players' reactions to TURRET INCIDENT on Twitter and interview | FPX vs XSET at CHAMPIONS
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riot should make the turret just stay lookin at the last place of enemy saw instead of resetting the turret if nobody was there
It's a negative for the enemy team though. It could convey false information on the cone/range of turret because if it stays on an angle another player could make a mistake of the cone being a few degrees off when in fact he was actually in range of it. Imo a better solution would be to not overlap the turret's commands so in the case with the match the turret should only face back to its default direction once the 3 round burst is finished regardless of whether they just jiggled it or actually swung the angle.
@@7arooofps I dunno what you're saying but they should definitely fix it regardless
@@kupopuffs420 He means since turret can only see in front of it .... if it stays in the last seen location of enemy the next time opponent comes across the turret he might think he's behind it and wont be seen... but since the original position where it was looking was not reset.. he might actually still be in field of vision and get hit...
it's totaly riot's fault , that bug has been in game for ages , it might be a little not fair for xset the way they lost , but replaying the round is definetly not the best solution .
I think it was the observer cam focusing on the turret at that very moment made riot rethink cus they probably didn't want to deal with backlash afterwards so they just redid the round. They also probably have some protocol for these types of situations. Anyway I believe deph would have been watching heaven regardless of the turret and that is why XSET didn't ask for any redo.
@@psyclone1349 Agreed. Either way, riot will still receive a backlash
@@psyclone1349 The observer said that the riot admin has access to all POV and comms. But the observer cam was just to show context to the broadcast
Did they replayed the round.??
@@AbdullahKhan-qi6xz yep after 2 hours , it was like 3 am there , and they brought the playyers back , Xset won the round went OT and almost led to a disaster for riot , luckily Zyppan went insane and FPX won again 16-14
Riot take ages to fix minor bugs and implement basic features but manage to release 2 skin bundles per month. Valorant is just a platform to sell skins at this point.
It’s a cash grab my friend. I remember when people were saying “riot actually cares about the game.” Sure they care about the game, they care how much money they get from all the people who have the need to buy every bundle lol.
At least someone gets it.
@@larry2281 Atleast they do care about it more than other companies do... its just that the standard is so low these days that riot standout for doing just the bare minimum
dude you must have confused it with Valve honestly XDDDDDDDDDDD
The team at riot that fixes bugs is a different team that designs the skin bundles, one does not have an impact on how fast the other works. Skin team is 100% focused on skins while the bug team might be a general development team too with many other tasks to do. Very likely they could also be lazy too but I think mentioning the skin thing doesn’t mean anything
If this is the precedent that Riot sets, they need to record all 10 POV's + global camera and replay any time there is a bug. It is very lucky that the global camera happened to catch this turret bug. I don't care who wins XSET or FPX but for CONSISTENCY they need to do that.
Idk what happens to the turret sometimes, but from time to time it just ignores enemies that walk basically in front of it :D
damn hope fpx can get their mentality fixed bcz every player on xset is as chill antarctica and they didnt even say anything abt the bug.
fpx acting like bullies from a teen movie
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they didnt know that ebfore making those tweets. riot shouldve clarified
@@tardwrangler1019 doesn’t matter, it’s unprofessional and honestly just fucking stupid.
I was rooting for FPX until those tweets, now I hope anyone else wins.
@@5000Seabass Nah I get their frustration. Imagine if they lost
@@tardwrangler1019 Xset had already lost the game in the highest pressure moment of the game to a fucking glitch that told the whole team someone was heaven.
It sucks for FPX they had to replay due to something out of their control. But imagine how fucking soul crushing Xset’s original loss was. Especially because I’m pretty sure they didn’t even know the glitch had happened, I think it was all Riot.
It was unfair for both teams, and FPX proved themselves the higher skilled team. And sadly, also proved themselves to be absolute man children (gamer stereotypes aside).
