@@SuperMogulhow so? If you were around then you could see how he had copied ja's formula. Even in real time people (myself included) was saying it. But 50 was a force and it didn't matrer
Mel isn't talking about the singing. He's saying that Ja was going hard because of 50 cent. He's still wrong yho. Ja wasn't copying 50, but he definitely started going hard in videos again because of 50 clowning him. The funny thing is, 50 was copying jarule's love song formula heavy by that point.
it was cool. a bit corny, even at that time. I know exactly what Melle is talking about because I felt the same way. It felt like Rule was trying too hard
Fat Joe gave Ja that record and it did exactly what it was supposed to do, it was a diss track to 50. Jay-Z’s NY record was a pop song for award shows and New Year’s Eve parties. Context matters there is a reason why Jay-Z didn’t have Alicia Keys singing a hook for take over when he was batting Nas
No wonder that song was so wack af … If Fat Joe gave it to Ja? Fat Joe is 1 of the most wack af rappers of all-time. That song was so weak, I never knew it was a diss song
@@yo3rdtier128 50 was openly going after anyone that worked with Ja. That song was a lifeline from Joe to save Ja’s career. When the song was new it got heavy play in the clubs. Drunk people from NY like yelling that they are from NY
New York was never a diss to 50. It was about bigging up NY. Yes took a dig at Fif about Snitch take off your wire, but Fif did the same on most of his records at that time.
Mel full of it. He dissed nas and nas been the only guy holding rap and hip hop in it's true art form. Making music that forces you to think about not only our own life, but in society as a whole. They tried to blackball my dawg and he still came out on top. Respect to the God son.
But 50 actually copied Ja in a way. The video for 21 Questions was a copy of the video for Put It On Me. Ja Rule did the love songs because they sold the most, and 50 clowned him. After Get Rich Or Die Tryin', 50 started doing more love songs because Gangsta Rap wasn't selling like that anymore. I like both artists but lets be real.
You are deaf go listen to The Massacre and Get Rich Soundtrack, where is the love song ? fool, Pac and Dmx made love songs so they copied Ja Rule or somebody else ?
I dont think any of this was particularly copying. Folks just doing music. Some things just similar . i mean 2 artists can cover simalar topics, features , some times a sound just catches on. Its not always direct copying but there could be influence or waves. both 50 and Ja had been around for awhile thru various waves
@@DLabri3I'd argue it's copying because it's more or less the same style ja got hot with....and the fact 50 clowned ja for it but ran with it himself. It's not like say nelly who had a sing song style too but his style was closer to bone .
No, Melle is wrong. The reason New York isn't as big as Empire State of Mind is because New York is a straight hip-hop song and Empire State of Mind is hip-hop and r&b with Alicia Keys. If Empire State of Mind didn't have a female voice singing on it, it wouldn't be a big song. I've seen people of all races and ages love Empire State of Mind. Only hip-hop heads like New York.
Ja Rule never tried to copy 50 Cent. 50 Cent tried to copy Ja Rule singing on hooks, doing duets, making songs for women, etc after making fun and clowning Ja Rule for doing the exact thing.
Then when can say Ja took Pac n X style. Nigga went bald, started wearing bandannas n being shirtless n mimicked his flow and voice like X on his songs
@ Exit 17 I Don't Pull Up Everytime I Usually Scroll Pass Half The Time But I Get What You Saying & You Rite It Works Ain't No Such Thing As Bad Publicity 💯💯
I think Mel was sniffing those white lines he was talking about back in the 80s. everyone knows 50 got his style from Ja. That's a fact. He perfected it so well that he went diamond on his first album.
@@toneriggz "New York" is Ja's attempt at being gangsta in the way 50 would be. Even the chorus sounds like some shit 50 would say. That's Melle Mel's point. Ja went out of his lane to make "New York" to seem more gangsta as a response to 50 clowning him. But in actual fact, what Ja did was really play himself out.
At this point dude is just saying shit. He don’t know whether he wants rap to be conscious or street or partying or bragging rights. He was saying how Jay wasn’t shit now he’s claiming Ja’s New York didn’t hit cause he was trying to sound like 50??? I can’t lol
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba how so Ja Rule definitely did not take 50 style. It looks like it was the other way around or you forgot Ja Rule came out first as an artist he was hard-core then started doing the melodic flows which made him more money
I remember people thought Ja Rule was trying to be like Tupac and DMX at first, but he ended up proving himself as a major artist. He came out before 50 Cent and 50 made the song Wangsta dissin Ja Rule and that's when Ja Rule fell off.
@@hiphoprbloverjon9180one of my fave diss lines was kiss saying how 50's biggie songs are fake and he (kiss) did real joints with him. You know that had to hurt 50.
Everyone wanted to be Pac lol just like most hoopers of that generation wanted to be like Jordan. However Ja tried a little too hard to be like Pac lol
There aren’t too many rappers or even musicians who re-defined their entire style and sound more often than 2pac did. Listen to his first and then to his last album. That’s evolution.
