Eureka 9mm now ready for pre-order at eurekaguns.au Don't worry Glock and STI mag adapters are already in early prototype phase and I am certain will come.
Awesome. I've completely changed my initial mind about these, not just the gun but the company and people doing it too. great to see! awesome! I'll definitely be getting one of these.
Please reconsider the magazine choice for the 9mm. Glock mags would be far superior. Not every state is limited to 10 rounds when it comes to cat B rifles so it’d be nice not to be limited when playing ipsc.
Who can get Glock mags over 10 rounds anyway unless they are primary producers? Even then, you need to legally have the Glock to get the larger mags. Please do tell.
Really excited to see the 9mm PCC, but further to requests for Glock mag compatibility, you may also want to look at the location of the mag release button, if possible. Having it on the left side will slow down reload times for right-handed action shooting competitors, as they will have to reach to press the button with one hand, and then separately, retrieve the next magazine with the same hand. It's preferable to press the button with the strong hand while simultaneously retrieving the next mag with the support hand, which is how the normal AR system works. I understand the adapter latch occupies the AR release location, and that a 1911 mag forces you to put the mag release on the left side, however if it's possible to move the mag release to the right-rear side of the magwell, it will achieve the speed of reload right handers are after (they will hit the release with their right index finger while grabbing a fresh mag with the left hand). By using Glock mags you may be able to locate the mag release to either side as the Gen-4+ mags enable ambi releases, keeping everyone happy. Cheers for all your great work so far.
The 9mm sub gun version is one I will consider, should make a very good close range pig gun with the right ammo, I'll be modifying it a bit but i think, shorten the barrel to qld minimum length ( im thinking 12.5"), thread the barrel 1/2×28 and adding a blast forwarder, better grip, maybe lightning cuts in the handguard to reduce weight ect. im keen to handle one and see what the weight is like before mods.
Honesty the 9mm version should take Glock or CZ mags based on what the client chooses due to availability of the pistols and magazines within Australia. Also Vic allows permits for higher capacity mags in Rifles and SA, NT don't have magazine restrictions for rifles. Also the magazine should drop from the normal magazine release and not from a button from the adapter, what you have to consider is other options coming to market as well such as offerings from Oceania Precision. Not a dig at you guys I think your doing awesome work just some considerations, cheers.
Thanks mate for the feedback. I am certain we will have options for most common mags. It's "just" a matter of making adapters. Glock is a bit harder due to the width, but I am certain we will find a solution as well.
Fantastic news - hopefully NSW approval goes ahead. How will the NSW stock impact the ability to clean the firearm from the receiver end, like the original proposed stock with tube? Also, hopefully you can bring three in the different proposed cerakote colours to shot show in VIC so we can see how they look - I'm on the pre-order list so would love to see the colours on the model to make a choice.
Yeah, same here. I think it will be ok, just a matter of how long and how often we have to change the design. For NSW we are already on the third design.....painful let me tell you.I will see what I can do for shot show, great idea tho! In regards to the NSW stock, my understand (I have just seen it yesterday for the first time in person), there is at least 1 bolt to take out in order to take the stock off. But I will try to get more info after NSW tells us what they want to do.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies Appreciate your efforts to work with NSW to try to get an approved design. Fingers crossed you can get three colour samples to shot show - appreciate the team's hard work.
Doesn't matter if the price of the rifle goes up, reliability and quality matter a LOT more than trying to put out a cheap gun that doesn't work or wears out parts quickly.
Amazing guys! Love the 9mm version. I shoot glock in ipsc so as soon as there is an option for glock mag compatibility, im getting one! Here in vic you can apply for high cap mags for rifle ipsc. Love your work as alwayse. ❤🎉😊
Stocks will be just like the .223, many different stocks will be available. Trigger will continue to be the same as the .223, might be more fine tuned though.....but I need to check with Jim.
Some of the non-constructive, pointless criticism comments I have seen directed at you guys from the start, are mostly coming from gun snobs or slack-jawed gun bogans. Myself, being a middle ground firearms enthusiast (FUDD?), would like to offer my appreciation for the immense effort and time that you and the ASA team have put into this project. In regards to the NSW compliant butt stock design, being a NSW resident myself, people should be mindful that a butt stock with a low comb and adjustable cheek riser, does offer more flexibility, more comfortable for prone shooting, getting optics down closer to the barrel to name a few. If you want to go for a more tactical appearance, there are non-adjustable length of pull, buffer tube options available aftermarket, that are most likely NSW compliant. Once again, a big thanks to all of you.
The drop at heel stock is actually a better idea than a straight AR buffer tube type... anyone using AR rifles all the time knows that the heel of any AR stock just sits on the top of your shoulder when using any optic that needs to clear a long pic rail. This design will sit in the middle of your shoulder due to this designed-in drop, and having an adjustable cheep piece (if it's a good engineering design) will align the optic with our natural head position. Looks or good design? As an engineer, I'll take good design over what I look like in the mirror.
Love it but please reconsider the mags. 1911 mags are the worst handgun mags around for a 9mm. I've had a few and it was always a struggle to use factory ammo. JHP's and any flat point especially. Hopefully they work better in your rifle. In Vic and a few other states we can get high capacity mag permits for competition, you would sell a heap of these to competitors if a high cap mag of some sort can be used. Those other aussie manufacturers have been promising a 9mm for years.
Some strange design ideas here, like not using Pmags in the 308 version. Every other recent straight pull and pump action Aussie 308's do already. I don't get it either.
I assume you refer to the .308 Chimera. First, I am working on making it work with a .308 double stack pmag, but to your comment, why; a double stack is wider than a single stack....obviously.....so if you want to use your original .223 design you would have to widen the receiver, making it significantly more expensive to produce and heavier, plus you are losing the lead on the market as a redesign means delays. Keeping in mind, the first company to bring a viable product out even if it isn't the best one, still wins, e.g., bushmeister sold more than 12k units, and it is arguably not the best by far but was the first. Hope that gives you a bit more info?
The PCC is so awesome. I fear the bank won't stretch that far, but that sort of stuff makes me love this company even more. As for the 300 barrel blanks you're getting in; will you be making the gun in tranches or is that the initial order to begin serial production?
Thanks mate, we are producing 200-300 receiver a month, each receiver can be used for the .223, 300 and 9mm. We will offer conversion kits for customers who have started with 1 calibre but want to add another one. At the same token, we will service each customer on a first come first serve basis. I think we may do weekly batches so that you still get to keep your spot and won't have to wait long.
I am working on it. At this point, it's a licensing issue as well as a material issue that can only be solved by injection moulding.....and that shit is expensive in AU. We are working with a company at the moment that may make the right material to pull it off.....stay tuned.
Personally I think you guys have done an amazing job with this so far. NSW is teaching me a lesson in patience. Question: why is the charging handle on the right hand side? Non-dominant hand operation makes more sense, does it not?
It's like religion.....you can go to war over that. Left or right......fight 😀 thanks for the kind words! To be honest, it is predominantly about the design. The charging needs to be where the ejection port is unless we would have a forward forend charging, which is certainly another expense. So, in short, it's has to do with the design of the action as the bolt carrier group has no other spot with enough meat to mount the handle.