Not rooting for them anymore.
that kind of turret behaviour is so common, has happened to me before, pretty sure has happened to others before too. idk why riot hasn't fixed it yet because there is no way they don't know about it right...?
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Men if Xset have won that OT it will going to be a chaos for sure.
Bug is riot's fault it's regular in ranked not fpx's fault
Yeah, but it isn’t Xset’s fault either. Misinformation from the game (not teammates) is a disaster at this level of play.
Even if FPX would have won with the turret functioning correctly, the round would have played out in a completely different way.
Nobody said it was FPX's fault, that's why they didn't get a penalty. If they abused an exploit, the round would most likely either be given to XSET automatically and play from 12-12, or the map and therefore match are forfeit by FPX for cheating. Notice how none of that happened. A replay is exactly what you are supposed to do in a situation when there is a clear unfair advantage that isn't supposed to exist and isn't the fault of either team, since traveling back in time and fixing the bug before it could happen isn't exactly an option.
@@Keijo_ if this round should be replayed, then that’s a very hypocritical thing to say. Because then we can name tens of rounds that should have been rematched. Im not even an fpx fan or anything but it’s not fair that they need to replay and others don’t. Either way I think xset got quite lucky with the wins against fpx. Even if they replay a game or 11-12 fpx still gonna take it imo. But we shall see.
answer to this is simple just fucking replay the round immediately not after two hours. If you cant make an immediate decision its not worth changing the outcome. The way they did it made it a lose lose for all involved and both responses are valid from both teams
its absollute Riot's fault
Let's say it's killjoy's fault I don't wanna get canceled
Valorant embraces the cancel culture community. Watch out
The turret is so bugged. Sometimes you can literally walk past it if its not looking at you. Or it can insta flick on you. They need to fucking fix that shit.
this frequently happens whenever i play kj aswell
How is no one talking about how toxic fpx were in their tweets if it was the other way around and fpx lost to a bug and and Xset was toxic like that the world would have gone into chaos like wth yes fpx still won in the end but no need to be toxic like that
valorant is NA game that means people would trashtalk FPX even if they were in XSETs place
' if it was the other way around and fpx lost to a bug and and Xset was toxic like that the world would have gone into chaos' the world is going into chaos? literally everyone is slating fpx for being 'toxic' but its not fpx's fault? how did they know that it was riots decision not xsets? literally the day before xset cried and complained that optic had cheated so its natural for them to assume xset just complained again
Man a turret cannot lose u the whole game? And now even a single round.. It's not like that if the turret would not have a bug they would have won at last if was just aim duels which they lost and made excuses for that.. And fpx being toxic is legit as they even won the round they had to take pressure to win it till more 4 rounds
All info of fpx was they need to replay the round and they simply assume its because xset pleaded riot. That's why in their minds xset is a sore loser
I just wonder what ardis wants to say that would cancel his career
I've died from like 134 dmg, having 100hp + 50 shield
Everyone understands high emotions and how would you feel if you thought you won but had to replay the round. But that’s the worst excuse for these guys to have a bad sportsman like attitude and to publicize it on twitter.
What happened was unfair to both teams and Riot needs to be held accountable.
Same thing happened in a ranked when the turret shot somewhere else
This literally happened to me in a game moments after I saw this and watched the remake. We were playing fracture, KJ's turret was on top of generator, and I was splitting through arcade, I jiggled, the turret shot, but it actually shot towards towers site entrance.
This "bug" has been in the game ever since KJ released, and even low rankers like immortals that play KJ are aware that this can happen, so Id say it's more of a feature then a bug. I can assure you XSET knew it was possible that the turret missfired the angle, but they were just hedging their bets.
"German Efficiency"
Probably fpx was just frustrated coz it was a close match and maybe they were thinking they could have lost too.