I liked "New York" but it was mainly because of Joe and kiss verses but ja did his think too. Jay in my top 5 but I liked "NY" better than "empire state of mind"
He's saying Ja copied 50 Cent with his NY song, but he should've done it like Jay-Z???? Jay-Z's version came out like 5 years later though.... OMG the captivity!!!!!
If ja was smart and went the route J went originally he would be better off instead of rapping a 100 guns a 100 clips which later on ended up in prison for gun possession Another case of your music becomes reality
@@exit1763you do know the chorus is homage to KRS One right? And if rule had released empire state of mind feat. Ashanti, it still would have flopped. His time was up regardless
@The CunninLynguist Why the h*** would you put a Atlanta singer on a New York base anthem ? I never said nothing about putting a ashanti on the song Smh
Can we get the full interview as one video? Watching them in pieces seems to give a conflicting narrative of what he's saying between each video and it would be nice to see it all to have the full context.
Gangsta Rap IS NOT Organic ANYMORE! Kids R doin stupid ignorant stuff Intentionally JUST to have content to Rap about, Fools R moving TO the HOOD on purpose to start a RAP career or STAYING IN THE HOOD to feeel Relevant! SAD. Hip Hop is dead, but the BS that came with it LATER in THIS Era IS STILL ALIVE! Conscious messages are despised nowdays as it was written.
50 cent, first album you can tell how hungry he was when it came to putting his rhymes together, they were well thought out, but once cokecola bought his vitamin water for 400 million, 50 seemed to have gotten lazy on the pin,
Those are two different records even tho they have the same theme. One was created for the streets and the other for the masses hence the artists that were featured. One from an artist at his height and the other from an artist at his lowest- they were NOT gonna hit the same. This guy is a mess…
I don’t think Ja copied 50. Ja was doing the singing and hardcore rapping style first, like “Let’s Ride” which was released a few months before 50’s “How to Rob”
He was a battle rapper first. He did that song with Christina Milian and went thru the roof and kept that flow. Especially since he kept being compared to DMX and Pac.
@@ransom6892 never heard Mel say anything about singing, he said Ja tried to make that NY record hard core to match 50s hard core sound. That's what I heard Mel say, don't know where he mentioned singing
I totally get what he's saying. The rap game NEEDS BALANCE! A tru artist should have a full meal to serve, not just cheap chips & candy & stuff. A lil hard street stuff over here, important relatable messages here, party music there & overall fun music. It's way too much BS being produced & it does send the youth off, killing them. People focus too much attention on the artists Mel named instead of getting "the message"💯
Ja Rule was out before 50 Cent, so how did Ja Rule copy 50. I'm a 80s baby, what I can't understand is why these old heads like Big Gipp, Spice 1, Molly Mell are hating on others. Like Big Gipp hating on Jay-Z, what he mad he didn't get feature? They both came out around the same time, where was this energy then. These cats are just saying shit to go viral and get attention. Melly Mell only got two songs from 40yrs ago.
Nah, 50 ridiculed Ja Rule for singing on all of his records, then turned around and became an R&B rap singer himself..50 also copied Tupac but claimed Ja was copying Tupac and the public fell for the okie doke. 💯💯
How? 21 questions just has song pattern " I just wanna chill and twist the LAH Catch stunts in my 7-45 " On the hand Ja : "WHAT WOULD I BE WITHOUT MY BAABBBBYYYY , EVERY THUG NEEDS A LAAAAAADDDDDDYYYYY" ITS MURDAAAAAAA Completely different in content
you mean ja fell for it... he should've ignored 50 and keep doing his singing shit cuz it was working. But he let 50 get in his head and tried to switch to some gangsta shit and fell tf off
Ja rule was not even closw to 50 cent. 50 cent was singing in his songs since 1996. 50's first song "the glow of a thug" has him him singing. 1990's 50 cent was copied by Jay Z and ja rule who were both under irv. Check.50 cent 1997 demo album on youtube. The Jay Z vol 2 1998 album has 50 cent flow and lyrical content from that demo album. Jay Z and irv used to.listen to 50 cent content he did under jam.master jay's label then copy ut. Ja rule nor Jay Z have an album as good as Power of the Dollar by 50 cent. T
He’s talking about the song NY. Ja came back from the singing records and did a G-Unit harder type song. But that was Fat Joe’s record that he gave to Ja.
EVERYTHING this man said within the first 60 seconds of this clip is EXACTLY WHY the Industry Phases Out the O.G's and Ostracized Rap with Actual Content.....giving us What We Have Today smh
Respect To The OG Melle Mel But He's Wrong Ja Rule Never Copied 50. Why Would Ja Rule Copy Him If Ja Was Already On And Popping Before 50. Ja Made Hit Records So 50 Took Ja's Style And Ran With It The Candy Shop Record & 50 Copied Ja Rule's Put It On Me Music Video Concept And Used It On His Own Video 21 Questions. New York Is A Dope Song Even 50 Himself Said That Song Was Hot
No lol 50 dives into way more topics than ja and is more versatile he even has a reggae song with Sean paul when has ja ever wrote a song as introspective as a Baltimore love thing
@@slimeballmk6656 your opinion based on your perspective and vice versa…50 gets boring to me just like a lot of other rappers that folk put at the top…i don’t do reggae, therefore, i wouldn’t know…for me, Ja has the deeper conversation with me than 50 does…50s lyrics are basic and predictable to me
He's 100% correct! I remember. JaRule came across as a angry migdet than a gangsta rapper. The whole world was laughing at JaRule period! Because he was trying to be hard after 7 years of making love songs. Nobody was buying it
@@LongLiveJoseph For Rule, that's flop status. Melle is 100% right. If you were there, you would know exactly what he's talking about. @ksn, REAL TALK. Rule lowkey played himself out by releasing that song.