Please Consider modeling that NSW stock closer to a G3 or the FN FAL. Or perhaps allow an opportunity for some external input, I imagine there would be a few talents out there whom could draft a concept design that fits the criteria.
To get away from the agricultural appearance. There’s nothing wrong with taking a little more time to do something well. The MPR mini is a good example of a well finished product.
Hi Rick, Some more annoying questions sorry, can ignore if too early to answer. Just a few more questions floating around in my head about the 9mm version. 1/ Will the barrel be coated or is it already rust resistant stainless? 2/ the internal moving parts, are they all coated or raw steel? Main reason I ask is I live 300 metres away from the sea in Nth Qld and I already have issues keeping my rifles blemish free from rust especially the bore and rifle bolts. 3/ the bolt carrier parts of the 9mm version as it has a drop out magazine adapter in a AR magazine well and same bolt face (9mm and 223 bolt face being almost identical) and what looks to be the same upper as the 223, be able to be future modified with a barrel swap kit for other rounds based of the 223 case like the 300 blackout? (Ignore that, just read a reply about this being a option, fantastic) Reason I ask about a caliber swap is I could offload a few of my seldom used rifles and free up space in my safe.
1.) The 9mm is still a prototype type and we have not yet sauced 9mm barrels although we do know where they will be made. Stainless would need to be a special order as we are mindful of the cost to the general public. So yea it would be possible to have a stainless barrel if so required. 2. Bolts and bolt carrier are nitride coated so you shouldn’t have too much drama with the main operating mechanical parts.
Please put the time in to work out the kinks, with a focus on quality and reliability like the Aussie made products of old time. Also please set the 9mm up for glock and cz magazines as others have said.
On it mate, glock it be available and yes, we have taken the extra time to focus on all the little issues. The torture tests should show any remaining we don't know about.
Congratulations on approval cat b. …. I remember either hearing something about customisation being available in maybe a few days .. does this mean we can then pay for the rifle , order it as we like by choosing the options you give us , and determine where we are in the que ? I’m a Qld resident and have already paid my 100 deposit… thank you.
Is the classification process for the A.C.T the same as N.S.W? Or are they completely different? I'm interested in the rifle but there's no point if either one nix's it.
Each state has different processes. Once we send a rifle to a state, they will look at it and either approve it or not. We expect 2-4 weeks for that process and will keep you posted.
Theoretical possible but they are not allowed in all states, and there are some great Aussie companies who already work in that space, and we think they are doing a great job as is. We have a few different concepts and believe this action is superior in the long run.
Hi, I’m looking forward to this new rifle. Was wondering if you guys might open a stall at the upcoming Adelaide gun show (16-17 November)? Not sure how all the licensing stuff would go so might be a bit too difficult. Would be good to get a feel for it though
Hey mate, not at all. We will have a left-hand version available. We will be taking preorders shortly again. Hope to have the gun out at the end of the year or Jan 2025
Any chance for the bolt release after a shot is fired to be placed on the front grip so you can operate with both hands and not have to shift your trigger hands grip? It would allow for faster follow up shots for hunting quick game like pigs
You will see that the production lever will not require a shift in your trigger hand. It will be sufficiently fast enough to do what you need. Got to trust me on that one until you either tried it or we have some IPSC comp footage.
So the 9mm will be a simpler design with less/no gas porting, did I take that correct? With 9mm being the cheapest centre-fire ammunition available, have to reconsider getting a 357 Lever action as my next step up from 22 Magnum.
Could you in theory replace the nsw stock with a standard buffer tube or is the receiver also altered? Asking because there are a few aftermarket fixed stock options available in NSW that use the buffer system.
We will be selling a buffer tube setup to all other states, but technically that stock is not NSW approved, so if you later make changes to the approved NSW version, you might be breaking the law. Plz keep in mind that we are not lawyers. That's just how we understand the situation.
Yeah I would of thought it would have been fine as you can get a lot of different chassis with buffertubes in NSW without issues, As long as it’s not adjustable.
Yes, I totally agreed, but those have been released in the past, and they are not as close to an "AR" or tactical look. That said, I agree with your comment, but common sense has left NSW and don't get me started on equality across products and importers.
Change is definitely needed way too many grey areas due to these outdated and irrational laws. That being said, I’m glad you are going through this effort for us unfortunate NSW residents we seriously appreciate it. 👍👍
Id like to see a rapid fire demo , controlled conditions side view rifle in use showing ergonomics of thumb release. (Possibly carried out as part of torture test. simulate real conditions so possibly asi/ 3gun style course. ) This is entirely why i want this rifle. As a pest controller. Every second counts. Possibly wont make it to Melbourne shot show. That adds another $600+ to my rifle.
Hey, the stock configuration, WLB obviously didn’t like the straight back inline with bore axis AR style butt stock? One of the clear advantages of the AR platform? Sorry if you’ve addressed this elsewhere.
Qld approved the firearm so you can choose any stock, but NSW is still asking for more info. The stock that was submitted to NSW was the one in the video. Hence, when it gets approved, this stock is the approved stock.
No, not at all. There are parts such as the barrel and furniture that come from overseas as it is not commercially viable to make them here, but all the core parts that matter are made here (minus the barrel which is from the US and not India as some competitor products that are Made in Australia)
I love the idea of a 9mm upgrade, but please at least the option to have glock mags OR 1911. I get that they’re common, but as a striker fired shooter the 1911 mags are useless to me
Nice question, not at this point. The only reason is that celik's 9mm is currently too tactical and short, plus it has no lever option as it is a complete different built to all other guns on the market.
I'm in NSW but there's a strong possibility I'll move to QLD within the next couple of years. Is the NSW stock fixed to the receiver for compliance with NSW Firearms Retardistry requirements or will I be able to swap it out with a proper stock if I move up north? Also you've mentioned in the past that you have no intention of doing a 9mm conversion kit but in this video Rick talked about buying parts to swap convert the rifles ourselves. Does this mean you've changed your minds and are making conversion kits or was that just an accidental slip of the tongue on Rick's part? I'd like to be able to shoot both .223 and 9mm but the piggy bank only has enough in it for one rifle.
To be honest, I didn't know about the 9mm until we started shooting the video. Before then, it was said that the 9mm and .223 won't be compatible, but now Rick and Jim have worked out a solution to make it possible to convert the .223 into 9mm and vice versa. You will be able to fix any stock to the Eureka no matter what state the Eureka will be sold to. We just can't ship Eurekas with different stocks to NSW. People need to obey the law by not changing them (in NSW) to stocks that haven't been approved.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies That's awesome mate. If they can pull the conversion kit off then there's a good chance of 3-gun comps starting up in Aus. I've always wanted to get into that.
We tried, but no one can manufacture the quantity we require. In addition, the Eureka would easily cost more than $3k if we were to go local as they are 2-3x the price here.
Weapons Licensing has no better suited category as Bolt Action Cat B. Which to be honest is a great outcome for us as there are no or limited restrictions.
Unsure about the 300acc, certainly you can interchange a 300blk. We are working on making that happen at the moment, just awaiting the right barrels for testing.
