@Simon Miksch det är ju typ 1700-talssvenska så det låter väldigt annorlunda, men funkade fint att kommunicera. Vilket var väldigt skönt efter nån dryg vecka on the road i Ukraina där det var 100% teckenspråk som gällde.
@@AlxzAlec we lost the great northern war against Norway, denmark, poland, lithuania, estonia (were controlled by sweden but they wanted to be independent) and russia. At first sweden kicked their asses for a long time but in the long term it didnt work out against all these nations from all fronts
Cool! I did the same trip in 2011. We took the bus from from cherson in the afternoon - the last for the day. We were about to stay the night in Cherson, but a guy at the bus station convinced us to go. We were a bit worried about wether we would find a place to stay, but the guy at the station convinced us: “Worst case, you’ll sleep under the stars - but it’s not a big deal, it’s warm outside!” When we exited the bus a random guy who went off at the same place signaled to us to come with him (he didn’t speak Swedish or English, and we didn’t speak Russian or Ukrainian). We walked with in silence with him over a field and it all felt kind of weird. However, he had showed us the way to his mother’s house - Maria, who spoke Swedish and let us stay at her place for two nights, meals included. Turns out Maria’s son had heard us speaking Swedish on the bus, and although he didn’t speak it himself he recognized it. We had a great time there, we spent an evening at the local club, met Andreas the Swedish tobacco farmer, Alexander the construction worker and his friends celebrating the potato harvest by the beach (he even let us drive his Lada on the dirt roads outside of the village), and the kids greeted us in Swedish on the streets (the rumour that two Swedes were around spread fast) and we also had a private tour of the Orthodox/Protestant church. Overall an amazing experience.
Bra Gjort & Tack ! I have seen a Docu of The Subject on Estonian TV ! The People were from - nowadays - Estonian Islas Hiiumaa / Vormsi ! But They spoke Svenska / Swedish as their 1st language ! This was at the 90s - and There were more som - kunde språket ! Time flies and We All Get Older ! I wonder if There is someone - Who knows more about the Subject to Others to Read ! Man kan lärä Mycket - bara att titta på RUclips VIDEOS ! Tack Tack på återseende !
Very well done episode about the ties between the Swedish and Ukrainian cultures. Never knew of this part of the Ukrainian connection with Sweden, thanks for the great job !!!
My grandma was born in one Gammalsvenskby but was evacuated to Germany during WW2 then she moved to Sweden 🇸🇪. None in my school have ever heard about this or the atrocities the Soviets. The ones who weren’t evacuated like her cousins were sent to Gulags and her uncle and one relative were chained to a barge ship and sunk in the river Dnieper
My swedish ancestors were sent to somewhere in Ural (not Gulag camp) area by soviets and then they came back in area close to Ukraine and settled there. They lost culture and language, even took russian surname, so I still searching connections, and even found other people with swedish ancestory in this area
Talking about negative aspects of Soviet policies would land you in Gulags and harm whole families. That's why e.g. no one was talking about Holodomor of 1933 in Ukraine untill the whole thing collapsed in 1991. My grandpa chose to tell my mom about the horrors he witnessed as a boy in 1933 when she was grown up and could keep a secret. It was a brutal inhuman regime sustained by fear and i'm glad it's gone forever.
Detta var faktiskt sjukt intressant. Jag hade också hört om denna mystiska byn i Ukraina men jag trodde inte verkligen på det... men nu finns det bevis!
Ehm, det har funnits bevis länge... Har du seriöst trott att det bara var en skröna utan att kolla upp något? Det finns massor av intervjuer med de svensktalande i Ukraina och diverse personer som dokumenterat sina besök där. Fan t. om nyheterna har varit där nere och intervjuat folk...
Wow! Very nice video. Thank you! The Swedish population in Gammelsvenskby were originally from Dagö/Hiiumaa in Estonia which at the time was a part of Sweden. Many of them were forced to move to current Gammelsvenskby , but some still live in Dagö/Hiiumaa as well as Ormsö in Estonia.
Estonia (including Dagö) was part of Sweden for about 200 years until 1710, when it become part of the Russian Empire. The Swedish minority, being in Estonia from at least the 13th century, was scattered during the Soviet time by emigration to Sweden, but tragically also, as told in the video, by deportation to what is today Ukraine. There is not much left of the Swedish minority in Estonia today.
@@VilleJansson Gammalsvenskbys befolkning kom ursprungligen från Dagö i dagens Estland, som till 1721 var en del av Sverige. En rättslig tvist med den svenske godsägaren Stenbock på Dagö löstes så att de berörda Dagöborna, cirka 1 000 personer, anvisades cirka 13 000 hektar mark av den ryska kejsarinnan Katarina II i det då kallade Nyryska guvernementet i södra nuvarande Ukraina, vilket ryssarna just erövrat från turkarna.
Yes but the Swedish one is just about the Scandinavian race, blue eyes blonde hair, and the style is a copy of denmark, and Ukraine’s flag is like the duchy of schleswig’s flag
My mother was born in Gammelsvenskby and emigrated to Sweden in 1929 and then moved to Canada. After she passed I discovered material from Gammelsvenskby including a village map where everyone lived and other writings about the history and who lived there.
I wish I could attach a photo here of the map showing where everyone lived. It's pretty cool. The map is dated 1929 and clearly it's a Swedish village!
Så intressant! Skulle gärna höra henne prata mera svenska. Gammalsvenskan påminner om den Österbottniska dialekten som vi pratar här i Österbotten, Finland 😁
Det är nog för att ursprungsinvånarna i gammalsvenskby härstammar från Dagö i Estland, vars dåtida dialekter antagligen låg rätt nära den som pratades i Österbotten!
@@ClashBerry I Sony think so ! There are studies of The Swedish spoken in Finland ! The dialeketer Can vary - 50km apart ! Like a Community of NÄRPES - Where They still use Their own " Language " - that others have - Diffyculties to follow ! Meaning that South of Åland - vs North of Åland - The distance IS too GREAT !
