Has Android Emulation Peaked? - Maybe.

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @TakiUdon
    @TakiUdon  3 года назад +124

    Has development slowed down, or are things just getting started?

    • @TechThusiast
      @TechThusiast 3 года назад +12

      It's all about AMD in the S22

    • @bigbaldwolf86
      @bigbaldwolf86 3 года назад +22

      We could have had a good PS2 emulator finally but someone in your discord made him leave and now we'll likely never see it.

    • @Nxvxlle
      @Nxvxlle 3 года назад +4

      Things are just getting started imo. I still remember back in 2016 PS2 on android being a fever dream but that changed rather quick albeit with shit emulators but it did. Same with the switch later and most dolphin and GameCube games already work at full speed on something like the Snapdragon 860. So ig we are just at the beginning of android emulation. Will just have to wait for better PS2 emulators and more improvements on the switch emulator as new chips roll by.

    • @moocow1452
      @moocow1452 3 года назад +3

      I think that were around the corner from someone getting older and lighter PC games to run on Android through Exagear or Box86. I'd say Valve might be interested in throwing some work at it, but they have their plate full with the Steam Link

    • @RGGeek
      @RGGeek 3 года назад +14

      @@bigbaldwolf86 I mean, he was getting death threats... I don't blame him. :-/

  • @overtimestudentnott6054
    @overtimestudentnott6054 2 года назад +113

    When I was a child, I could only dream about these consoles. Right now, I can enjoy all of them on my phone. The only thing I need is time. So sad... man🥺

    • @warrenbadze
      @warrenbadze Год назад +6

      Damn brugh ...

    • @unRottenemSpines
      @unRottenemSpines Год назад +3

      🫂

    • @TheCoolDave
      @TheCoolDave Год назад +7

      Welcome to being an adult..... I've got all the consoles but, no time to play them....

    • @cyclonmaster
      @cyclonmaster Год назад +3

      Couldn't agree more...I feel you bro 😢

    • @redactedc1928
      @redactedc1928 Год назад +2

      Hit me right in the feels... time :(

  • @jac1011
    @jac1011 3 года назад +126

    honestly play! is the only emulator i care about for android. that along side dolphin, though dolphin is still very active. psp and below im fine with if they never get any upgrades for the rest of my life.

    • @Fleshlight_Reviewer
      @Fleshlight_Reviewer 3 года назад +14

      I wish the dev just uses a bios and didn't have to use workarounds

    • @jac1011
      @jac1011 3 года назад +4

      @@Fleshlight_Reviewer yeah. Once im financally stable ill be supporting them for sure

    • @grenwood53
      @grenwood53 3 года назад +8

      For me its play! And skyline. A port of vita3k wouldn't hurt either once it gets completed

    • @Bojangb
      @Bojangb 3 года назад +8

      Skyline is where you put your money in.

    • @Bojangb
      @Bojangb 3 года назад +8

      @Hi_Nu Ver 0 Zero_Tester indeed! Skyline is the potential top atm.

  • @SRC267
    @SRC267 3 года назад +89

    3:20 was funny. Also, Play! The PS2 emulator just got Vulkan support in Android so hopefully things look better for PS2 emulation.

    • @AwakenTheGuardian
      @AwakenTheGuardian 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, thats a natural consequence of playing Gamecube Twilight Princess in 16:9. Happens on dolphin on my PC, too.

    • @satoshiuchiha931
      @satoshiuchiha931 3 года назад +3

      It's a great update indeed but it's still shit compared to Damonps2 emulator. Which....is still bad....but playable. Ps2 emulator on Android is so bad that.....we will see ps3 emulator on Android after 30 years for sure

  • @kevinricherson2806
    @kevinricherson2806 3 года назад +63

    I don't think so. With more people becoming aware of the potential that emulation provides, homebrew on systems no longer being made, utilizing tools on modern hardware to produce better games than were originally released, we may be looking at a whole other market being born of these systems ashes, and android emulation is the means by which many of these games will be played.

    • @PoorTom
      @PoorTom 3 года назад +4

      Damn right, no idea how the good ones like Dolphin and such could be profitable though. I bet xcloud and the others will absorb that, maybe they still haven't realized how much better old stuff can look in 4k and how much you can modernize the gaming experience by simply tweaking control configs.

    • @been-lit-gotta-grip
      @been-lit-gotta-grip 3 года назад

      Hope so, that would be amazing

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад +2

      I feel Android is the best place to emulate. It even has me stuck on should I even give my Nintendo switch and ps4 anytime of day anymore lol. I never get bored of emulation on phone or PC. Like my phone is always with me with a bunch of game systems for free. Although the big advantage PC has is not only generally speaking (other than I think one 18gig ram Android which definitely is faster than some gaming PCs) for the most part pc is faster and can handle more extensive emulation like Xbox and PS2 and 3ds and GameCube better altho some of those can emulate very well on Android if you have a powerful enough device

    • @VTuber_Central
      @VTuber_Central 2 года назад

      it would be cool if emulation can get better but things like ps2 are ancient by todays standards if a perfect ps2 emulator was gonna happen it would've happened by now, the "mod your switch to play snes" is so dull to me since during the OLD ds days you can stick a R4 device in (no modding) and bam you can play gba/snes already, people are still excited about this stuff because to have so much options in a tiny device is amazing, but in reality its the SAME stuff. thats why takis no.1 top 10 2021 choice was a $1000 device that can practically play steam games i.e gtav etc i'd still buy these cute android device but as a collectible/toy to play with and test

    • @mcchristenson
      @mcchristenson Год назад

      @@VTuber_Central there are ps2 emulators now I play on my tab s7+ that i run at 3 to 4x resolution and look just as good as my Xbox one. The lego games actually look better on my tab at 3x than the lego xbox versions. Just a thought.