Yep that’s what I was referring to the blackout 👍 so will you be able to use the same action and simply swap barrels out in the field similar to the sako ?
Yes but keep in mind you would need to take out at least 13-15 screws to do it. Though it would be a 5 min job, I wouldnt want to do that in the field but at a desk or on a clean matt in the field. @bradogston8620
Considering Australia as a matter of fact used to manufacture rifles at Lithgow and made to last which they did, and you have to wait for overseas manufacturers to send parts then approval via customs then onto the assembly process/manufacturer(?) testing etc but why with all the machining shops with good ethics and proven accuracy do we not make our own firearms ? it's not like we don't have the capability and skilled people to produce a reliable rifle. Or have we become so reliant on outside sources we can't make our own and not bits and pieces from the USA which means all you're doing is assembling parts from overseas which is designed by an Aussie but not Australian made . But Kudos for what looks to be a potentially worthy (hopefully) rifle for Aussies Bonus points hope this goes well for you. Cheers Mate
We make the parts that matter here, we test and quality assure here as well hence it is made in Australia. The furniture and barrels are from overseas. The reason for that is that Australian manufacturing is not competitive in Australia. Labour, electricity, and raw material costs are so high that we can not make a reasonably priced gun if we were to try to make all parts here. We could buy the barrels in the Brisbane area, for example, but it would be 2.5x the price. The quality would be great as well, but at some point, your gun is 6k plus, and suddenly, you don't have demand left. It is sad to see that it has come to this. Our industry is not the only one, of course.
There is a working group discussing changes, so fingers crossed, they come up with something we can work with. Working around is fine if you know your workaround will do. But the uncertainty is the killer.
Registry NSW - Thanks guys. At some point you may wish to look after NSW residents. Why do you allow other states to eat your lunch. What a joke. Conservative politicians, please take note - Victoria and WA are supposed to be the nanny states. We are the Premier state and our agencies need to act like it. NSW has dragged their feet on this poor guy and his company. They’ve been as decent and helpful as possible and you’ve been consistently unhelpful and outdone by your interstate counterparts. There was time when NSW was cooler and set the standard. Now other states don’t care about NSW and you’ve become the lamest public servants of the country. Well done.
No one to blame for that but the NSW government unfortunately. Oceania Precision also had to make their SP rifles look god ugly to be approved in NSW. Stupid law.
honestly the 1911 mags is enough of a turn off that i wont buy one, what a waist of potential you guys really missed the mark not going with Glock mags
Cheers mate for the feedback. See the 1911 mag as a first mag. The adapter can be changed to pretty much any other mag. That said, the glock mag is a bit of a problem due to its width, but I know the guys are already working on solutions.
Registry NSW - Thanks guys. At some point you may wish to look after NSW residents. Why do you allow other states to eat your lunch. What a joke. Conservative politicians, please take note - Victoria and WA are supposed to be the nanny states. We are the Premier state and our agencies need to act like it. NSW has dragged their feet on this poor guy and his company. They’ve been as decent and helpful as possible and you’ve been consistently unhelpful and outdone by your interstate counterparts. There was time when NSW was cooler and set the standard. Now other states don’t care about NSW and you’ve become the lamest public servants of the country. Well done (sarcasm).
Don't worry, its the biggest issue we have.....a lot of stores are hesitant to order due to the Taipan desaster....they have not done us any favours and we will for sure not be the next Taipan.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies I was at my local gun shop the other day and the owner commented how they get stitched up by some wholesalers. Point in case was the SACA Taipan not only did it have QA issues with the Lite but when the X arrived the wholesaler discounted the price on a remaining Lites without reimbursing the retailers with physical stock the difference. This effectively took away a margin the retailer had (it also left a very bitter taste in consumers that purchased the lite off the bat.) The same has just happen with Infraray thermals after the company got caught up selling to the Ruskys whilst sanctions are in place. The distributor has discounted remaining AU stock to retailers (online mostly) but those retailers with physical stock are left with selling them at cost or at a loss. The wholesaler is quick to promote Infrarays replacement though……
I agree totally. The infiray situation is certainly interesting and sucks for the end consumer as well as retailer. For what it is worth, we reimburse all our retailers during those situations and wear the losses. Time will tell if that is a better strategy long term, short term it certainly hurts, but I believe in the long term game.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies for as long as i can remember, and i’m 53. When i was a youngster i ask dad about it and he said it was illegal, in 89 while i was in the army, i enquired about getting my own SLR and was told no way, no how, by the police. I was a regular at my local sports shop and they were prohibited from selling rifles with pistol grips or suppressors. After the big buy back there’s the rule that anything that was, is, or looks like a military rife is restricted. The closest you could get was a thumb hole stock.
I wasn't around at that time, so I am probably not the right guy to comment about what could have worked back then, but today, a pistol grip in isolation on a non semi doesn't necessarily mean it's banned under the apparents laws in NSW. There lays the problem, because in some cases it contributes to a ban in others it seems to be ignored and over time things changed based on the officer processing the paperwork. Hence, we as manufacturers are asking for new rules that give us design clarity so we don't have to trial and error and spend a shit load of more money in R&D before we have a legal product. Pain in the arse! Rant over.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies fair enough. I’m all for it if you can, it’s just a little surprising. The laws here suck, people are so paranoid that plastic toys like gel blasters and nerf guns are being treated as firearms. A soldier was pack marching with a length of steel pipe to simulate the weight of his rifle and was charged with firearms offences, because someone thought it was a gun and rang the police.
It is not commercially viable to get that done. None of our Australian manufacturers of firearms is using all Australian parts as it would make a product that no one is willing to pay for. Unfortunately, the reality of Australian manufacturing.
😳 here in western australia or gun laws were made that hard buy them making up the laws as they see fit. yer you can all say fight and i'll never giv mine up 😤 well ur not here, and hav a look at the law changing because all the states said wa was a test state and they would follow with there's, that took the smirk off ya other states. any way when the government decides it doesn't want you to have something they DO everything in it power to take and includes passing all there regulations when first granted licenses, simply get ready 😢
Approval. Licencing. Go ahead.🙄 Everyone has the right to bear arms. This isn't geographical or a privilege extended by government. It's inherent. The right to free speech, assembly and religion aren't given by the government. These are all things the government has ZERO say in at any point and for any reason. These are rights the government needs to be harshly prosecuted for even considering violating. The U.S. Bill of Rights does much more than outline the rights of U.S Citizens. It draws a line in the sand for any and all would-be dictatorial, fascist or otherwise subversive organisations posing as governments opposing the natural sovereignty ordained by the Almighty. Government is ultimately derived from the consent of the masses. A republic limits and checks majority rule against even the smallest voices. After all, we don't want 51% voting to exterminate the other 49%, that'd be abhorrent and barbaric. In the end, government should be beholden to the constituents and the constitution but currently we only see bureaucratic government expansion, needless spending (read: laundering), endless corruption and expanded fascist powers apparently seeking to equal or surpass Orwell's 1984. Vive la revolution.