@@RexusprimeIX He may be referring to large numbers of Swedish ex-pats retiring to Spain. I remember when I went to Majorca there were a couple of instances of Swedish churches and shops to cater for the Swedish population.
I could never tell that she was speaking Swedish, it even sounds less like Swedish than Norwegian or Danish does. Interesting how a dialect can diverge so much when it's isolated for a long time.
It is also that if someone is speaking another language most of the time, he/she will get an accent. Pretty sure that the language sounded quite different from now before WWII.
@@oyuyuy Yeah, the Swedish dialects in Estonia are believed to differ from Swedish dialects in Finland in late medieval times, and, that village has been in isolation from other Swedish since the 1780s. But, what I mean here, is that before WWII, the settlement was mainly Swedish and German, but after the war, the situation changed completely, as Ukrainians became majority, and younger generations of the Swedish switched to Ukrainian as well, so today, there are just a few people left speaking Swedish as their first language. And, as they are speaking Ukrainian regularly, the Slavic accent is clearly heard.
@@forgottenmusic1 Yea it sounds different, but I understand what she is saying perfectly. So very interesting still. EDIT: another funny thing is that she sometimes pronounces a bit differently/weird compared to what we do today, but she is having in my opinion a very Swedish "melody" when speaking.
@@hampuztt I’m Swedish and that’s not Swedish or old Swedish, in school I learned old Swedish and it’s not the same as the way she speaks. That was more like German.
@@muam8983 I'm also Swedish and she OBVIOUSLY is speaking swedish at 6 minutes. "God dag, hur är det? Är det bra eller dåligt?" But in a weird way. Hence the "gammal svenska" There is no way you're swedish and couldn't hear it. Or did you think her russian "хорошо или плохо" was swedish?
It’s crazy how our Swedish culture can be found in remote areas of the world. I had never heard of this one before! This video reminded me somewhat of Swedish Hills in Hokkaido, Japan.
The ruling class in Ukraine were Swedish Viking descendants (Rus = men from Roslagen in Upland, just north of today's Stockholm, meaning "rowing crews") and they maintained contacts with Scandinavia for hundreds of years after the Viking age. Therefore the intermarriages mentioned in the beginning. Same for what became Russia and Belarus.
@@neppson6702 Det ingick i historiedelen i skolan om vikingatiden med vikingar i västerled och österled (vilket denna delen om ruserna relaterar till). Något djup i det kanske inte hanns med dock.
This is so cool. My mother’s grandparents are from gammelsvenskbyn. Originally their relatives and grandparents were from Estonia, which actually was Sweden back then. My mother have visited her grandparents sister who talked much about what happened in that village. Their last name was Buskas and I think my mother also got a family name - katarina. It’s so cool seeing this on recommend bcs my ancestors lived in this certain village.
Just found your channel, really interesting! As a Swede I found this episode particularly entertaining. Love learning languages myself, and love travelling so, again, great channel! :)
I heard about Swedish village also in Russia, Brazil, Usa and one of the baltic country. The church look typical Swedish. She speak very uppdated Swedish, i was exspected some older Swedish language. One thing also about Swedish connection to Ukraine is that Kiev was created by the Swede called the Rus.
I used to have a classmate which had grandparents from there, not sure if it's that town but it was a village in ukraine which alot of people spoke swedish in.
The names on the memorial are typical Swedish-Ukrainan. A lot of people that came from Gammelsvenskby to Sweden after the war, had names like Knutas, Utas, Buskas, Hoas and Sigalit.
Many of those families were allowed to come back to Sweden in 1944, I think. They settled on the island of Gotland. I know some of their children, Knutas family. Also Tinnis.
Var kommer efternamnen ifrån? Är de svenska efternamn som anpassats efter ukrainska? Jag förstod inte varför de hade dubbelnamn på minnesstenen, så det vore intressant att veta:)
@@hejahatjenaremors2294 Det är typiskt gotländska namn idag, från början säkert gårdsnamn av den typ som också finns i Dalarna. Hur namnen kom till Ukraina är inte helt utforskat, men en del kan spåras till Dagö som var nästan helt svenskspråkigt.
5:05 on that memorial I see the surnames "Utas" and "Knutas". I have an old Swedish magazine from 1929 that contains an article about some people from this village visiting Sweden.
Jag körde ner med bil 2007 till Ukraina och gjorde ett besök i Gemmelsvenskbyn. Jag hade med mig lite saker o några kartonger samt 6 Svenska flaggor, det var 2 veckor innan kungen kom på besök. Jag var där och träffade en gammal dam som hette Anna Annas, som pratade gammelsvenska. Det va sammtidigt en student där som skulle göra en utställning om byn. Ett minne jag inte glömmer :)
Sad that we could’nt see more of the village and the culture and also hear more of the swedish language. For those who wonder what the swedish sounded like, it was’nt like clear swedish that you’ll find in a native swede, this swedish has a Ukrainian accent but its 100% understandable. Nice to see even the church was very swedish looking.
Yes, I wish we could hear more of her Swedish. It was super fascinating. It had a Ukrainian accent for sure, and was also a bit older in style (as she said, she learned old Swedish), but Swedish nonetheless and Swedish like I've never heard it. Fascinating!
It sounds similar to Ostrobothnian dialects in Finland. Btw if you want to hear Swedish like you've never heard it before, you should totally listen to Närpesdialekt.
As a swede.. would be amazing to visit a town in a foreign country ,that has literaly the meaning ”old swedish village” as a name! Amazing 😎 Ps: i hope the surströmming as a tradition isnt a thing there!! 😂😂😂
Wow, that's so interesting. Reminds me of my own heritage of Forest Finns that kept their Finnish language for almost 300 years while living on the southern border of Sweden-Norway.
@@holoholopainen1627 Jag vet inte något om de som flyttade vidare till America. Jag kan garantera att många av dom stannade. Annars hade jag inte funnits! Som jag har fått det berättat för mig var det krig i det område de kom ifrån, tror det var Savolax, samt att kungen erbjöd dom landet gratis och ett antal års skattefritt för att besätta gränsen mot Norge.
