Frank Bender was the pioneer in forensic facial reconstruction. He was a patient of mine (and his wife Janice). They both died of cancers not too far apart from each other. Frank did not live to see how his work caught List. They were really nice, down to earth people and consummate artists both in their the own fields, he a sculptor, she a painter.
I saw the original broadcast of that episode. Absolutely, when he was captured and they showed the bust and his picture on the update, it was scary how close the likeness was
Donna Martin is my first cousin, her mother and mine were sisters. To my knowledge she was never found…she was seeing a guy that her parents didn’t approve of, there were lots of arguments, groundings,!then she started running away, then she disappeared…known only to God now she will always be missed. We love you Donna Kay
One of my favourite videos which I have seen before in its previous incarnation. Am an artist and am intrigued as to how they could do forensic portraits, especially Bender.
- Absolutely stunning episode, this one. Particularly first and the last cases were fascinating. Last one was pure art and the first was almost perfect example of art and science united, fused. Brilliant. I hope art is not sacrificed at the altar of digitality - with due respect for the latter. Marvelous series, this one.
What a horrible, selfish man to kill his whole family! Could have had a family meeting and explained that they would have to sell up and move to a smaller home!
Watching more recent forensic art I see what a difference digital art makes. All the variations of everything they need are now click and paste which makes the end result so much faster. That certainly helps detectives find families and criminals much faster.
John Liszt is an example of why people shouldn't make positive assumptions about a person just because he is "church going man". Being religious is absolutely no indicator of one's real moral behavior. Can we all finally agree on this?
Many monsters do use the cloak of god to justify what they do but like I said monsters are monsters no amount of Jesus christ will change that or will only let them mask it for a time
I disagree, keep in mind not everyone who watches this understands some basics with regards to technology. By explaining it is to help persons who are not up to date or who just do not know what it is. Thank you
@@abenakwaewaah3793 I agree with you because when one makes a documentary, one has to explain things and not assume that the viewers know everything. Who knows when technology will change in the future. GPS may not be the norm of the future just like kids today do not understand anything analogue and just like many of us do not understand nor know the stuff used during the Middle Ages or a lot earlier.
Amazing development with the skills needed and used by the artists and the police force to identifying and arrest the suspect. Outstanding work. Bravo 👏
John List was sitting on a goldmine in his large house. In one of the large rooms, the ceiling was constructed of a stained glass which was made by Louis Tiffany. This knowledge would have been the answer to his money issues. I have always felt such sadness for his family, especially, his three young children who were just blossoming into their lives.
He was a religious nut and felt that his oldest child would go to hell. He decided to 'play god' and send them all into the next life. He did not have that right.
@@rebeccarayburncooper7062 it was never about heaven IMO, it was about control… control over the women in his life, control over the directions of his offsprings lives, control over “his life”
@@auntkaz422 idk.. she was alive quite awhile after she ran away, she just didn't want to have any contact with her mother. Her momma must have said something during that little argument that really, really hurt.
@@Mandy-nt2cs Boy that Mum looks sharp in the photo. Also she said something very interesting..."she was no more wrong than I was". Most mothers would say "I was wrong and I really regret what I said". Very cold
@@miaomiaochan Hmmm...I wonder....Iwhen my daughter was a teenager I always tried to be kind no matter what she said to me as I realise that kids at this age generally will regret what they have said in a few years. But you too are right, teenagers can be Hell on wheels. So yeah...kinda agree!
You may not see it, but the fact that uncountable numbers of times, family and friends CAN see it, proves that this technique works. I did not really see the resemblance either, but then again,mi didn't look at that person nearly every day for 16 years....
The daughter's hair: we all had that hair in the 1970s. What is so gobsmacking to me now is that our teen daughter and her friends all have the same hair, just less frizzy.
It's funny, the advance of technology is surely amazing, but the intellect, creativity and intuition of men like the creator of the List bust is something that may diminish or disappear as advances in forensics make such qualities ever less necessary.
She was living with a married couple in that apartment. Why not go after that couple and ask what happened to your daughter instead of getting done her aged portrait? What’s the use of it?
