when you add this theory to geek remix's the dragon gods a keys theorys EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE my god this MUST be cannon. Solas come back i want to help you trust me im just as crazy as you are - female dalish inquis who romanced solas.
I noticed something odd that has been escaping my attention thus far, the "Abyss" existed before the Veil. Which shows a strong distinction between it and the Fade. The Fade is an element of nature (currently covered by a veil) whereas the Abyss is a seperate place that god of the hunt went to stalk the forgotten ones. Long story short - Blight magic is from the abyss; The Fade is not the Abyss.
Wow you were right on the money about Fen'Harel locking away the other Gods and his reasons for doing so. Most of what you said there has been confirmed by Solas himself in the Trespasser DLC. Nice work.
Duuudde what... what are you!? How did you know 3 years ago that all that you said basically played out exactly like it does in trespasser. I bet you secretly were evilly cackling when solas proved you right. Especially when you said he locked them away for what they did to mythal WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID AND WHY HE DID! *mind explodes*
Here's some dialog I just heard between Cole and Solas in Emprise du Lion. Cole - "(Shudder) Oh, a war in the Fade. I should hate to see that." Solas - "It would be terrible." Cole - "It was wrong to hide it in a child." What do you make of that? It happened as we were leaving the entrance to the deep roads there at Valeska's Watch...
Possibly adding on to this - I believe the Elven gods and the Tevinter gods (of course speaking with different names and calling to be released) are the same and that some Eluvians are in the deep roads where the gods are being kept and imprisoned and the Darkspawn search there to taint the Eluvians and release them, That the black city holds the seat of these gods locked away (and is also part of the city of Arlathan locked away) and was tainted as I believe it may lead to the void or possibly the fade was the void and that it maybe a prison for the first tainted god and was already corrupted before corrifulis arrived there only to find the seats of gods empty and was twisted and tainted by not only the city (corrupting him into a Darkspawn) but by his realization of what they had done and how it had come to naught as is said if you're a mage in the first dragon age you are what you believe yourself to be (hence his change and warped form) with there hatred, anger and the taint they went back to Dumat to seek vengeance for the lives they sacrificed (only to find an empty tainted city) currupting the Tevinter god Dumat and making the first archdemon with there tainted thoughts return conquer and gain revenge against the old gods - Could be wrong could be right could be some is right and some is wrong but see what you think
The fact we see elven ruins in the deep roads I think the city was definitely sunk. And then Solas created a barrier to stop people finding it and stopping the gods from leaving but when a blight starts it’s because darkspawn find them in the city sleeping.
This actually made a lot of sense. I thought of parts of this theory before but u put it together a lot better then I ever could. Keep up the great work!
We know the Elven Gods were mages, the Old Gods were Tevinter mages and the Avvar Gods are spirits. Where do you think The Maker fits into all of this? I personally think The Maker is not real or he was a Titan. Andraste was not "Divine" but was able to hear the Titan's song through lyrium. We all know that lyrium influenced everything in the Temple of Sacred Ashes and is powerful enough to turn Leliana into a ghost. The Titans are the ones who shaped the world. I think Solas knows all of this and even witnessed the events of Andraste through the Fade. That's why he has no use for the Chantry. What do you think?
Almost 10 years later, and it should be said regardless. You were absolutely right. I hope you make more videos now that the next Dragon Age Veilguard is coming out. Thank you for your contributions thus far, this was mind-blowing.
I think you are making a lot of sense. I think this is really well thought out and it makes sense. We are merely missing the pieces to confirm it We have DLC and the next two Dragon Age games to find out if you're right.
You've completely made me think my entire what the Black City is and Where the Elven Gods are theories through your theory is very impressive and well thought out :)
Love this theory! I agree pretty much with everything, and it really shows things I had not picked up on before (the symbol on Andruil's forehead, for instance... seeing how much we learn about the rite of tranquility in this game, it doesn't seem like a coincidence). This is honestly one of the least "tinfoily" theories I've heard, because it is actually based on codex entries, etc, rather than on something you want to see and try to justify by ignoring other elements. The only thing I'm not entirely sure about is the identity of the gods who killed Mythal, but apart from that loved it! Also!! Thanks for pointing out that veilfire codex. I did not find it but I have always suspected that elven gods had the power to transform into dragons because of the statues we see in the elven temple in DAO ( img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100117004438/dragonage/images/thumb/6/62/Object-Elven_Statue.jpg/640px-Object-Elven_Statue.jpg ). They have wings! Not just any wings, dragon wings. I've never understood why I've never seen anyone mention it before, because it was so obvious to me from the very first time I played, and this codex finally confirms it! Now for my own tinfoily things... You mention that we don't know a lot about Elgar'nan, but, seeing as he was the one in charge, as you said, I suspect that he may have something to do with the Maker? I feel like as much as we want to separate the two religions, they must be linked, somehow. In your theory, Arlathan would be the Black City, so logically, Elgar'nan would be the one ruling it, at least before it was corrupted (yay, way to put another theory on top of your theories and wait for the jenga tower to fall hehe). He is also the son of the sun, which is the symbol of the Chantry (also, I remember seeing in a DAO codex that the Dragon Age was supposed to be the "Sun Age" until pretty much the last minute because of the Chantry... some sort of foreshadowing? who knows). Now, I am well aware that this contradicts a few things (the elves who followed Andraste believed that the Maker was yet another entity who may have created Elgar'nan and Mythal, for instance, and the Chantry says that the Maker existed long before the elven gods.) I am also fascinated by the role of dwarves in all this. I don't really understand anything about it but I just have a lot of questions that I think could lead to some sort of theory if they were put together in the right way, but I can't seem to find the key to them (and I've watched/read a lot of other people's ideas about them, and while they raised some additional questions I had not thought of, the answers were never satisfying). They were there before the Blight, they had dealings with the elves. What if Cadash Thaig was not an isolated case of the two races helping each other? What if they were much more linked, and erased this common history when they decided to ally with Tevinter? Why did we find red lyrium in a Thaig of all places? What were these idols that they worshiped before the Stone (like the red idol, for instance)? Could they be linked to elven lore as well? To the Forgotten Ones (this is pure speculation of course)? Have they really never had access to the fade, or is it something that was taken from them at some point? Why is the Anvil of the Void called that? Why do we find Golems in the Primeval Thaig (which is supposed to precede Caridin)? What on earth is up with Sandal? Anyway. I am going to watch more videos on your channel, very glad I found it.
Jade Hairston I actually posted a video recently talking about that statue! :) lol ruclips.net/video/Hs02gFJQdRI/видео.html I REALLY like the metaphor of the jenga tower, because it's quite accurate!!! lol I am just building more and more unfounded theories on each other, and I feel like I'm going nuts!! :P I'm actually working on a script for videos about the elven pantheon and I was working on Elgar'nan all day yesterday - so it's interesting you bring him up! I find it strange that we don't know more about him... And I feel the same about the dwarves - which I also kinda mention in the video with the statue lol - I just KNOW there's more to them and they probably play a huge role, but we just don't have enough clues!! I love all your questions and it frustrates me that we don't have more info on them!! :( :( But hopefully the dwarves will get more attention soon! I have heard rumors that the next dlc might involve deep roads....... ~hype!~ Thanks for watching! i Look forward to more of your thought provoking comments!!
I would like to add that in the Descent it is heavily implied that lyrium is the blood of the Titans. Could that possibly mean that some of the Titans have become infected with the taint? And if so, could this have serious implications in Thedas? Especially since the dwarves' stone sense seems to come from their connection to the Stone and the Titans...
it is insane, and delicious, and AMAZING that you pieced all of this together BEFORE TRESPASSER. Like, wow. Looking back it seems almost impossible, but, just. wow! You're awesome!
That painting in the back of the barn where blackwall is , has been bugging me for the entire play through . but I couldn't find anything about it , thank you for your theory on it :D
TheRandomKady It also shows up in other areas, like Calenhad's Foothold, in the area where Cass tries to beat up Varric, in the Hunter's house in the Hinterlands, etc..... hmm!
Brilliant theories. Normally i don't bother reading the codex's when i find them, it's more like Ooh more exp! Absolutely fascinating stuff, and the ideas you talked about with the blight and the civil war with the elves also makes Solas' comments about the Grey Wardens much more interesting as well. Now i am going to have a look at another of your videos :)
from the Trespasser and masked empire: Arlathan was ruled by mortal elven mages. they have not aged with magic spell but were mortal. there was a servant non-magican caste who were forcedly branded with the vallaslin marking them as a slaves much like the castless dwarves in Ozrammar. when Fen`harel/Solas banished the rest into the fade and creating the veil the servants rose and killed every dreamer they catch.
Andruil = Sera confirmed. Forgot her memory. Goes crazy in madness (Sera rambling) and she has no idea why she's good with a bow and arrow. Sera says she just picked it up and kept shooting and was good at it. Explains why Solas is so interested in Sera. He sensed ancient elven power in her that she has yet to see. She hates magic and spirits for what Mythal had turned into and what the elven gods had done. She is rebellious against her own kind either way. So it makes sense. She even naturally knew in a scene from Jaws of Hakkon, an elven god by memory. The girl who hated elven history and just schooled knowledge in general memorises the elven gods name when the historic worker hadn't. Sera is Andruil.
There's also the phylactery spirit you learn arcane warrior from in the elven ruins in DAO - I'm sure he talks about remembering a battle or war or something? I can't find the conversation on RUclips and don't have old saves from that region but I'm sure he mentions civil war!