Hi mate, the rail is machined from the receiver block. It is not screwed on hence a separatepiece that could be bought by the metre, so no, you can't buy it by the meter.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies That was my observation. An adjustable stock like a FAB design, hopefully it has no fist stage travel. Also an adjustable trigger weight as that is the thing I have to work on with most guns. I wouldn't increase the forend length. I would really have to test it to see if the operation of the firearm outweighs it aesthetics. I'm happy another Aussie company is making firearms. A lot of the young shooters I R/O for at the Moranbah Pistol Club will buy expensive guns just on its look. I have shot a lot of firearms in my life and own a large collection. To make a better comment, I would have to shoot it, pull it apart. But most importantly hold it. Bring one to our range once you've completed it. I have been a shooter for nearly 50 years, price has never been a factor in my purchases, but aesthetics and cheap guns have.
Thanks, mate, for the feedback. When you get to see the firearm in person with the non NSW compliant stocks, you will be impressed. In addition, there will be a lot of after-market accessories available. Hence, everyone can make it look the way they want. Cheers
Thanks, mate!! Much appreciated. We do have those fixed tube stocks available, but NSW indicated they just don't like the inline setup.....suddently. Go figure?!!
@@AustralianSportingAgencies Given the work that’s gone into profiling the upper having 10 cap head screws sitting proud is disappointing. To have them proud must have either an advantage…… or is an irreversible mistake bought about by the late changes to the handguard mounting.
I can only tell you guys why and you make up your mind. 1. I am always keen to find a better way, so once you have one, let me know how we can resolve the issue without 10 screws because they cost a freaken fortune as they are custom. 2. The barrel is held in place by an adapter as a receiver/barrel clamp system is not good enough for accuracy in our opinion. That said, to make a clamp system work, you need some serious small tolerances, and machining is likely to make it much more expensive. Hence, we used the adapter. Now, you would need to connect the handguard to the adapter. Again, you could clamp it, but you would not get the same stability from a clamp, plus you will have to spend more money on the forend extrusion. This is particularly important if you use open sights as the handguard has to stay true. You can argue why 10 and not 4......valid question, and I believe there is some oversight here as I believe it was never tested what the minimum screws could have been to make it work. In addition, we haven't tested sunken screw heads either. I am hopeful that in the next generation, we can make changes to it, and I am certainly open to suggestions and feedback. Thanks, gents!
Not on the cards at the moment. CZ makes an ok version at a lower price than we can make it, so it would be hard in this design. To make it more reasonable, we would need to redesign.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies not even a 22lr upgrade? Surely a rimfire bolt conversion and then it can be shot out of the same 223 barrel? Seperate mag adapter like the 9mm and bobs your uncle
You need a new upper, barrel, chamber, forend potentially depending on length, bolt carrier, springs. So all you get to keep is the lower and butt stock. So it will be a 1.5-2k investment @demby3554
come on guys, I am old and past it, but I know I could design a tougher looking stock, shooters want their firearms to be faultless when in use and they must look deadly/tough just sitting on a gun rack
Eureka 9mm now ready for pre-order at eurekaguns.au
Don't worry Glock and STI mag adapters are already in early prototype phase and I am certain will come.
would love to see a gel blaster version or even just the shell to buy in which we can put gelsoft parts inside
Awesome. I've completely changed my initial mind about these, not just the gun but the company and people doing it too. great to see! awesome! I'll definitely be getting one of these.
Thanks mate, really appreciated hearing this. Bastian
That 9mm version looks so good…I think about seriously getting one 👍
Hopefully you'll consider a 12 inch barrel version for 9mm for the states that allow it. Love what you're doing and hopefully you sell tons.
Thanks mate, I am certain we will have different barrel options.
Love your work Rick
Appreciate the insight into the challenges of working with the materials
Cheers mate, I'll let him know
Good update cheers. I’ll see ya in Melbourne
The 9mm has my attention :)
Please reconsider the magazine choice for the 9mm. Glock mags would be far superior. Not every state is limited to 10 rounds when it comes to cat B rifles so it’d be nice not to be limited when playing ipsc.
Thanks mate, we will be working on it. It's more difficult but hopefully we will be able to accommodate.
Let’s refrain from using “play” when referring to using firearms, everything is watched and monitored and will be used against us all.
Who can get Glock mags over 10 rounds anyway unless they are primary producers? Even then, you need to legally have the Glock to get the larger mags. Please do tell.
@@Malcolm-f8q get a grip mate
@@gw5436there’s Lee Enfields that take glock mags, 9mm. In QLD bolt centrefire is 15rds so no you don’t need the glock
Really excited to see the 9mm PCC, but further to requests for Glock mag compatibility, you may also want to look at the location of the mag release button, if possible. Having it on the left side will slow down reload times for right-handed action shooting competitors, as they will have to reach to press the button with one hand, and then separately, retrieve the next magazine with the same hand. It's preferable to press the button with the strong hand while simultaneously retrieving the next mag with the support hand, which is how the normal AR system works. I understand the adapter latch occupies the AR release location, and that a 1911 mag forces you to put the mag release on the left side, however if it's possible to move the mag release to the right-rear side of the magwell, it will achieve the speed of reload right handers are after (they will hit the release with their right index finger while grabbing a fresh mag with the left hand). By using Glock mags you may be able to locate the mag release to either side as the Gen-4+ mags enable ambi releases, keeping everyone happy. Cheers for all your great work so far.
Great feedback, big thanks!! I'll see what I can do
NSW, the state that common sense forgot.
Victoria says hold my beer
@@Christoph1888haha, true.
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@@AustralianSportingAgencieshahahaha
@@AustralianSportingAgenciesclassic 😂
The 9mm sub gun version is one I will consider, should make a very good close range pig gun with the right ammo, I'll be modifying it a bit but i think, shorten the barrel to qld minimum length ( im thinking 12.5"), thread the barrel 1/2×28 and adding a blast forwarder, better grip, maybe lightning cuts in the handguard to reduce weight ect. im keen to handle one and see what the weight is like before mods.
Honesty the 9mm version should take Glock or CZ mags based on what the client chooses due to availability of the pistols and magazines within Australia. Also Vic allows permits for higher capacity mags in Rifles and SA, NT don't have magazine restrictions for rifles. Also the magazine should drop from the normal magazine release and not from a button from the adapter, what you have to consider is other options coming to market as well such as offerings from Oceania Precision. Not a dig at you guys I think your doing awesome work just some considerations, cheers.
Thanks mate for the feedback. I am certain we will have options for most common mags. It's "just" a matter of making adapters. Glock is a bit harder due to the width, but I am certain we will find a solution as well.
Fantastic news - hopefully NSW approval goes ahead. How will the NSW stock impact the ability to clean the firearm from the receiver end, like the original proposed stock with tube? Also, hopefully you can bring three in the different proposed cerakote colours to shot show in VIC so we can see how they look - I'm on the pre-order list so would love to see the colours on the model to make a choice.
Yeah, same here. I think it will be ok, just a matter of how long and how often we have to change the design. For NSW we are already on the third design.....painful let me tell you.I will see what I can do for shot show, great idea tho!
In regards to the NSW stock, my understand (I have just seen it yesterday for the first time in person), there is at least 1 bolt to take out in order to take the stock off. But I will try to get more info after NSW tells us what they want to do.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies Appreciate your efforts to work with NSW to try to get an approved design. Fingers crossed you can get three colour samples to shot show - appreciate the team's hard work.