Young folks out there seeking a good career in helping life and society,look into forensic science....if you're into this type of work,start early,study ,and get into it..it is well paying but more important it is gratifying in all levels...you will help families and the law...I should know...I've been involved with law enforcement all my life....
Yes Geoffrey when I was 12 I had to go to court against my stepfather for 6yrs of sexual abuse (we always went to church) my mother then forced me to teach Sunday school allowing the minister to give me a lift to and from I didn't want to be in his car one evening he leaned over trying to put his hand up my skirt I went berserk screaming and trying to jump out I'll never forget what he said "oh c'mon a slice of bread of a sliced loaf is never missed " I told my mum he said I over reacted he's was trying to cuddle me to make me feel better and nothing was done, my stepfather was given a 5yr good behaviour bond and continued living with us I started running away not long after and became known to police as an uncontrollable child and felt sorry for my mother, that was 60yrs ago probably why I eventually got into youth work
Could the shoe hold come clues -- DNA, the size of the shoe indicate height and weight of victim? Whether the shoe make was upscale or cheap? Could circulating pic of the shoe be a form of ID of the victim?
Excellent points! I'm surprised they didn't mention any of these things! Or maybe it was edited out to keep it concise or within a certain time frame! You could try to Google it or look it up on RUclips.. That's how I found more info on certain cases! Who knows, there might be more info..
To find out weight, you need shoe print. Its the impression of the shoe on the ground that will tell you how the person walks or how much they pressed down to the ground (weight). You can't tell how much a person weighs by just looking at their shoe. That goes for height as well. There are tall people with small feet and short people with bigger feet. The make of the shoe wouldn't matter either because people sometimes save money to buy expensive shoes. It happens all the time. Multiple people wear the same style of shoes. They make thousands, even millions of the same shoes. It would just be too difficult for them to narrow that down to one person, especially if it is a very common brand or style. They didn't include it because it probably didn't get them anywhere.
That last guy is the absolute worst. An affront to humanity. How dare a person annihilate 5 other beings just so he can start over? What an abomination.
That forensic artist flashback showing her with all her sketches in the first episode isn't Karen Taylor it's Guinness world record forensic artist louis gibson.
Amazing artists! The sculpture was incredibly accurate!! Can't understand how Mr List murdered his own mother, his wife/mother of his children, and his own children, then he married again, like nothing happened! How can anyone live with the memory of doing that?!?
Cuz he prayed for forgiveness...isn't that what christians believe & do? No responsibilities that way. "I can be a murderer & be an absolute douche and ask for forgiveness on my death bed & still get into heaven". Yeah...religion at its finest.
I believe he's a narcissist psychopath...they have no guilt, no remorse, no empathy/sympathy, and don't care about anybody beside their own selves. Killing their entire inconvenient, annoying, burdening, sinner family members? No problem! ☠ I hope hell does exist for these kinds of people... 🔥🔥🔥
Digital facial reconstruction is used today why spend weeks on a skull manually. Man confesses 5 murders on his own and detectives take 20 years to find him. That's disturbing
A cousin further up inside another comment, said her mothers sister, the actual mother, has since died. As has her own mother. And the child Donna never found.
That woman in the police department or whoever she is absolutely amazing she's able to draw the picture of an individual from just a skull do you think that was possible amazing
I believe there is also a psychic aspect of these wonderfully talented people who are able to hone in on not just the appearance but the essence of the person.
Oh gee, he got upset because she told him she was knocked up WITH SOME ONE ELESES KID. Shame on her but he should have beat feet out of that relationship . . . PERIOD.
I have done a facial reconstruction of Leonardo da Vinci! Funny thing, the old man in red chalk we all know and love, that is not him. The Vitruvian man, Cristo di Lecco and Musician are him. And so is Michelangelo's David, only not as perfect a match, just like the universally accepted profile in red chalk, not a good match.
``Laser-beam accuracy?'' Just leave out descriptive phrases! Be that as it may, Taylor's training isn't the only valuable thing about her skills; she kinda got some sorta angel or spirit on her side, to draw that face.