I really like this theory, and I think there is an awful lot of evidence to support it in game :) Two questions: If Fen'Harel's orb had enough power to construct the veil and lock the elven gods behind it, why on earth did it shatter after the Inquisitor destroyed Corypheus? It had already been used for seemingly much more powerful acts, and survived the explosion at the conclave. Secondly, in some world states, Kieran transforms Morrigan's eluvian into a direct portal to the fade. It's a bit of a stretch but.... Flemeth takes Kieran's power, and then Solas absorbs Flemeth's power. Does this mean that in certain cases, Solas now has the power of the old gods to enter the fade physically through an eluvian? Anyway, really intriguing video!!
gemgemjibabaloo hmm, that's an interesting question I hadn't really considered before. I wonder if it had something to do with the anchor? Maybe most of its power had been absorbed by the inquisitor, and thus it was kind of spent? hmm, I'm not sure! Good question! What do you think? I also never considered that maybe it was a power specifically for the Old Gods to be able to enter the fade physically through an Eluvian, I just assumed it was the great power that came from the soul. But that would be really interesting if that was a specific benefit of having that power. That brings up a lot of questions for me about the Old Gods and all of that. As for Solas having that power, I'm not sure! I unfortunately think that they may have to kind of downplay the differences in having the soul of the old god and having whatever he absorbed from flemeth, just because I think it would make the two scenarios too dramatically different (for gameplay and dev purposes, I mean). I think they might just make it that he absorbed a great power from her? I dont' know! I'm not sure!! lol Anyways, sorry I started rambling. I'm so glad you're enjoying my channel!
This made a lot of sense, actually - and I realized something while you were laying out these theories. It's logical, from the evidence provided, to conclude that the ancient gods of the elven pantheon had the power to transform into dragons. We know that there are nine of them. Take out Fen'Harel, because he's Solas, and Mythal, because she was "murdered" and ended up as Flemeth, and that leaves seven. We know that there are seven Old Gods, and thus the potential for seven Blights. Jumping off of your suggestions of an association between the elven gods and Blight corruption, and the improbability of having two completely separate sets of seven godlike entities vulnerable to Blight magic that can take the shape of dragons - not to mention that revealing that the ancient Tevinters were, surprise, surprise, worshiping the same gods as the ancient elves is exactly the kind of magnificently ironic historical plot twist that Bioware loves to spring on us - what's to say that the Old Gods of Tevinter aren't actually the same beings as the gods of Arlathan?
Aww yeah girl! This is exactly right on with how I feel too with our tin foil ideas! :D Great presentation with leading this all up! I seriously didn't watch this one until you linked me so thanks for that, this now all makes a butt load more of sense. I love that you also put something towards that art piece with the horned goddess and the demon that was spread all over the place in the Hinterlands, it was driving me nuts. Now that you pointed out that it looks more like a bear, I totally think you may be on to something. Though why shed such a pure and innocent white silhouette of her? I wonder if ghilan'nain was maybe perhaps tricked by the other gods in some way to betray mythal as well? Anyway, awesome work connecting these all! :) Now that it's got me thinking, sometimes I wonder if the spirit 'Justice' was somehow a remnant of Elgar'nan based simply by how Justice became 'Vengeance' and forced extreme brutality to the people of Kirkwall for the need of change. Seeing how the injustices of the mages and Ander's need of justice probably drew him to the mage, but with a price of extreme action. Somehow I feel that Anders was more of a pawn to the bond they shared. Especially since you can make Anders doubt the idea of destroying the Chantry near the end to only have vengeance disrupt your conversation and repossess his body. I feel like the spirit of Justice wasn't just a small character in this whole ordeal..
Eden West Thanks!! :) I am definitely wondering about Elgar'nan and why we haven't heard more about him when he is supposed to be one of the heads of the pantheon...
this is a year old video but i hope i will get response. I am realy into that whole theory of the Black City being Arlathan and that Fen'harel somehow locked the Elvhenan there. But threre's one thing that always bugs me. Cory always says that they breached the Golden city and sought the power of gods. And thats what bugs me, he always says "Gods" as in plural. not "God" as for the maker. Could it be that he knew that there were the Elven gods there. Is it a hint for a future games or is it just a mistake? It always left me to wonder and i really want this to be answered. Any ideas or explanations?
If Fen'harel and Mythal truly were such great friends, then why was Solas so appalled when you asked him to drink from the well? Especially when you consider how extreme his choices are, and how impulsively he seems to make them (sealing all the Gods away and creating the Veil vs. tearing the veil down and undoing everything as his only conceivable options...) No, there's more to this story between these two, so much more. It is clear Mythal is playing a very deep long con, and Fen'harel must know the danger she represents, whatever it is.
Loved the theories. They actually clarify things in a tinfoily way. When DA and you speak of the very old gods it reminds me t of ancient gods and peoples in our world. Our history has proven that many ancient civilizations have based their gods off other cultures they came into contact with and/or conquered by. I wander if this holds true with DA. As Tevintor took hold did they align some of their beliefs with that of the ancient Elves and their gods..possibly the Forgotten Ones? And so forth as other races of Thedas comes to be? Also, I thought to mention: Iron Bull said that he wondered if dragon blood was mixed into the Qunari's gene pool somewhere along the way...that's the reason the Quanari have dragon features. Just as the Theirins have dragon blood in them. It's just something to think about since the old gods where able to take 'winged form'. (Possibly being a dragon, as you stated.) The lore is so deep. Wading through it all seems exciting and confusing at the same time...adding more questions along the way. It makes you wander what will happen in the next DA game.
The only thing i'm really hoping for is that Bioware doesn't start over and we get to play out the inquisitor. Some have ask me how, after she/he loses an arm. Well, easy...take Dagna, Bianca Davri, Branka (once lost in the deep roads), Morgan, Dorian (now a teacher in dark or spirit based blood magic) and YES even Cole...then have them come together with the help of Varric for the Inquisitor. They create an arm attachment of such power that even Solas doesn't expect. With this power, having your elven knowledge, the craftsmanship of the dwarf paragons, Morgans and Dorians knowledge and Coles spirit works, aided by an unknown elven God, they all together create an item of Epic power to rule. But, this power and story will be directed by your past and present actions with Solas and in the end bring you to a true ruler over ALL. Now, in the end...does she/he help Solas recreate an elven world with this new item of power and destroy her friends or does he/she keep their promise and kill Solas, the old gods, and create a world of peace while the Inquisitor becomes a God? A large DLC, would start that story and end the DA series, leaving you with outcomes of friends and enemies! BAMM!!!!
Hearing the names of the Elvhen gods over and over made me go cross eyed like someone was reading me The Silmarillionn. Though thankfully not as impenetrably dense. So Corypheus and friends were compelled to go to the black city by a god, the Old Tevinter gods were dragons, the Elvhen gods could potentially turn into dragons, Tevinter had a bunch of magic guffins from the elves, were known to use eluvians (some believe them Tevinter in origin), their language even shares root words with the Elvhen language, there's suggestions in the Dalish Elf Origin that ancient elves and humans once lived together... No idea where I'm going with that train of thought other than what the FUCK was happening in the time during the fall of the Elvhen Emprie and the rise of the Tevinter Imperium.
MangaPunkSai I KNOW! It's driving me nuts. I mentioned this in another comment (I am starting to get confused) but in DAO when you learn the Arcane Warrior specialty, there are hints that humans and elves were fighting together against a force.... so what's up with this timeline!?
I have a bit of a question. A twofold question, if you will. It's not about anything all that spectacular. It's just something I happened to notice while playing, and I'm wondering whether I'm correct about it, or just didn't notice it til now. My question's a bit long, so bare with me...Here goes. I often play the game as the Elven Heroine, Lavellan, in the "Rogue" class. For reasons I won't go into here. My love interest in the game is Solas. It was after the balcony scene between them, that I happened to notice something a bit...Odd. Upon, changing my clothes at the wardrobe, I noticed that Lavellan was now wearing a rather large vial on her hip. No matter what outfit it was, and even with her armor. I also noticed that Solas now had the ability to disappear, and go invisible like she does. Even though I couldn't find that ability anywhere in his skill set. My question is this...Is the vial, worn on Lavellan's hip, Solas' phylactery? And is that why he all of a sudden has the ability to do her vanishing move? Just wondering because, if it is, I thought that was a nice little detail the devs put in.
I found this theory very interesting, though the only thing I disagree with (and this is very small) was when Tamlen saw the underground city. I believe it was just one of the abandoned places in the deep roads that powerful darkspawn, or even the archdemon had control over, and pulled him through, turning him into a ghoul.
+Blu Britian Could be! The more I look into dwarves and the deep roads, the more I definitely think they may have been more involved with the elves than at first glance. I like your theory!
Another great theory! The only problem I have with this theory is it only works around the Elves. All of this theory does not factor in the interactions with the Dwarves and humans. At least the Dwarves were definitely around at the time of the locking away of the Creators/Forgotten Ones, and probably the Humans had arrived by then. As a final point, it was interesting that Andruil was hunting "mortal men" by then. Does that mean she was hunting humans? That would tie in to the Dalish ritual where captured humans would be hunted for sport. (Albeit, the game was tied to Fen'Harel, called "Fen'Harel's teeth," but it reminded me of Andruil.) Perhaps that was why humans attacked Elvhenan in the first place. It wasn't because Tevinter was just evil. Tevinter was actually corrupted because for years, it had to fight off a crazy Elvhenan, possibly even armies of Blighted Elves. PS: This would make Fen'Harel able to relate to the Architect, as both would be representing a race that was previously only associated with the Blight for the Humans. Imagine of Darkspawn and Humans made peace. There would still be decades of hate. Maybe Solas would have advice for the Architect.
Peter Hanes Yes, I didn't include the humans or dwarves (except for the mention of Cadash Thaig) because I'm still not sure what I think about them. I mentioned in a couple previous comments that I'm really interested in: a. What we learn in DAO while learning about the Arcane Warrior specialty and in the DAO origin - that those ruins were human built, but had elven statues in them, as well as elven rituals (like uthenera). AND that humans and elves were fighting together against SOMETHING. So it tells me that they definitely coexisted for awhile, but I don't know what to think about this! b. The dwarves of Cadash Thaig helped the elven refugees against what is implied as Tevinter taking over, but could it have been refuge from the war? from the blight? I'm not sure! But yeah, if Andruil and her corrupted army were killing off these humans that they were coexisting with for awhile, I could see why they would want to fight back. INTERESTING....... (also I would LOVE to hear a convo between Solas and the Architect. That would be SO cool...)
Two things: maybe what Solas really meant by telling the inquisitor that they "hold the key to our salvation", was that he meant the salvation of the elves. And two maybe the forgotten God mentioned in the dlc is this sinner that was being references.