Great news very positive and now I have the dilemma of going 223 or 9mm as well
Goodluck on the nsw approval, keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
Interesting.
Well done.
Price sounds fair and all.
Thanks mate
Doesn't matter if the price of the rifle goes up, reliability and quality matter a LOT more than trying to put out a cheap gun that doesn't work or wears out parts quickly.
Thanks mate, we believe so too. In the long terms, that will hopefully make the difference
Amazing guys! Love the 9mm version. I shoot glock in ipsc so as soon as there is an option for glock mag compatibility, im getting one! Here in vic you can apply for high cap mags for rifle ipsc. Love your work as alwayse. ❤🎉😊
Golck mags will come!! Thanks mate!
Is there any plan to try and get these approved in Tassy? Love your work and the updates. Thanks guys
Certainly is. We are talking to almost all authorities. As we get approval we will inform you via our RUclips channel
Obviously glock/cz75 mags would be nice but I'm hoping for standard mill spec triggers/stocks too.
Stocks will be just like the .223, many different stocks will be available. Trigger will continue to be the same as the .223, might be more fine tuned though.....but I need to check with Jim.
Some of the non-constructive, pointless criticism comments I have seen directed at you guys from the start, are mostly coming from gun snobs or slack-jawed gun bogans. Myself, being a middle ground firearms enthusiast (FUDD?), would like to offer my appreciation for the immense effort and time that you and the ASA team have put into this project. In regards to the NSW compliant butt stock design, being a NSW resident myself, people should be mindful that a butt stock with a low comb and adjustable cheek riser, does offer more flexibility, more comfortable for prone shooting, getting optics down closer to the barrel to name a few. If you want to go for a more tactical appearance, there are non-adjustable length of pull, buffer tube options available aftermarket, that are most likely NSW compliant.
Once again, a big thanks to all of you.
Thanks mate, couldn't agree more!!
glock mags please, most states are not capped at 10 for rifles
On it 😀
thanks guys good update, ack why the stock is needed for NSW but damn its ugly. 1911 mags? really has to be glock mags please
Thanks for the feedback. On it mate! Leave it with me 😉
The drop at heel stock is actually a better idea than a straight AR buffer tube type... anyone using AR rifles all the time knows that the heel of any AR stock just sits on the top of your shoulder when using any optic that needs to clear a long pic rail. This design will sit in the middle of your shoulder due to this designed-in drop, and having an adjustable cheep piece (if it's a good engineering design) will align the optic with our natural head position. Looks or good design? As an engineer, I'll take good design over what I look like in the mirror.
You are bang on. It shoots very nicely but you know what people are like.....sometimes rational left the building.
Love it but please reconsider the mags. 1911 mags are the worst handgun mags around for a 9mm. I've had a few and it was always a struggle to use factory ammo. JHP's and any flat point especially. Hopefully they work better in your rifle. In Vic and a few other states we can get high capacity mag permits for competition, you would sell a heap of these to competitors if a high cap mag of some sort can be used. Those other aussie manufacturers have been promising a 9mm for years.
Thanks mate, we are on designing other mag adapters too, glock is hard due to the width, but I am certain we will overcome that too.
Some strange design ideas here, like not using Pmags in the 308 version. Every other recent straight pull and pump action Aussie 308's do already. I don't get it either.
I assume you refer to the .308 Chimera. First, I am working on making it work with a .308 double stack pmag, but to your comment, why; a double stack is wider than a single stack....obviously.....so if you want to use your original .223 design you would have to widen the receiver, making it significantly more expensive to produce and heavier, plus you are losing the lead on the market as a redesign means delays. Keeping in mind, the first company to bring a viable product out even if it isn't the best one, still wins, e.g., bushmeister sold more than 12k units, and it is arguably not the best by far but was the first.
Hope that gives you a bit more info?
The PCC is so awesome. I fear the bank won't stretch that far, but that sort of stuff makes me love this company even more.
As for the 300 barrel blanks you're getting in; will you be making the gun in tranches or is that the initial order to begin serial production?
Thanks mate, we are producing 200-300 receiver a month, each receiver can be used for the .223, 300 and 9mm. We will offer conversion kits for customers who have started with 1 calibre but want to add another one. At the same token, we will service each customer on a first come first serve basis. I think we may do weekly batches so that you still get to keep your spot and won't have to wait long.
Hell yeah
Watching with some interest from NZ....
If the 9mm were to be categorised as a bolt action, you can have 15 rounds. More rounds the better for comps such as 3 gun.
If you can get 15 round mags....leave it with me :)
@@AustralianSportingAgencies you should make one from a common pattern. I'm sure you won't be able to keep up with demand, if you did.
I am working on it. At this point, it's a licensing issue as well as a material issue that can only be solved by injection moulding.....and that shit is expensive in AU. We are working with a company at the moment that may make the right material to pull it off.....stay tuned.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies good stuff mate
Personally I think you guys have done an amazing job with this so far. NSW is teaching me a lesson in patience. Question: why is the charging handle on the right hand side? Non-dominant hand operation makes more sense, does it not?
It's like religion.....you can go to war over that. Left or right......fight 😀 thanks for the kind words! To be honest, it is predominantly about the design. The charging needs to be where the ejection port is unless we would have a forward forend charging, which is certainly another expense. So, in short, it's has to do with the design of the action as the bolt carrier group has no other spot with enough meat to mount the handle.
Fantastic
Thank you! Cheers!
Please Consider modeling that NSW stock closer to a G3 or the FN FAL. Or perhaps allow an opportunity for some external input, I imagine there would be a few talents out there whom could draft a concept design that fits the criteria.
Why?
To get away from the agricultural appearance. There’s nothing wrong with taking a little more time to do something well. The MPR mini is a good example of a well finished product.
Hi Rick,
Some more annoying questions sorry, can ignore if too early to answer.
Just a few more questions floating around in my head about the 9mm version.
1/
Will the barrel be coated or is it already rust resistant stainless?
2/
the internal moving parts, are they all coated or raw steel? Main reason I ask is I live 300 metres away from the sea in Nth Qld and I already have issues keeping my rifles blemish free from rust especially the bore and rifle bolts.
3/
the bolt carrier parts of the 9mm version as it has a drop out magazine adapter in a AR magazine well and same bolt face (9mm and 223 bolt face being almost identical) and what looks to be the same upper as the 223, be able to be future modified with a barrel swap kit for other rounds based of the 223 case like the 300 blackout? (Ignore that, just read a reply about this being a option, fantastic)
Reason I ask about a caliber swap is I could offload a few of my seldom used rifles and free up space in my safe.
1.) The 9mm is still a prototype type and we have not yet sauced 9mm barrels although we do know where they will be made. Stainless would need to be a special order as we are mindful of the cost to the general public. So yea it would be possible to have a stainless barrel if so required.
2. Bolts and bolt carrier are nitride coated so you shouldn’t have too much drama with the main operating mechanical parts.
Please put the time in to work out the kinks, with a focus on quality and reliability like the Aussie made products of old time. Also please set the 9mm up for glock and cz magazines as others have said.
