The Tragic Fall of Morgoth/Melkor During the War of Wrath. How Morgoth Was Defeated

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @BarakMobamba
    @BarakMobamba 9 месяцев назад +48

    That was one of the best depictions and most flushed out iterations of the War of Wrath I think I’ve ever seen on RUclips. Great job :)

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thank a lot. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

    • @ir8free
      @ir8free 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@FairlyFictional what are the image credits?

  • @FingolfinNolofinwe
    @FingolfinNolofinwe 9 месяцев назад +25

    Brilliant artwork in this video. Wow I love it

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +4

      Thanks a lot. It took some time to get it just right but they turned out well in the end. 😁. New username btw 😉

  • @rhino7735
    @rhino7735 9 месяцев назад +7

    I love the artwork and illustrations beautifully done

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks. They turned out well. But now I have to make sure all videos are that good or better 🙄

    • @ir8free
      @ir8free 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@FairlyFictional what are the image credits?

  • @ZeusMcKraken
    @ZeusMcKraken Месяц назад +6

    Excellent video and superb voicing. The artwork really tied this one together. Well done.

  • @navyreviewer
    @navyreviewer 2 месяца назад +9

    ... and somewhere Tulkas laughed and said "that was fun, let's do it again."

  • @tjjordan4207
    @tjjordan4207 2 месяца назад +18

    Why isn’t this story a movie?!
    Seriously, if this was made into an hour and a half movie depicting the fall of Morgoth, it would be a wild ride that would entertain and be short enough.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  2 месяца назад

      It would be great wouldn’t it. If only… 🙏🏼

    • @thebunz7
      @thebunz7 2 месяца назад

      Because no one skilled enough has done so yet to make money. Look at the Amazon billion dollar catastrophe. It should be a story on the forefront but stop looking for others to do and create it yourself if you feel passionate enough

    • @tjjordan4207
      @tjjordan4207 2 месяца назад

      @@thebunz7 I'm not the one with tons of money and containing the rights to make it.

    • @claymore10100
      @claymore10100 Месяц назад +1

      It’s because they aren’t allowed to touch the IP that’s why ring of power is so hit and miss pretty much everything from the first age is off limits

    • @jasonlim7427
      @jasonlim7427 25 дней назад

      @@thebunz7 who else but Peter jackson with a huge budget could pull this off.

  • @davyhh396
    @davyhh396 9 месяцев назад +27

    A film about the first age could be excellent

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +6

      It could be if done right. I don’t know if Amazon has the rights but I’d volunteer to write it if they do. I seem about qualified for them 🤔😅

    • @YoutubeChannel-ol7zx
      @YoutubeChannel-ol7zx 9 месяцев назад +2

      I love the cautious “could”. I too am traumatised after Amazon😂

    • @AustinNickolaus-m2r
      @AustinNickolaus-m2r 5 месяцев назад

      @@FairlyFictional😂😂😂😂

    • @denislanza6228
      @denislanza6228 Месяц назад

      The rights to The Silmarillion have never been sold to anyone. Thus far, the Tolkien estate will not part with it. While if done correctly, it would be amazing, this is not the time or place for it. I literally saw a female Chinese elf in ROP in the Battle of Eregion! The black elf Arondir wasn't enough diversity in Elf kind. So yea. It would be destroyed by identity politics and an overt social agenda that trumps story and faithfulness to the original material every time. Maybe someday that will change.

  • @Galadriel_De_Beauvoir
    @Galadriel_De_Beauvoir 9 месяцев назад +11

    What an amazing video! Great work. It's so nice to see Tolkien's lore treated so well

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks for the praise, Galadriel. I’m glad you approve. I was quite happy with how these images turned out. Who would you like to see a video on next?