Wasn't this the creation of Catherine the great? In true Russian style she deported people from former Swedish territory (nowadays Estonia) down in deep Ukraine. But they kept their cultural heritage alive and kept the Swedish spoken in 18th centuary fashion!
@ Hanna Österlund....Vart är här? Sveriges socialistiska regering har inget intresse att lära ut våran historia (dvs våra rötter). "The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history " ~ G.Orwell.
@@Vivungisport Orwell var socialist. Det lärs visst ut om vikingarnas härjanden i Kiev och runt omkring. Det är inte regeringen som bestämmer vad som ska läras ut i skolan. Edit: och man hinner inte lära ut allt. En liten by i Ukraina är inte särskilt intressant att lägga tid på i undervisningen heller.
Hello! I am a swedish woman, and I Have been aware of this ville since many years! Sweden was a great and big land. Norway, Finland and a big bit of Sovjet. It was during the Union of Kalmar, the capitol of the union. Back in time, Sweden was biggest in time! Fun You wrote about it!! Hug from Caroline Roos Hagel
There was a forced population exchange between USSR and Poland after WWII, and the village was populated by ethnic Ukrainians from Poland. That's why the Ukrainian language is stronger there than in the region in general.
@@forgottenmusic1 Are there any links where I can read about this population exchange? Would be interesting. I didn't travel a lot in Odessa region but I know that there are Ukrainian, Moldavian, Bulgarian, Old Believer (Russian), Gagauz speaking villages, with Ukrainian (or rather Surzhyk, the mix of UA and Rus) being predominant in the rural language.
@@casperado666 You can start from checking Wikipedia for this village - Gammalsvenskby in particular, and "Population transfer in the Soviet Union" in general (and check the "see also" sections too). The Budjak region near Odessa was annexed by Russia in different time, so the ethnic history there has some similarities, and some differences as well. Note that before WWII, large areas in Budjak were also populated by Germans. I suppose that Stalin draw the border between Moldova and Ukraine right in the middle of the areas settled by Gagauzians and Bulgarians on purpose, to avoid giving them autonomy and ensure their Russification (and, giving Moldovan-populated Reni area to Ukraine serves no other purpose than "divide et impera" as well).
Something that struck me with the stone commemorating the missing people. The last names of those people still exist on the island of Gotland in the Baltic sea. You have to dig deeper to figure out if they connect to Gammelsvenskby or Dagö.
I seem to remember journalist Malcolm Dixelius visited this village in the late 1980s for Swedish television's "Aktuellt" and found a few old people who knew a few words in Swedish.
@@holoholopainen1627 Jag är också från Ukraina och bor i Sverige, jag visste inte om denna bys existens. Nu är de under ockupation, och eftersom jag inte kan resa till Ukraina nu kommer jag att åka dit när jag har möjlighet och besöka den här byn.
@@mykhailosergiyovich6298 Vad bra ! Hur länge har Du bott I Sverige ? Jag bodde I Stockholm tidigare... Det här liknar NEW SWEDEN i Amerika eller Finnskogar i Sverige ! Allt på RUclips !
Med tanke på att många svenskar inte ens vet att svenska talas som modersmål av 300 000+ människor i Finland, är det väl inte så konstigt att en liten by i Ukraina med max några hundra invånare blir bortglömd.
This is amazing, i've know that Charles XII have been through ukraine, but i never thought that small sweden had this impact. When The old Lady started to speak some scentances in swedish i dropped my jaw. My russian is poor but understood The concept of what she was sayin', which was easier when a swedish Words was spoken 😁😅 so cool.
I am amazed that so many Swedish people don't know about the Swedish-Ukranian connection. I was taught this in history class, when reading about the Battle of Poltava and the Swedish Empire.
Had a book named "Gammalsvenskby". About the village? Gave it away to my father though. Look for the ISBN-number in Sweden to find it, if you have any interest in it!?!♥️ Hug from a real Swede 🇸🇪💪💙♥️
very interesting, my dialect is said to be one of the older dialects of swedish (österbottniska) and we also use "jer e" (6:02) instead of "är det". Very interesting
@@QronoZ713 Roslagen* and yeah there are some heavy suggestions that it was the petty Kingdom of Roslagen (back when Stockholm was a patchwork of tiny kingdoms) as that is where most of the swedish viking expeditions came from - it is why Finns also call swedes "Ruotsi", because they met the same people that the slavs would later call the "Rus".
Do you know how many native Swedish-speakers there are in Estonia today? I will be doing an exchange semester in your country soon, and would love to visit such a village (if the world situation allows it). 🇸🇪🇪🇪
@@robino9119 Did You Go ? Have You Been to Estonia - to find Out ? I was on the Island of Vormsi - Where They had alot of Swedish speakers - visiting from Sweden !
@@holoholopainen1627 Funny timing, because yes! I just returned home to Sweden after spending almost 6 months in Estonia. I never went to Vormsi, but I visited some historically Swedish-speaking areas of Saaremaa etc. :) didnt actually encounter any Swedish-speakers though.
@@robino9119 You Should Have visited - Vormsi - and The Islands ! After The 2nd WW many moved to Sweden ( sailed ) ! May I Ask Where Did You Go - How IS Your Estonian ?
@@holoholopainen1627 I plan to return to Estonia in the near future, as there are many places I still haven't seen! I lived in Tartu, but during these months I also visited Pärnu, Viljandi, Narva, Saaremaa/Muhu and of course Tallinn (although I did not get to spend as much time there as I would have liked). Unfortunately my Estonian language skills are nothing to be proud of. I was studying in English at the university.
@@holoholopainen1627 I could also be that they kinda got stuck in the language development, and instead Swedish in Sweden developed. Which sounds more likely.
@@holoholopainen1627 I was there 2006. I met some old people that still speaks Swedish but in a old style. They talked like a 18th bible with old grammar forms we don’t use anymore. They also spoke a Gotland dialect. People were mostly farmers and sold diary products, vegetables and meat. They were very friendly and hospitable. They have a Lutheran church which they shared with a German village nearby.
