Vi lost her identity. Jinx became a hero. Cait became a tyrant. Jayce learned patience. Viktor lost his humanity. Mel returned to Noxus. Heimerdinger embraced change. Ekko learned to forgive. Sevika became a mentor. Ambessa became soft. Vander became a beast. Yeah. I guess they did become their opposites... Except for Dr. Reveck. He just kinda did his own thing.
@@legacian4039- Cait was forgiven - Jayce reverted to normal - Viktor regained his humanity when Jayce called him beautiful So uh...about those parallels
@@blacktigerpaw1 in the context of the OP, I'm pretty sure they were just implying that these characters went through an arc of being their opposite. Roles were temporarily reversed to create the parallels and induce growth. Only by learning patience was Jayce able to understand the mistake he made with Hextech and breaking his promise to Viktor. Only by leaning on Jayce was Viktor able to feel emotions again. Oh, and realizing that chemical warfare is immoral and inhumane is not a free pass. Vi's quote "who decides who gets a second chance?" Caitlyn was given the opportunity to redeem herself, and she took it. That doesn't change what she did as a commander and de facto dictator.
anyone else just absolutely horrified with how viktor straight up started wearing his own corpse as a sort of suit of armour at the end? seeing his face split open like that was so disturbing, probably one of the most insane transformations i’ve ever seen in a show!
This is why Arcane was so fucking good. EVERY character, down to minor background characters had so much character development. Like remember that guy who stepped up and fired the hexgate canon in the last battle after Loris died? He was shown several times before being timid in the back-line, but he overcame his fear for the sake of his people. Be it from zero to hero, from crazy to hero, or from kind scientist to nihilistic doomsday bringer, they all had so much depth and change, and all of it was believable.
Something I found super interesting was Sky and Viktors relationship. When she tells him he won’t miss her, it was such an interesting sequence, because he really won’t. He doesn’t actually CARE about her enough to protest, in that moment, sky realizes that he’ll never love her. And I feel so bad for her, because when still had a physical body. She loved him. And that was so sad.
the guy who shot the canon couldve been another league character called Jhin, altho he wears a mask and we dont know his face, but we know he is a virtuoso that can play the piano and he was in zaun/piltover for some time.
Viktor believed that people are problems that need to be solved much like he himself solved his frail body's problems with technological solutions. Once Jayce showed him that imperfection is part of human experience, Viktor was horrified about the parallel reality where everyone's problem has been solved (they're dead) and he is completely left alone by himself.
not only dead, the world was prefect for everyone that when Viktor was done from achieving his goal, he and everyone gained absolutely nothing without imperfections humans wouldn't be humans, there's no such thing a a perfect life and that is exactly what makes us keep on going, to achieve parts of perfection not all of it if we did, we wouldn't know what to do next just like how AU Viktor felt
It is sad that act 3 was so rushed. Viktor coming to the conclusions he did was perfectly timed but the war, the betrayals, and the development of a few more major plotpoints needed another act
As far i understand arcane was actually supposed to have four seasons in total, but riot management decided to just get everything in two, leaving behind so many plot points that sadly makes for me the execution amazing but with a weak finale
Arcane was supposed to have at least another season, but during the production they decided to wrap the Zaun/Piltover Story Up and focus on other cities/civilizations. They are working on three new regions at the moment, but they could've worked on Arcane Zaun and Piltover 😢
@@Meatdeposityevery second of this cost them money so even though they had an amazing story to tell they had to make it short or else it would cost way way much and they want to tell other stories as well
Dude, the isha/powder parallel when she died nearly took me out. No wonder Jinx fell apart after that. She just watched her daughter die saving them the same way she killed her family and destroyed her life.
unrelated but im kinda obsessed with how jayce doesn't leave the room while viktor is diffusing that bomb. it shows that he trusts his expertise completely but also that if anything were to go wrong he doesn't want viktor to be alone
@@lovethepandainyoucorrect. Singed would be the character that moves the plot forward. Without him, everyone, including Viktor, would be dead. Singed created shimmer but his research was sort of "sponsored" by Silco, so Silco's plotline spins around shimmer. The same with Vander, or Jinx, even Vi was aided by shimmer. I'd say Singed and Jayce/Viktor (I count them as a duo since their story is a paradox that cannot be thought individually) are the main characters of the show.
@@IsThisUsernameAvailable I don't know if I agree with this analysis, but I don't know if this matters. This show is deep and a fair bit of is layered and vague. We have known Singed had been working on Shimmer for a while: "the mutation must survive". That was back when Viktor was a kid. As far as we are led to believe, this has been going on for a while. In a way, I believe Singed enabled or awakened Silco's revolutionary fantasies, since he saw it as a weapon more than a cure. But yeah, I really loved how season 2 really brought back home the time we spent on hextech and magic and all those biggers questions. The more you think about the show, the more it rewards you with a deeper appreciation for it.
