Classic Muscle Car Engine Disassembly - 1969 A12 Road Runner 440 Tear Down
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The heart of a great muscle car is the engine. Nick has been building and rebuilding classic engines for decades now, and he has the know-how to do the job right. Let's watch the boss as he takes this 1969 440 to pieces, and shows us what it will take to make it right.
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A real hack built that 440 motor
hey,my methods worked when I rebuilt my briggs/straton mower
I saw it as you moved it, there was a small piece of gasket dangling off the manifold. The gaskets had apparently disintegrated. As for how long ago, I couldn't say. From the rockers alone this looks like a home made Powernation special.
If they're full roller rockers in good shape with the right ratio, I would reuse them.
Joe. Yes, good point. We are probably going with the same rockers.
I'm guessing the flywheel is balanced wrong, thank you Nick .
This was a great one....enjoyed watching that teardown....
The mechanics who touched this A12 must have thought ‘six pack’ meant drinking while wrenching on it; more like several six packs from the looks of it. 😂
😂
Haha, I like it.
Great editing George. No way Nick did that job without some very colorful language! Have a great week at the garage.
Thanks 👍
I bet he was saying some of his finest French words about some of those mismatched bolts !!! Lol
George is da man!
@@rodneychapman1506 I would expect that Nick swears in Greek, his native language.😊
don't you just love the way people spend money for nothing and to give the moteur less power,nice tear down nick
Hello from Australia Nick and everyone at Nick's Garage. Have a great Christmas. Thanks for another wonderful year of great videos
Thank you, and thanks for watching in Australia! Merry Christmas.
Someone Frankensteined a 440 6 pack engine. That is unforgivable whoever put that together is a hack and should be ashamed of that garbage workmanship.
Couldn’t afford a good mechanic after putting gas in it. . .
Desperation can be a hard master.
4:34 Cougar! COUGAR!!! Shows us da COUGAR!!! :D
Brand-x I have a 67 cougar full restoration, and I work one day a week in a mopar shop! Owned this car 45 years,thanks
@Perry Elyod What episode was that? I missed it. I am a huge Cougar fan. I had a 1968 with a 289 that I raced back in the early 1970s.
I saw that Cougar too looks like a 68 GT I would like to see Nick do a show on that, I own a 68 XR7 with a roller 302
@@thomasgoens3391 . Soon to come.
@@jimmyraythomason1 . Soon to come.
At 48:43 you can see that the cylinders were not burning evenly by the colour of the valves. 2 holes have white ashy valves and 2 have black sooty valves. My bet is one of the carbs is out of sync and the mixture imbalance is where the vibration came from.
They just took some threaded rod and made a lot of studs but I don’t know why especially on a piece of art like a A-12 69 Road Runner.
And takes almost nothing to hold valve covers on...
Love the passion as well as shaming the turd that cobbled that engine together. Too bad Tim will end up paying twice but this time will be like night and day
Not all super heroes wear capes, some work in a garage....right Nick! 😉🤜🏻🤛🏻🍻🤗🐻🤗
By the way, the flywheel was way off on the the balance.
I had that problem with my 383 69 Dart , whomever had cut the flywheel in the past had cut it at an angle , it was .020 thicker on one side verse the other.
That's good news unless the vibration already ran it's damage
It's like a forensic engine autopsie, very cool to see Nick identify all the mediocre workmanship.
Would definitely like to see an assembly video that’s as detailed as this one.
Sadly that motor was probably done years ago by someone with little experience and definitely no eye for detail.
It probably ran worse after it was “rebuilt “.
The odd intake bolt and stud combinations could indicate attempts to deal with persistent vacuum or oil leaks.
Hopefully for the rebuild it wasn’t done to get past stripped threads to get to a few good ones deeper in the tapped holes.
Helicoils are great for a fix as long as there’s enough surrounding material on coolant, oil and air passages. Guys will do desperate things to try and save a vintage part, best take it to someone like Nick who knows all the tricks.
Isn't he good at this? Wow he knows all the factory correct parts
and fabrication steps; a very impressive man and talent.