Eddie Wright I agree that it is weird and suspcious, and I actually have a script for a video about it! Coming soon! :D But unfortunately I have no answers.. only more questions lol
Thanks for another great video! :) I`m not an expert on the lore of Dragon Age, but to me your theory seems very logical. And as I get to know more about the Elven Gods and especially their relations with each other, they turn out to be very dark (and the Creators are supposed to be the good ones?). This makes me think that they had more mortal/ordinar with their worshipers/slaves than they wanted to admit. Imagine being a slave in Elvenan for eternity (as they where all immortal, I think.D)
Bloody Cherry Definitely! If you live forever, then if you are born into low status, you have to stay that way forever?? THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE... which is why maybe Fen'Harel had the right idea.... ;)
oh ye he did, but it turned out no better.../ I can`t recall exactly the source, but probably it was mentioned in the "Masked Empire", that the way elves are treated in todays Theadas is no better than slave elfes were treated by their elfisch masters. This + the real meaning of vallaslin got me thinking, and I imagened eternal slavery for low classes of Elvenan until the Rebellion by the Dread Wolf.
Bloody Cherry Yeah, Solas says something about Arlathan being no better than Tevinter. And in TME Felassan has his whole speech about "Who do you think scrubbed the floors" :(
Wow this is really cool, checking all of your theories now, if at least half of them are true, which do belive that they are, next DLC's or DA games are gonna be frikin epic :D Too bad that its gonna take several years before we see another piece of the story :( I dont really think Bioware will give us any huge story in just the DLC's for Inquisition for some reason :(
Makes a lot of sense but Bioware will have to amp up character development in the complexity of each ones thoughts and emotional states in order to pull this theory off. Inquisition was a lot of things but the characters lacked the personal depth of origins. Good points 9n your part. Lets hope,bid your theory is correct, hope are can step up and do it justice.
There are theories that he may be a Magister who once walked the golden city of the maker and was cast out as darkspwan causing the blight. But there are a few things that leave a little question to this for me, because no matter how people try to make him a Magister he couldn't over come the one major compulsion of a darkspawn, to seek out an old god and corrupt it. Okay, a few more random thoughts before I move to my original thought on the Architect and red lyrium; if he is a Magister he obviously feels remorse for what he did to the world making him strive in his goal to cure the blight in the darkspawn. He may also have powers much like Coriphious' allowing him to transfer his life force from one blighted creature to another extending his life the same way Coriphous did. But he couldn't get past the one major thing that defines a darkspawn, HE CAUSED THE FIFTH BLIGHT! Okay, anyways... In "The Calling" The Architect seeks a way to infect all of Thedas with the blight so that Dawrves, Elves and Humans would all have to come together to CURE the blight, rather than anything else. They couldn't very well trun EVERYONE into a Grey Warden, right? So he sought a way to infect everything, what better way to do this then infect a living organism that these races use in some way, either by ingesting it, mining it, or folding it into weapons, without understanding it is alive (until DAI)? But then, why was it locked away in the Primeval Thaig, that had been long abandoned until rediscovered by Varric, Hawk, and Bartrend? You yourself have suggested that red lyrium has been around, MUCH longer then it was believed to, obviously, because of the Thaig, and perhas used as a weapon by another Elven God. If this is true, why was the lyrium locked away? Was the Thaig not simply abandoned but rather, did all the Dwarves who once inhabited the Thaig destroy each other because it drove them mad, as we have seen it do? A good speculation, do to the torn veil in the Thaig. If the Architect intended this lyrium to infect the world, he may not have expected it to turn out the way it did. So, did he lock it away in the Thaig? Did he once again see that he messed up big time, lock this stuff away and hope that no one would ever find it again? Or when it was finally locked away, was it not hidden until it was turned to a weapon and the veil was just torn because, well red lyrium does that, it tears the veil. Was it hidden away by someone else because it was used as a weapon and it was forgotten even by the Architecht, thus spoiling his plans to infect all of Thedas? Solas points out using the blight as a weapon, is a bad thing! Red lyrium has the blight, and lyrium has always been used as a weapon. More food for thought. Here's something else I think about when thinking on red lyrium, the Architect and Coriphious; how did Coriphious gain its power? Well, he's a darkspawn as well right? Coriphious is indeed one of the Magisters who destroyed the golden city, was cast out as a darkspawn and brought the blight, but Coriphious controlled the blight, he was not controlled by it. Making him more powerful then The Architect. Red lyrium has the blight, so those who ingest or are infected by it are infected with the blight, opening them to the control of Coriphious, shown by his control over the Grey Wardens, red Templars and the Dragon we thought was an Archdemon. Did Coriphious need to use this as a weapon at all since he controlled the blight? We see the possibility that it was once used as a weapon before throughout DAI, and can see that it always brings a terrible end to even those who may have considered themselves the victors. But how did Coriphious know this? How did he understand what red lyrium was? He had to have understood that it had the blight and that he could use it and control it, to a point. So where did the Architect go wrong then? Was he powerful enough to make the lyrium, and not control it? Did he work with Coriphious under more false promises made by Coriphious to the Architect? Did the Architect make one more final error with his creation? But if Coriphious worked with the Architect, he couldn't have been a magister because Coriphous says, "The others have been lost" either to the world, or the darkness, or maybe they never even returned. Thus rendering the Architect no longer a magister and once again the only darkspawn of his kind. Coriphious obviously did not create red lyrium, he just used it to his advantage. Bringing me back to thinking the Architect created it, but couldn't control it the way he hoped. I guess those are my thoughts on the matter. My tiny connection to red lyrium and the Architect. I know its every scattered and random.
Wow, very interesting!! I think the Canticle of Silence in WOT 2 does confirm that the Architect was a Magister, but I still think it could work with your theory even if he was. Have you ever read this codex? dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_A_Different_Darkspawn%3F I think you might find it interesting if you haven't! But you've definitely given me a lot to think about in how red lyrium can play into things... I will have to think more about this! Thanks so much for sharing! :)
I think you theory is pretty accurate, this all begs just one question - who or what is the makers and how dose his and Andrade's peace fit in (Andrade in her depictions seems to be 1.) a mage 2.) and Elf ... I would love to here your thoughts on that.... and I love the twists and turns your mind takes.
Did you know that the number of old gods and the number of remaining elven gods (excluding Mythal and Fen'harel, now that they've been accounted for) are both 7? Do you think that they're one and the same, just like spirits and demons like Solas explained?
Ninja Stripes I think you see where I'm going with these theories!! ;) ;) I'm working on a couple other videos related to this idea! I'm glad we're on the same page!
I've another theory I'd like to share with you. Mythal is a bad guy. Here's the clues I've found so far. One is the codex entry for Selintir from an astrarium in Crestwood that equates Silentir with Dumat and suggests that Dumat was Mythal. We know that Coryfius serves Dumat. Does that mean he is a servant of Mythal? Next is the dialog of the witch that carries the spirit of Mythal who says at the summoning of Mythal (while talking about revenge), who says, "I was betrayed, we ALL were betrayed!" meaning she sides with all of those the betrayer locked away in the Fade. And then there's the dialog I already shared between Cole and Solas, "(Shudder) Oh, a war in the Fade. I should hate to see that." Solas says, "It would be terrible." Cole replies, "It was wrong to hide it in a child." Was this a criticism of Mythal, who hid away her spirit 'in a child'? And then of course, there's the ending bit with Solas and Mythal at the conclusion of the main quest line where she hides away a part of herself in the Eluvian right before Solas kills her and takes her power into himself. These two may have once been buddies, but they are at odds now, and one wonders just what role each of them plays.
I've kind of been curious that the story of Andraste isn't actually repeating itself in some sense. First you have the Wardens essentially being wiped out and restored by Flemeth (like a rebirth). Then you have a hero (Hawke) rising up against oppression and near-slavery (the canon Hawke was a mage who sided with the mages). Now you have the Inquisition, and the Seekers being broken down, and reformed from the Inquisition (just like they were originally [formed from the Inquisition], if you choose to have Cassandra rebuild them). All with this coming to head against the old Tivinter Impirum... just like what Andraste fought against. There are other odd coincidences between the present (DA:I) and the history of Thedas, like Andruil's story about hunting "the forgotten ones" and becoming corrupted by it, and the Wardens trying to go into the deep roads to kill the archdemons. I mean, if the Elven gods could turn into dragons, then is it possible that the archdemons are part of "the forgotten ones"? And if the Elven gods were really mages, then there's another parallel between the leader of the Wardens and Andruil herself; a mage becoming corrupted in the process of hunting evil (possibly both targets being one in the same; "the forgotten ones"/archdemons). My point is, I think the Elven gods were trying to accomplish something with Andraste (or at least the events of her time), but it failed, so they are repeating the process in a revised attempt.
DogMechanic Interesting! I definitely think there's something to this. There are a lot of parallels between the big historical events that are suspiciously similar!
They say history is cyclical, after all. There are definitely other examples, like Meredith building a weapon out of red lyrium (Andruil's tale again) and becoming corrupted by it (and spreading it to many other templars), Hawke being betrayed by Isabela (Andraste betrayed by Maferath). If Briala is reunited with Celene, kind of like the elves being promised the Dales again. I'm sure I've missed some though.
For sure!! I even get some andraste/shartan vibes from the Inquisitor/solas taking them to skyhold and whatnot.. but yes, definitely a lot of parallels!
Here's some more ideas. Great Serpent is a dragon. Dragon is Dumat. Dumat is Mythal. (See the codex entry for Silintir...) She stole knowledge of the Void which means she now has the knowledge of the blight and its powers. I'm beginning to think that Mythal is the Great Enemy hiding in plain sight in the game.
I really liked this theory, I have always thought there was some obvious connection between the disappearance of arlathan and the black city in the fade, and the idea that the magisters found it blackened and were corrupted and turned into dark spawn, makes me think that the elvish gods had something to do with the first blight, where the old gods fit into this whole thing still confuses me, and now thanks to the jaws of hakkon dlc we have seen the presence of the avvar god hakkon. So im starting to think the word God is thrown pretty loosely in this universe. a part of me thinks the old gods were just powerful mages, or dragons even..i dunno i just want answers, three games of law makes my head hurt >.