@@ulricelilya85 Tack för svaret ! People WHO has move away - from The Mainland of Sweden so long ago - surely had some kind of dialek ? This happens to everybody - WHO moves away - from daily use of The Language ! You Start to speak another Language - that has Different TONING ! Flytande med gamla ord - med UNIK historia - efter alla dessa år !
There are Swedes in Ukraine for the same reason that there are Volga Germans in Ukraine and Russia, or Germans and Swedes in the US. Many emigrated in the 18th and 19th centuries looking for land to farm, and in some cases they were brought in as technical experts for the state.
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Jag och mina vänner bodde hos Maria när vi reste runt i Ukraina med min folkabuss för 15 år sen! Gud vad jag blev glad av att se henne!
Riktigt gött!
Hon verkar så ödmjuk och gästvänlig 🤗
Häftigt!
@Simon Miksch det är ju typ 1700-talssvenska så det låter väldigt annorlunda, men funkade fint att kommunicera. Vilket var väldigt skönt efter nån dryg vecka on the road i Ukraina där det var 100% teckenspråk som gällde.
Vad fint! :’)
Love from Sweden 🇸🇪❤️🇺🇦. Yellow and blue brothers!
Ja
Skålar för den! 🍻
Sweden lost to Russia👍
@@AlxzAlec Russia has lost multiple wars against Sweden ✨😂
@@AlxzAlec we lost the great northern war against Norway, denmark, poland, lithuania, estonia (were controlled by sweden but they wanted to be independent) and russia. At first sweden kicked their asses for a long time but in the long term it didnt work out against all these nations from all fronts
Cool! I did the same trip in 2011. We took the bus from from cherson in the afternoon - the last for the day. We were about to stay the night in Cherson, but a guy at the bus station convinced us to go. We were a bit worried about wether we would find a place to stay, but the guy at the station convinced us: “Worst case, you’ll sleep under the stars - but it’s not a big deal, it’s warm outside!” When we exited the bus a random guy who went off at the same place signaled to us to come with him (he didn’t speak Swedish or English, and we didn’t speak Russian or Ukrainian). We walked with in silence with him over a field and it all felt kind of weird. However, he had showed us the way to his mother’s house - Maria, who spoke Swedish and let us stay at her place for two nights, meals included. Turns out Maria’s son had heard us speaking Swedish on the bus, and although he didn’t speak it himself he recognized it. We had a great time there, we spent an evening at the local club, met Andreas the Swedish tobacco farmer, Alexander the construction worker and his friends celebrating the potato harvest by the beach (he even let us drive his Lada on the dirt roads outside of the village), and the kids greeted us in Swedish on the streets (the rumour that two Swedes were around spread fast) and we also had a private tour of the Orthodox/Protestant church. Overall an amazing experience.
Wow! Amazing story ... shows the value of traveling off the beaten path ...
Bra Gjort & Tack ! I have seen a Docu of The Subject on Estonian TV ! The People were from - nowadays - Estonian Islas Hiiumaa / Vormsi ! But They spoke Svenska / Swedish as their 1st language ! This was at the 90s - and There were more som - kunde språket ! Time flies and We All Get Older ! I wonder if There is someone - Who knows more about the Subject to Others to Read ! Man kan lärä Mycket - bara att titta på RUclips VIDEOS ! Tack Tack på återseende !
What a lovely Swedish-Ukrainian Babushka. Love the Swedish flag in her kitchen.
Very well done episode about the ties between the Swedish and Ukrainian cultures. Never knew of this part of the Ukrainian connection with Sweden, thanks for the great job !!!
Thanks! It took me a few years to finally make it there. :D
It is the key to the Gothic Kingdom
Also, Ukrainian culture connected to Scandinavia via Gårdarike epos
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You just Havent read The RIKETS HISTORIA ?
My grandma was born in one Gammalsvenskby but was evacuated to Germany during WW2 then she moved to Sweden 🇸🇪. None in my school have ever heard about this or the atrocities the Soviets. The ones who weren’t evacuated like her cousins were sent to Gulags and her uncle and one relative were chained to a barge ship and sunk in the river Dnieper
Fyfan vilket terrorvälde Sovjet var. Stackars stackars människorna, som de led.
My swedish ancestors were sent to somewhere in Ural (not Gulag camp) area by soviets and then they came back in area close to Ukraine and settled there. They lost culture and language, even took russian surname, so I still searching connections, and even found other people with swedish ancestory in this area
Talking about negative aspects of Soviet policies would land you in Gulags and harm whole families. That's why e.g. no one was talking about Holodomor of 1933 in Ukraine untill the whole thing collapsed in 1991. My grandpa chose to tell my mom about the horrors he witnessed as a boy in 1933 when she was grown up and could keep a secret. It was a brutal inhuman regime sustained by fear and i'm glad it's gone forever.
This IS a STORY - that many Swedes never heard of ?
Sins no one have mentioned it as far as I can see, “gammalsvenskby” means “old Swedish village” but in one word: “oldswedishvillage”
What is interesting is that the name is in swedish and not in ukrainian or russian
@@clakoclakson Yes wery!
more exakt oldswedevillage
@@mj4w723 no lol
@@Alexis-kl5hx yes
Detta var faktiskt sjukt intressant. Jag hade också hört om denna mystiska byn i Ukraina men jag trodde inte verkligen på det... men nu finns det bevis!
Ehm, det har funnits bevis länge... Har du seriöst trott att det bara var en skröna utan att kolla upp något? Det finns massor av intervjuer med de svensktalande i Ukraina och diverse personer som dokumenterat sina besök där. Fan t. om nyheterna har varit där nere och intervjuat folk...
@@Ducesweden Numera tyder mycket på att svenskar reste till öarna utanför Estland mycket tidigare t o m vid vikingatid!
Varför pratar ingen om att sveriges vikingar skapade ryssland genom kievan rus och genom rurik de vikingen
@Cian Doyle haha ja tyvär vet inte många om detta
Det var ju bara en kvinna som vi fick se prata svenska i videon.
Wow! Very nice video. Thank you! The Swedish population in Gammelsvenskby were originally from Dagö/Hiiumaa in Estonia which at the time was a part of Sweden. Many of them were forced to move to current Gammelsvenskby , but some still live in Dagö/Hiiumaa as well as Ormsö in Estonia.