I still feel pretty bad for viktor, his reasoning of becoming like that is very respectable honestly, and his intention were still set on helping people by making their lives perfect which is yea pretty insane but compared to the pain and suffering he went through not only as a disabled person but as someone who's gonna inevitably gonna die and him being from zaun bro went through hell and back and still didn't want to just murder everyone
I agree. l don't think he's really a villain. He was trying to keep the objective he had since the beginning : equality for everyone, and to cure all the bad side of humanity. He hated war and weapons, you can see it just in the way he looks at people when they are talking about this.
I never wanted their toxic environemt to change these characters' base wants and needs, and the fact that Viktor got every decision taken away from him until he was pushed too far makes my heart break :(
@@blacktigerpaw1 He does and he doesn’t. Viktor is a different man from the moment he was placed into the hexcore cocoon, you could argue he lost his agency from the moment the rocket hit. But (act 3 spoilers) this whole thing is Viktors design in the most literal way possible. Countless realities all end the same way, at the apex of GLORIOUS EVOLUTION. They imply that even without hextech Viktor would still amount to a similar situation.
@@TYsdrawkcaB Or unless Jayce destroys the hex core, as he should and promised to Viktor. The only time Jayce was wrong. And Heimmerdinger was always right.
@@LukasKiller157 What? Viktor still dies if the Hexcore is destroyed. It was the only thing capable of keeping him alive (that they could access, anyway)
@@thongtran3041 he also built weapons and then eventually made Viktor think that humanity is the problem, when he had a conversation with singed that showed he valued it.
Him undetonating a bomb is so symbolic, kinda lets you know that Viktor was close to his breaking point for a long time, he was on the edge, and eventually got tipped over.
How both Viktor and Jayce are about to choose to step out of life, but stop as either one of them walks up before stepping over the ledge is a great parallel, too.
Eh, Viktor was RIGHT all along. The thing is, Viktor forgot about his own humanity. If every consciousness is destined for perfection, a state of perfect optimality, a dreamless sleep akin to a positive oblivion, what the hell was the rush? He thought that because his goal was the literal endgame, he could just force people into it. Jayce showed Viktor beauty in imperfection and that it's about the journey to the endpoint not the end itself.
Arcane characters reminds me of Norse myth Silko is Odin Jinx is Fenrir Viktor is baldr Sevika is tyr Odin binds Fenrir just as Silko binds Jinx with manipulation. Fenrir is considered a sign of breaking free of operation just as Jinx later became. Viktor is just obvious. Baldr is the shining god the perfect being Sevika is seen fighting for justice just as Tyr is the god of justice and war There are other similar like the tree of life, the two sides Piltover and Zaun both being equal in strength like the Aesir and Vanir war. Jayce could be the blind god Höðr. Höðr is the god who killed baldr Edit: Singed could be Angrboða mother of monsters VI is posibly Viðarr caitlyn could be Vali
Jayce and Viktors parallels are interesting but I will never ever ever shut up about Jinx and Ekko, they’re actually my Roman Empire and I just die whenever I think about them 😞
Machine Herald Viktor did not really bother me (hi I’m someone who knows the bare minimum of lol viktor lore) until he said “Choice is false.” There’s a difference between “oh yeah that’s the bad guy we need to get him” and “oh no he just said something that shouldn’t be spoken aloud…wait viktor’s dead, isn’t he”
Power blinds you no matter the type of power you obtain you will always go head strong into it. Vi fists, Jynx and her Engineering this entire show was about losing ones self to the Arcane relying heavily on it to do what needed to be done. In the end Victor wanted to save people and make a Utopia of peace where no one got hurt or went to war. One he controlled the further he devled into this power the more he left behind. When he turley became drunk was when he let his love go. Instead of calling it quits he drained everyone to keep himself alive because he and he alone could bring perfection. And he kept losing it from there drinking more doing whatever it took to stay alive so he could make his perfect utopia of peace when in the end he caused that which he was trying to prevent all in the name of progress of his goal. Assimilate all into one being so everyone is safe and everyone is happy.
@@TheRoyalHat not really. original viktor was tiptoeing with that concept of: "you have a choice to join me" and "emotions are weak therefore humans are weak". he had a very conflicting original storyline because they keep changing his tone and role (either he's a villain or antihero). i'm glad they went full out with arcane viktor being blinded by power and thinking that humanity is weak due to their emotions, essentially turning him into a villain.