  • @LessonsOnTheWeb
    @LessonsOnTheWeb 2 года назад +18

    Well, 10 months later.. It looks like things are still improving! Aether SX2 is amazing, Citra MMJ is getting better, and Skyline is starting to get more impressive. I still think we are years off from PS3, Xbox, etc. properly running on android.

    • @Carcosahead
      @Carcosahead Год назад +7

      Press F for Aether u_u

    • @skycloud4802
      @skycloud4802 Год назад +2

      @@Carcosahead damn, and now it's become adware too.

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 Год назад

      @@skycloud4802 At least official Citra added Vulkan and made everything better on Android.

  • @kakarot9463
    @kakarot9463 3 года назад +39

    In my opinion, I believe we may peak once emulators are capable of running all or most switch games at least 30 fps.

    • @kakarot9463
      @kakarot9463 3 года назад +10

      @Cylant Justice fair enough

    • @VTuber_Central
      @VTuber_Central 2 года назад +3

      @Cylant Justice it took over 5yrs to hack a unhackable ps3, ps2 is ancient and still no perfect emulator and worse on portable consoles, good luck in getting ANY switch games to emulate 30 or not 30. If it did happen the ps6 would be out by then. p.s if switch is hackable just play it on that. What? you gonna wait 10yrs just so you can go "look mum i can play switch games on a emulator at 5fps on mah android phone" if you can get 30 i'd take it

    • @tylikesaxolotls7866
      @tylikesaxolotls7866 Год назад +10

      @@VTuber_Central this aged horribly.

    • @kartik6023
      @kartik6023 Год назад +6

      ​@@VTuber_Central 1 year later and we have skyline

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 Год назад

      @@VTuber_Central What an idiot, we can literally get Mario Odyssey running at 60 FPS 1080p already and it has only been a year and a half.

  • @MastermindAtWork
    @MastermindAtWork 3 года назад +153

    We need more and better PS2 emulators. At least a port of PCSX2 with Vulkan Support on a high end Snapdragon chip cause man Daemon PS2 is awful.

    • @LokiTheClever
      @LokiTheClever 3 года назад +9

      Agreed we won't have fully mastered ps2 emulation until we have it running on semi affordable platforms

    • @GoblinArmyInYourWalls
      @GoblinArmyInYourWalls 3 года назад +8

      We are more likely to get a full desktop version of Windows operating on mobile devices than we are to get solid PS2 on Android.

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 3 года назад +4

      The PCSX2 team once said that they won't bother with making a port for Android and cause of that we're stuck with either the trash that is Damon or waiting 2-3 years for Play! to be able to run a single game at full speed.

    • @LokiTheClever
      @LokiTheClever 3 года назад

      @@thegamerfe8751 That's depressing wish someone could change their minds

    • @real_omega9511
      @real_omega9511 3 года назад +22

      ...Guess what happened

  • @kuricosmos
    @kuricosmos 3 года назад +43

    Far from peaked, we just gotta get stuff going on the software front for awhile considering the hardware wants to burst out of its shell into higher performing stuff. I wouldn't mind tossing some money to devs in the future. I'm just trying to save up for a proper Android solution. I'd also like a Vita emulator for Android.

    • @VTuber_Central
      @VTuber_Central 2 года назад

      its peaked, _we just gotta get going on the software_ um whos "we"? ps2 is a old console it took years but they finally made a working emulator but its not perfect and from these review don't even translate to portable gaming, you gonna wait another 5yrs for a ps2 emulator? ps6 will be out by then

    • @aymodaslacker8852
      @aymodaslacker8852 2 года назад +5

      @@VTuber_Central lol why does ps6 releases matter? people just wanna play retro games. if you cant accept this simple fact then this whole emulation thing is just not for you.

  • @jnharton
    @jnharton 3 года назад +88

    Seems a bit silly to judge an emulator by how well it does 5x native resolution of the original handheld/console...

    • @vladv5126
      @vladv5126 3 года назад +39

      I agree. Most people nowadays don't seem to care about the game itself anymore, only how buffed up they can get it to run. It's like "who cares if it's fun or not? I just need to know it runs at 60fps, even if the original console doesn't " 🙄

    • @daddykarlmarx6183
      @daddykarlmarx6183 3 года назад +13

      Honestly as long as I can play them it's fine but I don't really care if it's more than hd

    • @AngelPlanes
      @AngelPlanes 3 года назад +6

      I recall most PSP games on the actual system lagging at 1x resolution lmao

    • @NobleAbsinthe
      @NobleAbsinthe 3 года назад +14

      @@vladv5126 Makes you think if any of these guys actually play on these devices if they're so laser focused on specs and running the game at x6 native.

    • @vladv5126
      @vladv5126 3 года назад +1

      @@NobleAbsinthe exactly. I get the feeling it becomes more of a chore/something to prove 🤷‍♂️

  • @MisterSouji
    @MisterSouji 3 года назад +26

    I honestly thing interest or demand is the big issue here. Most people dont expect thier phone to play ps3 or even ps2 games, so past dreamcast/psp/n64 you lose a lot of interest. Because of this, developers start to lose interest as well.

  • @voteDC
    @voteDC 3 года назад +25

    You always seem incredibly down on Android emulation but seem surprisingly upbeat when it comes to the Chinese dedicated handhelds such as the RG351MP. Your whole manner of speech just seems more alive when dealing with the latter.

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +10

      The handhelds live in the area of making tier 3 and 4 more enjoyable, but even that isn't enough for some people. It gets bleak when you want more and want to stay with Android.

