Given that he has footage of “the kiss”, (and likely everything else happening, more or less) I would guess he knew exactly when she would arrive back at the house and wasn’t standing the entire time. But, MY GOD, is that a hilarious thing to picture him doing. And a sassy entrance for sure, no matter what it took to get it.
That’s nothing; how bout Plutarch Running Quickly to the helicopter saying “oh shit, oh shit, oh shit; don’t check the room don’t check the room.” I mean did he have an inpromptu helicopter next to Snow Big Screen TV?
And while itsn9t shown in the movie, haymitch and peeta quietly keeping appearances at katniss' home with peacekeepers looking at, while in theyre thinking "where is SHE?!"
There are few people on screen that can radiate “dictator energy.” Snow isn’t a man who gives many outright threats, but every scene you can feel his power and influence over people
@@laurahuynh8333the casting in the hunger games is near perfection with all the characters, but Donald Sutherland as president Snow was beyond perfection, it's like the character was purposely written for him and him alone.
Nobody talks about how REAL primm was in this scene! Before Katniss accidentally ratted herself out about where she really was before coming home she interrupted her and said “We have visitors!”
@@abastillasd0137especially when the first love like made your life go full Rollercoaster like Snow went from poor boy to a killer to a hero to a winner to a soldier to a hermit with Lucy gray in forest to whole berserk anger to back to capital
@@GigiM_winx But you'll often notice that whenever he does something, he only does it if it benefits him. He loved her, but she was also a loose end for him. He even lied about who he killed when Lucy emphasized how TRUST is important to her more than anything else. He even snitched on his best friend. Everything he did was to gain power in the capital. He loved Lucy, but his desire for power was stronger than his love for her.
Snow is the perfect example of a lawful evil villain. He's capable of truly horrific things and has committed them but he has his own moral code and can be reasoned with.
Yes! A true leader who can create allies from his enemies and truces, etc. Not ruling from fear but using deals, and you put it so well, can be reasoned and negotiated with!
@@mahatmarfigo lol, Snow is a complex villian, but it's bc he uses both negotiation (rather than only using force) and because he thinks he is doing something for the greater good
I don't know about moral code, he just does whatever is in his best interest. The evil way is not always the more beneficial, leaders that everybody hates tend to not last long.
people always look at me crazy when i say snow is my favourite character from the hunger games. but man, he is truly one of the most well written villains of all time. he truly never did lie to her once, keeping his promise even throughout the entire war and revolution. that’s some next level 3D chess.
It was him that made Donald Sutherland one of my absolute favorite actors. The man has a presence as commanding as Charles Dance and Christopher Lee, that kind of regal elegance, aged wisdom and of course, unspoken lethality.
@danurkresnamurti3598 reading the book you learn why Snow is the way that he is. It's mentioned more than once I think in all the books its about survival. He did what he had to do.
His anger at her denying indifference towards Peeta makes sense now, he probably decided Lucy Gray felt no real care for him, his tone was calm until that one moment, he was more upset at her lying about loving a boy than her calling the capital fragile..that man hurt hurt😩
@@cazyjohn2005 Consider he and Gaul deleted all but the master tapes of the Games and then after Katniss defies him and reminds him of Lucy Gray he goes completely over the top and firebombs all of District 12. Man is in PAIN and I bet Gaul encouraged it. He wants to delete everything of her but she's in his head forever.
Because to him because he is Capitol and is a Snow, it's worse that the girl he fell in love with may have lied to him than it was that he was genuinely considering killing the girl he fell in love with. It's not that he's incapable of love, then or now. It's that he will always put himself and the Capitol ahead of those he loves because he considers himself to be all that is keeping order in Panem. That's part of the possessive, controlling way that he loves. They're HIS to keep, to love, and to kill if he sees fit.
Snow is absolutely terrifying, not just cause he's a power hungry dictator, but hecause he's a cunning, intelligent power hungry dictator. He doesn't delude himself about what he is but also isn't even remotely ready to give anything up.
What makes him terrifying is that he can go to the minds of ordinary people, put himself in their shoes and know how they feel He knows the value of hope The value of love The value of fear. He knows how defiant people Would fight to the death to have freedom He knows what motivates Katniss, what she fears, what she hopes, what she loves He knows the good and bad of people, and exploits it Most villians would be numb to such perspective, and simply cause pain for the heck of it, and wouldn’t understand why weak people defy them when it’s hopeless Snow knows, he knows in the right circumstances, weak people can triumph, the strong can be overthrown, and it motivates him to exploit it all to keep himself in power His one weakness is his hatred to Katniss. How it clouds and motivates him to fall in the machinations of Plutarch and Coin, and cause his own destruction by acting the tyrant they wanted him to be But before his fall, he uses his understanding of people to his advantage, to make them suffer, to exploit them, all to keep himself in power And that’s what’s terrifying, a villian who understands how ordinary people and heroes think and use it as weapons against them
As a boy he starved watched war tear apart the capital and his house the name snow was all he had burned family memory's and anything worth anything to survive to stay warm if a few children killing eachother from the districts in an arena can provent any capital child from going threw what he did so be it at least he is not wastefully
Even without reading the prequel, you can hear how triggered Snow is when he says "DON"T LIE!". After all those years, what happened with Lucy Gray still stings. In that instant, Coriolanus heard Katniss say she wasn't indifferent to Peeta and it all came pouring back.
@@cazyjohn2005 Yeah. He went to rekindle his memories as well. Also, he's probably a widower too now so now he can probably reminisce about Lucy Gray again without feeling guilty about it. Haha.
I love Snow’s reaction to Katniss calling the system fragile. Just flat out admits it is. Cuz at that point, besides the “berries”, Katniss’s defiant words are just that, words. And he nor the system are afraid of words. What he is afraid of is action, which he preemptively attempts to discourage by threatening “hypothetical” action of his own. Would be fun to imagine this same conversation but with a more seasoned Katniss from the final books/films. You can be absolutely sure she most definitely would not have sat down at his command, especially not in her own house.
The only thing Snow cares about is stability, Katniss speaking her mind to him alone doesn’t threaten that. He can’t allow her to publicly insult him or the system he tries to uphold, because that could lead to rebellion, but when he’s alone with her he’s fine with her disrespect because it won’t actually impact anything. It’s also why he’s willing to admit the capitals shortcomings in their private conversations, he doesn’t care what she thinks or knows, he just cares about the impact she has on the public.
I felt like he was deflecting what Katniss implied. Snow insists that *his* system is quite stable, and in fact it is the districts whose fragility would be demonstrated to uphold that stability. Snow believes he has two viable pathways to maintain stability: through the optics of re-framing Katniss' actions as "love" or by demonstrating the price of defiance through wide-scale bloodshed. He would prefer the former as mass killings are costly and impact economic productivity. Either way he feels secure with his system of control, or if nothing else wants Katniss to buy this narrative. The last thing he wants to do is project insecurity or weakness to a perceived instigator.
She was young and inexperienced and can fall to threats and blackmail but if she was a adult she would stand her ground and be more careful around snow and knowing he would do anything in his power to have tight grip on her
That’s what makes him dangerous He knows how Katniss and others feel, and uses them as weapons agsinst them. It’s not that he has no empathy, he uses it as a cruel weapon against others for his own benefit
@@christophersanchez7731 I would add to that by saying that Snow doesn't seem to always view others as inferiors to himself. He's pragmatic enough to recognize both talent and skill in others and I daresay that he even admires those who he knows are threats to his power. I actually think he enjoys toying with the idea of having an equal, someone who he can truly "play" with in a political arena and is emotionally and mentally capable of appreciating that contest. Power is a Game that never ends, not even in death.