Josh Croker I totally agree. The new DLC hasn't really changed my perspective but definitel has given me some new things to think about. Especially the codexes about Razikale and Geldauran. Now I'm wondering more about how the Forgotten ones and Forbidden Ones fit into all of this. I'm actually working on an "addendum" video to this one with the new info we got in the DLC! :)
Awesome. What Mythal wants, do you have any theory on that? She wants revenge but what does it mean exactly? Destroy Arlathan/Black city and kill elven gods?
I love the tinfoil theory but I felt in all your analysis you are giving the elves too much credit. This is a personal nitpick on my part because I personally dislike fantasy universe built around the "elves did everything." A lot of what you say other than that I agree with. I found you video from the reddit post of My Theory of Everything Blighted. I posted a reply there that I feel compliments your theories presented in this video but makes dwarves also play a larger role. I would be interested to see what you think of it since I tend to make leaps in logic and then fill in the problems when they come up.
Buggy300 lol I do that too, and I saw your post! I am actually about to post a video about human involvement with the elves in ancient times, which I hope will be a good supplement to this admittedly elf-centric theory. IBut, I haven't given that much thought to the dwarves yet, but I definitely think they were involved, ESPECIALLY from what we learned in Witch Hunt.
@matthias maksymowicz (I can't respond directly to your comments, maybe because of your G+ settings?) First of all, thanks!!! :) and about Mythal - I'm not really sure what I think. We know she was betrayed, which is probably what she wants revenge for (most likely), but how? I have no idea. If she can't be killed (since she has come back to life from being murdered, OR if we listen to other theories out there, she may have been killed many times) then I'm not sure that killing the other gods would do much good. But, who knows! Do you have any ideas?
girltriesgames so. I was thinking of it and : Mythal was betrayed by Elgar'nan ,her "husband". But before that , Mythal(godess of justice) and Elgar'nan decided to lock their children who became evil. They persueded Fen'harel to help him. So they did it, but Elgar was in collusion with Forgotten Ones,gods(not Old gods, they are just simply great dragons who hold the keys to arlathan) and then he intended to kill mythal. That was his plan, to defeat elven gods ,especially mythal, and conquer the world with Forgotten ones. But why he didn't win. Because mythal(with Fen'H help) was too powerful and they "killed each other" . And now he is waiting for mythal and solas to gather all keys and kill them once for all. And maybe he is the one who killed Fellasan . And Mythal craves to kill him for his betrayal. Anyway I think that my theory is rather wrong BUT I'm sure that the one who murdered Mythal is still the most important and unrevealed character in DA. I hope you will understand what I wrote :D Spanish is much easier than english
Matthias Maksymowicz That's a really interesting theory! I am definitely wondering why we haven't heard more about Elgar'nan when he's supposed to kind of be "in charge" with Mythal...there's definitely something mysterious about him.
In the Masked Empire by Patrick Weekes, Felassan tells Briala a story about Andruil: “In the story, Fen’Harel was captured by the hunting goddess Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the halla without her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back." p. 318 (on my kindle - not sure if the same for print)
Larry Richards I'm still not sure what I think about that lost thaig. I mean, It's implied that the red lyrium or corruption comes from the "VOID" which I'm not even sure what that is... the only thing I keep thinking about is in LOTR with the balrog saying that the dwarves "dug too deep..." But I'm not sure where I'm going with this... As for the dwarves we know they helped the elves take refuge (from Witch Hunt DLC). It was implied that they were running from Tevinter, but could it be that they were running away from the war/corruption on the surface? I'm not sure...
I find your theory fascinating, but if Arlathan is the black city which was once the golden city of the Maker. What happened to the Maker? Is he myth or Elvhen or just another misunderstanding like much of DA history
A lot of the stuff you pointed out could be convincing, and while I do find that perhaps Mythal made Andruil something similar to a Tranquil, I don't believe her mosaic is evidence of that. The circular pattern on her head might look like the Chantry's brand, Andraste was not even in existence during the time of Arlathan.
***** That's true, I don't think that the mural is any solid evidence, I just thought it was an interesting parallel to point out, especially coupled with that codex that makes it sound like some sort of tranquility. :)
Just a thought but i am wondering why the temple of sacred asked was so important. Why did the orb have to be unlocked here? Why did coryphius have to come here to use the orb?
I was happy listening to this, gleeful that a lot of what you said was proven true, then you started summing it up near the end...I AM WEARING THE BIGGEST TIN FOIL HAT RIGHT NOW, YES MA'AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *so.damn.hyped.*
sure makes sense! though what about the magisters? the whole idea in inquisition is to make us think that the magisters really went to the golden city and corrupted it, including corypheus... so did the magisters arrive at arlathan actually? *confused* :(
Amit Parizian According to this theory, yes, I think so! But, it would have already been corrupted because of what the elves did to it. And, Corypheus does say that the city was already Black when they arrived... hmm! :)
1) I feel you are reading too much into art work at points. For instance, the little head swirl thing on one mosaic suggesting one god was made tranquil. I don't buy it. Geek Remix had some idea about human/elven relations based on the woman who comes out of the well of sorrows to confront Corypheus based on the fact the woman had round ears, not pointed ones. Except BW then clarified that that was a design oversight. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :) Likewise, you may be putting too much emphasis on the red color scheme. That may just be an artistic statement unrelated to the lore. OTOH, the relationship btw the blight and the elven gods seems very intriguing. 2) Your talk about dragons and gods got me thinking about the relationship btw elven gods and Tevinter gods. And then I started thinking about the Forgotten Ones. Which brought up Imshael, who apparently wasn't locked away. And, for that matter, Mythal was not locked away. Bringing me to wonder: were any of the elven gods locked away? Are the elven gods the same as the Tevinter gods, trapped in Uthenera, only to be woken up by darkspawn? My head hurts.
Larry Richards Yeah, I admit the circular shape on the mosaic is reaching, but I think it's really interesting when combined with that codex. And I'm not even sure if I"M convinced about that part... but it could explain why her partner Ghilan'nain may have rose up against Mythal (I also have more thoughts about Ghilan'nain after this DLC!!) ... As for your second point, I am thinking one of my next two videos will be about the relationship between the sets of gods, especially after some codexes I found in the DLC tonight. My head also hurts. BUT IT HURTS SO GOOD! I am obsessed. lol
Took a form of a Dragon...sounds like the origin of the Qunari race and that will learn about in DA4. Still believe that Ancient Elves have something to do with the creation of the Qunari.
not to get too much more tin foil hat but if this is true then what solas said about the fade and the regular world being one in the same "a force of nature" and him traveling around the world to sleep in old places and enter the fade in that spot then to some extent the fade is a copy of the regular world. If that is true and the black city is the ruins of Arlathan then the city exists in the regular world and the only way to get into it would be through illuvian which would explain why the darkspawn have to dig until they find one of their old gods in one of the sealed chambers of the ruins. It makes more sense if Solas separated the fade and the regular world then forced all the gods into a permanent slumber where he imprisoned them in the fade copy of the black city where the old gods remain. If you also tie in Sandals prophecy from DA2 then perhaps one of the gods sought to rule over all the other gods and in order to avoid that Solas felt his hand was forced so he put all the gods to sleep, including mythal and archdemon of the 5th blight. If the blight really can poison the old gods perhaps the only way to be free of it is for their mortal form to die and use spirit magic to sustain themselves until they find a host. it would explain how mythal brings flemmeth with her from host to host and why morrigan was supposed to be the next host to flemmeth and mythal's spirit. most of this is just random thoughts but the idea that Arlathan is an actual place in the regular world and it can be reached by illuvian is an interesting idea.
Wow. You were surprisingly on point considering all we've learned through Hakkon, Descent, and ultimately in Trespasser.
It took me a long time to realize this video was made before Trespasser came out -- it is *very* good.
YOU.WERE.RIGHT.OMG IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU
when you add this theory to geek remix's the dragon gods a keys theorys EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE my god this MUST be cannon. Solas come back i want to help you trust me im just as crazy as you are - female dalish inquis who romanced solas.
orion deleede lol I feel the same way! I hope they give us a choice!
I noticed something odd that has been escaping my attention thus far, the "Abyss" existed before the Veil. Which shows a strong distinction between it and the Fade. The Fade is an element of nature (currently covered by a veil) whereas the Abyss is a seperate place that god of the hunt went to stalk the forgotten ones.
Long story short - Blight magic is from the abyss; The Fade is not the Abyss.
Wow you were right on the money about Fen'Harel locking away the other Gods and his reasons for doing so. Most of what you said there has been confirmed by Solas himself in the Trespasser DLC. Nice work.
It looks like Trespasser confirmed much of it :P
Duuudde what... what are you!? How did you know 3 years ago that all that you said basically played out exactly like it does in trespasser. I bet you secretly were evilly cackling when solas proved you right. Especially when you said he locked them away for what they did to mythal WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID AND WHY HE DID! *mind explodes*
Here's some dialog I just heard between Cole and Solas in Emprise du Lion.
Cole - "(Shudder) Oh, a war in the Fade. I should hate to see that." Solas - "It would be terrible." Cole - "It was wrong to hide it in a child." What do you make of that? It happened as we were leaving the entrance to the deep roads there at Valeska's Watch...
Kieran ? Is the key as he holds an old god soul maybe ?
Possibly adding on to this - I believe the Elven gods and the Tevinter gods (of course speaking with different names and calling to be released) are the same and that some Eluvians are in the deep roads where the gods are being kept and imprisoned and the Darkspawn search there to taint the Eluvians and release them, That the black city holds the seat of these gods locked away (and is also part of the city of Arlathan locked away) and was tainted as I believe it may lead to the void or possibly the fade was the void and that it maybe a prison for the first tainted god and was already corrupted before corrifulis arrived there only to find the seats of gods empty and was twisted and tainted by not only the city (corrupting him into a Darkspawn) but by his realization of what they had done and how it had come to naught as is said if you're a mage in the first dragon age you are what you believe yourself to be (hence his change and warped form) with there hatred, anger and the taint they went back to Dumat to seek vengeance for the lives they sacrificed (only to find an empty tainted city) currupting the Tevinter god Dumat and making the first archdemon with there tainted thoughts return conquer and gain revenge against the old gods - Could be wrong could be right could be some is right and some is wrong but see what you think
The fact we see elven ruins in the deep roads I think the city was definitely sunk. And then Solas created a barrier to stop people finding it and stopping the gods from leaving but when a blight starts it’s because darkspawn find them in the city sleeping.