Who won at the end? fpx or xset?
fpx
Why did riot didn’t notice the bug. If they notice a bug just start the round again.
this could be the better solution. repeat the round immediately
@@georgietorrance yea no in FUCKING 3AM i mean i finish a game at 00:00 but to start again at 2 AM is just bullshit they could just wait until tomorrow
Can I get to replay my ranked games where my turret does the same thing
Idk if ur gold games can compare to pro games
Just fix killjoy already. I feel like KJ's only strong/ unique skill is the turret and yet it's the one that bugs out everytime
If fpx play xset ever again istg all their players are gonna tweet "here we go again 🙃"
Dude slow down how I'm gonna read the tweets if you move them at lightspeed.
pause the video?
which drama is more controversial the xset turret or the vivo keyd exploit
Probably vivo keyd exploit
VK, they are using a already known exploit while XSET is a normal bug but i can see why it was restarted
Vivo Keyd chose to use an exploit to win, and then tried to justify it, which they failed to do because it was unjustifiable. XSET on the other hand were at a disadvantage (wouldn’t say lost) because of a bug which they couldn’t do anything about. I would say the latter should be more controversial. The first one was just players trying to win by cheating, which does happen more than you think, the second one was the game makers themselves ruining the whole thing by, firstly not fixing a bug, and secondly by replaying a round, which maybe should have been replayed in a perfect world, but since there are so many bugs in Valorant, this sets the precedent for many other rounds to be replayed as many have pointed out already.
I absolutely hate what fpx did in twitter after, I understand that it was a bug, not your mistake, its frustrating, there are a lot of many bugs that could've been replayed. but, why do u attack xset like that? y'all have a big platform and audience and the way you shit talking them is just gonna encourage your fans to do so. im not a fan to xset nor fpx but this not the way to handle things. its riots mistake and y'all should've known better. also, riot should make a statement that xset did not request the replay of that round. I can't imagine the amount of hate xset are receiving rn let alone their loss. you won, move along and do better.
you must put "Beta" on your game like Dota do
You remember ti3 when navi abused pudge Chen combo
I love ardiis' comment. You can feel his frustration but he chose to be practical first rather than getting canceled. 🤣
The problem is he probably bitched so much that his teammates thought it was okay to be toxic too lol now they’re getting backlash
imagine if you were fuckin drunk after winning a match and they call you to replay a match haha
We love cancel culture woooooooo
Yeah well his team’s tweets lost them a lot of fans so wooo
@@5000Seabass doubt that lol. fpx was never the favourited team in EU anyway. people are just soft.
those tweets from FPX went too arrogant lol
just glad they won the right way not by a bug.
dont want to know how many football teams lost due to wrongly called offside. happens
The wrong call being the bug or the replay decision?
fpx be like: man the first time was so nice, I had to do it twice
People that say fair are just dumb. It has only upside for XSET to replay the map. They can look at some plays from FPX before going back on stage, they are the ones who can win in the end. FPX has all the pressure on them for a bug that they can´t even abuse or controll. I would understand to replay it if it was a ability bug used by FPX but XSET placed the turret at this position , when the bug was known
When is the replay round happening?
@@Sam-re8od already did. FPX won
Riot's fault but a fair decision. I'm glad they got to replay that
That wasn’t fair what if fpx loosed in ot? There was no fair solution it was a lose lose but now it seems fair cause fpx won
How was that fair lmao
Perhaps it’s better to say that it was the “most fair” way of solving the issue. If nothing was done, there would always be a “what if” question that looms over this result. It was a very close series and could have gone either way. What would you suggest is the best way to remedy this situation?
You could say that because the outcome is fpx still won. The fact that the bug exists throughout the event, replay due to particular round is just a lose lose situation.
not fair at all
Still an unfair match. Xset was just talking about the importance of momentum in Valorant and they lost all of theirs in the last round of their last chance on the stage this year because of a glitch.
despite getting unfair replay round,na fans are crying.what a shame
@@sickboy4692 FPX members even talk about why it was an unfair match in their statements here? They had walked away from the game, the match was over. They shouldn't have had to return to it.