Estonia (including Dagö) was part of Sweden for about 200 years until 1710, when it become part of the Russian Empire. The Swedish minority, being in Estonia from at least the 13th century, was scattered during the Soviet time by emigration to Sweden, but tragically also, as told in the video, by deportation to what is today Ukraine. There is not much left of the Swedish minority in Estonia today.
My family stays on Dagö.We are still alive. Sad, that nobody speaks this old language here anymore...
@@VilleJansson Gammalsvenskbys befolkning kom ursprungligen från Dagö i dagens Estland, som till 1721 var en del av Sverige. En rättslig tvist med den svenske godsägaren Stenbock på Dagö löstes så att de berörda Dagöborna, cirka 1 000 personer, anvisades cirka 13 000 hektar mark av den ryska kejsarinnan Katarina II i det då kallade Nyryska guvernementet i södra nuvarande Ukraina, vilket ryssarna just erövrat från turkarna.
@@Pgranlund You seem to be correct about Gammelsvenskby in Ukraine having much older history than I said.
@@kannelt Hur känns Det ? Inga att Tala med ?
And we both have blue and yellow flags. :)
I am Swedish and I live in a city just 2h away from this village :) I have not visited it yet because I am afraid of the roads
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@@Erik3E afraid of the roads?😂 har dom så dåliga vägar där?😄
Yes but the Swedish one is just about the Scandinavian race, blue eyes blonde hair, and the style is a copy of denmark, and Ukraine’s flag is like the duchy of schleswig’s flag
@@Erik3ETake the bull by the horns and just go!
Så jävla söt tant! Hoppas hon får leva gott och länge.
My mother was born in Gammelsvenskby and emigrated to Sweden in 1929 and then moved to Canada. After she passed I discovered material from Gammelsvenskby including a village map where everyone lived and other writings about the history and who lived there.
I wish I could attach a photo here of the map showing where everyone lived. It's pretty cool. The map is dated 1929 and clearly it's a Swedish village!
@@pauldinardo822 That Could Be a missing piece of This HISTORY ! How Can somebody reach You - or Ask For an copy to see ?
Im swedish. Never knew this existed
Så intressant! Skulle gärna höra henne prata mera svenska. Gammalsvenskan påminner om den Österbottniska dialekten som vi pratar här i Österbotten, Finland 😁
Det är nog för att ursprungsinvånarna i gammalsvenskby härstammar från Dagö i Estland, vars dåtida dialekter antagligen låg rätt nära den som pratades i Österbotten!
@@ClashBerry I Sony think so ! There are studies of The Swedish spoken in Finland ! The dialeketer Can vary - 50km apart ! Like a Community of NÄRPES - Where They still use Their own " Language " - that others have - Diffyculties to follow ! Meaning that South of Åland - vs North of Åland - The distance IS too GREAT !
@@ClashBerry I Dont this so - was The meaning - Above ! The 1st sentence !
I Dont think so !
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First I learn about Sweden Hills in Japan, now Gammalsvenskby in Ukraine. I swear Sweden has secret colonies all over the world.
We are quite sneaky
Like in the south of Spain? ;)
@@chrigaud elaborate please?
@@RexusprimeIX He may be referring to large numbers of Swedish ex-pats retiring to Spain. I remember when I went to Majorca there were a couple of instances of Swedish churches and shops to cater for the Swedish population.
I could never tell that she was speaking Swedish, it even sounds less like Swedish than Norwegian or Danish does. Interesting how a dialect can diverge so much when it's isolated for a long time.
It is also that if someone is speaking another language most of the time, he/she will get an accent. Pretty sure that the language sounded quite different from now before WWII.
@@forgottenmusic1 It didn't, but this village has been isolated since the the late 1700s and the dialect is even older than that.
@@oyuyuy Yeah, the Swedish dialects in Estonia are believed to differ from Swedish dialects in Finland in late medieval times, and, that village has been in isolation from other Swedish since the 1780s. But, what I mean here, is that before WWII, the settlement was mainly Swedish and German, but after the war, the situation changed completely, as Ukrainians became majority, and younger generations of the Swedish switched to Ukrainian as well, so today, there are just a few people left speaking Swedish as their first language. And, as they are speaking Ukrainian regularly, the Slavic accent is clearly heard.
@@forgottenmusic1 Yea it sounds different, but I understand what she is saying perfectly. So very interesting still.
EDIT: another funny thing is that she sometimes pronounces a bit differently/weird compared to what we do today, but she is having in my opinion a very Swedish "melody" when speaking.
Jag förstod inte vad hon sa
Wish I heard more of her Swedish!!
Sameee damn
Her Swedish sounded very odd anyways
@@atlaesthetics8354 No shit, she said multiple times she speak gammalsvenska (old swedish)
@@hampuztt I’m Swedish and that’s not Swedish or old Swedish, in school I learned old Swedish and it’s not the same as the way she speaks. That was more like German.
@@muam8983 I'm also Swedish and she OBVIOUSLY is speaking swedish at 6 minutes. "God dag, hur är det? Är det bra eller dåligt?" But in a weird way. Hence the "gammal svenska"
There is no way you're swedish and couldn't hear it. Or did you think her russian "хорошо или плохо" was swedish?
I'm a Serb that also speaks Norwegian, and I understood everything she was saying.
Well looks like after 4 years this video is now getting recommended. Great video
It’s crazy how our Swedish culture can be found in remote areas of the world. I had never heard of this one before! This video reminded me somewhat of Swedish Hills in Hokkaido, Japan.
REMOTE - What Do You mean by that ?
What a nice old lady, just a shame we didn't get to hear more of her Swedish! Puss och kram från Sverige :)
Tack för att du gjorde denna resa ❤️🙏🏻
Such an old lovely lady!
It was really cool that we found her. We had almost left the village.
Today I opened for myself "a little America" - a Swedish village in Ukraine. Very interesting story! Good job! Thanks.
I think the first king of the kievan rus, rurik, was a swede too.