    • @voteDC
      @voteDC 3 года назад +10

      @@TakiUdon I always took it as if you couldn't find any surprises with Android, you knew stuff was going to work well. With the handhelds there was a thrill to discovering something worked on them.

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +7

      @@voteDC basically this

    • @pickleeggs3340
      @pickleeggs3340 3 года назад

      and the most of those things are crap

    • @wellthen.......9384
      @wellthen.......9384 3 года назад +1

      My S20 ultra 5 G handles Emu's just fine I can play all my classics with no lag just fine I got it to play Resident Evil Outbreak File 2 online and for game cube games I don't notice any performance issues I don't even think we are close to the "peak"

  • @ColorblindMonk
    @ColorblindMonk 3 года назад +17

    Mobile computing will sooner get to a point to where you could probably just run a Windows-based tier 4 emulator over x64 emulation before we see any drastic improvements in native Android ports for that area.

  • @REzado63
    @REzado63 3 года назад +11

    I remember back in the day when NES was the only emulator and it blew your mind.

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад +1

      Yeo I remember being younger and I went to a house of my mom's friend and her son had a old computer playing N64 majoras mask Zelda and I was like WTH this guy got N64 on his computer??? Lol it was so amazing when I was younger now it's a necessity to have a emulator on your phone can't live without it I remember years ago when androids we're starting to be a thing and my friend doing the mew glitch on Pokemon yellow on his phone and I was just so amazing to be able to play that on a phone

  • @jameslewis2635
    @jameslewis2635 3 года назад +55

    It is kind of a hard time in terms of technical development. On one side we have a kind of technical stagnation due largely to a manufacturing and supply deadlock which is stopping more powerful hardware coming to market (as an example AMD decided not to release their Zen3+ CPU range as they are already struggling to supply their customers). On the other side of things times are tough for many people financially right now due to economic pressures which leads people to spend more of their energy trying to scrape up extra money in order to support themselves rather than spending time and energy on hobbyist activities leading to the noted software stagnation. This should all improve with time, how much time is hard to say though - I think we are still at least a couple of years away from recovery to pre-covid levels in terms of supply and I would expect the economy to recover after that.

    • @Fleshlight_Reviewer
      @Fleshlight_Reviewer 3 года назад +7

      Thanks china

    • @shubhamer2000
      @shubhamer2000 3 года назад +3

      Dude problem isn't hardware for emulation problem is emulator optimisation and PS2 emulator has become more playable now after the update 4.1 most of the games which were not even booting properly are now running smoothly
      Within a year PS3 emulator is going to be launched

    • @VSMOKE1
      @VSMOKE1 3 года назад +2

      Until the next pre manufacturer crisis

    • @leothehuman_9476
      @leothehuman_9476 3 года назад +1

      @@shubhamer2000 Doubt that, to run a ps3 game at full speed it is required at least an 8 gen intel processor.

    • @shubhamer2000
      @shubhamer2000 3 года назад

      @@leothehuman_9476 Agree but luk at the smartphones processors these days it has now come upto SD 888 one which wud be more powerful than 8th gen what we need is emulator which is best optimised one

  • @Yomachaser
    @Yomachaser 3 года назад +12

    I've been enjoying this scene for years but man when you compile it all in one place someone new to emulation would get their mind blown into orbit by how much their phone/tablet can do!

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад +2

      Foreal. It's still hard it's like you might as well play one game on NDS then switch to PlayStation 1 then goto N64 and then switch again cause if you play a bunch of games on one console emulator you'll be there all day with that one system 😅😂

  • @GogitoGTHD
    @GogitoGTHD 3 года назад +7

    Honestly the main Emu I use on Android is Drastic but it feels so outdated, theres literally no reason they havent added in higher res scale and whatnot yet

  • @big-zplayz3736
    @big-zplayz3736 3 года назад +18

    I like the idea of adding different tiers

  • @tranquility6789
    @tranquility6789 3 года назад +14

    we just need better ps2 emulation that isnt spyware, and slightly better switch emulation that doesnt need a specific controller to use.
    mainly play! ps2 emulator needs to improve to close to damon and skyline emulator needs to come close to egg ns

  • @nonyabizz9390
    @nonyabizz9390 3 года назад +17

    I truly believe a processor as powerful as the Snapdragon 888 could handle even some ps3 and xbox 360 games. But only with very well optimized software. I have a feeling that, while some emulators are great, in many cases you just have the processor brute-forcing it's way to excellent performance, and that better software could see less powerful chips beat the performance of the current best chips.

    • @Fleshlight_Reviewer
      @Fleshlight_Reviewer 3 года назад +2

      "I believe"

    • @R3in_Ch
      @R3in_Ch 2 года назад +8

      @@Fleshlight_Reviewer the software is at fault. you do realise games from the past uses much weaker cpus and gpus. you know nothing about techs

    • @bliss_gore5194
      @bliss_gore5194 Год назад +2

      @@Fleshlight_Reviewer The XBOX 360 and PS3 have 2006-7 hardware. Remember that.

    • @ruekurei88
      @ruekurei88 Год назад

      Switch emulation is possible on weaker processors, but PS360 emulation has been slow and weak for years even outside android.

  • @TechThusiast
    @TechThusiast 3 года назад +30

    I'm curious to see how the AMD GPU performs on the Galaxy S22 series.

    • @EtherealGoddess_Ent
      @EtherealGoddess_Ent 3 года назад +4

      Why a galaxy S10 is fully capable of playing any of these titles. What's everyone obsession with new things that do the exact same thing as older things there's no such thing as innovation in this section of technology just faster brighter and more/less features I don't get the hype anymore

    • @TechThusiast
      @TechThusiast 3 года назад +18

      @@EtherealGoddess_Ent you couldn't be more incorrect. And not everyone wants to play native resolution.