@@samuelvine According to Donald Sutherland, Snow does has a degree of respect for Katniss due to her defiance to his regime in the 74th Hunger Games and sharing the cynicism he has of the system he runs.
Seeing this after watching ballad of songbirds and snakes, it makes much more sense why snow was the way he was. You can tell he’s very cautious about everything because of what happened in his past, especially to katniss.
I gotta admit after just seeing the new hunger games movie it has me curious about the ending did Lucy manipulate snow or did she just find out what he did to his friend and leave him?
@@joeosborn2771 Snow accidentally let it slip that he killed three people because he was agreeing with Lucy Gray when she said she didn’t want to have to kill anyone else after the Hunger Games. She only knew that he killed two people because he told her but he didn’t tell her about the third. So once she realized who the third person it was he killed, she knew that he would kill her because she’s the only other person besides Spruce who knew that he killed Mayfair. So she made a plan to leave Snow, which is why she set the trap with the snake to give her enough time to flee.
“I don’t want to kill you. I want us to be friends. But if not friends then allies.” This hits harder when you realize that Snow views the world as a Massive Hunger Games where he’s the ultimate Tribute.
Katniss reminded him of Lucy Gray Baird. That's why he respected her and never lied to her once. Just watched The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Snow use to be a good man, it was circumstances that made him the way he was. He is a truly unique villain.
@@kevinmclaughlin2594 both are true. Like everyone, Snow is a product of his circumstances, but he himself made the choice to take to the influences of the wrong people. Yes, he's a very well crafted and multi-layered villain, and he's acting in a way that's consistent with his own view of the world, which makes him a very good character. But he still made the choice to become what he is today willingly and knowingly.
I realised Snow didnt just shout "dont lie!" To katniss not just to intimidate her, he was doing that anyways. But to see a district 12 girl victor discard her lover cause the games were over and she didnt need him and to lie to him about truely loving him and breaking his trust, everything reminded him of Lucy Gray immediately.
I do love the little smile Snow gives when Katniss asks why he doesn't just kill her now. Like he's thinking: "Oh I would love to do that, don't get me wrong, but that's not my way of doing things", so sadistic and yet calculated.
You can tell Snow is furious but yet has so much self-control. What I also love is his commanding nature, how he invades Katniss’ home and sits at the front of the table like he’s interviewing her. You can really tell he wants to hurt Katniss and her family but he won’t do it, because there is no point to it, because he only acts on his cruel intentions if there is a purpose for it, if only it affects his rules and if it goes against anything he doesn’t like or sees fit. It’s why he had Crane kill himself because he allowed the rules to be changed, it’s why he had Cinna murdered because he designed a different dress that Snow saw as an act of defiance and rebellion. This how a villain should be written
@@robertomingo9822There was no hiding in his case - his axe bouncing off the forcefield was obviously deliberate and undermined the Capitol”s authority.
@robertomingo9822 I think to some extent, he admires katniss. And killing her would serve less value instead he wants her to keep performing for the cameras, convince the districts she did not act out of defiance, be forced to mentor countless more tributes in the coming years. This would prolong her suffering.
Snow was the epitome of the dictator. He was intimidating, cunning, dangerously intelligent, and nobody’s fool. He had an intense gravitas that both drew you towards him in fascination and pushed you away in fear. It’s easy to see in his various appearances how he was able to hold on to power for as long as he did. Donald Sutherland portrayed him magnificently.
I like how he plays ball with her first quipy response with the berries but the second time she tries he’s serious by addressing the consequences of war or even a culling.
@@boobo ????????????? maybe cuz 23 people from the age of 12 to 18 die each year, 12 districts are in constant terror and he literally bombed district 13 and in the 2nd movie district 12 too????? Also in the 3rd movie a whole building full of injured people. how tf do you think he's not evil??
@@nobblkpraetorian5623 actually he only got married to his wife because he disliked her so he could never be manipulated by her, like he was by lucy gray. So homeboy did get rejected and definetly didn't want his wife like THAT iykwim
That's an over simplification of his character. He had no intention of staying with Lucy after he realised he could just go back to the capitol and have the life he wanted. His ambition was worth more to him than Lucy gray. He's not bitter that she rejected him lmfao because he was the one who rejected her first. She was always a ticket to success for him, nothing more. He's bitter because he feels he fooled himself into believing he was in love. When in reality he was pretty indifferent to Lucy. He believes katniss is the same as him, in the sense that she's indifferent to peeta and is just using him to survive.
After reading and watching the prequel, then coming back to this, this scene shows how much Lucy Grey just broke Snow. He hates Katniss because all he sees in her is Lucy, and it hurts him to the core. Edit: After watching again, I realized (becides welcoming tributes to the games and blah blah). This is the ONLY scene where Snow raises his voice. Katniss lied to him, and that "DON'T LIE" came out because Katniss touched a nerve because she reminded him of how Lucy lied to him. Snow is evil, but he is very calm and articulated.
nah... lucy gray was a mistake. adding her into the story brought a romantic tendency to the dynamic between snow and katniss. their dynamic is much better without lucy factoring into anything. suzanne fucked up by writing that book because it cheapened the entire story
@@strugglingfemmeit didn't feed into anything romantic. in fact, it fed into his paranoia and his tight trust in people i.e he doesn't trust anyone but himself. katniss reflects Sejanus more than lucy (passed on songs aside), PEETA reflects lucy in charisma and show play. snow is a narcissist, the line in the book "goodbye lucy gray, we hardly knew you" reflects that in his paranoia and bubble of trust, he was so sure she would have zero effect on the future. but she did, the girl who placed trust above love inadvertently affected katniss and many others. that heightens his paranoia towards katniss because he sees songs as defiance and these are songs lucy wrote that katniss sings (and she doesn't even know that). its lucy's memory he thought he had burned away trickling back in unknowingly (mockingjays, songs).
Snow coached the first performer in the Hunger Games, it hits harder now knowing this when he tells Katniss to convince HIM and put a convincing performance. I love this series.
I love Snow so much. He's such a despicable monster of a character, yet he plays it so calmly you can't help but like him. The definition of lawful evil.
a relevant line throughout history. Every system a man has made can be broken by a single drop of water. If the people realize that they are the many and the goverment are the few, nothing can stop them to change things. It just takes one person willing to sacrifice everything to bring down a system, which in retrospect is absolutely nothing, but no one is willing to do so and that is the fragile ground on which countries, dictatorships etc. are made on.
Defiance throughout history has either been a desperate move against oppressions, or to simply act as a "divine" excuse for rebel types to dismantle systems that they rely upon. Hollywood often has such a childish notion of totalitarianism that it jerks off the image of "revolution" and rebels to a ridiculous degree. Often rebels are just desperate losers who are simply unsatisfied with the system they live or where they wound up in it.
@@tomsrudzitis4942 Quite so. Even then, the strongest systems can change radically or collapse for the unlikeliest of reasons. History is full of examples of people dying completely unexpectedly or natural disasters wreaking havoc with civilisations. Had any of these events not happened or been milder, the world in many respects would be very different.
3:01 has to be the best bit of acting from Donald Sutherland. The way he softens his "tell me" to appear non threatening and genuinely curious just to make the "DONT LIE" more explosive was pure skill.