@@LongLiveJoseph In some cases your right but you have to admit to live in violence is one thing but to rap about it makes it worse it makes my people look uncivilized .
OG showing his age Ja Rule was out way befor 50 singing. But then 50 was singing on power of a dollar. And JA Rule definitely had a way longer music run
@@lungamase Ja didn't come into the rap game making Pop Rap though and even when he was making those Pop Rap type songs he was still making those harder type rap songs.
This just went over a lot of people’s heads in the comments. Most rappers who became 😢mainstream back in those days always listened to and stayed in the underground hip hop scene. That’s how a lot of mainstream artists stayed relevant back then. They would take someone style and act like they came up with it. You hear all the time in these interviews. It’s not far fetched. I believe Ja might have heard a underground 50 cent some where and took a page out of his book. It’s not impossible. A lot of these guys was starting their careers when Tupac was alive and they bit his style after he died.
Ja rule been making street records, even before he started the singing thing..the new York song had nothing to do with copying 50. That doesn't even make any sense..anybody who followed both ja and 50 careers knows ja never mimicked anything 50 did...that's just facts..you can listen to the songs they were putting out and see that...I can see the tupac mimicking thing, that would make more sense, but ja copying 50 is dead in the water
Nah Ja Rule tried to copy Tupac and DMX. But Fif had the rap game in a chokehold teaming up with West Coast. Then finally South had something to say and Atlanta has been running it ever since 2010 era.
@@screechpryor So if someone sold the most records in a given year and then fell off, that makes them the greatest of all time?? Jay said on Vol 1 he'd never fall off, and he's still relevant today. That's greatness.
But 50 Cent harassed Ja Rule, talked about how corny he was for collaborating with Ashanti and clowned the whole Murda Inc. after he got the streets to turn on Ja Rule, here comes 50 Cent with songs like "Best Friend", "21 Questions", "I Wanna Get To Know You". He practically turned Joe into the male Ashanti.
50 did do similar records like Ja but 50 was still harder and was more street than Ja and that's real Frank Finesse 2 days ago (edited) 50 Cent is the Majin Buu of Hip-Hop, absorbing his opponents styles after battles
Melle Mel always a hater after ANYONE who rapped after him. He's a vet, we get it. But he needs to sit down with all the hating bullshit. "Look at all this beef on Social Media." Meanwhile, his ass ain't got on the mic in 35 years.
50 BEEN SIGNING ON HOOKS SINCE AND BEFORE GHETTO QURAN JA WAS TRYING TO RAP LIKE DMX !!!! Then he heard 50 melodies and switched His whole style !!!! Mfs who didn't know 50 or ja music before they got in the industry started saying 50 stole Ja style which was completely Wrong and backwards.
No, he's right. what he saying is, is that 50 at that moment was taking over and instead of Ja Rule acting like himself he went the tough route. You had to be there, because before that song, he was singing, love jangles with Ashanti in which he should've kept doing and ignored 50
Man this guy has some insights problem is with the way society is shallow nowadays few will listen. People will look only for the controversy and not for the substance behind his statements.
Lmao so him saying Ja copied 50 holds up even though it was the other way around? Lmao just because he's a pioneer doesn't mean he's right about everything or gets a pass for saying stupid shit.
Lol nah. It wasn't big cause ja was washed by then..50 already did damage. New York was a hot record though. There's a sequel with Nas on one of Khaled's albums called new york is back.
Communication Skills 101: You listen to the whole point a person is making without getting emotionally charged first. That's the biggest problem with social media. Most don't even deserve to be in the discussion because they spar off that one thing that conflicts with their understanding and dismiss the whole 2nd part and the overall point. He uses a lot of "conjunctions". Meaning you have to analyze both aspects to know what he's saying. If not, your take will be your own misinformation automatically. Example: Mike loves Dogs and Cats. But, currently owns a Dog. Someone will come out saying "Oh, You're hating on Cats! You're just biased because you own a Dog. When in fact Mike had a Cat that died and that's why he only has a Dog. 😂
Jarule did the singing harmonizing , when others didn’t. Now dam near all the younger rappers do what he did
Didn’t some people say 50 Cent was copying Ja Rule or am I wrong about that?
He was. Literally did all the ja style records after he got ja out the paint.
Your wrong
Yes. 50 Cent emulated Ja Rule’s formula.
@@SuperMogulhow so? If you were around then you could see how he had copied ja's formula. Even in real time people (myself included) was saying it. But 50 was a force and it didn't matrer
Yes, he did without a doubt dissed Ja rule and came in doing the same shyt
Fight for NY needs to come back with him as the final battle, in that same outfit 🤣
Mel was apart of the real-life version of those games tho. The Urban Wrestling Federation.