    • @spectraleggings
      @spectraleggings 3 года назад

      @@EtherealGoddess_Entman I wish that was true. The sad reality is that my Note 10+ had much better hardware yet shat itself when it came to GC emulation. Also it was a victim of the Exynos scam too.

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад

      @@EtherealGoddess_Ent more ram does make a difference I mean many older ones had 8 gigs they have like 12 now although I think they are overpriced man there's even a more less known brand of Android that has 18gigs ram! That's faster than PS5s 16 and even many gaming PCs but more than likely the p5 is faster because of the infrastructure and SSD especially same for the PC's

    • @MikesLifee
      @MikesLifee 3 года назад

      @@spectraleggings that's exactly why it shat, exynos.

  • @jarjarbinks8954
    @jarjarbinks8954 3 года назад +4

    this was done so well with the adding of the tiers. Thanks for this

  • @tking2199
    @tking2199 3 года назад +5

    The only reason I use android for emulation is the experience of mobile multiplayer. I have multiple Linux devices including the rg351v and for just simply gaming retro games that's enough for me, but on my phone even though I can play up to 3ds upscaled and ps2 I don't really care much for it, since I'd rather play on my living room TV for those games. Now playing the legend of zelda four swords is just something amazing on my phone while my friends or family play using the android devices I own, and that to me beats higher performance on expensive devices or phones. I bought the retroid pocket 2 because of your review and gave it to my kid after I installed lineage OS and we've had a blast with pokemon and megaman battle network, and now we're doing arcade games and latency has been better on that than on the rg351 devices, we also did the sm64 multiplayer rom hack and played together and that was more enjoyable than my high end emulation line-up. My opinion is that android emulation would be more appealing if we get more work in the form easier to use UIs, devices that can play wirelessly with each other with less hiccups, and have devices made that can meet this at a max $150 dollar price at least for those in the US whatever amount it would match respectively in other currencies. I actually bought a Z pocket game from someone from eBay and aside from not having a very appealing UI like 351elec or ark OS in the rg351 devices it met everything else I wanted and playing wirelessly is great. Maybe I'm alone in this but growing up when the GB launched involved so much playing with others and using link cables, N64 multiplayer Goldeneye or Star Fox 64, and Mario Kart DS in middle school, is a core point to me when it comes to these devices yet we rarely get that. Like I don't understand why drastic still has no multiplayer and probably never will. That would be a game changer. Like sure dolphin on your phone is great, but have you ever battled with other people irl the pin slamming game in The World Ends With You?

  • @mat_max
    @mat_max 3 года назад +10

    It has to be noted that citra stagnation is due to the devs being the ones developing yuzu. So that's where sll the effort goes to

  • @JC7119
    @JC7119 3 года назад +7

    I think it depends on the dev's. If the devs optimize the software or take greater advantage of things like Vulcan instead of Open GL, optimizations for newer hardware, software fixes for things like stutter, I think emulation is far from it's peak. With that being said I am not a developer soooo I am just sitting on the side lines waiting.

  • @Isaax
    @Isaax 3 года назад +16

    I'm still baffled about the Switch on Android situation. Brutally bizarre and sad.

    • @pickleeggs3340
      @pickleeggs3340 3 года назад

      go donate then

    • @jnharton
      @jnharton 3 года назад

      Why not just buy a Switch then?

    • @Isaax
      @Isaax 3 года назад +5

      @@jnharton Why not just buy any of the consoles I'm trying to emulate then? Why emulate at all?

  • @JustinDoesntLookAt
    @JustinDoesntLookAt 3 года назад +34

    This video is the perfect example of why the steam deck is gonna be so goddamn awesome.

    • @rainbowagenda6261
      @rainbowagenda6261 3 года назад

      Steam Deck will outperform this across the board?

    • @sqwavee
      @sqwavee 3 года назад +1

      @@rainbowagenda6261 Absolutely, it will be able to run current gen PC games at 720p 60 (medium settings)

    • @bassram3337
      @bassram3337 3 года назад

      Steam Deck is not a mass product like smartphones

    • @rainbowagenda6261
      @rainbowagenda6261 3 года назад +1

      @@sqwavee I don't know much about computers but does that actually translate to better emulation capabilities too?
      It'd be crazy to get a handheld system that can emulate Dreamcast & PS2 through Wii U & Switch without a hitch.

    • @rainbowagenda6261
      @rainbowagenda6261 3 года назад

      @@bassram3337 Steam Deck is a mass-produced item like smartphones. It's just a potentially (probably) smaller batch but these are absolutely not being handmade or something lol

  • @supbrotv
    @supbrotv Год назад +2

    It seems crazy how they were able to emulate a current gen major game console on phones! I remember trying to run pcsx2 on a pentium 4 pc with a geforce 9800gt back in 2009 with absolute zero success.

  • @Shadowed007
    @Shadowed007 3 года назад +14

    There is never a peak , it's always improving ;)

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 3 года назад

      Moore's law bro. :) We will peak in CPUs by 2025, until we switch away from silicon.

    • @Shadowed007
      @Shadowed007 3 года назад +1

      @@thatguyalex2835 Very difficult, we are likely to get stuck with silicon since it's the most easiest and cheapest and the most well intergrated until photonic processors become a thing.

    • @adlibbed2138
      @adlibbed2138 3 года назад +1

      they're adapting, to their environment

  • @otimo144
    @otimo144 3 года назад +2

    Just getting started imo, we've seen this already in a slew of small laptops. My guess is that in a phone generation or 2 we are going to be playing tier 5 pretty easy.