This actually made a lot of sense. I thought of parts of this theory before but u put it together a lot better then I ever could. Keep up the great work!
Mentor Arash Awesome! thank you!! :)
Just finished my second time through, and your conclusions not only seem probable, but also seems likely. You have my vote.
Eric Bleyendaal \o/
Aeschylus Shepherd well, I just played the DLC and I have some new thoughts turning in my head!!!! ;)
We know the Elven Gods were mages, the Old Gods were Tevinter mages and the Avvar Gods are spirits. Where do you think The Maker fits into all of this? I personally think The Maker is not real or he was a Titan. Andraste was not "Divine" but was able to hear the Titan's song through lyrium. We all know that lyrium influenced everything in the Temple of Sacred Ashes and is powerful enough to turn Leliana into a ghost. The Titans are the ones who shaped the world. I think Solas knows all of this and even witnessed the events of Andraste through the Fade. That's why he has no use for the Chantry. What do you think?
Almost 10 years later, and it should be said regardless. You were absolutely right. I hope you make more videos now that the next Dragon Age Veilguard is coming out. Thank you for your contributions thus far, this was mind-blowing.
I think you are making a lot of sense. I think this is really well thought out and it makes sense. We are merely missing the pieces to confirm it We have DLC and the next two Dragon Age games to find out if you're right.
You've completely made me think my entire what the Black City is and Where the Elven Gods are theories through your theory is very impressive and well thought out :)
Love this theory! I agree pretty much with everything, and it really shows things I had not picked up on before (the symbol on Andruil's forehead, for instance... seeing how much we learn about the rite of tranquility in this game, it doesn't seem like a coincidence).
This is honestly one of the least "tinfoily" theories I've heard, because it is actually based on codex entries, etc, rather than on something you want to see and try to justify by ignoring other elements. The only thing I'm not entirely sure about is the identity of the gods who killed Mythal, but apart from that loved it!
Also!! Thanks for pointing out that veilfire codex. I did not find it but I have always suspected that elven gods had the power to transform into dragons because of the statues we see in the elven temple in DAO ( img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100117004438/dragonage/images/thumb/6/62/Object-Elven_Statue.jpg/640px-Object-Elven_Statue.jpg ). They have wings! Not just any wings, dragon wings. I've never understood why I've never seen anyone mention it before, because it was so obvious to me from the very first time I played, and this codex finally confirms it!
Now for my own tinfoily things... You mention that we don't know a lot about Elgar'nan, but, seeing as he was the one in charge, as you said, I suspect that he may have something to do with the Maker? I feel like as much as we want to separate the two religions, they must be linked, somehow. In your theory, Arlathan would be the Black City, so logically, Elgar'nan would be the one ruling it, at least before it was corrupted (yay, way to put another theory on top of your theories and wait for the jenga tower to fall hehe). He is also the son of the sun, which is the symbol of the Chantry (also, I remember seeing in a DAO codex that the Dragon Age was supposed to be the "Sun Age" until pretty much the last minute because of the Chantry... some sort of foreshadowing? who knows). Now, I am well aware that this contradicts a few things (the elves who followed Andraste believed that the Maker was yet another entity who may have created Elgar'nan and Mythal, for instance, and the Chantry says that the Maker existed long before the elven gods.)
I am also fascinated by the role of dwarves in all this. I don't really understand anything about it but I just have a lot of questions that I think could lead to some sort of theory if they were put together in the right way, but I can't seem to find the key to them (and I've watched/read a lot of other people's ideas about them, and while they raised some additional questions I had not thought of, the answers were never satisfying). They were there before the Blight, they had dealings with the elves. What if Cadash Thaig was not an isolated case of the two races helping each other? What if they were much more linked, and erased this common history when they decided to ally with Tevinter? Why did we find red lyrium in a Thaig of all places? What were these idols that they worshiped before the Stone (like the red idol, for instance)? Could they be linked to elven lore as well? To the Forgotten Ones (this is pure speculation of course)? Have they really never had access to the fade, or is it something that was taken from them at some point? Why is the Anvil of the Void called that? Why do we find Golems in the Primeval Thaig (which is supposed to precede Caridin)? What on earth is up with Sandal?
Anyway. I am going to watch more videos on your channel, very glad I found it.
Jade Hairston I actually posted a video recently talking about that statue! :) lol ruclips.net/video/Hs02gFJQdRI/видео.html
I REALLY like the metaphor of the jenga tower, because it's quite accurate!!! lol I am just building more and more unfounded theories on each other, and I feel like I'm going nuts!! :P
I'm actually working on a script for videos about the elven pantheon and I was working on Elgar'nan all day yesterday - so it's interesting you bring him up! I find it strange that we don't know more about him...
And I feel the same about the dwarves - which I also kinda mention in the video with the statue lol - I just KNOW there's more to them and they probably play a huge role, but we just don't have enough clues!! I love all your questions and it frustrates me that we don't have more info on them!! :( :( But hopefully the dwarves will get more attention soon! I have heard rumors that the next dlc might involve deep roads....... ~hype!~
Thanks for watching! i Look forward to more of your thought provoking comments!!
I would like to add that in the Descent it is heavily implied that lyrium is the blood of the Titans. Could that possibly mean that some of the Titans have become infected with the taint? And if so, could this have serious implications in Thedas? Especially since the dwarves' stone sense seems to come from their connection to the Stone and the Titans...
it is insane, and delicious, and AMAZING that you pieced all of this together BEFORE TRESPASSER. Like, wow. Looking back it seems almost impossible, but, just. wow! You're awesome!
Thank you! 😊
and several months later, it turned out you were completely right! Well done.
That painting in the back of the barn where blackwall is , has been bugging me for the entire play through . but I couldn't find anything about it , thank you for your theory on it :D
TheRandomKady It also shows up in other areas, like Calenhad's Foothold, in the area where Cass tries to beat up Varric, in the Hunter's house in the Hinterlands, etc..... hmm!
Amazing how much you called before the "Trespasser" DLC! Crazy, tin-foiled like a fox! And I thought Lady insanity had a mastery of the lore...
Brilliant theories. Normally i don't bother reading the codex's when i find them, it's more like Ooh more exp! Absolutely fascinating stuff, and the ideas you talked about with the blight and the civil war with the elves also makes Solas' comments about the Grey Wardens much more interesting as well. Now i am going to have a look at another of your videos :)
I think you hit the nail on the head. Good work here!
Dirt bag Bianca XD
Jem Rau lol glad someone appreciated that ;)
from the Trespasser and masked empire: Arlathan was ruled by mortal elven mages. they have not aged with magic spell but were mortal. there was a servant non-magican caste who were forcedly branded with the vallaslin marking them as a slaves much like the castless dwarves in Ozrammar. when Fen`harel/Solas banished the rest into the fade and creating the veil the
servants rose and killed every dreamer they catch.
So happy I found you. Saw your video in the recommended section and clicked on it. I feel like I just came home lol. Love this video so much!
I am ROSSO /opens arms/ Welcome home! :)
I'm so happy you found me, too! :) Thanks!!!!
It makes a lot of sense. The blight thing kinda brought it all together for me. I think this theory is a winner!!!
Andruil = Sera confirmed. Forgot her memory. Goes crazy in madness (Sera rambling) and she has no idea why she's good with a bow and arrow. Sera says she just picked it up and kept shooting and was good at it. Explains why Solas is so interested in Sera. He sensed ancient elven power in her that she has yet to see. She hates magic and spirits for what Mythal had turned into and what the elven gods had done. She is rebellious against her own kind either way. So it makes sense. She even naturally knew in a scene from Jaws of Hakkon, an elven god by memory. The girl who hated elven history and just schooled knowledge in general memorises the elven gods name when the historic worker hadn't. Sera is Andruil.
AND WITH THE THEORY THAT ANDRUIL AND GHILAIN'NAIN WERE LOVERS IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT SERA WOULD REMEMBER IT OMG
There's also the phylactery spirit you learn arcane warrior from in the elven ruins in DAO - I'm sure he talks about remembering a battle or war or something? I can't find the conversation on RUclips and don't have old saves from that region but I'm sure he mentions civil war!
I really like this theory, and I think there is an awful lot of evidence to support it in game :)
Two questions: If Fen'Harel's orb had enough power to construct the veil and lock the elven gods behind it, why on earth did it shatter after the Inquisitor destroyed Corypheus? It had already been used for seemingly much more powerful acts, and survived the explosion at the conclave.
Secondly, in some world states, Kieran transforms Morrigan's eluvian into a direct portal to the fade. It's a bit of a stretch but.... Flemeth takes Kieran's power, and then Solas absorbs Flemeth's power. Does this mean that in certain cases, Solas now has the power of the old gods to enter the fade physically through an eluvian?
Anyway, really intriguing video!!
gemgemjibabaloo hmm, that's an interesting question I hadn't really considered before. I wonder if it had something to do with the anchor? Maybe most of its power had been absorbed by the inquisitor, and thus it was kind of spent? hmm, I'm not sure! Good question! What do you think?
I also never considered that maybe it was a power specifically for the Old Gods to be able to enter the fade physically through an Eluvian, I just assumed it was the great power that came from the soul. But that would be really interesting if that was a specific benefit of having that power. That brings up a lot of questions for me about the Old Gods and all of that.
As for Solas having that power, I'm not sure! I unfortunately think that they may have to kind of downplay the differences in having the soul of the old god and having whatever he absorbed from flemeth, just because I think it would make the two scenarios too dramatically different (for gameplay and dev purposes, I mean). I think they might just make it that he absorbed a great power from her? I dont' know! I'm not sure!! lol
Anyways, sorry I started rambling. I'm so glad you're enjoying my channel!