You are right about the “ugly” miss- matched bolts.
Least of the problems...
I like it when these are restored to the way they came from the factory... for me these cars are time capsules..I wanna know and see how it was back then. if someone wants modern technology or power, drive a modern car..my opinion
It may have its problems but at least they shipped it all the way to QC for you to get it set up correctly
I admire Nick's attitude. Things are either correct/incorrect or right/wrong and he seems to have little patience with incorrect or wrong.
Amazingly! I was waiting for some rod bolts to be from "Home Depot"!
Nicks the best
Nick when you go to put that engine back together show them how to correctly install a gasket
@@darrenbrisson4336 . Good point. I should.
In the perfect world, you should have 3 threads sticking out on any nut and bolt combo.
NHRA sur duz , specially on wheel studs. Just to B sure U don't kill ur-self or anyone else. Machines don't have a brain - you hav-ta use ur own.
I love your passion and your concern when doing the work on the Mopar engines hopefully someday I'll be able to send you a vehicle and you do the same for me
Looking forward to it, Brett.
Very different colour valve deposits in different cylinders. Unequal combustion is your lumpiness right there.
Very observant my friend
Good morning Nick and Goerge...the muscle car community needs people like you with the skills and passion too do things right.
I called my parents who are huge Nick's Garage fans and told them, "hey, get this up on the TV right away, Nick is going through my mechanic's secrets line by line, he's covering everything! Gaskets, RTV, bolts! I haven't been able to finish watching yet, can't wait.
Great video, Nick.
Thanks for the great video Nick. Good analysis of the various incorrect parts. I’m gonna guess the vibration is from that fly wheel.
Lon. It would probably will be the flywheel.
Great stuff as always, Nick and everyone, you HAVE to watch this Mopar documentary.tried to link but failed .It is called... The Black Ghost: Street Racing Legend- 1970 Dodge Challenger 426 Hemi Documentary HVA .So amazing, real, jerks a tear..Please Watch..Real Safety Folks ..Enjoy the video ..
I have a friend that put together a 318 for his 70' Cuda back in the mid 90's and that's EXACTLY how he did things.
Any bolt that fit was used, 10 pounds of silicone etc.... lol
When you were showing the TDC and #1 piston it reminded me of a situation in the late 70's. A bunch of friends were trying to re-time a 318 in a dodge dart after taking out the distributor. I walked up and they said it wouldnt start, I said is the rotor pointing to the #1 cylinder in the dist cap? they said no its pointing to the actual #1 cylinder in the block! I said thats wrong and they argued w me for 10 minutes. Finally they did it my way and it fired right up! The silence was deafening after that!
Good of you to share the teardown. MUCH info given out about the engine and how it should be. THANKS!!
You bet!
Ty Nick I love watching all your videos and really really appreciate the knowledge that you pass down. I'm humble to you and all the others at the shop for all that you do and one day I want to be just like all of you. You're all heros and role models of mine and no lie I truly look up to each and every one of you down there and especially you Nick. I hope one day I can meet you in person at one of your friend gatherings. I'm 27 yrs located in montana and it's my dream to have a shop of my own someday and take after your legacy. I can't thank yous enough and there's not enough words or time to finish this text to meet my expectations, just know in my book you'll all go in it as gods. Ty svm
Stock internals with high dollar rockers etc smacks of window dressing, built to visually impress. Great video Nick, impressive videography and editing too.
Can't have window dressing without a window. As Nick said, once the valve covers are on, nobody can see, let alone be impressed with your costly upgrade.
@@johna1160 Fully aware of that. BUT, it's not difficult or time consuming to pop the valve covers and thus reveal shiny performance lifters, after all, if one were looking to buy a muscle car with a supposedly 'hot' build the very least I'd expect the prospective buyer to do would be to pop a valve cover. I have done in the past. The oversize fuel delivery system also overkill and fitted to impress. What other reason can you come up with for wasting money on unnecessary performance mods to a stock engine ?