Rip Donald Sutherland no one can ever replace you as the cruel president snow.You will be missed by many.I will raise the district 12 sign in your honor.
imagine pulling up to a 16 year olds house as an 82 year old man to threaten to murder everything and everyone she loves because she pulled out some berries unhinged
Donald Sutherland was easily the best actor in the Hunger Games movies. He did such a good job in his role and it made every scene he was a part of a treat to watch, even if most of the rest of the movie wasn't that good.
I think Catching Fire was actually one of the best Hunger Games films! The first two were brilliant. The last two should not have been split because they lagged immensely, which was really unfortunate. I’m hoping Songbirds & Snakes is just as good as the first two- it definitely looks it from the trailer.
@@andrewc5476 Just like the government today. Don't pay your taxes and you lose it, even if the house has no mortgage. The government and banks own all our properties.
Donald Sutherland nailed the unflinching yet composed terror of Snow. He truly was a remarkable actor that didn't get enough accolades. RIP to a talent 🕊️
The conversations between Katniss and President Snow are by far my favorite ones in the whole series. The two excellent actors created more tension than any action sequence, maybe except for the run for weapons in the first movie.
What I appreciate is that Snow truly played the game. You could tell he thought things through and was prepared to adapt to re-establish his position as opposed to be a violent dictator. His power came from his influence.
Yep, even at the end, he knew he lost the game and was honest with Katniss, especially letting her know that a potential worst monster than himself would take his place if nothing was done about it.
This is one of the scenes the movie's writers made so much better than in the original book. In the book, snow comes across as weak and weird, in the film, he truly comes across as an elite with the power to puppeteer anyone and anything.
Power ? He is just explaining to her what game she is playing. It comes to conclusion when he tells her "These things happen in war" about her sister, reminding her that it was her foolishness that caused her sister to die. Masses are bloodthirsty idiots, and he has been leading them with minimal bloodshed for decades. And they did what ? Killed thousands to replace him with less capable idiot who will cause more war ? People are idiots.
After reading and watching the prequel, the whole "convince me" line takes it a whole new meaning since Snow fell in love, but has come to terms and sees it as pure manipulation and has hated it.
After watching The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, it makes a lot of sense now why Snow hated Katniss so much. Katniss reminded him of his one and only love Lucy Gray Baird. It's also why he told Katniss that she has to convince everyone about her love for Peeta. After Lucy Gray Baird, he never lied again and he yelled when Katniss tried lying to him. So the truth also became very important to him instead of love.
It's the things we love most that destroys us. President snow hunger games 3 Donald Sutherland was such a amazing actor as president snow He will be missed and rest in peace 😔
Fun Fact of how Donald Sutherland got cast. He said he read the script by accident and campaigned for Snow. He wrote a letter to the director, explaining why he should be cast.
Like a few people say, while he does seem to hate her, he also respects her. And I have to say, compared with Lucy, he certainly respects her more. He's more honest. Same with her. She's more honest than Lucy. In a way, they trust each other to hurt each other. The prequel adds so MUCH more to the main series, and that's why I love it.
This scene… this. Scene. Right HERE!! If you’ve read Ballad yet, this scene has connected the puzzles of who Snow is, and why he hates Katniss so much!! All that man saw was Lucy whenever he looks at Katniss, and it honestly breaks my heart… I like to think Snow was in love with Lucy, for like very brief moments, but was overruled by his fucked up-ness. I can’t wait for this movie to come out!!!
IMO, Snow shows how much he sees Lucy Gray in Katniss at that time even though he despises her hence he gave Katniss the same flower as he did back in the days where he first met Lucy Gray.
People say he's just projecting into Katniss and Peeta, but I think he only starts projecting by the third movie/book. Until then, he's simply using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent crisis.
All leaders need to be feared, at least a little, without fear of consequences then rules become suggestions, things that can be ignored. But fear alone is a terrible tool, it creates obedience but not loyalty, people will follow you only because you're strong. The moment you show any bit of weakness, any bit of vulnerability, or the moment you push the fear beyond the point where people stop giving a damn, then you're done.
There is a central paradox of rulership that involves what you just said. That is, it is simultaneously so simple even a child can understand it, but its precise implementation is so complex it's been the object of study for millennia. To rule over a people it is only necessary to provide three things to those you rule: a supply of the essentials to live (food, water, and shelter), access to diversion or leisure, and the appearance of solidarity in rule. Note that, of the three, only with the last is it necessary that the ruler be seen as the primary source of it. What makes The Hunger Games chilling, to me, is how plausible the world seems because Snow seems to acknowledge all three of these points. The residents of the (non-favored) districts are kept alive at the barest level of subsistence by ruthlessly stamping out any efforts at local autonomy and making themselves dependent upon the Capitol just to live (if only just). The Games are brutal and awful to watch, but viewing them is something the capitol actively provides with publicly viewable TVs. The Games become an object of singular focus by the masses; a thing they simultaneously dread but captivates their attention. Finally, there is the appearance of solidarity in rule. THAT is provided in abundance. Until the events of the last book/movie, there is never even any hint that any other form of power or governance even exists. No mention is made of any other country and, for most people, even their knowledge of other districts is restricted to the broadest of generalizations. Really, the Capitol's only "mistake" was even acknowledging that there was a time before the current order existed. It would be better to simply pretend that the Capitol is, was, and always will be. That way, people would be unlikely to even imagine any alternative and, by extension, imagine there were alternatives that might be preferable to their current plight.
@@ryang2573 The rebellion was only 74 years ago, you can't pretend that something has always been like that if there are still people who were alive to know that this is not true. And the way that the districts are treated can only be justified if they are being punished for past wrong actions.
It's true that it's necessary, but the human mind is vulnerable to power and greed. If leaders were to use the fear for good, it would be a brilliant society, but even if leaders start with that intention, they will succumb to the hands of power and then a dictatorship will come to be.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 the Games serve two purposes, first to punish the Districts and remind them who's boss, and second to divide the Districts, set them up as adversaries in the Games, thus preventing them from uniting to fight the real enemy.
After watching Ballet of Songbird and Snake, I understand why Snow was do determine to avoid war. He last both his parents, his younger sister and family's wealth to the last war.
3:02 "tell me, at what point did he realize the level of your indifference?" he's thinking about lucy gray here and it's driving me insane. i hope she haunted him until the moment he closed his eyes forever.
Its so juicy. Its like he's convinced himself she never loved him. She used him. It was fake. She wanted Billy Taupe like Katniss wants Gale. But when Katniss (his projection of Lucy Gray) convinces him she really loves Peeta he believes Lucy loved him again. Snow worked overtime to get Peeta into the same headspace he was when he shot Lucy Gray and set him on Katniss.
As monstrous as he became I do hope he had some clarity about Lucy Gray before the end. Remembering he could have spent his life with her in the meadow but his bad choices led him to this fate. He wasn't the victor. There is a new game and a new victor every year. Its a merry go round. You only win when you step off. Lucy gave him that choice and he didn't understand it@@thomasravenne5955
@@04nbod Especially if you consider that a case could be made that Snow never truly loved Lucy, but used her. He projects onto Lucy and then Katniss too. But that's just a theory.
I started reading the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, getting Snow’s backstory. Tiny spoilers from the book but nothing compared to the massive spoilers in the book and possibly movie. I came back to this movie scene in my mind being blown in what Snow once was long ago. His entire family nearly lost everything in the war, all he had to use was his family name, Snow to his advantage, hardly any money to feed, clothe himself and anyone else in his life before becoming a mentor in the 10th Hunger Games. Then decades later, he is the President of the Capital. I cannot wait to finish the book then watch the film when it comes out in November 17th. Thanks for uploading.