@@ToomanyFrancis you slow in the head? XSET got another bail out after losing and then lost again. It’s unfair for XSET in what way? Because it’s totally unfair for fpx for having to beat those clowns twice
@@exotiicz5100 pretty sure that guy is talking bad about XSET not FPX
It's unfair to all of the players, but if you look at how the game was going Xset had momentum over FPX, if they won the round they would've won the game.
imagine if Xset won. It would be a shit storm
Fr 💀
If not, the bug is could be used against fpx as well, as it was giving false info for fpx
?? It gave xset false info since it made dephh hold heaven and not trade but yes riot fault
???
@@shakram2774 he said ”it couldve given fpx false info” how could it give them false info
@@JoY-cq4ll I don't know bro💀
That's why I asked him much like you did in the comment before.
Have you ever played valorant?
I mean, I dont see how the "bug" affected dephh in any way. Im gonna break it down for you to understand. Feel free to expand and agree or disagree with me. We´re discussing the technical side here, not the rules, or how they´re enforced. - TLDR at the bottom -
If you look closely, just right after the turret CORRECTLY activates from Ange1 peek (turret has 180 degrees of sight/rotation), a few things happen.
1. Turret makes an activation sound as it sees Ange1.
This is intended. Also, this is the most critical part of the whole interaction, which im basing my claim on.
Right after turret makes the sound, dephh turns around to look towards heaven. His instict (from the position of the turret, facing heaven) alerted him that there was someone heaven,
you can pause frame by frame or .25x video speed so that you hear the sound cue, and his reaction to it. This is completely his fault, everything worked as intended here.
2. Turret enters shooting mode, which does a few things to the turret.
First, turret turns to the left to face Ange1. There are a couple frames there showing dephh looking at heaven, while the turret is facing garden door.
Right after, turret "crouches" to fire (notice the legs). In this animation, there is no shooting. This is a way of adding "lag" to the turret so it doesnt inmediately shoot. Intended, and good game
design.
3. Ange1 goes out of sight, making the turret face its original position.
Now, while turret is on fire mode (notice the legs), the turret has almost no lag before shooting.
4. WHILE turret is in the animation of turning to its original position, Ange1 peeks again, making the turret appear to "shoot" forward. This is intended behavior, but bad game design. Turret should NEVER shoot unless a couple of conditions are met. First, a reset animation to the original position, and second, the animation of it turning towards the enemy that will be shot.
5. The turret turns towards Ange1, actually shoots him, and then goes completely babanas and does spaghetti code stuff.
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So, to recap. I wouldn´t call it a bug, its just that KJ turret does a lot of random things, which are obviously bad game design. As a main KJ palyer, Riot please fix, or at least give turret some consistency.
But EVEN if you would like to call it a bug, I don´t think that it had any negative effect for XSET, and dephh in particular.
Up until the point 4 of the analysis, everything was working as intended. dephh TURNED AROUND ON POINT 1 OF THE ANALYSIS, when the SOUND CUE happened, which is normal and intended behavior.
You could argue that dephh based his reaction on a VISUAL CUE, as the turret shot towards heaven. Okay, then why didn´t he see the turret FACE garden doors just right after activating? He literally faced heaven as turret was looking at doors. Hell, he even SAW the turret face garden door while he was flicking towards heaven.
Yes, it´s such an unfortunate thing to happen, yes, it looked strange on the stream (unlucky observer position), yes the turret should be coded again, BUT, after watching dephh face heaven right after turret made a sound, whilst turret was facing door, he´s the one to blame here, even more than the wonky turret.
TLDR: dephh didn´t turn around towards haven because he SAW the turret "shoot" heaven (wonky interaction). He turned around when he HEARD the turret properly activate at Ange1 peek (normal interaction).
Edit: I dont think Riot made such an analysis when they looked at it. Riot probably thought: Well the turret went absolutely crazy, and now it seems like dephh got distracted by a bug, lets replay it.
The turret would have continued to shoot at Ange1’s direction whether or not he was there. It turned, still shooting, toward heaven.