And this murderer who brutally murdered his own 3 beautiful, innocent kids, and wife, is the exact reason why I say that murderers attend church to pretend they are 'good, God fearing people.' When someone tells me within 10 minutes into a conversation, that they attend church every Sunday, I immediately don't trust them. Some serial killers could be sitting right next to you in church, and you would never know it... until you see them on the news.
The one where the man killed his entire family sounds exactly like the movie The stepfather I've seen those movies I forgot it was based on actual events
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Incredible how their talent can solve cold cases like this.👏 Really amazing talents .
Frank Bender was the pioneer in forensic facial reconstruction. He was a patient of mine (and his wife Janice). They both died of cancers not too far apart from each other. Frank did not live to see how his work caught List. They were really nice, down to earth people and consummate artists both in their the own fields, he a sculptor, she a painter.
List was caught in 1989, and Bender didn't die till 2011. So he certainly did live long enough.
heroes!
Did it not occur to you that most of us already knew about Frank Bender from watching Unsolved Mysteries and other crime shows?
Frank's reconstructions were amazing. I would've loved to have met him.
I saw the original broadcast of that episode. Absolutely, when he was captured and they showed the bust and his picture on the update, it was scary how close the likeness was
18 years living a new life comes to an end, minutes after the sculpture is shown on tv. Amazing collection and use of skills and resources.
Donna Martin is my first cousin, her mother and mine were sisters. To my knowledge she was never found…she was seeing a guy that her parents didn’t approve of, there were lots of arguments, groundings,!then she started running away, then she disappeared…known only to God now she will always be missed. We love you Donna Kay
I wondered about that one.
I'm so sorry .. What a tragic story...
I'm sorry to you and your family. I can't imagine the terrible pain and loss you all have felt.
That's so sad not to know what's happened to her. X
Do u think she still alive?
Narration, music and script just perfect. Ways to catch bad guys just absolutely amazing. ❤️
Bender was a genius. I've seen him do other reconstructions as well
One of my favourite videos which I have seen before in its previous incarnation. Am an artist and am intrigued as to how they could do forensic portraits, especially Bender.
- Absolutely stunning episode, this one. Particularly first and the last cases were fascinating. Last one was pure art and the first was almost perfect example of art and science united, fused. Brilliant. I hope art is not sacrificed at the altar of digitality - with due respect for the latter. Marvelous series, this one.
So did they find that woman's daughter?
The voice over is one of the best I ever heard. Great resonating voice, clear and sharp.
Agree, makes a HUGE difference!
What a horrible, selfish man to kill his whole family! Could have had a family meeting and explained that they would have to sell up and move to a smaller home!
Or, just leave ... (start over) ... Like so many have before him.
This is amazing wow. She is really good and her drawing is like a magical event. Wow
God bless this woman for a very good work
Thanks for this terrific upload. These men and women forensic science investigators and murder solvers are amazing. Bravo👍👍👍
Excellent excellent video such admiration I have for people who sacrifice their time and talent
I doubt she was on a camping trip. . .not with those white "high" heeled shoes by her body.
Exactly
My question is, who goes camping in heels?
Gypsy Rovrette 🤔
And I hope his girlfriend gets time too for knowing about t he murder but not confessing until he was caught, two years later
Gramma Rovrette ... J Edgar Hoover ... that’s who
Smh she was obviously dumped there
@@marcianaanthony1798 It said that he took her calling and killed her while there.
This is real talent. Wow. Amazing how she can analyse all that info just from a skull.
49:05 "A style of glasses that would define a man that killed his entire family yet called himself a Christian"
Where do I begin?!
Frank Bender was an amazing forensic artist. May he RIP.
He passed away
these detectives are so good, it doesn't matter how many years have passed. I love it when justice is served.
Watching more recent forensic art I see what a difference digital art makes. All the variations of everything they need are now click and paste which makes the end result so much faster. That certainly helps detectives find families and criminals much faster.
John Liszt is an example of why people shouldn't make positive assumptions about a person just because he is "church going man". Being religious is absolutely no indicator of one's real moral behavior. Can we all finally agree on this?