The ruling class in Ukraine were Swedish Viking descendants (Rus = men from Roslagen in Upland, just north of today's Stockholm, meaning "rowing crews") and they maintained contacts with Scandinavia for hundreds of years after the Viking age. Therefore the intermarriages mentioned in the beginning. Same for what became Russia and Belarus.
@@kentabrahamsson oj vad intressant! Varför har man inte lärt sig detta i skolan???
@@neppson6702 Det ingick i historiedelen i skolan om vikingatiden med vikingar i västerled och österled (vilket denna delen om ruserna relaterar till). Något djup i det kanske inte hanns med dock.
@@neppson6702 Det togs upp när jag gick i grundskolan, men som tidigare kommenterat, inte särskilt detaljerat.
Rurik was finnish tho confirmed by dna researchers
Thank you so much.. im half swedish. Born and raised. I found this so interesting.. simply amazing!!' God bless
Tack - Where IS The Other half from ? Känner Du Helan och Halvan ?
@@holoholopainen1627 haha yes I know them. The fat and the skinny dudes. I am half Swedish and half Chilean.
@@youremybiggestfan Tack ! Are You Where at now ? Somliga går med trasiga skor ?
Mycket bra video. Man kan verkligen lära sig om historia som åtminstone jag inte visste något om. Tack så mycket!
This is so cool. My mother’s grandparents are from gammelsvenskbyn. Originally their relatives and grandparents were from Estonia, which actually was Sweden back then. My mother have visited her grandparents sister who talked much about what happened in that village. Their last name was Buskas and I think my mother also got a family name - katarina. It’s so cool seeing this on recommend bcs my ancestors lived in this certain village.
Have You an Estonian Document of This ? That was The 1st Time - I heard about The Estonian Swedes living in at Ukraina !
Fantastiskt, otroligt!
Just found your channel, really interesting! As a Swede I found this episode particularly entertaining. Love learning languages myself, and love travelling so, again, great channel! :)
HI FRIENDSHIP 🍼🐷🇯🇵
I heard about Swedish village also in Russia, Brazil, Usa and one of the baltic country. The church look typical Swedish. She speak very uppdated Swedish, i was exspected some older Swedish language. One thing also about Swedish connection to Ukraine is that Kiev was created by the Swede called the Rus.
I used to have a classmate which had grandparents from there, not sure if it's that town but it was a village in ukraine which alot of people spoke swedish in.
I came across this name while researching old Swedish names in Finland. Nice to see this brought up!
The names on the memorial are typical Swedish-Ukrainan. A lot of people that came from Gammelsvenskby to Sweden after the war, had names like Knutas, Utas, Buskas, Hoas and Sigalit.
Many of those families were allowed to come back to Sweden in 1944, I think. They settled on the island of Gotland. I know some of their children, Knutas family. Also Tinnis.
Sounds a lot like surnames from Dalarna or Österbotten in Finland...
Like my surname...
”Sigalit” is a version of my name, “Sigge” :)
Var kommer efternamnen ifrån? Är de svenska efternamn som anpassats efter ukrainska? Jag förstod inte varför de hade dubbelnamn på minnesstenen, så det vore intressant att veta:)
@@hejahatjenaremors2294 Det är typiskt gotländska namn idag, från början säkert gårdsnamn av den typ som också finns i Dalarna. Hur namnen kom till Ukraina är inte helt utforskat, men en del kan spåras till Dagö som var nästan helt svenskspråkigt.
5:05 on that memorial I see the surnames "Utas" and "Knutas". I have an old Swedish magazine from 1929 that contains an article about some people from this village visiting Sweden.
please share :D
My mother was a "Utas" born in Gammelsvenskby.
Many would like to know More ! Please share - Tack - or tell us more about IT !
Jag körde ner med bil 2007 till Ukraina och gjorde ett besök i Gemmelsvenskbyn.
Jag hade med mig lite saker o några kartonger samt 6 Svenska flaggor, det var 2 veckor innan kungen kom på besök.
Jag var där och träffade en gammal dam som hette Anna Annas, som pratade gammelsvenska.
Det va sammtidigt en student där som skulle göra en utställning om byn.
Ett minne jag inte glömmer :)
Sad that we could’nt see more of the village and the culture and also hear more of the swedish language. For those who wonder what the swedish sounded like, it was’nt like clear swedish that you’ll find in a native swede, this swedish has a Ukrainian accent but its 100% understandable. Nice to see even the church was very swedish looking.
Yes, I wish we could hear more of her Swedish. It was super fascinating. It had a Ukrainian accent for sure, and was also a bit older in style (as she said, she learned old Swedish), but Swedish nonetheless and Swedish like I've never heard it. Fascinating!
It sounds similar to Ostrobothnian dialects in Finland. Btw if you want to hear Swedish like you've never heard it before, you should totally listen to Närpesdialekt.
As a swede.. would be amazing to visit a town in a foreign country ,that has literaly the meaning ”old swedish village” as a name!
Amazing 😎
Ps: i hope the surströmming as a tradition isnt a thing there!! 😂😂😂
Maybe The SURSTRÖMMING - IS The reason in The 1st Place - why They moved there ? Kanske - Dom Tyckte inte om att ätä SURSTRÖMMING på alla fester ?
Wow, that's so interesting. Reminds me of my own heritage of Forest Finns that kept their Finnish language for almost 300 years while living on the southern border of Sweden-Norway.
Mycket Bra ! Det Finns många som har alrigt hört takas om Finnskogar ! Varför Dom flyttade dit - ock sen vidare till Amerika ?
@@holoholopainen1627 Jag vet inte något om de som flyttade vidare till America. Jag kan garantera att många av dom stannade. Annars hade jag inte funnits!
Som jag har fått det berättat för mig var det krig i det område de kom ifrån, tror det var Savolax, samt att kungen erbjöd dom landet gratis och ett antal års skattefritt för att besätta gränsen mot Norge.
Tack - Du har väl hört om John Morton ? Var han inte från Finnskogar ?
@@holoholopainen1627 nej tyvärr. Tack för tipset!