  • @clochard4074
    @clochard4074 3 года назад +9

    People are overly optimistic. We'll likely see some improvement, but never a jump like what we have seen lately.
    When the arm architecture will be more common in computers then developers will be more interested.

  • @winstoncole6552
    @winstoncole6552 3 года назад +16

    When 3ds and PS2 emulation runs perfectly then I'll say Android emulation has peaked

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад +5

      3ds is already good on high end devices basically it's PS2 that definitely needs work no matter if you got the strongest Android that I believe I looked up there's a a 18GB RAM Android that's faster and on par than many gaming PCs and faster than the 16GB PS5 even has but even with a strong droid like that if the emulator doesn't work well with that game console yet then it won't matter how strong the Android or PC is

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 3 года назад +1

      Plus all the other ones that do work well can keep you more than enough busy for years with all the games before those two fully are working

    • @mohitgaming9863
      @mohitgaming9863 2 года назад

      Good news aethersx2 has peaked pur expectations and it's still in alpha

  • @gumbyx84
    @gumbyx84 3 года назад +4

    A great video on emulation on Android. This is great to share with those new to emulation.

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +2

      Glad you think so!

  • @YDINO69
    @YDINO69 3 года назад +2

    Great video. For PSP I would suggest testing the Midnight Club games, as they are quite demanding and people love them

  • @dennischen8887
    @dennischen8887 3 года назад +10

    I would say it pretty much peaked with 855/855+. I run those games on 855+ with similar frame rates as shown in this video with similar amount of lag for the demanding games shown.

  • @joaofarinha551
    @joaofarinha551 Год назад +1

    1 year later and PS2 works perfectly. I have a Oneplus 7t and a galaxy tab s6 lite. Both work well with the aethersx2 turnip. I have games ranging from: God of War, Jak 2 and 3, Star Was Battlefront, NHL Hitz and more. All work perfectly albeit some need adjustments to the there config

  • @ibelieveinjesusinmyspareti2861
    @ibelieveinjesusinmyspareti2861 3 года назад +4

    Things are just getting started, emulation on mobile can be called that way cause we have android, IOS is not emulation friendly and it will never be. Emulation on mobile will always be a thing and as long as Android exist it will improve.

    • @Archaoen0
      @Archaoen0 3 года назад +2

      Iphones have more power than android smartphones but actual performance doesn't change that much if you compare them side by side especially since apple doesn't really have much support for emulations and such

  • @Tech2C
    @Tech2C 3 года назад +8

    The Steam Deck might take over the handheld market. The value of it is just too compelling to pass up.

    • @Galohide
      @Galohide 3 года назад +6

      Nintendo has a monopoly on Handheld gaming and I can't see the Deck overtaking them. I hope it does well though.

    • @Mix_009
      @Mix_009 3 года назад +1

      @@Galohide id say we wait for what nintendo has for its next console. The steam deck will have a lot nore value than the current switch, but availability is probably going to hold down the steam deck for the first 2 years. Im also curious on how the steam deck will deal with hardware updates cause in the end it will be closer to a handheld computer than a console, if they go with the hardware upgrades every year or 2 years that could be a problem becoause one reason consoles work for so many years is not only because of exclusives, but also because game developers will make the game work on the console no matter what (look at the underpower switch). So i wanna see the optimization support on the steam deck as well

    • @matejamicic3037
      @matejamicic3037 2 года назад

      @@Mix_009 the next console will probbably be another variant of the nintendo switch they have been milking the switch for like 2 or 3 years,also steam deck is so much better it can play all the switch games as well as emualte basically any system and you are able to pirated games on it

  • @elimalinsky7069
    @elimalinsky7069 3 года назад +1

    I'm still amazed this is possible now on what is essentially a product of incremental evolution of mobile phones.

  • @friskydingooo7992
    @friskydingooo7992 3 года назад

    It hit its peak with the Samsung galaxy s9 in 2016 , snapdragon on that made it possible for all top tier emulation at this point it’s perfection

  • @boredandagitated
    @boredandagitated 3 года назад

    I’m glad you addressed cycle accurate SNES. That and cycle accurate GBA are what’s most important to me heh

  • @RGGeek
    @RGGeek 3 года назад +3

    Man, that BSNES running in widescreen looks epic. Any idea if that will run so smoothly on Odin Pro?

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +8

      I'll film BSNES

    • @RGGeek
      @RGGeek 3 года назад +1

      @@TakiUdon Thank you!!

    • @Mosestylez
      @Mosestylez 3 года назад

      Why is BSNES better than other cores/SNES emulator? :O

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +1

      @@Mosestylez it's the most accurate emulator and it takes a lot of processing power to run well.

    • @Mosestylez
      @Mosestylez 3 года назад

      @@TakiUdon I had no idea about that! Thank you, will look it up! :)

  • @terogamer345
    @terogamer345 3 года назад

    About your comment on FPS on Goldeneye, im pretty sure that FPS counter only means the game is running at full speed, not that its running at 60fps.

  • @1JLegend
    @1JLegend 3 года назад +1

    Software withstanding I wonder how well these games would run on the iPhone 13 pro max (hypothetically speaking of course) considering how powerful the A15 bionic is. Considering the power of the cpu and gpu I’m sure it could easily emulate ps3 and 360 games (thermal throttling withstanding).

  • @matcha6710
    @matcha6710 3 года назад +1

    Hearing Taki just say "shit" out of nowhere was jarring and funny, but accurate.