This made a lot of sense, actually - and I realized something while you were laying out these theories. It's logical, from the evidence provided, to conclude that the ancient gods of the elven pantheon had the power to transform into dragons. We know that there are nine of them. Take out Fen'Harel, because he's Solas, and Mythal, because she was "murdered" and ended up as Flemeth, and that leaves seven. We know that there are seven Old Gods, and thus the potential for seven Blights. Jumping off of your suggestions of an association between the elven gods and Blight corruption, and the improbability of having two completely separate sets of seven godlike entities vulnerable to Blight magic that can take the shape of dragons - not to mention that revealing that the ancient Tevinters were, surprise, surprise, worshiping the same gods as the ancient elves is exactly the kind of magnificently ironic historical plot twist that Bioware loves to spring on us - what's to say that the Old Gods of Tevinter aren't actually the same beings as the gods of Arlathan?
Madi Lavellan I think you see where I'm going with my theories!! ;) ;) I hope you'll like my upcoming videos! We are totally on the same page!!!
Ok, I gotta admit that you made this fan theory vid before the Trespasser DLC and you were veeeery close to the truth about Fen'Harel and the Veil.
Aww yeah girl! This is exactly right on with how I feel too with our tin foil ideas! :D Great presentation with leading this all up! I seriously didn't watch this one until you linked me so thanks for that, this now all makes a butt load more of sense. I love that you also put something towards that art piece with the horned goddess and the demon that was spread all over the place in the Hinterlands, it was driving me nuts. Now that you pointed out that it looks more like a bear, I totally think you may be on to something. Though why shed such a pure and innocent white silhouette of her? I wonder if ghilan'nain was maybe perhaps tricked by the other gods in some way to betray mythal as well?
Anyway, awesome work connecting these all! :) Now that it's got me thinking, sometimes I wonder if the spirit 'Justice' was somehow a remnant of Elgar'nan based simply by how Justice became 'Vengeance' and forced extreme brutality to the people of Kirkwall for the need of change. Seeing how the injustices of the mages and Ander's need of justice probably drew him to the mage, but with a price of extreme action. Somehow I feel that Anders was more of a pawn to the bond they shared. Especially since you can make Anders doubt the idea of destroying the Chantry near the end to only have vengeance disrupt your conversation and repossess his body. I feel like the spirit of Justice wasn't just a small character in this whole ordeal..
Eden West Thanks!! :)
I am definitely wondering about Elgar'nan and why we haven't heard more about him when he is supposed to be one of the heads of the pantheon...
Yeah that is also really bothering me too! :/ Especially since there really wasn't even much said about him in DA I.
Well, you were almost spot on on your theory! Excellent video.
this is a year old video but i hope i will get response.
I am realy into that whole theory of the Black City being Arlathan and that Fen'harel somehow locked the Elvhenan there. But threre's one thing that always bugs me.
Cory always says that they breached the Golden city and sought the power of gods. And thats what bugs me, he always says "Gods" as in plural. not "God" as for the maker. Could it be that he knew that there were the Elven gods there. Is it a hint for a future games or is it just a mistake?
It always left me to wonder and i really want this to be answered.
Any ideas or explanations?
If Fen'harel and Mythal truly were such great friends, then why was Solas so appalled when you asked him to drink from the well? Especially when you consider how extreme his choices are, and how impulsively he seems to make them (sealing all the Gods away and creating the Veil vs. tearing the veil down and undoing everything as his only conceivable options...) No, there's more to this story between these two, so much more. It is clear Mythal is playing a very deep long con, and Fen'harel must know the danger she represents, whatever it is.
Loved the theories. They actually clarify things in a tinfoily way. When DA and you speak of the very old gods it reminds me t of ancient gods and peoples in our world. Our history has proven that many ancient civilizations have based their gods off other cultures they came into contact with and/or conquered by. I wander if this holds true with DA. As Tevintor took hold did they align some of their beliefs with that of the ancient Elves and their gods..possibly the Forgotten Ones? And so forth as other races of Thedas comes to be? Also, I thought to mention: Iron Bull said that he wondered if dragon blood was mixed into the Qunari's gene pool somewhere along the way...that's the reason the Quanari have dragon features. Just as the Theirins have dragon blood in them. It's just something to think about since the old gods where able to take 'winged form'. (Possibly being a dragon, as you stated.) The lore is so deep. Wading through it all seems exciting and confusing at the same time...adding more questions along the way. It makes you wander what will happen in the next DA game.
The only thing i'm really hoping for is that Bioware doesn't start over and we get to play out the inquisitor. Some have ask me how, after she/he loses an arm. Well, easy...take Dagna, Bianca Davri, Branka (once lost in the deep roads), Morgan, Dorian (now a teacher in dark or spirit based blood magic) and YES even Cole...then have them come together with the help of Varric for the Inquisitor. They create an arm attachment of such power that even Solas doesn't expect. With this power, having your elven knowledge, the craftsmanship of the dwarf paragons, Morgans and Dorians knowledge and Coles spirit works, aided by an unknown elven God, they all together create an item of Epic power to rule. But, this power and story will be directed by your past and present actions with Solas and in the end bring you to a true ruler over ALL. Now, in the end...does she/he help Solas recreate an elven world with this new item of power and destroy her friends or does he/she keep their promise and kill Solas, the old gods, and create a world of peace while the Inquisitor becomes a God? A large DLC, would start that story and end the DA series, leaving you with outcomes of friends and enemies! BAMM!!!!
you open my eye to many things thank you
Nawaf Waleed Thanks for watching! I don't know if I'm right, because I'm taking A LOT of guesses, but we'll see! :)
Hearing the names of the Elvhen gods over and over made me go cross eyed like someone was reading me The Silmarillionn. Though thankfully not as impenetrably dense.
So Corypheus and friends were compelled to go to the black city by a god, the Old Tevinter gods were dragons, the Elvhen gods could potentially turn into dragons, Tevinter had a bunch of magic guffins from the elves, were known to use eluvians (some believe them Tevinter in origin), their language even shares root words with the Elvhen language, there's suggestions in the Dalish Elf Origin that ancient elves and humans once lived together...
No idea where I'm going with that train of thought other than what the FUCK was happening in the time during the fall of the Elvhen Emprie and the rise of the Tevinter Imperium.
MangaPunkSai I KNOW! It's driving me nuts. I mentioned this in another comment (I am starting to get confused) but in DAO when you learn the Arcane Warrior specialty, there are hints that humans and elves were fighting together against a force.... so what's up with this timeline!?
Dear god(s). Reading that book gave me such a headache. Yet I could not stop.
I can't stop thinking about this game!!!! Save me! lol
I think your theory makes a LOT of sense and is spot on!
***** Thanks!! I know there are some shaky bits of evidence that even I question myself, but it's the theory I like best so far! :)
I have a bit of a question. A twofold question, if you will. It's not about anything all that spectacular. It's just something I happened to notice while playing, and I'm wondering whether I'm correct about it, or just didn't notice it til now. My question's a bit long, so bare with me...Here goes. I often play the game as the Elven Heroine, Lavellan, in the "Rogue" class. For reasons I won't go into here. My love interest in the game is Solas. It was after the balcony scene between them, that I happened to notice something a bit...Odd. Upon, changing my clothes at the wardrobe, I noticed that Lavellan was now wearing a rather large vial on her hip. No matter what outfit it was, and even with her armor. I also noticed that Solas now had the ability to disappear, and go invisible like she does. Even though I couldn't find that ability anywhere in his skill set. My question is this...Is the vial, worn on Lavellan's hip, Solas' phylactery? And is that why he all of a sudden has the ability to do her vanishing move? Just wondering because, if it is, I thought that was a nice little detail the devs put in.
I found this theory very interesting, though the only thing I disagree with (and this is very small) was when Tamlen saw the underground city. I believe it was just one of the abandoned places in the deep roads that powerful darkspawn, or even the archdemon had control over, and pulled him through, turning him into a ghoul.
+Blu Britian Could be! The more I look into dwarves and the deep roads, the more I definitely think they may have been more involved with the elves than at first glance. I like your theory!
Another great theory! The only problem I have with this theory is it only works around the Elves. All of this theory does not factor in the interactions with the Dwarves and humans. At least the Dwarves were definitely around at the time of the locking away of the Creators/Forgotten Ones, and probably the Humans had arrived by then.
As a final point, it was interesting that Andruil was hunting "mortal men" by then. Does that mean she was hunting humans? That would tie in to the Dalish ritual where captured humans would be hunted for sport. (Albeit, the game was tied to Fen'Harel, called "Fen'Harel's teeth," but it reminded me of Andruil.) Perhaps that was why humans attacked Elvhenan in the first place. It wasn't because Tevinter was just evil. Tevinter was actually corrupted because for years, it had to fight off a crazy Elvhenan, possibly even armies of Blighted Elves.
PS: This would make Fen'Harel able to relate to the Architect, as both would be representing a race that was previously only associated with the Blight for the Humans. Imagine of Darkspawn and Humans made peace. There would still be decades of hate. Maybe Solas would have advice for the Architect.
Peter Hanes Yes, I didn't include the humans or dwarves (except for the mention of Cadash Thaig) because I'm still not sure what I think about them. I mentioned in a couple previous comments that I'm really interested in:
a. What we learn in DAO while learning about the Arcane Warrior specialty and in the DAO origin - that those ruins were human built, but had elven statues in them, as well as elven rituals (like uthenera). AND that humans and elves were fighting together against SOMETHING. So it tells me that they definitely coexisted for awhile, but I don't know what to think about this!
b. The dwarves of Cadash Thaig helped the elven refugees against what is implied as Tevinter taking over, but could it have been refuge from the war? from the blight? I'm not sure!
But yeah, if Andruil and her corrupted army were killing off these humans that they were coexisting with for awhile, I could see why they would want to fight back.
INTERESTING....... (also I would LOVE to hear a convo between Solas and the Architect. That would be SO cool...)
Two things: maybe what Solas really meant by telling the inquisitor that they "hold the key to our salvation", was that he meant the salvation of the elves. And two maybe the forgotten God mentioned in the dlc is this sinner that was being references.
peepseye1 I think that's definitely possible! :D
Thankyou for your videos, I love them all!