@@SilverionX Har Du hört om Nya Sverige kolonien I Amerika ? Manga som flyttade till Amerika var ättlingar - Till De som bodde I Finnskogar !
Wasn't this the creation of Catherine the great? In true Russian style she deported people from former Swedish territory (nowadays Estonia) down in deep Ukraine. But they kept their cultural heritage alive and kept the Swedish spoken in 18th centuary fashion!
Fan va ballt =) ännu en anledning att åka till Ukraina
Thank you for this awesome jorney-video. I`ve heard in years about Gammalsvenskby, and I hope I will visit it one day
Cool. You're welcome!
I'm surprised I've never heard of it until now, even though I'm from Belarus and live in Sweden.
Did You EVEN study Swedish History ? - for How long and Where ?
@@holoholopainen1627 mate jag har levt här hela mitt liv men aldrig hört om det
@ Hanna Österlund....Vart är här?
Sveriges socialistiska regering har inget intresse att lära ut våran historia (dvs våra rötter).
"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history "
~ G.Orwell.
@@Vivungisport Sverige*
Point taken.
@@Vivungisport Orwell var socialist. Det lärs visst ut om vikingarnas härjanden i Kiev och runt omkring. Det är inte regeringen som bestämmer vad som ska läras ut i skolan.
Edit: och man hinner inte lära ut allt. En liten by i Ukraina är inte särskilt intressant att lägga tid på i undervisningen heller.
Bara tack, stort tack! Och love, love, love etc! :-)
Thank you for this docu. I had no idea and Im swedish. Very interesting.
Hello!
I am a swedish woman, and I Have been aware of this ville since many years!
Sweden was a great and big land.
Norway, Finland and a big bit of Sovjet. It was during the Union of Kalmar, the capitol of the union. Back in time, Sweden was biggest in time!
Fun You wrote about it!!
Hug from Caroline Roos Hagel
It was a very interesting video. Thank you!
6:22 I love the fact that the Swedish grandma actualy speaks Ukrainian and not Russian. This sounds adorable to me. Greetings from an Odessite abroad
Glad you enjoyed watching her ... it was a fun interview to do.
There was a forced population exchange between USSR and Poland after WWII, and the village was populated by ethnic Ukrainians from Poland. That's why the Ukrainian language is stronger there than in the region in general.
@@forgottenmusic1 Are there any links where I can read about this population exchange? Would be interesting. I didn't travel a lot in Odessa region but I know that there are Ukrainian, Moldavian, Bulgarian, Old Believer (Russian), Gagauz speaking villages, with Ukrainian (or rather Surzhyk, the mix of UA and Rus) being predominant in the rural language.
@@casperado666 You can start from checking Wikipedia for this village - Gammalsvenskby in particular, and "Population transfer in the Soviet Union" in general (and check the "see also" sections too).
The Budjak region near Odessa was annexed by Russia in different time, so the ethnic history there has some similarities, and some differences as well. Note that before WWII, large areas in Budjak were also populated by Germans. I suppose that Stalin draw the border between Moldova and Ukraine right in the middle of the areas settled by Gagauzians and Bulgarians on purpose, to avoid giving them autonomy and ensure their Russification (and, giving Moldovan-populated Reni area to Ukraine serves no other purpose than "divide et impera" as well).
Something that struck me with the stone commemorating the missing people. The last names of those people still exist on the island of Gotland in the Baltic sea. You have to dig deeper to figure out if they connect to Gammelsvenskby or Dagö.
Yes, some of the people left for Gotland a 100 years ago. Are you from there? Write me a DM on IG or an email at conorclyne@tsarexperience.com
Heja Sverige!
Sweden-based musician Emelie Waldken recently posted a video featuring a hymn from this community.
Próximas vacaciones !! Saludos desde Argentina 😉
It is swedish on the sign @3:01 too
Those geese were definitely speaking Swedish.
I seem to remember journalist Malcolm Dixelius visited this village in the late 1980s for Swedish television's "Aktuellt" and found a few old people who knew a few words in Swedish.
Amazing!
Jag ifrån Ukraina och gillar din video 👍🤗
Viste Du on Det här tidigare ?
@@holoholopainen1627 Jag är också från Ukraina och bor i Sverige, jag visste inte om denna bys existens. Nu är de under ockupation, och eftersom jag inte kan resa till Ukraina nu kommer jag att åka dit när jag har möjlighet och besöka den här byn.
@@mykhailosergiyovich6298 Vad bra ! Hur länge har Du bott I Sverige ? Jag bodde I Stockholm tidigare... Det här liknar NEW SWEDEN i Amerika eller Finnskogar i Sverige ! Allt på RUclips !
Very interesting! Thanks!
Очень интересно!
never heard about this from my swedish school....
Samma
Med tanke på att många svenskar inte ens vet att svenska talas som modersmål av 300 000+ människor i Finland, är det väl inte så konstigt att en liten by i Ukraina med max några hundra invånare blir bortglömd.
Vilken skola ? No More HISTORY at Swedish schools ?
As a swede i find this cool. Im Generally good with accents but i can barely understand her at all. It's a very very difficult swedish.
After All These years - efter alla dessa år ! Om Ni skulle ha bott utomlands - och inte lärt något annat språk ?
another fascinating video, thanks!
Wow that is so interesting!
I want thank you for this video.
This is amazing, i've know that Charles XII have been through ukraine, but i never thought that small sweden had this impact. When The old Lady started to speak some scentances in swedish i dropped my jaw. My russian is poor but understood The concept of what she was sayin', which was easier when a swedish Words was spoken 😁😅 so cool.
Sverige var ju inte litet på den tiden så då hade landet stort inflytande över europa
Would have liked to hear her speak Swedish and hear the difference from modern Swedish.
I am amazed that so many Swedish people don't know about the Swedish-Ukranian connection. I was taught this in history class, when reading about the Battle of Poltava and the Swedish Empire.
We are thought about it, but i just dont think people pay attention.
October.... Still looks like summer there
Had a book named "Gammalsvenskby".
About the village?
Gave it away to my father though.