@@Viewable11 Sadly those are nowhere close to the major spoilers of the book. Those are just small yet fun details to know of when he was a boy to young man. And if my word is not enough, the movie will certainly show otherwise. And if the movie is not enough to prove it, read the book to know further on the truly massive spoilers of his story and how he becomes the President Snow we know in Hunger Games.
Sometimes a conversation of total honesty can be more complex than one of deception. Our brains are designed to seek for lies and half-truths. For instance, when Snow says "I don't want to kill you." I think there's even more truth to that than we might initially think. It's not just that he doesn't want to kill her because it would be a poor move in this game, I think he genuinely respects her moxie, and wants to be on the same side. He just regrets that someone with spirit like her came up on the opposite side, because the capital only breeds insipid fools that follow the system. Anyone like her on his side is either a threat or plotting a rebellion.
I saw an interview with Sutherland in which he said that in his mind, President Snow has been searching for years for someone to set up as his successor, but every prospective protégé(e) in the Capitol has failed to measure up, and Snow is beginning to despair of finding someone - until his attention falls on Katniss... I'd agree that at this point in the story, he's genuinely hoping that he can manipulate her into being a tool he can use, rather than simply a threat to destroy.
Why was this scene so identical to the book (minus the screen) but it’s exactly how I imagined it and some of it is word for word. the casting for Coriolanus was phenomenal
I took it as "I want you alive, because you can be useful to me alive if you play along, but dead, you'd be a martyr." If she would just play the political game firmly on the Capitol's side, her defiance and still surviving would showcase "generosity" from the Capitol, while also not playing into the idea of rebellion. But if he had to kill her, she'd be a martyr because she won. She was promised a life after the games and taking that away would just completely prove that nobody is safe and that the Capitol is to never be trusted. Before, they were oppressive, but you could take them at their word. 1 boy and girl from each district will be sent to the games, only 1 walks out alive. Their district got great rewards and the victor was immune to being reaped again. They would provide what was promised. They weren't liars, they were upfront with their tyranny. When Katniss showed she was still a thorn in his side by interfering with Gale's whipping and sparking the show of solidarity with district 11, thats where I believe he chose to try to be rid of her. But still trying to tiptoe around the idea of directly killing her, he takes advantage of the Quarter Quell to guarantee she'd be put into the games again, with (my best guess) the hope that the districts would see it more as unfortunate circumstance rather than an orchestrated assassination.
Having watched "Ballad of songbirds and snakes" you realize how fickle Snow is on the inside. The real reason why he's so fixated in Katniss not loving Peeta is because he's projecting what he lived with Lucy Grey on them. He's an 80 year old man still salty that his teenage girlfriend left him 65 years ago lmao
I think it's more that he's using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent ordeal, not exactly because of projection (until the third movie, that is).
RIP Donald Sutherland (July 17, 1935 - June 20, 2024), aged 88
You will be remembered as a legend.
A true legend
R.I.P.
R.I.P
What? I didn’t know he died until I saw this…Fuck!
Snow standing there for the past 30 minutes holding a cup and watching the same clip just so he can have his sassy entrance
Sounds like something young Coryo would actually do 😂
Given that he has footage of “the kiss”, (and likely everything else happening, more or less) I would guess he knew exactly when she would arrive back at the house and wasn’t standing the entire time.
But, MY GOD, is that a hilarious thing to picture him doing.
And a sassy entrance for sure, no matter what it took to get it.
I do this, where’s my Panem
That’s nothing; how bout Plutarch Running Quickly to the helicopter saying “oh shit, oh shit, oh shit; don’t check the room don’t check the room.” I mean did he have an inpromptu helicopter next to Snow Big Screen TV?
And while itsn9t shown in the movie, haymitch and peeta quietly keeping appearances at katniss' home with peacekeepers looking at, while in theyre thinking "where is SHE?!"
There are few people on screen that can radiate “dictator energy.” Snow isn’t a man who gives many outright threats, but every scene you can feel his power and influence over people
I know. He never raises his voice, yet his presence on screen terrifies me. Donald Sutherland did a good job portraying Snow.
@@laurahuynh8333the casting in the hunger games is near perfection with all the characters, but Donald Sutherland as president Snow was beyond perfection, it's like the character was purposely written for him and him alone.
@@KajolKhan-qj5neand Tom Blyth did amazing as young Snow
Charles Dance would also work well
It reminds me it would be like meeting Kim Jong Un North Korea's dictator..
Nobody talks about how REAL primm was in this scene! Before Katniss accidentally ratted herself out about where she really was before coming home she interrupted her and said “We have visitors!”
She’s such a good sister
@@oliviachicken9775she deserved better. They all did
And her mother asking her how the walk was.
This was probably the first time Snow set foot in District 12 since that day in the forest.
i wonder why he really there after all that time.
@@cazyjohn2005prolly Lucy’s still on his mind. No matter the circumstance, first love NEVER dies
@@abastillasd0137especially when the first love like made your life go full Rollercoaster like Snow went from poor boy to a killer to a hero to a winner to a soldier to a hermit with Lucy gray in forest to whole berserk anger to back to capital
@@GigiM_winx But you'll often notice that whenever he does something, he only does it if it benefits him. He loved her, but she was also a loose end for him. He even lied about who he killed when Lucy emphasized how TRUST is important to her more than anything else. He even snitched on his best friend. Everything he did was to gain power in the capital. He loved Lucy, but his desire for power was stronger than his love for her.
Id say it again yikes !😂🔜👍🩸🕛💥🎥📽️🎞️🎞️
Snow is the perfect example of a lawful evil villain. He's capable of truly horrific things and has committed them but he has his own moral code and can be reasoned with.
Yes! A true leader who can create allies from his enemies and truces, etc. Not ruling from fear but using deals, and you put it so well, can be reasoned and negotiated with!
@@kerrin6633😂😂😂oh the sarcasm
@@mahatmarfigo lol, Snow is a complex villian, but it's bc he uses both negotiation (rather than only using force) and because he thinks he is doing something for the greater good
I don't know about moral code, he just does whatever is in his best interest. The evil way is not always the more beneficial, leaders that everybody hates tend to not last long.
What is Coin? Neutral evil?
people always look at me crazy when i say snow is my favourite character from the hunger games. but man, he is truly one of the most well written villains of all time. he truly never did lie to her once, keeping his promise even throughout the entire war and revolution. that’s some next level 3D chess.
I understand snow is one of most amazing character of this trilogy
It was him that made Donald Sutherland one of my absolute favorite actors. The man has a presence as commanding as Charles Dance and Christopher Lee, that kind of regal elegance, aged wisdom and of course, unspoken lethality.
Can wait to watch the prequel. What happen or somethi who make him like that.
@danurkresnamurti3598 reading the book you learn why Snow is the way that he is. It's mentioned more than once I think in all the books its about survival. He did what he had to do.
don't you mean 4D chess, 3D chess is just... chess.
His anger at her denying indifference towards Peeta makes sense now, he probably decided Lucy Gray felt no real care for him, his tone was calm until that one moment, he was more upset at her lying about loving a boy than her calling the capital fragile..that man hurt hurt😩
i think he told himself that Lucy Gray didn't loved him.