The only deity people like List worship is themselves. They should catch fire the moment they walk on consecrated ground.
I agree.
Agree!
Yup i agree...
Many monsters do use the cloak of god to justify what they do but like I said monsters are monsters no amount of Jesus christ will change that or will only let them mask it for a time
Something that really shows the age of this show was the fact that the narrator had to explain what a “gps” is
Lol 😂
I disagree, keep in mind not everyone who watches this understands some basics with regards to technology. By explaining it is to help persons who are not up to date or who just do not know what it is. Thank you
@@abenakwaewaah3793 my 8 or so years of retail experience selling tech, including GPS’s, in America respectfully disagrees.
Obviously but it also shows scientific progress until today
@@abenakwaewaah3793 I agree with you because when one makes a documentary, one has to explain things and not assume that the viewers know everything. Who knows when technology will change in the future. GPS may not be the norm of the future just like kids today do not understand anything analogue and just like many of us do not understand nor know the stuff used during the Middle Ages or a lot earlier.
Can you imagine how much progress they have made since then!
Amazing development with the skills needed and used by the artists and the police force to identifying and arrest the suspect. Outstanding work. Bravo 👏
Haha u can tell how ancient this is by the fact they had to explain what GPS was
Your baby teeth are showing too...
This was your BEST show! Amazing!!
AMAZING skills. Thank you.
amazing content!! thank you!
Imagine the realization of these killers when they are brought to light with almost no physical evidence after years of thinking they got away with it
John List was sitting on a goldmine in his large house. In one of the large rooms, the ceiling was constructed of a stained glass which was made by Louis Tiffany. This knowledge would have been the answer to his money issues. I have always felt such sadness for his family, especially, his three young children who were just blossoming into their lives.
He was a religious nut and felt that his oldest child would go to hell. He decided to 'play god' and send them all into the next life. He did not have that right.
@@rebeccarayburncooper7062 it was never about heaven IMO, it was about control… control over the women in his life, control over the directions of his offsprings lives, control over “his life”
@@healgoth usually that's a religious nut.
Nothing about Donna online, assuming her mother never found her.
I was wondering about that. Its a shame. It makes one suspect she is not alive.
@@auntkaz422 idk.. she was alive quite awhile after she ran away, she just didn't want to have any contact with her mother. Her momma must have said something during that little argument that really, really hurt.
@@Mandy-nt2cs Boy that Mum looks sharp in the photo. Also she said something very interesting..."she was no more wrong than I was". Most mothers would say "I was wrong and I really regret what I said". Very cold
@@mollyhorse what I took that to mean is that both of them were equally wrong in the argument.
@@miaomiaochan Hmmm...I wonder....Iwhen my daughter was a teenager I always tried to be kind no matter what she said to me as I realise that kids at this age generally will regret what they have said in a few years. But you too are right, teenagers can be Hell on wheels. So yeah...kinda agree!
Reconstruction is awesome & fascinating !!
A true gifted art form ! God Bless these remarkable artists ! ❤
im thinking about becoming a forensic artist/photographer
If you have the drive to follow through, I encourage it!
Go for it hon.
Do it. So amazing!
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO THIS COMMENT WAS LEFT, BUT SURE HOPE YOU FOLLOWED YOUR DREAMS. IT'S AN AMAZING AND REWARDING CAREER..
Tough ! some ppl are just strong enough for certain careers 😀👍
Amazing work!!!because of you guys they got there Justice ❤️
Well done to those artists.
Thank God for Forensic Science.
how gifted is this lovely lady, mind blowing
This was my third time watching this, and it was just as terrific as the first!
"The resemblance was undeniable"Sure! Like she had 2 eyes one nose and one mouth!
You may not see it, but the fact that uncountable numbers of times, family and friends CAN see it, proves that this technique works. I did not really see the resemblance either, but then again,mi didn't look at that person nearly every day for 16 years....
this is amazing investigators are brilliant
The daughter's hair: we all had that hair in the 1970s.
What is so gobsmacking to me now is that our teen daughter and her friends all have the same hair, just less frizzy.