In the end, it's a re-ring job with a couple fancy parts thrown in..... Aka, a lick and a promise. I feel bad for the owner. Having said that, it doesn't surprise me as most are just looking to fill their wallet with as little effort as possible nowadays. Well, it's in the right shop now, thank goodness....
Somewhere there’s a Chebie engine builder yelling at his phone
Cause he noticed the Bowtie fender protector on a Mopar :)
I don't doubt that the mix match of parts could be a problem but maybe the clutch was out of balance in addition.
i would spin the flywheel with the clutch&preasure plate all together
I would put a whole new assembly on while I have the engine out anyways lol
Nick is a hero to the average car enthusiast I hope he can pass this craft on to the next generation
Mike holmes of mopars. All wrong take it down
Nick is the best! Smoking tires in the spring time with NO MASKS. Go NICK!!!!!!!
Good Morning Nick. A hot cup of coffee, and a tear down of an original A12 engine on Nick's Garage, no better way to start a Monday. I love watching Nick tear down an engine, and telling everyone what is wrong. I was surprised to see that the engine had stock rods and pistons, and that the rods were not 6-pack rods. I'm sure that in 1969 that the intake manifold came from the factory natural finish. I had a friend who bought an A12 Road Runner, and the intake was natural finish, and was from Edelbrock. Lots of things wrong in the valve train, but Dr. Nick will take care of all the issues, and Tim will have impressive engine under the hood when Nick is finished with the build. A very impressive video George, I loved the sound effects, and the music was great. A Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to everyone on Nick's Garage.
Love the teardown part it's the mystery of what's inside that makes it very interesting!
Nice of you to mention Grand Spaulding Dodge. Back in the late 60's & early 70's we were a couple of backyard mechanics running a '65 Dodge Coronet and trying to run with the big dogs at the Chicago-land tracks. We would look for deals (handouts) wherever we could find them. Mr. Norm and his bunch down on Grand Ave would let us dig through their 'extras' and take-off parts - prices were way more reasonable than we had a right to dream. Norm Kraus was always there with a tip or encouraging words. Seems like they always had dozens of big blocks just waiting to get stuffed into some unsuspecting Dodge Dart.
Thanks for keeping the legends on the road.
Hey y'all! Greetings from Benton, Ar.! It hurts me to see such poor workmanship. No pride in what they do. As I have said before, I grew up with these cars, my brother had an A12. I had a 71 charger 500. I am a gunsmith, I see this with guns too. Somebody doing work that they have no business doing. I have a very strong work ethic and if I put my name on it, its right.
Thank you for the great vids! You are an encyclopedia when it comes to doing things correctly, and if by chance you dont know, you find out! I look forward to seeing this engine on the dyno! They are Awesome machines, love hearing them rumble!
Incredible A-12 dr nick to the rescue for the 440 that shakes
All the bolts are wrong.i believe it has the wrong valve covers on it also I believe six bbl had shorter covers. Had done a 70 GTX 440 6BBL with the chrome package which consisted of valve covers, power steering pump and pulley, water pump pulley,lower pulley, alternator brackets,lid and base of air cleaner,and clutch fan assem.... dealer installed option I worked on one and seen 2 others in carlisle.intake was painted with engine in 69 I believe and so was the ground cable that no one duplicates except you and myself that I have seen...lol..
Shade tree wrenching. Back when I was a young, in the late 70's, we knew were weren't fixing stuff "factory". We had no money for that, so we fixed stuff "satisfactory". Get it running and moving down the road. This doesn't even look like shade tree wrenching. Just sloppy work. An A12 car deserves better than that.
A bit pedantic about 'original' though I do agree that there is some garbage there.
Those rockers,, what is the geometry like? If ok it may need longer adjusters. Roller rockers when installed correctly though usually give true rocker ratio as well as far less load on the valve train. Tin rockers are ok for low performance gunkers.
The ARP bolts are generally a better piece. And a proper hardened ground washer with lube gives far superior clamping. Factory bolts after a few trips screw up the seats where those bolt seat.