@@cazyjohn2005 Which is most likely a lie, she loved him, but lost trust when Snow lied about who the third person he had killed was.
@@murilofilipe5909 i think he told himself that lie after he left District 12 to remove the pain lose her.
@@cazyjohn2005 Consider he and Gaul deleted all but the master tapes of the Games and then after Katniss defies him and reminds him of Lucy Gray he goes completely over the top and firebombs all of District 12. Man is in PAIN and I bet Gaul encouraged it. He wants to delete everything of her but she's in his head forever.
Because to him because he is Capitol and is a Snow, it's worse that the girl he fell in love with may have lied to him than it was that he was genuinely considering killing the girl he fell in love with.
It's not that he's incapable of love, then or now. It's that he will always put himself and the Capitol ahead of those he loves because he considers himself to be all that is keeping order in Panem. That's part of the possessive, controlling way that he loves. They're HIS to keep, to love, and to kill if he sees fit.
Snow is absolutely terrifying, not just cause he's a power hungry dictator, but hecause he's a cunning, intelligent power hungry dictator. He doesn't delude himself about what he is but also isn't even remotely ready to give anything up.
What makes him terrifying is that he can go to the minds of ordinary people, put himself in their shoes and know how they feel
He knows the value of hope
The value of love
The value of fear.
He knows how defiant people Would fight to the death to have freedom
He knows what motivates Katniss, what she fears, what she hopes, what she loves
He knows the good and bad of people, and exploits it
Most villians would be numb to such perspective, and simply cause pain for the heck of it, and wouldn’t understand why weak people defy them when it’s hopeless
Snow knows, he knows in the right circumstances, weak people can triumph, the strong can be overthrown, and it motivates him to exploit it all to keep himself in power
His one weakness is his hatred to Katniss. How it clouds and motivates him to fall in the machinations of Plutarch and Coin, and cause his own destruction by acting the tyrant they wanted him to be
But before his fall, he uses his understanding of people to his advantage, to make them suffer, to exploit them, all to keep himself in power
And that’s what’s terrifying, a villian who understands how ordinary people and heroes think and use it as weapons against them
The fact he never lies either not because of morals but because he simply doesn’t need too because he has total power adds to the character as well
As a boy he starved watched war tear apart the capital and his house the name snow was all he had burned family memory's and anything worth anything to survive to stay warm if a few children killing eachother from the districts in an arena can provent any capital child from going threw what he did so be it at least he is not wastefully
Even without reading the prequel, you can hear how triggered Snow is when he says "DON"T LIE!". After all those years, what happened with Lucy Gray still stings. In that instant, Coriolanus heard Katniss say she wasn't indifferent to Peeta and it all came pouring back.
i think he went to district 12 beside just threat her.
@@cazyjohn2005 Yeah. He went to rekindle his memories as well. Also, he's probably a widower too now so now he can probably reminisce about Lucy Gray again without feeling guilty about it. Haha.
@@futuremovieactor i think he went there to look for any sign of Lucy Gray before he die.
@@cazyjohn2005 That too. Haha.
@@futuremovieactor i do think he know he is going die soon.
I love Snow’s reaction to Katniss calling the system fragile. Just flat out admits it is. Cuz at that point, besides the “berries”, Katniss’s defiant words are just that, words. And he nor the system are afraid of words. What he is afraid of is action, which he preemptively attempts to discourage by threatening “hypothetical” action of his own. Would be fun to imagine this same conversation but with a more seasoned Katniss from the final books/films. You can be absolutely sure she most definitely would not have sat down at his command, especially not in her own house.
The only thing Snow cares about is stability, Katniss speaking her mind to him alone doesn’t threaten that. He can’t allow her to publicly insult him or the system he tries to uphold, because that could lead to rebellion, but when he’s alone with her he’s fine with her disrespect because it won’t actually impact anything. It’s also why he’s willing to admit the capitals shortcomings in their private conversations, he doesn’t care what she thinks or knows, he just cares about the impact she has on the public.
I felt like he was deflecting what Katniss implied. Snow insists that *his* system is quite stable, and in fact it is the districts whose fragility would be demonstrated to uphold that stability. Snow believes he has two viable pathways to maintain stability: through the optics of re-framing Katniss' actions as "love" or by demonstrating the price of defiance through wide-scale bloodshed. He would prefer the former as mass killings are costly and impact economic productivity. Either way he feels secure with his system of control, or if nothing else wants Katniss to buy this narrative. The last thing he wants to do is project insecurity or weakness to a perceived instigator.
She was young and inexperienced and can fall to threats and blackmail but if she was a adult she would stand her ground and be more careful around snow and knowing he would do anything in his power to have tight grip on her
As V in V for Vendetta said: "fairness, justice and freedom are more then empty words. They are perspectives"
my first thought would be to say "You're in my seat" to Snow xD
Donald Sutherland acted his ass off in this series and I’m so grateful honestly.
Just found out he passed. R.I.P. one of my all time favorite actors.
It’s kinda neat how he has just barely enough empathy to respect her and understand her motivations.
That’s what makes him dangerous
He knows how Katniss and others feel, and uses them as weapons agsinst them. It’s not that he has no empathy, he uses it as a cruel weapon against others for his own benefit
@@christophersanchez7731 I would add to that by saying that Snow doesn't seem to always view others as inferiors to himself. He's pragmatic enough to recognize both talent and skill in others and I daresay that he even admires those who he knows are threats to his power. I actually think he enjoys toying with the idea of having an equal, someone who he can truly "play" with in a political arena and is emotionally and mentally capable of appreciating that contest. Power is a Game that never ends, not even in death.
@@samuelvine According to Donald Sutherland, Snow does has a degree of respect for Katniss due to her defiance to his regime in the 74th Hunger Games and sharing the cynicism he has of the system he runs.
Seeing this after watching ballad of songbirds and snakes, it makes much more sense why snow was the way he was. You can tell he’s very cautious about everything because of what happened in his past, especially to katniss.
And of course, Lucy Gray Baird.
I am sure suzanne collins thought about writing a prequel even before the original hunger games back in 2008
I gotta admit after just seeing the new hunger games movie it has me curious about the ending did Lucy manipulate snow or did she just find out what he did to his friend and leave him?
@@joeosborn2771she told snow that she cannot tolerate liars, and then when he said 3 people she knew he wasn’t telling her something
@@joeosborn2771 Snow accidentally let it slip that he killed three people because he was agreeing with Lucy Gray when she said she didn’t want to have to kill anyone else after the Hunger Games. She only knew that he killed two people because he told her but he didn’t tell her about the third. So once she realized who the third person it was he killed, she knew that he would kill her because she’s the only other person besides Spruce who knew that he killed Mayfair. So she made a plan to leave Snow, which is why she set the trap with the snake to give her enough time to flee.
RIP Donald Sutherland one of the best castings from the The Hunger Games franchise and one of the greatest actors of all time.
“I don’t want to kill you. I want us to be friends. But if not friends then allies.”
This hits harder when you realize that Snow views the world as a Massive Hunger Games where he’s the ultimate Tribute.
Katniss reminded him of Lucy Gray Baird. That's why he respected her and never lied to her once. Just watched The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Snow use to be a good man, it was circumstances that made him the way he was. He is a truly unique villain.
No he was trash from the start. Ambitious, possessive and narcisistic. But mentally brilliant.
@@ariaforegin6396 But he was yet to become the cold and psychopathic man we see in The Hunger Games. Lucy was his last link to his humanity.