@@zekexvii"conflicting about his story" I get tired of hearing this, what's conflicting exactly? It's literally piltover propaganda that has people thinking he's some evil monster. The whole point of House on Emberflit Ally was to show that it's a lie. I guess some RUclipsr somewhere missed that part of the story and just ran with him being a bad guy
I think this is more about faith in humanity than choice. He believed in choice because he thought everyone is capable of making rational decision deep down but the moment jayce killed him and embessa destoyed his commune it changed. He saw people as selfish emotional individuals incapable of making the right choice but the irony is he came into this decision because he was emotional about what happened to him by a handful of bad people and their actions.
If you look at them in S1 Jayce became powerful, then had influence, then became corrupt Viktor isolated himself focused on his goal while keeping his morals
2 parallels : 1 - Jayce said « I’m a interrupting ». It saved them both, same context, different meaning but damn this is too much. I cry so, so much it genuinely hurts my entire stomach I had to take a break. I know Viktor wasn’t going to jump but he seriously considered it. We can see it in his face tho. Jayce was calming down and shuts his eyes as he approached the edge while Viktor starts breathing faster with eyes wide open. It also kind of captures how they both are as characters as Jayce body goes for it and Viktor is more hesitant. Which exemplifies the parallel between the two Idk the idea that they stopped each other from committing is so special to me it's the thing about their relationship I maybe cherish most. The casual question if they're interrupting, but eyes that are filled with care. Especially Jayce's, I love his eyes they're so expressive. The fact he repeats "Am I interupting" so perfectly, you know that line sat with Jayce through all those years to that moment :( I also wanted to point out Viktor's hand holding his cane is shaking so bad (although it was already shaking bc he struggled to get up) for the cane to be rattling that much, even at this point after going through so much he still wanted to live 2 - Viktor being against the whole 'the mutation must survive' because of the suffering it endured when he was a child. Then slowly BECOMING that mutation is absolutely terrifying. His split face just looked like a puppet using a dead body. To me, it’s wasnt Viktor at all but the Hexcore using Viktor’s apparence.
Victor in season 1, "You dont need tobask for permission to change the world." And thays exactly what he went on to do. Only thanks to Jbroyherhood and being there and the realizaion that the route he was taking wouldn't really change the world. As per his own words, the rush for perfection was never going to end. Hat was no way to change the world.
"You waste your life to gain power You shift the game rules How does it feel to reach the line that no one ever got to cross? Does it make you a god now?"
If that was true, he wouldn’t have bothered trying to heal people, and he wouldn’t have stopped at the end when he saw what the Glorious Evolution would finally do. The Hexcore influenced him to propagate itself, but he influenced it as well, to heal people of what he came to see as weaknesses. It played on his fears and loneliness and faults to complete its objective, but he made those choices, and in the end, he chose to die to save the world from himself.
I just noticed, Jaice didn't know what to do with the bomb because he's not familiar with chemtech, while Victor who's from Zaun has lived all his life around it, he knows how chemtech works.
"people deserve to choice their own fates", said the man who chose to ignore his friend's wishes "choice is false", said the man whose choice was taken
I can't bring myself to dislike the show, but I have to admit that despite its strengths, season two disappointed me quite a bit. I feel like its biggest strengths were its parallels to season one, and quite frankly I'm never going to get over the fact that they downright ditched the entire theme of class struggle and it leaves a gaping in hole not only in the world building, but in so many of the characters' developments, Viktor included. I think he deserves his own episode, like Ekko, because although the elements that led to him becoming the Machine Herald were there from the very start, his transition to quasi-supervillain was incredibly rushed. For somebody so instrumental to the plot and the core themes of the show, I feel like they couldn't afford to sideline him like they did.
i don’t know how any other show is ever going to live up to arcane. i’m just gonna have to go about my life with forever subpar media, huh? they set the bar too high :(
Not to mention characters from zaun and piltover were all parallels of each other. Heimerdinger/Jayce and Singed/Victor dynamic, heimerdinger also drew another parallel with Vander. They were both basically the founders of piltover and "the lanes". They both had 2 students/children who were main characters of the show, and they were both cast out in lieu of "progress". Silco wanted to fulfill their dream of the nation or zaun and Jayce wanted to use hextech for the people immediately because they both thought it would change lives for the better. There are many more but my comment would be really too long.
Because he had no choices his entire fucking life bro no choice in his body no choice in his illness no choice in being blown up no choice in being resurrected no choice in being KILLED AGAIN by his partner- even his finding himself a healer was barely a choice rather than the arcane guiding and influencing him. He also grew to believe in fate more than chance because of this so yeah it’s a killer character development so well done and makes sense.
