveta, exaclty like it happened just exchanging the the 1st place for 3rd and viceversa
i guess this is why we have the code of points we do now..so that gymnasts like gina gogean don't win over gymnasts like kui yuan yuan.
What do you mean by this comment??? Sure I agree this routine by Gina was boring and dull but that does not mean the Romanians routines on beam are all dull and boring... I don't consider Silivas, Dobre, Comaneci, Potorac, Marinescu, Ponor and Porgras work on BB boring. Perhaps you just meant this quad of gymnasts (Gogean,Milo,Amanar) are boring on beam. But clearly, this is NOT a typical romanian beam routine because they are LEGENDS on beam.
@iaswnath
Disagree. If anyone deserved the gold it was Korkina who was much cleaner than Kui. Kui had a big skill but it wasn't clean.
Seriously, how could she even make to the final?
Code of points back then
As I remember, she got 9,800 for this exercise; and: yes, she won! Svetlana got silver.
She fulfilled all the requirements, plus all bonus to make it have a start value of a 10.0. She may not have had the flair, but she had what it took to score from a 10.0. I liked her routine.
It's boring and not in the least bit difficult. Why doesn't everyone just do the minimum to gain the system?
Kui was robbed. Ugh!
cool.
Even though this routine is very simple I love it, however there is no doubt kui yuan yuan should've won. Gina should've taken the bronze
I beg to differ that Khorkina was the true victim. She had no execution errors. Kui had at least 3.. That's something that was actually in her control at least.
Bravo....
Though I think Kui should have won and it's ridiculously obvious, I do like her under-the-beam work. Did she even do any aerials in this routine? All I saw were about a thousand jumps.
geese did she make beam finals in 96 in atlanta?
@lostlyrarose kathy johnson's commentating
she has a olympic bronze medal. On the beam.
You are right, except about the Flexibility. She had it; watch her switch leap-straddle jump combination.
Un furto con scasso questa medaglia d'oro. Andate a rivedere l'esercizio della cinese arrivata ingiustamente terza. Sto esercizio è da serie c. Altro che oro.
It's probably because people always want the pretty one to win it's human nature, although she should not have won the gold as it was not the best on the day. However that was the judges fault not Gogean's a fact most people who comment on beam video's seem to forget.
I laughed so hard, what a boring routine.
that said, there's only one free flip in the routine, aside from the dismount
I can't believe this routine won gold over Kui's... So unfair!