On it mate, glock it be available and yes, we have taken the extra time to focus on all the little issues. The torture tests should show any remaining we don't know about.
Congratulations on approval cat b. …. I remember either hearing something about customisation being available in maybe a few days .. does this mean we can then pay for the rifle , order it as we like by choosing the options you give us , and determine where we are in the que ? I’m a Qld resident and have already paid my 100 deposit… thank you.
Yes to everything you said, just working on it now.
Is the classification process for the A.C.T the same as N.S.W? Or are they completely different? I'm interested in the rifle but there's no point if either one nix's it.
Each state has different processes. Once we send a rifle to a state, they will look at it and either approve it or not. We expect 2-4 weeks for that process and will keep you posted.
Looks great guys, could you consider making one that looks like an AR15 but button release?
Theoretical possible but they are not allowed in all states, and there are some great Aussie companies who already work in that space, and we think they are doing a great job as is. We have a few different concepts and believe this action is superior in the long run.
Hi, I’m looking forward to this new rifle. Was wondering if you guys might open a stall at the upcoming Adelaide gun show (16-17 November)? Not sure how all the licensing stuff would go so might be a bit too difficult. Would be good to get a feel for it though
Not a bad idea. We will try to get the gun their at the very least
9mm is what I need - from tassie and interested but Im a lefty so I guess im out pity. nice work though
Hey mate, not at all. We will have a left-hand version available. We will be taking preorders shortly again. Hope to have the gun out at the end of the year or Jan 2025
Any chance for the bolt release after a shot is fired to be placed on the front grip so you can operate with both hands and not have to shift your trigger hands grip?
It would allow for faster follow up shots for hunting quick game like pigs
You will see that the production lever will not require a shift in your trigger hand. It will be sufficiently fast enough to do what you need. Got to trust me on that one until you either tried it or we have some IPSC comp footage.
Thanks for the update lads. Will you be at the shot show in October?
Yes mate, we will all be there at the Hunt The Night Stand.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies awesome. Assuming there'll be some prototypes to touch and feel.
Yes there will be
Will we see the customisation available on the website soon?
Yes, working at it when I don't answer comments :)
So the 9mm will be a simpler design with less/no gas porting, did I take that correct?
With 9mm being the cheapest centre-fire ammunition available, have to reconsider getting a 357 Lever action as my next step up from 22 Magnum.
Lets say it is a different design, not necessarily simpler. I know it might be splitting hairs here but you know how engineers can get :)
Could you in theory replace the nsw stock with a standard buffer tube or is the receiver also altered? Asking because there are a few aftermarket fixed stock options available in NSW that use the buffer system.
We will be selling a buffer tube setup to all other states, but technically that stock is not NSW approved, so if you later make changes to the approved NSW version, you might be breaking the law. Plz keep in mind that we are not lawyers. That's just how we understand the situation.
Yeah I would of thought it would have been fine as you can get a lot of different chassis with buffertubes in NSW without issues, As long as it’s not adjustable.
Yes, I totally agreed, but those have been released in the past, and they are not as close to an "AR" or tactical look. That said, I agree with your comment, but common sense has left NSW and don't get me started on equality across products and importers.
Change is definitely needed way too many grey areas due to these outdated and irrational laws. That being said, I’m glad you are going through this effort for us unfortunate NSW residents we seriously appreciate it. 👍👍
Id like to see a rapid fire demo , controlled conditions side view rifle in use showing ergonomics of thumb release. (Possibly carried out as part of torture test. simulate real conditions so possibly asi/ 3gun style course. ) This is entirely why i want this rifle. As a pest controller. Every second counts. Possibly wont make it to Melbourne shot show. That adds another $600+ to my rifle.
Don't worry we will, we had to first get it over the line and not give the antis more ammo than needed.
Looks solid, any ideas on if ACT will stock will be the same as NSW ?
I am not aware that stocks would make a difference in ACT (please tell me if I am wrong), we hope to get all stocks approved there.
Hey, the stock configuration, WLB obviously didn’t like the straight back inline with bore axis AR style butt stock? One of the clear advantages of the AR platform? Sorry if you’ve addressed this elsewhere.
Qld approved the firearm so you can choose any stock, but NSW is still asking for more info. The stock that was submitted to NSW was the one in the video. Hence, when it gets approved, this stock is the approved stock.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies cool, thanks
Can we buy it with a adjustable stock in qld? Or is that a after market thing.
You can buy it with adjustable stock! Website will go live Wednesday
Picatinny rail under the barrel for front grip or other attachments
Keen to mount an arca rail
I just cut the video on that for the customisation options. Short answer....yes absolutely.
Will there be more budget friendly options in future?
Don't like reliability?
It's called a taipan lol
So manufactured overseas and assembled in Australia.
No, not at all. There are parts such as the barrel and furniture that come from overseas as it is not commercially viable to make them here, but all the core parts that matter are made here (minus the barrel which is from the US and not India as some competitor products that are Made in Australia)
any plans for the PCC in other pistol cartridges and or conversion components? 45ACP, 40S&W, 357Sig etc etc?
I'll have to talk to Rick and Jim about that. Will get back to you
@@AustralianSportingAgencies What about 7.62/.308?
@@Nydusurmainus .308 will come after 9mm and .300 black out. Sometime early next year hopefully
@@AustralianSportingAgencies fantastic, thanks for replying
I love the idea of a 9mm upgrade, but please at least the option to have glock mags OR 1911. I get that they’re common, but as a striker fired shooter the 1911 mags are useless to me
Cheers mate, I hear you. I'll bring it to their attention. I am sure we will have a solution.
Cat B in QLD = High chance of Cat B in Vic?
Yes, I am very certain it will be a Cat B Bolt.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies well I'm glad I pre ordered 👏🏻
Question out of left field...is celik coming out with a 9mm version after the .308?
Nice question, not at this point. The only reason is that celik's 9mm is currently too tactical and short, plus it has no lever option as it is a complete different built to all other guns on the market.
I’m in Qld. Is it safe now for me to apply for my 223 pta ? Or am I better off waiting for the final torture test ?
We are confident that you can apply now if you have backordered. If not, given the backorders, maybe in a month or so.
I'm in NSW but there's a strong possibility I'll move to QLD within the next couple of years. Is the NSW stock fixed to the receiver for compliance with NSW Firearms Retardistry requirements or will I be able to swap it out with a proper stock if I move up north?
Also you've mentioned in the past that you have no intention of doing a 9mm conversion kit but in this video Rick talked about buying parts to swap convert the rifles ourselves. Does this mean you've changed your minds and are making conversion kits or was that just an accidental slip of the tongue on Rick's part? I'd like to be able to shoot both .223 and 9mm but the piggy bank only has enough in it for one rifle.
To be honest, I didn't know about the 9mm until we started shooting the video. Before then, it was said that the 9mm and .223 won't be compatible, but now Rick and Jim have worked out a solution to make it possible to convert the .223 into 9mm and vice versa.