    • @Galadriel_De_Beauvoir
      @Galadriel_De_Beauvoir 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@FairlyFictional Lúthien and Beren story would be dope

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      I’ll add it to the list 👍🏼

  • @luccasdubai
    @luccasdubai 9 месяцев назад +4

    Awesome video, loved every minute

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

  • @joechang8696
    @joechang8696 21 день назад +1

    It is unfortunate that Tolkien later said there were probably not more than 7 balrogs. Two fell at Gondolin.
    It is not said how many Valar and Maiar came, aside from Eonwe. I am thinking Tulkas would definitely have come. Eonwe was the mightiest in arms of the Maiar should be greater than any of the balrogs and Tulkas should easily crush a balrog.
    The greatest of the high elves presumably cannot defeat a balrog but a few of them together could probably keep one at bay.
    If a few other Maiar came with Eonwe, then the five remaining balrogs of 7 plus Sauron should not have been able to withstand the host of the west for thirty years. I am thinking there should have been more than 5, though not hundreds. Once the bulk of them were destroyed, the remaining would have seen the war was lost.
    I imagine the nature of the battles/war is that the high elves could easily defeat any force of men or orc, work as a team on the trolls, or if a weather magic was available, bring out the sunlight negating the trolls.
    The greatest elves could keep excess balrogs at bay, while Eonwe and Tulkas broke the strength of the balrogs.
    Both of them could probably withstand the winged dragons, but not the others, hence withdrew in good order.
    One of the dragon's powers is the ability to mesmerize, though probably not against Maiar.
    Earendil wearing the Silmaril had proof against this power of the dragon and Ancalagon was probably mesmerized by it

  • @astralclub5964
    @astralclub5964 9 месяцев назад +1

    This was an awesome episode of the War of Wrath!

  • @pinoysilentrider3621
    @pinoysilentrider3621 9 месяцев назад +6

    Long waiting for a movie of 1st Age 🙏🙏🙏

  • @aleiferthenorthman7935
    @aleiferthenorthman7935 Месяц назад +5

    is there SOMETHING george martin didn't copy paste to his books ? i am not familiar with any books. but the more i watch GoT and LOTR lore the more names, gods, values, pretty much everything was copied by tolkien's books....he made it shorter and not as complicated but all the trademarks are there

  • @sonnybill8271
    @sonnybill8271 2 месяца назад +4

    Are JRR Tolkiens initial Books of Middle Earth protected? Because The Melkor age needs to be brought to the Cinematic Universe, its an absolute Bad Ass story line, From Eru and the Valar (14 Ainur) to Melkor defying Eru and eventually becoming Morgoth, to Sauron becoming his Successor, I just cant believe no one has ever thought of Bringing this to light, unless Tolkien has this part of his Middle Earth Books protected then that would make sense,
    However, if there is one Director that can do it, it Absolutely has to be Peter Jackson, his experience, prowess and knowledge of Tolkien Books is unmatched, The Melkor age would be action packed, Dark and thrilling to the Audience, I absolutely Love The Lord of The Rings Trilogy, an absolute stand alone master piece, but if this Story Line was to be made a Cinematic Project, Oh My God! It would have the potential to be just as good or even Better than LOTR trilogy which has stood the test of time
    Im getting Goosebumps just thinking about it 😂 Please MR JACKSON 🙏🏽 make this HAPPEN!

    • @michaelmichaelagnew8503
      @michaelmichaelagnew8503 Месяц назад

      There are no female hero's so they wont do it.

    • @endmostdavis
      @endmostdavis 9 дней назад

      I believe the reason Rings of Power deviates so much from the source text is because they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion. So unfortunately I don't think they'd be able to depict the story of Morgoth. It would be amazing I agree.

  • @rikk319
    @rikk319 9 месяцев назад +2

    Some poetic license here. The Valar were never driven back by Morgoth's forces, they were utterly victorious. You make it sound like Earendil saved Manwe, Orome, and all the rest of the Valar, Maia, when Earendil was just one among all the Host of the West who wrecked Morgoth and his armies.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      Hi, thanks for the comment.
      It is not actually specified that any specific Valar took part in the war. It is stated that elven forces of Ingwe and the Noldor, led by Finarfin, alongside Men who "fought upon the part of the Valar".
      Only Eonwe, who is a Maiar herald of Manwe is mentioned as going to the War, and it is not stated that he fought.
      Also regarding Ancalagon, it is written:
      "and so sudden and ruinous was the onset of that dreadful fleet that the host of the Valar was driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire."
      "Before the rising of the sun, Earendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin. Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and well-nigh all the dragons were destroyed."