  • @az_almkhlal
    @az_almkhlal 3 года назад +1

    I always prefer portable gaming over PC or home consoles, I have a jailbroken Vita and NEW 3DS XL and Switch, I enjoy them all as a dedicated gaming systems, I am an android user and discovered a couple of months ago about the Switch emulator and I said to myself wow phones really getting powerful, So for the first time I tried all kinds of emulators all the way from NES to Switch, My thoughts are that emulation on a phone will never give you the same experience as the original hardware or an official port no matter how high you upscale the resolution, And the lack of physical buttons is annoying even if you buy a gamepad which elimanate the point of portablity, In conclusion I highly recommend you to buy a 3DS or Vita Switch.
    vita has alot of jrpgs and has some great PS2, PS3 ports and it can emulate up to N64+native PS1,PSP
    3DS has a huge library and alot of remakes and remasters and have almost every pokemon game exist also can emulate up to N64+native GB, GBC, GBA, DS.
    Switch has the best library of games out of these 3 and it can emulate everything except:Vita, PS3,PS4, XBOX, XBOX360, XBOX1, Wii U.

  • @LarryLopez91
    @LarryLopez91 2 года назад

    Hell, I hope not. We still have to work on input latency.
    RetroArch's run ahead feature helps a lot in this regard, but I'd like to see standalone emulators do something similar.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 3 года назад +1

    I love how NES and Famicom clones were everywhere back then.

  • @Alovon
    @Alovon 3 года назад +1

    I would say, someone may try to port RPCS3 to Android once the emulator on PC hits near-full compatibility.
    Which TBH is better.
    Although I don't know why anyone hasn't tried porting over Xenia, if Switch games can be emulated, there is no reason the 360 should be a problem, you can make an argument for the PS3 with CELL, but the 360 is notably weaker than the Switch.
    Hardware-wise, it should be able to run, it just needs the software (Like the Switch as we literally can tell how well the Switch is power-wise versus modern SoCs because the Switch uses a normal TX1)

  • @McGreish
    @McGreish 2 года назад +2

    Give it 5 years and there will probably be a fully running Wii U emulator.
    Is a good time to emulate but PS2 is too new. Maybe in two years it'll be worth it

    • @rxfqqq
      @rxfqqq 2 года назад +1

      give it few decades and mobile phone probably can run ps3 games already

    • @rxfqqq
      @rxfqqq 2 года назад

      And btw ps2 emulator already existed which is called "aethersx2" it is one of the smoothest ps2 emulator for mobile but Snapdragon 845 and above is recommended for better gameplay

  • @Joker____
    @Joker____ 3 года назад +3

    No only if it'll be able to emulate Xbox original & PS3 games

  • @sergestar4536
    @sergestar4536 3 года назад

    Yes for the most part for older consoles that is but for newer stuff I think it's still working besides the PS2

  • @H3llBaron
    @H3llBaron 3 года назад +3

    PS2 emulation: always and always god of war.. common

  • @TjazzSyn
    @TjazzSyn 2 года назад +3

    With Psvita & Better Ps2& switch emulation,I'm so glad that this video aged like milk

    • @LuisPerez-5
      @LuisPerez-5 Год назад

      How did it age like milk?

    • @KMog-py7co
      @KMog-py7co Год назад

      ​@@LuisPerez-5If you leave milk out, will it stay good or go bad?

  • @josephzamer5802
    @josephzamer5802 3 года назад +3

    Are the videos of TechUtopia channel about switch emulation true, or are garbage??, he showcase to much quality for what I believe its possible, for example Metroid Dread up to 60fps with SD 880

    • @gamerjuan4531
      @gamerjuan4531 3 года назад +3

      Metroid Dread is now 60fps in Switch emulator for android. And its not a joke. We have been diving and enjoying it for past couple of days now. It can run 60fps on SNAPDRAGON 865 and up. The emulation scene is very much alive.

    • @josephzamer5802
      @josephzamer5802 3 года назад

      @@gamerjuan4531 well I feel good to be wrong then

  • @thesuperzfamilyvlog6607
    @thesuperzfamilyvlog6607 3 года назад +1

    With the current state it looks a little bleak, but with Apple and it’s M1 chip, and AMD, Google, Samsung, microsoft, and nvidia all looking to making An ARM chip (I know Microsoft and Samsung already do), the future of ARM support looks pretty good to me!

    • @Yomachaser
      @Yomachaser 3 года назад +1

      Bleak?! How on Earth is the amount of gaming you can do on android emulation bleak?

  • @hartdr8074
    @hartdr8074 2 года назад

    Peak emulation is my Z Fold 3 with Gamesir Bluetooth. Runs everything at 60fps. PS2 PSP not to mention that the aspect ratio unfolded is 4:3 so all retro games look great without weird stretching.

  • @kennyplayer7731
    @kennyplayer7731 3 года назад

    This is just starting since android is getting very famous and powerful like windows and in my opinion the next emulator we are soon gonna get is the cemu emulator on android mainly because is the next close easy to emulate and we are gonna stop very hard there until we get a amd gpu like power in android devices…

  • @quoteman6283
    @quoteman6283 2 года назад +1

    Now new PS2 emulator has came named as aethersx2 it work smoothly with some settings on sd 665+ it is 40 fps on GTA SA god of war 2 god hand resident evil 4 etc

  • @joandarc441
    @joandarc441 3 года назад +3

    Now this is a certified hood classic

  • @dugtrioramen
    @dugtrioramen 3 года назад +1

    Hopefully snapdragon can really do something with the nuvia cores in development. Or Samsung can really do something with AMD GPUs. Either way, hardware looks promising. Idk about software

  • @airwolf558
    @airwolf558 2 года назад

    Hello taki! What clip did you use for your sn30 pro+ to clip to you phone?