@@kevinmclaughlin2594 both are true. Like everyone, Snow is a product of his circumstances, but he himself made the choice to take to the influences of the wrong people.
Yes, he's a very well crafted and multi-layered villain, and he's acting in a way that's consistent with his own view of the world, which makes him a very good character.
But he still made the choice to become what he is today willingly and knowingly.
In the book, The Ballad, and reading his monologues, I wouldnt say he was a good man.
I realised Snow didnt just shout "dont lie!" To katniss not just to intimidate her, he was doing that anyways. But to see a district 12 girl victor discard her lover cause the games were over and she didnt need him and to lie to him about truely loving him and breaking his trust, everything reminded him of Lucy Gray immediately.
I do love the little smile Snow gives when Katniss asks why he doesn't just kill her now. Like he's thinking: "Oh I would love to do that, don't get me wrong, but that's not my way of doing things", so sadistic and yet calculated.
You can tell Snow is furious but yet has so much self-control. What I also love is his commanding nature, how he invades Katniss’ home and sits at the front of the table like he’s interviewing her. You can really tell he wants to hurt Katniss and her family but he won’t do it, because there is no point to it, because he only acts on his cruel intentions if there is a purpose for it, if only it affects his rules and if it goes against anything he doesn’t like or sees fit. It’s why he had Crane kill himself because he allowed the rules to be changed, it’s why he had Cinna murdered because he designed a different dress that Snow saw as an act of defiance and rebellion. This how a villain should be written
Well, Snow did kill Haymiych's family for a lesser action
@@robertomingo9822There was no hiding in his case - his axe bouncing off the forcefield was obviously deliberate and undermined the Capitol”s authority.
@robertomingo9822 I think to some extent, he admires katniss. And killing her would serve less value instead he wants her to keep performing for the cameras, convince the districts she did not act out of defiance, be forced to mentor countless more tributes in the coming years. This would prolong her suffering.
This series was a masterpiece. It feels rare that a beloved book series is adapted this well, at least these days
These days?😂 This was released a decade ago
@@seren4740 that’s the point
@@seren4740a lot has changed in cinema over the last few years
the new hunger games movie that came out was horse crap compared to this@@seren4740
Snow was the epitome of the dictator. He was intimidating, cunning, dangerously intelligent, and nobody’s fool. He had an intense gravitas that both drew you towards him in fascination and pushed you away in fear. It’s easy to see in his various appearances how he was able to hold on to power for as long as he did. Donald Sutherland portrayed him magnificently.
Nobody could have pulled this role off better than you Donald Sutherland, may you rest in peace 🤍
Rip Donald 😢 u were one of the most convincing villains I have ever seen.
I like how he plays ball with her first quipy response with the berries but the second time she tries he’s serious by addressing the consequences of war or even a culling.
“And like a child, you took pleasure in breaking it.”.
Snow is so evil, but he doesn’t speak just to hear his own voice.
@@lucasraines Why do people think he is evil is beyond me.
@@boobo ????????????? maybe cuz 23 people from the age of 12 to 18 die each year, 12 districts are in constant terror and he literally bombed district 13 and in the 2nd movie district 12 too????? Also in the 3rd movie a whole building full of injured people. how tf do you think he's not evil??
@@ohimark All of that is just based and redpilled ny guy
Homeboy got rejected and became bitter for 60 years
Snow is the alpha incel
@@Catzchiqehuh!? Those words don't go together.
@@Catzchiqe He's no incel, he has a granddaughter so obviously he's married.
@@nobblkpraetorian5623 actually he only got married to his wife because he disliked her so he could never be manipulated by her, like he was by lucy gray. So homeboy did get rejected and definetly didn't want his wife like THAT iykwim
That's an over simplification of his character. He had no intention of staying with Lucy after he realised he could just go back to the capitol and have the life he wanted. His ambition was worth more to him than Lucy gray. He's not bitter that she rejected him lmfao because he was the one who rejected her first. She was always a ticket to success for him, nothing more. He's bitter because he feels he fooled himself into believing he was in love. When in reality he was pretty indifferent to Lucy. He believes katniss is the same as him, in the sense that she's indifferent to peeta and is just using him to survive.
After reading and watching the prequel, then coming back to this, this scene shows how much Lucy Grey just broke Snow. He hates Katniss because all he sees in her is Lucy, and it hurts him to the core.
Edit: After watching again, I realized (becides welcoming tributes to the games and blah blah). This is the ONLY scene where Snow raises his voice. Katniss lied to him, and that "DON'T LIE" came out because Katniss touched a nerve because she reminded him of how Lucy lied to him. Snow is evil, but he is very calm and articulated.
Two girls decades apart, but from the same district. What are the odds that they both destroyed Snow in a sense?
nah... lucy gray was a mistake. adding her into the story brought a romantic tendency to the dynamic between snow and katniss. their dynamic is much better without lucy factoring into anything. suzanne fucked up by writing that book because it cheapened the entire story
@@strugglingfemme I wouldn't say mistake. It definitely complicated things though.
@@strugglingfemmeit didn't feed into anything romantic. in fact, it fed into his paranoia and his tight trust in people i.e he doesn't trust anyone but himself. katniss reflects Sejanus more than lucy (passed on songs aside), PEETA reflects lucy in charisma and show play. snow is a narcissist, the line in the book "goodbye lucy gray, we hardly knew you" reflects that in his paranoia and bubble of trust, he was so sure she would have zero effect on the future. but she did, the girl who placed trust above love inadvertently affected katniss and many others. that heightens his paranoia towards katniss because he sees songs as defiance and these are songs lucy wrote that katniss sings (and she doesn't even know that). its lucy's memory he thought he had burned away trickling back in unknowingly (mockingjays, songs).
@@rebelxoswald I don't understand, why do you refer to Lucy as "the girl who put trust above love"?
Snow coached the first performer in the Hunger Games, it hits harder now knowing this when he tells Katniss to convince HIM and put a convincing performance. I love this series.
Rest in peace to the 1st villain I ever fell in love with 🌹🤍 Donald, you were a class act.
I like how President Snow talks. Slow and effective.
RIP Donald Sutherland
Probably my favorite scene
I love Snow so much. He's such a despicable monster of a character, yet he plays it so calmly you can't help but like him. The definition of lawful evil.
One of the best to ever do it. Thank you Donald, you will be missed.
I think this is the only scene in the whole saga we see Snow raise his voice. Chilling.
I remember I jumped in the theatre, the quietness of the scene adds to it
2:15 this line, this line! Still relevant to so many levels 💔
I love these movies from the bottom of my heart
a relevant line throughout history. Every system a man has made can be broken by a single drop of water. If the people realize that they are the many and the goverment are the few, nothing can stop them to change things. It just takes one person willing to sacrifice everything to bring down a system, which in retrospect is absolutely nothing, but no one is willing to do so and that is the fragile ground on which countries, dictatorships etc. are made on.
@@tomsrudzitis4942 This could spark an interesting conversation.
Defiance throughout history has either been a desperate move against oppressions, or to simply act as a "divine" excuse for rebel types to dismantle systems that they rely upon. Hollywood often has such a childish notion of totalitarianism that it jerks off the image of "revolution" and rebels to a ridiculous degree. Often rebels are just desperate losers who are simply unsatisfied with the system they live or where they wound up in it.