🤣 Mine's wearing the same jeans I wore in high school. I giggle about it all the time, because they went out of style so long a go.
It's funny, the advance of technology is surely amazing, but the intellect, creativity and intuition of men like the creator of the List bust is something that may diminish or disappear as advances in forensics make such qualities ever less necessary.
Was thinking the same...In the end robots will be doing everything and humans will become zombies...😢
Bender is up there with Einstein, Froyd and Chaplin as a Genius
Froyd???!!!😂😂😂
@@lulassong6524 he's "up there"
FREUD
The lady’s computer gives me nightmares
Hurrah to science for helping locate crime offenders and bring them out from their hiding places.
She was living with a married couple in that apartment. Why not go after that couple and ask what happened to your daughter instead of getting done her aged portrait? What’s the use of it?
Tell me Why Bender looks like the psychologist from Halloween🤣🤣🤣🤣🧐🧐🧐
36:00 One's still moving!
Unbelievable work by the construction artist.
My bad, I stand by my opinion based on identifying the murderers, not the victims.
They are doing an excellent job identifying victims.
At 35:59… the body by the door’s hand moved😆
God Bless you Mr Bender, Rest in Paradise ♥️♥️❤️🙏
What a wonderfully talented artist and possibly save other lives
Wow! How grand is the artist
Young folks out there seeking a good career in helping life and society,look into forensic science....if you're into this type of work,start early,study ,and get into it..it is well paying but more important it is gratifying in all levels...you will help families and the law...I should know...I've been involved with law enforcement all my life....
Yes Geoffrey when I was 12 I had to go to court against my stepfather for 6yrs of sexual abuse (we always went to church) my mother then forced me to teach Sunday school allowing the minister to give me a lift to and from I didn't want to be in his car one evening he leaned over trying to put his hand up my skirt I went berserk screaming and trying to jump out I'll never forget what he said "oh c'mon a slice of bread of a sliced loaf is never missed " I told my mum he said I over reacted he's was trying to cuddle me to make me feel better and nothing was done, my stepfather was given a 5yr good behaviour bond and continued living with us I started running away not long after and became known to police as an uncontrollable child and felt sorry for my mother, that was 60yrs ago probably why I eventually got into youth work
What ahorrible person he was and the man from the church I can't even examine how traumatic all this was for u u r a true warrior hold ya head up high
what a great drawing/sketching skills
I've been watching this series for a while but the List case is the first that I've previously known.
Frank Bender was a fantastic talented sculptor with a sense of detail.
Could the shoe hold come clues -- DNA, the size of the shoe indicate height and weight of victim? Whether the shoe make was upscale or cheap? Could circulating pic of the shoe be a form of ID of the victim?
Excellent points! I'm surprised they didn't mention any of these things! Or maybe it was edited out to keep it concise or within a certain time frame! You could try to Google it or look it up on RUclips.. That's how I found more info on certain cases! Who knows, there might be more info..
To find out weight, you need shoe print. Its the impression of the shoe on the ground that will tell you how the person walks or how much they pressed down to the ground (weight). You can't tell how much a person weighs by just looking at their shoe. That goes for height as well. There are tall people with small feet and short people with bigger feet. The make of the shoe wouldn't matter either because people sometimes save money to buy expensive shoes. It happens all the time. Multiple people wear the same style of shoes. They make thousands, even millions of the same shoes. It would just be too difficult for them to narrow that down to one person, especially if it is a very common brand or style. They didn't include it because it probably didn't get them anywhere.
I wondered why someone would wear white high heels to go camping
I bet the police never thought of that! Jeezlouise, you should be in csi!
They found a human skeleton in a field and decided they would keep it moving and let someone else find it .... what great men they must be
an excellent video.
love ur channel!!
How far technology has come! This show looks ancient.
the sculptor is so funny lmfaaoooo
That last guy is the absolute worst. An affront to humanity. How dare a person annihilate 5 other beings just so he can start over? What an abomination.
So neat how they can do this awesome job
Frank Bender is not only talented but a genius
Enjoyed this video. Now the question remains...did the mother find her daughter?