  • @markoconnor523
    @markoconnor523 9 месяцев назад +1

    very well done. good WWE wrestling voice for the narration. I would make Vingilot a little bigger in the art. Earendil had a crew with him when he reached valinor.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks, Mark. I’m glad you enjoyed. Yeh I made Vingilot a bit smaller so it didn’t fill up too much of the image. And it gave me a slight Silver Surfer feel having it smaller and more agile to fight the dragons 😅.

  • @haydukelivesforeversomrtim8173
    @haydukelivesforeversomrtim8173 9 месяцев назад +4

    That was badass son! Great content

  • @sonofjay817
    @sonofjay817 Месяц назад

    "Thrust out into the timeless void". I shudder to think of it. Sounds a lot like Hell.

  • @Fluffy_Penguin727
    @Fluffy_Penguin727 9 месяцев назад +5

    What website or program you used for the AI art?

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +4

      It’s a combination of dall-e, SD and photoshop. The images all have extra work involved and it’s not just a simple output. It actually takes some time.

  • @flankspeed
    @flankspeed 9 месяцев назад

    Ok, having sat thru this awesome presentation, I shall give The Silmarrillion one more try 😂

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +1

      Haha thanks. Well if you enjoy the read, you’re welcome. But if you find it a struggle you’ll have to wait for me to make videos of the other stories 😝

  • @cambuxton6835
    @cambuxton6835 3 месяца назад +4

    Morgoth was defeated but not destroyed. He is still around somewhere. His return was a great threat to Sauron . Sauron was CONSTANTLY worried of his return. He wanted to defeat Morgoth and be the ruler of the world. Sauron asked for people to serve him and destroy those who refused him. Such a pitiful way to ask for help in dealing with Morgoth. Sadly it was the wrong way to approach people too.

  • @Colincamera363
    @Colincamera363 8 месяцев назад +1

    Pretty sure Eärendil went to Valinor to help save not just the elves, but also the humans as well.

  • @RicoThingol
    @RicoThingol 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great job

  • @pmophy17421
    @pmophy17421 9 месяцев назад

    The image of Earendil's little row boat doesn't really fit the description of his "majestic sky ship"...

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Haha yeh I know. But I felt like it looked better with him more the focus than a huge ship filling the image 😅
      Any boat that flies is pretty majestic I think 🙄

  • @landofalwayswinter666
    @landofalwayswinter666 2 месяца назад +1

    This is excellent.

  • @garycook5071
    @garycook5071 9 месяцев назад +2

    Don’t forget the War of Wrath lasted 40 years

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, I think the start and end dates of the war were mentioned. I might have to create a separate video to cover the whole war, instead of just Morgoth's defeat.

  • @logictotalwar1201
    @logictotalwar1201 29 дней назад +1

    Fuck8ng Amazing video Bro 😎 this is Awesome 👌

  • @Drrunken
    @Drrunken Месяц назад +6

    This 7 minute video is better than then 2 seasons of the Rings of Power on Prime..

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  Месяц назад

      Thank you. I will have to take your word for it as i haven’t watched it 😅🙄.

