Very hot take: Who put the final nails into the coffin of the Republic; voluntarily or involuntarily? Only one name allowed: Was it Marius or Sulla? Caesar or Cato? Cassius with the conspiracy? - Or, was it even the Father of the Republic himself!?
Notice anyone who attemped to revert rome to a pre usery monoply by a few mobed up cabal ened up dead. Catline, Gracci brothers, Ceaser. Romans and Italians where having thier land seized and turned into large estates worked by slaves. Usury in the cities put a strangle hold on the republic, so bad that even one of Sullas killers pomme could not get his soldiers settled because the mob was diverting the governments land revenue to themselves. People frame tjis mob as elite and traditionslist butbthey where neither most of the resl old famlies where getting wiped out like the Julia family and it was a land revolution to create monster estates xrammed with slaves.
@@Badbentham final nail is easy, I say Cato, for putting Caesar in a no-win position. People who say Caesar I think are wrong. Caesar was left with no choice.
Caesar, Pompey, Crassus, Octavian, Cicero, Cato, etc. So many of the most great, or at least most influential statesmen to ever exist, who all happened to live at the same time, at the end of the Republic.
I agree but for me there was a continuous line of exceptional man, all the way back to the time of Camillus. Just think about all the great men that were killed in the second punic war alone
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Was Catiline really evil or was it a case of the victors writing history. Speaking of that I find it fascinating how current academics and journalists get so upset at that old saying, which may be telling.
No judegement on Salas, but if he thought ceaser was this one man army he was not 100% labienus deserves at least 50% of the credit for the conquest of Gaul.
Every general is only as good as their subordinates but Labienus is overrated. He shines in Africa and Spain but in Gaul when the revolt started he sat on his ass and let it get out of control. If Caesar was killed in Gaul it would have been because Labienus was unable to assess the situation and take immediate action.
1:08:05 I wonder why in movies and in pictures Senate working place is always circle-shape room, Because it is beautiful? Historically they gathered even in Senate house or in temple, which were both square-shaped
I suppose based on the modern designs. The paintings of this event portray it as happening in the Curia too. But this speech happened in the temple of Jupiter Stator (easier to defend from a riot)
u see history is written by the winners,mostly. Sulla exists,in historical text,80%bad&20%good, same for Cataline,yet results greatly differed. Over all,whatever one believes,both,with a few others,caused a downhill trainwreck from 50BC to1453AD(?). G.Davis sr,crabby,old veteran 24Sept'24
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I think conspiracy of Cicero makes more sense
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Very hot take: Who put the final nails into the coffin of the Republic; voluntarily or involuntarily? Only one name allowed: Was it Marius or Sulla? Caesar or Cato? Cassius with the conspiracy? - Or, was it even the Father of the Republic himself!?
Notice anyone who attemped to revert rome to a pre usery monoply by a few mobed up cabal ened up dead. Catline, Gracci brothers, Ceaser. Romans and Italians where having thier land seized and turned into large estates worked by slaves. Usury in the cities put a strangle hold on the republic, so bad that even one of Sullas killers pomme could not get his soldiers settled because the mob was diverting the governments land revenue to themselves. People frame tjis mob as elite and traditionslist butbthey where neither most of the resl old famlies where getting wiped out like the Julia family and it was a land revolution to create monster estates xrammed with slaves.
@@Badbentham final nail is easy, I say Cato, for putting Caesar in a no-win position. People who say Caesar I think are wrong. Caesar was left with no choice.
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Caesar, Pompey, Crassus, Octavian, Cicero, Cato, etc. So many of the most great, or at least most influential statesmen to ever exist, who all happened to live at the same time, at the end of the Republic.
I agree but for me there was a continuous line of exceptional man, all the way back to the time of Camillus. Just think about all the great men that were killed in the second punic war alone
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The fact that Cicero got done in later because of it tell a tale. Maybe not to full clarity... but still a tale.
It was very controversial, made him some permanent enemies.
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Was Catiline really evil or was it a case of the victors writing history. Speaking of that I find it fascinating how current academics and journalists get so upset at that old saying, which may be telling.
I think your answer will depend on what you think of Caesar - was Caesar that different, or was he just much better at playing the game?
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No judegement on Salas, but if he thought ceaser was this one man army he was not 100% labienus deserves at least 50% of the credit for the conquest of Gaul.
Every general is only as good as their subordinates but Labienus is overrated. He shines in Africa and Spain but in Gaul when the revolt started he sat on his ass and let it get out of control. If Caesar was killed in Gaul it would have been because Labienus was unable to assess the situation and take immediate action.
Agreed
Cicero, Catiline and Pompey served together in the social war under Pompey's father Strabo
1:08:05 I wonder why in movies and in pictures Senate working place is always circle-shape room, Because it is beautiful? Historically they gathered even in Senate house or in temple, which were both square-shaped
I suppose based on the modern designs. The paintings of this event portray it as happening in the Curia too. But this speech happened in the temple of Jupiter Stator (easier to defend from a riot)
God forbid the debts could be written off, we can’t have that in our Great Republic
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there is no Sallust's War. He was most known
for his writings,charges against him that were
dropped&some expensive gardening
24Sept'24
u see history is written by the winners,mostly.
Sulla exists,in historical text,80%bad&20%good,
same for Cataline,yet results greatly differed.
Over all,whatever one believes,both,with a few
others,caused a downhill trainwreck from 50BC
to1453AD(?). G.Davis sr,crabby,old veteran
24Sept'24
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Catiline did nothing wrong
Did he just become the scapegoat for the collective ego's.
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Toxic Masculinity 😂
At its finest
My firm belief is both sides,in every era,were
wrong. passive or dictatorial,individual or
senate,sucked. G.Davis sr
Nah bro.Get to it