Subbed :)
But what ever happened to Elgar'nan the first if the Elven God's though, cause they talk about Mythal but not to much about him
Eddie Wright I agree that it is weird and suspcious, and I actually have a script for a video about it! Coming soon! :D But unfortunately I have no answers.. only more questions lol
this was cool to whach and i learnd more lore of DA thanks for this keep up the work
Thanks for another great video! :) I`m not an expert on the lore of Dragon Age, but to me your theory seems very logical. And as I get to know more about the Elven Gods and especially their relations with each other, they turn out to be very dark (and the Creators are supposed to be the good ones?). This makes me think that they had more mortal/ordinar with their worshipers/slaves than they wanted to admit.
Imagine being a slave in Elvenan for eternity (as they where all immortal, I think.D)
Bloody Cherry Definitely! If you live forever, then if you are born into low status, you have to stay that way forever?? THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE... which is why maybe Fen'Harel had the right idea.... ;)
oh ye he did, but it turned out no better.../
I can`t recall exactly the source, but probably it was mentioned in the "Masked Empire", that the way elves are treated in todays Theadas is no better than slave elfes were treated by their elfisch masters. This + the real meaning of vallaslin got me thinking, and I imagened eternal slavery for low classes of Elvenan until the Rebellion by the Dread Wolf.
Bloody Cherry Yeah, Solas says something about Arlathan being no better than Tevinter. And in TME Felassan has his whole speech about "Who do you think scrubbed the floors" :(
Wow this is really cool, checking all of your theories now, if at least half of them are true, which do belive that they are, next DLC's or DA games are gonna be frikin epic :D
Too bad that its gonna take several years before we see another piece of the story :( I dont really think Bioware will give us any huge story in just the DLC's for Inquisition for some reason :(
KaiSaeren Yeah, I think so too unfortunately :( I am still SO EXCITED though!! :D Thanks so much for watching!
Makes a lot of sense but Bioware will have to amp up character development in the complexity of each ones thoughts and emotional states in order to pull this theory off. Inquisition was a lot of things but the characters lacked the personal depth of origins. Good points 9n your part. Lets hope,bid your theory is correct, hope are can step up and do it justice.
The architect always comes to mind when talking about the red lyrium.
Melissa Lundeby Interesting! Why do you say that?
There are theories that he may be a Magister who once walked the golden city of the maker and was cast out as darkspwan causing the blight. But there are a few things that leave a little question to this for me, because no matter how people try to make him a Magister he couldn't over come the one major compulsion of a darkspawn, to seek out an old god and corrupt it. Okay, a few more random thoughts before I move to my original thought on the Architect and red lyrium; if he is a Magister he obviously feels remorse for what he did to the world making him strive in his goal to cure the blight in the darkspawn. He may also have powers much like Coriphious' allowing him to transfer his life force from one blighted creature to another extending his life the same way Coriphous did. But he couldn't get past the one major thing that defines a darkspawn, HE CAUSED THE FIFTH BLIGHT! Okay, anyways... In "The Calling" The Architect seeks a way to infect all of Thedas with the blight so that Dawrves, Elves and Humans would all have to come together to CURE the blight, rather than anything else. They couldn't very well trun EVERYONE into a Grey Warden, right? So he sought a way to infect everything, what better way to do this then infect a living organism that these races use in some way, either by ingesting it, mining it, or folding it into weapons, without understanding it is alive (until DAI)? But then, why was it locked away in the Primeval Thaig, that had been long abandoned until rediscovered by Varric, Hawk, and Bartrend? You yourself have suggested that red lyrium has been around, MUCH longer then it was believed to, obviously, because of the Thaig, and perhas used as a weapon by another Elven God. If this is true, why was the lyrium locked away? Was the Thaig not simply abandoned but rather, did all the Dwarves who once inhabited the Thaig destroy each other because it drove them mad, as we have seen it do? A good speculation, do to the torn veil in the Thaig. If the Architect intended this lyrium to infect the world, he may not have expected it to turn out the way it did. So, did he lock it away in the Thaig? Did he once again see that he messed up big time, lock this stuff away and hope that no one would ever find it again? Or when it was finally locked away, was it not hidden until it was turned to a weapon and the veil was just torn because, well red lyrium does that, it tears the veil. Was it hidden away by someone else because it was used as a weapon and it was forgotten even by the Architecht, thus spoiling his plans to infect all of Thedas? Solas points out using the blight as a weapon, is a bad thing! Red lyrium has the blight, and lyrium has always been used as a weapon. More food for thought. Here's something else I think about when thinking on red lyrium, the Architect and Coriphious; how did Coriphious gain its power? Well, he's a darkspawn as well right? Coriphious is indeed one of the Magisters who destroyed the golden city, was cast out as a darkspawn and brought the blight, but Coriphious controlled the blight, he was not controlled by it. Making him more powerful then The Architect. Red lyrium has the blight, so those who ingest or are infected by it are infected with the blight, opening them to the control of Coriphious, shown by his control over the Grey Wardens, red Templars and the Dragon we thought was an Archdemon. Did Coriphious need to use this as a weapon at all since he controlled the blight? We see the possibility that it was once used as a weapon before throughout DAI, and can see that it always brings a terrible end to even those who may have considered themselves the victors. But how did Coriphious know this? How did he understand what red lyrium was? He had to have understood that it had the blight and that he could use it and control it, to a point. So where did the Architect go wrong then? Was he powerful enough to make the lyrium, and not control it? Did he work with Coriphious under more false promises made by Coriphious to the Architect? Did the Architect make one more final error with his creation? But if Coriphious worked with the Architect, he couldn't have been a magister because Coriphous says, "The others have been lost" either to the world, or the darkness, or maybe they never even returned. Thus rendering the Architect no longer a magister and once again the only darkspawn of his kind. Coriphious obviously did not create red lyrium, he just used it to his advantage. Bringing me back to thinking the Architect created it, but couldn't control it the way he hoped. I guess those are my thoughts on the matter. My tiny connection to red lyrium and the Architect. I know its every scattered and random.
Wow, very interesting!! I think the Canticle of Silence in WOT 2 does confirm that the Architect was a Magister, but I still think it could work with your theory even if he was.
Have you ever read this codex? dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_A_Different_Darkspawn%3F
I think you might find it interesting if you haven't!
But you've definitely given me a lot to think about in how red lyrium can play into things... I will have to think more about this! Thanks so much for sharing! :)
I have read this one, it leaves me to wonder what this was, and how its going to come into play in the future.
I think you theory is pretty accurate, this all begs just one question - who or what is the makers and how dose his and Andrade's peace fit in (Andrade in her depictions seems to be 1.) a mage 2.) and Elf ... I would love to here your thoughts on that....
and I love the twists and turns your mind takes.
OMG this is exactly what I was thinking!
Did you know that the number of old gods and the number of remaining elven gods (excluding Mythal and Fen'harel, now that they've been accounted for) are both 7? Do you think that they're one and the same, just like spirits and demons like Solas explained?
Ninja Stripes I think you see where I'm going with these theories!! ;) ;) I'm working on a couple other videos related to this idea! I'm glad we're on the same page!
Solas: "I don't believe they sing songs about Falon'Din's vanity
Me: Go ahead guy whose name literally means pride....
I've another theory I'd like to share with you. Mythal is a bad guy. Here's the clues I've found so far. One is the codex entry for Selintir from an astrarium in Crestwood that equates Silentir with Dumat and suggests that Dumat was Mythal. We know that Coryfius serves Dumat. Does that mean he is a servant of Mythal? Next is the dialog of the witch that carries the spirit of Mythal who says at the summoning of Mythal (while talking about revenge), who says, "I was betrayed, we ALL were betrayed!" meaning she sides with all of those the betrayer locked away in the Fade. And then there's the dialog I already shared between Cole and Solas, "(Shudder) Oh, a war in the Fade. I should hate to see that." Solas says, "It would be terrible." Cole replies, "It was wrong to hide it in a child." Was this a criticism of Mythal, who hid away her spirit 'in a child'? And then of course, there's the ending bit with Solas and Mythal at the conclusion of the main quest line where she hides away a part of herself in the Eluvian right before Solas kills her and takes her power into himself. These two may have once been buddies, but they are at odds now, and one wonders just what role each of them plays.
I've kind of been curious that the story of Andraste isn't actually repeating itself in some sense. First you have the Wardens essentially being wiped out and restored by Flemeth (like a rebirth). Then you have a hero (Hawke) rising up against oppression and near-slavery (the canon Hawke was a mage who sided with the mages). Now you have the Inquisition, and the Seekers being broken down, and reformed from the Inquisition (just like they were originally [formed from the Inquisition], if you choose to have Cassandra rebuild them). All with this coming to head against the old Tivinter Impirum... just like what Andraste fought against.
There are other odd coincidences between the present (DA:I) and the history of Thedas, like Andruil's story about hunting "the forgotten ones" and becoming corrupted by it, and the Wardens trying to go into the deep roads to kill the archdemons. I mean, if the Elven gods could turn into dragons, then is it possible that the archdemons are part of "the forgotten ones"? And if the Elven gods were really mages, then there's another parallel between the leader of the Wardens and Andruil herself; a mage becoming corrupted in the process of hunting evil (possibly both targets being one in the same; "the forgotten ones"/archdemons).
My point is, I think the Elven gods were trying to accomplish something with Andraste (or at least the events of her time), but it failed, so they are repeating the process in a revised attempt.
DogMechanic Interesting! I definitely think there's something to this. There are a lot of parallels between the big historical events that are suspiciously similar!
They say history is cyclical, after all.
There are definitely other examples, like Meredith building a weapon out of red lyrium (Andruil's tale again) and becoming corrupted by it (and spreading it to many other templars), Hawke being betrayed by Isabela (Andraste betrayed by Maferath). If Briala is reunited with Celene, kind of like the elves being promised the Dales again. I'm sure I've missed some though.
For sure!! I even get some andraste/shartan vibes from the Inquisitor/solas taking them to skyhold and whatnot.. but yes, definitely a lot of parallels!
Ohh. That's a good one.
Here's some more ideas. Great Serpent is a dragon. Dragon is Dumat. Dumat is Mythal. (See the codex entry for Silintir...) She stole knowledge of the Void which means she now has the knowledge of the blight and its powers. I'm beginning to think that Mythal is the Great Enemy hiding in plain sight in the game.