Mel isn't talking about the singing. He's saying that Ja was going hard because of 50 cent. He's still wrong yho. Ja wasn't copying 50, but he definitely started going hard in videos again because of 50 clowning him. The funny thing is, 50 was copying jarule's love song formula heavy by that point.
The cutscenes of him talking shit to your character would definitely be an experience 😂😂
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This is the first time ever that somebody said JA Rule was copying 50 😭😭😭
First Time Ever my nigga, Melly mel the only person that’s feels like this 😂
@@jackshabazz 😭😭😭 facts
Mellen is wrong for this one 50 copied Ja
I’m sorry but mel is just saying anything. He comes off a a low key hater
He’s out of touch
50 Cent is the Majin Buu of Hip-Hop, absorbing his opponents styles after battles
Good observation
Good point
Good way to put it
"madjin" boo 😭😭
I'm Goku in this MF
50 copied ja's style if anything, smh im.done with this fool
Ja, Joe and Kiss killed that New York track. That had NY written all over it IMO..
Production on that track was 🔥 then the rappers hit a home run, gets me amped everytime I hear it and I'm in England 🤣
Maybe he doesn't know about 50 paying radio stations to not let that track get the kind of air play that it TRULY deserved ....🤔
it was cool. a bit corny, even at that time. I know exactly what Melle is talking about because I felt the same way. It felt like Rule was trying too hard
@@tochiRTA what exactly was corny? That track wad fire and still is till this day... LEGENDARY !
That a classic track , Mel is tripping
Fat Joe gave Ja that record and it did exactly what it was supposed to do, it was a diss track to 50. Jay-Z’s NY record was a pop song for award shows and New Year’s Eve parties. Context matters there is a reason why Jay-Z didn’t have Alicia Keys singing a hook for take over when he was batting Nas
No wonder that song was so wack af … If Fat Joe gave it to Ja? Fat Joe is 1 of the most wack af rappers of all-time. That song was so weak, I never knew it was a diss song
@@yo3rdtier128 50 was openly going after anyone that worked with Ja. That song was a lifeline from Joe to save Ja’s career. When the song was new it got heavy play in the clubs. Drunk people from NY like yelling that they are from NY
@@yo3rdtier128 man shut the fuck up you sound dumb af.
New York was never a diss to 50. It was about bigging up NY. Yes took a dig at Fif about Snitch take off your wire, but Fif did the same on most of his records at that time.
@@sadiki227 He took a dig at 50 but it wasn’t a diss to 50? You sound bipolar
Mel full of it. He dissed nas and nas been the only guy holding rap and hip hop in it's true art form. Making music that forces you to think about not only our own life, but in society as a whole. They tried to blackball my dawg and he still came out on top. Respect to the God son.
Nas is overrated.
Facts
@@thickseed lol who’s your favorite rapper?
@@thickseed look around lil dawg. The entire human race is overrated.
Old man shxt
But 50 actually copied Ja in a way. The video for 21 Questions was a copy of the video for Put It On Me. Ja Rule did the love songs because they sold the most, and 50 clowned him. After Get Rich Or Die Tryin', 50 started doing more love songs because Gangsta Rap wasn't selling like that anymore. I like both artists but lets be real.
Exactly lol
You are deaf go listen to The Massacre and Get Rich Soundtrack, where is the love song ? fool, Pac and Dmx made love songs so they copied Ja Rule or somebody else ?
I dont think any of this was particularly copying. Folks just doing music. Some things just similar . i mean 2 artists can cover simalar topics, features , some times a sound just catches on. Its not always direct copying but there could be influence or waves. both 50 and Ja had been around for awhile thru various waves
@@DLabri3I'd argue it's copying because it's more or less the same style ja got hot with....and the fact 50 clowned ja for it but ran with it himself. It's not like say nelly who had a sing song style too but his style was closer to bone .
yes 50 stole ja's formula & the idiot fans fell 4 it 🙄
Everybody and they mama know 50 took Ja Rules blueprint for music
No, Melle is wrong.
The reason New York isn't as big as Empire State of Mind is because New York is a straight hip-hop song and Empire State of Mind is hip-hop and r&b with Alicia Keys.
If Empire State of Mind didn't have a female voice singing on it, it wouldn't be a big song.
I've seen people of all races and ages love Empire State of Mind.
Only hip-hop heads like New York.
Mel has a whole lot of opinions...
Ja Rule never tried to copy 50 Cent. 50 Cent tried to copy Ja Rule singing on hooks, doing duets, making songs for women, etc after making fun and clowning Ja Rule for doing the exact thing.
Then when can say Ja took Pac n X style. Nigga went bald, started wearing bandannas n being shirtless n mimicked his flow and voice like X on his songs
Go listen to 50 Power of a Dollar album & tell me who copied who
Thank you Fam!🫡💯
@@Kendrickalmar2 you sound like a groupie
@@msmayor34 Exactly.😒
Jay's empire was pure New York anthem Rules New York was more a street record two different energies
Word up 2 different vibes
Yes 1 features Fat Joe and Jadakiss l... The other 1 Alicia Keys.