You obviously don’t play at a high level or you would understand that the chance that someone was heaven after your team thought they’d cleared and had a good sense on the round timing completely throws off your site setup. Instead of two entrances, the entire team had to take account of three different directions.
Bad teammate callouts are one thing, game misinformation is a disaster. It was unfair for FPX to have to replay? It was unfair for Xset to get hit by a bug at the highest pressure moment of the game, arguably losing the round for them.
@@5000Seabass Uh, your first take is completely false. If you go out of sight from a turret, and lose aggro, the turret resets to the original position.
Even if it did act wonky, dephh turned around when the turret MADE A SOUND while it faced garden door, and that's unexcusable by any turret bugs. Look at the video, the proof is right there.
Im diamond, so I have enough gamesense to understand that, had he reacted to the turret facing heaven (WHICH HE DIDNT), then you'd be right, and dephh wouldn't be at fault 100%.
Again, this is not the case. HE reacted to the turret sound, not to the turret shooting at heaven.
You literally missed my point.
Edit: to clarify, dephh didn't even think about the possibility that the turret could reach doors from the angle it had. Watch the video in slow mo and you will understand it.
FPX attacking XSET like they asked for the replay. If riot messes up I don’t think it’s fair to come at the players. Sore winners.
HAHA RIP BOZOS 💀 🪦 🪦🪦🪦🪦
Stuffs happend in the hit of the moment i assume. Imagine you just won and outta no where for some bug you gotta replay again..
they assumed they did ask for it and had high emotions, calm down bro
@@joshai7557 It was also really late in the morning around 2-3AM in turkey.
Fpx didnt know that they didnt ask for the remake at the time and never said shit about Xset. legit specifically targeted riot in his statement
@@rowandavis6672 so when suygetsu said "not demons, just losers", i suppose that was also about riot. Watch the video again and then reply, ok
That Zyppan tweet tho.. this really look bad on Xset
Whatever Xset got sent to airport anyway,we won't see them again
@@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 Don't worry FPX will soon get eliminated lmfaoo. Your best team struggling with our 2nd best. Goodluck against Optic. That's even if you manage to beat drx
@@anjie4197 yeah like fpx didnt DESTROY optic in copenhagen ...
@@anjie4197 Bro your 2nd best team had to replay the game to even have a chance against FPX and still didn't reach it, drop your ego a bit.
u mean fpx?
1- ese bug de la torreta es ya desde hace mucho.
2- el kayo mira haven antes de la torreta
3- la torreta no mata a ningún jugador
4- la torreta no afecta el firepower de ningún jugador
It's totally not fair. They lost because of the bug
??? they replayed the round and xset lost again in overtime.
They got a second chance to win and lost again,
What's your excuse now?
@@nilavsaikiaofficial Lol. as if stealing a game they've "already won" won't affect them mentally. If your truly doing "general psychological analysis of the situation", try to look at both sides first.
@@nilavsaikiaofficial wdym they got a second chance for an opportunity they lost and they won the replay round bringing it to overtime. Xset had only things to gain whereas fpx has everything to lose they displayed the real mental strength.
@@nilavsaikiaofficial There is no way that your general psychological analysis is right, right? The loser gets a second chance. They are the ones who are most excited about doing the replay. The winner is the most angry because their win was taken away, and now they are forced to play again, and no one can tell what is going to happen.
Bruh the turret would make zero diference stop crying...
ange1 was savage in and out of the game 🤣
ahahah zyppan what a savage
Damn FPX so toxic lmao
xset wins in my book
It’s Riot’s fault but either way I don’t see how it would have changed anything. The Turent was destroyed almost instantly. I don’t think it affected the outcome.
Fpx players are so toxic, what??
Esports ready🤡 this game overrated af
Bro it's a bug u had to replay and you still won why is fpx mad and this cocky damn..