No way people actually thought S2 was good... It's fine if you enjoyed the fanservice and flashy animation, but don't act like the writing is anything above a 2/10. I'll ask this one question to prove it: why tf does Caitlin forgive Jinx enough to let her live / escape by the end? And don't say "because Vi", because Caitlin would not spare Jinx Bin-Laden because her fn girlfriend likes her (which is also a contradiction - in S2E1 she literally sas "that's not my sister anymore", 4 episodes later "what are you waiting for? He's your dad too" (cringiest line in the entire show btw)). S1 9/10 S2 3/10 at best.
I think she understood that her need to punish Jinx was more a thing about her mother passing, and all of the bad decisions she had made, si forgive Jinx was her chance to let go and came back to be the good person she used to be and the person that was in love with Vi
![Woodkid - “To Ashes and Blood” (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Visualizer]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gj-jmBi0aK8/mqdefault.jpg)
The creator said before season 2 released that the characters would turn into their opposites.
Vi lost her identity.
Jinx became a hero.
Cait became a tyrant.
Jayce learned patience.
Viktor lost his humanity.
Mel returned to Noxus.
Heimerdinger embraced change.
Ekko learned to forgive.
Sevika became a mentor.
Ambessa became soft.
Vander became a beast.
Yeah. I guess they did become their opposites... Except for Dr. Reveck. He just kinda did his own thing.
@@legacian4039singed just doing singed things
And I hated it
@@legacian4039- Cait was forgiven
- Jayce reverted to normal
- Viktor regained his humanity when Jayce called him beautiful
So uh...about those parallels
@@blacktigerpaw1 in the context of the OP, I'm pretty sure they were just implying that these characters went through an arc of being their opposite. Roles were temporarily reversed to create the parallels and induce growth.
Only by learning patience was Jayce able to understand the mistake he made with Hextech and breaking his promise to Viktor. Only by leaning on Jayce was Viktor able to feel emotions again.
Oh, and realizing that chemical warfare is immoral and inhumane is not a free pass. Vi's quote "who decides who gets a second chance?" Caitlyn was given the opportunity to redeem herself, and she took it. That doesn't change what she did as a commander and de facto dictator.
anyone else just absolutely horrified with how viktor straight up started wearing his own corpse as a sort of suit of armour at the end? seeing his face split open like that was so disturbing, probably one of the most insane transformations i’ve ever seen in a show!
Fucking agreed. Also notice that his, I guess helmet? The sides are what was left of his head
every time i saw him in that form i was a little disturbed by how he looked
I was confused what I was looking so I didn’t even know that was his corpse. 💀
I stopped liking Victor after he lost Sky and erased Vender's memories leaving only Warwick there 😢
Constant body horror. I could never look away from the split sides of his face. So surreal.
This is why Arcane was so fucking good. EVERY character, down to minor background characters had so much character development. Like remember that guy who stepped up and fired the hexgate canon in the last battle after Loris died? He was shown several times before being timid in the back-line, but he overcame his fear for the sake of his people. Be it from zero to hero, from crazy to hero, or from kind scientist to nihilistic doomsday bringer, they all had so much depth and change, and all of it was believable.
Something I found super interesting was Sky and Viktors relationship.
When she tells him he won’t miss her, it was such an interesting sequence, because he really won’t. He doesn’t actually CARE about her enough to protest, in that moment, sky realizes that he’ll never love her. And I feel so bad for her, because when still had a physical body. She loved him. And that was so sad.
Still super upset about Loris. Was expecting his big moment, only to see him get shot.
the guy who shot the canon couldve been another league character called Jhin, altho he wears a mask and we dont know his face, but we know he is a virtuoso that can play the piano and he was in zaun/piltover for some time.
@@Alexwastaken2kits def not jhin the ionia invasion hasnt happened
Yeah Piano Guy!
Viktor believed that people are problems that need to be solved much like he himself solved his frail body's problems with technological solutions.
Once Jayce showed him that imperfection is part of human experience, Viktor was horrified about the parallel reality where everyone's problem has been solved (they're dead) and he is completely left alone by himself.
Theres beauty in imperfection as jayce said
not only dead, the world was prefect for everyone that when Viktor was done from achieving his goal, he and everyone gained absolutely nothing
without imperfections humans wouldn't be humans, there's no such thing a a perfect life and that is exactly what makes us keep on going, to achieve parts of perfection not all of it
if we did, we wouldn't know what to do next just like how AU Viktor felt
thanks i watched the show
It is sad that act 3 was so rushed. Viktor coming to the conclusions he did was perfectly timed but the war, the betrayals, and the development of a few more major plotpoints needed another act
As far i understand arcane was actually supposed to have four seasons in total, but riot management decided to just get everything in two, leaving behind so many plot points that sadly makes for me the execution amazing but with a weak finale
Arcane was supposed to have at least another season, but during the production they decided to wrap the Zaun/Piltover Story Up and focus on other cities/civilizations. They are working on three new regions at the moment, but they could've worked on Arcane Zaun and Piltover 😢
@@Meatdeposityevery second of this cost them money so even though they had an amazing story to tell they had to make it short or else it would cost way way much and they want to tell other stories as well
There’s a fine line between character development and hypocrisy, arcane made characters develop without making them sound like hypocrites
I never in my life have thought about it like that. Awesome and accurate explanation.