  • @christophersanchez7731
    @christophersanchez7731 9 месяцев назад +1

    Sauron was more like Lucifer who at the beginning thought that he would bring better order to the world than God, under his rule
    Morgoth was a bit different, while a bit like what Satan was after his fall
    Morgoth in the beginning wanted to create like the other Valar, to be revered and worshipped, all while having agency in creation and to rule
    But when he manifested in Arda in physical form, he appeared as the Dark Lord Morgoth
    And his power can only corrupt and ruin, leading to the creation of fell monsters like the Orcs
    He began to realize that was all what he was created for, that he has no real place in creation like The other Valar
    So he spitefully sought to destroy Eru Alluvatar’s creation, for the sake of destroying all life and make it ruin
    For Morgoth like Satan after his fall, knew his story was broken that his fate is all there is, to be creation’s villian. Despite kmoring all that, he kept fighting anyway, he created monsters split his own power to empower them, and no real plan besides spiteful destruction and ruin, to erase light from Arda.
    Sauron had more of a plan. He followed Morgoth out of Loyalty and may have thought his master can help fulfill his goals
    Sauron didn’t want to destroy creation, he was at heart a builder, and saw creation through the eyes of a builder, and saw flaws. He saw creation under the Valar was flawed, especially how free will and the separation of races, would cause conflict and turmoil
    If Men, Dwarves, and Elves didn’t have a common enemy in Orcs and Dark Lords, they’ll be fighting eachother
    Sauron at the start didn’t want to conquer the world through destruction. He sought using the Rings of Power to bind free will of the leaders of the races, to his control and control the world through them, creation a new order that’s efficient under his rule
    The failure of the Rings controlling Dwarves, and Elves, fell apart the plan, and Sauron had to turn to conquest to do it. And later lost his physical form to intervene, when he lost the One Ring (in movies not books as he simply retreated )
    Morgoth was like a mad dog lashing out until the Valar can’t ignore him and intervened to cause his fall
    But at the start of it, Morgoth simply wanted to have a part of creation, to rule yes, but also create and have agency in creation which wasn’t in the cards for him. As if he was truly created to become the first Dark Lord

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      A fine summary 👍🏼. Thanks for the effort. So who do you prefer? Sauron or Morgoth?

    • @christophersanchez7731
      @christophersanchez7731 9 месяцев назад

      @@FairlyFictional I suppose Sauron, he may never defeat the Valar, but his cunning is more dangerous than his raw power.
      In truth he would have at least won Middle Earth if he hadn’t either lost his Ring, or got it back before the end. Even separated from the Ring, and at least in movie version was unable to interact physically. He still plots and schemes, and manipulates so many others foe and pawn alike.
      The fall of Numenor alone highlights his threat. Despite having at the height of his godlike power with the One Ring, he surrendered to Numenor.
      Morgoth would have tried to destroy the city with armies and may have lost with Numenor’s might.
      But Sauron didn’t use magic or armies against them, he allowed himself to be taken prisoner and used the pride of the Numenorians to win them over. Going from prisoner, to adviser of the High King, and began to make the Numenorians not only worship himself but fallen Morgoth.
      Such a fall was such a threat, the Valar had to break their vow of noninterference and make Numenor sink.
      As flawed at the Rings of Power series was, the one thing they did right was Sauron’s portrayal
      He allowed himself to be thought of as a lowly man, to be taken prisoner, to be beaten up, endure failure, yet patiently took it in, and played his role until the end.
      That’s Sauron, who would have conquered the world with his patience and cunning, with magic as a supplement to his title as Lord of the Rings, and successor of Morgoth as the Dark Lord.

    • @Thehuntress404
      @Thehuntress404 9 месяцев назад

      Sauron was bad

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Yeh if only Sauron decided to turn Isildur into a pancake with that hefty mace of his instead of messing around.

    • @Dante-vf4sd
      @Dante-vf4sd 21 день назад

      I don't think Melkor was created to be a dark Lord, he had free will but chose a different song through pride just like Sauron saw perfect order before Melkor but chose his own version of order through pride, both rejecting following the true God to be their own gods

  • @JoeHunter-cj6rp
    @JoeHunter-cj6rp 4 месяца назад +1

    Nice video

  • @Eddiedoherty22
    @Eddiedoherty22 17 дней назад +1

    This is absolutely refreshing after that Amazon garbage! Thanks 👏

  • @Vakaria-plays
    @Vakaria-plays 9 месяцев назад

    My LOTR lore is a bit rusty, but isnt there a rumor or hint that Morgoth might have escaped the void through Sauron when the two beings. ''according to the hint/rumor'' emerged and became one? But then again there is also the rumor that Sauron isnt Sauron at all anymore, and that he is possessed by the spirit or Morgoth who thus lives through him? Or is that only a fan theory? I just recall hearing it being hinted at in Tolkiens own material that many LOTR channels have talked about, but i am not sure of it.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      That's an interesting theory, but not one I have heard of if I am honest. I suspect it could be fan theory, without watching those videos myself.