Lash caps sometimes correct geometry, and give better area for the rockers to roll on.
IF those pistons are only 25 thou down the hole you do not need to deck it with a 20 thou shim gasket. 40thou is the mininum piston to head.
Though yes I would deck the block to close things up instead of the head. 25 thou off the deck is similar to 50 thou off the head usually
Nick, The amount of work you and your team manage and produce...Amazing!
Much appreciated!
Great to see a pro who knows what he is doing sharing his knowledge.
Your right Nick, I take off my valve cover to adjust the lash, don't need they stuck on.
I imagine the reason Dealers don’t do that kind of work anymore is liability and Emissions on new cars. Oh,they will install factory parts kit parts but aftermarket performance parts would violate EPA laws and factory warranties. They don’t want the legal hassles.
Good Morning Nick and the team, I reckon it's a mismatch of bolts studs and planed heads and who knows what else causing the balance issues. Still its at Dr Nick's so all will be tops come Spring time when its finished. Thanks Nick and the team till next time stay well & safe thus have a beaut Christmas.
that was a basket case motor throne together
Damn what a shame that someone put that beautiful engine together like he was blind person using parts he pulled from a Pick a Part junk yard! I'm afraid what Nick will find inside based on how crappy the outside is..but I know it's in great hands Nick will put his love into this special engine and bring it back to where it belongs. This is a piece of history here and needs to be correct!
I would say this engine was assembled by a shaded tree hack with parts from several different engines. That would explain why there is a mixture of studs and bolts. He had to make up for missing bolts and parts like the 383 valley clamp.
I see Nick being very aggravated by the shoddy engine build. It wouldn't surprise me if this engine produces 450 + HP when he is done with a Nick build
Hey Mr Nick, those rockers look like they are some Chinese brand. God only knows if all the ratios match & if the tolerances are correct. Throw them out.
Merry Christmas to you, your crew & all your respective families.
Cheers😊
Please do an episode on the ‘68 cougar behind you.
Will do!
Nick the lash caps are used when your trying to correct rocker Geometry sweep but the scary thing is when they are used with the Hydraulic lifters there’s a small change if they bleed down and there’s always a chance they can come out . Who ever rebuilt this motor before was a shlep . After your finished with it will make 400+ easy and will look the goods aswell.
With all those mistakes the poor A12 probably drove crooked down the street.
Those rocker arms are Speedmaster, p/n PCE261-1087, and cost less than $300. Cheap China Junk.
Less compression with thicker head gasket. The rocker arm geometry all messed up. Probably the wrong flywheel. Wonder why it shakes?.....lol
what rocker arm geometry , they were just slapped on like factory rockers . why he wasted his money with good parts and did not set it up correctly i'll never understand
Great video, very informative. The camera work and editing is exceptional George.
Id have tried a rubber mallet first on that stuck valve cover before resorting to hammer and chisel theyre the last resort---!
That’s what I have always used first a good wack or two and it is broken lose and it want dent the factory thin metal valve covers !!!
@@rodneychapman1506 Depends on how bad the covers are glued on. Putting bends and slight dents in the gasket flange is easier to fix and hide than having to straighten out a dent from the rubber mallet in the sides or top of those thin stamped steel OEM valve covers. I think if anyone knows what is the most safe method on a stock 440 cover, it would be Nick.
Some guy without zero knowledge prob slammed this together in his home garage.
Those rollers i didn't see any brand name on them? You sure they are not some Chinese knock offs?
great video will be a lot of work rethreading all those screwed up holes, the last builder sure liked to glue stuff keep safe
i'd like to find the guys that put these frankencrap cars together and take a hammer the their head , It is unreal some of the hack jobs that roll into your shop . Good thing these people have found you , now they will have a reliable car to drive , instead of headaches .
Nice tear down video I use a rubber mallet on a sealed up valve cover just tap it on the corner’s and it will break lose most of the time can’t wait to see the rebuild video you rock Nick !!!
When I wanteed to ugrade to a 350 from a 305, I saw many adverts for all kinds of motor rebuilders selling big power for cheap locally & on the net.