While clearly being hypocrites at several occasion
@@Regunescan you atleast give an example?
Hipocrisy Is not bad writing.
@ never climbed it wasn’t, but it is bad if it’s not the intended goal
Dude, the isha/powder parallel when she died nearly took me out. No wonder Jinx fell apart after that. She just watched her daughter die saving them the same way she killed her family and destroyed her life.
unrelated but im kinda obsessed with how jayce doesn't leave the room while viktor is diffusing that bomb. it shows that he trusts his expertise completely but also that if anything were to go wrong he doesn't want viktor to be alone
Omg YES. Now I’m obsessed too lol
You're right on. Twice Jayce had the opportunity to run, to leave Viktor, when his own life was on the line. Twice Jayce remained.
It could also mean that if Viktor happens to die, he wants to die as well.
They truly are ride or die partners.
they are the definition of ride or die
Viktor was the main character, his story shaped everyone's in Arcane
He didn’t really shape Jinx, Vi, and a lot of the undercity. He mostly affected everyone in Piltover
I’d say Ekko, Jinx and have affected everyone
By that analogy, it would be Singed and his shimmer that probably affected everyone.
@@lovethepandainyoucorrect. Singed would be the character that moves the plot forward. Without him, everyone, including Viktor, would be dead.
Singed created shimmer but his research was sort of "sponsored" by Silco, so Silco's plotline spins around shimmer. The same with Vander, or Jinx, even Vi was aided by shimmer.
I'd say Singed and Jayce/Viktor (I count them as a duo since their story is a paradox that cannot be thought individually) are the main characters of the show.
@@IsThisUsernameAvailable I don't know if I agree with this analysis, but I don't know if this matters. This show is deep and a fair bit of is layered and vague. We have known Singed had been working on Shimmer for a while: "the mutation must survive". That was back when Viktor was a kid. As far as we are led to believe, this has been going on for a while. In a way, I believe Singed enabled or awakened Silco's revolutionary fantasies, since he saw it as a weapon more than a cure.
But yeah, I really loved how season 2 really brought back home the time we spent on hextech and magic and all those biggers questions. The more you think about the show, the more it rewards you with a deeper appreciation for it.
No idiot, it's obviously the evil sandwich that did it
I still feel pretty bad for viktor, his reasoning of becoming like that is very respectable honestly, and his intention were still set on helping people by making their lives perfect which is yea pretty insane but compared to the pain and suffering he went through not only as a disabled person but as someone who's gonna inevitably gonna die and him being from zaun bro went through hell and back and still didn't want to just murder everyone
I agree. l don't think he's really a villain. He was trying to keep the objective he had since the beginning : equality for everyone, and to cure all the bad side of humanity. He hated war and weapons, you can see it just in the way he looks at people when they are talking about this.
I never wanted their toxic environemt to change these characters' base wants and needs, and the fact that Viktor got every decision taken away from him until he was pushed too far makes my heart break :(
Well he had no agency in S2, so....
@@blacktigerpaw1 He does and he doesn’t.
Viktor is a different man from the moment he was placed into the hexcore cocoon, you could argue he lost his agency from the moment the rocket hit. But (act 3 spoilers) this whole thing is Viktors design in the most literal way possible.
Countless realities all end the same way, at the apex of GLORIOUS EVOLUTION. They imply that even without hextech Viktor would still amount to a similar situation.
@@billqiu4692 viktor dies unless hextech exists
@@TYsdrawkcaB Or unless Jayce destroys the hex core, as he should and promised to Viktor. The only time Jayce was wrong. And Heimmerdinger was always right.
@@LukasKiller157 What? Viktor still dies if the Hexcore is destroyed. It was the only thing capable of keeping him alive (that they could access, anyway)
I am OBSESSED with that voice. such a mix of powerful, creepy and inhuman.
Can't believe it's the same guy who died by a golden crown 😂😂😂
I loved how Viktor, the science jesus, appreaciated Jinx's brilliance.
Love how he speaks like a machine now
"False"
Also the carry over from defusing a grenade into the conversation coming up while defusing a massive calamity
Did anyone else realize his extra arm is that one laser device they first made with the hex gemstones?