Look for the ISBN-number in Sweden to find it, if you have any interest in it!?!♥️
Hug from a real Swede 🇸🇪💪💙♥️
I mean bro, Swedish Vikings founded the kievan rus so the connection is older. Both our flags are yellow and ble also
Great Video! I learned alot :)
I was excited when I heard you speaking Russian and a woman answering you in Ukrainian.
That moment when you spot an old classmate in a random youtube video, had no idea oscar lived in odessa though
My ukraine brothers
Pretty amazing stuff
De va som fan
Very interesting video!
very interesting, my dialect is said to be one of the older dialects of swedish (österbottniska) and we also use "jer e" (6:02) instead of "är det". Very interesting
also, she says " barn heitt vi" which is exactly the same in my dialect
@@itzMike7 snacka ni bondska fortfarande? är från västerbotten
@@eriksandberg2430
vet inte vad bondska är, kolla upp östsvenska mål på youtube on du är intresserad eller exempelvis närpesiska.
@@itzMike7 Bondska är väl typ de genuina norrländska dialekterna? Aldrig hört det användas om andra dialekter i Sverige eller Finland.
@@itzMike7 det är en äldre typ av svenska/dialekt nästan ett eget språk beronde på vilken dialekt det är
I'm not sure if you mentioned it, but wasn't Ukraine basically a descendant kingdom from Kievan Rus which was founded by a Varangian line (Rodik) .
Varangians is a name used to describe the Vikings who sailed east, mainly from eastern Sweden (Roslagen)
And I think the name Russia comes from Roslangen, since people from there would be called ruser => russia
@@QronoZ713 Roslagen* and yeah there are some heavy suggestions that it was the petty Kingdom of Roslagen (back when Stockholm was a patchwork of tiny kingdoms) as that is where most of the swedish viking expeditions came from - it is why Finns also call swedes "Ruotsi", because they met the same people that the slavs would later call the "Rus".
@@Brakvash Yeah, it's really interesting. I'm from Roslagen btw :)
Cool video! It's not often you hear of a village with swedish culture outside of sweden and finland.
Thank God - We Have RUclips !
In Estonia we have swedish village s too. And there are people who speak swedish (coastal swedes).
Do you know how many native Swedish-speakers there are in Estonia today? I will be doing an exchange semester in your country soon, and would love to visit such a village (if the world situation allows it). 🇸🇪🇪🇪
@@robino9119 Did You Go ? Have You Been to Estonia - to find Out ? I was on the Island of Vormsi - Where They had alot of Swedish speakers - visiting from Sweden !
@@holoholopainen1627 Funny timing, because yes! I just returned home to Sweden after spending almost 6 months in Estonia. I never went to Vormsi, but I visited some historically Swedish-speaking areas of Saaremaa etc. :) didnt actually encounter any Swedish-speakers though.
@@robino9119 You Should Have visited - Vormsi - and The Islands ! After The 2nd WW many moved to Sweden ( sailed ) ! May I Ask Where Did You Go - How IS Your Estonian ?
@@holoholopainen1627 I plan to return to Estonia in the near future, as there are many places I still haven't seen! I lived in Tartu, but during these months I also visited Pärnu, Viljandi, Narva, Saaremaa/Muhu and of course Tallinn (although I did not get to spend as much time there as I would have liked). Unfortunately my Estonian language skills are nothing to be proud of. I was studying in English at the university.
They really developed a unique dialect of Swedish
There was No TV or RADIO ! Listen to NÄRPIÖ Finland dialekt - that sounds like No Other ! Many say that They Are from Norway eller Gamla Vikingar !
@@holoholopainen1627 I could also be that they kinda got stuck in the language development, and instead Swedish in Sweden developed. Which sounds more likely.
@@neville1311 There is / was The Sea inbetween ! This IS The same with Australia and USA - vs GB !
Hade varit coolt att höra henne prata mer Svenska för att höra hur det lät i fulla meningar,
Vi borde skicka lite Svensk Archer till Gammelsvenskbyn, att vakta mot orcherna. From Sweden with love 🇸🇪
Intressant video
I have been there, very interesting place 😊
Could You tell More about Your visit ? When did You visit ?
@@holoholopainen1627 I was there 2006. I met some old people that still speaks Swedish but in a old style. They talked like a 18th bible with old grammar forms we don’t use anymore. They also spoke a Gotland dialect. People were mostly farmers and sold diary products, vegetables and meat. They were very friendly and hospitable. They have a Lutheran church which they shared with a German village nearby.
@@ulricelilya85 Tack för svaret ! People WHO has move away - from The Mainland of Sweden so long ago - surely had some kind of dialek ? This happens to everybody - WHO moves away - from daily use of The Language ! You Start to speak another Language - that has Different TONING ! Flytande med gamla ord - med UNIK historia - efter alla dessa år !
This is most likely the end of Gammalsvenskby. An amazing part of history destroyed by the Russians...
Why? Its not like the the ukrainian gov is very tolerant towards minorities…Those that are there are there to stay
Interesting to hear about
Kiev and Russia was founded by Swedish nobleman Rurik in the 8th hundreds.
If that is the case russia is ours lol, I wanna replace the president asap
Im sitting here in my apartment in Sweden as a swede and I’m lost total. Didn’t know this
You Dont Your HISTORY ? Mycket lättäre om man kan språket !
There are Swedes in Ukraine for the same reason that there are Volga Germans in Ukraine and Russia, or Germans and Swedes in the US. Many emigrated in the 18th and 19th centuries looking for land to farm, and in some cases they were brought in as technical experts for the state.
Intressant film!
Хорошее видео, молодец Конор! Интересно, а про Запорожье ты ничего не снимал?
Tycker tanten säger något helt annat än vad det står på subben. Svårt att vara säker med en sådan kraftig dialekt! Coolt!
Everyone in these comments: Blue and yellow brothers!
Me, an intellectual: Blue and gold brothers
Trevligt :D
Gammalsvenskby - Oldswedishtown, love the creativity, *chefs kiss
So this obviously trended in Sweden right now.. Since every swede is here discussing the old ladys accent..