This is what you get when you buy a motor from those "wwwshops" or have them rebuild yours. Even worse is letting your blowhard buddy do it.
Instead I ordered a 350 crate directly from Chevorlet Performance.....runs the way it should.
Great powers of observation, Nick. I learned a lot!
Nick you are the master of getting it done right
Sweet classic car channel found it from the car guys video to your shop. You guys rock man!
Thanks for joining us.
Being from BC will he have to pay an extra Carbon tax when you clean the carbon outta it on the dyno!!!!!
Hey Nick, I'm sure you gonna put an LS engine in that silver Camaro!!
In the mid 80's I worked at a garage with an older mechanic. His first name was Raymond. Raymond had several 5 gallon buckets of bolts and screws. When Raymond tore something apart and put it back together he would dump a bucket out and use what ever worked. It looks like Raymond worked on the 6 pack 440 engine. The plus side to Raymond's buckets were.....If you lost a bolt or screw you just went over and asked Raymond if you could look in his bucket for the missing part. Saved my butt several times.
There maybe the problem. ARP bolts used on main caps. Bet you the caps are not from this block and the entire unit was not line honed with those caps
Not a bad looking cougar there. back in the 70's a friend of my dad had a big block powered one .
It is a good looking car. Stay tuned for the story on that one.
E1: the customer wants that Mopar feel after we put new rings on the pistons err rebuild the engine.
E2: No problem, we’ll use these special rockers, use this flywheel off of a different 440, and take some weight off of one side of the harmonic balancer... it’ll be fun!
Giasou Nikola,
It is Friday night & finally I get a chance to put my feet up & enjoy your video uninterrupted from start to finish.
All I can say
" IT IS ABOUT TIME YOU BLOW YOUR OWN TRUMPET "
Now I am speaking on behalf of the Roadrunner. Look at the way the beautiful Roadrunner is looking at you with a tear in its eye. That tear is a tear of joy & love. The Roadrunner had heard about Nick Garage from other Mopar Muscle Car & now it cannot believe its luck, I have finally made it to Heaven, that is Mopar heaven where Mopar Guru Mechanic Nikola knows how to rebuild me probably & back to factory specifications.
I am worthy, I am worthy, yes you are
you beautiful Roadrunner.
Now to the Malaka with a Diploma who should be charged with
Cruelty to Roadrunner's, hang your head in shame.
The Roadrunner couldn't be in better & safer hands & it is catching up with a couple of its cousin's remembering the good old day's.
If the Roadrunner can talk, this is what it would say to us.
" Thank you for bringing me to Nick's Garage "
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Louis. We will do our best on the A12 RR.
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Giasou Nikola,
That is an A12 given 👍
If that wasn't an A12 car, would you have looked at all the frustrating incorrect crap and turned the job down? Are there some cars that come in that are just too screwed up for your time?
420. In some cases, they are so bad that it is not worth it. If it is a unique car, we would look into it.
Thanks Nick, a very interesting episode.
love the ✅ and ❌ by George for factory and non factory discovery
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Nick,
I enjoy watching your videos immensely. Hopefully someday soon i can send you my 1971 Challenger in Panther pink. I have a 440 with a mechanical six pack setup. My engine has had a vibration since I got the car over a year ago.
Wow, I would love to see your '71 Challenger in Nick's Garage!
Greg. Time to fix it.
l guess the flywheel is the problem....Not much else left.....Thanks it was a pleasure to watch you work my friend...Thanks Nick, Merry Christmas and as always God Bless you and yours...!!!
steve. Had the flywheel sent out to check, and was way out of balance.
@@nickpanaritis4122 Boy l would like to know the story of how that came about....Then again when l saw the big holes in it l thought how could that be that much out....Thanks for the info Nick,very kind of you....
You have your hotroders, and you have your hackroders.