Hex claw
Mhmmm, and he was the only one shown using it which is crazy foreshadowing without even knowing it
it is his main gun in a game, so yes
League players knew since s1
@@RainbowPaladin no its not CRAZY foreshadowing, its the most obvious foreshadowing, even if you don't know the character's design in LoL
this whole season seemed to have a recurring theme of people forsaking their principals for what they believed to be the right thing
holy fucking shit this series is genius
Viktor was in control of the situation when he was diffusing the bomb he purposely waited till the last minute
Meaning there was always a choice…..albeit his choice
Arcane season 2 has got to be some of the greatest creations i have seen on screen. Ever. Fucking beautiful
worst part is Jayce is the one that made him think that
just not true
@@avery5920yes it is. Jayce was the one who thought people couldn’t grow beyond who they were. And Viktor sought to prove him wrong.
@@azazelsiad3601not entirely true. Jayce wanted to help but he kept doing polictical stuff while victor is dying
@@thongtran3041 he also built weapons and then eventually made Viktor think that humanity is the problem, when he had a conversation with singed that showed he valued it.
@@azazelsiad3601 yeah by basically taking away peoples soul so who is the clear bad guy and one in the wrong here
Remember: In one if not multiple timelines That blows up in their face and kills Victor
and in other one everyone is happy
In other Marcus blew it in his face earlier
Him undetonating a bomb is so symbolic, kinda lets you know that Viktor was close to his breaking point for a long time, he was on the edge, and eventually got tipped over.
Proof that he wasnt evil he just went through it
Viktor really was thinking if he shouldn't let the bomb explode...
How both Viktor and Jayce are about to choose to step out of life, but stop as either one of them walks up before stepping over the ledge is a great parallel, too.
Eh, Viktor was RIGHT all along. The thing is, Viktor forgot about his own humanity.
If every consciousness is destined for perfection, a state of perfect optimality, a dreamless sleep akin to a positive oblivion, what the hell was the rush? He thought that because his goal was the literal endgame, he could just force people into it.
Jayce showed Viktor beauty in imperfection and that it's about the journey to the endpoint not the end itself.
So.... you could say
... the treasure was the friends we made along the way 😂
maybe the arcane.... was the friends we've made along the way@@FantasticFreya-fn8si
*Trying to have a simple convo with your friend that does psychedelics*
If anyone is curious, the song is Mareux - Lovers from the Past (Reverb version)
I adore this because you can see how each other drove the other to the opposite side
Arcane characters reminds me of Norse myth
Silko is Odin
Jinx is Fenrir
Viktor is baldr
Sevika is tyr
Odin binds Fenrir just as Silko binds Jinx with manipulation. Fenrir is considered a sign of breaking free of operation just as Jinx later became.
Viktor is just obvious. Baldr is the shining god the perfect being
Sevika is seen fighting for justice just as Tyr is the god of justice and war
There are other similar like the tree of life, the two sides Piltover and Zaun both being equal in strength like the Aesir and Vanir war. Jayce could be the blind god Höðr. Höðr is the god who killed baldr
Edit: Singed could be Angrboða mother of monsters
VI is posibly Viðarr
caitlyn could be Vali
My head is aching to see how characters go back on their words, just to prove who’s better…
Jayce and Viktors parallels are interesting but I will never ever ever shut up about Jinx and Ekko, they’re actually my Roman Empire and I just die whenever I think about them 😞
man viktor's storyline was so good until season 2
I knew Viktor was going to go villain this szn and I was so happy to see it lowkey
Devoured both seasons this weekend. Never touched LoL qnd never will but this was some DAMN fine TV
If you like the lore and characters, DO NOT TOUCH THE GAME!!!!! The player base is something else. Enjoy anything else but the game itself.
Machine Herald Viktor did not really bother me (hi I’m someone who knows the bare minimum of lol viktor lore) until he said “Choice is false.” There’s a difference between “oh yeah that’s the bad guy we need to get him” and “oh no he just said something that shouldn’t be spoken aloud…wait viktor’s dead, isn’t he”
Power blinds you no matter the type of power you obtain you will always go head strong into it. Vi fists, Jynx and her Engineering this entire show was about losing ones self to the Arcane relying heavily on it to do what needed to be done. In the end Victor wanted to save people and make a Utopia of peace where no one got hurt or went to war. One he controlled the further he devled into this power the more he left behind. When he turley became drunk was when he let his love go. Instead of calling it quits he drained everyone to keep himself alive because he and he alone could bring perfection. And he kept losing it from there drinking more doing whatever it took to stay alive so he could make his perfect utopia of peace when in the end he caused that which he was trying to prevent all in the name of progress of his goal. Assimilate all into one being so everyone is safe and everyone is happy.
original victor was all about choice and being a self made machine, not a natural evolution like arcane but an artificial one chosen by humanity.