I really liked this theory, I have always thought there was some obvious connection between the disappearance of arlathan and the black city in the fade, and the idea that the magisters found it blackened and were corrupted and turned into dark spawn, makes me think that the elvish gods had something to do with the first blight, where the old gods fit into this whole thing still confuses me, and now thanks to the jaws of hakkon dlc we have seen the presence of the avvar god hakkon. So im starting to think the word God is thrown pretty loosely in this universe. a part of me thinks the old gods were just powerful mages, or dragons even..i dunno i just want answers, three games of law makes my head hurt >.
Josh Croker I totally agree. The new DLC hasn't really changed my perspective but definitel has given me some new things to think about. Especially the codexes about Razikale and Geldauran. Now I'm wondering more about how the Forgotten ones and Forbidden Ones fit into all of this. I'm actually working on an "addendum" video to this one with the new info we got in the DLC! :)
Awesome. What Mythal wants, do you have any theory on that? She wants revenge but what does it mean exactly? Destroy Arlathan/Black city and kill elven gods?
You know for a completely out there theory, it sounds quite believable...but I might be biased since its pretty much the same as mine xD
I love the tinfoil theory but I felt in all your analysis you are giving the elves too much credit. This is a personal nitpick on my part because I personally dislike fantasy universe built around the "elves did everything." A lot of what you say other than that I agree with. I found you video from the reddit post of My Theory of Everything Blighted. I posted a reply there that I feel compliments your theories presented in this video but makes dwarves also play a larger role. I would be interested to see what you think of it since I tend to make leaps in logic and then fill in the problems when they come up.
Buggy300 lol I do that too, and I saw your post! I am actually about to post a video about human involvement with the elves in ancient times, which I hope will be a good supplement to this admittedly elf-centric theory. IBut, I haven't given that much thought to the dwarves yet, but I definitely think they were involved, ESPECIALLY from what we learned in Witch Hunt.
your videos are very good. please continue these videos for dragon age. there are a lot of lore that I want to hear your opinion about.
@matthias maksymowicz (I can't respond directly to your comments, maybe because of your G+ settings?) First of all, thanks!!! :) and about Mythal - I'm not really sure what I think. We know she was betrayed, which is probably what she wants revenge for (most likely), but how? I have no idea. If she can't be killed (since she has come back to life from being murdered, OR if we listen to other theories out there, she may have been killed many times) then I'm not sure that killing the other gods would do much good. But, who knows! Do you have any ideas?
OMG I had an idea......
girltriesgames so. I was thinking of it and : Mythal was betrayed by Elgar'nan ,her "husband". But before that , Mythal(godess of justice) and Elgar'nan decided to lock their children who became evil. They persueded Fen'harel to help him. So they did it, but Elgar was in collusion with Forgotten Ones,gods(not Old gods, they are just simply great dragons who hold the keys to arlathan) and then he intended to kill mythal. That was his plan, to defeat elven gods ,especially mythal, and conquer the world with Forgotten ones. But why he didn't win. Because mythal(with Fen'H help) was too powerful and they "killed each other" . And now he is waiting for mythal and solas to gather all keys and kill them once for all. And maybe he is the one who killed Fellasan . And Mythal craves to kill him for his betrayal.
Anyway I think that my theory is rather wrong BUT I'm sure that the one who murdered Mythal is still the most important and unrevealed character in DA. I hope you will understand what I wrote :D Spanish is much easier than english
Matthias Maksymowicz That's a really interesting theory! I am definitely wondering why we haven't heard more about Elgar'nan when he's supposed to kind of be "in charge" with Mythal...there's definitely something mysterious about him.
girltriesgames wait Andruil was a rapist? What makes you think that? could you please tell me the legend or quote that makes you think that.
In the Masked Empire by Patrick Weekes, Felassan tells Briala a story about Andruil: “In the story, Fen’Harel was captured by the hunting goddess Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the halla without her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back." p. 318 (on my kindle - not sure if the same for print)
One question: where does the lost Thaig that Varric, Bartrand and Hawke discover fit into this? What about elven/dwarven relations?
Larry Richards I'm still not sure what I think about that lost thaig. I mean, It's implied that the red lyrium or corruption comes from the "VOID" which I'm not even sure what that is... the only thing I keep thinking about is in LOTR with the balrog saying that the dwarves "dug too deep..." But I'm not sure where I'm going with this...
As for the dwarves we know they helped the elves take refuge (from Witch Hunt DLC). It was implied that they were running from Tevinter, but could it be that they were running away from the war/corruption on the surface? I'm not sure...
Me watching this after Veilguard like 👀
I find your theory fascinating, but if Arlathan is the black city which was once the golden city of the Maker. What happened to the Maker? Is he myth or Elvhen or just another misunderstanding like much of DA history
Great Job! Makes me eager for DA4.
same!
have you heard of the theory that Solas( the dread wolf) is also Shartan on Geek Remix channel
Biamca is NO dirtbag just because of one mistak, veric romance, also the void is an old name for the fade.
I loved this video so subscribing after all of that, The tinfoil payed off girly ;D
"Dragon Age4 ''Exodus''
It makes sense.
Stole her knowledge to find the void?
Rite of Tranquility?
The Void= The Fade ?
Rite of Tranquility makes it so you can't dream.
10:28 is this part of da soundtrack? Can you tell me the title please
Greatly approves.
Will you be revisiting all these theories and videos and make new ones connecting this content to the new one coming from DA Veilguard?
I'm kinda working on it right now, actually! But real life and ADHD are making it difficult to focus... lol I intend to and hope I will be able to! 🥰
A lot of the stuff you pointed out could be convincing, and while I do find that perhaps Mythal made Andruil something similar to a Tranquil, I don't believe her mosaic is evidence of that. The circular pattern on her head might look like the Chantry's brand, Andraste was not even in existence during the time of Arlathan.
***** That's true, I don't think that the mural is any solid evidence, I just thought it was an interesting parallel to point out, especially coupled with that codex that makes it sound like some sort of tranquility. :)
Yea definitely sounds like an interesting idea though
hurra new dlc - tomorrow DAI Jaws Of Hakkon
Just a thought but i am wondering why the temple of sacred asked was so important. Why did the orb have to be unlocked here? Why did coryphius have to come here to use the orb?
Former Temple of Mythal.
I don’t understand Solas he goes on and on about avenging Mythal…. Then kills her himself at the end of Trespasser
so what your saying is that he locked them away in what sounds like the web way, from warhammer 40k??
I was happy listening to this, gleeful that a lot of what you said was proven true, then you started summing it up near the end...I AM WEARING THE BIGGEST TIN FOIL HAT RIGHT NOW, YES MA'AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *so.damn.hyped.*
sure makes sense! though what about the magisters? the whole idea in inquisition is to make us think that the magisters really went to the golden city and corrupted it, including corypheus... so did the magisters arrive at arlathan actually?
*confused* :(
Amit Parizian According to this theory, yes, I think so! But, it would have already been corrupted because of what the elves did to it. And, Corypheus does say that the city was already Black when they arrived... hmm! :)
Oh u poor casuals, Solas is not who u think he is, Solas is The Maker and Flemeth is Andraste.
you have a gorgeous, beautiful mind. you know that?
I think mine just exploded though...
Excellent stuff
Paul Yates Thank you so much! :) :)
1) I feel you are reading too much into art work at points. For instance, the little head swirl thing on one mosaic suggesting one god was made tranquil. I don't buy it. Geek Remix had some idea about human/elven relations based on the woman who comes out of the well of sorrows to confront Corypheus based on the fact the woman had round ears, not pointed ones. Except BW then clarified that that was a design oversight. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :) Likewise, you may be putting too much emphasis on the red color scheme. That may just be an artistic statement unrelated to the lore. OTOH, the relationship btw the blight and the elven gods seems very intriguing.
2) Your talk about dragons and gods got me thinking about the relationship btw elven gods and Tevinter gods. And then I started thinking about the Forgotten Ones. Which brought up Imshael, who apparently wasn't locked away. And, for that matter, Mythal was not locked away. Bringing me to wonder: were any of the elven gods locked away? Are the elven gods the same as the Tevinter gods, trapped in Uthenera, only to be woken up by darkspawn?
My head hurts.
Larry Richards Yeah, I admit the circular shape on the mosaic is reaching, but I think it's really interesting when combined with that codex. And I'm not even sure if I"M convinced about that part... but it could explain why her partner Ghilan'nain may have rose up against Mythal (I also have more thoughts about Ghilan'nain after this DLC!!) ...
As for your second point, I am thinking one of my next two videos will be about the relationship between the sets of gods, especially after some codexes I found in the DLC tonight.
My head also hurts. BUT IT HURTS SO GOOD! I am obsessed. lol
Took a form of a Dragon...sounds like the origin of the Qunari race and that will learn about in DA4. Still believe that Ancient Elves have something to do with the creation of the Qunari.
someone cooked here
O.0 17:45 Amazing.
not to get too much more tin foil hat but if this is true then what solas said about the fade and the regular world being one in the same "a force of nature" and him traveling around the world to sleep in old places and enter the fade in that spot then to some extent the fade is a copy of the regular world. If that is true and the black city is the ruins of Arlathan then the city exists in the regular world and the only way to get into it would be through illuvian which would explain why the darkspawn have to dig until they find one of their old gods in one of the sealed chambers of the ruins. It makes more sense if Solas separated the fade and the regular world then forced all the gods into a permanent slumber where he imprisoned them in the fade copy of the black city where the old gods remain. If you also tie in Sandals prophecy from DA2 then perhaps one of the gods sought to rule over all the other gods and in order to avoid that Solas felt his hand was forced so he put all the gods to sleep, including mythal and archdemon of the 5th blight. If the blight really can poison the old gods perhaps the only way to be free of it is for their mortal form to die and use spirit magic to sustain themselves until they find a host. it would explain how mythal brings flemmeth with her from host to host and why morrigan was supposed to be the next host to flemmeth and mythal's spirit. most of this is just random thoughts but the idea that Arlathan is an actual place in the regular world and it can be reached by illuvian is an interesting idea.
nice video
Its because Andranste and Flemeth's husbands were jealous
music from 17:50??
nvm, found it (world torn asunder)
"where are all the gurl gamers"... playing dragon age apparently.