  • @trevyn1016
    @trevyn1016 2 года назад +1

    The snapdragon 888 is a 1700 GFLOP chip trying to emulate a 500 GFLOP Nintendo Switch. The rule of thumb for emulators used to be "you need 10x the raw power of the hardware you are trying to emulate". The fact that they got BotW running properly (albeit at very low graphical fidelity) is a massive accomplishment. I think you are expecting way too much out of the snapdragon chip. The switch emulator devs seem to be doing great work imo.

    • @Sarrg
      @Sarrg 2 года назад +1

      From when is that rule of thumb? It made sense when hardware used to be very different from what was used in PCs since not only CPU had to be emulated but PPU and sound chips as well. These days they are either similar to Android phones (Switch) or PCs, also interpreter and virtualization techniques became much better over the years like recompilation to native instructions and JIT optimization. Since the Switch does have a ARM Architecture CPU, the code of Switch games can be kinda virtualized. This also explains why Switch emulation is possible when it takes a beefy PC to run it because you do emulate ARM to x86_64. And this sadly implies that Xbox or PS3 and beyond emulators may never be a thing for Android.

    • @trevyn1016
      @trevyn1016 2 года назад

      @@Sarrg That's why I said "used to be" the rule of thumb because it is easier now for sure. The point of my comment was moreso "look at how far we've come" as emulating current gen game consoles used to be unheard of. Thanks for the info on the porting/emulating though
      You can emulate Switch on an i3 1215U pretty well actually. And I mean with no dedicated GPU. Also snapdragon chips are pretty good at emulating PowerPC architecture like GameCube. PS3 and Xbox360 are definitely harder to emulate but they are PowerPC as well and not necessarily impossible.

  • @Aldiggy2000
    @Aldiggy2000 Год назад +1

    Got a Galaxy S21 Ultra with 16 gig of ram. I think the peak is Wii/3DS/PS2, I don't think our phones can hit PS3 yet

    • @Flyingboots1
      @Flyingboots1 Год назад

      A PS3 emulator for phones doesn't even exist yet anyway so it's a moot point.

  • @bankylaw3745
    @bankylaw3745 Год назад +1

    As an absolute layman emulation is so frustrating!! I've watched ton of these videos and all the jargon short hand and code names for processors,software and what not is like listening to someone speak another language.

    • @Flyingboots1
      @Flyingboots1 Год назад

      Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that it hasn't reached a celing.

    • @KMog-py7co
      @KMog-py7co Год назад +2

      Bro, I understood emulation when I was 13. You just need to be ready to learn.

  • @alexsebastian3981
    @alexsebastian3981 3 года назад +1

    Nintendo 64 games are not that heavy it can run on almost any android phone but when nintendo tells google play to protect their rights some games won't run properly it happen when i download a star wars racer game google play is installing codes for ROM games not play the way it should on our phones we need to protest against this 100 million of us all over the world

  • @iZacq
    @iZacq 3 года назад

    After we get the App from PlayStore, how do I get the Games for it & set it up❓
    need step by step instructions to setup on Android phone
    Please

  • @ngiotis1999
    @ngiotis1999 2 года назад

    i just bought the galaxy tab s7+ to use at work i streamed xbox games like grounded while on wifi at work i also streamed a steam game off my pc from home to my tablet at work with very minor hiccups

  • @mailman7
    @mailman7 3 года назад

    I really need to ask, why did you use tghe Citra MMJ emulator, I thought the "official" version from the Citra team is better?

  • @thursmornsunlight
    @thursmornsunlight 3 года назад +1

    I feel like I am being briefed in a military logistics mission. Awesome, you are always concise and the message gets across so easily.

  • @cloudstrife1983
    @cloudstrife1983 3 года назад

    7:55
    Some love for Timestalkers. Wow

  • @AllieRX
    @AllieRX 3 года назад +4

    I want an original Xbox emulator on Android.

    • @AO17
      @AO17 2 года назад

      This!

  • @capsule2015
    @capsule2015 2 года назад

    At the start of the video, are you using the Red Magic 6s Pro with the Saitake 7007F? How is that possible, when the phone's size is 6.8 inches, and the maximum size the controller can take is 6.3 inches? Or is some info wrong?

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  2 года назад

      It doesn't officially support that size, but you can force it to fit.

    • @capsule2015
      @capsule2015 2 года назад

      @@TakiUdon Really? Do you just have to push it, or do some disassembly? What's the max size that it can fit?

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  2 года назад

      @@capsule2015 loosen some screws on the middle part and force it into place. It's not for the faint of heart.

    • @capsule2015
      @capsule2015 2 года назад

      @@TakiUdon Thank you, never knew I could do this.

  • @slizzy6292
    @slizzy6292 2 года назад

    idk when ill get a new phone cause mine works fine. but i have a note 8 and it can run up to gamecube and 3ds, both are not great but playable for the most part. timesplitters 2 struggles a lot, idk if id call it playable, only in non demanding sections it runs at full speed

  • @moonlalune8003
    @moonlalune8003 2 года назад

    Taki, how did you configure dolphin for xenoblade, coz my red magic 6 pro still having a hard.time on that game, im using the dolphin emu from playstore

  • @blvckdunia7981
    @blvckdunia7981 3 года назад

    I got the exact same gamepad. The gamepad is good I've been using it for almost 2 yrs now. But i having lot of drift on the L/R analog. I try to clean it but still no luck. You can not find any analog that would fit this controller. I have try Nintendo switch analog but they are actually different from the inside.

  • @microlinux
    @microlinux 3 года назад

    Bsnes use mostly cpu. I've tried bsnes on rpi4 without issue with a bit of overvlock.