@@TheRoyalHat not really. original viktor was tiptoeing with that concept of: "you have a choice to join me" and "emotions are weak therefore humans are weak". he had a very conflicting original storyline because they keep changing his tone and role (either he's a villain or antihero). i'm glad they went full out with arcane viktor being blinded by power and thinking that humanity is weak due to their emotions, essentially turning him into a villain.
@@zekexvii"conflicting about his story"
I get tired of hearing this, what's conflicting exactly?
It's literally piltover propaganda that has people thinking he's some evil monster.
The whole point of House on Emberflit Ally was to show that it's a lie.
I guess some RUclipsr somewhere missed that part of the story and just ran with him being a bad guy
@@zekexvii I don't know where you read so much about him lol
I think this is more about faith in humanity than choice. He believed in choice because he thought everyone is capable of making rational decision deep down but the moment jayce killed him and embessa destoyed his commune it changed. He saw people as selfish emotional individuals incapable of making the right choice but the irony is he came into this decision because he was emotional about what happened to him by a handful of bad people and their actions.
EVERY EPSIODE is season 2 had me struggling to hold back tears
i guess this show deserves a rewatch from the beginning, eh?
I'm still not over the processing they did on Viktor's voice for the end of season 2. So perfectly spooky for the character.
Viktor seriously considered letting that bomb going off knowing that if he didn’t he’d be risking hextech turning into a weapon
If you look at them in S1
Jayce became powerful, then had influence, then became corrupt
Viktor isolated himself focused on his goal while keeping his morals
I love how viktor’s future self stopped all of this coming true because he was bored.
2 parallels :
1 - Jayce said « I’m a interrupting ». It saved them both, same context, different meaning but damn this is too much. I cry so, so much it genuinely hurts my entire stomach I had to take a break. I know Viktor wasn’t going to jump but he seriously considered it. We can see it in his face tho. Jayce was calming down and shuts his eyes as he approached the edge while Viktor starts breathing faster with eyes wide open. It also kind of captures how they both are as characters as Jayce body goes for it and Viktor is more hesitant. Which exemplifies the parallel between the two
Idk the idea that they stopped each other from committing is so special to me it's the thing about their relationship I maybe cherish most. The casual question if they're interrupting, but eyes that are filled with care. Especially Jayce's, I love his eyes they're so expressive. The fact he repeats "Am I interupting" so perfectly, you know that line sat with Jayce through all those years to that moment :( I also wanted to point out Viktor's hand holding his cane is shaking so bad (although it was already shaking bc he struggled to get up) for the cane to be rattling that much, even at this point after going through so much he still wanted to live
2 - Viktor being against the whole 'the mutation must survive' because of the suffering it endured when he was a child. Then slowly BECOMING that mutation is absolutely terrifying. His split face just looked like a puppet using a dead body. To me, it’s wasnt Viktor at all but the Hexcore using Viktor’s apparence.
I still think Viktor's utopia was neat
Victor in season 1, "You dont need tobask for permission to change the world." And thays exactly what he went on to do. Only thanks to Jbroyherhood and being there and the realizaion that the route he was taking wouldn't really change the world. As per his own words, the rush for perfection was never going to end. Hat was no way to change the world.
“Choice Is Faults”
false?
That's why Singed got the happy ending, because he never strayed from his main goal.
I really like the parallel writing in Arcane
Jinx starts as Powder then turns to Jinx
Isha starts as Jinx then turned powder.
"You waste your life to gain power
You shift the game rules
How does it feel to reach the line that no one ever got to cross?
Does it make you a god now?"
"There is always a choice"
"......JK"
Viktor died. The Machine Herald took his body and formed it to his newfound perfection.
Viktor died in that council room. Whatever came out of the Arcane wasn't him anymore
That's what happens when you deny the laws of nature
If that was true, he wouldn’t have bothered trying to heal people, and he wouldn’t have stopped at the end when he saw what the Glorious Evolution would finally do. The Hexcore influenced him to propagate itself, but he influenced it as well, to heal people of what he came to see as weaknesses. It played on his fears and loneliness and faults to complete its objective, but he made those choices, and in the end, he chose to die to save the world from himself.
Victor is cool af
I just noticed, Jaice didn't know what to do with the bomb because he's not familiar with chemtech, while Victor who's from Zaun has lived all his life around it, he knows how chemtech works.