Great episode!!! My guess is the vibration could be caused by mis-matched parts.... A 4-bbl. Crank & rods with a 6-pack flywheel & harmonic ballancer, or maybe a 6-pack flywheel with 4-bbl crank, rods & harmonic balancer... The choice of forged piston is good for racing... The hypereutectic / stock cast aluminum pistons for street use is what I prefer... I know that Nick and his team will get this car running properly!!! That valve gear and ARP fasteners was a lot of money $pent for very few results, especially when using the 361, 383, 400 (shorter) pushrods.... The stock cam & valve gear will probably work very well in this engine...
Michael. Had the flywheel checked, and was way out of balance for this application.
I think people silicone their valve covers because the cover may be warped and they don't correct it.
That & most of the gaskets made now are made in China so they don't fit as good as they used to when made in the USA I noticed .
@@peteloomis8456 I bought a Fel Pro for my Wrangler straight 6 to do next spring. I hope they are still a quality part.
@@jeffreyrubish347 . Fel-pro makes great gaskets. I use them often.
@@nickpanaritis4122 Thanks, Nick! Merry Christmas!
Thank you Nick for being picky. The biggest project I ever did was change the 2 barrel intake manifold on my 1959 Ford to a 4 barrel. I got lucky, my dad said the car he and mum bought, in Soo, Ontario, was a 352ci actually it was a 332ci and he(dad) wondered why parts didn't fit. I was lucky the block was the same except for the exhaust manifolds.
Hey, Nick & crew, watch this movie, Deadline Auto Theft 1983 With Remastered Original Soundtrack, just for laughs.
Somebody Frankestained this engine. Lol!
Howdy Nick 👋!, Really enjoy your show ! Lots of info in that Greek head ;.&.old school at that. Nick what is the max C. I. D. you can get using the 400 low block with a stroker crank(440 crank stroke or longer)?. Thanks
Looks like typical re-ring job by someone who fell for all the magazine hype that you need all this trick stuff. Standard bore is a good thing if the taper isn't bad and can be cleaned up. I don't like boring if it doesn't need it (at least for street cruisers--blueprinting almost always requires it). You don't want to end the life of your block early by running out of material to bore in the future. Some blocks today won't let you bore at all or .020 max while some old dinosaurs let you go .125 or more if the core hasn't shifted. That 440 looks like a good place to start from. Matching numbers is a plus. I wonder if those push rods are for a 383 from mismarked packaging. Can't believe such a mistake could be made.
So what they did was put new lifters and rockers but didn't replace the pushrods to spec? Or was it just rockers? This doesn't make sense. If the flywheel was for an internally balanced motor, I am puzzled about the wheel itself. That thing must be for an externally balanced motor? Is the crankshaft stock? The whole thing makes me wonder what the "rebuilders" did. This is just a big question mark.
Custom fuel lines with an added after market fuel regulator? Hum. If it don't want to suck fuel, maybe somebody decided lets force it. Remember, the 3 carburetors? They were leaking fuel. Maybe because somebody was forcing more fuel into the system than it was designed to handle. But what do I know. Nick will fix it.
And again as always, I look forward to each video, preserving the best of the past, I grew up with these cars but could never afford one back then, however my next car will for sure be either a Challenger or Charger 392 Scat Pack.
Thanks Nick & company for these great videos, they bring back wonderful memories, about what real cars were like and makes you realize we are lucky that Chrysler still makes modern cars in the same vein. Modern Mopars in a sea of look alike cars, are what makes life exciting!
As fir all the aftermarket stuff is reuse. The ARP BOLTS ARE SUPERIOR the roller rockers are superior the push rods need replaced too short but superior. I’d this engine has a lot of great aftermarket parts I’d reuse them imo yes A12 is a special thing but I’d do all internal aftermarket and make outside all factory
Bet the cam is a Mopar performance .509....lol everyone and their brother was yea got a 509 can...lmao go all new forged pistons,aligne home balance rotating assembly,size the rods,just start from scratch and know what you got holy crap!
interesting, yes, One wonders about how many hands have played around with a lot of these rides, I have had a 70' charger 318 and a 72' Cuda 340, both were horribly messed with, and this was back in 1992!