A) bugs happen all the time and rounds are never replayed B) that wasnt even a real bug, it shot door then returned to its normal position
@@v_cpt-phasma_v689 a) the turret shot haven b) so 2 people were holding haven c) if 3 were holdin garden against 2 people no way xset loose that d) you didn't watch the match , let alone the clip
A) no one else other than deph was holding haven.B)deph would've hold heaven even if the turret didn't react. C) both ayrin and zekken are holding tree. So, it's common knowledge for someone to hold heaven, like wtf is that excuse? D) fpx didn't know it was riots decision until xset said it. E) fpx just assumed it was xset who made this decision, since they are known as crybabies, who creid in the optic match.
Also, I love how u just assumed that xset knew where the other 2 fpx players would be.
@@aaronrajadurai1167 go back to silver where u think all 3 people will hold tree in a 3v2 xd
riot's just biased towards NA
People crying about FPXs mentality, the odds are against them, it's literally 2-3AM in the morning. You replay the rounds you've already won. XSET gets a chance again. And FPX has to play because they won.
Bro kj turret is diagonal to the left. It is normal reaction of turret. Blamin turret when they had fault that fk themself lol.
Let me explain this basic thing to you : when kj turret spots an enemy, it shoots in their direction. With this bug, the turret spots and enemy then shoots in another direction, giving false info to the team. In this match, the turret shot heaven, that's why 2 players were looking heaven while the enemies pushed from door. You can either get glasses or a new brain. You choose.
@@AsmaHt lol wow what a smartest brain u have. Have u actually play againts kj turret like that situation? It is pretty daily thing that happen in a game. And u full trust to just 1 shoot turret default that means nothing? What a pro n smartest brain u have that u already know u cant trust 1 shoot turret default like that. Besides they already knew someone in from door n ayrin was tryin to fight himself and lose. All of it was fair fight.
you know more than riot themselves nice bro you must work for them?
@@AsmaHt no, youre wrong. kj turret shoots in aburst of 3 and when it stops finding people it shoots straight in the placed direction
the crazy thing is the 'bug' actually worked in xsets favour, the turret it staring heaven yet 180'd to shoot door, thats the fucking bug not the fact it turned back to heaven, FPX got a bug against them and still won, then had to replay it because riot is braindead
Watch the vid the bug is not in xsets favor. One xset player immediately hold the heaven because the turret is falsely triggered.
Tell me you're Bronze without telling me you're Bronze
The turret shooting at the door was not the bug, that's by design? the bug was the fact that it shot back to heaven as if someone was there?
@@bbrriixxiiee they would have been holding heaven anyway, it changed nothing, however the turret shooting at door gave away fpx's position as the turret should not be able to see them which is why it didnt continue shooting them.
@@issame37 dont talk until you get out of iron kiddo.
@@v_cpt-phasma_v689 look at their position before the turret shot Heaven. 1 under 1 behind Generator 1 main which means the turret will always take first contact so they didn't have to worry about Heaven until the turret shot Heaven which made them think 1 person is 100% for sure there. If you don't understand that concept then you're hopeless.
I am not buying Xset's excuse at all.... I am sure they started to complain and ramble to Riot demanding a rematch
They didn't though. People were already talking about it minutes after the game ended. Asuna noticed the bug during the round on stream.
This is why Riot needs to release an official statement. Either teams getting undeserved hate. If anyone is to be blame, it should and only be Riot.
@@ToomanyFrancis i was watching masayoshi and he also noticed on stream if the observer wasnt freecamming where he was they wouldve never replayed it bc it wouldnt have been as noticed
Come on! Xset pretended that they didn’t want to replay the last round, if it was only a riot decision and Xset disagreed, they could let fpx win the last round and not try to rob them. Totally hypocrites.
Btw if the same bug happened in r3 nobody would have said a word.
They are victims kekw
if the bug happened to anyone and riot told them to replay the last round they wouldve taken it without hesitation
no they didn’t bruh cryo said on stream he did want to replay it
Obviously they would want another chance in the tournament, that’s not what they were saying. They said they did not ask riot for a second chance.