@@tomsrudzitis4942 Quite so. Even then, the strongest systems can change radically or collapse for the unlikeliest of reasons. History is full of examples of people dying completely unexpectedly or natural disasters wreaking havoc with civilisations. Had any of these events not happened or been milder, the world in many respects would be very different.
3:01 has to be the best bit of acting from Donald Sutherland. The way he softens his "tell me" to appear non threatening and genuinely curious just to make the "DONT LIE" more explosive was pure skill.
It keeps being amazing that he was true in the end: He never actually lied.
Except when he said to Lucy Gray that his third victim was his old self of course. I guess that is when his aversion to lying started
RIP sir, you were a true legend!
Rip Donald Sutherland no one can ever replace you as the cruel president snow.You will be missed by many.I will raise the district 12 sign in your honor.
I could listen to Donald Sutherland's voice literally forever
And his son, Kiefer.
RIP Donald. Legend.
imagine pulling up to a 16 year olds house as an 82 year old man to threaten to murder everything and everyone she loves because she pulled out some berries
unhinged
Who's here after he passed away
Omg R.I.P Donald Sutherland.
R.I.P. Donald Sutherland
RIP Donald Sutherland you nailed President Snow perfectly
Donald Sutherland, you gave one of the best performances ever with your portrayal of Snow. May you R.I.P.
R.I.P Donald Sutherland 🤍
Donald Sutherland was easily the best actor in the Hunger Games movies. He did such a good job in his role and it made every scene he was a part of a treat to watch, even if most of the rest of the movie wasn't that good.
him & haymitch are up there
Prolly cus he didn't fuck his way into the role lmao
It wasn’t that good, it was great. Catching fire was the best of these movies hence why it was so successful.
I think Catching Fire was actually one of the best Hunger Games films! The first two were brilliant. The last two should not have been split because they lagged immensely, which was really unfortunate. I’m hoping Songbirds & Snakes is just as good as the first two- it definitely looks it from the trailer.
Even if the execution felt a little lacking sometimes most of the casting was excellent.
2:24 - must be the most cold delivery of a threat ever delivered in cinema.
The president is dead. Rest in peace Donald Sutherland
Sutherland's acting is so good you can almost taste the cookie when he bites it.
I can even feel the crumbs causing irritation as they rub against my mouth sores!
Such a beautiful house! Though, can you imagine, being escorted within your own house! 🤨
If I remember right it’s owned by the Capitol. Once the victors die of old age or wtv the family can no longer live in the house.
@@andrewc5476 Just like the government today. Don't pay your taxes and you lose it, even if the house has no mortgage. The government and banks own all our properties.
@@andrewc5476 Anybody know anything about the real house (assuming it was)? I'm low-key obsessed with those stained glass windows 🙂
It’s technically not hers, it’s owned by the capitol.
Indeed Katniss was owned by the capitol. Until she reversed everything. Alas the champion houses were all part of the game.
Rest in Peace Donald Sutherland
Donald Sutherland nailed the unflinching yet composed terror of Snow. He truly was a remarkable actor that didn't get enough accolades. RIP to a talent 🕊️
RIP President Snow
The conversations between Katniss and President Snow are by far my favorite ones in the whole series. The two excellent actors created more tension than any action sequence, maybe except for the run for weapons in the first movie.
What I appreciate is that Snow truly played the game. You could tell he thought things through and was prepared to adapt to re-establish his position as opposed to be a violent dictator. His power came from his influence.
Yep, even at the end, he knew he lost the game and was honest with Katniss, especially letting her know that a potential worst monster than himself would take his place if nothing was done about it.
This is one of the scenes the movie's writers made so much better than in the original book. In the book, snow comes across as weak and weird, in the film, he truly comes across as an elite with the power to puppeteer anyone and anything.
Power ? He is just explaining to her what game she is playing. It comes to conclusion when he tells her "These things happen in war" about her sister, reminding her that it was her foolishness that caused her sister to die. Masses are bloodthirsty idiots, and he has been leading them with minimal bloodshed for decades. And they did what ? Killed thousands to replace him with less capable idiot who will cause more war ? People are idiots.
You must have a weak imagination then
bro he does not come off as weak in the book I could feel katniss’s fear
After reading and watching the prequel, the whole "convince me" line takes it a whole new meaning since Snow fell in love, but has come to terms and sees it as pure manipulation and has hated it.
RIP Donald Sutherland 🥀 One the greatest actors of ALL TIME.
RIP Donald Sutherland. One of your best scenes imo.
Suzanna Collins created Snow like Da Vinci painting the Mona Lisa.
RIP Donald Sutherland
RIP Donald Sutherland. Our President Snow.
Not the #1 fan of these films, but had to come back and watch this legend.
Rest in peace Donald Sutherland, you will be missed, one of my favourite actors because of this franchise!
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After watching The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, it makes a lot of sense now why Snow hated Katniss so much. Katniss reminded him of his one and only love Lucy Gray Baird. It's also why he told Katniss that she has to convince everyone about her love for Peeta. After Lucy Gray Baird, he never lied again and he yelled when Katniss tried lying to him. So the truth also became very important to him instead of love.
Goodbye Donald Sutherland 😭
I can’t believe people got here this quick. Man was mad loved. RIP
It's the things we love most that destroys us. President snow hunger games 3
Donald Sutherland was such a amazing actor as president snow
He will be missed and rest in peace 😔
Fun Fact of how Donald Sutherland got cast. He said he read the script by accident and campaigned for Snow. He wrote a letter to the director, explaining why he should be cast.
Like a few people say, while he does seem to hate her, he also respects her. And I have to say, compared with Lucy, he certainly respects her more. He's more honest.
Same with her. She's more honest than Lucy. In a way, they trust each other to hurt each other.
The prequel adds so MUCH more to the main series, and that's why I love it.
R.I.P Donald Sutherland. You were the best president of all time T_T
This scene… this. Scene. Right HERE!! If you’ve read Ballad yet, this scene has connected the puzzles of who Snow is, and why he hates Katniss so much!! All that man saw was Lucy whenever he looks at Katniss, and it honestly breaks my heart… I like to think Snow was in love with Lucy, for like very brief moments, but was overruled by his fucked up-ness. I can’t wait for this movie to come out!!!
i agree with you, i think both were in love with each other.
@@cazyjohn2005 The two loved each other, but Snow ambition was greater than that love and Lucy realized this in the cabin.
IMO, Snow shows how much he sees Lucy Gray in Katniss at that time even though he despises her hence he gave Katniss the same flower as he did back in the days where he first met Lucy Gray.
People say he's just projecting into Katniss and Peeta, but I think he only starts projecting by the third movie/book. Until then, he's simply using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent crisis.
I like how he immediately brushed off on her lies and pretty much layed it on the table "let's not bother to bs and get to the point with each other."
Rest in peace Donald Sutherland ❤️🙏🏼
"I don't want to kill you, we want us to be friends."
rip donald sutherland , always our coriolanus snow
Rip Donald, thank you for giving us one of the most terrifying villains in film history
I just heard Donald Sutherland, who plays President Snow, just passed away at age 88. RIP Donald Sutherland.
Rest in peace, mr. Sutherland. Your portrayal of Snow was iconic.
All leaders need to be feared, at least a little, without fear of consequences then rules become suggestions, things that can be ignored. But fear alone is a terrible tool, it creates obedience but not loyalty, people will follow you only because you're strong. The moment you show any bit of weakness, any bit of vulnerability, or the moment you push the fear beyond the point where people stop giving a damn, then you're done.