Jay & Cam'ron already had the new York anthem
Damn Melly Melly, I doubt Ja Rule was tryna copy 50 cent. He had his sound way before 50, the hard and the singin.. 🤦🏿🤦🏿🙏🏾
Jay-Z song was big mainly because of Alicia Keys singing on it
At This Point He Jus Saying Anything Jus To Get Attention Smh.. If My Memory Is Correct I Believe 50 Was Copying Ja Wit The Singing Shit
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But it works tho
Y'all pull up every time
@ Exit 17 I Don't Pull Up Everytime I Usually Scroll Pass Half The Time But I Get What You Saying & You Rite It Works Ain't No Such Thing As Bad Publicity 💯💯
I think Mel was sniffing those white lines he was talking about back in the 80s. everyone knows 50 got his style from Ja. That's a fact. He perfected it so well that he went diamond on his first album.
Lmao nigga mel got that connect
Art of Dialogue is just letting these OG’s put their feet in their mouths.
He does sound bitter... 🤷🏿♂️
LOL!!
how? what he's saying is total facts for the most part.
@@tochiRTA Ja copying 50? Not true at all.
@@toneriggz "New York" is Ja's attempt at being gangsta in the way 50 would be. Even the chorus sounds like some shit 50 would say. That's Melle Mel's point. Ja went out of his lane to make "New York" to seem more gangsta as a response to 50 clowning him. But in actual fact, what Ja did was really play himself out.
At this point dude is just saying shit. He don’t know whether he wants rap to be conscious or street or partying or bragging rights. He was saying how Jay wasn’t shit now he’s claiming Ja’s New York didn’t hit cause he was trying to sound like 50??? I can’t lol
Lol fuhreal he all over the place, not articulating himself that well at all!
@@DjTriniyankee he’s articulating perfectly, y’all just too caught up in your feelings
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba how so Ja Rule definitely did not take 50 style. It looks like it was the other way around or you forgot Ja Rule came out first as an artist he was hard-core then started doing the melodic flows which made him more money
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba You're a 🤡 just like Melle Mel lmao. Willie D needs to knock his ass out again lmao.
legends losing respect the more they speak these days
Right
s da F up
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Cats be tweaking, G 🤣
Oh shiii now Melvin is going in on the cookie 🍪 monster. Lol
I remember people thought Ja Rule was trying to be like Tupac and DMX at first, but he ended up proving himself as a major artist. He came out before 50 Cent and 50 made the song Wangsta dissin Ja Rule and that's when Ja Rule fell off.
Jarule wanted to be Pac and Irv wanted to be Suge....
What up suge😂 -the pledge remix
Ja pretended to be hot He pretended to be Pac but Hes not
50 wanted to be Pac too. The tattoos, performing with a shirt off, rapping about being shot, talking sh*t at the end of diss songs, etc.
@@hiphoprbloverjon9180one of my fave diss lines was kiss saying how 50's biggie songs are fake and he (kiss) did real joints with him. You know that had to hurt 50.
Everyone wanted to be Pac lol just like most hoopers of that generation wanted to be like Jordan. However Ja tried a little too hard to be like Pac lol
“I’ll take you to the candy shop”
Naw the title is misleading I see Mel point
Classic
Lol that song was wack.
@@hitek9too255 Facts. Song was straight trash lmao
was for the Ladies why were you listening to it😭🤣 You probably bumped Magic stick too Weirdooo
Consciousness has its place in hip hop and he was hating on Nas....come on Mel
There aren’t too many rappers or even musicians who re-defined their entire style and sound more often than 2pac did. Listen to his first and then to his last album. That’s evolution.
it's like a jungle sometimes that makes me wonder how i keep from going under
He has no idea how big is Ja’s New York worldwide, I have no time to explain.
I liked "New York" but it was mainly because of Joe and kiss verses but ja did his think too. Jay in my top 5 but I liked "NY" better than "empire state of mind"
It's funny to think the beef with lox and terror squad came from this record 😂 50 was so petty man
@@thecunninlynguist when did Lox and Terror squad have beef? Never heard that
Cam Welcome to Nyc was dope too
@@abc876 cause you don't know how to read.
@@abc876 He meant both camps havin' beef with 50. Not against each other. Remember Piggy Bank & all of the records after? It started with Ja's record
He's saying Ja copied 50 Cent with his NY song, but he should've done it like Jay-Z???? Jay-Z's version came out like 5 years later though.... OMG the captivity!!!!!
If ja was smart and went the route J went originally he would be better off instead of rapping a 100 guns a 100 clips which later on ended up in prison for gun possession
Another case of your music becomes reality
@@exit1763you do know the chorus is homage to KRS One right? And if rule had released empire state of mind feat. Ashanti, it still would have flopped. His time was up regardless
@The CunninLynguist Why the h*** would you put a Atlanta singer on a New York base anthem ?
I never said nothing about putting a ashanti on the song
Smh
Ja Rule tried to be Tupac not 50 Cent. 50 Cent didn't hit main stream until 2003. He was a underground rapper. 50 Cent destroyed Ja Rule career.