Thinking the same
They said donna martin was declared legally dead in 1989, according to the charley project. But i hope shes still alive myself this was a sad case.
@@Cargeorge996 thanks for the update. I was hoping she was still alive.
@@rosered103 np louisiana police department had her case listed as pending so hopefully they get back into it
@@Cargeorge996 Good stuff. Thanks! I will be praying for a resolution, one way or the other. Come on LPD let's go!
Amazing !
Wow..
We can do most of this stuff upon our cell phones now.
That forensic artist flashback showing her with all her sketches in the first episode isn't Karen Taylor it's Guinness world record forensic artist louis gibson.
This is brilliant work.
Amazing artists! The sculpture was incredibly accurate!! Can't understand how Mr List murdered his own mother, his wife/mother of his children, and his own children, then he married again, like nothing happened! How can anyone live with the memory of doing that?!?
Cuz he prayed for forgiveness...isn't that what christians believe & do? No responsibilities that way. "I can be a murderer & be an absolute douche and ask for forgiveness on my death bed & still get into heaven". Yeah...religion at its finest.
I believe he's a narcissist psychopath...they have no guilt, no remorse, no empathy/sympathy, and don't care about anybody beside their own selves. Killing their entire inconvenient, annoying, burdening, sinner family members? No problem! ☠ I hope hell does exist for these kinds of people... 🔥🔥🔥
Incredible. 💀
Amazing work! 👏
Well done!
Camping with heels on? This does' nt match
Idk why she stood with him. Still . Smh
Love the theme tune an narrator boss series 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏❤
Digital facial reconstruction is used today why spend weeks on a skull manually. Man confesses 5 murders on his own and detectives take 20 years to find him. That's disturbing
This was 25 years ago. What are you talking about?
Would love to know if the mother ever found her daughter.☹️
A cousin further up inside another comment, said her mothers sister, the actual mother, has since died. As has her own mother. And the child Donna never found.
It’s amazing work of the artist
That woman in the police department or whoever she is absolutely amazing she's able to draw the picture of an individual from just a skull do you think that was possible amazing
I believe there is also a psychic aspect of these wonderfully talented people who are able to hone in on not just the appearance but the essence of the person.
Yes they get help from the tooth fairy.
49.11: [Walks into opticians showroom.] "Hi, I'm looking for a pair of spectacles that says 'I killed my entire family but call myself a Christian'."
did you not get the memo that Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven? And where did you get this odd idea in the first place?
@@watchgoose Is that question directed at me, or the line I was quoting?
Ah... you need to see our new fashionable Karen & Kevin line! With unbreakable lenses !
Salute to all of them.
Oh gee, he got upset because she told him she was knocked up WITH SOME ONE ELESES KID. Shame on her but he should have beat feet out of that relationship . . . PERIOD.
I have done a facial reconstruction of Leonardo da Vinci! Funny thing, the old man in red chalk we all know and love, that is not him. The Vitruvian man, Cristo di Lecco and Musician are him. And so is Michelangelo's David, only not as perfect a match, just like the universally accepted profile in red chalk, not a good match.
``Laser-beam accuracy?'' Just leave out descriptive phrases! Be that as it may, Taylor's training isn't the only valuable thing about her skills; she kinda got some sorta angel or spirit on her side, to draw that face.
And this murderer who brutally murdered his own 3 beautiful, innocent kids, and wife, is the exact reason why I say that murderers attend church to pretend they are 'good, God fearing people.' When someone tells me within 10 minutes into a conversation, that they attend church every Sunday, I immediately don't trust them. Some serial killers could be sitting right next to you in church, and you would never know it... until you see them on the news.
Noone go în camping with heels! Maybe they go there after a party. . Drunk , and all gone wrrong.
god, i am loving this amazing info
The last case was genius ... woow
The victim was moving 36:00
Behind the door , just got tired
Such talents!
Damn that camera is a shotgun.
....and went to hike with high heeled white shoes......
The one where the man killed his entire family sounds exactly like the movie The stepfather I've seen those movies I forgot it was based on actual events
I truely believe that a dead speaks.
That's superstition