    • @ghyslainabel
      @ghyslainabel 9 месяцев назад

      I think Tolkien hinted that Melkor will return and be killed by Túrin Turambar, son of Húrin.

    • @philippes.9571
      @philippes.9571 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@ghyslainabel It was supposed to happen during the Dagor Dagorath (the Final Battle, the equivalent of Apocalypse in Tolkien World). But it seemed that Tolkien abandonned the idea of Dagor Dagorath in his final thoughts about is Lgendarium.....

  • @jeffbergstrom
    @jeffbergstrom 9 месяцев назад +4

    Waaaay too short. Misses a lot of the story. I like the style.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks. I wanted to keep it relatively short to give a high level story for the casual viewer while I try out the style which I’m glad you liked.
      I will plan to do longer videos in the future and will probably go into more depth to include Elwing and the Sons of Feanor etc.
      at the moment I’m still testing lots of things still as it takes quite some time creating images to go with every step of the story to see what people like best.

    • @jeffbergstrom
      @jeffbergstrom 9 месяцев назад

      @@FairlyFictional Fair enough. I think most LOTR fans like the deep dive but, I suppose, there are those who like the short version.
      Something for you to sort out. All the best..

  • @philippes.9571
    @philippes.9571 8 месяцев назад

    Artwoks are very impressive ! (although i think Morgoth is too handsome compared to the (non)-description of Tolkien that stated that Morgoth physical form was terrifying and terrible)

  • @redbarchetta8782
    @redbarchetta8782 2 месяца назад

    The images are wrong, he was human, not elf.

  • @FourthFloorParkour
    @FourthFloorParkour 2 месяца назад

    Why is Earendil in a row boat?

  • @KingArthur1369
    @KingArthur1369 2 месяца назад

    i just can't get this can someone please asnwer and help me? why was or how was morgoth killed when sauron which is weaker was kinda immortal? we saw in the rings of power ((SPOILER forEP1 of SE2)) sauron literally cameback from death or from nothing as a demi god... but morgoth was simply killed even though he was a GOD?? come onnnn it dosen't make sense i need answers pleaseeeee :(

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  2 месяца назад +2

      I wouldn’t take anything on Rings of Power seriously. But Morgoth was not killed either. He was only imprisoned by the Valar.

    • @KingArthur1369
      @KingArthur1369 2 месяца назад

      @@FairlyFictional First 1- thank you for the response and 2-that is a wierd thing to say from you who's channel is based on LOTR XD and 3-so basiclly after the ending they can make an story which morgoth becomes free and attacks again and brings a new war and new age and elves are gone forever so it's up to humans and dwarfs to fend morgoth etc etc...Right? i mean we always see prisoned villans escape or being free by some other villans or for some reasons and also at the beganing or the Rings of power Season 2 episode 1 you are right cus sauron never said he is dead he said morgoth is gone so i am wondering now... why didn't orcs or sauron or basically anyone freed morgoth???

    • @thefetts11
      @thefetts11 Месяц назад

      ​@KingArthur1369 Rings of Amazon is NOT Tolkien.
      They only bought 10% of the rights, so 90% is made up junk.
      Just fyi.😎

    • @vitorbalistierofigliolia5294
      @vitorbalistierofigliolia5294 Месяц назад

      @@KingArthur1369 To answer in the straightest way possible: no one tried to free Morgoth because Morgoth was cast away in an unreachable zone called the Timeless Void. He is outside of the world, beyond anyone's grasp. I would guess not even the Valar are able to fetch him back anymore.