"people deserve to choice their own fates", said the man who chose to ignore his friend's wishes
"choice is false", said the man whose choice was taken
That was an amazing 2 hours ❤
I can't bring myself to dislike the show, but I have to admit that despite its strengths, season two disappointed me quite a bit. I feel like its biggest strengths were its parallels to season one, and quite frankly I'm never going to get over the fact that they downright ditched the entire theme of class struggle and it leaves a gaping in hole not only in the world building, but in so many of the characters' developments, Viktor included. I think he deserves his own episode, like Ekko, because although the elements that led to him becoming the Machine Herald were there from the very start, his transition to quasi-supervillain was incredibly rushed. For somebody so instrumental to the plot and the core themes of the show, I feel like they couldn't afford to sideline him like they did.
I dunno getting shot in your chest by your best friend can change a man.
I associate the song ma meilleure enemie with my dog who is passing so it makes me cry
i don’t know how any other show is ever going to live up to arcane. i’m just gonna have to go about my life with forever subpar media, huh? they set the bar too high :(
Choice is purpose
Not to mention characters from zaun and piltover were all parallels of each other. Heimerdinger/Jayce and Singed/Victor dynamic, heimerdinger also drew another parallel with Vander. They were both basically the founders of piltover and "the lanes". They both had 2 students/children who were main characters of the show, and they were both cast out in lieu of "progress". Silco wanted to fulfill their dream of the nation or zaun and Jayce wanted to use hextech for the people immediately because they both thought it would change lives for the better. There are many more but my comment would be really too long.
Best written sbow out there
MY SHAYLAAAAAA 💔💔💔💔💔💔 NOOOO MY SHAYLAAAAAAAAAA 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
If only we got to see him get to this point instead of it all being offscreen
Because he had no choices his entire fucking life bro no choice in his body no choice in his illness no choice in being blown up no choice in being resurrected no choice in being KILLED AGAIN by his partner- even his finding himself a healer was barely a choice rather than the arcane guiding and influencing him. He also grew to believe in fate more than chance because of this so yeah it’s a killer character development so well done and makes sense.
Swear you Arkane fans would say watching paint dry has some bs meaning
The voice we hear is Hextech itself explain its own rationale
cold bro. goosebumps...
That proves that viktor was not there anymore
He chose to not blow ‘em up 🤣
can they not say anything else in movies and shows nowadays bro “there’s always a choice”
No way people actually thought S2 was good... It's fine if you enjoyed the fanservice and flashy animation, but don't act like the writing is anything above a 2/10. I'll ask this one question to prove it: why tf does Caitlin forgive Jinx enough to let her live / escape by the end? And don't say "because Vi", because Caitlin would not spare Jinx Bin-Laden because her fn girlfriend likes her (which is also a contradiction - in S2E1 she literally sas "that's not my sister anymore", 4 episodes later "what are you waiting for? He's your dad too" (cringiest line in the entire show btw)).
S1 9/10
S2 3/10 at best.
I think she understood that her need to punish Jinx was more a thing about her mother passing, and all of the bad decisions she had made, si forgive Jinx was her chance to let go and came back to be the good person she used to be and the person that was in love with Vi
I hate new viktor. Old "machine god" viktor was fire
Que bien escrito que está viktor por dios
People said that I t was rushed but if it had more seasons it would be a prolonged show. Remember too much writing can lead to lazy writing.
Such a good show
Song name?
The song is Mareux - Lovers from the Past (Reverb version)
I just finished it. Im sad that theres no more epsjodes
Me too
Its becoming philosophical !!
*music plays loud and then....* CHOICE!
Was he wrong?…… yes
Nah he's right though
"If I Cross The Line"
Our desire to do good leads us to our greatest evil, or something like that
Music?
The song is Mareux - Lovers from the Past (Reverb version)
@TomZanovich ty
He did get rid of his human side, which was Skye.
damn bro im from brazil and i think the dubbed version here of viktor is hella different hahaha.
Ah, yes, another character assassination in favor of a superficial "parallel"
What’s the name of the music please?
Look for it someone already made that comment before. I GUARANTEE you
@@anaclwthere’s million!!
What’s the name of the song?
The song is Mareux - Lovers from the Past (Reverb version)
@ TYSM
"A tree grows but does a knee grow? "
This makes you cry? Arcane had me fucked up but this is a weird thing to cry to lol
what’s the song
what is that scene i don't remember seeing it ?
This was fun until this AU became the main universe. Rito. Fucks sake.
I didnt saw in the series the viktor with the masc part in what minute is it ?
This is season 2
Around last episode
they die any way
I love the non existent spoiler warning you don't have.
I #blame jayce
My favorite parts of arcane were how they had these two become jesus and play only up
Mean while parallel viktor saved our jayce to stop current viktor lol that man set up jayce