Ja Rule also tried to copy DMX too
@@stevenblackleyjr1098 yes,true.
@@stevenblackleyjr1098 no he didn’t their flow isn’t the same at all y’all just say that shit cause they voice
Can we get the full interview as one video? Watching them in pieces seems to give a conflicting narrative of what he's saying between each video and it would be nice to see it all to have the full context.
That shit way too long to watch bruh I rather have it split with the caption to skip all the bs I don't want to hear
Gangsta Rap IS NOT Organic ANYMORE! Kids R doin stupid ignorant stuff Intentionally JUST to have content to Rap about, Fools R moving TO the HOOD on purpose to start a RAP career or STAYING IN THE HOOD to feeel Relevant! SAD. Hip Hop is dead, but the BS that came with it LATER in THIS Era IS STILL ALIVE! Conscious messages are despised nowdays as it was written.
50 cent, first album you can tell how hungry he was when it came to putting his rhymes together, they were well thought out, but once cokecola bought his vitamin water for 400 million, 50 seemed to have gotten lazy on the pin,
What he had more hits in 05 than 03 lol
@@slimeballmk6656 He said once Coca-cola bought out his vitamin water then 50 got lazy with the pen...His vitamin water was bought in 2007
He made more money outside of rap
Those are two different records even tho they have the same theme. One was created for the streets and the other for the masses hence the artists that were featured. One from an artist at his height and the other from an artist at his lowest- they were NOT gonna hit the same. This guy is a mess…
One song is for broadway and 42st. The other is for broadway and 142st. One for them one for us.
This is where the interview took a turn 👀 🫣
I don’t think Ja copied 50. Ja was doing the singing and hardcore rapping style first, like “Let’s Ride” which was released a few months before 50’s “How to Rob”
Obviously you don’t know Ja’s history, he was in a rap group called Cash Money Click, back in 94 before 50 even touched a mic
He was a battle rapper first. He did that song with Christina Milian and went thru the roof and kept that flow. Especially since he kept being compared to DMX and Pac.
@@DaGrimmOneOfficial You have low reading comprehension. I said Ja was singing commercially before 50. I’m well aware of the history of both.
@@ransom6892 😂😂
@@ransom6892 never heard Mel say anything about singing, he said Ja tried to make that NY record hard core to match 50s hard core sound. That's what I heard Mel say, don't know where he mentioned singing
I totally get what he's saying. The rap game NEEDS BALANCE! A tru artist should have a full meal to serve, not just cheap chips & candy & stuff. A lil hard street stuff over here, important relatable messages here, party music there & overall fun music. It's way too much BS being produced & it does send the youth off, killing them. People focus too much attention on the artists Mel named instead of getting "the message"💯
Rule came from that type of rap. OG need to know his own hiphop history
2 interview clips straight. No jay z or Tupac questions 👏 .
big ups to y'all @ Art of Dialogue! the best celeb conversation channel ❤
The title is misleading if you watch it and Digest it you can see Mel point
This us your BEST INTERVIEW 💯💯💯
Hip hop was representative. We had gangster, conscious, party, funny odb/redman, etc all getting equal AirPlay and shine. There was balance.
Ja Rule was out before 50 Cent, so how did Ja Rule copy 50. I'm a 80s baby, what I can't understand is why these old heads like Big Gipp, Spice 1, Molly Mell are hating on others. Like Big Gipp hating on Jay-Z, what he mad he didn't get feature? They both came out around the same time, where was this energy then. These cats are just saying shit to go viral and get attention. Melly Mell only got two songs from 40yrs ago.
If anything everyone owes LL a check.
Personally I prefer New York over Empire state of mind
Ja was out first and didn't copy dude. Dafuq is he talking about?
Nah, 50 ridiculed Ja Rule for singing on all of his records, then turned around and became an R&B rap singer himself..50 also copied Tupac but claimed Ja was copying Tupac and the public fell for the okie doke. 💯💯
Hell yeah all that beefing with industry niggas was Pac
How?
21 questions just has song pattern
" I just wanna chill and twist the LAH
Catch stunts in my 7-45 "
On the hand
Ja : "WHAT WOULD I BE WITHOUT MY BAABBBBYYYY , EVERY THUG NEEDS A LAAAAAADDDDDDYYYYY"
ITS MURDAAAAAAA
Completely different in content
you mean ja fell for it... he should've ignored 50 and keep doing his singing shit cuz it was working. But he let 50 get in his head and tried to switch to some gangsta shit and fell tf off
Wrong fif was singing before ja in 97
Nigga ain't copy pac you dudes are weird
I disagree…Ja been on that hardcore he was always a better rapper than 50 in my eyes.
exactly! mofos was just on 50 cause he was with Dre and trending at the time…from a musical standpoint, 50 ain’t touching Ja
I liked both. Those murder inc hits was my high school soundtrack
Ja rule was not even closw to 50 cent. 50 cent was singing in his songs since 1996. 50's first song "the glow of a thug" has him him singing.
1990's 50 cent was copied by Jay Z and ja rule who were both under irv.
Check.50 cent 1997 demo album on youtube.