  • @freitasluan56
    @freitasluan56 9 месяцев назад

    What’s the name of the song?

  • @lordbalok6298
    @lordbalok6298 9 месяцев назад

    NO! That was not the final fate of the Silmarils! I'm sorry, but that was error filled.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Hi, this video was focussed on Morgoth, not the Silmarils. The full story of the Silmarils would be in another video.
      Do let me know what other errors you thought there are.

  • @MrZohtan
    @MrZohtan 2 месяца назад +1

    So morgoth isn't dead? Just prisoned to another dimension 🤷🏻‍♂️🫣🤷🏻‍♂️???

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  2 месяца назад +1

      That’s true. It didn’t say dead anywhere did it?

    • @MrZohtan
      @MrZohtan 2 месяца назад

      @@FairlyFictional 🫣 I'm asking, because I don't know nothing about lore, just from the movies, this video and maybe a few other I watched yet

    • @FourthFloorParkour
      @FourthFloorParkour 2 месяца назад

      Ya he is destined to return for a final fight similar to ragnarok where Eru ultimately deals with all evil and remakes the world

  • @adrienutah
    @adrienutah 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nice video, but Barad-dûr wasn’t built until the second age.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Hi, I believe the only reference to Barad-Dur was in reference to Sauron fighting at the Last Alliance. It was a comparative statement.

  • @DouglasBull-i6w
    @DouglasBull-i6w Месяц назад

    This is so inspired by the bible morgoth as Lucifer

  • @WEAPONX4S
    @WEAPONX4S 2 месяца назад +1

    If I had one moment in ‘POWER OF THE RINGS’ I might get excited. Love ❤️ all you keeping Tolkien true.
    Amazon ain’t it.

  • @Ron-c4t1o
    @Ron-c4t1o 2 месяца назад

    I've noticed

  • @ir8free
    @ir8free 9 месяцев назад

    superb narration, disregarding the mispronounced names

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks. What names are you referring to? I’m never quite sure if there’s an exact correct pronunciation and people probably imagine them differently in their heads. Even in the movies some names are pronounced different depending who says them. Just like in real life really 🤔. People from different places say things slightly differently.

  • @sasak9794
    @sasak9794 9 месяцев назад

    It allways strike to ne how only Tolkien depicted dragons as beings of pure evil and horor, while almost all other work of fantasy, books or movies, shows them as some romantic creatures, friends to man, or some other stupid thing.

    • @FairlyFictional
      @FairlyFictional  9 месяцев назад

      I guess they could never shake off the evil Morgoth poured into them.. would be cool to see good dragons though.

    • @sasak9794
      @sasak9794 9 месяцев назад

      @@FairlyFictional they are created evil,Tolkien never amnest any of evil being..a devouted catholic, he never compromised with that. Yet, much have fallen in to darkness.

    • @timesupea
      @timesupea 4 месяца назад

      Dragons are usually evil and were evil in those days. Dragons being nice to humans is a modern thing and very rarely found in ancient times, at least in the West. Only in the East were snakes and dragons good

    • @ibrahimsultanov7355
      @ibrahimsultanov7355 2 месяца назад

      If there are still people in our world who call someone else's opinion "stupidity" simply because, apparently, humanity is hopeless.

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      @ibrahimsultanov7355 2 месяца назад

      @@sasak9794 The hypocrisy of Catholicism knows no bounds, which has been repeatedly proven by history and is easily found in their own teachings. Why, for example, is it good and noble that Orome is a hunter, that is, an animal killer? He kills creatures that are defenseless, and he doesn't do it for food or self-defense, he just kills for fun, that's what hunting is all about. Why is it good and right that Manwe condemned the elves, forbidding them to return to Valinor, as a result of which they sank many ships that sailed to ask for help? Why didn't anyone punish them for killing innocent people? Why is it that when Ulmo does not obey Manwe, it is good, and when Melkor does the same, it is bad?