You will be able to fix any stock to the Eureka no matter what state the Eureka will be sold to. We just can't ship Eurekas with different stocks to NSW. People need to obey the law by not changing them (in NSW) to stocks that haven't been approved.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies That's awesome mate. If they can pull the conversion kit off then there's a good chance of 3-gun comps starting up in Aus. I've always wanted to get into that.
Me too, see ya at the comps 😉
Hi, pre-order seems to be unavailable. I'm in Victoria and want to lock it in. What is the best option?
We have just gone live with the .223 orders. We will re-enable the 9mm pre orders tomorrow or Friday.
Spend some money on a good stylist/designer.
It is worth it.
Don't worry, this isn't the last design before production. It was just enough to submit it to the weapon's registry. But thanks for the feedback
why not get the barrels made in Qld? support local???
We tried, but no one can manufacture the quantity we require. In addition, the Eureka would easily cost more than $3k if we were to go local as they are 2-3x the price here.
I wish we could because we absolutely planned to do so in the beginning. Hopefully it changes in the future.
How is this a bolt action? This be for farmers and target shooters?
Weapons Licensing has no better suited category as Bolt Action Cat B. Which to be honest is a great outcome for us as there are no or limited restrictions.
So r this weapons bolt action??
Yes Cat B Bolt Action
How interchangeable are the barrels ? Could it be changed out for a 300acc like the sako quad ?
Unsure about the 300acc, certainly you can interchange a 300blk. We are working on making that happen at the moment, just awaiting the right barrels for testing.
Yep that’s what I was referring to the blackout 👍 so will you be able to use the same action and simply swap barrels out in the field similar to the sako ?
Yes but keep in mind you would need to take out at least 13-15 screws to do it. Though it would be a 5 min job, I wouldnt want to do that in the field but at a desk or on a clean matt in the field. @bradogston8620
Cool I like the possibilities and can’t wait to have one in my hands . Thanks for the info and time
Considering Australia as a matter of fact used to manufacture rifles at Lithgow and made to last which they did, and you have to wait for overseas manufacturers to send parts then approval via customs then onto the assembly process/manufacturer(?) testing etc but why with all the machining shops with good ethics and proven accuracy do we not make our own firearms ? it's not like we don't have the capability and skilled people to produce a reliable rifle. Or have we become so reliant on outside sources we can't make our own and not bits and pieces from the USA which means all you're doing is assembling parts from overseas which is designed by an Aussie but not Australian made . But Kudos for what looks to be a potentially worthy (hopefully) rifle for Aussies Bonus points hope this goes well for you.
Cheers Mate
We make the parts that matter here, we test and quality assure here as well hence it is made in Australia. The furniture and barrels are from overseas. The reason for that is that Australian manufacturing is not competitive in Australia. Labour, electricity, and raw material costs are so high that we can not make a reasonably priced gun if we were to try to make all parts here. We could buy the barrels in the Brisbane area, for example, but it would be 2.5x the price. The quality would be great as well, but at some point, your gun is 6k plus, and suddenly, you don't have demand left. It is sad to see that it has come to this. Our industry is not the only one, of course.
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NSW regulators need to change, sorry you got dance around them
There is a working group discussing changes, so fingers crossed, they come up with something we can work with. Working around is fine if you know your workaround will do. But the uncertainty is the killer.
Can we have a 14in version
For the 9mm?
glock mags please
on it
Has NSW registry said anything about colour?
They said, black is not a good start.....go figure 😕
Registry NSW - Thanks guys. At some point you may wish to look after NSW residents. Why do you allow other states to eat your lunch. What a joke. Conservative politicians, please take note - Victoria and WA are supposed to be the nanny states. We are the Premier state and our agencies need to act like it. NSW has dragged their feet on this poor guy and his company. They’ve been as decent and helpful as possible and you’ve been consistently unhelpful and outdone by your interstate counterparts. There was time when NSW was cooler and set the standard. Now other states don’t care about NSW and you’ve become the lamest public servants of the country. Well done.
How does one even get into firearms manufacturing in Australia?
The appropriate dealers/armourers licence depending on your state, buisness plan etc etc.
What was the price point?.
Base Model is $2699 for the .223. We have not yet confirmed the 9mm.
Everyone talking about laws that should be changed, nobody will band together and fight for change
No offence but the NSW stock is really ugly and detracts from the great lines of the rifle
yeh but dont you have to blame nsw licensing for that ? :( with their "looks too good/scary" laws
Not entirely correct. See my other comment.
@@BananaMagsinPyjamas he even said in the video that it is down to subjective interpretation of the "looks" rule... so... i don't think anything goes.
No one to blame for that but the NSW government unfortunately. Oceania Precision also had to make their SP rifles look god ugly to be approved in NSW. Stupid law.
Jeff makes such nice guns.....it's a slap in the face to force him to make that.
honestly the 1911 mags is enough of a turn off that i wont buy one, what a waist of potential you guys really missed the mark not going with Glock mags
Cheers mate for the feedback. See the 1911 mag as a first mag. The adapter can be changed to pretty much any other mag. That said, the glock mag is a bit of a problem due to its width, but I know the guys are already working on solutions.
Registry NSW - Thanks guys. At some point you may wish to look after NSW residents. Why do you allow other states to eat your lunch. What a joke. Conservative politicians, please take note - Victoria and WA are supposed to be the nanny states. We are the Premier state and our agencies need to act like it. NSW has dragged their feet on this poor guy and his company. They’ve been as decent and helpful as possible and you’ve been consistently unhelpful and outdone by your interstate counterparts. There was time when NSW was cooler and set the standard. Now other states don’t care about NSW and you’ve become the lamest public servants of the country. Well done (sarcasm).
We as in NSW have a Labor government. Nothing to do with conservatives.
The stock looks terrible 😢
Thanks NSW Polititians for that. Don't worry the production stock will be nicer.
please do better QA then SCSA did on their shit box Tiapan!
Don't worry, its the biggest issue we have.....a lot of stores are hesitant to order due to the Taipan desaster....they have not done us any favours and we will for sure not be the next Taipan.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies I was at my local gun shop the other day and the owner commented how they get stitched up by some wholesalers. Point in case was the SACA Taipan not only did it have QA issues with the Lite but when the X arrived the wholesaler discounted the price on a remaining Lites without reimbursing the retailers with physical stock the difference. This effectively took away a margin the retailer had (it also left a very bitter taste in consumers that purchased the lite off the bat.)
The same has just happen with Infraray thermals after the company got caught up selling to the Ruskys whilst sanctions are in place. The distributor has discounted remaining AU stock to retailers (online mostly) but those retailers with physical stock are left with selling them at cost or at a loss. The wholesaler is quick to promote Infrarays replacement though……
I agree totally. The infiray situation is certainly interesting and sucks for the end consumer as well as retailer. For what it is worth, we reimburse all our retailers during those situations and wear the losses. Time will tell if that is a better strategy long term, short term it certainly hurts, but I believe in the long term game.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies It’s good to know you have an ethical policy and value your retailers.
Since when are pistol grips legal in a rifle?
since when are they not??