The Jay Z vol 2 1998 album has 50 cent flow and lyrical content from that demo album.
Jay Z and irv used to.listen to 50 cent content he did under jam.master jay's label then copy ut.
Ja rule nor Jay Z have an album as good as Power of the Dollar by 50 cent.
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facts. If we being 1000 with it . Ja is a way better rapper than 50. Niggas just attribute Murder Inc/Ja Rule demise to 50 so they dickride 50.
Love Hov, but Alicia keys' hook is why it was bigger. It's gonna be a bigger commercial song.
It’s some guy’s out there with a message but they don’t get play etc
Mel wrong on this one. Ja Rule came out before 50 and was doing the singing thing before any rapper really. Give that man his flowers
He’s talking about the song NY. Ja came back from the singing records and did a G-Unit harder type song. But that was Fat Joe’s record that he gave to Ja.
Can't be no intellectual music NOBODY graduated or past 9 grade....
This interview is hit and miss. A lot of randomness.
The next clip will be about Tupac or jay z somehow 🤔. #random
I was like 🧐😂😂
Why would ja rule not sound hard on a “diss track?” Lol this aint a ballad!
EVERYTHING this man said within the first 60 seconds of this clip is EXACTLY WHY the Industry Phases Out the O.G's and Ostracized Rap with Actual Content.....giving us What We Have Today smh
Respect To The OG Melle Mel But He's Wrong Ja Rule Never Copied 50. Why Would Ja Rule Copy Him If Ja Was Already On And Popping Before 50. Ja Made Hit Records So 50 Took Ja's Style And Ran With It The Candy Shop Record & 50 Copied Ja Rule's Put It On Me Music Video Concept And Used It On His Own Video 21 Questions. New York Is A Dope Song Even 50 Himself Said That Song Was Hot
Uhhh ja wanted to be pac 2.0
Ja over 50 any day…he’s more creative, more versatile, and his content and range are wider
No lol 50 dives into way more topics than ja and is more versatile he even has a reggae song with Sean paul when has ja ever wrote a song as introspective as a Baltimore love thing
Word, nobody is ready to admit that though....to the masses 50 is this untouchable superman like figure.
@@Puffycmb
Exactly bruh
lol even Ja don't believe that
@@slimeballmk6656 your opinion based on your perspective and vice versa…50 gets boring to me just like a lot of other rappers that folk put at the top…i don’t do reggae, therefore, i wouldn’t know…for me, Ja has the deeper conversation with me than 50 does…50s lyrics are basic and predictable to me
Mel been speaking much needed manly wise words in these 3 minute clips!
He's 100% correct! I remember. JaRule came across as a angry migdet than a gangsta rapper. The whole world was laughing at JaRule period! Because he was trying to be hard after 7 years of making love songs. Nobody was buying it
people was still buying his shit on 04 bro. his album RULE went gold and the single wonderful went top 3 on the billboard 200
@@LongLiveJoseph For Rule, that's flop status. Melle is 100% right. If you were there, you would know exactly what he's talking about. @ksn, REAL TALK. Rule lowkey played himself out by releasing that song.
The only interesting thing about Melly Mel is him telling us,how he remained healthy n fit at 60 years.
He said that backwards but if it's Mel it has to make sense yeah 100 guns 100 clips a KRS one BDP record which Jarule remade🤣
these ogs just like to hate on the rap stars that made it bigger than them and get talked about more
@@LongLiveJoseph In some cases your right but you have to admit to live in violence is one thing but to rap about it makes it worse it makes my people look uncivilized .
Keep us posted ceddy. 👍👍👍 Fulton county turned to Alcatraz.. smh 🔪🔪🔪. 😨😨
OG showing his age Ja Rule was out way befor 50 singing. But then 50 was singing on power of a dollar. And JA Rule definitely had a way longer music run
What he saying ja should have stayed on pop rap not that new York song trying to be hard
@@lungamase just didn’t start doing pop songs…All the Cash Money Click and Holla, Holla was super street
@@lungamase Ja didn't come into the rap game making Pop Rap though and even when he was making those Pop Rap type songs he was still making those harder type rap songs.
@@marcspecial but he wasn't street that's why he did pop rap should have stayed there that's what Mel melle sayin🤣
@@slimjimmy4070 then should have stayed in that lane surely was working for him why he wanted to be harder again I blame Irv
Ja Rule "copying" 50 Cent is wild lmfao. Most people would say it was the other way around. 😕
This just went over a lot of people’s heads in the comments. Most rappers who became 😢mainstream back in those days always listened to and stayed in the underground hip hop scene. That’s how a lot of mainstream artists stayed relevant back then. They would take someone style and act like they came up with it. You hear all the time in these interviews.
It’s not far fetched. I believe Ja might have heard a underground 50 cent some where and took a page out of his book. It’s not impossible. A lot of these guys was starting their careers when Tupac was alive and they bit his style after he died.
Ja rule been making street records, even before he started the singing thing..the new York song had nothing to do with copying 50. That doesn't even make any sense..anybody who followed both ja and 50 careers knows ja never mimicked anything 50 did...that's just facts..you can listen to the songs they were putting out and see that...I can see the tupac mimicking thing, that would make more sense, but ja copying 50 is dead in the water
Aint no copying shizzle dey both makin music for that dough . This old niqqa must be blinded by their street fame.