  • @S4_QUATTROPOWER
    @S4_QUATTROPOWER 2 года назад

    So is this due to Emulators need more tweaking, or its the actual hardware that is the issue? Because it amazes me that with all the technology and emulators out cannot run old school games.

  • @Enzed_
    @Enzed_ 3 года назад +2

    Emulation development should never stop. There's always room for improvement in the accuracy and the features

    • @Qce-i6d
      @Qce-i6d 3 года назад +2

      True that! And emulation is helping preserve digital cultural heritage.

  • @robmalcolm8042
    @robmalcolm8042 2 года назад

    Wow the iPhone 13 blows this phone away on performance particularly with GameCube. I use both platforms btw but have been digging deeper into the iPhones capabilities alongside having almost 1000 points higher of a single core and multi core from even the fastest android. It’s wierd since there’s no 3ds on iOS or aethersx2 only play which sucks but surprisingly also runs more decent than it does on android. Rogue squadron 2 runs at 60 mostly at 1080p dipping down maybe to mid 50s at most with explosions. Here it seems to struggle alot going as low as 7fps I noticed and this is a powerful android phone with way more ram than even a 4gb ram iPhone. I have to say those a chips are definitely something else and for what it is can emulate well

  • @Jes9119
    @Jes9119 2 года назад

    I doubt it's peaked but it seems like it's getting close, I feel like the focus needs to move toward getting better emulators and roms for the newer consoles like 360, PS3, Wii U and Switch(it exists but getting the roms for it is way too sketchy).

  • @zbow1974
    @zbow1974 2 года назад

    is the Qualcomm SM4350 Snapdragon 480 5G any good for emulation?

  • @mangentong7410
    @mangentong7410 3 года назад

    i think most of tier 4 and tier 5 need optimization first over compability on android
    My phone ( redmi note 3 snapdragon 650 custom firmware ) still can run some Gamecube and 3DS game

  • @bryantnonya8704
    @bryantnonya8704 3 года назад

    All emulation suffers from compilation stutters, it's an artifact from the conversion of system instruction sets...

  • @big-zplayz3736
    @big-zplayz3736 3 года назад

    Thanks for the emulation review

  • @Wardi484
    @Wardi484 3 года назад

    Will you be covering emulation on the surface duo 2?

    • @Yomachaser
      @Yomachaser 3 года назад

      It's an android device using a snapdragon 888 theirs loads of reference video of that chip playing games quite well.

    • @Wardi484
      @Wardi484 3 года назад

      @@Yomachaser yeah I have no doubts about performance I was actually thinking of the dual screen experience

  • @patiencezero1025
    @patiencezero1025 3 года назад

    Yeah, that Super Mario World hack looked great in 1080

  • @celticcomradelad1850
    @celticcomradelad1850 3 года назад

    I use my Android to emulate PSP and Nintendo DS games. I also use a spare PS4 to emulate Playstation 2 and a small collection of Steam games. Tried to emulate ps2 and even n64 games on my phone but it just wasn't happening.

  • @MrBob2k99
    @MrBob2k99 3 года назад

    Wonder how Steam Deck might affect future emulation. Such as if everyone just moves here instead

  • @donovanlewis6708
    @donovanlewis6708 3 года назад

    Just a small question if anyone can ask but how do the 3ds Pokémon games run? I don’t see too much film on it so I’m not sure if it is too demanding or if it’s smooth.

  • @moverdome
    @moverdome 3 года назад

    i estimate at least 7yrs before we can play smooth on the switch. if i had the cash i would totally support the devs. some people might think that if i would pay for the devs i should pay for the switch in the first place, but i have a different thinking. if i put in a good amount of money for the devs, i can quite possibly play all or nearly all games the switch has on my phone. i'd say it's a worthy investment.

  • @HuntaKiller91
    @HuntaKiller91 3 года назад

    Im ok with playing emu in 2X or even 3X
    HD res is already way better than the intended native game res😃
    Good thing most tablet with mali g52 and above is capable enough

  • @deadtheories4170
    @deadtheories4170 3 года назад

    Peaked? It's just getting started. It's about to pick up the pace with PS2 3DS and Switch emulation

  • @johnsantillan2162
    @johnsantillan2162 3 года назад

    Whats the name of the controller and where did you bought it?

  • @vherostar
    @vherostar 3 года назад

    Problem i have at 3 minutes is you say at least until AMD gpus are used in ARM chips. Thats not gonna happen with nVidia buying ARM. Other than that interesting video.

  • @kenoty7769
    @kenoty7769 3 года назад

    How did you get BSNES on Android and the how to run super Mario wide screen hacked?

  • @fzz6716
    @fzz6716 2 года назад

    I ran resident Veronica x on my 3 year old snapdragon 845 phone. It ran fine.

  • @slikdarelic
    @slikdarelic 2 года назад +1

    AetherSX2 that runs the PS2 emulator shows that the devs can still get the best out of the current android OS.. i am aware that this video was posted b4 it officially dropped.

  • @homanovsky
    @homanovsky 3 года назад +1

    Dear taki, why aren't you reviewing emulation on handhelds? some of them like Vita has amazing emulation and hombrew scene, also financially more reasonable than retro systems like anbinic or power kiddy. Also New 2DS XL is great!

    • @TakiUdon
      @TakiUdon  3 года назад +4

      Before the current generation, those were good options due to their price and what they could emulate, but now the cost has gone down and your dollar doesn't go as far emulating on a first-party device. 😔

    • @jnharton
      @jnharton 3 года назад

      It's not really fair to compare the pricing of an old, discontinued product to something new and in production.

  • @Trekeyus
    @Trekeyus 3 года назад +1

    With the launch of aethersx2 ps2 is actually playable