There is a central paradox of rulership that involves what you just said. That is, it is simultaneously so simple even a child can understand it, but its precise implementation is so complex it's been the object of study for millennia. To rule over a people it is only necessary to provide three things to those you rule: a supply of the essentials to live (food, water, and shelter), access to diversion or leisure, and the appearance of solidarity in rule. Note that, of the three, only with the last is it necessary that the ruler be seen as the primary source of it.
What makes The Hunger Games chilling, to me, is how plausible the world seems because Snow seems to acknowledge all three of these points. The residents of the (non-favored) districts are kept alive at the barest level of subsistence by ruthlessly stamping out any efforts at local autonomy and making themselves dependent upon the Capitol just to live (if only just). The Games are brutal and awful to watch, but viewing them is something the capitol actively provides with publicly viewable TVs. The Games become an object of singular focus by the masses; a thing they simultaneously dread but captivates their attention. Finally, there is the appearance of solidarity in rule. THAT is provided in abundance. Until the events of the last book/movie, there is never even any hint that any other form of power or governance even exists. No mention is made of any other country and, for most people, even their knowledge of other districts is restricted to the broadest of generalizations. Really, the Capitol's only "mistake" was even acknowledging that there was a time before the current order existed. It would be better to simply pretend that the Capitol is, was, and always will be. That way, people would be unlikely to even imagine any alternative and, by extension, imagine there were alternatives that might be preferable to their current plight.
@@ryang2573 The rebellion was only 74 years ago, you can't pretend that something has always been like that if there are still people who were alive to know that this is not true. And the way that the districts are treated can only be justified if they are being punished for past wrong actions.
It's true that it's necessary, but the human mind is vulnerable to power and greed. If leaders were to use the fear for good, it would be a brilliant society, but even if leaders start with that intention, they will succumb to the hands of power and then a dictatorship will come to be.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 the Games serve two purposes, first to punish the Districts and remind them who's boss, and second to divide the Districts, set them up as adversaries in the Games, thus preventing them from uniting to fight the real enemy.
After watching Ballet of Songbird and Snake, I understand why Snow was do determine to avoid war. He last both his parents, his younger sister and family's wealth to the last war.
3:02 "tell me, at what point did he realize the level of your indifference?" he's thinking about lucy gray here and it's driving me insane. i hope she haunted him until the moment he closed his eyes forever.
Well, since Kat remind him of Lucy and she is the last thing he saw, your wish is probably real
Its so juicy. Its like he's convinced himself she never loved him. She used him. It was fake. She wanted Billy Taupe like Katniss wants Gale. But when Katniss (his projection of Lucy Gray) convinces him she really loves Peeta he believes Lucy loved him again. Snow worked overtime to get Peeta into the same headspace he was when he shot Lucy Gray and set him on Katniss.
As monstrous as he became I do hope he had some clarity about Lucy Gray before the end. Remembering he could have spent his life with her in the meadow but his bad choices led him to this fate. He wasn't the victor. There is a new game and a new victor every year. Its a merry go round. You only win when you step off. Lucy gave him that choice and he didn't understand it@@thomasravenne5955
@@04nbod Especially if you consider that a case could be made that Snow never truly loved Lucy, but used her. He projects onto Lucy and then Katniss too. But that's just a theory.
I think he sees himself in Peeta. The nice young boy led on by the devious girl@@arkhambricksskylar3808
I started reading the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, getting Snow’s backstory. Tiny spoilers from the book but nothing compared to the massive spoilers in the book and possibly movie. I came back to this movie scene in my mind being blown in what Snow once was long ago. His entire family nearly lost everything in the war, all he had to use was his family name, Snow to his advantage, hardly any money to feed, clothe himself and anyone else in his life before becoming a mentor in the 10th Hunger Games. Then decades later, he is the President of the Capital. I cannot wait to finish the book then watch the film when it comes out in November 17th. Thanks for uploading.
"Please no spoilers"
Huh??? Your comment is 100% spoilers. How about you give the respect you request also to other people?
@@Viewable11 Sadly those are nowhere close to the major spoilers of the book. Those are just small yet fun details to know of when he was a boy to young man. And if my word is not enough, the movie will certainly show otherwise. And if the movie is not enough to prove it, read the book to know further on the truly massive spoilers of his story and how he becomes the President Snow we know in Hunger Games.
President Snow has such a good voice for ASMR. Anyone else agree?
Just no doing monologues of logical, unemotional threats lol 😝 But, yes, very powerful voice
Sometimes a conversation of total honesty can be more complex than one of deception. Our brains are designed to seek for lies and half-truths. For instance, when Snow says "I don't want to kill you." I think there's even more truth to that than we might initially think. It's not just that he doesn't want to kill her because it would be a poor move in this game, I think he genuinely respects her moxie, and wants to be on the same side. He just regrets that someone with spirit like her came up on the opposite side, because the capital only breeds insipid fools that follow the system. Anyone like her on his side is either a threat or plotting a rebellion.
I saw an interview with Sutherland in which he said that in his mind, President Snow has been searching for years for someone to set up as his successor, but every prospective protégé(e) in the Capitol has failed to measure up, and Snow is beginning to despair of finding someone - until his attention falls on Katniss...
I'd agree that at this point in the story, he's genuinely hoping that he can manipulate her into being a tool he can use, rather than simply a threat to destroy.
R.I.P the legend
RIP to the GOAT
Why was this scene so identical to the book (minus the screen) but it’s exactly how I imagined it and some of it is word for word. the casting for Coriolanus was phenomenal
When Snow said he wanted to be friends with Katniss I busted up with laughter! 🤣
heartwarming really - an intergenerational friendship between young and old
He should have killed her.
I took it as "I want you alive, because you can be useful to me alive if you play along, but dead, you'd be a martyr." If she would just play the political game firmly on the Capitol's side, her defiance and still surviving would showcase "generosity" from the Capitol, while also not playing into the idea of rebellion. But if he had to kill her, she'd be a martyr because she won. She was promised a life after the games and taking that away would just completely prove that nobody is safe and that the Capitol is to never be trusted. Before, they were oppressive, but you could take them at their word. 1 boy and girl from each district will be sent to the games, only 1 walks out alive. Their district got great rewards and the victor was immune to being reaped again. They would provide what was promised. They weren't liars, they were upfront with their tyranny. When Katniss showed she was still a thorn in his side by interfering with Gale's whipping and sparking the show of solidarity with district 11, thats where I believe he chose to try to be rid of her. But still trying to tiptoe around the idea of directly killing her, he takes advantage of the Quarter Quell to guarantee she'd be put into the games again, with (my best guess) the hope that the districts would see it more as unfortunate circumstance rather than an orchestrated assassination.
Rip to Donald Sutherland 😢 🕊🕊🕊
Having watched "Ballad of songbirds and snakes" you realize how fickle Snow is on the inside. The real reason why he's so fixated in Katniss not loving Peeta is because he's projecting what he lived with Lucy Grey on them. He's an 80 year old man still salty that his teenage girlfriend left him 65 years ago lmao
I think it's more that he's using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent ordeal, not exactly because of projection (until the third movie, that is).
2:25 "You think revolution is a GAME?"
i love effie! shes like a precious puppy.
RIP Donald Sotherland you will be missed
He sees so much of Lucy Grey in Katniss.
The fact that snow dropped in in person unannounced
Speaks the volumes
RIP to a real legend Donald Sutherland 🙏🏿.
RIP , the legend Donald Sutherland