If a catfish & a pimp had a baby…
I miss the Golden Era of HipHop!
Tbh I wish I was a teen or young adult around the golden era of hip hop instead of today's rap disposable era.
Nah Ja Rule tried to copy Tupac and DMX. But Fif had the rap game in a chokehold teaming up with West Coast. Then finally South had something to say and Atlanta has been running it ever since 2010 era.
Like I said since 1996 how many years has Jay-Z sold the most records still nobody wants to answer that
What? He's never sold the most records in any given year
@@thecunninlynguist so that's what I don't understand how is he the best I'm telling you this is New York biased
@@thecunninlynguist don't get me wrong New York has some good Lyricist it's just their beat selection isn't good
@@screechpryor So if someone sold the most records in a given year and then fell off, that makes them the greatest of all time?? Jay said on Vol 1 he'd never fall off, and he's still relevant today. That's greatness.
@@screechpryorwhoaa....lol do you mean present day NY? Cause 90s NY had that boom bap...
But 50 Cent harassed Ja Rule, talked about how corny he was for collaborating with Ashanti and clowned the whole Murda Inc. after he got the streets to turn on Ja Rule, here comes 50 Cent with songs like "Best Friend", "21 Questions", "I Wanna Get To Know You". He practically turned Joe into the male Ashanti.
interviews is so good because he’s actually let’s the person speak without interrupting
Ja did have records for the ladies that same year with rkelly and Lloyd. Og’s right however pushing New York wasn’t a good idea
the record with r kelly went top 3 on the billboard 200 so it still worked out
50 did do similar records like Ja but 50 was still harder and was more street than Ja and that's real
Frank Finesse
2 days ago (edited)
50 Cent is the Majin Buu of Hip-Hop, absorbing his opponents styles after battles
Ima huge 50 fan but ja rule didn't copy 50 ja was already a platinum artist by the time 50 really got put on
The longer the interview, the more the stories turn into hate and foolishness
Mel trippin
Melle Mel always a hater after ANYONE who rapped after him.
He's a vet, we get it. But he needs to sit down with all the hating bullshit.
"Look at all this beef on Social Media." Meanwhile, his ass ain't got on the mic in 35 years.
Only you soy boys call men who speak the truth haters
50 BEEN SIGNING ON HOOKS SINCE AND BEFORE GHETTO QURAN JA WAS TRYING TO RAP LIKE DMX !!!! Then he heard 50 melodies and switched His whole style !!!! Mfs who didn't know 50 or ja music before they got in the industry started saying 50 stole Ja style which was completely Wrong and backwards.
Exactly, JA fans are delusional, and it shows
@@Megahustla313rd facts he got obliterated like no other lol ! Took the biggest L in hip hop beef history.
💯🗣🤝🏾🔥 Melle Mel got some Hella facts points I'm with him on he right 🎯
Melle Mel 4 President
Mel is FACTS!!
Didn’t he shit on Kdot whose went multiple times platinum only spitting conscious rap
Yup lol
K-Dot is on some baroque conscious time. A lot of his stuff go over people's heads.
@@KtotheG true
Kendrick makes pretentious safe-negro music. Nothing conscious about it. Unless faux-conscious is your vibe.
No, he's right. what he saying is, is that 50 at that moment was taking over and instead of Ja Rule acting like himself he went the tough route. You had to be there, because before that song, he was singing, love jangles with Ashanti in which he should've kept doing and ignored 50
Bro Ja was doing hard records way before those Ashanti records. Look up cash money click…
He saying some real ish
Man this guy has some insights problem is with the way society is shallow nowadays few will listen. People will look only for the controversy and not for the substance behind his statements.
Lmao so him saying Ja copied 50 holds up even though it was the other way around? Lmao just because he's a pioneer doesn't mean he's right about everything or gets a pass for saying stupid shit.
Lol it's actually the other way around. Ja wanted to be pac,and 50 wanted to do what ja did after saying he hated him for it besides the personal bs.
Lol nah. It wasn't big cause ja was washed by then..50 already did damage. New York was a hot record though. There's a sequel with Nas on one of Khaled's albums called new york is back.
Communication Skills 101: You listen to the whole point a person is making without getting emotionally charged first. That's the biggest problem with social media. Most don't even deserve to be in the discussion because they spar off that one thing that conflicts with their understanding and dismiss the whole 2nd part and the overall point. He uses a lot of "conjunctions". Meaning you have to analyze both aspects to know what he's saying. If not, your take will be your own misinformation automatically.
Example: Mike loves Dogs and Cats. But, currently owns a Dog. Someone will come out saying "Oh, You're hating on Cats! You're just biased because you own a Dog. When in fact Mike had a Cat that died and that's why he only has a Dog. 😂
Mel don't be knowing shit he talks about 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
It was the other way around. 50 later on start copying Ja
50 bit Ja style and made it fresher😂
This is some real talk 💯
Actually Ja was making hardcore records before 50 came out with JMJ.