@@AustralianSportingAgencies for as long as i can remember, and i’m 53. When i was a youngster i ask dad about it and he said it was illegal, in 89 while i was in the army, i enquired about getting my own SLR and was told no way, no how, by the police. I was a regular at my local sports shop and they were prohibited from selling rifles with pistol grips or suppressors. After the big buy back there’s the rule that anything that was, is, or looks like a military rife is restricted. The closest you could get was a thumb hole stock.
@@python27au When I moved from NSW to Qld in 1993, the local army disposals had plenty of pistol grip semi's in stock.
I wasn't around at that time, so I am probably not the right guy to comment about what could have worked back then, but today, a pistol grip in isolation on a non semi doesn't necessarily mean it's banned under the apparents laws in NSW. There lays the problem, because in some cases it contributes to a ban in others it seems to be ignored and over time things changed based on the officer processing the paperwork. Hence, we as manufacturers are asking for new rules that give us design clarity so we don't have to trial and error and spend a shit load of more money in R&D before we have a legal product. Pain in the arse! Rant over.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies fair enough. I’m all for it if you can, it’s just a little surprising. The laws here suck, people are so paranoid that plastic toys like gel blasters and nerf guns are being treated as firearms. A soldier was pack marching with a length of steel pipe to simulate the weight of his rifle and was charged with firearms offences, because someone thought it was a gun and rang the police.
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When will this be FULLY AUSTRALIAN MADE
Never
It is not commercially viable to get that done. None of our Australian manufacturers of firearms is using all Australian parts as it would make a product that no one is willing to pay for. Unfortunately, the reality of Australian manufacturing.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies In about two years you might be making them for the military. We heading to a very bad place very soon.
Couldn't agree more. Then we are talking about survival, and then the price has no relevance
😳 here in western australia or gun laws were made that hard buy them making up the laws as they see fit. yer you can all say fight and i'll never giv mine up 😤 well ur not here, and hav a look at the law changing because all the states said wa was a test state and they would follow with there's, that took the smirk off ya other states. any way when the government decides it doesn't want you to have something they DO everything in it power to take and includes passing all there regulations when first granted licenses, simply get ready 😢
Agreed. It certainly won't get better.
Approval. Licencing. Go ahead.🙄
Everyone has the right to bear arms. This isn't geographical or a privilege extended by government. It's inherent.
The right to free speech, assembly and religion aren't given by the government.
These are all things the government has ZERO say in at any point and for any reason. These are rights the government needs to be harshly prosecuted for even considering violating.
The U.S. Bill of Rights does much more than outline the rights of U.S Citizens. It draws a line in the sand for any and all would-be dictatorial, fascist or otherwise subversive organisations posing as governments opposing the natural sovereignty ordained by the Almighty.
Government is ultimately derived from the consent of the masses. A republic limits and checks majority rule against even the smallest voices. After all, we don't want 51% voting to exterminate the other 49%, that'd be abhorrent and barbaric.
In the end, government should be beholden to the constituents and the constitution but currently we only see bureaucratic government expansion, needless spending (read: laundering), endless corruption and expanded fascist powers apparently seeking to equal or surpass Orwell's 1984.
Vive la revolution.
Welcome to Australia
Glock magazine
It will come, don't worry
You can buy that rail by the meter. Don’t pull the wool over our eyes. You talk to much. I’m a machinist
Hi mate, the rail is machined from the receiver block. It is not screwed on hence a separatepiece that could be bought by the metre, so no, you can't buy it by the meter.
That is an ugly gun.
Sorry, did you want to add some constructive feedback?
@@AustralianSportingAgencies That was my observation. An adjustable stock like a FAB design, hopefully it has no fist stage travel. Also an adjustable trigger weight as that is the thing I have to work on with most guns. I wouldn't increase the forend length. I would really have to test it to see if the operation of the firearm outweighs it aesthetics. I'm happy another Aussie company is making firearms. A lot of the young shooters I R/O for at the Moranbah Pistol Club will buy expensive guns just on its look. I have shot a lot of firearms in my life and own a large collection. To make a better comment, I would have to shoot it, pull it apart. But most importantly hold it. Bring one to our range once you've completed it. I have been a shooter for nearly 50 years, price has never been a factor in my purchases, but aesthetics and cheap guns have.
Thanks, mate, for the feedback. When you get to see the firearm in person with the non NSW compliant stocks, you will be impressed. In addition, there will be a lot of after-market accessories available. Hence, everyone can make it look the way they want. Cheers
Thanks, mate!! Much appreciated. We do have those fixed tube stocks available, but NSW indicated they just don't like the inline setup.....suddently. Go figure?!!
Looks like 💩 it looks like a Chinese copy of the wafl and that was a rip off
Lol don't worry, it's a prototype made from a previous prototype. Just like the .223, by the time it goes into production, she will look nice. 👌
Please tell me that the production models have the 10 (which is a PITA) hand guard fixings changed from button head cap screws to counter sunk….
I could tell you, but it would be a lie.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies Given the work that’s gone into profiling the upper having 10 cap head screws sitting proud is disappointing.
To have them proud must have either an advantage…… or is an irreversible mistake bought about by the late changes to the handguard mounting.
@rvrski1 very good engineering point you make here. I don't get it either.
I agree, very strange oversight
I can only tell you guys why and you make up your mind.
1. I am always keen to find a better way, so once you have one, let me know how we can resolve the issue without 10 screws because they cost a freaken fortune as they are custom.
2. The barrel is held in place by an adapter as a receiver/barrel clamp system is not good enough for accuracy in our opinion. That said, to make a clamp system work, you need some serious small tolerances, and machining is likely to make it much more expensive.
Hence, we used the adapter. Now, you would need to connect the handguard to the adapter. Again, you could clamp it, but you would not get the same stability from a clamp, plus you will have to spend more money on the forend extrusion. This is particularly important if you use open sights as the handguard has to stay true.
You can argue why 10 and not 4......valid question, and I believe there is some oversight here as I believe it was never tested what the minimum screws could have been to make it work. In addition, we haven't tested sunken screw heads either. I am hopeful that in the next generation, we can make changes to it, and I am certainly open to suggestions and feedback. Thanks, gents!
Can't believe that we're gonna get not one, not two, but THREE PCCs in the coming year! The IPSC scene is going to be very active!
@loremipsum2508 I know Oceania has a 9mm in the works but who else is bringing out a PCC?
@@supertrooper3464 I heard some time ago that Sulun Arms were looking at bringing out a lever-release pistol caliber rifle
22lr? 🫡🫣
Not on the cards at the moment. CZ makes an ok version at a lower price than we can make it, so it would be hard in this design. To make it more reasonable, we would need to redesign.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies not even a 22lr upgrade? Surely a rimfire bolt conversion and then it can be shot out of the same 223 barrel? Seperate mag adapter like the 9mm and bobs your uncle
You need a new upper, barrel, chamber, forend potentially depending on length, bolt carrier, springs. So all you get to keep is the lower and butt stock. So it will be a 1.5-2k investment @demby3554
Gut feel without having looked too far into it.
come on guys, I am old and past it, but I know I could design a tougher looking stock, shooters want their firearms to be faultless when in use and they must look deadly/tough just sitting on a gun rack
Totally agree mate, but NSW police see that a bit different, they forcing us to make this stock the way they like it